Session Start: Sat Dec 21 00:00:00 2002
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Session Start: Sat Dec 21 00:38:25 2002
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[00:38] * Topic is 'Chat room for those who seriously consider www.ZetaTalk.com and wish to discuss lead-up events and preparation for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime. Others please read site for basic info and/or join #EarthChanges for more general poleshift/PX chat.'
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[04:42] <johnnie5> hello
[04:43] <johnnie5> anyone here?
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[07:01] <ZipsSy> hi all
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[07:06] <Ummite> hello all
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[07:14] <tenshu`zz> i'm heading out to my dad's
[07:14] <tenshu`zz> take care
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[07:33] <Ummite> hi Obany
[07:34] <Ummite> i got Bryce
[07:35] <obany> ummite: i used to have it ... bryce 3 on my PC but well not running windows on my own PC .. now behind the PC of my sis
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[07:49] <Ummite> do you want it
[07:49] <alex2221> when nency is going to come here?
[07:50] <Ummite> in 4 hours
[07:50] <Ummite> i think
[07:51] <alex2221> ok
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[08:55] <Ummite> Queen op plz
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[09:40] <Ummite> Queen can you op me plz
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[09:41] <QueenVee> hi ummite
[09:41] <Ummite> how r u?
[09:41] <QueenVee> not so good, i woke up with a bad migraine headache today
[09:41] <Ummite> k
[09:41] <QueenVee> it's getting better but i'm still feeling a bit delicate
[09:42] <Ummite> do you want a good prog
[09:42] <QueenVee> will it help my headache?
[09:42] <QueenVee> hehe
[09:42] <Ummite> the name is Bryce
[09:42] <QueenVee> what does it do?
[09:42] <Ummite> look what i can do whit that
[09:43] <Ummite> it to build pic
[09:44] <Ummite> that is just a test
[09:45] <QueenVee> wow, very nice
[09:45] <Ummite> isint it
[09:45] <Ummite> do you want it
[09:45] <Ummite> i just give it to tied2
[09:45] <QueenVee> no, i don't need it right now.... but thanks....
[09:45] <Ummite> np
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[09:51] <Ummite> hello fetus
[09:51] <Ummite> i have a good prog for you
[09:51] <Ummite> do you know Bryce
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[09:54] <butch> hello everyon
[09:54] <butch> e
[09:56] <QueenVee> hi butch
[09:56] <QueenVee> hi alex
[09:56] <butch> hi QueenVee
[09:57] <alex2221> hi
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[09:59] <Ummite> fetus are you here?
[10:01] <fetus> hi
[10:01] <fetus> bryce eh?
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[10:26] <humvee> Question: Our survival groups have Identified locations in 4 hawaiian Islands that range in height from 1500' to 3500'  above present sea level.  What will the projected height of tidal bore be when the Ocean rushes from one side of the Pacific to the next?
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[10:31] <Ummite> i will be back a little later for the session see ya
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[10:34] <humvee> are questions now being taken  I read  UTC - 10  for my time zone   =  2 hrs to start of session ?
[10:34] <humvee> good morining
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[10:35] <Tcards> hello
[10:36] <humvee> hi
[10:37] <Tcards> is everyone here going to join nancy later then?
[10:38] <humvee> i am do u calculate the start in 2 hrs?
[10:38] <Tcards> yes
[10:38] <Tcards> 20:30 my time
[10:38] <humvee> I am waiting to post a Q
[10:39] <humvee> ur at utc time zone?
[10:39] <Tcards> the UK
[10:39] <humvee> oh great hawaiian islands here
[10:39] <Tcards> nice
[10:39] <Tcards> queenvee is the one to give your questions to I believe
[10:40] <Tcards> you can e-mail them aswell
[10:40] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm updated
[10:41] <humvee> we r trying to find out how high to climb  how bout u & yes  as soon as she say something I will post
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[10:42] <Tcards> you mean to avoid the water?
[10:44] <humvee> yes as tidal bore will be a factor in all low lying areas
[10:45] <Tcards> hawaii isn`t going to do well regardless of water surely - due to all the volcanoes
[10:46] <humvee> they mostly ooze here and some islands have moved off their scorce over time maui could get exciting
[10:46] <obany> Tcards: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx039.htm
[10:47] <Tcards> thnx obany
[10:48] <humvee> yes we read this safe loc 4 hawaii out loud before meals here so know it well as commited to memory by all
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[10:51] <QueenVee> hello TCards
[10:52] <Tcards> hi there Queen
[10:52] <humvee> Question: Our survival groups have identified locations in 4 Hawaiian islands that range from 1500' to 3500' above present sea level.  What will the projected height of tidal bore be when the oceans rush from one side of the Pacific to the next ?
[10:53] <humvee> hi QueenVee
[10:53] <Tcards> have you got much of an agenda for tonight?
[10:53] <QueenVee>  HELLO EVERYONE. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in 2 hrs. This is Question Period, where you have the opportunity to propose questions to be added to the agenda.
[10:54] <QueenVee> Tcards: nope, not yet. taking questions.
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[10:54] <QueenVee> Tcards: have you been to one of nancy's zetatalk sessions before?
[10:54] <Tcards> no, not yet
[10:54] <Tcards> can anyone join?
[10:54] <QueenVee> how long have you been aware of the poleshift and zeteatalk?
[10:55] <QueenVee> humvee: i've added that question to the agenda
[10:56] <Tcards> I had 2010-2012 in mind before I found the zetatalk website about last Feb
[10:56] <humvee> thanks - its still a good morning in this time zone  - good day
[10:56] <Tcards> since then there`s been little doubt
[10:57] <QueenVee> IF ANYONE HAS REGIONAL QUESTIONS: Please find and present the link to what ZT already says about that region (or closest region), then ask a very specific question that the section has not addressed. The "Safe Locations" document can be found here: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm
[10:57] <QueenVee> Tcards: yes, anyone can join in. but questions are not likely to be answered unless they are formally added to the agenda.
[10:58] <Tcards> OK
[10:58] <obany> before i 'disovered' zetatalk i didn't had the  dat in mind... it all kinda started with zetatalk for me so
[10:58] <QueenVee> moderation mode is on while nancy does zetatalk, after which there is opportunity for following comments and questions
[10:58] <obany> anyway TheBadAstronomer this is not the right channel for you
[10:58] <obany> get back to your debunking website ...
[10:59] <Tcards> does moderation mode stop other people from chatting?
[10:59] <QueenVee> Tcards: yes indeed
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[10:59] <QueenVee> hey Michaells
[10:59] <Michaellss> hey there
[10:59] <Michaellss> how ya been
[10:59] <TheBadAstronomer> i like to listen in. As I recall, I've been mentioned in this discussion a few times. Something about a reference to my underwear...
[11:00] <obany> as long as you don't disrupt well then yes .. you could stay in .. but no bashing or stupid comments, leave that on your website NOT here
[11:00] <Michaellss> bbl just checkin in
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[11:01] <TheBadAstronomer> ironically, obany, you just bashed me.
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[11:02] <Tcards> did everyone hear about the northern lights being visible as far south as the equator in some places at the moment?
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[11:03] <ZooSpecimen> woohoo
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[11:03] <QueenVee> for those of you who just entered the room: Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in about 90 minutes. I’m currently considering questions to be added to the agenda.
[11:04] <TheBadAstronomer> for aurorae, check here: http://www.spaceweather.com/ It says there may be big aurorae tonioght
[11:04] <ZooSpecimen> oky-doky :)
[11:04] <QueenVee> Tcards: i hadn't heard that....
[11:04] <QueenVee> Thanks for the link Astronomer
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[11:04] <humvee> BadAstronomer:  skeptics contribute to and are appreciated for their viewpoint by most
[11:05] <TheBadAstronomer> humvee: thank you.
[11:05] <Tcards> also the first ever albino penguin was born in a UK zoo last week
[11:05] <tenshu> hey qv :)
[11:05] <tenshu> just arrived at my dad's house
[11:05] <ZooSpecimen> you get my Q QueenVee?
[11:05] <TheBadAstronomer> anyway, I can't stay, so obany you need not worry. I was curious to see what happens before the chat. I'll read the logs later.
[11:05] <TheBadAstronomer> au revoir
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[11:06] <QueenVee> Zoo: not under your online name. can you tell me what it was about?
[11:07] <ZooSpecimen> great lakes and post pole shift polution
[11:07] <ZooSpecimen> sent it bout 10 min ago
[11:07] <QueenVee> FYI: The SHIFT2003 website ( http://shift2003.kgmweb.com ) will soon be adding a "NETWORK WITH OTHERS" section to help people connect with others in their area -- you would like to be sent further info about that, just give me your email address on a private channel and you will be placed on the mailing list.
[11:08] <QueenVee> IF ANYONE HAS REGIONAL QUESTIONS: Please find and present the link to what ZT already says about that region (or closest region), then ask a very specific question that the section has not addressed. The "Safe Locations" document can be found here: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm
[11:09] <QueenVee> Zoo: yep, got it, hold on....
[11:09] <obany> how do you call those streams in oceans and in the sea, the bring cold or warm water. This also has an affect on the weather. How will this change after the shift ?
[11:10] <Michael> currents
[11:10] <obany> I am not sure how to call those ...
[11:10] <gwilra> I have a potential question, shall I send it now?
[11:10] <Tcards> obany: the noth atlantic drift is one of them
[11:10] <ZooSpecimen> on zt the mention flooding only
[11:10] <ZooSpecimen> they
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[11:11] <obany> but the needle on the record :P
[11:11] <QueenVee> Gwilra: state your question now,here
[11:11] <gwilra> Where is the error?
[11:11] <QueenVee> hold on obany
[11:11] <Needle> and the rap beat goes like this
[11:11] <Needle> haha
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[11:14] <QueenVee> hi mike. i'm currently accepting questions for the agenda.
[11:14] <obany> QueenVee: i will be back in a like a minut
[11:14] <QueenVee> Zoo: i've rephrased your question as follows. let me know if it's okay:
[11:14] <QueenVee> It seems likely that the destruction of large industrial cities surrounding the Great Lakes will cause the Lakes to be heavily polluted by industrial poisons after the shift. Unlike waters on the ocean coasts, the waters of the Great Lakes are shallow and enclosed. Will the pollution stay localized or will it dispurse? How soon after the shift will the Lakes’ fish and water be safe to consume? Will some of the Lakes fare better than othe
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[11:14] <ZooSpecimen> looks good!
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[11:15] <QueenVee> Holly: Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in about 80 minutes. I’m currently considering questions to be added to the agenda.
[11:15] <QueenVee> GWILRA: Please state your question.
[11:15] <holly> thanks
[11:16] <QueenVee> gsw11: Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in about 80 minutes. I’m currently considering questions to be added to the agenda.
