Session Start: Wed Dec 18 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
[00:00] <humvee> the karmasutra?
[00:00] <AstralBlaze2012> Yes, we are galatic souls.
[00:00] <inkpen> eirily similar
[00:00] <humvee> I am interested in galactic positions
[00:00] <inkpen> barbara brennon stuff
[00:00] <inkpen> not brennon
[00:01] <inkpen> marciniak
[00:01] <humvee> ayn rand i think
[00:01] <AstralBlaze2012> From the page, it said my soul's original origin is a Maldeck
[00:01] <AstralBlaze2012> that was blown up...
[00:01] <humvee> who is john gault?
[00:01] <AstralBlaze2012> lol.
[00:02] <humvee> bizzaro!
[00:02] <inkpen> hmmm
[00:02] <AstralBlaze2012> John?
[00:02] <AstralBlaze2012> I know a few Johns...
[00:02] <humvee> conseko just went belly up today another one down
[00:02] <AstralBlaze2012> but not Mr. Gault.
[00:03] <walt> Johm Galt
[00:03] <humvee> dow down to 3000 by febuary i think
[00:03] <AstralBlaze2012> Okay, sorry.
[00:03] <AstralBlaze2012> Humvee saud "who is john gault."
[00:03] <AstralBlaze2012> said*
[00:04] <humvee> john gault is the hero of the novel atlas shrugged
[00:04] <walt> Its a phrase from Ayn Rands book "Atlas Shrugged"
[00:04] <AstralBlaze2012> Walk said "Johm Galt."
[00:04] <humvee> one who is service toself and proud of it
[00:04] <AstralBlaze2012> So, it's spelled "John Gault?"
[00:04] <AstralBlaze2012> ok.
[00:04] <humvee> yes
[00:05] <AstralBlaze2012> ok, sorry.
[00:05] <AstralBlaze2012> I never heard of him.
[00:05] <humvee> the theory that people who build things actually contribute much to society
[00:05] <AstralBlaze2012> I think I heard of Atlas, the novel.
[00:05] <walt> No its spelled Galt
[00:05] <AstralBlaze2012> humvee said...lol
[00:05] <walt> Ive got my copy of AS roght here
[00:06] <AstralBlaze2012> ohhh.
[00:06] <humvee> 1084 pages read it when I was a sophamore in H/School did much to make me think
[00:06] <AstralBlaze2012> My teacher suggested us to read that book
[00:06] <walt> I liked her book "ANTHEM"
[00:06] <AstralBlaze2012> he also gave us some other title
[00:06] <walt> Long read
[00:06] <AstralBlaze2012> titles*
[00:07] <walt> "fountain Head"
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[00:07] <AstralBlaze2012> ... but i didnt read any of them. I'll probably read them if i have time.
[00:07] <humvee> I ended up reading everything that she (ayn Rand) wrote
[00:07] <AstralBlaze2012> That novel sounds interesting. . . I might borrow it from the library.
[00:07] <AstralBlaze2012> I hope it isn't a banned book here. ;)
[00:08] <humvee> then her understydy Nathaniel Brandon "the philosophy of self esteam"
[00:08] <AstralBlaze2012> Is it something about self-respect?
[00:08] <humvee> it is mostly about surviving the onslaught of do gooders
[00:08] <AstralBlaze2012> Again, I never heard of her nor that philosophy.
[00:09] <AstralBlaze2012> ok.
[00:09] <humvee> a good book to read in the aftertime
[00:09] <inkpen> damn gooders doing good to me bah!
[00:09] <humvee> bah humbug
[00:09] <inkpen> lol
[00:09] <inkpen> tis the season
[00:10] <humvee> ur jolly?
[00:10] <AstralBlaze2012> Ho - HO - HOO!
[00:10] <humvee> gay use to mean happy
[00:10] <AstralBlaze2012> I see.
[00:10] <inkpen> i need to buy me some christmas cheer soon...im getting anxious :)
[00:10] <humvee> I never drive on major holidays
[00:11] <inkpen> lol
[00:11] <inkpen> desastorous
[00:11] <AstralBlaze2012> Did anyone of you guys live through the 60's?
[00:11] <inkpen> nope
[00:11] <humvee> the police here stop everybody and check for everything so no getting anywhere soon only 1 road around the island
[00:11] <inkpen> u?
[00:11] <AstralBlaze2012> nope.
[00:12] <AstralBlaze2012> What about the 70's, anyone?
[00:12] <inkpen> dang
[00:12] <humvee> I muddled through why?
[00:12] <inkpen> nope :)
[00:12] <AstralBlaze2012> what about the 80's? c'mon.
[00:12] <humvee> I was in the coast guard in the 60s
[00:12] <AstralBlaze2012> I'm curious about those times, cuz I'm just 15.
[00:12] <inkpen> i survide the 80s!
[00:12] <AstralBlaze2012> lol
[00:12] <inkpen> damn sp
[00:12] <inkpen> wow
[00:13] <AstralBlaze2012> how was the 60's...and the 80's?
[00:13] <humvee> poeple wouls stop and talk with u then
[00:13] <inkpen> youngest yet
[00:13] <inkpen> me thinks
[00:13] <inkpen> what  country you in astral?
[00:13] <AstralBlaze2012> US
[00:13] <humvee> u could just meet someone anywherer and do things without fear being the major thing
[00:13] <inkpen> kewl
[00:13] <AstralBlaze2012> heh
[00:14] <AstralBlaze2012> ty
[00:14] <AstralBlaze2012> I guess
[00:14] <inkpen> feer is the mind killer
[00:14] <humvee> love is the thing
[00:14] <humvee> the rules were a bit relaxed in the 60s
[00:14] <AstralBlaze2012> i c.
[00:15] <inkpen> yep and not just any sort of love
[00:15] <humvee> in the 70s people were looking for alternate energy solutions
[00:15] <inkpen> not the kewl kind any way :)
[00:15] <AstralBlaze2012> oh
[00:15] <humvee> in the 80s people bought reaLESTATE AND SOLD IT FOR A LOT MORE
[00:16] <inkpen> buy low sell high
[00:16] <AstralBlaze2012> lol
[00:16] <humvee> in the 90s gen x came to see px
[00:16] <AstralBlaze2012> i c.
[00:16] <humvee> we will all see soon
[00:16] <inkpen> is that recent history in a nut shell?
[00:16] <walt> or not
[00:16] <humvee> I am going to go fishing more
[00:17] <walt> Like I said Im still undecided
[00:17] <AstralBlaze2012> thx for the info.
[00:17] <inkpen> heh
[00:17] <AstralBlaze2012> I'm a curious person.
[00:17] <humvee> we dont have to decide - only wait a few weeks and see what really IS
[00:17] <walt> yep
[00:18] <humvee> im curious yellow
[00:18] <inkpen> youve read zt right astrol?
[00:18] <inkpen> o=a
[00:18] <AstralBlaze2012> nope.
[00:18] <humvee> I almost want px to come because of all the flack ive taken telling other poeple
[00:19] <inkpen> www.zetatalk.com
[00:19] <AstralBlaze2012> Oh, lol. Yeah.
[00:19] <inkpen> i suggest you read it
[00:19] <AstralBlaze2012> It's sweet.
[00:19] <inkpen> oh
[00:19] <inkpen> heh
[00:19] <inkpen> mb
[00:19] <AstralBlaze2012> I only read a little of it; I was bz.
[00:19] <inkpen> my slang suks
[00:19] <AstralBlaze2012> mb=my bad?
[00:19] <AstralBlaze2012> ok
[00:19] <inkpen> yes
[00:19] <AstralBlaze2012> ha, I figured.
[00:20] <humvee> a/t=aftertime
[00:20] <AstralBlaze2012> w/e=whatever
[00:20] <AstralBlaze2012> ha
[00:20] <inkpen> lmao
[00:20] <inkpen> =laghs my ass off
[00:20] <AstralBlaze2012> yeah, I know.
[00:20] <inkpen> plus 1 u
[00:21] <humvee> I thought to make a pin to where with a flaming red dwarf planet and the words aftertime committe on it
[00:21] <AstralBlaze2012> roflmao= Rolling on floor, laughing my ass off.
[00:21] <inkpen> good idea humvee id buy one on the spot :)
[00:21] <inkpen> heh
[00:21] <AstralBlaze2012> I've been chatting to teenagers... and a lot of them use slangs.
[00:21] <AstralBlaze2012> Besides, I'm a teenager.
[00:22] <humvee> interesting in the a/t every church on this island will be 500' under water
[00:22] <inkpen> heh every age catagory uses slang nowadays
[00:22] <AstralBlaze2012> Yeah.
[00:22] <AstralBlaze2012> Does "swell" mean "cool?"
[00:22] <inkpen> and the moral of the story is dont go to church?
[00:22] <humvee> age does not exist only the present moment
[00:22] <AstralBlaze2012> yes, makes sense.
[00:23] <humvee> no if ur holy bring ur scuba gear
[00:23] <inkpen> lol
[00:24] <humvee> on the top of the hill there is one hydro plant so some hope of power and running water
[00:24] <walt> dont bet on it HUM
[00:24] <humvee> I need a vacation which should be automatic during the rain in the a/t
[00:24] <walt> depends on who survives and what survives
[00:25] <humvee> I am giong to do a spare parts survey
[00:25] <inkpen> you need a vacation? id kill to live where u are
[00:26] <inkpen> oh in th a/t
[00:26] <humvee> a small auto generator with a built in regulator (chevy 80s) could come in very handy to power and recharge batteries
[00:26] <inkpen> dang im of my pins today, brb
[00:26] <humvee> well come on down !
[00:27] <walt> you have any idea on how to run a hydro plant?
[00:27] <AstralBlaze2012> nope
[00:27] <humvee> yes I can fix most things it is what i do
[00:27] <walt> ok
[00:27] <humvee> I am painting all my tools and sorting
[00:28] <humvee> if anyone is interested Kauai will bew on the new equator
[00:28] <humvee> no volcanos to speakso and good sailing and fishing
[00:29] <walt> got any diagrams/site that show the new equator?
[00:29] <humvee> yes on zetatalk plenty of information
[00:29] <AstralBlaze2012> what? new equator?
[00:29] <AstralBlaze2012> ok, I'm back.
[00:29] <walt> havent seen the maps yet
[00:30] <humvee> on the opening page click on safe locations then under islands
[00:30] <AstralBlaze2012> i c, earth will be going into a lot of changes....
[00:30] <AstralBlaze2012> thx
[00:30] <humvee> the crust will move 90 degrees
[00:30] <AstralBlaze2012> wow
[00:30] <AstralBlaze2012> ok
[00:31] <AstralBlaze2012> damn . . .
[00:31] <AstralBlaze2012> dang*
[00:31] <humvee> antartica will be on the new equator
[00:31] <AstralBlaze2012> then we can travel between our old dimension and new dimension?
[00:32] <humvee> when all the ice melts in 2 years the buildings and towns under the ice will become visible and able to be reused
[00:32] <walt> well I guess Im in a safe zone
[00:32] <walt> or at least near it
[00:32] <humvee> where is that
[00:32] <AstralBlaze2012> man... imagine Atlantis . . .
[00:33] <AstralBlaze2012> I can't get this CD burned... damn it.
[00:33] <humvee> the atlantians were not so much an advanced civilization as a people ruled by the giants from the px who brought technology
[00:33] <AstralBlaze2012> I used a software... still no luck. Something about shortcuts; I'll be staying for a while.
[00:34] <AstralBlaze2012> giants?
[00:34] <AstralBlaze2012> ok.
[00:35] <AstralBlaze2012> g2g no
[00:35] <AstralBlaze2012> now*
[00:35] <AstralBlaze2012> cya, peeps
[00:35] <AstralBlaze2012> peeps=people
[00:35] <AstralBlaze2012> bye
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[00:39] <humvee> signoff 2
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[00:43] <inkpen> well im too late, meh
[00:43] <inkpen> any one else awake?
[00:47] <RNTHOMAS> Nope... We're all asleep...
[00:49] <inkpen> heh
[00:50] <inkpen> cat: jNC     
[00:50] <inkpen> THAT WAS THE CAT
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[03:01] * Topic is 'Preparation for MAY2003 POLESHIFT & AFTERTIME, for those familiar with and serious about ZetaTalk (newcomers please read www.ZetaTalk.com for answers to basic questions). For debate about the validity of ZetaTalk go to #troubled_times.'
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[04:46] <Chesei> Urp.
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[04:58] * Chesei waves a little. o-o
[05:00] <Zetapal> Hi Chesei
[05:03] <Chesei> Hi hi.
[05:05] <Zetapal> Haven't seen you here before, are you into poleshift theory and zetatalk?
[05:05] <Chesei> Mhm. Actually, it's a bit of a problem, why I'm here, but I suppose I shouldn't get into it. ^^;
[05:05] <Zetapal> ok
[05:06] <Chesei> It'd probably make people "get angry" at me again. Sigh. x.x
[05:07] * Chesei shrugs, "But yes, quite interested."
[05:08] <Zetapal> :) sounds like you got grilled - I've seen it happen before especially with newbies - sometimes they almost seem to get interrogated when they first come here - I don't do that
[05:08] <Chesei> Err, not here, but...well...all over Earth in general. ^^; Eheh.
[05:10] <Zetapal> well did you get a chance to listen to Nancy Letder's most recent interview on the Art Bell radio show?
[05:10] <Chesei> Er, no.
