Session Start: Wed Dec 25 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
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[01:17] <heebi> i wonder if cheney has his underground bunker finished yet?
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[07:42] <froggy> hi
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[07:43] <Magnetos> Greetings, everyone.
[07:43] <froggy> hi magnetos
[07:43] <Magnetos> How are you doing this fine Christmas morning?
[07:44] <froggy> rested
[07:44] <Magnetos> According to Zetatalk, our last Christmas in the civilized world.
[07:44] <Magnetos> That's good to hear.
[07:44] <froggy> how about you
[07:44] <froggy> brb
[07:44] <Magnetos> Pretty well--thank you.
[07:44] <Magnetos> Alrighty.
[07:44] <Magnetos> Anyone else here?
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[07:45] <froggy> back
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[07:46] <Magnetos> You know, I've had a question to ask regarding the position of Planet X for the longest time.
[07:47] <Magnetos> I've been unable to find any information on it on Zetatalk nor people in chat rooms.
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[08:12] <alex2221> hehe
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[08:15] <froggy> hi
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[09:13] <froggy> hi
[09:13] <West_coast> hi
[09:13] <West_coast> merry christmas
[09:13] <froggy> merry christmas
[09:14] <West_coast> quiet in here?
[09:14] <froggy> it's snowing where i live
[09:14] <West_coast> where is that
[09:14] <froggy> Md
[09:14] <West_coast> East Coast
[09:14] <froggy> yes
[09:14] <West_coast> Windy here
[09:15] <froggy> where do you live
[09:15] <West_coast> Washington
[09:16] <froggy> have you been here before
[09:16] <West_coast> yes, a couple of times
[09:16] <West_coast> You?
[09:17] <froggy> yes
[09:17] <froggy> i guess a lot
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[09:17] <froggy> hi edude
[09:17] <West_coast> So, how are you taking all of this?
[09:17] <froggy> fine
[09:17] <edude> hi
[09:18] <West_coast> Ready for the future?
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[09:18] <froggy> i don't know
[09:18] <West_coast> Don't know if you are ready?
[09:18] <froggy> i have a question for you
[09:18] <West_coast> yes?
[09:20] <froggy> if somebody was in a life or death situation and you were the only person to help them and they only had a 10% chance of liveing would you help them
[09:20] <froggy> living
[09:20] <West_coast> Yes, and I think you would too
[09:22] <froggy> so, if somebody was in your life now and they had 10% chance you would help them today?
[09:22] <West_coast> Sure
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[09:22] <froggy> even if it cost you a lot of money and time
[09:22] <Magnetos> Hello, room.
[09:22] <froggy> hi :)
[09:23] <Magnetos> Hey there. ;-)
[09:23] <Magnetos> Froggy, may I ask you a question?
[09:23] <froggy> anything
[09:23] <Magnetos> Okay, it was said a few months ago that Planet X should be visible in the night sky around September.
[09:23] <Magnetos> It's now December, and I'm wondering if that was actually the case.
[09:24] <froggy> maybe it's not coming
[09:24] <froggy> who knows
[09:24] <West_coast> it is coming
[09:24] <Magnetos> So it wasn't visible?
[09:24] <froggy> maybe it is
[09:24] <Magnetos> It is coming..but when? And what is its orbit?
[09:24] <West_coast> too small to see
[09:24] <West_coast> yet
[09:25] <Magnetos> Then how can we be sure it exists then if we cannot view it?
[09:25] <West_coast> ZT says 43 days prior to arrival you can see it with naked eye
[09:25] <froggy> i know one thing....it made me think alot
[09:25] <froggy> and that's not bad
[09:26] <Magnetos> From what I understand, the planet X has an orbit that stops just short of the asteroid belt.
[09:26] <Magnetos> Sounds like ZT changed their story then. lol
[09:26] <West_coast> Froggy: Would you want someone to help you if you needed it?
[09:26] <Magnetos> I understood that it would be visible in September.
[09:26] <froggy> it would depend
[09:26] <froggy> on the situation
[09:27] <froggy> if i asked for it and i trusted the person, yes
[09:27] <froggy> if i didn't no
[09:28] <froggy> if can't get help if you don't want it yourself
[09:28] <froggy> why?
[09:28] <Magnetos> You know, I had a remote viewer look into ZT--a very good one at that.
[09:28] <West_coast> Magnetos: check out troubled times website, "What's New"
[09:28] <Magnetos> And he found that ZT is not affliated at all with the Zetas.
[09:28] <froggy> what is a remote viewer
[09:29] <Magnetos> And that ZT is not based in Russia either.
[09:29] <West_coast> a very nebulous talent
[09:29] <Magnetos> And that ZT is just a collection of apocalypse merchants.
[09:29] <Magnetos> It's an innate skill we all have..one that the US military and KGB utlized(s).
[09:30] <froggy> that's a funny way to put it
[09:30] <Magnetos> Yeah..lol
[09:30] <Magnetos> I'm a remote viewer in training.
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[09:30] <froggy> i don't think i am an apocalypese merchant
[09:31] <froggy> hi guest
[09:31] <Guest> hi
[09:31] <Guest> very new to the pole shift discussion
[09:31] <Guest> hmmmm
[09:31] <Magnetos> I'm fairly new to it as well.
[09:32] <Guest> so, you going to buy that mountain hut?
[09:32] <froggy> why arn't you guys drinking eggnog?
[09:32] <Magnetos> Because egg nog causes digestive problems for me.
[09:32] <froggy> lol
[09:32] <Magnetos> No, I made minimal preparations for the "pole shift".
[09:32] <Guest> serious now please;)
[09:33] <froggy> ok
[09:33] <Guest> what are your minimal preperations?
[09:33] <Magnetos> I basically formed a group of people who agreed to work together in the event of a pole shift and gathered a little equipment.
[09:33] <Guest> like what?
[09:34] <Magnetos> Canned goods, boots, a portable tent, weapons, etc.
[09:34] <Magnetos> Rain coat also.
[09:34] <Magnetos> You know, basic things to protect me from the elements.
[09:34] <Guest> uhu....and you living on top of a mountain?
[09:34] <Magnetos> Not at the moment.
[09:35] <Magnetos> In the event of an impending pole shift, I plan on going to the hills of West Virginia.
[09:35] <Magnetos> Which isn't far away from me.
[09:35] <Magnetos> Just a few hours.
[09:35] <West_coast> What does ZT say about W Virginia
[09:35] <Magnetos> The overall it is safe.
[09:36] <West_coast> I need to find a safe location
[09:36] <Guest> it feels liek being soo nerdy talking about this
[09:36] <Magnetos> But will likely have some conflict between survival groups and those coming from Virginia on their boats.
[09:36] <froggy> there is a big hotel there with an underground bunk
[09:37] <froggy> it use to belong to govet
[09:37] <froggy> now it's a nice spa
[09:37] <Magnetos> Oh, really? Will being underground be the best idea in the event of Earthquakes though?