[11:16] <gsw11> thx
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[11:19] <SteveH> hello
[11:19] <ZooSpecimen> hi
[11:19] <obany> Hello SteveH
[11:19] <obany> good job on the pics
[11:19] <SteveH> :)
[11:19] <obany> i noticed your posting to sci.astro also
[11:19] <humvee> when I click on the link "Moved" on the rogue planet link 4 12/13 sightings I just get an ERROR 404 message should be fixed
[11:19] <QueenVee> hey Steve!
[11:19] <SteveH> there has been an explosion of px related posts
[11:19] <obany> and Michael C and the likes saying it are just blobs and noise, go figure
[11:20] <SteveH> I guess that's the best they can think of
[11:20] <obany> Indeed
[11:20] <humvee> one man's blobs r anothers blessings
[11:20] <SteveH> hehe
[11:20] <Michael> that's what I see
[11:21] <obany> moment again
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[11:22] <holly> has anyone ask as to the zeta time vs our time, as in the question. Our one hour is the same as your one hour?
[11:22] <QueenVee> Michael: Please note that any questions about PX sightings/pics are to be asked during Nancy's ZetaTalk Session in the #zetatalk channel, following this one. If you ask such questions during this session, you will be booted.
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[11:23] <Michael> I'm aware of your protcol Vee
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[11:23] <QueenVee> thanks, Michael
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[11:24] <obany> SteveH: any more info that will come up or still researching the pictures and sums
[11:24] <obany> ?
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[11:27] <SteveH> ahhh... there is so much new stuff in the images I'm trying not to over analzye it. Basically I'm satisfied that there is numerous new objects at the coordinates
[11:27] <obany> SteveH: i noticed that too, the moons and the dust
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[11:27] <Michael> which images are you stacking together Steve?
[11:28] <SteveH> all of the Dec 14 images and all the Dec 13 images except #15 which had some "hopping"
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[11:29] <Michael> ok
[11:30] <sundar> QueenVee, Questions to nancy: How safe the drinking water will be after poleshift (considering the iron oxide deposits) and what will be the effects of drinking such poiosoned water?  Which areas of earth will have lean atmosphere so as to cause radiation illnesses? Recently people throughout the world are having step (throat) infections, is this a combined act of establishments to weaken and silence the public?
[11:30] <gwilra> QV:  were you asking me to restate my question as I had posted it about 5 minutes ago?
[11:30] <Michael> just curious Steve, are you planning on upgrading your software to get away from the free viwers?
[11:30] <QueenVee> gwilra: i missed your question, so could you re-post it, please... thanks
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[11:31] <dave7> Gidday Queenvee, there seems to be a bit of uncertainty as to if survivors need to filter rainwater after the shift. As this is very important maybe it could be re-emphasized ?
[11:31] <SteveH> I could order Maxim DL or some other software but would have to wait for it to come in which could take weeks. I used a demo of Maxim DL and it was good, very easy to use but the freeware that is available is also very good
[11:31] <QueenVee> sundar: the following questions about water is already on the agenda. does it adequately state what you want to know about drinking water? How long after the shift will rain water becomes safe to drink again without purification? Though this will obviously vary from region to region (depending on the amount of volcanic ash) are any general pointers that we can be given that might assist us in this regard?
[11:32] <gwilra> Where is the error?
[11:32] <QueenVee> gwilra: there is no error. i didn't see your question and can't find it. so can you please repost it, not rewrite it.
[11:32] <Michael> MaxDL will ship fairly quick in the mail. AIP4WIN also ships quick. Doesn't take weeks.
[11:33] <Michael> They also have the routines to automate your processing
[11:33] <QueenVee> TO EVERYONE ASKING ABOUT DRINKING WATER: The following question is already on the agenda? Is it sufficient or do you want to amend it?
[11:33] <QueenVee> How long after the shift will rain water becomes safe to drink again without purification? Though this will obviously vary from region to region (depending on the amount of volcanic ash) are any general pointers that we can be given that might assist us in this regard?
[11:33] <SteveH> the results turn out pertty much the same for the various software when just the basic processing is done ie, subtracting the dark, bias and flat frames. The raw fits files are available so anyone can use their own software and see the results for themselves
[11:33] <sundar> I had these questions in mind since morning - Its fine if you continue with original one
[11:34] <gwilra> I'm confused.  What is the difference between my reposting it a minute ago, and you statement about not rewriting it?
[11:35] <QueenVee> GWILRA: just give me your question. i missed it and don't have it on my agenda.
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[11:36] <Michael> Steve, the freeware is incomplete as to the detailed instructions as to processing techniques. AIP4WIN is the most complete sinceit ships with a rather thick book explaining each step.
[11:36] <dave7> That question about rainwater should do the trick, thankyou.
[11:36] <SteveH> QueenVee, my change would be to add if just filtering without distilling would still result in slowly becoming poisoned from in. In other words, is distilling absolutely necessary?
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[11:37] <Michael> to get out disolved minerals, distilling is the only way to go
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[11:38] <QueenVee> okay Steve
[11:38] <QueenVee>  To those who just entered the room: Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in about 60 minutes. I’m currently considering questions to be added to the agenda.
[11:38] <QueenVee>  IF YOU HAVE A REGIONAL QUESTION: Please find and present the link to what ZT already says about that region (or closest region), then ask a very specific question that the section has not addressed. The "Safe Locations" document can be found here: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm
[11:39] <cmell> hello all
[11:39] <ZooSpecimen> hi
[11:39] <QueenVee>  WOULD SOMEONE DO ME A FAVOUR -- Find the question posted by Gwilra and repost it here for me....
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[11:39] <Firewater> QueenVee - should I email you my questions or ask through the chat?
[11:40] <QueenVee> Firewater: post your question right now, right here
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[11:40] <SteveH> Michael, regardless of the software you use, the new objects that are showing up on the images will still be there...
[11:40] <Firewater> k
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[11:41] <jason> BOOBIES
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[11:42] <tenshu> =\
[11:42] <cmell> wtf
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[11:43] <gwilra> qv:  did my question come through this time (about two minutes ago).
[11:43] <dave7> Micheal the good filters eliminate 99.7% of lead.
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[11:44] <QueenVee> Gwilra: no, it didn't. did you post it in this room, or privately?
[11:44] <SteveH> dave7, do the higher quality camping water filters that are available also reduce lead?
[11:44] <Firewater> in biblical terms and relating to the 'chakras', if last time we shifted by 'water' (from the sacral chakra), now we're shifted by 'fire' (from the solar plexus chakra), to the heart chakra - the balance which is reached by our spiritual alchemical process....how do the Zetas interpret this?
[11:44] <cmell> gwilra the q was more than 4min ago
[11:44] <gwilra> cmell: thanks as my log reveals it went on line
[11:45] <QueenVee> cmell: i don't know what the hell is going on, but i can't see any question from gwilra. can you please copy and paste it for me?
[11:45] <gwilra> QV: it was sent in this room an estimated 4 minutes ago.
[11:45] <ZooSpecimen> i don't see it either QueenVee
[11:45] <cmell> gwilra plz restate the q ?
[11:45] <dave7> Steve, the cheap ones i.e.3 for $20 (BRITA) filter 97% of lead.
[11:46] <SteveH> that's good news
[11:46] <QueenVee> cmell: don't you see the question?
[11:46] <gwilra> I'll restate the question, by the way is there a word limit for questions?
[11:46] <cmell> no it was before I entered the room :( sorry
[11:46] <QueenVee> GWILRA: OKAY, I KNOW THE PROBLEM
[11:46] <Firewater> QueenVee:did  you get my question?
[11:46] <QueenVee> YOUR QUESTION IS PROBABLY TOO LONG
[11:46] <QueenVee> DITTO TO YOU FIREWATER
[11:47] <QueenVee> Please post your questions one sentence at a time
[11:47] <Firewater> too long? why?
[11:47] <ZooSpecimen> there is no question from gwilra in this room he must have posted it somewhere else
[11:47] <gwilra> Q
[11:47] <QueenVee> GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRR.  Too long for the IRC program. there's a word limit.
[11:47] <Firewater> hm..ok
[11:47] <Jurian> about 230 chars maximum, per line, or the server cuts the rest off
[11:47] <QueenVee> so break it up, give me a sentence at a time
[11:47] <QueenVee> then i will put it together
[11:47] <gwilra> using a globe of the world I took a string and measured off lines of latitude...
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[11:48] <tenshu> <Firewater> in biblical terms and relating to the 'chakras', if last time we shifted by 'water' (from the sacral chakra), now we're shifted by 'fire' (from the solar plexus chakra), to the heart chakra - the balance which is reached by our spiritual alchemical process....how do the Zetas interpret this?]
[11:48] <gwilra> I then moved the string to the extimated new north pole location...l
[11:48] <tenshu> there you go fire
[11:48] <gwilra> the other end of the string was placed over central Minnesota...
[11:48] <dave7> Queenvee, take a deep breath and take your time,dont ley em rattle ya, your doin a fine job.
[11:49] <humvee> ditto
[11:49] <tenshu> ya heeh
[11:49] <gwilra> to our amazement, Minnesota showed less than 15 degrees latitude, actually better than we now have in Florida.
[11:49] <gwilra> Is there something wrong with making an estimated measurement this way?...
[11:49] <QueenVee> Firewater: uh.... on what basis do you claim that we are now being shifted by "fire" rather than "water"....?
[11:50] <gwilra> end of question series.
[11:50] <QueenVee> GWILRA: i see serious of statements that you have posted above. but i don't see any questions.
[11:50] <Firewater> are you familiar with the chakras?
[11:51] <Needle> My brain hurts.
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[11:51] <cmell> gwilra did you measure the distance between the current north and south pole, and then compare that to the alledged new poles ?
[11:51] <gwilra> qv:  Ok I forgot you never saw the first posting.  There seems to be an error in the safe Locations document
[11:51] <Firewater> i sort of figured this out by reading some of Aleister Crowley's works - specifically 'The Book of Thoth', and also reading about the chakras
[11:52] <fetus> How do the zetas feel about Sylvia Brown?..is there any information on zt about her?
[11:52] <QueenVee> GWILRA: that question has been posed again and again, and nancy has explained it again and again -- you are not taking into account the stretching and shrinking of the Atlantic and Pacific plates...
[11:52] <Firewater> and in also reference to the bible
[11:52] <gwilra> Ecuador, by using the same procedure measures out at 40 degrees latitude which contradicts what is said in the safe locations document.   
[11:52] <Firewater> saying next time we will be purified or whatever by fire, instead of last time with water
[11:52] <ZooSpecimen> do you want to know where Minnesota will end up after the shift gwilra?
[11:52] <tenshu> hehe.. dang..
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[11:53] <cmell> hey BC
[11:53] <QueenVee> firewater: sorry, but your question is too theoretical... not practical
[11:53] <BC> hi cmel...
[11:53] <gwilra> Ecuador was my "control" to check the Minnesota radius. Put another way, the new equator using this procedure...