[05:11] * Chesei grins. She's never listened to Art Bell. Someone she used to know did. *shrug*
[05:12] <Zetapal> well if your DCC is working, and if you would like, I can send you the show in the form of an .mp3 file
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[05:13] * Chesei is just kindof here because Nancy's email box has been full and undelieverable for almost a month, and, well, then here she is, on the off-Hope. She was hoping that *maybe* not every human on the planet liked to call her names and throw things at her, but eh. ^^; *shrug*
[05:13] <Chesei> Er, sure, that'd be just peachy.
[05:14] <QueenVee> hello Chesei
[05:14] <Chesei> Hullo QueenVee. ^.^
[05:15] <QueenVee> so, what brings you to this room, chesei?
[05:16] <Chesei> Well, actually, what I just said at 05:11:47 puts it in a marginally concise manner. :}
[05:16] <QueenVee> well, honey, i just entered the room so i didn't see that particular post
[05:16] <Chesei> Oh. Shall I repeat it then? ^^;
[05:17] <Zetapal> I think you will like it if you find zetatalk interesting and have never heard her interviewed before - OK there are three files, each about 20 meg - do you have space for that?
[05:17] <QueenVee> hi zetapal: just stopping in before going to work?
[05:17] <Chesei> Mhm.
[05:17] <Chesei> Quite a lot of space available, and a fast connection. Eheh. ^^
[05:17] <Zetapal> hi Queen - wasn't here yesterday cause my connection was down for a day
[05:17] <QueenVee> we missed you
[05:18] <Zetapal> ok Chesei here it comes:
[05:18] <Chesei> Wai! ;}
[05:18] <Chesei> QV: So, er, should I repeat it, or just be quiet? ^-^
[05:18] <QueenVee> repeat, please
[05:19] <Zetapal> thx Queen
[05:19] <Chesei> Mmkay.
[05:19] <QueenVee> everyone kept asking me, where's zetapal?
[05:19] * Chesei is just kindof here because Nancy's email box has been full and undelieverable for almost a month, and, well, then here she is, on the off-Hope. She was hoping that *maybe* not every human on the planet liked to call her names and throw things at her, but eh. ^^; *shrug*
[05:19] <QueenVee> i said, gee, i guess he's entitled to a day off now and then....
[05:19] <Chesei> There. :o
[05:20] <QueenVee> so you're just here hoping to run into nancy?
[05:21] <Chesei> Er, something like that. *shrug* It's a slightly sensitive matter, considering how many people have tried to kill me because of it, but mmkays. ^^;
[05:21] <QueenVee> people have tried to kill you because of what?
[05:21] <Chesei> The matter, the idea. *shrug* x.o
[05:22] <Zetapal> good news - as you know the Art Bell website will be closing at the end of the month, and I was glad,so glad, to see that Art played a rebroadcast of his interview with Malachi Martin back in 96 - this is one of the best Art interviews of all time - and yes it IS poleshift related, in fact He was one of the first I ecer heard to predict it - he was ( now deceased) a catholic priest, one you can tell from his delivery is a s
[05:22] <QueenVee> and how have they tried to kill you?
[05:22] <QueenVee> zetapal: was that last night?
[05:22] * Chesei erms, "Many different ways, over the years. Why?"
[05:23] <QueenVee> well, chesei, someone announces that people have tried to kill her, one is bound to be curious about it
[05:23] <QueenVee> so how long have you been aware of the poleshift and zetatalk?
[05:23] <Chesei> Hum, a few months about ZetaTalk, though I've known about the PoleShift for quite some time.
[05:24] <QueenVee> from what source?
[05:24] <Zetapal> a high ranking priest for years had many audiences with the pope and one of the few to ever see the third secret of fatima - which in this interview you will here is such a dire prediction and almost a direct prediction of poleshift cataclysm - I say all this because i am downloading it now and should have it available tonight
[05:24] <Zetapal> yes from lastnight
[05:24] <Chesei> No particular source. I just knew. *shrug*
[05:25] <QueenVee> very cool zp. i really want to hear that. i know all about him, but have never heard him interviewed.
[05:25] <QueenVee> Chesei: so what are you doing to prepare for the poleshift? what part of the world do you live in?
[05:25] <Chesei> The United States. I'm not doing anything to prepare. *sigh*
[05:26] <QueenVee> why not?
[05:27] <Zetapal> Queen - trust me you will love it - will send shivers up your spine - one of the best - a must have
[05:27] <Chesei> Well, I have no money, and even if it did, the matter concerning me at the moment precludes self-preservation relating to that. If I haven't been able to make any more progress by then, it won't matter where I am, or how I prepare. ^^;
[05:27] <QueenVee> Well, chesei, this is a chat room for people who are preparing for the poleshift....
[05:28] <Chesei> Er, so you want me to leave because I don't have the means to prepare regardless? Should've figured. *sigh*
[05:29] <QueenVee> no, i'm letting you know this is a chatroom for people who wish to discuss preparation, not just people hoping to run into nancy
[05:30] <QueenVee> nancy is only here for one hour each saturday to do zetatalk, otherwise never comes here
[05:30] * Chesei sighs, "Great."
[05:30] <QueenVee> if you don't care about preparing, why do you need to talk to nancy?
[05:31] <QueenVee> something i'm curious about, why do you pretend to be a female when you're real name is "Jared"?
[05:31] <Chesei> ?
[05:32] <QueenVee> Jared Goldberg
[05:32] <Chesei> Um?
[05:32] <QueenVee> Um?
[05:32] <QueenVee> is this entertainment for you?
[05:32] * Chesei blinks. o.0
[05:33] <Chesei> What does one and the other have to do anything, what business is it of yours, additionally, and that's not very nice to assume that I'm not female, and I'm on some sort of a joke. o.0
[05:33] * Chesei boggles.
[05:34] <QueenVee> i'm not assuming anything, i'm asking you a direct question -- which you are avoiding -- which makes me suspicious
[05:34] <Chesei> What question? And what the hell are you suspicious about? ;(
[05:35] <QueenVee> there are a lot of people who like to come here and fool around, and we try to restrict the channel to people who are seirous and straight forward
[05:35] <QueenVee> you appear to be neither
[05:35] <Chesei> I'm quite serious, and I'm not being "straightforward" for *this* very reason. x.x
[05:36] <QueenVee> cute, Jared
[05:36] <QueenVee> go play somewhere else
[05:36] <Chesei> Don't call me that, damnit.
[05:36] <QueenVee> why not, it's your name
[05:37] <Chesei> And what does my name have to do with *ANYTHING*?
[05:37] <QueenVee> you came here looking for nancy; we have told you she is not here andthat you won't find her here. so why are you still here?
[05:37] <QueenVee> people with grandiose fantasies about being persecuted for their beliefs irritate the hell out of me
[05:38] <Chesei> It's not grandiose, and it's not fantasy. *sigh*
[05:38] <QueenVee> right
[05:38] <QueenVee> whatever
[05:38] <Chesei> I don't want to tell you, or people like you, because...gee...could it be that I take a lot of flak, from people like you, about things like this?
[05:39] <QueenVee> again, you came here looking for nancy, not to discuss preparation -- so why are you still here?
[05:39] <QueenVee> what are you looking for here?
[05:39] <Chesei> Again, why are you being hostile?
[05:40] <QueenVee> other than trotting out your persecution fantasy
[05:40] <QueenVee> chesei: cause you are very irritating, Chesei, and clearly not here for the purpose of this chat room
[05:40] <Chesei> Ugh, be quiet, please? If you're going to be a complete and utter bigot, just be quiet, don't talk to me, please?
[05:41] <QueenVee> Chesei: please answer my questions or you're gone
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[05:41] * Chesei was kicked by QueenVee (buh bye)
[05:42] <QueenVee> it's really too early in the morning for this
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[05:42] <QueenVee> Chesei: are you going to make me ban you?
[05:43] <QueenVee> mmmmm, apparently so....
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[05:43] <QueenVee> we're getting so many nutbars in here lately
[05:44] <Zetapal> I guess it can't be helped
[05:45] <QueenVee> it's going to happen more and more, and i've decided to have zero tolerance for it
[05:47] <QueenVee> are ya working today, zp?
[05:48] <Zetapal> I was supposed to meet an associate at the office and we were gonna go do a job but he didn't show up, I waited 30 minutes for him and then left, perhaps it was canceled, its not like him
[05:48] <QueenVee> oy
[05:48] <QueenVee> does he answer his phone?
[05:50] <tex-away> Zetapal: do you do inventory work
[05:51] <tex-away> QueenVee: see what happens when you get up early
[05:51] <Zetapal> yes maam
[05:51] <QueenVee> lol
[05:51] <Zetapal> tell me about it, I was up at 5 am
[05:52] <QueenVee> my dog got me up at 6:30, we've already been out for a long walk....
[05:52] <tex-away> Zetapal: for someone like RGIS or a local company
[05:52] <Zetapal> Queen, I disconnected MY phone about a year ago
[05:52] <Zetapal> yes tex - I am with RGIS - exactly
[05:52] <QueenVee> really? not even an answering machine?
[05:53] <tex-away>  Zetapal: cool
[05:53] * tex-away is off to work now
[05:53] <QueenVee> see ya later tex
[05:53] <Zetapal> nope - but i can call out if I need to - I
[05:54] <QueenVee> mmmm, and i thought I had fear of phone
[05:54] <QueenVee> i also have fear of mail
[05:55] <Zetapal> I initiall tried it to see if I could get by without it as it was 30 dollars a month to only get called by my boss and asked to change my plans so i could work- so far its been manageable
[05:55] <Zetapal> I don't even give my boss my email - I say I don't have one
[05:55] <Zetapal> that way she has to stick to the schedule she gives me
[05:55] <QueenVee> so it's a way of forcing people to be more respectful of your time
[05:55] <QueenVee> very clever
[05:55] <Zetapal> yup exactly
[05:56] <QueenVee> i'm impressed
[05:56] <Zetapal> pleading poverty
[05:58] <Zetapal> yeah the last thing I want is my boss e-mailing me with schedule changes
[06:00] <Zetapal> lol - also not having a phone helped get me out of jury duty a couple months ago
[06:00] <QueenVee> right on
[06:01] <QueenVee> well, i use the "be accessible but not available" technique...
[06:02] <QueenVee> there are a lot of ways that people can leave messages for me, but i let people know that i check those messages rather erratically and cannot be counted on to respond promptly....
[06:02] <Zetapal> yeah I was quite proud of that - in the response form I listed -no phone, a bunch of days that i wouldn't be available and to finish it off I put a nice big grease stain in the upper right hand quarter of the form  - lol
[06:02] <QueenVee> a
[06:02] <QueenVee> ha
[06:03] <Zetapal> the person handling the letter probably thought "oh my god, is this a biological hazard?"
[06:03] <Zetapal> lol
[06:03] <QueenVee> yeah, keep this guy away from me...
[06:03] <Zetapal> right
[06:04] <QueenVee> probably one of those whackos who hasn't left his house in 10 years
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[08:04] * Topic is 'Preparation for MAY2003 POLESHIFT & AFTERTIME, for those familiar with and serious about ZetaTalk (newcomers please read www.ZetaTalk.com for answers to basic questions). For debate about the validity of ZetaTalk go to #troubled_times.'
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[08:24] <Dsarith> Hi All!
[08:29] <tex-at-work> hi
[08:30] <tex-at-work> how are you today
[08:30] <Dsarith> Good and you?
[08:31] <tex-at-work> very good
[08:31] <Dsarith> Does anyone every sleep here :-)
[08:31] <tex-at-work> very little
[08:32] <tex-at-work> you've been here once before haven't you
[08:32] <Dsarith> Yes, I took the channel over yesterday and asked a bunch of questions. I think that is why everyone is staying quiet... Hoping I will go away :-)
[08:33] <tex-at-work> lol not.. most everyone here now is away from their machines
[08:33] <tex-at-work> where are you from
[08:33] <Dsarith> Dallas Texas
[08:33] <Dsarith> And you?
[08:33] <tex-at-work> oh yes i remember now
[08:34] <tex-at-work> abilene
[08:34] <tex-at-work> tx
[08:34] <tex-at-work> about 150 miles west of you
[08:34] <Dsarith> Well, you will be underwater too ... bummer
[08:34] <Dsarith> I have been to Abilene many times
[08:34] <tex-at-work> we are alot higher here
[08:34] <tex-at-work> about 1900 ft
[08:34] <Dsarith> Cool
[08:35] <Dsarith> Its has been in 60 to 70s in Dallas.
[08:35] <Dsarith> I am so sure in the middle of winter
[08:35] <tex-at-work> yes great isn't it
[08:35] <Dsarith> Yep :-)
[08:36] <Dsarith> When did you first know about Planet X
[08:36] <tex-at-work> i'm going to enjoy this weather while it lasts
[08:37] <Dsarith> Me too
[08:37] <tex-at-work> i began studing it several years ago
[08:37] * Jurian is now known as JurAFK
[08:37] <Dsarith> It is suppose to turn next week
[08:38] <Dsarith> Why does Jurian turn to JurAFK. Is it a pokemon thing
[08:38] <tex-at-work> in a nut shell remind me of what thoughts you were expressing about all of this yesterday
[08:38] <tex-at-work> afk = away from keyboard
[08:39] <Dsarith> Oh.. I thought it was just a name change Duh!!
[08:40] <tex-at-work> no telling us he is away for a bit
[08:40] <tex-at-work> time for lunch here... i'll be back later
[08:40] <Dsarith> k
[08:40] <Dsarith> :-)
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[09:26] <Dsarith> Hi RNTHOMAS
[09:26] <RNTHOMAS> Howdy...  or should I say mornin.
[09:26] <Dsarith> Since I came from A&M University.. Howdy is perfect!
[09:27] <Dsarith> lol
[09:27] <RNTHOMAS> What university is that?
[09:28] <RNTHOMAS> Well for me it's 'morning'...