[09:37] <froggy> nimacolen....spelling is way off
[09:38] <froggy> i wouldn't want to be there ;)
[09:38] <Magnetos> West, you have plenty of time to find a safe location and make preparations..so I wouldn't fret too much.
[09:38] <Magnetos> Neither would I.
[09:38] <Magnetos> I plan on staying out in the open until it is over..if it does happen.
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[09:39] <Magnetos> I have my doubts that Planet X will be visiting us in 2003 though.
[09:40] <Magnetos> You guys are awfully quiet.
[09:40] <froggy> nobody will know till then
[09:40] <froggy> time will tell
[09:40] <West_coast> Why don't you think it is coming next year?
[09:40] <Magnetos> I suppose.
[09:40] <Magnetos> Well, I believe the orbit is every 4000 years if I'm not mistaken.
[09:41] <West_coast> So?
[09:41] <Magnetos> In that case, wouldn't it be due around 2012?
[09:41] <West_coast> Based on what?
[09:42] <Magnetos> I believe Mayan accounts of the last visit of Planet X.
[09:42] <Magnetos> This information is a bit ambiguous in my mind though.
[09:42] <West_coast> You are assuming our calendar is right
[09:42] <Magnetos> I haven't been too much into this during a period of months. lol
[09:43] <Magnetos> And, well, of course based on the accounts of a view RELIABLE remote viewers, I understand it will occur at 2012.
[09:43] <Magnetos> But will not pass us directly but by the asteroid belt.
[09:43] <froggy> what issss a reliable remote viewer?????????
[09:43] <West_coast> How can a remote viewer see the future
[09:44] <Magnetos> They can't, but they can make intelligent observations based on past events and the current movement of the planet.
[09:44] <Magnetos> One that is correct the majority of the time, froggy.
[09:45] <Magnetos> If Planet X has never passed into our orbit directly, a remote viewer can observe that.
[09:45] <froggy> yeah, like NASA
[09:45] <Magnetos> Also, when you think about it, wouldn't such an orbit be irregular for a solar system such as ours?
[09:45] <West_coast> How do you know it hasn't passed into our orbit?
[09:46] <West_coast> Plenty of comets have passed through our solar system and back again
[09:46] <Magnetos> I don't know for certain, I'm just going based on a remote viewer.
[09:46] <Magnetos> But this isn't a comet, it's a planet.
[09:47] <West_coast> no difference
[09:47] <Magnetos> There's a huge difference if this planet is part of our solar system.
[09:47] <West_coast> so are the comets Halley's for example
[09:48] <Magnetos> When solar systems form, there's a trend in angular momentum and the angle through which the body moves through.
[09:48] <Magnetos> To suggest that a planet passes through our orbit at regular intervals is to defy all laws of planetary motion in a solar system with a single star.
[09:48] <froggy> Saturn is near plantet eath now
[09:48] <Magnetos> We'd be the only solar system known to have such irregular orbits with only one sun.
[09:48] <froggy> earth
[09:49] <obany> hi
[09:49] <froggy> hi obany :)
[09:49] <West_coast> interesting theory, but I think it needs more study
[09:50] <Magnetos> Of course, because as far as we know, Planet X doesn't even exist..so a lot of assumptions are being made.
[09:50] <Magnetos> Then again, there is also the theory that our solar system really is binary.
[09:50] <obany> ooh come on magnetos...
[09:50] <Magnetos> And if that is the case, the certainly would allow for such irregular orbits.
[09:51] <obany> this channel is not for the discussion wether it's right or wrong
[09:51] <Magnetos> I'm not suggesting either. lol
[09:51] <Magnetos> My position is that I don't know.
[09:51] <Magnetos> And who truly does?
[09:51] <obany> MAY2003 POLESHIFT & AFTERTIME. Restricted to those who wish to discuss serious preparation & lead-up events. "Curious" folk are directed to www.ZetaTalk.com for basic info and #EarthChanges for more general/introductory Poleshift/PX chat
[09:52] <Magnetos> <---not curious.
[09:52] <West_coast> I bought a hunting bow, now I have to learn to use it
[09:52] <Magnetos> But I'm all for discussing preparing and lead-up events.
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[09:54] <froggy> wb mag
[09:54] <Magnetos> All the other rooms are basically empty.
[09:54] <Magnetos> t/y froggy
[09:55] <froggy> i watching my husband clean the fish tank....
[09:56] <Magnetos> Okay, I have one off-topic question.
[09:56] <Magnetos> Has anyone in here ever had experiences with ETs? I'm just curious.
[09:56] <obany> I rather don't answer that question ...
[09:56] <Magnetos> That's fine.
[09:57] <Magnetos> I just find hearing about people's experiences with ETs fascinating.
[09:57] <West_coast> I don't think you would believe it anyway
[09:57] <froggy> i have never seen one, but i believe they are here
[09:57] <Magnetos> Sure I would.
[09:57] <froggy> i would like to see one
[09:57] <Magnetos> I've had countless weird experiences with what I believe were ETs.
[09:58] <froggy> i have had dreams about them
[09:58] <froggy> what are your weird experiences?
[09:58] <Magnetos> Really? I've had one sighting that was witnessed with a member of my family.
[09:59] <Magnetos> When I was young, I experienced a great deal of paralysis during sleep.
[09:59] <froggy> what did you see?
[09:59] <Magnetos> Sometimes the paralysis occurring when I was just silently sitting in my bed--not sleeping at all.
[09:59] <West_coast> so maybe you have implants
[09:59] <Magnetos> Well, I saw this being that was about 3-4 feet tall, dark skin, and dark hair.
[10:00] <Magnetos> I believe I have implants..in my right leg.
[10:00] <Magnetos> My sister saw the same exact being, and it disappeared upon being noticed.
[10:00] <froggy> i've had that, but i think that can be normal....part of sleep
[10:00] <Magnetos> Yeah, but I wasn't sleep. lol
[10:00] <froggy> why your right leg?
[10:01] <Magnetos> Well, when I was younger, about eight or so, I felt a drilling into my right leg.
[10:01] <Magnetos> It didn't hurt at all.
[10:01] <Magnetos> But I was far too afraid to look at what was causing the drilling.
[10:01] <Magnetos> And when I looked to see what it was FINALLY, I saw nothing.
[10:02] <Magnetos> And the drilling sensation and the sounds ceased.
[10:02] <froggy> did you get that checked out?
[10:02] <Magnetos> Not yet.
[10:02] <froggy> i would
[10:02] <Magnetos> I agree.
[10:02] <froggy> maybe you were dreaming
[10:02] <Magnetos> I was wide awake.
[10:03] <Magnetos> And I'm certainly not one of those people who have trouble discerning reality from fantasy.
[10:03] <froggy> fantasy can go a long way
[10:03] <Magnetos> Sure can.
[10:04] <West_coast> Have you checked out Zetatalk website? contactees?
[10:04] <Magnetos> But how could a child fantasize about things that he has not preconceived notions about?
[10:04] <Magnetos> Not yet, West_coast..but that's certainly on my agenda.