[11:54] <Firewater> because in this past cycle we have been moving through the solar plexus chakra, through fire, by becoming familiar with our Wills and Ego
[11:54] <cmell> what have you been smoking Firewater :)
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[11:54] <Firewater> now by alchemy, by the mixing of water and fire we get air, we move to the heart chakra, to this sacred balance
[11:55] <gwilra> aligns alongside Alberta and Sasktchawan
[11:55] <QueenVee> Firewater: sounds as though you have formed a theory of some sort and just want the zetas to confirm it. sorry, but your question is rejected, not relevant.
[11:55] <Firewater> mothballs
[11:55] <tenshu> heh
[11:55] <ZooSpecimen> Reality can be interpreted in SO many differant ways
[11:55] <cmell> true Zoo
[11:55] <Firewater> not really, i didnt come up with it
[11:55] <Firewater> i got it from buddhism, hinduism, and Aleister Crowley
[11:56] <Firewater> and the Zetas
[11:56] <Firewater> -=]
[11:56] <cmell> the great big melting pot, all over again huh ?
[11:56] <QueenVee> Fetus: i have been considering  adding a question about Sylvia Browne coming out this week on the Art Bell show, talking about earth cataclysms for the first time....
[11:56] <gwilra> qv: It doesn't appear to be a concept that has been discussed before simply because nothing has been said about the south American plate moving and nothing has been said about the North american plate moving either.
[11:57] <Firewater> what does Nancy and the Zetas think of PAOweb?
[11:57] <gwilra> qv: if the plates aren't going to move then, the relative positions of both north america and south america will remain essentially the same as now
[11:57] <QueenVee> Gwilra: it HAS been addressed before. please visit the room sometime during the week and i will find you the relevant material in ZT
[11:58] <fetus> qv: yes i listen last night...it was like a zetatalk that would appeal to a whole different group....and she dosnet see good things in the next few years...she specificly said june/july 2003....bad times.
[11:58] <Firewater> because the Zetas are considering the shift from a seemingly purely scientific and cold viewpoint while the Sirians are considering the shift from a much more spiritual warm perspective
[11:58] <QueenVee> firewater: what the *** is PAOweb?
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[11:58] <gwilra> I've read everything.
[11:58] <Firewater> go to www.paoweb.com
[11:58] <Firewater> there is a huge mailing list that goes out from there
[11:59] <Firewater> Sheldan Nidle is the channeler guy, who supposedly channels the Sirians
[11:59] <gwilra> frankly, i suspect the reason the descriptions appear to conflict is political.
[11:59] <QueenVee> firewater: well, if you can't be bothered to summarize what it's about, why should i be bothered to go there?
[11:59] <Firewater> i could send you the last couple mailings if you would like
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[12:00] <cmell> its a pay site (paoweb)
[12:01] <dave7> Queenvee, is there anything about how the survivors or the ones like us that 'KNOW' can prepare mentally for the 'SHOCK' of whats goin down?
[12:01] <gwilra> qv: thanks for your patience, I will take you up on your invitation later during the week.
[12:01] <fetus> Does Sylvia know about about the poleshift specificly or are her "spirit guides" only giving here half the story?
[12:02] <QueenVee> dave7: that's been asked and addressed
[12:02] <QueenVee> fetus: i'll try to work that into the question, IF i present the question, IF there is time
[12:03] <Firewater> they along with the rest of the Galactic Federation have supposedly been planning out for a while open conscious communication with us, coming 'soon'
[12:03] <fetus> thanks qv...could be for a future session if time runs short.
[12:03] <Firewater> im putting it in very clumsy shallow words though
[12:03] <QueenVee> Firewater: if you find the material convincing, and that is what they are claiming, why do you need to ask the Zetas about it?
[12:03] <Firewater> paoweb? its not a pay site
[12:03] <Firewater> i didnt pay anything
[12:03] <tenshu> i think he's just wondering what they think of it
[12:03] <tenshu> i'm not sure tho.
[12:03] <tenshu> ;)
[12:04] <Firewater> i consdier it just like i consider what the Zetas say
[12:04] <Firewater> i would just like to know their interpretation
[12:04] <QueenVee> well, as anyone who has been following zetatalk for any length of time already knows, nancy does not take those kind of questions anymore
[12:04] <Firewater> im not convinced of anything really
[12:04] <cmell> you can pay for stuff on paoweb, why is that ?
[12:04] <tenshu> books.
[12:04] <gwilra> I have to give Silvia credit, she did remarkably well apparently for one who has not read ZT literature and laid it on the line to tell it all.
[12:04] <Firewater> im just attempting to figure shit out, to put it simply
[12:04] <QueenVee> nancy states over and over again: if you want to know if someone's material is accurate, look to their prediction track record
[12:05] <Firewater> because he has written books
[12:05] <tenshu> sry fire, for jumping in
[12:05] <ZooSpecimen> we all are Firewater
[12:05] <Firewater> which is also following the scientific method
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[12:05] <Firewater> cool
[12:05] <cmell> ok tenshu you'r right
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[12:06] <cmell> sorry for rushing into conclusions
[12:06] <Firewater> rock on Tenshu
[12:06] <Firewater> heh
[12:06] <fetus> sylvia browne is in the 85 to 90% prediction record.
[12:06] <tenshu> hehe
[12:06] <fetus> or something like that
[12:06] <Tcards> hello again
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[12:07] <dave7> Direct the angry ones into doing something useful/be supportive to the stuned zombies/deal with it/be strong so you can be useful to others.
[12:07] <QueenVee> fetus: she states she has that record, but i can find no evidence of it
[12:07] <Firewater> do the Zetas reside in the conscious realm as we do, or just in the unconscious realm?
[12:07] <Firewater> tehe
[12:07] <fetus> me either :p
[12:08] <QueenVee> firewater: how are those kinds of questions and answers going to help you prepare for the poleshift and aftertime? come down to earth for god's sake....
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[12:09] <Firewater> correction: for Krishna's sake
[12:09] <ZooSpecimen> conscious/unconscious is a human thing
[12:09] <Firewater> haha just kidding
[12:09] <Firewater> sort of
[12:09] <cmell> Firewater are you religious ?
[12:09] <obany> Firewater: 4th density ... and contact is remember in the subconsciouss
[12:10] <Firewater> depends what you mean
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[12:10] <Firewater> im a jewish christian hindu buddhist pagan witch muslim
[12:10] <cmell> do you goto church ?
[12:10] <tenshu> and everything in between
[12:10] <johnny> hi all
[12:10] <Firewater> i consider myself an "occultist"
[12:10] <cmell> oh an opportunist
[12:10] <Firewater> just in my pineal gland
[12:10] <Firewater> hey johnny
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[12:11] <cmell> whichever wins and your with THEM
[12:11] <Bailey> firewater, have you been hanging out with metraiha
[12:11] <Firewater> haha, thats funny, yeah i guess you could say that
[12:11] <Firewater> though im a Service-To-Other opportunist
[12:11] <Bailey> metrahia
[12:11] <cmell> :)
[12:11] <Firewater> whos that?
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[12:12] <Bailey> never mind
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[12:12] <|Malakai|> how come the zetas say they cannot intervene with mans progress in any way yet they are telling us about an event that will change mankind forever???
[12:12] <Firewater> okay
[12:13] <QueenVee> Malakai: in what way are they intervening with regards to the poleshift?
[12:13] <JFull> Fire: I would rather say your are a STS antagontis
[12:13] <ZooSpecimen> they can intervene if we give the call
[12:13] <Firewater> its just that time in our menstrual cycle for us to step over to the otherside and unite laterally
[12:14] <Bailey> maitreya- all religions unified
[12:14] <Firewater> okay
[12:14] <QueenVee> JFull: the next person who refers to themself as an STO, or another as an STS is getting kicked. the vast majority of us are UNDECIDED and in no position to be making such statement.
[12:14] <QueenVee> Zoo: the zetas will not be intervening to prevent the poleshift in any way shape or form
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[12:15] <butch> hello everyone
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[12:15] <gwilra> There is great truth in that (re: sto, sts).  I'd like to believe my life has not been wasted...
[12:15] <dave7> Humans do struggle to get on with eachother as these chats confirm. This shift is sure goin to test us.
[12:15] <cmell> hello butch
[12:16] <cmell> n rs
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[12:16] <humvee>  = STQ ?
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[12:16] <cmell> service to questions ?
[12:16] <tenshu> sto
[12:16] <tenshu> oh
[12:16] <humvee> sto/sts/stq
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[12:17] <humvee> service to whom?
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[12:17] <QueenVee> service to querelousness
[12:17] <cmell> don't play with fire
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[12:17] <Domicile> Hello
[12:17] <cmell> hello
[12:17] <johnny> hello
[12:17] <Starstalker> hey
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[12:17] <QueenVee> TO THOSE WHO JUST ENTERED THE ROOM: Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in about 15 minutes. I’m currently considering questions to be added to the agenda.
[12:17] <cmell> hey steveh
[12:18] <humvee> true enough
[12:18] <SteveH> hey
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[12:18] <QueenVee>  IF YOU HAVE A REGIONAL QUESTION: Please find and present the link to what ZT already says about that region (or closest region), then ask a very specific question that the section has not addressed. The "Safe Locations" document can be found here: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm
[12:18] <cmell> any new developments
[12:18] <cmell> ?
[12:18] <tenshu> fire you get my im?
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[12:18] <Firewater> oh, ill check
[12:19] <SteveH> no new devolopements that I'm aware of...
[12:19] <SteveH> there's been bad weather, full moon etc.
[12:19] <cmell> ok, not since the last set of pics :)
[12:20] <Firewater> i do consciouslly agree with QueenVee that most of us are undecided
[12:20] <Firewater> my egoic-self chooses Love and Compassion though
[12:21] <humvee> to be or not to be that is the question
[12:21] <QueenVee> Firewater: do you want to be kicked?
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[12:21] <QueenVee> Doro-Hog asks: This is a sort of a regional question: Are there regional variations in the likelyhood of firestorms form the sky?
[12:21] <cmell> hey newcomers
[12:22] <Firewater> i didnt say i was STO again
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[12:22] <QueenVee> Doro-Hog: yes, those areas that are closest to volcanoes are more likely to experience firestorms
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[12:23] <dave7> Has anyone had any luck warning people about PS? i've given up, they just dont wanna know down here.(Aust.)
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[12:23] <Doro-Hog> QueenVee: ok thanks
[12:23] <cmell> I have the same exp. as you dave7 :(
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[12:23] <QueenVee> dave7: it's extremely difficult to convince people; but we are not necessarily meant to....
[12:23] <ZooSpecimen> same up here dave7 (cabada)
[12:24] <SteveH> many people don't want to hear about such drastic changes
[12:24] <ZooSpecimen> canada
[12:24] <gsw11> people won't believe without evidence
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[12:24] <gwilra> dave7:  I've several years experience advocating un-common positions, and I rarely make a dent when it comes to pole shifts topics.
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[12:24] <obany> Indeed SteveH...