[09:28] <Dsarith> It is a big University in Texas and everyone makes fun of the Aggies. Howdy is how we greet everyone... lol
[09:28] <Dsarith> Then I say Morning :-)
[09:30] <RNTHOMAS> It's about 9:30 AM here... Yawn...
[09:34] <RNTHOMAS> Where bouts in texas, what city?
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[09:37] <RNTHOMAS> Yawn... Mornin tex...
[09:37] <tex-at-work> mornin RN
[09:38] <tex-at-work> 10
[09:38] <tex-at-work> wrong window.... sorry
[09:38] <RNTHOMAS> 11011?
[09:39] <Dsarith> It is 11:30 here in Dallas, TX
[09:39] <tex-at-work> same here Dsarith
[09:39] <Dsarith> You are back
[09:39] <Dsarith> How was lunch
[09:40] <RNTHOMAS> Gettin close to lunch for you guys...   Well I was up most of the night hackin on pX images...
[09:40] <tex-at-work> good
[09:40] <Dsarith> And what did you find
[09:40] <RNTHOMAS> Still just learnin the roaps...
[09:40] <tex-at-work> fits file are a whole other world
[09:40] <Dsarith> My be a little slow responding on call that requires my attention kind of :-)
[09:40] <RNTHOMAS> Well the Dec 13th images are in bad shape..
[09:41] <RNTHOMAS> Mis registered...
[09:41] <Dsarith> I am still trying to understand something about the images and the night sky
[09:42] <Dsarith> Why would the planet not be brilliant in the night sky, being this close to earth by now
[09:42] <tex-at-work> it's not close at all
[09:42] <Dsarith> I think that is what I am missing
[09:42] <Dsarith> How can it cross our path in 6 months and not be close?
[09:42] <tex-at-work> but coming in very fast
[09:43] <Dsarith> Does it speed up as it approaches
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[09:43] <tex-at-work> yes
[09:43] <tex-at-work> hi monk
[09:43] <monk> hi
[09:44] <Dsarith> Hi Monk
[09:44] <Dsarith> BRB
[09:44] <tex-at-work> are you getting a break in the weather today monk
[09:44] <monk> whats going on
[09:44] <monk> yes its sunny today
[09:44] <monk> but its suppose to come back tomarrow I think
[09:45] <tex-at-work> well enjoy it while you can
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[09:45] <monk> just got done doing some cleaning
[09:45] <monk> outside
[09:45] <tex-at-work> good
[09:46] <monk> hi tied2
[09:46] <tied2> hello monk
[09:46] <tex-at-work> what are you doning hiding down there on the bottom of the list tied
[09:48] <tex-at-work> tied2 are you doing good today?
[09:48] <tied2> he he tring to keep a low profile
[09:49] <tied2> good as can be expected I suppose
[09:50] <tex-at-work> You know I keep thinking we should have more people talking about this by now
[09:51] <monk> alot of people come here
[09:51] <tex-at-work> only a  couple of hundred
[09:52] <tex-at-work> and less than 50 that come very often
[09:53] <monk> well this channel is only if you believe in the poleshift in 2003 alot of people are curious that get baned
[09:54] <tex-at-work> true that
[09:56] <monk> oh well
[09:56] <tex-at-work> jed has had some interesting insite
[09:56] <monk> jed has been preparing for alot of things
[09:56] <monk> hehe
[09:57] <tex-at-work> i liked that comment about that yesterday
[09:57] <tex-at-work> but your are correct
[09:57] <monk> alot of things to prepare for not only the poleshift
[09:58] <tex-at-work> tied with out getting you going again... might i ask what point you wanted to get across lastnight
[10:00] <tied2> a lot of people think that there has to be bible prophesy must be fulfilled ... and that document explains it better
[10:00] <tex-at-work> very good that is what i thought
[10:01] <Dsarith> I back
[10:01] <monk> I dont think bible prophecy has to be fulfulled
[10:01] <tex-at-work> tied i thought you were working on a whole list of sites you put together
[10:01] <tied2> I am
[10:01] <monk> but it looks like it is being fulfilled
[10:02] <tex-at-work> i sure hope you share when you are ready
[10:02] <Dsarith> To accept the ZT in its core, I think and maybe wrongly, that there is a clash.
[10:02] <Dsarith> with the bible
[10:03] <Dsarith> Please comment
[10:03] <tied2> I guess it depends on what your view of the bible is  what part is a clash?
[10:03] <monk> IM not a expert in the bible myself I dont know
[10:03] <tied2> TeX I will share don't worry
[10:04] <Dsarith> I would say christianity as a whole. The premise etc
[10:04] <Dsarith> This is what makes believing in ZT difficult and where people can see past there belief systems
[10:05] <monk> well christianity has different ways of interputing the bible
[10:05] <Dsarith> True
[10:06] <tex-at-work> and if you don't "want" to believe in px.. i think it's easy to throw the bible up and say it's not happening "just this way"
[10:06] * Queen-away is now known as QueenVee
[10:06] <tex-at-work> most people really don't want it to be happening right now
[10:08] <QueenVee> hello Dsarith, welcome back
[10:09] <tex-at-work> wb QV
[10:09] <QueenVee> wow, in a BBC poll, Michael Moore was voted the newsmaker who made the greatest impact in the last year -- in the US he can barely get air time: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2587115.stm
[10:18] <Dsarith> Hi QV
[10:19] <QueenVee> i'm curious, in what way do you think ZetaTalk clashes with Christianity? (i'm not disagreeing, just curious)
[10:22] <Dsarith> Let me try to phrase it in a way that makes sense...
[10:25] <Dsarith> The idea of afterlife of heaven does not line up
[10:25] <Dsarith> Sorry trying to find the words
[10:25] <Dsarith> Little harder than I thought :-)
[10:26] <QueenVee> okay, yes, reincarnation does not jibe with Christianity
[10:26] <Dsarith> The Zetas are described as the Saviors of Humanity versus God. And you are correct that reincarnation does not jibe
[10:26] <monk> well heaven could be higher densitys
[10:27] <Dsarith> Not from a bibical standpoint, I dont believe.
[10:27] <QueenVee> Dsarith: well, that would be a misunderstanding, because the zetas do not claim to be God or above Jesus....
[10:27] <monk> I read somewhere that reincarnation was taken out of the bible in like 64ad
[10:27] <Dsarith> I understand that totally.
[10:27] <QueenVee> monk: you are right; but we are talking about current-day christianity
[10:27] <monk> jesus is in 5th density and zetas are in 4th
[10:28] <Dsarith> But they fill that position and I think that is what is difficult to reconcile
[10:28] <QueenVee> how do they fill that position?
[10:28] <monk> yea current day christanity is corrupted
[10:28] <QueenVee> you mean, they are warning people about PX and God is not?
[10:29] <Dsarith> More that they have the ability to determine who is to be saved, by choice, by lifting them above the earth during the pole shift.
[10:30] <Dsarith> And as you described layers of dimensions
[10:30] <QueenVee> mmmm, that reminds me of a story a mentor of mine used to tell me:
[10:30] <Dsarith> There is a huge amount of things to sort through and think through when considering ZT, life and the universe
[10:31] <Dsarith> Please tell me the story
[10:31] <tied2> there are more scriptures in the bible to support reincarnation than you might think..... Jesus himself suggested it
[10:31] <QueenVee> There was a guy who refused to be evacuated during a flood warning because God had told him that he would save him from the flood, and to be rescued by humans would be to doubt God's word....
[10:31] <Dsarith> There is also a lot of proof, in my mind, to support reincarnation. However, it clashes internally with my beliefs. I stay in a quandry most of the time...lol
[10:32] <QueenVee> so the guy is sitting on top of his house surrounded by flood waters, and a boat comes by to save him; again he refused, waiting on God....
[10:32] <QueenVee> next a helicopter comes by, sends down a ladder and urges him to come up and be saved; again he refused, waiting on God....
[10:33] <QueenVee> next a small plane lands on the house to rescue him; again he refuses, waiting on God....
[10:33] <QueenVee> finally the flood waters rise and succumb the house and the man drowns....
[10:33] <QueenVee> at the gates of heaven the man meets God, and asks why he didn't fulfill his promise to save him....
[10:34] <monk> God cant not come down to earth its not like that but the zetas could do gods work like angels and what the zetas say angels are people are there to help
[10:34] <QueenVee> God says Well, jeez, i sent a boat, a helicopter, and a plane -- what more could i do?
[10:36] <Dsarith> Perhaps God is using the Zetas to assist man. However, how would you explain reincarnations interms of todays Christianity? I am not trying to throw the bible as a shield, just trying to understand for myself.
[10:36] <Dsarith> And thank you for the story
[10:37] <monk> well there are parts in the bible that says I dont know the name but I think it was jesus who said this guy is the same as this guy
[10:37] <tied2> heres a good site on reincarnation and the bible http://www.near-death.com/origen.html
[10:37] <QueenVee> Dsarith: if you are asking me in terms of yourself as a Xtian, i would urge you to look into the early history of Xtianity and discover that reincarnation was NOT rejected by early Christians, and that the actual words of Jesus do not preclude the idea of christianity
[10:37] <QueenVee> but if you are asking in terms of most christians at large, i don't think you can reconcile it in their minds
[10:38] <QueenVee> monk: actually, it is one of the disciples that asks Jesus if he is in fact Elijah come back to earth....
[10:39] <Dsarith> Interesting, I will certainly do some history checking. It is one of those things in life that I think that there is too much proof showing that it exists.
[10:39] <tied2> most Christians are so miserable the idea that they would have to do it again is repulsive
[10:39] <QueenVee> Dsarith: the Bible is the work of men; do not put too much store in the work of men; God's work is mysterious and is not bound by the work of men.
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[10:40] <DRGREEN> hello everybody!
[10:41] <tied2> yes QV and Jesus said yes it was Elijah but when they asked John the baptist he said he wasn't Elijah but Jesus  said he was a perfect example of reincarnation
[10:41] <QueenVee> hi DrGreen
[10:41] <DRGREEN> AAaaaarrgh! Still no image-analysis!
[10:42] <QueenVee> in other words, Dsarith, it is not nearly so cut and dried as some Xtians would make it out to be
[10:42] <monk> tied2: yes that what I was just looking at
[10:42] <QueenVee> have patience, green
[10:42] <Dsarith> Correct in your statement, but one has to believe (in order to believe the Bible) that it has been inspired by God. Anyway, I dont want you to think that I am throwing all this out as an argument against anything or offend anyone. I enjoy listening to others thoughts
[10:42] <Dsarith> I really appreciate your insights and comments
[10:42] <monk> dsarith: which bible do you believe in ?
[10:42] <QueenVee> Dsarith: this is a serious question: why does one have to believe that every word of the bible is inspired by God?
[10:44] <Dsarith> Monk: King James Version, standard written Bible.
[10:44] <Dsarith> Ok back to your question QV
[10:44] <monk> ok
[10:44] <Dsarith> HI DRGREEN!
[10:45] <DRGREEN> I believe the bible IS inspired by GOD, but this doesn't mean that every word is like GOD's own. In reality, I guess in a way you could assume all are inspired by GOD, since that's where all energy came from to begin with.
[10:45] <DRGREEN> Hello.
[10:45] <Dsarith> If you do not believe that the entire Bible is inspired by God, then the whole Bible is worthless. How can you value just part and not the whole.
[10:45] <monk> Drgreen: your so right :)
[10:46] <Dsarith> I also concur with you DRGREEN for the most part ;-)
[10:47] <QueenVee> Dsarith: because we are not children; we have our God-given ability of discernment -- for instance, we are able to discern that some directives in the OT are culturally based and that it is therefore not neessary for us to follow them anymore....
[10:47] <Dsarith> true
[10:48] * monk is now known as monk-away
[10:49] <QueenVee> Dsarith: i don't know of any Christian -- let alone our current Christian leaders -- who do not very conveniently pick and choose what parts of the Bible to honour and which not to....
[10:49] * Ralf-ZzZz is now known as Ralf
[10:49] <QueenVee> hey Ralf -- wakey wakey
[10:50] <QueenVee> Ralf: did you get that revised banner i sent you?
[10:50] <DRGREEN> Bible is not worthless even if not entirely inspired by GOD's words. Still, it offers various views of how one lifestyle should be to reach Utopia. The bible can learn man very valuable lessons, wise men's and prophet's words shall be remembered. Learn what you can from it. I think the 10 should be remembered, but not forced as one must find out for oneself wich way to live is best. According to ZT, GOD shall decide what becomes of
[10:50] <Ralf> yeah
[10:50] <Ralf> i just didnt get much of a chance to look at it
[10:50] <QueenVee> np
[10:50] <Dsarith> I do agree with that. I dont believe in religion sects as a whole. Man makes religion.
[10:51] <Ralf> i spent about 9 hours yesterday reverse engineering some auto-generated javascript code
[10:51] <QueenVee> sounds... painful....
[10:51] <Ralf> that's *much* harder to interpret than the current discussion :D
[10:52] <tied2> The whole point of the Bible is to bear witness to Christ all the ritual's in the OT form pic's of Christ there fore they have meaning  the bible is not "the rules" it's a witness  it is NOT a hist book
[10:52] <QueenVee> give unto Bill Gates what is Bill Gates' and unto God what is God's....
[10:52] <Ralf> what is bill gates' <--- repeated kicks to the groin?
[10:52] <Dsarith> True Tied2 it is also proven to be an accurate history book
[10:53] <QueenVee> hehe
[10:53] <Dsarith> QV: thats funny
[10:53] <DRGREEN> Sure is quite accurate concerning the past, but the science has been left out and man does not interpret the dates correctly.