[10:04] <West_coast> Maybe answer a lot of questions
[10:04] <froggy> i don't know
[10:05] <Magnetos> I think if I did have alien contact, the aliens were benevolent.
[10:06] <froggy> that's why i am not afraid of them
[10:06] <Magnetos> Because they took special care for me not to be traumatized.
[10:06] <West_coast> May have a lot to do with Service to Self or Service to Others
[10:07] <Magnetos> Likely, west.
[10:07] <Magnetos> My worst fear is running into service to self ETs.
[10:07] <Magnetos> Don't know what I'd do--besides fight for my well being. lol
[10:07] <froggy> not good
[10:08] <West_coast> Non interference by ET's unless you give the call
[10:08] <froggy> that is the only thing i don't like ..
[10:08] <Magnetos> Sometimes I catch myself unconsciously giving calls though.
[10:09] <Magnetos> It's almost like an uncontrollable urge.
[10:09] <froggy> what if you give the call by accident...
[10:09] <Magnetos> I always make sure I nullify possible accidental calls.
[10:09] <West_coast> 3rd density is to establish your orientation.
[10:09] <Magnetos> <---Fully service to others.
[10:10] <froggy> i think i just live my life, and if they are here fine
[10:10] <Magnetos> If they are here, I'd like to study their culture.
[10:11] <froggy> as long as you don't hurt them..just like we don't want to be hurt
[10:11] <Magnetos> That's right.
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[10:12] <Magnetos> I have a question..how long does it take for a call to be answered?
[10:12] <Ummite> merry christmas
[10:12] <West_coast> According to ZT immediately
[10:12] <Magnetos> Merry christmas.
[10:12] <froggy> happy holidays :) :)
[10:12] <Magnetos> Really? I gave a call one night whilst going for a walk.
[10:13] <Magnetos> I made the time span limited though.
[10:13] <Magnetos> Nothing happened.
[10:13] <West_coast> Check out Zetatalk.com
[10:13] <Magnetos> Alrighty.
[10:14] <froggy> i have to go my family is calling me...:) :) :) have a happy holiday everyone!
[10:14] <West_coast> happy holiday
[10:14] <Magnetos> You too, froggy. ;-)
[10:14] <froggy> :)
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[10:14] <Magnetos> I'm more interested than anything to study the way ETs live.
[10:15] <Magnetos> If I were to be taken by a group of ETs, I'd just like it to be to learn more about then.
[10:16] <West_coast> I think we need to worry about how we are going to live after May
[10:16] <Magnetos> Or if we even live at all. lol
[10:16] <West_coast> Doesn't seem that funny
[10:17] <Magnetos> You know, personally, when I think about the way life would be if the PS occurred, I'd rather be dead.
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[10:18] <Magnetos> I'd do my best to survive, but whether I did or not would be inconsequential to me.
[10:18] <West_coast> What about people you could help if you did survive?
[10:18] <Magnetos> That's a good question.
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[10:18] <Magnetos> I was thinking more along the lines that I'd die trying to help others.
[10:19] <QueenVee> hello Magnetos
[10:19] <Magnetos> Hello, Queen.
[10:19] <QueenVee> You could help others more by staying alive
[10:19] <Magnetos> But I suppose I could benefit others more if I were alive.
[10:19] <Magnetos> True, and as I said, I'd do my best to survive.
[10:19] <West_coast> Merry Christmas, QV
[10:20] <Magnetos> But I certainly wouldn't be trying to survive just so I could continue to live a life of suffering.
[10:20] <QueenVee>    MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL!     
[10:20] <QueenVee> you're living a life of suffering?
[10:20] <Magnetos> Yes, but would be even more so after the pole shift.
[10:21] <QueenVee> you have health problems?
[10:21] <Magnetos> No technically.
[10:21] <Magnetos> My problems are..beyond vocalization. lol
[10:21] <QueenVee> where do you live?
[10:22] <Magnetos> Virginia and you?
[10:22] <QueenVee> Ontario Canad
[10:22] <QueenVee> Canada
[10:22] <Magnetos> Good area.
[10:22] <Magnetos> If I remain in Virginia, I'd be unable to help anyone at all.
[10:23] <Magnetos> I believe Virginia is supposed to be 150 ft under water--eventually(it will occur gradually).
[10:23] <QueenVee> yes, you
[10:23] <QueenVee> yes, you'd want to relocate
[10:23] <Magnetos> I plan on relocating to West Virginia.
[10:24] <QueenVee> how long have you been aware of the poleshift and zetatalk?
[10:25] <Magnetos> Since about August.
[10:25] <Magnetos> I wish I were made aware of it far earlier.
[10:25] <Magnetos> It's a shame that such information isn't in the public's eye.
[10:25] <Magnetos> Then again, for those who do know about it, they'll have less people to compete with for resources..
[10:26] <Magnetos> How long have you been aware of it?
[10:26] <QueenVee> i've known about the poleshift since i was very young, but i've only been aware of zetatalk for about a year
[10:27] <Magnetos> Oh, really? How is that you were aware of it at a young age?
[10:27] <QueenVee> the work of Edgar Cayce, my own dreams, a local psychic that i studied with as a teenager....
[10:28] <Magnetos> I see.
[10:28] <West_coast> my daughter has had dreams of seeing cities underwater
[10:28] <QueenVee> until zetatalk, i was expecting the shift to occur sometime between 1998 and 2001
[10:28] <Magnetos> I've had dreams that were similar to that, west.
[10:29] <Magnetos> My dreams are more symbolic than literal though.
[10:29] <Magnetos> Really? That's an incredibly accurate estimate.
[10:29] <QueenVee> well, those were the dates given by Cayce and my mentor
[10:29] <Magnetos> From what I understand, the "first phase" of Earth moving into fourth density occurred in 1999.
[10:30] <West_coast> I think our calendar is off a few years
[10:30] <QueenVee> Magnetos: what is the source for that?
[10:31] <Magnetos> To be honest, I don't remember the source. lol
[10:31] <Magnetos> I've gone through about 50 or so sites regarding information about pole shifts and earth changes.
[10:31] <Magnetos> And that is just a bit of information that my brain happened to absorb.
[10:33] <Magnetos> Anyone ever read Cosmic Voyage by Courtney Brown?
[10:33] <QueenVee> nope
[10:34] <Magnetos> Okay, now I realize that the answer to this question may be "go to Zetatalk.com"..lol
[10:34] <QueenVee> what question?
[10:35] <Magnetos> But I fail to understand why it is necessary for billions of people to die in a catastrophe in order for us to reach 4th density..
[10:35] <Magnetos> What is the correlation between a planet passing us and causing a pole shift and reaching 4th density.
[10:35] <Magnetos> ?
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[10:35] <QueenVee> hello Doro-Hog
[10:36] <Doro-Hog> Hello to you too
[10:36] <Magnetos> Anyone have an answer for that?
[10:36] <QueenVee> Magnetos: ZT indicates that they are NOT connected
[10:36] <West_coast> read ZT.com
[10:36] <QueenVee> The passing of PX is something that happens every 3600 years, it's just a natural phenomenon....