[12:25] <SteveH> I find usually only serious, somber type of people will listen
[12:25] <Eccles_P> dave7:  same here; the lineal increase in quakes, wild weather, etc. may not people notice earth changes until March-April.
[12:25] <IaNZ> Beautiful sunny Sunday morning here again in BOP, NZ
[12:25] <NancyL> ANNOUNCEMENT: Images take on Dec 13-14 have been analyzed and results are 1. white is between Dec 6 and 18th coordinate points (as expected)
[12:25] <gwilra> SteveH: I did find that your photos help a lot, thanks....
[12:25] <cmell> hi NL
[12:25] <ZooSpecimen> thats why i hope for more mass sightings so the topic can be easyer to bring up
[12:25] <humvee> Ive found that if I liten up and just mention the high winds & tides next may people listen & are interested
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[12:26] <NancyL> 2. Red moves slightly over the night depending upon whether scope is pointed toward horizon (SES) or overhead (SWW).
[12:26] <gwilra> humvee: good suggestion, I'll try it
[12:26] <humvee> then wait until they ask u a question till u tell them more - works well so far
[12:26] <sundar> all bull shit in this site
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[12:26] <NancyL> 3. Moons and moon swirl DEFINITELY visible, and one particular moon swirl also moves during the night.
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[12:26] <dave7> Thanks for that feed back enlightened ones.(brothers/sisters)
[12:26] <obany> Yes, Nancy i took a look at the updated sighting page
[12:26] <cmell> I've done a combination without success
[12:26] <sundar> MY LIFE IS SPOILED BECOZ OF THIS SITE
[12:27] <NancyL> 4. Larger, brighter, more pixels involved, etc.
[12:27] <sundar> IM CHATIN WIHT MY HUBBYS ID
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[12:27] <gsw11> is  this seen with telescope?
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[12:28] <NancyL> Gsw11, the amateur equipment used is outlined in the TEAM pages, http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm
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[12:29] <dave7> Poor old Sundar, her life is a mess and she gets kicked as well.
[12:29] <NancyL> Someone sent me math re size and it would seem that at this time Px with moon swirls is only 4% or so Jupiter size, where in Sep 15 was 3%.  
[12:29] <Nightbird> LOL @ Dave
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[12:29] <NancyL> But the size we are seeing is MUCH larger than this!  At least for outlying moons in the tail.
[12:30] <rokkit> some people just dont get the point Dave
[12:30] <obany> And yet there are still those on sci.astro who well say it's just noise.. go figure
[12:30] <NancyL> I'm going to take a look and compares ...
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[12:30] <QueenVee> HI NANCY. JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT ME TO START.
[12:30] <SteveH> ZT says PX moves in faster than what the charts that have been done on TT indicate
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[12:31] <SteveH> so could have moved in much closer over last couple of months
[12:31] <obany> SteveH: that's also what the Zetas said some time ago, that the TT charts are not exactly right
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[12:31] <dave7> Rokkit if they grow some hair on the point, maybe no one will notice.
[12:31] <me> Hi
[12:31] <rokkit> LOL--true!
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[12:32] <phoenix> Hi, me :)
[12:32] <QueenVee> TO THOSE WHO HAVE JUST ENTERED THE ROOM: Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in about five minutes. The Agenda is now closed for new questions. Moderation mode will be on while Nancy does ZT, but there will be opportunity for follow-up questions afterwards.
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[12:33] <dave7> Gidday Nancy, how are you holding up?
[12:33] <QueenVee> brb
[12:33] <cmell> hi Xmas Ralf o<|:)
[12:34] <NancyL> I'm ready, Queen :-)
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[12:34] <cmell> NL I think QV went away for a short while :)
[12:34] <obany> hope this will be a good session
[12:35] <NancyL> I looked at the dots and smudges that have been Px since Sep 21 to Dec 13, and there is NOT all that much of an increase, I guess.
[12:35] <QueenVee> I'M BACK
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[12:35] <NancyL> Perhaps the "almost as large as the Moon" was for Px and near dust cloud, as what we are seeing spread out, is larger, I think.
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[12:36] <QueenVee>  FIRST QUESTION:
[12:36] <NancyL> When it passes, it is described as like a dragon, a fire dragon, so it may be the tail is longer than the "moon' size we have been using, etc.
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[12:36] <QueenVee>  PREAMBLE: It seems likely that the destruction of large industrial cities surrounding the Great Lakes (and similar kinds of lakes) will cause them to be heavily polluted by industrial poisons after the shift. Unlike waters on the ocean coasts, the waters of the Great Lakes are shallow and enclosed.
[12:36] <QueenVee>  QUESTION: Will the pollution stay localized or will it dispurse? How soon after the shift will the Lakes’ fish and water be safe to consume? Will some of the Lakes fare better than others?
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[12:37] <NancyL> ZT: Pollution can be viewed from several angles.
[12:37] <NancyL> ZT: The bottle of chlorine, considered poison, if poured in a pool will create havoc, but this is a LOCAL reaction.
[12:38] <NancyL> ZT: Some pollution, like PCB's, that are long lived and continuously effect, anew, whatever they contact, are MORE than a single pollutant, they are an endless pollutant, or so to speak.
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[12:38] <NancyL> ZT: But others engage in chemical reactions, and thus are self limited.
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[12:39] <NancyL> ZT: Some heavy metals also effect the area only for a short time, then go where heavy metals DO, get burried, or trapped in a chemical bond, to be where they were when mankind first discovered them and engaged them in industrial uses.
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[12:40] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, when mankind looks upon industrial poisons, maintained in tanks, they assume a permanent cesspool, but this is not always the case.
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[12:40] <NancyL> ZT: Were the contents of all these tanks to mix, there would be gasses, explosions, and eventually the mix returns to what nature does with these chemicals in the first place.
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[12:41] <NancyL> ZT: The cave man found the Earth is a state, and this state would be achieved in short order if all the poisons in tanks were left to mix freely.
[12:42] <NancyL> ZT: Even radioactivity is only a poison because mankind GATHERED it together, and if allowed to disburse, would be as the cave man found it.
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[12:43] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, where we are advising that mankind NOT linger about industrial sites for the shift, nor settle there afterwards, this is not to say that these poisons will retain their impact for long.
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[12:43] <NancyL> ZT: Especially where not trapped in small pools, and by this we mean pools, not lakes.
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[12:44] <NancyL> ZT: Try an experiment.  Take the chemicals you fear, that exist in your local industrial park, and mix them together in a fish tank.
[12:44] <NancyL> ZT: This must be porportional to the nearby lake of river, to be properly diluted.
[12:44] <NancyL> ZT: Add fish, and see what happens!  You may be surprised to find that your chemicals, combined, reduce each other's impact!  
[12:45] <NancyL> ZT: These noxious chemicals were once non-noxious, in nature, and find their way there again.
[12:45] <NancyL> End ZT on this matter, followup?
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[12:45] <cmell> I'n regard to pollution, how will powerplants fare during the shift, first will they be operating , or in other words specifically, will nuclear powerplants continue to operate during and after the shift (even without personel) ?
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[12:45] <Jurian> You may also be surprised to find that some react violently, and create deadly gasses. Be VERY carefull if messing with chemicals! DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME
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[12:46] <SteveH> cmell, all industrial applications will fail, across the board
[12:46] <NancyL> CMell, the Z's have said that the quakes will disrupt nuclear plants, so they should be shut down before hand.  NO power plants will be operating after the shift, due the quake force, etc.
[12:46] <cmell> ok thx
[12:46] <bearz> How do we get the word to the power plant operators?
[12:47] <NancyL> Jurian, yes, one should know what they are doing, with chemical mixing about, etc.
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[12:47] <obany> cmell: and that's on zetatal for some time now about the nuclear planets for what i remember
[12:47] <NancyL> Bearz, that is up to YOU.  Take action!
[12:47] <QueenVee>  NEXT QUESTION:
[12:47] <cmell> ok, sorry
[12:47] <QueenVee>  PREAMBLE: Our survival group hsd identified locations in 4 Hawaiian islands that range from 1500' to 3500' above present sea level. QUESTION: What will the projected height of tidal bore be when the oceans rush from one side of the Pacific to the next ?
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[12:48] <NancyL> ZT: Tidal bore is present when the water has NO WHERE to go but up.
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[12:49] <NancyL> ZT: This happens when a large wave approaches a cliff, along a land mass that prevent the water from ANY escape.
[12:49] <NancyL> ZT: For instance, along the western coast of Peru.
[12:50] <NancyL> ZT: Water then must either push sideways, encountering water under just as much pressure, or back, likewise not possible given the press.
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[12:50] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, the LEAST resistance is up a ravine.
[12:51] <NancyL> ZT: In the case of islands like those in Hawaii, there is wiggle room.
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[12:52] <NancyL> ZT: Even though the islands are large, the wave APPROACHING the island starts to move AROUND the island long before it starts rolling up the land mass toward the beaches.
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[12:52] <NancyL> ZT: The water on either side of the island has a LOT of options, can move sideways, and does so.
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[12:53] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, the advise to move inland x miles and upland x feet is not that far afield.
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[12:53] <NancyL> ZT: Clearly, one should move as high as possible, staying out of the hurricane force winds, and not hang about near the beaches even if on high ground.
[12:53] <NancyL> End ZT on this matter, followup?
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[12:54] <humvee> most high spots are still within a mile of the ocean
[12:54] <Tcards> will the UK experience any tidal bore?
[12:55] <cmell> Tcards but ofcourse
[12:55] <phoenix> What is the tidal reach on large inland lakes, like Flathead Lake, Great Lakes?
[12:55] <NancyL> Tcards, not unless the ocean hits cliffs, etc.
[12:55] <obany> And what about the Scandinavian countries?
[12:55] <Tcards> thnx
[12:55] <NancyL> Phoenix, it has been stated that the Great Lakes are about half the concern of ocean beaches.
[12:55] <DawnnaLee> will the waves reach up to the white mountains in New Hampshire?
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[12:55] <cmell> what about denmark ?
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[12:56] <NancyL> Folks, imagine water reaching inland about 100 miles, being 200 feet high, and this being the worst case.
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[12:56] <NancyL> Now, if this water CANNOT roll inland, because it hits a cliff, a brick wall, then where will it go?
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[12:56] <cmell> up
[12:56] <NancyL> Can it move sideways, can it flow inland along rivers?
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[12:57] <NancyL> Play with this a bit, build models of your area, and slosh water about a bit!
[12:57] <QueenVee>  NEXT QUESTION:
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[12:58] <QueenVee>  How long after the shift will rain water become safe to drink again without purification? Though this will obviously vary from region to region (depending on amount of volcanic ash) are there general pointers that might assist us in this regard? Will water filtering be sufficient, or is distillation also required?
[12:58] <NancyL> ZT: OUr advise on distilling water to remove heavy metals such as lead presumes that volcanic ash will be falling, be included in the rain or fog, and accumulate on the ground.