[10:53] <tied2> it's purpose is not history  but sure it has some history in it  but thats not it's intention
[10:53] <Dsarith> Also very true DRGREEN
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[10:54] <QueenVee> all very good points
[10:54] <DRGREEN> I guess it's intention is to learn man what life is about.
[10:54] <tied2> and what man is to be
[10:54] <Dsarith> There is the rub tied2
[10:55] <Ralf> QueenVee: i'm gonna do one slight modification to that image, if it's ok...
[10:55] <QueenVee> The problem i have with accepting the Bible as the last word is that it precludes spiritual growth.... it's like insisting that someone never diverge from the version of history provided by their Grade 5 history book and not move on to more complex understandings....
[10:55] <QueenVee> ralf: anything you do is ok with me, sweetie
[10:55] <tied2> all thru time people wonder ...what is man ...who is man well Jesus came saying   ........ I'm MAN
[10:55] <DRGREEN> Anyway, for me the bible inspired me in many cases.
[10:55] <Ralf> i'm going to fade the channel name slightly, it stands out and grabs the viewers' attention *too* much
[10:55] <QueenVee> i thought the same thing, ralf
[10:56] <QueenVee> because, you know, great minds think alike....
[10:56] <QueenVee> as do mediocre minds....
[10:56] <DRGREEN> But it's science and way of speaking/explaining is still not very much updates. Some things still get forced upon the religious folks today, even though times have changes dramatically and certain issues are not of importance anymore.
[10:56] <Dsarith> That is a very good point QV: There is but one path to salvation in the Bible
[10:58] <QueenVee> Dsarith: when you look at the history of christianity, you see that it at the point that the church became politicized that rigidity set in, that a lot of that "this is the one and only way" stems from a need for political control of the masses
[10:58] <Dsarith> I agree with your statement DRGREEN, however its the believers that choose a religion over what they believe that fall into this catagory and allow religion to be dicatated to them
[10:59] <DRGREEN> I really wonder why Nancy hasn't found the time to update an imprtant page such as the PX sightings. The analysis is done is it not? Anyone knows more?
[10:59] <Dsarith> A belief is a thoughtout understanding. A critical analysis of what one has learned and how this knowledge impacts them
[10:59] <DRGREEN> Yes, religion gets misused to a great degree. But people must enlighten themselves in a way, find out wich is best.
[10:59] <Dsarith> Most people choose to follow blindly rather than to think through meanings.
[11:00] <DRGREEN> wich way I mean, not religion per se.
[11:00] <Dsarith> Yes QV History shows this. Religion is a tool used to control the masses. Again it is for those who do choose to follow rather than think
[11:01] <DRGREEN> I'm becoming quite impatient, I'm not proud of it. I want analysis!
[11:01] <Dsarith> Ok one sec all. I need to be on a call, but I do want to hear all of your inputs
[11:01] <QueenVee> DrGreen: the analysis is not done yet, and it is not done by nancy. she is waiting on others.
[11:01] <Ralf> there you go
[11:01] <Ralf> it's up
[11:01] <QueenVee> well, i have to do a bit of cleaning, so....
[11:02] <QueenVee> ooooooooooooh, i like
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[11:02] <DRGREEN> I know. So, Nancy is waiting on the astronomers. Now I wonder why it's so difficult to analyse since it's so visible according to Steve.
[11:02] <DRGREEN> But I'll let it rest for now.
[11:02] <DRGREEN> I'll see when it gets done.
[11:03] <QueenVee> OKAY EVERYBODY, GO TO THE FOLLOWING PAGE AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK OF THE NEW SHIFT2003 BANNER DESIGNED BY YGGDRASIL: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/index.php
[11:04] <Yggdrasil> :0)
[11:04] <tied2> rotate the globe 90 degrees ;-)
[11:04] <Yggdrasil> haha
[11:04] <Yggdrasil> good point
[11:05] <DRGREEN> QV, the site used to have a different backgroundcolor before. Now it's blue, it was darkyellow. I liked the yellow more. Also, some borders were different than before. Liked the old site best. I DO like the new bannertitle though, nice red dust cloud on Nibiru, nice new earth image.
[11:05] <QueenVee> no, the PX is still on the way...
[11:05] <QueenVee> drGreen: well, you were outvoted on the background colour, everyone else likes the blue better
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[11:05] <Yggdrasil> it needs to autocenter
[11:05] <QueenVee> i was also quite fond of the yello
[11:05] <DRGREEN> shame hehe.
[11:05] <Yggdrasil> it looks good
[11:05] <QueenVee> hello DeMolay
[11:05] <Yggdrasil> thats what wierd u never know what will work untill you try it huh
[11:05] <DeMolay-Brazil> hi
[11:06] <QueenVee> DrGreen: you see, now and then i have to give in to the little people....
[11:06] <QueenVee> (just kidding!)
[11:06] <DRGREEN> :)
[11:06] <QueenVee> What brings you to this room, DeMolay?
[11:07] <DeMolay-Brazil> i'm looking for channels on the servers!
[11:07] <QueenVee> yes, Yggdrasil did a great job --     THANK YOU YGGDRASIL!     
[11:07] <DeMolay-Brazil> i'm from Brazil
[11:07] <QueenVee> any channel?
[11:07] <DeMolay-Brazil> any channel
[11:07] <Yggdrasil> your welcome
[11:07] <Yggdrasil> you did most of it
[11:07] <DeMolay-Brazil> thanks!!!!!
[11:08] <DeMolay-Brazil> where are you from?
[11:08] <QueenVee> Well, this is a channel for people who are familiar with www.zetatalk.com -- are you?
[11:09] <QueenVee> DeMolay: are you familiar with www.zetatalk.com?
[11:09] <DeMolay-Brazil> no
[11:09] <DeMolay-Brazil> will go visit this site
[11:09] <DeMolay-Brazil> wait a moment
[11:09] <DeMolay-Brazil> :)
[11:10] <Dsarith> Ok I am back, short call
[11:10] <QueenVee> DeMolay: come back in a few days after you have thoroughly read the material
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[11:12] <Michaellss> good day all...
[11:12] <DRGREEN> hello michaellss.
[11:13] <DRGREEN> How's your current situation?
[11:13] <Michaellss> hehe not too good..but im hangin
[11:13] <Michaellss> friends are about to put me in institutionand...
[11:14] <Michaellss> I might have testicular cancer...:(
[11:14] <Michaellss> other than that lifes wonderful
[11:14] <DRGREEN> Damn.
[11:14] <Michaellss> lol
[11:14] <DRGREEN> I'm sorry man.
[11:14] <Michaellss> its ok
[11:14] <Michaellss> im used to this life giving to ya hard
[11:15] <Michaellss> lookin forward to may15th
[11:15] <DRGREEN> About your friends, that sucks. But the testicular problem, man, are you for real?
[11:15] <DRGREEN> You must have someone around you to share your vision on life with.
[11:15] <Michaellss> not sure if its cancer,going in for biopsy within a week'
[11:15] <DRGREEN> Is that cutting or checking?
[11:15] <Michaellss> I have my girlfriend but,
[11:15] <Michaellss> checking
[11:16] <Michaellss> needle time aahh
[11:16] <DRGREEN> Ah man. I would trade places with you but I do not know how.
[11:16] <Michaellss> I just want them to take it all out no testing just trake it...:)
[11:17] <Michaellss> Im in good spirits though
[11:17] <Michaellss> little grumpy today
[11:17] <Michaellss> urinary track infections tend to make ya grumpy..
[11:17] <DRGREEN> Well, I wish you luck. So, you have any plans for may2003?
[11:18] <Michaellss> not really
[11:18] <Michaellss> gotta think of my girlfriend
[11:18] <DRGREEN> She won't go or so?
[11:18] <Michaellss> If I make to many big changes shell freak
[11:18] <Michaellss> she thinks its a hoax
[11:18] <Michaellss> thinks nothing will happen
[11:19] <DRGREEN> But you think otherwise?
[11:19] <Michaellss> I have to promise to go get help if nothing happens then
[11:19] <Michaellss> Im pretty sure something is coming yes
[11:19] <DRGREEN> If so, then again my question, you have nobody to share your vision on life with?
[11:19] <Michaellss> not anyone that believes it no
[11:20] <Michaellss> but you guys here
[11:20] <Michaellss> :)
[11:20] <DRGREEN> Noone around you agrees with you?
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[11:20] <Michaellss> nope
[11:20] <DRGREEN> I guess that's damn hard.
[11:20] <DRGREEN> Man.
[11:20] <Michaellss> 1 friend hopes for it too but hes not sure
[11:20] <DRGREEN> I'm sorry for you.
[11:20] <Michaellss> dont be
[11:20] <Michaellss> i will be very strong if it hits
[11:20] <Michaellss> I know were im at spiritually
[11:21] <Michaellss> uh yeah I think I know hehe
[11:21] <DRGREEN> You sure will. You shall be like Vegeta blasting the asteriod becoming a super-sayjin.
[11:21] <Michaellss> you a musician?
[11:21] <Michaellss> lol
[11:21] <DRGREEN> nope. I'm a graphical artist, sort of.
[11:21] <Michaellss> cool
[11:22] <Michaellss> well keep an ear out for LSS--(long story short)
[11:22] <Michaellss> Thats the band name
[11:22] <Michaellss> well forming band again
[11:22] <DRGREEN> I'll remember. What genre does it belong to?
[11:22] <DRGREEN> rock?
[11:22] <Michaellss> yes
[11:23] <Michaellss> heavy and soft
[11:23] <DRGREEN> right.
[11:23] <DRGREEN> I like honest music.
[11:23] <Michaellss> I write my emotions and since im diagnosed you can imagine the versatility
[11:23] <Michaellss> I can send you a quick sample of it
[11:23] <Michaellss> wanna try?
[11:24] <DRGREEN> I have no audio on this machine.
[11:24] <Michaellss> bummer
[11:24] <QueenVee>    HELLO ISLANDER!     
[11:25] <Michaellss> Genre:like old sabbath and floyd with pantera and old mettalica mixed in
[11:25] <islander> hello all, first time here
[11:25] <QueenVee> Islander: sorry, i didn't see you come in there... what brings you to this room?
[11:25] <Michaellss> hi islander
[11:25] <DRGREEN> Liking such styles.
[11:25] <islander> curiosity on the types of discussion
[11:25] * monk-away is now known as Monk
[11:25] <DRGREEN> islander, you from?
[11:25] <QueenVee> islander: let me guess, you're on Vancouver Island?
[11:26] <Michaellss> hehe
[11:26] <islander> west coast of bc
[11:26] <islander> you got it
[11:26] <QueenVee> hail, fellow Canuck -- ontario here
[11:26] <DRGREEN> hehe.
[11:27] <QueenVee> islander: how long have you been aware of the poleshift and zetatalk?
[11:27] <DRGREEN> Michaellss, you're on a safe location according to ZT?
[11:27] <Michaellss> Colorado
[11:27] <islander> about 3 years that I've followeed Zetatalk and T-T
[11:27] <DRGREEN> Safe or not? I cannot visualize where it is Colorado, USA?
[11:27] <Michaellss> Im gonna hang around here and straighten out the elite with there ignorance
[11:28] <Michaellss> lol
[11:28] <Michaellss> just kiddin
[11:28] <QueenVee> islander: are you staying put or planning to relocate?
[11:28] <DRGREEN> YEAH ROCK IT!
[11:28] <Michaellss> I could only try
[11:28] <islander> Have to relocxat, my gut instinct ten years ago was to build a house pinned to rock on a hilside, just didn't get it high enough
[11:28] <Michaellss> yes colorado USA midwest
[11:29] <Michaellss> lol
[11:29] <islander> pardon the typing
[11:30] <islander> i am developing a new prototype to survive that isn't pinned down, like a house on skates
[11:30] <islander> QueenVee: do you have to relocate
[11:31] <Monk> islander: like a rv ?
[11:31] <Michaellss> I cant explain the feeling I get when I come here to chat,like an excited kid waiting for the best present ever!!But its the saddest present also
[11:31] <islander> no , it's a simpler idea. we normally build with a footing to preventy a house from either sinking ir sliding.
[11:32] <Michaellss> wow
[11:32] <islander> i think that i am going to try a flat slab over a greasy type of material that will allow the build to slide independant of earth motion
[11:33] <islander> that way the severe shock is not transfered to the building
[11:33] <Michaellss> hhhmmm
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[11:36] <Monk> Hi quasar
[11:36] <Michaellss> How many were you planning to fit in?
[11:36] <Michaellss> islander?
[11:36] <Michaellss> how many ppl?
[11:37] <islander> family and friends but the problem is sustainability down the road. I would plan on a group of 100 to achieve a mixed skillset for all the chores for long term existence
[11:37] <Michaellss> yup
[11:38] <Michaellss> thats alot of engineering
[11:38] <Michaellss> good luck
[11:38] <Michaellss> sounds like you got it in your head good though
[11:38] <Michaellss> hehe sounds well i should say reads like...lol
[11:38] <islander> Iwas working on a list of skills needed for a community based on present and past technologies and asking, what is the minimum number of hands would it take?
[11:39] <QueenVee> islander: sorry, i got called away to the phone, just got back
[11:39] <Michaellss> 100 is alot of ppl to get to work together
[11:39] <Michaellss> friends and fam wont be to bad
[11:39] <Michaellss> hopefully
[11:39] <Michaellss> but strangers could be another story
[11:40] <QueenVee> islander: i've already relocated and have my safe place for the shift and aftertime (relatively safe that is)
[11:40] <islander> 100 people with the right orientation is no problem, its just getting the direction and goals straight that wil be a problem
[11:40] <Michaellss> yup
[11:40] <QueenVee> ZT recommends starting small
[11:40] <Ralf> 100 people, even with the right orientation, is going to cause problems.