[10:36] <Magnetos> I've read countless articles there, and still don't know a great deal of the details.
[10:37] <QueenVee> We are all taking advantage of the poleshift happening to make the switch to an STO world of 4th density....
[10:37] <QueenVee> understand?
[10:37] <Magnetos> Yeah.
[10:37] <Magnetos> T/y
[10:38] <Magnetos> What about those who are already STO?
[10:38] <QueenVee> Doro-Hog: have you been here before?
[10:38] <QueenVee> Magnetos: what about them?
[10:38] <Magnetos> Hmm, nevermind, I just subconsciously answered my own question. lol
[10:39] <Doro-Hog> Yes last saturday I think when there was a discussion with Nancy
[10:40] <QueenVee> where do you live, Doro?
[10:40] <Doro-Hog> Scandinavia...
[10:40] <QueenVee> which country?
[10:41] <Doro-Hog> Finland. Or actually Finland isn't really a part of Scandinavia..
[10:41] <Doro-Hog> But it's easier to just say that because it's easier to picture..
[10:41] <Magnetos> Regarding ZT, one grievance that I have is that the orbit of Planet X described is far too ambiguous.
[10:42] <QueenVee> how so? seems pretty specific to me
[10:43] <Magnetos> Well, as I was saying earlier, the orbit they described isn't characteristic of our type of solar system.
[10:43] <QueenVee> Doro: there is another person who comes here regular, from finland -- Ogmios
[10:43] <Magnetos> I think they need to explain how such an irregular orbit and position is possible.
[10:44] <QueenVee> Magnetos: and that would help us to prepare for the poleshift how?
[10:44] <Doro-Hog> Queen: Ok, I think I've seen some material written by a Finn in TroubledTimes also...
[10:44] <Magnetos> Queen, it would validate that the poleshift is going to happen at all.
[10:44] <QueenVee> it would?
[10:45] <Magnetos> This ambiguous, irregular, and improbable orbit they describe just isn't credulous.
[10:45] <QueenVee> not in terms of our current knowledge
[10:46] <Magnetos> Our current knowledge, but they obviously have information that mainstream society doesn't.
[10:46] <QueenVee> you are saying that in order to be credible they would have to explain it in terms of our current assumptions about how the universe works...
[10:46] <QueenVee> and they can't... because some of our assumptions are simply wrong or incomplete
[10:47] <Magnetos> They're not assumptions, they're simple laws of physics that have been observed time and time again.
[10:47] <Doro-Hog> The scientists know very little about space and the mainstream even less so I think it's a good assumption to assume that anything is possible in space...
[10:47] <Magnetos> We're not talking about space here--we're talking about physics.
[10:47] <West_coast> Magnetos: Halley's comet is in an eliptical orbit around our sun
[10:47] <Magnetos> Physical movement of heavenly bodies that have been observed in ever star system that has been observed by man.
[10:47] <QueenVee> and the zetas have indicated that some of our ideas about physics are simply WRONG
[10:48] <Magnetos> How are they wrong though? Why don't they correct us?
[10:48] <Magnetos> Again, they're making ambiguous statements.
[10:48] <QueenVee> because we lack the necessary knowledge to comprehend
[10:48] <Magnetos> West coast, our planet is in an ellipitical orbit around our sun..so what?
[10:48] <Magnetos> Oh, that's just a cop out.
[10:48] <Magnetos> A huge cop out if I've ever seen one.
[10:49] <QueenVee> Magnetos: if you are looking for a reason to doubt that the poleshift is going to happen, you are going to find one
[10:49] <Magnetos> Basically, they're saying that we shall remain ignorant because they don't feel it necessary to add to our knowledge of physics.
[10:49] <Magnetos> I'm not doubting it at all..I'm simply stating that the path of Planet X they described is ambiguous.
[10:49] <QueenVee> Magnetos: no, it is more like how do you do that? it would be like explaining advanced physics to a two-year old
[10:50] <Magnetos> I could do that EASILY.
[10:50] <QueenVee> they can't instantly transfer their knowledge to us, like in vulcan mind meld
[10:50] <Magnetos> It's as simple as breaking down the information into a language we understand.
[10:50] <Magnetos> I could explain relativity to a child not by words but with examples.
[10:50] <QueenVee> Magnetos: yeah, and the two-year old would swear up and down that what you are saying just doesn't make sense in terms of his current understanding of his world....
[10:51] <Magnetos> And you're making the assumption that we don't have enough knowledge to at least understand their level of physics.
[10:51] <QueenVee> that's what they've told us
[10:51] <Magnetos> And we believe them based on what?
[10:52] <QueenVee> why would they lie to us?
[10:52] <Magnetos> We've amassed a huge amount of information about physics..if anything, I believe that's one of the graeatest points of knowledge humans have.
[10:52] <Magnetos> Why wouldn't they have a superiority complex?
[10:52] <Magnetos> greatest.
[10:53] <West_coast> there is more to the story than ZT.com
[10:53] <Magnetos> Besides that, I believe that a few simple points could be made my ZT to explain the orbit--nothing major.
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[10:53] <West_coast> Personal experiences by various people
[10:54] <QueenVee> well, Magnetos, if you use that kind of logic, then why should we believe them about the poleshift, or anything?
[10:54] <Doro-Hog> When/If the planet becomes visible to the eye which should be in about 3 months(?) it doesn't matter if the travel path is ambiguous or not because it's there. And there will be 2 more months to prepare after that... So I don't really stress whether the path looks credible or not because if the planet arrives I'll see it soon enough.
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[10:55] <Magnetos1> Ohh, got disconnected.
[10:55] <QueenVee> Magnetos, if you use that kind of logic, then why should we believe them about the poleshift, or anything?
[10:55] <Magnetos1> I was saying that ZT could explain how it is that the planet passes through two solar systems?
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[10:56] <Magnetos1> Well, we would believe them based on faith and our own logical conclusions.
[10:56] <Magnetos1> I don't see why we should completely heed every word they say..as if they're imperfect.
[10:56] <QueenVee> i don't believe them based on faith
[10:56] <QueenVee> that would be stupid
[10:56] <alex2221> where is gil weinstein??
[10:57] <Magnetos1> Let me tell you, the ZETAs are far from perfect..if anything, they're genetically inferior to us.
[10:57] <QueenVee> oh, please
[10:57] <Magnetos1> Oh, yes, genetically inferior.
[10:57] <Magnetos1> That's a little something the Zetas don't want you to know.
[10:57] <QueenVee> you just want to pick and choose arbitrarily what you want to believe and what you don't....
[10:57] <West_coast> magnetos says he is a remote viewer
[10:57] <Magnetos1> Anyway, how is that the planet is magnetically attracted to two different stars in two different solar systems?
[10:57] * QueenVee rolls her eyes
[10:58] <Doro-Hog> I think viruses are genetically superior to us.. :)
[10:58] <Magnetos1> No, I am critically analyzing their claims to the best of my ability.