[12:59] <NancyL> ZT: There are several factors to consider.  First, the land may be at a site where little rain falls, outside of the volcanic drift, high so that most heavy ash has dropped before arriving, and have little problem with this.
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[13:00] <NancyL> ZT: Second, heavy rainfall may outweight the lead content, wash this way in good runoff, such that there is scarsely any accumulation or it is so diluted as to be negligible.
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[13:01] <NancyL> ZT: Third, the land may be directly in volcanic ash path, from a volcano that lasts for centuries after the shift, and be unlivable for far longer than the 25 yeares we have given as a guide.
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[13:02] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, there is simply no general statements about when ground or rain water will be OK.  One must use their judgement about such matter.
[13:02] <NancyL> End ZT on this, followup?
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[13:02] <QueenVee> no follow-up questions?
[13:03] <TerrorDactyl> boiling it is ok yes?
[13:03] <IaNZ>  Look up KDF filters, simple cf distillation
[13:03] <dave7> If in doubt filter?
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[13:03] <QueenVee>  NEXT QUESTION:
[13:03] <QueenVee>  There seems to be a recent uptick in staph infections throughout the world. Is this related to PlanetX and the poleshift, or to government activity, or...?
[13:03] <NancyL> Terror, distilling is more than boiling.  Boil and drink and you still get the lead.
[13:04] <NancyL> Filters will be used up, and NO going to the supply store either.
[13:04] <NancyL> Yes, Queen, I noted on TV the staph in Marines, and someone told me a ship load of Navy personnel got sick too, known bugs, etc.
[13:05] <NancyL> ZT: As we reported in a recent chat, this is JUST what we predicted in 1995, "taking sick" increasingly, and nothing more.
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[13:05] <NancyL> ZT: This is hitting the news as it has gotten extreme, the numbers, the incidents on the heels of one another, but not because it has not been happening, since 1995.
[13:06] <NancyL> ZT: Statistics on hospital admissions, outages from schools and workplaces, will show you the same uptick and concerns.
[13:06] <NancyL> End ZT on this matter.
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[13:06] <cmell> when ppl wash, must that be in distilled water, or can one use undistilled water for that purpose ?
[13:06] <bearz> do "chemtrails" play a role in these infections?
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[13:06] <TaL0N> ?
[13:07] <NancyL> Cmell, I think drinking is the big concenr.
[13:07] <Nightbird> Do the Zeta's recommend using colloidial silver to prevent getting these "bugs"?
[13:07] <Tcards> nightbird: good q
[13:07] <phoenix> Why are so many humans suffering with impaired immune systems?  
[13:07] <NancyL> ZT to Bearz: Chemtrails are local, and the US and the elite, in their experiments, are NOT drifing this over military personnel.
[13:07] <cmell> I'm not sure about that NL, cells absorb water
[13:07] <QueenVee> cmell: but not like the intestine does
[13:08] <NancyL> ZT: Likewise, the germs present in chemtrails are not those such as staph, which can be quickly identified by medical personnel and cured.
[13:08] <NancyL> End ZT to Bearz
[13:08] <bearz> thank you\
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[13:08] <NancyL> Nightbird, YOU read the CS statistics and come to your own conclusions.
[13:08] <obany> good and interresting answer(s)
[13:08] <Henk> hi wassup
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[13:09] <NancyL> There is no overall panacea for the germs we have been living with since cave man days.
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[13:09] <QueenVee>  NEXT QUESTION:
[13:09] <QueenVee>  PREAMBLE: To everyone’s surprise, after for many years denying such a possibility, this week celebrity psychic Sylvia Browne announced on the Art Bell show that she now sees a worldwide natural cataclysm in the future, and the disappearance of mankind within 5 years.
[13:09] <QueenVee>  QUESTION: What is behind this sudden change, and will other "celebrity psychics" start to come forward with similar predictions as well?
[13:09] <NancyL> Oh, good Q!
[13:09] <QueenVee> :-)
[13:09] <QueenVee> WE AIM TO PLEASE
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[13:10] <NancyL> ZT: We have mentioned that many aliens channeling, to valid channels, are reluctant to announce the coming cataclysms.
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[13:11] <NancyL> ZT: We have explained that this is due to 1. not wanting to be the bearer of bad tidings, 2. not having a human willing to be the bearer of bad tidings.
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[13:11] <NancyL> ZT: Both factors are at play, so that one must have 1. an alien information source willing to tell the horrid truth, 2. a human willing to be the bearer of this.
[13:11] <NancyL> ZT: To date, none but Nancy has filled these shoes, but times are changing for several reasons.
[13:12] <NancyL> ZT: Where information sources have aluded to coming changes, they focus on the aftertime as being a better time, NOT the steps that will occur to get there.
[13:13] <NancyL> ZT: Earth changes are described in light text, heavy on the emphasis of glowing times afterwards: peace, cooperation, the return of Chirst, or whatever.
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[13:13] <NancyL> ZT: If the cataclysms are at all described, they are put into short phrases, such as "much death", without details.
[13:14] <NancyL> ZT: To state which areas of the world will experience tidal waves, which will quickly drown, which will freeze, which will choke on ash, and the like is too graphic.
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[13:14] <NancyL> ZT: Readers of light text can imagine that OTHERS will experience SOMETHING, but not themselves.
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[13:15] <NancyL> ZT: This leaves the shift and its effect as theoretical, abstract.
[13:16] <NancyL> ZT: What has occurred that some sources are now leaning in the direction of addressing the coming times?
[13:16] <NancyL> ZT: In truth, for every source that moves closer to telling the truth, there are others who back away!
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[13:17] <NancyL> ZT: The earth changes are pressing in on all consciousness, undeniable, and thus the confort of denial is increasingly hard to achieve.
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[13:18] <NancyL> ZT: Those atuned to other voices have a choice, to shut it all out or LISTEN, and if they chose to stay in contact will have to admit that SOMETHING is around the corner.
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[13:18] <NancyL> ZT: Like Scallion, who deals with this pain in this regard and taps in, or like Cayce, who likewise reported the unpleasant, some will be true channels for the truth.
[13:19] <NancyL> ZT: But likewise, some otherwise true channels will be increasingly flaky, vague, ethereal, and deny any rought times in the near future.
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[13:20] <NancyL> ZT: Consider, when listening to these many voices, that a HUMAN is relaying this information, and place this in the context of what you know human behaviour to BE.
[13:20] <NancyL> ZT: How many of your fellows can take really bad news without trying first to deny it?
[13:20] <NancyL> ZT: Consider second that alien groups relaying information to humans may likewise prefer to save the really bad news until the last minute.
[13:21] <NancyL> ZT: We ask only that those looking for the truth consider the ZetaTalk accuracy track record, which is impressive to the point of standing alone in information received from a source outside of the human vehicle relaying it.
[13:22] <NancyL> ZT: There is NO other channel or source with this track record.
[13:22] <NancyL> End ZT on this matter, followup?
[13:22] <cmell> NancyL, you are a human ! What stops you from changing the channeled story to be more pleasant ?
[13:22] <QueenVee> why would alien groups prefer delaying until the last minute -- to avoid mass panic? do they not wish to help humans survive the poleshift if at all possible?
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[13:22] <Mike-O> Was Werner Erhard, who created the 'est' Training, destroyed by the elite because he warned people about a pole shift back in 1980?
[13:22] <NancyL> So she said all of mankind would die off within 5 years!  Yikes, a bit of an overstatement.
[13:22] <TerrorDactyl> 14 weeks (7 weeks before May) from now it will glow like a red cross, brighter than any star - is this still true?
[13:22] <dave7> RE: Safewater, A few good filters could last years.99.7% removal of lead.$20 each. Then distill. Natural filters = sand/gravel bags. Then distill. Tent fly to catch rainwater etc.
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[13:23] <QueenVee> Mike-O: not related
[13:23] <franci66> I thought all aliens cultures believe in empowering individuals with truth...
[13:23] <NancyL> CMell, I don't play games with the truth or back away from it.  Why WOULD I?
[13:23] <QueenVee> Nancy: we figured she was seeing the shift to 4th density -- she said she just didn't see anything on earth after that
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[13:23] <TerrorDactyl> your track record is somewhat open to interpretation on accuracy
[13:24] <NancyL> ZT to Queen: Those alien groups pulling back from a full truthful account of what mankind will experience have several reasons for doing this.
[13:24] <cmell> I don't know Nancy thats why I ask (not meant as an attack)
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[13:25] <QueenVee> NANCY: THERE IS JUST ONE MORE QUESTION
[13:25] <NancyL> ZT: First, as with any relaying of discomfiting news, the news bearer is ALSO discomfited.
[13:26] <NancyL> ZT: So, the news bearer would prefer NOT to experience this discomfit, call it cowardice or pandering to the self or a weakness.
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[13:27] <NancyL> ZT: Second, there are those who feel that the news would be delivered to many who could NOT do anything with the news, could not move, prepare, and the agony would only be thus prolonged.
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[13:27] <NancyL> ZT: This is akin to a doctor not telling a patient that they are dying until the dying day.
[13:28] <NancyL> ZT: In this case also, the doctor, the news bearer, is excusing themselves from discomfiting demands by the patient of family.
[13:28] <NancyL> ZT: Can the patient not be cured in some way, has the doctor done all he can, etc.
[13:29] <NancyL> ZT: In like manner, aliens presenting a pole shift scenario are asked, via their channels, endlessly, if all of mankind cannot be saved, lifeted, the shift avoided, etc.\
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[13:29] <NancyL> ZT: Those aliens groups presenting a rosy, or glossed over view, will explain the facts to those who they deem will be able to take it well, or deem could benefit from such facts.
[13:30] <NancyL> End ZT to Queen.
[13:30] <QueenVee>  NEXT QUESTION:
[13:30] <QueenVee>  Despite the end of the Cold War and the reduced threat of nuclear war and serious budget problems, for some time now Russia has been pursuing construction of a massive underground facility at Yamantau Mountain. Is this facility being built specifically with the coming poleshift in mind?
[13:31] <QueenVee> LAST QUESTION, NANCY
[13:31] <NancyL> Does anyone know if this is in the Ural mountains?  I'll assume so, and if NANCY is wrong on this, its another Beatles thingie.
[13:31] <cmell> it is
[13:32] <QueenVee> yes, in the Ural Mountains
[13:32] <NancyL> ZT: The US with their Mt Weather is not alone in their expectation that underground facilities would be the best bet in the event of a possible pole shift.
[13:32] <NancyL> ZT: Human scientists present, in their limited view, the nuclear winter scenario, where all life above ground would die.
[13:33] <NancyL> ZT: Humans tend to put a few facts into the mix, ignoring a massive amount of other facts, and thus come up with wrong conclusions.
[13:34] <NancyL> ZT: This is done for several reasons, 1. the limited human IQ, 2. the desire to arrive at a conclusion and thus limiting the options, 3. limited human knowledge in the first place.