[11:40] <Ralf> no matter what the task.
[11:40] <QueenVee> with friends and family
[11:40] <Michaellss> I was thinking 20 or 30
[11:40] <Ralf> there will always be differences of opinion and personality conflicts.
[11:40] <QueenVee> there's nothing wrong with small units working cooperatively with other small units -- more manageable, actually
[11:41] <islander> Thats why i will start with family but plan to have others join, the key will be to having adequate preparations to support those joining
[11:41] <QueenVee> which is why ZT recommends friends and family -- because there are pre-existing bonds there...
[11:41] <Michaellss> spread out with more than 3 living spots,as to make it tough for any to know where main area is
[11:42] <QueenVee> people will find each other, relocate if necessary
[11:42] <islander> I am not going to get overly paranoid since I believe that if a catclysm was to hit my area, geography will provide many filters
[11:42] <QueenVee> islander: exactly
[11:43] <Michaellss> stay away from power plants and stuff that will not be good to be around then
[11:43] <QueenVee> someone was wringing their hands in here about all the "looting and pillaging" that will take place in their city: i said, considering that almost everyone in the city will be killed or maimed, it won't so much be looting and just picking amongst the ruins for food and supplies...
[11:44] <islander> my biggest challenge will to be timing, when to stock, where to be at what time and what geography is actually safe to be on, since the coast is not a prefferred spot, hot feet, boiling rivers, wind earthqakes, vocanos etc
[11:44] <Michaellss> I think this will hit most very hard,will be in shock long time
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[11:44] <Monk> Dont forget the government will come save us
[11:44] <Monk> :)
[11:44] <Michaellss> hehe
[11:44] <QueenVee> people still can't wrap their heads around the fact around the massive death
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[11:45] <Michaellss> Ill be watchin what there doing thats for sure
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[11:46] <islander> if people were to take a world topo map and black out all the areas that were below a height, understand how much of the poulation lives there then consider them gone, reality might set in
[11:46] <Michaellss> think I read this in ZT,hiding from many groups will be best offense to survive
[11:46] <QueenVee> islander: i've started working on a map like that....
[11:47] <Monk> Michael Scaillon has a map of the aftertime
[11:47] <islander> i just downloaded a clor topo map and substituted colors in a graphics program, simple to do
[11:47] <Michaellss> Gotta go fix guitar bbl cyall..
[11:48] <DRGREEN> Monk...
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[11:48] <islander> scallions map doesn't seem to show regard to mountain ranges or elevations in our area, just shows puddles of oceans that don't reflect Zetatalk
[11:49] <DRGREEN> Scallion predicted stockmarket collapse on jan03 not? Someone told that to me somewhere.
[11:49] <DRGREEN> ZT says Scallion is legit, so why do the maps differ?
[11:49] <DRGREEN> Because Scallion interprets incorrect?
[11:50] <islander> interpretations or clarity of the message and how it is recieved?
[11:50] <DRGREEN> maybe.
[11:52] <QueenVee> there is no map right now that reflects what is described in the ZT "safe locations" document
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[11:52] <islander> directions and general impressions are probably correct but exact details may be another matter and sbject to the interpretation and experiences of the medium
[11:52] <QueenVee> ZT says Scallion only has it part right
[11:52] <DRGREEN> damn, I'm reading sci.astro but there's nothing going on. No serious replies no nothing. The word should be spreading, but it seems like time has stopped yesterday,
[11:52] <DRGREEN> Scallion is telepathic himself and mixes stories together?
[11:52] <DRGREEN> Simple version
[11:53] <DRGREEN> but you get my question?
[11:53] <islander> I recall that ZT referred to this a few weeks back that it all comes down to level of interpreattion, big picture before details
[11:53] <QueenVee> All material going through a channel or interpretor is subject to distortion, depending on the beliefs and biases of the "receiver" -- thus far nancy seems a pretty "pure" receiver in that respect; Scallion interprets everything through his religiolus beliefs....
[11:54] <DRGREEN> kay.
[11:54] <QueenVee> Scallion doesn't have much of an accuracy record compared to Nancy
[11:54] <DRGREEN> that's why I read ZT and no Scallion :)
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[11:55] <QueenVee> well, i read all of that kind of material and look for the correlations between them, which are likely to be the most accurate parts....
[11:55] <QueenVee> hey zetapal
[11:55] <DRGREEN> Hello Zetapal any friend of the Z's is a friend of mine.
[11:55] <islander> As far as financial prdictions, a normal person sitting back could make fairly accurate prdictions, eg threat of uncertainty due to scandal, election, Greenspan announcement, war etc = no confidence = market problems
[11:55] <QueenVee> zetapal: have a look at the new banner on the site: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com
[11:55] <Zetapal> hey Doc :)
[11:55] <Zetapal> ok
[11:56] <QueenVee> islander: do you know our website? http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/index.php
[11:56] <islander> I was there 30 minutes ago after I saw the announcement in the TT forum
[11:57] <Zetapal> Hi  Tied2
[11:58] <DRGREEN> Ouch my eyes.
[11:59] <islander>  drgreen: has the speed issue with the images been resolved, i downloaded the zipped fit files but recieve an error message when trying to open them
[11:59] <Zetapal> very nice Nibiru addition there Queen
[11:59] <DRGREEN> ?
[11:59] <QueenVee> well, that should be directed to Yddrasil, zp
[11:59] <Zetapal> .   ~~*     .o   O
[12:00] <DRGREEN> I do not know, I downloaded them 10 minutes after Nancy updated the page, so I had no probs then. I hear from many people that it's slow, or that they get errors when opening, mostly CRC.
[12:00] <QueenVee> islander: apparently the fits download is all screwed up; we're all going to have to wait....
[12:00] <islander> i'm just hoping for a clear night to use a telescope and camera here
[12:01] <DRGREEN> I have no viewer yet, my brother will not let me install, so I cannot see the pics.
[12:01] <DRGREEN> Only the BMP's.
[12:01] <QueenVee> we had such a lovely clear night here last night
[12:02] <islander> unfortunately the moon will be the biggest issue for the next while, to much light in the atmoshere here
[12:02] <islander> excuse the dropped letters
[12:03] <QueenVee> islander: i'm going to be started a "NETWORK WITH OTHERS" section of the website soon. if you would like to receive further information about that, zetatalk sessions in this room, etc., just give me your email address in private and i'll put you on the mailing list
[12:03] <QueenVee> yes, the moon is VERY bright
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[12:04] <Guest> hello
[12:04] <islander> okay , will do. I also plan to put up a site on community ideas and buildings in the future
[12:04] <DRGREEN> Hi guest. use '/nick newnickname'
[12:04] <DRGREEN> No guests I guess.
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[12:05] <DRGREEN> Hey...
[12:05] <TheHeritiC> hi
[12:05] <DRGREEN> Do any of you have that sometimes?
[12:05] <QueenVee> Hello Heritic -- what brings you to this room?
[12:06] <TheHeritiC> linked here from the planet x website
[12:06] <QueenVee> islander: will be very happy to link to you
[12:06] <QueenVee> Heretic: how long have you been aware of the poleshift/PX issue?
[12:06] <islander> just need some time to gather thoughts etc
[12:07] <DRGREEN> For a couple of seconds, I feel something very strange with visions. for a couple of seconds, I feel so much emotions I cannot identify. Sometimes love is the overwhelming one, sometimes fear or sadness. Now it was joy. I felt so different a minute ago. It felt nice pity it was only for a second.
[12:07] <TheHeritiC> since the late 90's
[12:07] <DRGREEN> Anyone got the same thing?
[12:07] <QueenVee> heretic: which PlanetX website? can you give me the URL?
[12:07] <TheHeritiC> I have a facination with pre history
[12:07] <QueenVee> DrGreen: we are all probably very "sensitive" right now....
[12:07] <TheHeritiC> http://www.planetxvideo.com/
[12:07] <DRGREEN> Sometimes I feel like someone else, Like I'm viewing a tiny bit of someone else's life.
[12:08] <DRGREEN> for a second. Then I lose the feeling.
[12:08] <TheHeritiC> I find it hard to find like minds on alot of issues
[12:08] <QueenVee> Heretic: so are you familiar with www.zetatalk.com? are you preparing for the May2003 poleshift?
[12:08] <DRGREEN> That's hard for you Heretic. I feel sorry.
[12:08] <TheHeritiC> I came across the zetatalk website several years ago
[12:09] <TheHeritiC> never paid it much mind but could not forget alot of the things I read there
[12:09] <TheHeritiC> so came back for deeper look
[12:09] * DRGREEN is now known as DRG-brushingteeth
[12:10] <TheHeritiC> educate me alittle on the zetas?
[12:10] <TheHeritiC> they any association to the annuaki?
[12:10] <QueenVee> no, they are not
[12:10] <TheHeritiC> good
[12:10] <QueenVee> you'll find quite a lot of material about that on the www.zetatalk.com site
[12:11] <TheHeritiC> so who are the zetas?
[12:11] <TheHeritiC> where do they fit into the mix?
[12:11] <QueenVee> the WORLDS section can help you with that, and there's also a search engine on the site: http://www.zetatalk.com/search/freefind.htm
[12:11] <QueenVee> Heretic: this isn't really a place to get answers to basic questions -- we can only recommend you read the site
[12:11] <TheHeritiC> what do you know of the annuaki?
[12:12] <QueenVee> what's on the site, Hereticf
[12:12] <TheHeritiC> k
[12:12] <TheHeritiC> thank you for the link
[12:12] <QueenVee> * Topic is 'Preparation for MAY2003 POLESHIFT & AFTERTIME, for those familiar with and serious about ZetaTalk (newcomers please read www.ZetaTalk.com for answers to basic questions). For debate about the validity of ZetaTalk go to #troubled_times.'
[12:13] <TheHeritiC> I not here to debate
[12:15] <islander> Heretic: after you read the Zeta site about the size of their species have a look at the sumerian carvings in rock, Eygptian  and Mayan images and ask the question, why is ther two sizes of individuals represented
[12:15] <DRG-brushingteeth> Anunaki are the Giants from Nibiru, but some think they are reptilians from Nibiru. ZT says Anunaki in old texts are giants, but in a higher density reptilians also live on Nibiru.
[12:15] <QueenVee> asking who the zetas and annunaki are qualifies as a "basic question"
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[12:17] <QueenVee> if people can't put out the time and energy to read basic information on the site, they're not likely to have much to add to a discussion about preparation
[12:17] <DRG-brushingteeth> Sure that's true.
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[12:17] <islander> Is there an FTP site for Zetatalk/TT to download updates?
[12:18] <QueenVee> ftp?
[12:18] <DRGREEN> Anunaki are the Giants from Nibiru, but some think they are reptilians from Nibiru. ZT says Anunaki in old texts are giants, but in a higher density reptilians also live on Nibiru. Read ZT on all of this Heretic.
[12:18] <islander> File transfer eg. download the whole site in one step
[12:18] <QueenVee> islander: yes, there is. hold on, i'll get it for you.
[12:19] <TheHeritiC> thanks green for the reply
[12:19] <DRGREEN> noprob
[12:19] <TheHeritiC> I have alot of intrest in Sumer
[12:20] <QueenVee> islander: what's your OS?
[12:21] <islander> mainly XP or 98
[12:21] <DRGREEN> Yeah me too. I was almost obsessed with the ancient writings, the Sumerian tablets. These texts filled in almost every gap there was in current education. Then I came across ZT, wich fills in the final gaps.
[12:21] <islander> have Linux as well
[12:22] <TheHeritiC> it seems everything leads back to sumer
[12:23] <QueenVee> islander: okay, you want the "WS_FTP Limited Edition", which you can download free at http://download.com.com
[12:23] <DRGREEN> Sure does, the sumerians where the first, the whole western civilasation, math, astronomy is based on their knowledge.
[12:23] <DRGREEN> also our current understanding of time.
[12:23] <TheHeritiC> the letter A comes from sumer
[12:23] <TheHeritiC> I like how they just appeared
[12:23] <TheHeritiC> educated an all out of nowhere
[12:23] <QueenVee> islander: WAIT! I GAVE YOU THE WRONG PROGRAM
[12:24] <DRGREEN> But not truly out of nowhere. Sumerian knowledge is based on older descriptions, knowledge of their gods, the Anunaki.
[12:25] <TheHeritiC> yes
[12:25] <QueenVee> islander: you want "Webstripper 2.19, free edition", which can be downloaded free at http://download.com.com
[12:25] <DRGREEN> Heretic, you have any idea what might be hitting humanity in the very near future?
[12:26] <islander> QueenVee: will FTPNavigator work?
[12:26] <QueenVee> dunno
[12:26] <QueenVee> Webstripper worked for me
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[12:26] <DRGREEN> Read ZT on this, if true, you'll thank god you found out about it. Or not, and have you life completely altered in a negative fashion. Or not, and run away.
[12:26] <TheHeritiC> a truck load of trouble
[12:27] <DRGREEN> Lots of options, only one whole truth.
[12:27] <QueenVee> heretic: what part of the world do you live in? what are you doing to prepare for the May2003 poleshift?
[12:27] <islander> QueenVee: is there an address to access  for download?
[12:28] <QueenVee> islander: i gave it to you twice above:  http://download.com
[12:28] <DRGREEN> Read ZT for truth. Their accuracy trackrecord is astounding.
[12:28] <TheHeritiC> I live in the USA
[12:28] <TheHeritiC> home fo disinformation
[12:28] <TheHeritiC> they dont tell us anything here
[12:28] <DRGREEN> hehe. You gotta love it.
[12:29] <TheHeritiC> LOL
[12:29] <QueenVee> where in the US? what state?