[10:58] <QueenVee> well, Magnetos, this is not the place to debate whether the zetas are lying to us or not... it is a place to discuss preparation for the May2003 Poleshift as predicted by ZetaTalk; if you wish to discuss those issues, please go to #troubled_times or #earthchanges
[10:58] <QueenVee> OK?
[10:59] <Magnetos1> I'm not suggesting the Zetas are lying..that is your own assumption.
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[10:59] <QueenVee> Topic is 'MAY2003 POLESHIFT & AFTERTIME. Restricted to those who wish to discuss serious preparation & lead-up events. "Curious" folk are directed to www.ZetaTalk.com for basic info and #EarthChanges for more general/introductory Poleshift/PX chat.'
[10:59] <Magnetos1> I'm simply saying that they could explain a few simple things to us.
[10:59] <West_coast> I bought a hunting bow and now I have to learn how to use it
[10:59] <QueenVee> Magnetos: please take it elsewhere
[10:59] <QueenVee> hey tex!!!
[10:59] <alex2221> hy
[11:00] <from_Texas> Hello QV
[11:00] <Magnetos1> I don't see how it is possible for a planet to have a set orbit in two different solar systems.
[11:00] <Magnetos1> lol
[11:00] <QueenVee>      MERRY CHRISTMAS TEX!     
[11:00] <Magnetos1> No need to get angry, Vee.
[11:00] <from_Texas> Merry Christmas QV
[11:00] <alex2221>                                                      
[11:00] <alex2221>                    ()                                 
[11:00] <alex2221>                  __/\__                              
[11:00] <alex2221>         |\   .-"`      `"-.   /|                     
[11:00] <alex2221>         | \.'( ') (' ) (. )`./ |                     
[11:00] <alex2221>          \_                  _/                      
[11:00] <Magnetos1> You see, there are questions that remained unanswered, and no one is able to answer them.
[11:00] <alex2221>            \  `~"'=::='"~` /                        
[11:00] <alex2221>     ,       `-.__      __.-'       ,                 
[11:00] <alex2221> .---'\________( `""~~""` )________/'---.             
[11:00] <alex2221>  >   )       / `""~~~~""` \       (  <              
[11:00] <alex2221> '----`--..__/        -(-)- \__..--`----'             
[11:00] <QueenVee> Magnetos: i'm not angry, i'm just asking you to stay within the stated discussion parameters of the room
[11:00] <alex2221>             |_____ __ _____|                         
[11:00] <alex2221>             [_____[##]_____] I HAVE BEEN CHOSEN...  
[11:00] <alex2221>             |              |    GOOD BYE MY FRIENDS!
[11:00] <alex2221>             \      ||      /                         
[11:00] <alex2221>              \     ||     /                           
[11:00] <Magnetos1> Someone explain to me, in terms of physics, how that is possible.
[11:00] <alex2221>           .-"~`--._||_.--'~"-.                       
[11:00] <alex2221>          (_____,.--""--.,_____)                      
[11:00] <alex2221>                                                      
[11:01] <QueenVee> Magnetos: we are not here to explain anything to you, so please stop asking us to "prove" that the zetas are telling the truth
[11:01] <Doro-Hog> Magnetos1: Maybe you should ask it in the next Zetatalk session?
[11:01] <QueenVee> this is your last warning
[11:01] <Magnetos1> And they also need to explain to me why on Earth that planet would have such an irregular orbit if we only have one star in our solar system.
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[11:01] <Magnetos1> What was your last statement, Vee?
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[11:01] <Magnetos1> Yikes.
[11:01] <QueenVee> we are not here to explain anything to you, so please stop asking us to "prove" that the zetas are telling the truth
[11:01] <QueenVee> this is your last warning
[11:01] <Magnetos1> Oh, no..you get me wrong.
[11:02] <QueenVee> if you want to discuss preparation, you are free to stay; otherwise, please go to another channel
[11:02] <alex2221> pretty he?
[11:02] <Magnetos1> Please listen to my words.
[11:02] <alex2221> qv - why ?
[11:02] <alex2221> why r u so ruff?
[11:02] <Magnetos1> I never suggested that they were lying..those were your words--not mine.
[11:02] <Doro-Hog> alex: I think you might have too much spare time :=)
[11:02] <Magnetos1> Lying never even came from my fingertips.
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[11:02] <Magnetos1> I simply said they were ambiguous.
[11:03] <Magnetos1> Last time I checked the dictionary, those were two different words.
[11:03] <West_coast> I think magnetos wants to have the last word
[11:03] <QueenVee> i think magnetos wants to be kicked
[11:03] <Magnetos1> No, I just don't want to be kicked for words I did not say.
[11:03] <Magnetos1> You know..lol
[11:04] <Magnetos1> I knew it would come to such a childish and base level.
[11:04] <Magnetos1> This room isn't even worthy of being in.
[11:04] <alex2221> ______   _______ ______  
[11:04] <alex2221> (  ___ \ (  ____ )(  ___ \
[11:04] <alex2221> | (   ) )| (    )|| (   ) )
[11:04] <alex2221> | (__/ / | (____)|| (__/ /
[11:04] <QueenVee> well, buh bye then
[11:04] <alex2221> |  __ (  |     __)|  __ (  
[11:04] <Magnetos1> I'll leave if it makes you more comfortable.
[11:04] <alex2221> | (  \ \ | (\ (   | (  \ \
[11:04] <alex2221> | )___) )| ) \ \__| )___) )
[11:04] <alex2221> |/ \___/ |/   \__/|/ \___/
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[11:04] <QueenVee> Alex: if you do that one more time you are going to be kicked
[11:04] <QueenVee> go play somewhere else
[11:04] <QueenVee> Tex: how's your holidays going?
[11:05] <from_Texas> fun and lots of food
[11:05] <from_Texas> ready to get back to the house tho
[11:05] <alex2221> QueenVee: what are you wearing?
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[11:06] <West_coast> tex: what part of texas are you in?
[11:06] <from_Texas> west
[11:06] <West_coast> ever heard of Big Lake
[11:07] <from_Texas> isn't that west of midland?
[11:07] <West_coast> not sure
[11:08] <West_coast> Are you planning an exodus from Texas before long
[11:08] <from_Texas> that is in the plans West_coast
[11:09] <West_coast> My folks are in Marshall. I think they finally decided to sell
[11:09] <West_coast> going to be awfully wet down there
[11:09] <from_Texas> yes.. i would think marshall will be in big trouble
[11:10] <West_coast> Where are you going to go?
[11:10] <from_Texas> new mexico
[11:10] <QueenVee> well, my Xmas dinner is ready, gotta go
[11:10] <QueenVee> talk to you all later
[11:11] <West_coast> C U later
[11:11] <from_Texas> ok glad i got to visit QV
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[11:15] <[3j]> MERRY CHRISTMAS :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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[11:39] <ac> <-- Merry Christmas from Atlatic City, New Jersey  --- soon to be underwater!
[11:40] <Queen-away> ac: are you WWWqWWW?
[11:41] <ac> -sho nuff' -- that should be easier for people than the Thunderbird ID
[11:42] <Queen-away> okay, are you going to stick with "ac" now?