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[13:35] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, given the projection that a nuclear winter, caused by vocanic eruption, COULD and perhaps HAS in the past as in the case of the presumed dinosaur extinction, the elite planned to go underground and live several decades thus.
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[13:36] <NancyL> ZT: In fact, as we have stated and any thorough analysis of the facts will present, dinosaur extinction was NOT caused by a nuclear winter, as not all forms were so affected, thus it was spieces selective, not global.
[13:36] <NancyL> ZT: It was a virus, not a nuclear winter.
[13:37] <NancyL> ZT: But given that military personnel are not know for their deep thinking, are brusk and bossy, they grabbed at the projections and plotted their course.
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[13:37] <NancyL> ZT: Given the size of the quakes, Richter 9 force worldwide, with mountain building and renting of continental rifts, these underground facilities will hardly be a safe place.
[13:38] <NancyL> ZT: It takes little to trap an outlet, tork an elevator such that it cannot rise of fall, and create panic in the tomb.
[13:38] <NancyL> ZT: Air circulation will not work, slowly smothering those trapped inside.
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[13:39] <NancyL> ZT: Water will find its way into underground pockets, drowning those trapped.
[13:39] <NancyL> ZT: Electrical equipment will falter, plunging those into darkness.
[13:40] <NancyL> ZT: A fitting end of the elite who have, in their greed for power and wealth, send the poor into mines and such circumstances.
[13:40] <NancyL> End ZT on this matter and must break for the next sessions!
[13:40] * QueenVee sets mode: -m
[13:40] <Mike-O> Queen, the Werner-Erhard/pole-shift connection is relevant. Trust me on this one. He hinted to thousands of people about an impending pole shift as far back as 1980, and that's why I believe the government and elite took him down, quickly and mercilessly.
[13:40] <cmell> Q to the zetas : are there cowards in you'r ranks, or did I misunderstand ? (don't see this as blame, as it is not so)
[13:40] <TerrorDactyl> nasa know of these things, so where will they hide?
[13:40] <tied2> Can the Zeta's tell us what became of the virus that killed the dinosaurs?
[13:40] <gwilra> thank you
[13:40] <NancyL> So, how did Art Bell react to S. Browne's prediction?
[13:40] <Doro-Hog> what a way to die...
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[13:40] <QueenVee>  Okay, that’s the hour, folks. A BIG THANK YOU to Nancy and the room participants for yet another great ZetaTalk Session!
[13:41] <NancyL> Tied2, does it matter?
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[13:41] <tied2> Nancy it might
[13:41] <Bo-Zack> thanks Nancy
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[13:41] <QueenVee> Nancy will begin a second ZetaTalk Session in the #zetatalk channel in approximately 30 minutes. To get to that channel, simply type the following and hit enter:  /join #zetatalk
[13:41] <NancyL> Art is closing down shop now, end of this month.
[13:41] <cmell> thx anyway nancy
[13:41] <Bailey> `thank you Nancy
[13:41] <QueenVee> FYI: Next week the SHIFT2003 website ( http://shift2003.kgmweb.com ) will be adding a "NETWORK WITH OTHERS" section to help people connect with other poleshifters in their area -- if you would like to be sent further info about that, just give me your email address on a private channel and you will be placed on the mailing list.
[13:41] <Tcards> thnx nancy
[13:41] <gwilra> Art made comparisons to all the others that he viewed as part of the Quicking... including Ed Dames.
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[13:42] <Bailey> #zetatalk
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[13:42] <obany> there will be antoehr session in #zetatalk
[13:42] <obany> there will be antoehr session in #zetatalk
[13:42] <obany> there will be antoehr session in #zetatalk
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[13:42] <QueenVee> obany: stop spamming
[13:42] <QueenVee> hehe
[13:42] <obany> there will be antoehr session in #zetatalk in about 20 minuts use /join #zetatalk
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[13:43] <rgbivens> anybody want to tell me how to work this thing???????
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[13:43] <QueenVee> Nancy will begin a second ZetaTalk Session in the #zetatalk channel in approximately 20 minutes. To get to that channel, simply type the following and hit enter:  /join #zetatalk
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[13:43] <phoenix> Thanks, QVee, good session.
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[13:44] <QueenVee> rgbivens: what specific problem are you having?
[13:44] <QueenVee> phoenix: thank you
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[13:44] <rgbivens> i don't have a clue what i'm doing
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[13:45] <rgbivens> i don't understand all the @ and ! and + and - stuff
[13:45] <dave7> DONT GIVE UP, Dont take anything personally
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[13:45] <QueenVee> rgbivens: well, you can generally whine, or you can ask me specific questions, which i would be happy to answer for you
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[13:46] <rgbivens> ok....what i want to do is get to a place where i can download games
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[13:47] <rgbivens> my friend said that this is possible, cause he does it
[13:47] <QueenVee> rgbivens: sorry, i don't know any place like that, as it is not related to the subject matter of this channel
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[13:47] <QueenVee> Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session in this channel has ended. She will begin a second ZetaTalk Session in the #zetatalk channel in approximately 15 minutes. To get to that channel, simply type the following and hit enter:  /join #zetatalk
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[13:48] <QueenVee> Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session in this channel has ended. She will begin a second ZetaTalk Session in the #zetatalk channel in approximately 15 minutes. To get to that channel, simply type the following and hit enter:  /join #zetatalk
[13:48] <franci66> from ZT: Ultimate Agenda - "Those in the Service-to-Other may tell their contactees hard facts about the coming Earth cataclysms but the ultimate agenda is empowerment of the individual and safe passage".
[13:48] <dave7> TYPE Games into your search engine(box)
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[13:48] <rgbivens> well, you have been so helpful....wait, no you haven't good bye
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[13:49] <QueenVee> franci: were on ZT is that? do you have a link?
[13:49] <franci66> wait
[13:50] <franci66> http://www.zetatalk.com/worlds/w49.htm
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[13:51] <QueenVee> thanks, franci!!
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[13:54] <West_coast> new comet story.. news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/12/1219_021219_comet.html
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[13:57] <Beuling> Thank you QueenVee for maintening this helpfull session.
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[13:58] <Ummite> elle est sur zetatalk
[13:58] <Queen-away> nice to see you again, Beurling
[13:59] <Ummite> oh desolé
[13:59] <Oca> sinong nakakaintindi ng tagalog dito? :)
[13:59] <Ummite> lol
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[14:00] <alex2221> what's going on here?????
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[14:01] <Ummite> la session est commencé sur zetatalk
[14:01] <obany> session in #zetatalk now
[14:01] <Ummite> the session have started on zetatalk
[14:01] <Beuling> yes i am there now
[14:02] <Ummite> okidoki
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[14:05] <Ummite> i must go see ya later pals
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[14:31] <obany> see topic session now in #zetatalk type /join #zetatalk to join
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[14:35] <obany> see topic session now in #zetatalk type /join #zetatalk to join
[14:36] <scuba> hi all
[14:36] <obany> zetatalk session: type /join #zetatalk and press enter
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[14:37] <scuba> i guess i miss the session.
[14:38] <QueenVee> yes, but there's one in #zetatalk right now.....
[14:38] <scuba> ty
[14:38] <Starstalker> The first session, yes, but second is still ongoing
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[14:54] <Tech_Help> heyyy
[14:54] <obany> zetatalk session: type /join #zetatalk and press enter
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[14:59] <Tech_Help> wait so when is this shift going to happen? and what is going to happen when it happens exactly?
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[15:00] <QueenVee> Tech: read www.zetatalk.com
[15:00] <Tech_Help> oh ok
[15:00] <Tech_Help> thanks
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[15:11] <JFull> WoW what an enlighting day, so much said.
[15:11] <QueenVee> for sure
[15:11] <BoY> oh yes
[15:12] <JFull> Thanks Queen an will be back in a day or 2
[15:12] <Starstalker> Good session, QueenVee
[15:12] <QueenVee> thanks all, see you soon JFull
[15:12] <JFull> ths
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[15:12] <QueenVee> i'm just putting together the logs, they will be up on the SHIFT2003 site in about 1/2 hr
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[15:13] <scuba1> hi all
[15:14] <Starstalker> You are a busy Bee (uh Vee).
[15:14] <QueenVee> lol, yes
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[15:14] <scuba1> brb
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[15:15] <Starstalker> Obany is getting very skilled at kicking the bozos on zetatalk.  No putting up with nonesense....getting too close.
[15:15] <dema> there is nothing more the zetatalk can provide for us than a prediction.. because when it comes down to it
[15:15] <dema> you will die when you will die, and that has already been written in the stars
[15:16] <obany> starstalker thnx
[15:16] <QueenVee> dema: clearly you have absorbed very little of what zetatalk has said
[15:16] <Starstalker> your welcome, actually THANK YOU
[15:16] <dema> i've just absorbed the greater picture of what zetatalk encompasses
[15:16] <dema> its safe to say i believe in zetatalk more than you
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[15:19] <scuba1> back.
[15:21] <dema> sylvia brown predicts end times within a year as welll
[15:21] <dema> RUH ROHHHHHHHHHH>.............
[15:21] <scuba1> so i guess that things remaining in human hands are hard to predict such as travel restrictions,as we move closer 2 the shift
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[15:22] <QueenVee> scuba: yep
[15:22] <ZooSpecimen> i would like to know more about the hybrids. After all they are at the center of everything here
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[15:23] <dema> we can incarnate into them very soon!
[15:23] <QueenVee> Zoo: what do you want to know?
[15:23] <ZooSpecimen> who cares if humans die out. our legacy will live on in the hybrids
[15:23] <scuba1> i dont want 2 cut it close, but i  dont want 2 get caught in last minute squeeze
[15:23] <ZooSpecimen> everything
[15:23] <dema> ZooSpecimen: or whichever creature you wish to inhabit
[15:24] <QueenVee> Zoo: well, ZT is chock full of info about the hybrids -- do a search of the site under "hybrids"
[15:24] <ZooSpecimen> what are they thinking, what are they doing, how do they feel about eveything... ect...
[15:24] <QueenVee> it's all there, in ZT
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[15:26] <ZooSpecimen> i read all of it. there should be an ongoing updates because they are the important ones
[15:26] <ZooSpecimen> our future
[15:27] <scuba1> will wild rice like what they collect around lakes still be abundant?QV
[15:27] <QueenVee> Zoo: you have to learn how to ask specific questions, that's the way to get questions out of the zetas, it's all part of the learning process
[15:28] <QueenVee> scuba: nothing will be "abundant" in the first few years of the aftertime (except fish) -- not much sun
[15:28] <scuba1> c
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[15:28] <cmell> hhmmm is it me or has superzod been cooking for a long while, or what ?
[15:28] <Tech_Help> what year will the shift occur?