[12:29] <TheHeritiC> CNN = controled news network
[12:29] <DRGREEN> HAHAHA
[12:29] <TheHeritiC> Alabama
[12:29] <DRGREEN> NASA-Never A Straight Answer
[12:30] <TheHeritiC> when I bring up the subject of planet x
[12:30] <QueenVee> Heretic: what are you doing to prepare for the May2003 poleshift?
[12:30] <TheHeritiC> 90% of the people tune me out
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[12:30] <TheHeritiC> they all asleep I guess
[12:31] <TheHeritiC> not much in way of prepardness
[12:31] <TheHeritiC> cross that bridge when I come to it
[12:31] <TheHeritiC> unless ya'll got some good advice for me
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[12:31] <TheHeritiC> Im open to solutions
[12:31] <inside-revolution> Hello :)
[12:31] <QueenVee> Heretic: the zetatalk site has clear advice for your area
[12:31] <QueenVee> hello inside:
[12:31] <tied2> information is the most important thing you can gather
[12:32] <DRGREEN> revolution is near.
[12:32] <QueenVee> Heretic: you really don't seem very interested in serious preparation, do you?
[12:32] <TheHeritiC> how would one prepare for such a thing?
[12:32] <QueenVee> i'm trying to figure out why you're here
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[12:32] <TheHeritiC> to learn
[12:32] <QueenVee> learn from the zetatalk site, then come back here when you've learned the basics -- ok?
[12:33] <TheHeritiC> like I said dont get to talk to many like minds on this subject
[12:33] <QueenVee> hello Grakus
[12:33] <DRGREEN> Heretic, some area's are relitively safe.
[12:33] <TheHeritiC> I have read that site
[12:33] <DRGREEN> Safer than others.
[12:33] <Grakus> hello
[12:33] <QueenVee> heretic: clearly you haven't
[12:33] <DRGREEN> India for example, will most certainly drown.
[12:33] <TheHeritiC> Queen
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[12:34] <QueenVee> Grakus: so what brings you to this room?
[12:34] <tied2> lol
[12:35] <Grakus> why did you kick the Heritic?
[12:35] <inside-revolution> hey
[12:35] <QueenVee> because he hasn't even read the www.zetatalk.com site
[12:35] <inside-revolution> How are you shifters? :)
[12:36] <Grakus> He invited me here. he knows more than you give them credit for.  He did read that sites years ago and has not quit talking about it to me.
[12:36] <QueenVee> good, inside -- how are you?
[12:36] <inside-revolution> Fine :)
[12:36] <inside-revolution> We live in a good place
[12:36] <inside-revolution> big plate land
[12:36] <QueenVee> Grakus: this is the stated parameters of this room: * Topic is 'Preparation for MAY2003 POLESHIFT & AFTERTIME, for those familiar with and serious about ZetaTalk (newcomers please read www.ZetaTalk.com for answers to basic questions). For debate about the validity of ZetaTalk go to #troubled_times.'
[12:37] <QueenVee> Grakus: your friend did not want to discuss preparation, only as basic questions like "Who are the zetas" -- not a question anyone would ask if they were at all familiar with the site
[12:37] <QueenVee> Grakus: can i assume you have also not read the site?
[12:38] <DRGREEN> I agree with you QV, but even though he's not planning on preparing, couldn't he maybe give some nice advice to others. I mean, he was not questioning the validity of ZT, so not like he was being annoying or so. I know you should maintain a consistent chat.
[12:38] <Grakus> I haven't read the site yet myself.  I guess that means you're going to kick may also, huh?
[12:39] <QueenVee> sorry, green. i'm not allowing this to become the ZetaTalk101 chat room -- that is not its purpose
[12:39] <QueenVee> you got it, Grakus
[12:39] <DRGREEN> But, I'm planning on preparing and am doing so, yet I'm not always talking about it here.
[12:39] <QueenVee> buh bye
[12:39] <DRGREEN> I understand.
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[12:39] <QueenVee> anyone who has a serious problem with the parameters of this room are free to set up another room that better suits their needs
[12:40] <QueenVee> i do not want people hanging about here who haven't even read the site, let alone are not even preparing
[12:40] <QueenVee> that is not going to change
[12:40] <islander> could the biggest problem be that people are not used to reading, look at pictures and captions only, no time to get involved etc
[12:41] <DRGREEN> I think if they aren't debunkers or questioning ZT, it's okay. But that's not this chat's intent so okay.
[12:41] <QueenVee> well, if they are not serious enough to spend some time reading, then they are not bound to be serious enough to prepare
[12:41] <inside-revolution> do you have family queenie?
[12:41] <DRGREEN> that's very likely yes.
[12:42] <QueenVee> DrGreen: please feel free to start a separate room
[12:42] <Monk> I set up a chatroom for people who are curious about the poleshift and just wanna talk about it and talk about alot more subjects like ufos aliens earthchanges and such channel #god
[12:42] <QueenVee> there ya go
[12:42] <DRGREEN> Oh no, I wouldn't know how. I have no probs with the rules of this chat.
[12:42] <islander> the challenge of getting the word out is the type of presentation and what level of perception and individual has
[12:43] <QueenVee> islander: it is not my intention to "get the word out" via this room -- that seems to be a big misunderstanding on a the part of some people
[12:43] <Monk> This chat is only for serious discussions on poleshift and zetatalk
[12:43] <QueenVee> this is a room for people who have already read and digested "the word" and want to get beyond the basics and start talking about serious preparation
[12:43] <islander> could a person use to the comforts of the 20th and 21st century even relate to a an 18th century existence
[12:44] <QueenVee> well, i don't think it's so much whether they're used to the comforts.... its'whether they have the ability to adapt....
[12:45] <DRGREEN> I'm just worried if people get kicked they may not get the point and feel like not welcome or so. Maybe you should ask to leave first, if they do not than kick. I would feel not welcome after being kicked, but that might be the way I think. Maybe others do not experience it the way I do at all.
[12:45] <QueenVee> i do ask them to leave. i asked the repeatedly.
[12:45] <islander> its certainly is challenging my knowledge and schooling anfd forcing me to do a lot of research into older methods of ding things, like if I didn't have nails, what would I do?
[12:45] <DRGREEN> I guess not, cause it's quite busy and getting busier here lately :)
[12:45] <QueenVee> islander: well, to my mind, mental preparation is as important as physical preparation....
[12:46] <QueenVee> just spending time talking to other people about what everyday life will be..... gets one used to the idea.... able to picture it....
[12:47] <QueenVee> if most of the discussion here gets taken up with explaining the basics of what it's all about, providing links, etc, there's not much time left for that kind of important talk....
[12:47] <islander> QueenVee: agrred. I think that the knowledge preparation is the most important issue, an example would be a discussion here, how would I make clothing?
[12:47] <QueenVee> exactly. problem solving. what do you do when....
[12:48] <QueenVee> i have found that people tend to assume that certain things will still be available to them, and it's very useful to say, yeah, but where are you going to get this, and that....
[12:48] <islander> or how could I use metal, wwhat tools are needed, how would I build and fuel a forge etc
[12:49] <DRGREEN> Has ZT got anything on how soon life will restore after PS? Not the basics, I would like to know if we move to Sweden will we see big tarantula's creeping around when the climate has settled? Or will this be out of our lifetimes?
[12:49] <QueenVee> even if we agree to just "play act" while we're in here, whether we truly "believe" or not -- just imaginitively say, well, if it happens, how will we do xyz...
[12:49] <DRGREEN> Will spiderbeings settle faster than large animals?
[12:50] <islander> I am assuming that nothing will be available except the Items I luck upon as a "searcher" so I research things like where is coal, hot springs, mineral deposits, clay beds,etc
[12:50] <QueenVee> DRGREEN: you must be kidding. ZT is chock full of information about what conditions will be like in the aftertime.
[12:50] <QueenVee> DRGREEN: plus we cannot depend on ZT forever. we have to start thinking for ourselves.
[12:50] <QueenVee> what on earth would make you think there would be "big tarantulas creeping around"? what's the basis for that question?
[12:51] <islander> How many have bound up a hardcopy of ZT and TT for future reference yet?
[12:51] <Monk> what do you think about printing out the whole zetatalk.com webpage so you can have it in the future
[12:51] <DRGREEN> I'm not really kidding, you see, I and my brother have a huge fear of spiders and I cannot find anything specific on how fast spiders settle in such circumstances as a Poleshift.
[12:52] <QueenVee> you didn't answer my question, green, other than to tell me you have a phobia
[12:52] <DRGREEN> Because Sweden will be brazillian climate after the shift, so, other insects than here.
[12:52] <QueenVee> okay, you just answered your own question: research what the current conditions are like in Brazil....
[12:53] <DRGREEN> I know that. I just asked if Anyone knew the answer beforehand so it would spare me the searching trouble.
[12:54] <DRGREEN> You sound a bit irritated? Or is it just me?
[12:54] <QueenVee> DRGREEN: well, we all have to get out of the mindset of expecting things to just be available at our fingertips....
[12:54] <QueenVee> yeah, i'm very irritated
[12:54] <QueenVee> i'm tired of people whining at me
[12:54] <DRGREEN> I'm sorry if that's my fault. You said it, patience.
[12:55] <QueenVee> Well, you know, there are people in what i will call the poleshift community who are putting alot of their own time and energy into providing structure for discussion and preparation around this event....
[12:56] <QueenVee> and there are people (not necessarily anyone here) who sit around carping from the sidelines about how this that and the other isn't being done for them....
[12:56] <QueenVee> people who can't even bother to read the site are not likely to be "contributers" , are they?
[12:56] <QueenVee> i'm interested in talking to others who want to share information and contribute, and am getting more and more impatient with the sideliners -- quite frankly
[12:57] <QueenVee> okay, that's the end of my rant
[12:57] <DRGREEN> I know that. I and my brother have that problem to a huge degree. People expect averything prepared for them, not doing anything. Just sitting around waiting till we get in action.
[12:57] <DRGREEN> I understand that kind of irritation hehe. it sounds quite familiar.
[12:57] <islander> QueenVee: We should appreciate all the efforts that are being pooled, but those not contributing are showing what side they are on in the future.
[12:58] <QueenVee> it's not the end of the world, it's just irritation
[12:58] <QueenVee> islander: yes, exactly -- as ZT says, the polarization of individuals is getting greater and greater
[12:58] <QueenVee> and we have to be ready for it, face it straight on
[12:59] <QueenVee> DRGREEN: i have taken you advice to heart about people maybe not feeling welcome to come back after i direct them to ZetaTalk; so i will try to make it much more clear in future that they are very welcome to come back once they have learned the basics...
[12:59] <QueenVee> it's not my intention to discourage people, i'm just not willing to give them a free ride
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[13:00] <islander> Facing it straight on and as an individual, eg what it was only you, what then...? If I was to give each member of my family a backpack, what would be the instructions enclosed? I might not be there.
[13:00] <DRGREEN> I understand.
[13:01] <QueenVee> islander: sorry, i don't quite understand....
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[13:02] <QueenVee> lol, wonder what ralf did to deserve that?
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[13:02] <QueenVee> OKAY, I NEED EVERYBODY'S INPUT ON SOMETHING:
[13:02] <tex-at-work> ok
[13:03] <QueenVee> i'm going to start putting together the "form" to send to people who might want to participate in the "NETWORK WITH OTHERS" portion of the website....
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[13:04] <QueenVee> first of all, i'd like to discuss the different kinds of "networking" that people may be interested in.....
[13:04] <islander> I comes down to who and what do you support, I am willing to share with those that are willing to share and I am will to share with family despite possible orientation, but the problem for all is where do you draw the line.
[13:04] <QueenVee> sure, exactly.....
[13:05] <islander> if there is networking perhaps you must give before you recieve
[13:05] <QueenVee> well, at the extreme end of "networking" is people who are looking for others to form communities... right?
[13:05] <QueenVee> and at the lower end would be people who just want to talk to others in their area to exchange information
[13:06] <QueenVee> so i want to lay out on the form the different kinds of networking there could be and ask people to check off which they are interested in....
[13:06] <QueenVee> does that make sense?
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[13:07] <obaway> hi
[13:07] <DRGREEN> hi
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[13:07] <QueenVee> hi obany
[13:07] <QueenVee> anybody have any kind of response/reaction to that?
[13:08] <QueenVee> does that sound like a good approach?
[13:09] <DRGREEN> Yes QV it does. No probs there.
[13:10] <QueenVee> okay, let me put it another way, if it were you, what kind of networking would you each be interested in, with others in your area, if any?
[13:10] <obany> what you guys tlaking about?
[13:10] <QueenVee> obany: i'll repeat what i posted above....
[13:11] <QueenVee> [15:58] <QueenVee>  OKAY, I NEED EVERYBODY'S INPUT ON SOMETHING:
[13:11] <QueenVee> [15:58] <QueenVee> i'm going to start putting together the "form" to send to people who might want to participate in the "NETWORK WITH OTHERS" portion of the website....
[13:11] <QueenVee> [15:59] <QueenVee> first of all, i'd like to discuss the different kinds of "networking" that people may be interested in.....
[13:11] <QueenVee> [16:00] <QueenVee> well, at the extreme end of "networking" is people who are looking for others to form communities... right?
[13:11] <QueenVee> [16:01] <QueenVee> and at the lower end would be people who just want to talk to others in their area to exchange information
[13:11] <QueenVee> [16:01] <QueenVee> so i want to lay out on the form the different kinds of networking there could be and ask people to check off which they are interested in....
[13:11] <QueenVee> [16:01] <QueenVee> does that make sense?
[13:11] <DRGREEN> You mean examples as in different catagories between extreme end and lower end?