[11:42] <ac> I haven't read the log but it looks as if you had quite a little discussion with Magnetos
[11:43] <Queen-away> well, the "what if the zetas are not telling us the truth" and "why don't they give us PROOF" line of discussions gets really old...
[11:43] <ac> probably -- which would be better?  ac  or AC  or ACNJ
[11:44] <Queen-away> your choice, just stick with one so that we know who you are
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[11:46] <Doro-Hog> Has anyone thought about gaining weight before the shift? It seems like a good excuse to eat more ;)
[11:47] <ac> Oddly enough, that is a very practival suggestion    mtc (more to come)
[11:48] <Jurian> 20:48:30 | <alex2221> tell qv to unban me
[11:48] <Jurian> 20:48:32 | <alex2221> i'm sorry
[11:48] <Jurian> 20:49:04 | <alex2221> plz
[11:49] <ac> I spent a month in the CCCP in 1967. One of the group had a relative there who had only survived the Seige of Leningrad because she was a big time chubby.
[11:49] <Jurian> heh, what shall I say to him?
[11:49] <QueenVee> Jurian: tell him to go away
[11:49] <QueenVee> he's been pissing me off for days
[11:49] <ac> all her siblings died.
[11:49] <QueenVee> ac: interesting
[11:49] <ac> siege, that is
[11:49] <Jurian> heh, right
[11:50] <Jurian> merry xmas by the way :)
[11:50] <QueenVee>     MERRY CHRISTMAS JURIAN!!!     
[11:51] <Jurian> :)
[11:51] <Jurian> might be the last one, so better enjoy it :p
[11:51] <QueenVee> no, not the last one, just the last one like what we're used to....
[11:52] <ac> Promoting weight gain may also turn out to the most convincing argument for the average overweight American. They can relate to that.
[11:52] <Jurian> yeah, that's what I meant :p
[11:52] <Doro-Hog> ac: hehe :)))
[11:58] <ac> Hey, it's Christmas. WWJD  What would Jesus do?  Give the guy an pardon and a warning. He said I'm sorry and please.
[11:58] <Doro-Hog> I was thinking about gaining around 22lbs of muscle and fat by the summer just to get my strength levels up for my weight training hobby but maybe it will be beneficial in survival if shit really hits the fan.
[11:58] <ac> spirit of the season and all that.
[11:59] <QueenVee> ac: he's been banned and warned so many times -- no more chances
[12:00] <ac> nice thing about fat is that you don't have to face the storage problem.
[12:00] <QueenVee> gotta do the dishes now....
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[12:00] <Doro-Hog> ac:Yes it wont spoil :)
[12:01] <ac> exactly!
[12:02] <ac> and nobody can steal it. Maybe we're on to something here.
[12:04] <ac> Perhaps that means that Samoans will rule the world.
[12:05] <Doro-Hog> lol :)
[12:06] <Doro-Hog> Its just that getting fat can be hard while trying to maintain a relatively good physical condition... So optimal would be to exercise and gain weight at the same time.
[12:07] <ac> to each his own
[12:07] <Doro-Hog> Of course it's easy to just sit home and eat but when you have to start to work for survival the body might not be in a good enough condition.
[12:10] <ac> A lot of things change with px -- outcomes are unpredictable -- As B. F. Skinner said, "Selection by consequences." In some ways it's one big gamble.
[12:11] <ac> you wouldn't ordinarily thing of being overweight as being an asset.
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[12:29] <Queen-away>     MERRY CHRISTMAS FROGGY!     
[12:29] <froggy> :)
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[12:29] <QueenVee> hi humvee
[12:29] <froggy> Merry Christma QueenVee
[12:29] <froggy> s
[12:30] <humvee> hi queen merry christmas and happy returns o the day
[12:30] <froggy> so beautiful
[12:30] <QueenVee>     MERRY CHRISTMAS HUMVEE!!     
[12:30] <QueenVee> it's a white christmas here
[12:31] <froggy> same here
[12:31] <QueenVee> just finished a huge Xmas dinner... likely the last i'll have for may years to come....
[12:31] <humvee> its raining here the best we can do with the increased temp vibs
[12:32] <humvee> we did eve diner w/family & a few friends
[12:33] <QueenVee> i'm doing the dishes in stages.... let a sinkload soak.... take a break.... then wash them; put in another sinkload to soak.... take a break.....
[12:33] <humvee> buy turkey a flat of fertile eggs $1.75 each last i checked on the web (feed them the bugs)
[12:34] <humvee> the gift that keeps on giving - poultry
[12:34] <froggy> soon you will eat the bugs
[12:34] <humvee> only frogs and my cat eat bugs
[12:35] <froggy> this frog never ate a bug...
[12:36] <humvee> we do have a large roach in hawaii that they say tastes like chicken
[12:36] <froggy> everything taste just like chicken
[12:36] <humvee> chasing a small tree lizard - will let u know
[12:37] <froggy> yuck
[12:37] <humvee> am designing a small huricane chicken coop
[12:38] <humvee> lots of ties and straps to hold it down
[12:42] <humvee> anyone looking with a telescope yet - to see what steve havas is seeing ?
[12:42] <QueenVee> not me
[12:43] <humvee> I made a graph of the weeks vs distance and then added the sightin info and it looks like 3 weeks
[12:43] <humvee> till I can see px w/ a 6" no track scope
[12:44] <QueenVee> not too long to wait
[12:44] <humvee> meanwhile looking to learn that part of the sky it takes a few hours and a cluple of evenings to learn
[12:44] <froggy> what will you think if 3 weeks come and you can not see it?
[12:44] <QueenVee> good work!
[12:45] <froggy> if
[12:45] <QueenVee> brb, gotta do the second load of dishes...
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[12:46] <froggy> bye
[12:46] <humvee> what froggy
[12:46] <froggy> what if you don't see px in 3 weeks
[12:47] <humvee> then the bubble would pop & I would be very interested to find out why not
[12:47] <froggy> what will you think?
[12:47] <humvee> I thing the sightings have shown up and moved exactly as predicted
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[12:48] <froggy> so then it should show up then
[12:49] <froggy> then i wonder what the world will do
[12:49] <humvee> I thing if steve can be believed (he gives raw data) it has
[12:49] <humvee> the world is already starting to do
[12:49] <froggy> how
[12:50] <froggy> in the movies?
[12:50] <humvee> as soon as the pictures get to where more form is visible a couple of weeks the astronomy world will burst
[12:51] <froggy> that would be wild
[12:51] <humvee> most discoveries dont get released for 2 years astro\nomers are notoriously sloooow
[12:51] <froggy> why are they so slow?