[15:28] <ZooSpecimen> fish and bugs
[15:28] <ZooSpecimen> and bugs
[15:28] <ZooSpecimen> and bugs
[15:29] <ZooSpecimen> hehe
[15:29] <cmell> 2003
[15:29] <cmell> tech
[15:29] <QueenVee> Tech: give me a break, read the site
[15:29] <Tech_Help> and the transisition wont be that bad if i raise my consiousnes?
[15:29] <Tech_Help> lol
[15:29] <Tech_Help> im new
[15:29] <Mantix> must be, lol
[15:29] <scuba1> lolo
[15:29] <ZooSpecimen> i can just feel there little legs between my teeth now
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[15:30] <Mantix> check out www.zetatalk.com and read, read, read
[15:30] <Starstalker> crunch, crunch.  Stock up on laxatives, chitin can be very constipating
[15:30] <dema> Tech_Help: i agree, it wont be bad if you look at it from the right perspective
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[15:31] <ZooSpecimen> take care eveybody
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[15:32] <Starstalker> Nite, Zoo.
[15:32] <Tech_Help> will marijuana be effected by this shift?
[15:32] <dema> i wonder.. but you can bet i'll be trying to save some seeds
[15:32] <Tech_Help> haha me too
[15:32] <Mantix> Techhelp, I sure hope not!!!!
[15:33] <scuba1> i've done a little looking at some geo dome sites, but still haven't come across any plans prelayedw/measurements or such plans . can any1 direct me in this search wich would make it easier?
[15:33] <QueenVee> Tech: you ask one more smart-ass question and i'm kicking you from the room.
[15:33] <Starstalker> Pot needs lots of sun
[15:33] <Tech_Help> sorry
[15:33] <Mantix> exactly... prolly too tough to grow
[15:33] <Bailey> LOL queen
[15:33] <QueenVee> scuba: send me an email asking that question and i'll refer you. i don't have time to look it up right now
[15:33] <Mantix> although, when my meds run out...mj is about the best thinng natural for me in my conmdition
[15:34] <QueenVee> queenvee59@hotmail.com
[15:34] <scuba1> ty so much
[15:34] <Tech_Help> what meds are you on?
[15:34] <Starstalker> pot,corn,tomatoes, beans, squash.....etc.  Forget them and focus on clover, moss, and other shade lovers.
[15:34] <Mantix> I have epilepsy
[15:34] <dema> DISCUSSION
[15:34] <QueenVee> what about it, dema?
[15:35] <Tech_Help> oo i c
[15:35] <Bailey> Star, you recomend any of the nighshade family, like potatoes?
[15:35] <Mantix> so... I haven't had a seizure in about 5 years... but when I'mout of meds... I'm out for good EEEEP
[15:35] <QueenVee> FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED, THE LOG OF NANCY'S ZETATALK SESSION IN THIS CHANNEL TODAY IS NOW AVAILABLE ON THE FOLLOWING WEB PAGE: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=9
[15:35] <Tech_Help> lol
[15:36] <Mantix> scary thought really
[15:36] <Tech_Help> i take adderall, do you ttake similar stimulant medication for your epilepsyu?
[15:36] <Starstalker> Maybe potatoes and peas, onions, cole crops.  Depends on how hot it gets in your local.
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[15:36] <Mantix> I guess so... nerve stimulants that minimalize any activity my brain has
[15:37] <Tech_Help> ohh mine is opposite
[15:37] <Tech_Help> brb
[15:37] <cmell> heh
[15:37] <cmell> wrong medication hhmm
[15:37] <cmell> :)
[15:37] <Mantix> I don't really know how it works Tech... not a doctor, but I do know that without the pills, I'm in trouble... prolly the biggest thing scraing me about the PS
[15:38] <Starstalker> Can't imagine adderall helping with seizures.
[15:38] <Mantix> whats adderall for?
[15:38] <Starstalker> ADHD
[15:38] <Mantix> ahh
[15:38] <Mantix> i wouldn't imagine that would help
[15:38] <Mantix> lol
[15:39] <Starstalker> It is long acting speed in pill form
[15:39] <Mantix> makes sense... actually a friend of mine takes something like it
[15:40] <Starstalker> Nite all.  Same time, same place next week.  Have a good Holiday season!
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[15:41] <Tech_Help> back
[15:41] <Mantix> Goodnight Star
[15:41] <Tech_Help> when the shift occurs and we move to 4th densisity obe's will be more abundent?
[15:41] <cmell> later guys
[15:41] <Tech_Help> i have had some obe's but hard time controlling them, my research on obes is what actually brouyght me here
[15:42] <cmell> I had one only
[15:42] <Tech_Help> night
[15:42] <cmell> night
[15:42] <Mantix> really... I've been trying to have an OBE for my whole life
[15:42] <Mantix> seems like it anyway
[15:42] <cmell> se you
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[15:42] <Tech_Help> ive used bwgen many times and often get vibrations but no obe's
[15:42] <Mantix> bwgen"?
[15:43] <QueenVee> Tech: people have out of body experiences all the time, most are just not conscious of them
[15:43] <Mantix> Well, I want a consciouis one for sure
[15:43] <Tech_Help> this past week ive been getting better at seeing through my eyes, i guess it would be with my third eye, but still dont know howto change the direction of my sight i just see strait and if i try to look left or right i bring awareness back to my eyes and i no longer see
[15:44] <Tech_Help> the second time i did it i saw a guy meditating on my bed and nearly had a panic attack
[15:44] <Mantix> on another plane of existence, we can see every direction around our bodies i understand
[15:45] <Tech_Help> well some people can other cant from what ive read
[15:45] <Mantix> i guess when you think about where your eyes are, your physical experience comes to the forefront and you lose focus
[15:45] <Tech_Help> everyone percievees obe's differently
[15:45] <Mantix> i would imagine
[15:45] <Mantix> very little info on them out there
[15:46] <Tech_Help> have you heard of www.bwgen.com?
[15:46] <Mantix> I've tried to sign up for classes on astral projection, but try to find one!
[15:46] <Mantix> they don't exist!
[15:46] <Mantix> no
[15:46] <Tech_Help> yeah there are classes
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[15:47] <Tech_Help> hold on ill link you with a site
[15:47] <Mantix> i'm lookin at it now
[15:47] <QueenVee> Tech & Mantix: this is a chatroom for people who wish to discuss preparation for the May2003 poleshift, not astral project. please take your discussion elsewhere.
[15:47] <Tech_Help> http://www.mysticweb.org/
[15:47] <Tech_Help> theres courses you can sig up for on that site
[15:47] <QueenVee> now, please
[15:47] <Mantix> sorry QueenVee, didn't mean to get off topic
[15:47] <Tech_Help> also www.astralpulse.com has a good forum for all types of metaphysical and astral means
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[15:48] <Mantix> ok Tech, tahnks
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[15:48] <Tech_Help> sorry wont happen again
[15:50] <dema> gotta love people who stifle conversation
[15:51] <dema> wow tech
[15:51] <dema> i was reading what you said up there, and i remember reading your post on astralpulse about the guy meditating on your bed
[15:51] <dema> have you seen him since?
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[15:52] <dema> woops
[15:52] <dema> i'll stick to the topic..
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[16:04] <PGill> is the session over?
[16:04] <QueenVee> all over, PGill
[16:04] <obany> yes... more then an hour ago
[16:05] <QueenVee> i have the log posted for the first session....
[16:05] <PGill> but not the second?
[16:05] <QueenVee> not yet, working on it
[16:06] <PGill> ok
[16:06] <QueenVee> there you go: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=9
[16:07] <PGill> thanks
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[16:09] <PGill> new banner is great
[16:09] <QueenVee> :-)
[16:09] <PGill> ;)
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[16:11] <PGill> bye
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[16:32] <Zetapal> Hey Santa Claus Ralf you there ?
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[17:00] <QueenVee> Tech: so have you read the www.zetatalk.com site yet?
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[17:18] <Kindred> anything interesting happen on theZT session
[17:19] <Kindred> did we ask about Sylvia Brown
[17:20] <Kindred> helllllllllllooooooo
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[17:21] <QueenVee> howdy
[17:21] <QueenVee> we sure did
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[17:23] <QueenVee> hi
[17:24] <kindred> well hello
[17:24] <QueenVee> yeah, we asked the Sylvia Browne question...
[17:24] <kindred> and
[17:24] <QueenVee> nancy said "Good Question!"
[17:24] <kindred> kewl
[17:24] <kindred> soooo
[17:25] <QueenVee> hold on, i'll get you her response
[17:25] <kindred> TX
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[17:25] <QueenVee> 16:05] [NancyL] ZT: We have mentioned that many aliens channeling, to valid channels, are reluctant to announce the coming cataclysms.
[17:25] <QueenVee> [16:06] [NancyL] ZT: We have explained that this is due to 1. not wanting to be the bearer of bad tidings, 2. not having a human willing to be the bearer of bad tidings.
[17:25] <QueenVee> [16:06] [NancyL] ZT: Both factors are at play, so that one must have 1. an alien information source willing to tell the horrid truth, 2. a human willing to be the bearer of this.
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:06] [NancyL] ZT: To date, none but Nancy has filled these shoes, but times are changing for several reasons.
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:07] [NancyL] ZT: Where information sources have aluded to coming changes, they focus on the aftertime as being a better time, NOT the steps that will occur to get there.
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:08] [NancyL] ZT: Earth changes are described in light text, heavy on the emphasis of glowing times afterwards: peace, cooperation, the return of Chirst, or whatever.
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:08] [NancyL] ZT: If the cataclysms are at all described, they are put into short phrases, such as "much death", without details.
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:09] [NancyL] ZT: To state which areas of the world will experience tidal waves, which will quickly drown, which will freeze, which will choke on ash, and the like is too graphic.
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:09] [NancyL] ZT: Readers of light text can imagine that OTHERS will experience SOMETHING, but not themselves.
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:10] [NancyL] ZT: This leaves the shift and its effect as theoretical, abstract.
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:11] [NancyL] ZT: What has occurred that some sources are now leaning in the direction of addressing the coming times?
[17:26] <QueenVee> 16:11] [NancyL] ZT: In truth, for every source that moves closer to telling the truth, there are others who back away!
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:12] [NancyL] ZT: The earth changes are pressing in on all consciousness, undeniable, and thus the confort of denial is increasingly hard to achieve.
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:13] [NancyL] ZT: Those atuned to other voices have a choice, to shut it all out or LISTEN, and if they chose to stay in contact will have to admit that SOMETHING is around the corner.
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:13] [NancyL] ZT: Like Scallion, who deals with this pain in this regard and taps in, or like Cayce, who likewise reported the unpleasant, some will be true channels for the truth.
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:14] [NancyL] ZT: But likewise, some otherwise true channels will be increasingly flaky, vague, ethereal, and deny any rought times in the near future.
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:15] [NancyL] ZT: Consider, when listening to these many voices, that a HUMAN is relaying this information, and place this in the context of what you know human behaviour to BE.
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:15] [NancyL] ZT: How many of your fellows can take really bad news without trying first to deny it?