[13:11] <QueenVee> yep, exactly
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[13:12] <islander> yes here, Even without knowing names or identity, I would like to know how many in my area are participating in discussion and to be able to discuuss and do common research for the area
[13:13] <QueenVee> islander: ok, and what form would contact take, then. would you want to talk to others privately, or would you like to, let's say, arrange to meet them in this room at a certain time....
[13:13] <QueenVee> privately via email, i mean
[13:13] <QueenVee> or MSN messenger, you know....
[13:14] <QueenVee> tex: you missed this question, which i'd really like your response on: [16:05] <QueenVee> okay, let me put it another way, if it were you, what kind of networking would you each be interested in, with others in your area, if any?
[13:14] <islander> a common meeting place and research examples could be referred to at a list of websites for the area, everyone should have a basic webpage hosting setup
[13:14] <DRGREEN> Well, I haven't found anything yet, my mind won't come up with something. You already have it, lower end and extreme end. just talking, or preparing.
[13:15] <QueenVee> islander: okay, that's not a realistic assumption. what i can offer is a page on the website where such material can be referred....
[13:15] <DRGREEN> You could do specifics on specialized farming, or housing, or transport, but then there have to be a lot of visitors.
[13:16] <tex-at-work> can i read it when i get home and respond
[13:16] <QueenVee> what do you mean by "do specifics"?
[13:17] <DRGREEN> What do you not understand?
[13:17] <raincity> The networking aspect of the site should probably be a directory listing--at minimum.
[13:17] <QueenVee> islander: okay, help me out here. let's do hypothetical. if you were filling out such a form, what would you put under "type and nature of networking/communication desired"?
[13:18] <QueenVee> raincity: yep, that's what it is going to be
[13:18] <QueenVee> raincity: what we're talking about right now is what the "form" of the directory listing should consist of
[13:18] <QueenVee> in otherwords, what would you want to list about yourself in such a listing, and be able to read about others in such a listing?
[13:18] <DRGREEN> Wait a minute, the latest posts I do not understand at all.
[13:18] <DRGREEN> directory?
[13:18] <QueenVee> right now we're just talking about  "type and nature of networking/communication desired"?
[13:19] <QueenVee> DrGreen: just means that each person will have a page in a "directory" on the site that can be accessed and read by others
[13:19] <islander> individuals could do direct references to the sites in the chat, there will probably be a levels of info eg safe locations in area discussion re eq faults, geology, water hazard,  future potentials such as crops baesed on new geography...mainly by categorizations
[13:20] <QueenVee> islander: you're not answering my question on type of networking and communication....
[13:20] <QueenVee> references to what sites?
[13:20] <QueenVee> in the chat?
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[13:21] <QueenVee> we're talking about a page on a website that lists information about a person seeking to network with others in their area
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[13:21] <Dsarith> This is an excellent idea QV
[13:21] <QueenVee> there's no "chat" involved
[13:21] <QueenVee> no websites
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[13:21] <QueenVee> just a clear statement of the kind of networking and communication one is seeking with others in their area
[13:22] <QueenVee> so, again: can you tell me what you yourself might put under the category on your page?
[13:22] <obany> well as long as it's not about well making ones survival site known to others .. you never know what people you could talk to online that is ... but nevertheless it's a interresting idea
[13:22] <raincity> The member listing should probably include location, contact info, resources the member feels he can contribute to preperation, and a small self-written bio.
[13:22] <QueenVee> obany: i already discussed that with you before, remember?
[13:23] <QueenVee> raincity: great. now what about the question at hand: type and nature of networking and communication with others in your area?
[13:23] <DRGREEN> I'm sorry, my mind and understanding have both left me. I'm going to play some rollercoastertycoonII. See ya all, best to you.
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[13:23] <islander> example: do you have info to offer on climate projections, crops exepected, soil conditions, that go beyond what is covered in TT
[13:23] <Dsarith> Skill Sets... Yes?
[13:24] <obany> i remember something like that yes, queenvee but it has been a while ago since we discussed that
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[13:24] <QueenVee> islander: and if they do? WHAT TYPE AND NATURE ORF NETWORKING AND COMMUNICATION? i.e. email? chatroom? phone? letters?
[13:24] <raincity> Maybe there should be categories...like "looking to form a survival group", "looking to exchange shelter ideas", etc.
[13:25] <raincity> Each member should be able to add the contact means that he/she is comfortable with.
[13:25] <QueenVee> okay, so please tell me what you yourself would put as the contact means you would feel most comfortable with -- why is that such a hard question?
[13:25] <raincity> example: email, IRC handle, ICQ number...
[13:25] <Dsarith> Email would be the most common
[13:26] <raincity> Well, I prefer email and IRC
[13:26] <islander> i think it is all about exchange, but my suspicions arise here, STO,STS conflicts give before recieve etc. I personally may not be willing to put up the neon lights saying here I am. yet
[13:26] <BoY> ah , c o n t a c t
[13:26] <tex-at-work> i would prefer email... then i decided to give our more info to a person i would
[13:26] <QueenVee> islander: okay, so how would having a directory page be putting up neon lights saying i am here?
[13:27] <QueenVee> would anybody see themselves as saying "let's email each other to set up a time to meet in the #poleshiftdiscussion chat room"?
[13:27] <islander> I would prefer a low level of contact, such as I have a concept for a house, a farm , greenhouse an energy source that is based on what is available locally
[13:28] <islander> email is good
[13:28] <QueenVee> islander: please define low level of contact? are you saying you want to exchange information on your concept for the house?
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[13:29] <islander> why not, its good to share the ideas and research
[13:30] <tex-at-work> i have a question QV
[13:30] <QueenVee> shoot
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[13:30] <QueenVee> hello iggy
[13:30] <QueenVee> what brings you to this room iggy?
[13:31] <tex-at-work> of the people in this room right now... have been here and seeing where people are from have actually exchanged an email address with someone
[13:31] <iggy> hello
[13:31] <iggy> i was at the zeta talk website
[13:31] <QueenVee> tex: yeah, what's the question....
[13:31] <tex-at-work> see above
[13:31] <QueenVee> iggy: how long have you been aware of the poleshift and zetatalk?
[13:32] <islander> QV: the directory could be as simple as my IRC nickname and hoemtown or area and interests
[13:32] <QueenVee> tex: well, grammatically the sentence is a statement, but i see now you meant it as a question: how many people have exchanged email addresses with each other, yes?
[13:32] <tex-at-work> yes.. sorry QV
[13:33] <QueenVee> islander: i won't allow people to post their hometowns, for security reasons.....
[13:33] <iggy> just recently
[13:33] <QueenVee> just nearest large urban centre
[13:33] <islander> perhaps areas then in a general sense
[13:33] <QueenVee> iggy: well, this room is for people who have already quite familiar with zetatalk and want to discuss serious preparation for the May2003 poleshift....
[13:33] <Dsarith> QV: I was just going to say areas... Like North Texas
[13:33] <QueenVee> Dsarith: yes, exactly
[13:33] <BoY> lol
[13:34] <QueenVee> Boy: why are you laughing?
[13:34] <iggy> i want to learn
[13:34] <QueenVee> learn about what?
[13:34] <BoY> i'd bet <Dsarith> is in n. texas
[13:34] <iggy> zetatalk and the impending poleshift
[13:34] <Dsarith> Yes, yes I am :-)
[13:34] <iggy> does nancy chat on here or on #troubled_times?
[13:34] <BoY> :)
[13:35] <Monk> #zetatalk and here
[13:35] <QueenVee> Iggy: well, this is not the place to get basic information about zetatalk and the inpending poleshift. you need to thoroughly read the zetatalk site and come back here when you have absorbed all of the information available there. Nancy does a saturday zetatalk chat here.
[13:36] <iggy> i have read a TON
[13:36] <QueenVee> Iggy: so what are you doing to prepare for the poleshift?
[13:36] <iggy> i am a voracious reader - i've gotten the gist
[13:36] <iggy> i lived on a farm
[13:36] <iggy> so i am ok
[13:36] <iggy> err - live
[13:37] <QueenVee> have you read the basics on zetatalk about how to prepare?
[13:37] <iggy> yup
[13:37] <QueenVee> so what specific information are you looking for that's not available on the ZT website?
[13:37] <BoY> there r no guarantees
[13:38] <QueenVee> who said there were, boy?
[13:38] <Dsarith> Nor safe place :(
[13:38] <QueenVee> true, no safe places
[13:39] <iggy> hrm, nothing specific at the moment
[13:39] <iggy> i am just curious
[13:39] <QueenVee> well, this is a room for people who are more than just curious, who are taking steps to prepare for the poleshift and want to talk to others who are doing the same
[13:40] <iggy> ok, i'm not trying to intruse
[13:40] <iggy> err, intrude
[13:40] <QueenVee> you might be more interested in #troubled_times or monk's room called #god... which are more general discussion
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[13:40] <QueenVee> anyways, back to the directory form....
[13:40] <QueenVee> you've given me some good feedback on that....
[13:40] <BoY> #god is dead now
[13:40] <BoY> :")
[13:41] <QueenVee> i think there should also be a section where people can just write whatever about themselves....
[13:41] <QueenVee> is there anything that you think should be compulsory?
[13:41] <QueenVee> i.e. without which the directory listing doesn't go up?
[13:41] <obany> this is a channel that well isn't just for people who are curious, it's for people who well consider a pole shift as a real event, or for those who take it serious
[13:41] <Monk> well I thought what you had on your webpage when it first was up was really cool
[13:42] <iggy> i understand - i take it very serious
[13:42] <Monk> we were able to instant message people and have our info in our profiles
[13:42] <QueenVee> monk: i've explained that the software with that doesn't work properly. get over it.l
[13:42] <QueenVee> unless, of course, you're willing to write me some software script that does work?
[13:43] <QueenVee> i have to make do with what i've got
[13:44] <QueenVee> the site will feature a 'NETWORKING WITH OTHERS" link that will lead to a page listing GEOGRAPHIC AREAS....
[13:44] <QueenVee> click on that and you will find listed alphabetically, the pages of people in that area who are looking to network with others....
[13:44] <QueenVee> click on a person's link, and it will lead to their page
[13:45] <islander> QV: re directory, anyone participating should be willing to offer something, ideas or info or time to research and perhaps willing to list email with you, as long as a spammer doesn't get it
[13:45] <QueenVee> pretty straightforward and uncomplicated
[13:45] <QueenVee> islander: yes, i'm thinking that a "what i have to contribute" kind of section should be filled in, compulsory -- what do you think?
[13:45] <islander> perhaps when info is offered an individual gets access to others in the area
[13:46] <islander> there needs to be some sort of filter or the lazy will take over
[13:46] <QueenVee> mmmmmm, okay, let me give you my thoughts on that....
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[13:47] <QueenVee> i don't have the ability to put a password on that section or anything, but....
[13:48] <QueenVee> i was thinking of having a central email address as the "reply" address for everyone, one that only i have access to....
[13:48] <islander> sounding good
[13:48] <QueenVee> and i would only pass on replies to those who also have put up a profile
[13:48] <QueenVee> yes?
[13:48] <Monk> Queenvee: Ill look into it about the script and all Ill talk to ralf about what the server is capitable of
[13:48] <QueenVee> ok monk, great
[13:48] <QueenVee> i would discourage people from putting in their own emails, but they can if they want....
[13:49] <QueenVee> but then, they accept the consequences of that....
[13:49] <islander> security and listing can be put on directory structures as an idea
[13:49] <QueenVee> islander: please rephrase that sentence, i have no idea what it means
[13:49] <islander> perhaps the directories are by area?
[13:50] <QueenVee> yes, i stated that above, they will be by area
[13:50] <islander> master directory and local area is a subdirectory, if you're in the group you know the address if not... no access
[13:50] <obany> QueenVee: i agree then better make a yahoo addy or something else .. at lyocs or so there is enough
[13:51] <QueenVee> on the security question: let's say ralf or someone were able to put a password entry only on the directory section..... that password can easily be given out to the wrong people, and doesn't REALLY provide protection
[13:51] <QueenVee> so i favour the central email address idea myself
[13:51] <QueenVee> islander: mmmm, what about people who are looking to move from one area to another and want to talk to others in the area they are planning to move to?
[13:52] <islander> if it's by address and the area has a problem the address changes, just have to figure out who's behavin...
[13:52] <islander> the contact a central "queenvee" for a reference
[13:53] <QueenVee> islander: you are new here and don't know th extent to which the debunkers will go to invade people's privacy....
[13:53] <QueenVee> obany: tell him....
[13:53] <BoY> lol
[13:53] <QueenVee> they're crazy people, obssessed
[13:53] <islander> that's always my suspicion, that's why low level, low tech contacvt is needed
[13:53] <obany> they would do anything to get your adresss
[13:54] <obany> if they consider it nessacery for their debunking "shit"
[13:54] <islander> or sell it to a spammer
[13:54] <QueenVee> so i think a trustworthy go between is the only way (i'm speaking about my own trustworthy self, of course)
[13:54] <islander> of course
[13:54] <QueenVee> :-)
[13:54] <islander> anyone else jump in here
[13:55] <QueenVee> lol
[13:55] <obany> better be safe then sorry, and put as little personal info on as you know
[13:55] <iggy> thank you for letting me listen in - i gotta scoot
[13:55] <QueenVee> well, trust me; there are many who will tell you what a bitch i am, but no one who will question my trustworthiness
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[13:56] <QueenVee> okay, this gives me a lot to work with
[13:56] <QueenVee> i've learned over the years that it's easier to start with a well thought out and workable system, than to have to revamp it later
[13:57] <islander> another idea.... everyone here is identified by Nick, should we keep it at that for public, share only wth QV
[13:57] <islander> directory listing can be by time of area discussion, that way only need to poll for a common access time
[13:57] <QueenVee> well, i've of two minds about that....