[12:52] <humvee> because of the last few comets not causing any trouble people will not be too alarmed at first
[12:52] <froggy> scarry
[12:52] <humvee> because it takes a while to figure out what u r looking at in a scope
[12:53] <humvee> they realllly dont like to be wrong  alot of peer pressure/govt funding
[12:54] <humvee> the time they said a comet would hit  only to have 2 announce it would not a bit later 4 instance
[12:54] <froggy> yeah, i guess so
[12:54] <humvee> where r u seeing the sky from
[12:54] <froggy> Maryland
[12:54] <humvee> nice
[12:55] <humvee> r u going 2 relocate
[12:55] <froggy> where are you from
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[12:55] <froggy> no i am not going to relocate
[12:55] <humvee> Kauai, Hawaii island of 50,000 people
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[12:55] <froggy> hi, Texas
[12:55] <humvee> hi texas
[12:56] <from_Texas> hey .. how is everyone today
[12:56] <humvee> full & full of it
[12:56] <from_Texas> lol... i know that feeling
[12:57] <froggy> well, i have to go eat my dinner......see you later :) :)
[12:57] <humvee> the ol saying bout blue eyed Texans (half full)
[12:57] <from_Texas> bye for now froggy
[12:57] <humvee> bye froggy
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[12:58] <from_Texas> well i'm blue eyed
[12:58] <humvee> have u read the texas page re the water rolling into the Texas flat lands on ZT?
[12:58] <from_Texas> but more than half full
[12:58] <humvee> good
[12:58] <from_Texas> oh yes humvee
[12:58] <katie22> i just checked the san fransisco quake data
[12:58] <katie22> and there has been many quakes
[12:58] <humvee> sounds like u would have 2 seek higher ground till things settle out a bit
[12:59] <from_Texas> l live in the high plains... but still in danger
[12:59] <katie22> 40+ within 2 weeks
[13:00] <from_Texas> that doesn't sound good katie
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[13:00] <ac> What, if any, is the relationship between yggdrasil and ydgrasil and where are they from, if any one knows, please.
[13:00] <katie22> no
[13:01] <katie22> i think sf will sink soon
[13:01] <from_Texas> ac ... they are the same
[13:01] <ac> k
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[13:01] <from_Texas> and from new mexico
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[13:02] <from_Texas> katie you maybe right
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[13:03] <from_Texas> humvee is having a time of it ... me thinks
[13:07] <from_Texas> time to go eat somemore... everyone have a wonderful day
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[13:09] <humvee1> had a java net reset by peer &  host trying to reconnect too fast (throttled) mesages & bumped off
[13:10] <humvee1> katie22 still trere?
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[13:15] <QueenVee> Katie22: Hello
[13:15] <katie22> hello
[13:15] <QueenVee> what brings you to this room, on Xmas day, Katie?
[13:16] <katie22> i found it thru zetatalk
[13:16] <QueenVee> how long have you been aware of zetatalk and the poleshift?
[13:17] <katie22> just started reading 2 months ago
[13:17] <QueenVee> where do you live?
[13:18] <katie22> lake george
[13:19] <QueenVee> where's that?
[13:19] * obany is back
[13:19] <katie22> new york statw
[13:20] <QueenVee> hi obany
[13:20] <QueenVee> what elevation are you at, katie?
[13:20] <katie22> im not sure
[13:22] <QueenVee> lake george is in the adironacks, isn't it?
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[13:22] <QueenVee> hello Alone -- what brings you to this room?
[13:22] <katie22> no
[13:23] <katie22> its in ny
[13:23] <Alone> Just becomming aquainted with this discussion interface.
[13:23] <QueenVee> katie: the adirondack mountains are in New York
[13:23] <Alone> I have been following the P-X information for about a year now.
[13:24] <katie22> oh
[13:24] <humveexmas> Lake George = Adirondak / Applachian mountains ?
[13:25] <QueenVee> Alone: whereabouts do you live?
[13:25] <Alone> NE Wisc.
[13:26] <QueenVee> good place to be for the shift
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[13:26] <QueenVee> Katie22: have you been preparing for the poleshift?
[13:27] <QueenVee> how about you, Alone?
[13:27] <katie22> yes
[13:27] <Alone> Yes and no..
[13:27] <QueenVee> katie: are you planning to relocate?
[13:28] <Alone> I am at that point of not being completely convinced (still in that denial stage).
[13:29] <Alone> I have to sign off for now. Christmas dinner is prepared. I wlill be comming back on this site to share ideas and thoughts in the days to come.
[13:29] <QueenVee> bye
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[13:30] <katie22> yes i am
[13:30] <QueenVee> to where?
[13:33] <katie22> canada i think
[13:33] <katie22> its close to me
[13:34] <QueenVee> anywhere in particular in canada?
[13:36] <QueenVee> roOt-dIR (aka katie22): ya kinda gave yourself away when you didn't know that the adirondacks are in New York state....
[13:37] <katie22> well i dont want to be kicked
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[13:40] * obany is here now, ... had a friend over ...
[13:40] <obany> and then later on i drank some coffee and watched some  tv
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[13:41] <bearz> hello qv!!!!!!!!!
[13:41] <QueenVee> i could use some coffee, i had some eggnog and rum and i feel a bit woozy
[13:41] <QueenVee> hell bearz!!!!!!!
[13:41] <QueenVee> hello, that is
[13:41] <bearz> how are you?
[13:41] <QueenVee> stuffed and woozy
[13:41] <bearz> ha
[13:41] <bearz> love it
[13:42] <bearz> just wanted to say i love yr sense of humour
[13:42] <bearz> and i enjoy chatting w/ya
[13:42] <QueenVee> ha, thanks
[13:42] <bearz> even if we don't always agree
[13:42] <bearz> i still like hearing others pov's
[13:43] <bearz> ya!!!!!
[13:43] <bearz> been thinking of moving to cali
[13:43] <QueenVee> california?
[13:43] <bearz> heck yeah
[13:43] <QueenVee> have a death wish, do you?
[13:43] <bearz> lots of friends there
[13:43] <bearz> why put off the inevitable
[13:43] <humveexmas> slip slidin away
[13:43] <bearz> life is terminal
[13:43] <QueenVee> true enough
[13:44] <QueenVee> just a question of when
[13:44] <QueenVee> and how
[13:44] <bearz> i'll keep my house in the mtns
[13:44] <bearz> here
[13:44] <bearz> fly out after i goto ny
[13:44] <bearz> meet w/friends for a new film project
[13:45] <QueenVee> cool
[13:45] <bearz> hows it up there today
[13:45] <QueenVee> snowy
[13:46] <bearz> gorgeous
[13:46] <bearz> its sunny brisk windy here 39 maybe degrees
[13:46] <bearz> what on EARTH ever happend to the planet going metric?
[13:46] <QueenVee> fairly mild here, took a nice long walk with the dog, who enjoyed rolling in the fluffy white stuff
[13:46] <bearz> it fizzled out down here too difficult I guess LOL!!!
[13:46] <QueenVee> well, we've been metric in canada since i was a kid
[13:47] <bearz> sound great love the clean cold air w/out Chemtrails
[13:47] <bearz> yeah qv
[13:47] <QueenVee> yes, it is clear air here
[13:47] <QueenVee> my athsma problems completely cleared up when in moved back here from Toronto
[13:48] <bearz> now, qv...do you get much CT spray where u are?