[17:26] <QueenVee> [16:15] [NancyL] ZT: Consider second that alien groups relaying information to humans may likewise prefer to save the really bad news until the last minute.
[17:27] <QueenVee> [16:16] [NancyL] ZT: We ask only that those looking for the truth consider the ZetaTalk accuracy track record, which is impressive to the point of standing alone in information received from a source outside of the human vehicle relaying it.
[17:27] <QueenVee> [16:17] [NancyL] ZT: There is NO other channel or source with this track record.
[17:27] <QueenVee> END OF QUOTE
[17:27] <QueenVee> then i asked this follow-up question:
[17:27] <QueenVee> 16:17] [QueenVee] why would alien groups prefer delaying until the last minute -- to avoid mass panic? do they not wish to help humans survive the poleshift if at all possible?
[17:28] <QueenVee> NANCY REPLIED AS FOLLOWS:
[17:28] <QueenVee> [16:19] [NancyL] ZT to Queen: Those alien groups pulling back from a full truthful account of what mankind will experience have several reasons for doing this.
[17:28] <QueenVee> [16:20] [NancyL] ZT: First, as with any relaying of discomfiting news, the news bearer is ALSO discomfited.
[17:28] <QueenVee> [16:21] [NancyL] ZT: So, the news bearer would prefer NOT to experience this discomfit, call it cowardice or pandering to the self or a weakness.
[17:28] <QueenVee> [16:22] [NancyL] ZT: Second, there are those who feel that the news would be delivered to many who could NOT do anything with the news, could not move, prepare, and the agony would only be thus prolonged.
[17:28] <QueenVee> [16:22] [NancyL] ZT: This is akin to a doctor not telling a patient that they are dying until the dying day.
[17:28] <QueenVee> [16:23] [NancyL] ZT: In this case also, the doctor, the news bearer, is excusing themselves from discomfiting demands by the patient of family.
[17:28] <QueenVee> [16:23] [NancyL] ZT: Can the patient not be cured in some way, has the doctor done all he can, etc.
[17:28] <QueenVee> [16:24] [NancyL] ZT: In like manner, aliens presenting a pole shift scenario are asked, via their channels, endlessly, if all of mankind cannot be saved, lifeted, the shift avoided, etc.\
[17:28] <QueenVee> [16:24] [NancyL] ZT: Those aliens groups presenting a rosy, or glossed over view, will explain the facts to those who they deem will be able to take it well, or deem could benefit from such facts.
[17:28] <QueenVee> END OF QUOTE
[17:30] <QueenVee> Kindred?
[17:30] <kindred> good questions
[17:30] <kindred> and good answers
[17:30] <QueenVee> illuminating, i thought
[17:31] <kindred> thanks for the update
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[17:37] <kindred> i will have to check out the rest of the session when it is posted
[17:37] <QueenVee> it's posted now, kindred
[17:37] <kindred> that was fast
[17:37] <QueenVee> here: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=8
[17:37] <QueenVee> :-)
[17:37] <QueenVee> both sessions
[17:37] <kindred> you da man
[17:38] <kindred> ...women
[17:38] <QueenVee> da Queen
[17:38] <kindred> yeah
[17:39] <kindred> why is nooen chatting
[17:39] <kindred> no one
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[17:40] <txroz> hi everyone
[17:41] <QueenVee> hello txroz -- where you here for nancy's sessions?
[17:42] <txroz> i missed them sorry
[17:42] <txroz>  tell me how they went
[17:42] <QueenVee> don't be sorry....
[17:42] <QueenVee> they were good
[17:42] <QueenVee> the logs are posted on our website, do you want the link?
[17:43] <txroz> o yes
[17:43] <QueenVee> http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=8
[17:43] <txroz> got it thanks
[17:44] <txroz> quiet here tonite?
[17:44] <QueenVee> it was a long day.....
[17:44] <QueenVee> you might find more chat going on in #earthchanges...
[17:45] <txroz> yeah maybe try after
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[17:50] <txroz> had a long day too have a sick friend  bad high blood pressure
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[17:50] <QueenVee> i'm sorry to hear that
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[17:51] <QueenVee> hello Kain
[17:51] <QueenVee> what brings you to this room
[17:51] <txroz> QV I consider myself in service to others but its hard sometimes
[17:52] <Kain76> Hi!
[17:52] <QueenVee> sure it's hard -- otherwise more people would be STO    ;-)
[17:52] <Kain76> been reading the chat logs and thought I'd visit myself..
[17:52] <QueenVee> txroz: just remember it doesn't mean that you can't think or yourself as much as you do of others
[17:53] <txroz> still i feeli have to do it especially for old and handicapped
[17:53] <QueenVee> Kain: how long have you been aware of the poleshift and zetatalk?
[17:53] <Kain76> about a month ago when I heard Nancy on Coast to Coast.. since then I've been reading Zetatalk..
[17:54] <QueenVee> not very long....
[17:54] <QueenVee> what part of the world do you live in?
[17:54] <Kain76> sadly no... not much time to prepare... and I live in Austin, Tx..
[17:55] <QueenVee> have you been thinking about preparation?
[17:55] <Kain76> yes.. a close friend an I are making plans to leave..
[17:56] <QueenVee> that's good
[17:57] <Kain76> all the family I know is lives in Texas... Zetatalk disturbs them so that they dismiss it..
[17:58] <QueenVee> where are you thinking of relocating to?
[17:59] <Kain76> not entirely sure.. according to "Safe Locs".. Montana maybe..
[17:59] <Kain76> Are any of you in the US?
[17:59] <QueenVee> lots of people who come to this room live in the US, but a lot of Canada and Europe as well
[18:00] <QueenVee> i'm in ontario canada
[18:00] <txroz> im inKirbyville tx ever hear of it Kain
[18:00] <QueenVee> nancy did her zetatalk sessions in her earlier, and a lot of people who are "here" are not really
[18:00] <QueenVee> they just forgot to log off...
[18:00] <Kain76> Will it be safe there? QV?
[18:00] <Kain76> Oh.. I missed nancy... when will the log be posted?
[18:01] <QueenVee> yes, i'm in a safe location. moved back to the area i grew up, from Toronto where i lived for the past 20 years
[18:02] <QueenVee> the logs are posted here: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=8
[18:02] <Kain76> fortunate for you QV!
[18:02] <QueenVee> yes, very fortunate
[18:03] <QueenVee> though it's not strictly speaking SAFE, in that there is no area that is going to be SAFE....
[18:03] <QueenVee> but it is less dangerous than other areas
[18:03] <Kain76> Thanks for the log location
[18:05] <Kain76> As you know Texas will flood...  aside from faultlines everything else is secondary for me...
[18:06] <Kain76> then worry about hailstones and such...
[18:08] <QueenVee> well, my advice to people is to relocate to the best place that your resources allow; otherwise prepare the best you can and think positively....
[18:09] <Kain76> yes..
[18:09] <QueenVee> is zetatalk the first place you heard about a possible poleshift?
[18:14] <Kain76> Yes it is..  as I read through the poleshift section there was little that seemed to surprise me somehow..
[18:14] <QueenVee> whois boja0420 boja0420
[18:14] <QueenVee> ignore that
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[18:14] <QueenVee> yes, many seem to have that reaction
[18:15] <QueenVee> jed: hi
[18:15] <jed> hi QV
[18:15] <QueenVee> jed: i've had a look at the material you sent me, and have passed it on to some others....
[18:15] <Kain76> but only since Nancy's last interview with George Noory(sp) have I given it any concious thought..
[18:15] <jed> i hope it was worthwhile
[18:15] <QueenVee> DEFINITELY want to help get that info out on the website, in a way that is beneficial for you....
[18:16] <jed> the domes?
[18:16] <QueenVee> i just have to get the 'NETWORK WITH OTHERS' section up and going... that will take me a couple of days.... then we can talk about it....
[18:16] <QueenVee> yeah, the domes
[18:16] <jed> ok, thanks
[18:16] <QueenVee> just wanted to let you know i hadn't forgotten about it....
[18:17] <jed> thanks, hoping i hadn't made myself personal non grata the other nite
[18:17] <Kain76> Curious.. did anyone hear Linda Moulton Howe's report of the Brazilian UFO'ologists on Coast to Coast the other night?
[18:17] <QueenVee> maybe if you just preface statements like the one you made with something like "In my faith, it is considered forbidden" --  you know?
[18:18] <QueenVee> Kain: i skipped over that particular part of the show, because ZT has confirmed that the "abduction" she's reporting on is faked...
[18:19] <jed> 10-4
[18:19] <Kain76> really?? did ZT explain the marks on the bed & ceiling?
[18:20] <QueenVee> they explained, quite logically, that aliens wouldn't leave such physical evidence, that it is totally out of keeping with how abductions take place
[18:21] <QueenVee> if you're familiar with the extensive abduction literature over the past 20 years, it just doesn't fit the pattern
[18:23] <Kain76> I've likely only the scratched the surface of it all..
[18:23] <QueenVee> Kain: here's the ZT on that subject: http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a128.htm
[18:24] <Kain76> Ever since I saw Communion some 10 yrs ago I've been fascinated with it all..
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[18:24] <Kain76> Thank you QV..
[18:24] <QueenVee> great book, terrible movie
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[18:25] <Kain76> I read it first...
[18:25] <Kain76> Is Whitley Strieber legit?
[18:25] <QueenVee> yep, absolutely
[18:25] <jed> i just dropped by because i'm rolling candles tonite and thought that maybe others might be interested in how to make candles without molds
[18:26] <QueenVee> it's quiet in here tonight, jed....
[18:26] <jed> ok, maybe i'll save it
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[18:26] <QueenVee> yeah, i would
[18:27] <QueenVee> as you can see, i'm just getting rid of the dead wood in here....
[18:27] <Kain76> when will you leave QV?
[18:27] <jed> i caught the last part of the interview tonite, missed most of it.  anything really interesting taken up?
[18:27] <QueenVee> tends to be like this on Saturday night, after the ZT sessions....
[18:27] <QueenVee> Kain: leave where?
[18:27] <Kain76> leave the chat room...
[18:27] <QueenVee> lol
[18:28] <QueenVee> i'm here till about 2am
[18:28] <QueenVee> because i'm working on other things on my computer until then
[18:28] <QueenVee> keeping an eye on the room....
[18:28] <Kain76> Forgive me.. I obviously don't fully understand your role here...
[18:28] <QueenVee> will be gone for about 1/2 hr around 11pm to walk the dog
[18:29] <QueenVee> this is my chat room, i'm the moderator
[18:29] <Kain76> IC... well, I'd like to go read todays chat log and talk to you further..
[18:30] <QueenVee> i'll be here
[18:30] <QueenVee> if i'm not here, it says "Queen-away" in the nick list
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[18:31] <Kain76> alright :)
[18:31] <QueenVee> :-)
[18:31] <Zetapal> all the peeps get pooped after zeatalk
[18:31] <QueenVee> well put, zetapal
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