[13:58] <QueenVee> okay, question: what do you see as a drawback to using your online nick in the directory listing?
[13:59] <islander> i'm exposed at that level right now
[13:59] <QueenVee> oh! here's another thing i considered, but i'm not sure.....
[13:59] <QueenVee> do we really want people putting up and responding to profiles that have never even been to this chat room?
[13:59] <obany> well if you are online they could well get your IP adres, if your host and ident are well known, then there is the whois ... even on IRC you can get tracked easisly
[13:59] <QueenVee> should a visit to the chatroom be a requirement?
[14:00] <islander> oui
[14:00] <QueenVee> or maybe a section on the listing that answers the question "Are you a regular participant in the SHIFT2003 Chat Room?"
[14:01] <islander> the first level of screening may be by the type of participation taht is "demonstrated"
[14:01] <QueenVee> some cannot access the chat room for various reasons....
[14:02] <QueenVee> mmmm, yes, maybe the first step is to visit the chatroom and ask queenvee to send you a form....
[14:02] <Dsarith> QV: I am assuming you will be screening before posting to web
[14:02] <QueenVee> and i can make exceptions for those who cannot access the chat room for various reasons
[14:02] <QueenVee> Dsarith: you bet!
[14:03] <QueenVee> no weirdos or nutbars
[14:03] <Dsarith> Then maybe for people you do not recognize, have them do a little synopsis of what the poleshift is about.
[14:03] <Dsarith> It will tell you if they are in the right frame of mind
[14:04] <Dsarith> retract
[14:04] <QueenVee> lol -- a quiz!
[14:04] <QueenVee> hahahaha
[14:04] <Dsarith> Doesnt really get rid of the debunkers does it :-)
[14:04] <islander> ... form request by direct email to queenvee stating " I want to participate"?
[14:05] <QueenVee> islander: okay, but what about the compulsory visit to the chatroom for those who have never been here?
[14:06] <islander> perhaps it all comes down to "by example" do you want to be checking references for the next six months? all new individuals announce themselves and participate, loitering doesn't get you anywhere, is there opinion from the others here?
[14:07] <Dsarith> I am too new to give opinions :(
[14:07] <QueenVee> well, let's start at the beginning:
[14:07] <QueenVee> i have a mailing list of about 200 people who have either been to this chatroom at least once, or who i have communicated with....
[14:08] <QueenVee> i was planning to send all of them a form to be filled out should they want to participate....
[14:08] <QueenVee> those people will be ok....
[14:09] <QueenVee> it's then just a question of who wants to participate after that
[14:09] <QueenVee> i think i'll just say: contact QV by email, and then use my discretion
[14:10] <QueenVee> sound reasonable?
[14:10] <Dsarith> Yes, yes it does
[14:11] <QueenVee> phew. ok.
[14:11] <Dsarith> Assuming that I am a reasonable person 8-O
[14:12] <islander> yes it does, if you don't announce your intention or method then it will be harder for debunkers to manipulate
[14:12] <QueenVee> Dsarith: well, now you can see the  reasoning and necessity of my taking a hardline in here...
[14:12] <QueenVee> exactly
[14:12] <Dsarith> I do see your point
[14:13] <Dsarith> err position
[14:13] <QueenVee> we really want to discourage lazy people who just want to hook up with someone already prepared when the time comes....;
[14:13] <Dsarith> Has this group been crossed with debunkers in the past
[14:14] <QueenVee> been crossed with?
[14:14] <QueenVee> what do you mean?
[14:14] <Monk> they get baned fast if thats what u mean
[14:14] <Dsarith> Coming in to disrupt the discussion verses helping with them
[14:14] <QueenVee> lol -- yes
[14:15] <QueenVee> i have a large ban list
[14:15] <QueenVee> and there's really no room for them to even get started in here anymore
[14:15] <QueenVee> see, there's a method to my madness....
[14:15] <Monk> they dont even bother to come anymore
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[14:16] <QueenVee> you still get the odd one....
[14:16] <QueenVee> who wants to come in here and tell us why they think it's all a crazy idea
[14:16] <QueenVee> but lately there's been more of a problem with wannabe gurus who claim to have either more accurate or additional information than that provided by zetatalk.....
[14:17] <Dsarith> No way!
[14:17] <QueenVee> yes way!
[14:17] <Dsarith> They come in and tell you what?
[14:17] <QueenVee> yes, quite regularly
[14:18] <QueenVee> they say, oh, i'm not arguing with anything zetatalk says, but MY aliens have told me more, and i want to share it with you....
[14:18] <QueenVee> buh bye
[14:18] <Dsarith> lol
[14:19] <QueenVee> this morning we had a charming person who just wanted to talk to nancy, and tell us about how people have been trying to kill her because of what she knows about the poleshift
[14:19] <Dsarith> No Way!
[14:19] <Dsarith> How did I miss that?
[14:19] <QueenVee> stick around, and you too can enjoy the entertainment
[14:20] <Dsarith> That is why you talk to everyone who enters the room
[14:20] <Dsarith> and send them on their way
[14:20] <QueenVee> uh huh
[14:20] <Dsarith> Makes more sense now
[14:21] <QueenVee> well, my poor little doggie is asking to go out now....
[14:21] <QueenVee> so i have to disappear for a while
[14:21] <QueenVee> see you later
[14:21] <Dsarith> Ok see you all later cuz I must go too
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[14:22] <islander> appreciate the discussion bye all
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[14:24] <Zetapal> Anybody here want either of the Nancy interviews on Art Bell,I have them on mp3 for the asking! So long as you DCC recieve works.  :)
[14:25] <Zetapal> I also have the following:
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Session Close: Wed Dec 18 14:33:01 2002

Session Start: Wed Dec 18 14:38:05 2002
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
[14:38] * Now talking in #poleshiftdiscussion
[14:38] * Topic is 'Preparation for MAY2003 POLESHIFT & AFTERTIME, for those familiar with and serious about ZetaTalk (newcomers please read www.ZetaTalk.com for answers to basic questions). For debate about the validity of ZetaTalk go to #troubled_times.'
[14:38] * Set by ChanServ on Sat Dec 14 14:51:36
[14:38] -ChanServ- (#poleshiftdiscussion) Welcome to the SHIFT2003 CHAT ROOM. Moderator: QueenVee59@hotmail.com. Website: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com
[14:38] * raincity is now known as raincityAFK
[14:56] <Monk> hi zetapal
[14:56] <Zetapal> hey Monk how are you?
[14:56] <Monk> doing great
[14:56] <Monk> you ?
[14:57] <Zetapal> very well thanks
[14:58] <Monk> anything going on today
[14:58] <Zetapal> here? not much
[14:59] <Zetapal> i've got the following up for anyone who wants it:
[15:01] <Monk> ?
[15:02] <Zetapal> did some of that get cut off Monk?
[15:03] <Monk> all of it did
[15:03] <Monk> <Zetapal> i've got the following up for anyone who wants it:
[15:03] <Monk> after that didn't hear nothing
[15:03] <Zetapal> hm ok let me try again in short form:
[15:03] <Zetapal> For those of you who missed it, Art Bell rebroadcasted one of his best interviews, ever, the other night; the one with Malachi Martin (now deceased) a catholic priest.
[15:04] <Zetapal>  A very sincere man as you will be able to tell from the interview, he was a higher up among the preists and had an audience with the pope. Martin was an exorcist for the catholic church and one of a very few
[15:04] <Monk> I listened to it last night
[15:04] <Zetapal> who claims to have read the third secret of fatima. In this interview he tells what that is, and yes it does fit in with what the zetas have predicted.An excellent interview that will send chills up your spine as it did Art's. I have it on mp3 for any who want it. :)
[15:04] <Zetapal> oh ok
[15:08] <tied2> I want it
[15:08] <Zetapal> ok tied2 standby...
[15:09] <Zetapal> its 8 files, 7 meg each
[15:10] <Monk> zp I didn't hear the first 45 minutes of it
[15:10] <Monk> can u send me the first file ?
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[15:16] <Monk> hi fetus
[15:16] <fetus> hello monk
[15:17] <Monk> hows it going
[15:21] <fetus> pretty good...boss let me go early for no apparent reason....I'm happy :)
[15:23] <Monk> :)
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[15:32] <Monk> hi wg
[15:32] <WG> HI all
[15:33] <WG> a bit quiet here ...
[15:34] <Monk> is this your first time here?
[15:35] <WG> no, I joined the group Monday. Yesterday I had a good chat with cmell and others.
[15:35] <Monk> your serious about zetatalk ?
[15:35] <Monk> and the poleshift in 2003 ?
[15:36] <WG> I never drop a piece of information, but I also take everything with a grain of salt. Precaution ...
[15:36] * Queen-away is now known as QueenVee
[15:37] <QueenVee> WG: best to be prepared for all eventualities, not just one
[15:37] <WG> I am still skeptical about the date 2003, things should be happing much faster.
[15:37] <obany> WG
[15:37] <WG> It is hard to be prepared for everything. You know, there so many prophecies out there, with different dates
[15:37] <QueenVee> WG: remind me where you are again....
[15:38] <WG> I am from Brazil
[15:38] <QueenVee> oh yes, i remember
[15:39] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p169.htm
[15:39] <WG> cmell told me to not make too much fun about soccer ... :)
[15:41] <QueenVee> that's an excellent link, obany
[15:41] <QueenVee> WG: what specifically do you think should be "happening much faster"?
[15:41] <obany> QueenVee: it's from the sessions
[15:42] <obany> and yes it's a good link
[15:42] <QueenVee> obany: yes, i know; i mean it is a very appropriate one....
[15:42] <obany> yes.
[15:43] <QueenVee> WG: what do you think should be happening much faster?
[15:43] <WG> See, we are only 5 months away from the big event, PX allegedly is approaching very fast. It should be seen now, without any doubt. Also the quakes should be stronger now, like the volcanoes.
[15:44] <WG> ... but the earth changes, although perceptible, are not pacing the approach of PX. It has to be seen soon.
[15:44] <QueenVee> the quakes ARE stronger, and the volcanos ARE more active, as predicted by ZT.....
[15:44] <QueenVee> why do you think PX should be seen in the sky by now, with the naked eye?
[15:45] <QueenVee> everything is proceeding EXACTLY  as ZT said it would
[15:45] <QueenVee> why do you expect a different schedule?
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[15:45] <QueenVee> hi rn
[15:45] <rnthomas> howdy...
[15:45] <WG> yes, but nothing out of ordinary, this is the point. Nothing like a 8g Richter, something like that. I am not saying about the populace been able to see PX with naked yes (they wouldn` be able to discern the difference between it and an ordinary red star).
[15:46] <QueenVee> WG: ZT never said there would be 8 Richter quakes at this point....
[15:46] <QueenVee> so why do you expect them?
[15:46] <WG> but other astronomical entities around the world should be spotting it now. And don` t blame NASA for it.
[15:47] <QueenVee> if they are looking for it....
[15:47] <QueenVee> so at what point will you start to prepare for the poleshift, WG?
[15:48] <WG> pole shifts have been predicted by many different sources, not only the zetas. I`ve spent nearly 25 years studying prophecies. Many predict the very same scenario as told by the zetas, but to different dates.
[15:48] <WG> QV, my common sense will tell me when the moment is due. I have a scape route in my mind, it would take a few days to move
[15:49] <QueenVee> but this is a chatroom about the ZT predictions, and everythng is proceeding as ZT predicted...
[15:49] <QueenVee> what others have predicted doesn't enter into it
[15:50] <WG> QV, are you trying to tell me that we must accept everything from ZT without questioning? Without even crossing the info with other sources?
[15:51] <QueenVee> no, you are arguing that it isn't happening fast enough, as that were "proof" that the ZetaTalk date is wrong.... but ZT has not been proved wrong to date....
[15:51] <QueenVee> things are happening exactly as ZT said it would
[15:51] <QueenVee> at any rate, clearly you don't see the need to prepare right now, so....
[15:53] <QueenVee> since this is a chatroom for people who are seriously preparing -- and since you do not see the need to prepare right now -- i can't help wondering -- why are you here?
[15:54] <WG> I am here to exchange ideas with intelligent people, who understand that big events are about to occur. Ordinary people are too grounded to rise their head above their daily life.
[15:55] <QueenVee> ideas about what?
[15:55] <WG> but exchange ideas not necessarily means to agree, but put your beliefs on proof.
[15:56] <QueenVee> so you are here only to talk about your doubts about the date....
[15:57] <WG> I am here to talk about my uncertainties, and to hear about your certainties ...
[15:57] * Looking up WG user info...
[15:57] <QueenVee> well, WG, this is not what this chatroom is for. i suggest you try #troubled_times, where people go to discuss their uncertainties about the poleshift.
[15:58] <QueenVee> do you remember reading this when you entered the room?  * Topic is 'Preparation for MAY2003 POLESHIFT & AFTERTIME, for those familiar with and serious about ZetaTalk (newcomers please read www.ZetaTalk.com for answers to basic questions). For debate about the validity of ZetaTalk go to #troubled_times.'
[15:59] <QueenVee> you will be very welcome here if and when you feel that it is time to prepare and discuss serious preparation. but in the meantime, this is not the chatroom you are looking for.
[15:59] <obany> nite goodnight take care
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[15:59] <QueenVee> bye obany
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[16:02] <WG> do you mind if I stay here just to listen to you guys?
[16:02] <QueenVee> why do you want to do that?
[16:02] <WG> again, in order to make a ground judgement, you have to hear from e