[13:48] <bearz> brain wilson is on
[13:48] <QueenVee> none
[13:49] <bearz> Live @ the Roxy GOD
[13:49] <bearz> awesome
[13:49] <bearz> really no ct spray?
[13:49] <bearz> hmmmm
[13:49] <QueenVee> i've never seem chemtrails
[13:49] <bearz> i saw some pix of heavy spray over UK
[13:49] <bearz> recently
[13:49] <bearz> oh
[13:49] <bearz> interesting
[13:50] <bearz> remember when i asked nancy about them?
[13:50] <QueenVee> um... no.... remind me
[13:50] <bearz> she/zeta's said they're local
[13:50] <bearz> but not really expanding on that much
[13:50] <QueenVee> okay, that sounds like an off-hand comment by nancy, no ZT
[13:51] <bearz> just wondering what she/the z's know of them?
[13:51] <bearz> not zt?
[13:51] <QueenVee> bearz: they have commented on them quite extensively....
[13:51] <bearz> well I'll def look into the logs
[13:51] <bearz> when I have time tonight
[13:52] <bearz> very fascinating all in all
[13:52] <bearz> the z's info
[13:52] <humveexmas> said were sto elite w/ influence over us brit govt officials
[13:52] <bearz> brit as in UK?
[13:52] <humveexmas> crouf control thru cold virus/bactreria - yes
[13:53] <QueenVee> as i recall, they said they were the govt testing out chemicals that would merely make people temporarily sick....
[13:53] <bearz> whats up with these wretched sto's
[13:53] <QueenVee> to be used in the event of domestic riots....
[13:53] <bearz> thats not how it's supposed to go
[13:53] <bearz> sto's that is
[13:53] <humveexmas> croud control experiments testing dispersal w weak flu bugs
[13:53] <QueenVee> but that in the end they were not be used for that purpose
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[13:53] <bearz> .....
[13:54] <QueenVee> sorry, what question did you have about sto's?
[13:54] <QueenVee> hello edude
[13:54] <bearz> well that should be the norm
[13:54] <humveexmas> yes - when things unwind no one there to fuel planes left unattended
[13:54] <bearz> the sto way
[13:54] <edude> hello qv
[13:54] <bearz> humvee are you in military?
[13:54] <QueenVee> bearz: well, there are a lot of things that *should* be....
[13:55] <bearz> or the millitary even?
[13:55] <humveexmas> had 4 yrs in coast guard toeing boats & pulling soggy weekenders out o the water-lots of fun
[13:55] <bearz> ha
[13:55] <bearz> bet you got tired of that fast eh?
[13:56] <bearz> i mean people who don't really know how to sail or anything about the watercraft
[13:56] <humveexmas> would rather fly than rock back and forth on any more boats
[13:56] <bearz> right
[13:57] <bearz> did you ever fly in a catalina?
[13:57] <humveexmas> I bet steam boats become fashonable again
[13:57] <bearz> right even steam powered areo-planes...
[13:57] <QueenVee> ZT: "Chemtrails are a study in how to make a populace sick, so it cannot demand services and food from its government...."
[13:57] <humveexmas> yes as a matter even went to cCatalina Island in 1 fm san pedo
[13:58] <humveexmas> flew back in a Zlin passed torrance tower inverted @ 500' asl
[13:59] <humveexmas> not too popular with ops after that one
[13:59] <bearz> QV, well I'm oppossed to making people sick
[13:59] <bearz> besides I'm not in the health care industry
[13:59] <bearz> hehe!!!
[14:00] <bearz> Humvee sounds like an incredible adventure
[14:00] <humveexmas> might be increasing immune resistance as an unplanned side effect
[14:00] <bearz> they're perfect for flying in sunny blue sky's...
[14:00] <bearz> right
[14:00] <QueenVee> QV: well, i think you'll find mostpeople are opposed to making people sick...
[14:00] <humveexmas> have a seaplane kit but no time to build it
[14:00] <QueenVee> except the people who want them to be sick
[14:01] <bearz> but of course QV...
[14:01] <bearz> humvee what type of sea-plane kit?
[14:01] <humveexmas> am looking more at a ultralight - open cocpit and scarfs
[14:02] <humveexmas> venture air - happy miles kit
[14:02] <bearz> right...love the fact its more of a fly by the seat of yr pants feeling
[14:02] <bearz> i always wanted to buy a old passenger plane and convert into a house
[14:02] <bearz> or cafe
[14:02] <humveexmas> was not too impressed w/reviews of flying charestics when tested so slowed down on that one
[14:03] <bearz> whatever happend to jet pack technology?
[14:03] <bearz> afterall isn't this the future?
[14:03] <humveexmas> I knew someone out at the desert who had an old bamboo bomber he cakked it all wood and 2 radials
[14:04] <bearz> did you get pix?
[14:04] <bearz> would love to see it
[14:04] <bearz> say, perhaps you know
[14:04] <humveexmas> jet packs not practicle low mpg / range
[14:04] <bearz> are there any more air plane grave yards
[14:04] <bearz> w/wwII planes left?
[14:05] <bearz> QV thanks for yr info
[14:05] <humveexmas> lots in cal desert and all those small airports over the country
[14:05] <humveexmas> in hawaii they park them when too high hours
[14:05] <bearz> w/WWII planes? I saw pix of them but w/more recent planes
[14:05] <bearz> only vintage really interest me
[14:06] <obany> QueenVee: there is a link now on the groups formation page of troubled times to the shift2003 site because of the network with others section
[14:06] <humveexmas> ww2 planes rare now and worth shipping / ferrying so leave here newer junk stays tho
[14:07] <bearz> I think they're the most beautiful things to fly that human's have constructed
[14:07] <humveexmas> I see the wright bros replicas flew on the aniversary last weeks
[14:07] <bearz> here in nc?
[14:08] <humveexmas> I always likes cunard styles
[14:08] <bearz> def nice design there
[14:08] <humveexmas> in kittyhawk nj   to & back fm midwest I think
[14:09] <humveexmas> I enjoy slow and fresh air flying
[14:09] <humveexmas> thoes old engines ran fine on alchol fuels during the wars
[14:10] <bearz> humvee where on earth are you now?
[14:10] <humveexmas> we gro cane here and am brewing my first av fuel this week as time permits
[14:10] <humveexmas> Kauia HI
[14:10] <bearz> would anyone be interested in plans for a generator created out of a lawn mower engine?
[14:11] <humveexmas> sure
[14:11] <bearz> ok we'll private and get yr email addy
[14:11] <bearz> QV is there somewheres to post this info possibly?
[14:11] <humveexmas> have a collection of chevy self regulating altenators for wind/gens
[14:11] <humveexmas> email?
[14:12] <bearz> which model alternators?
[14:12] <humveexmas> humvee@hawaiian.net
[14:12] <bearz> for the gen info
[14:12] <bearz> ok kool
[14:12] <QueenVee> bearz: one that runs on what?
[14:12] <bearz> whatever, gas or can be modified
[14:12] <humveexmas> the 1970-1980  with the bridge rectifieds inside  delco remy delcothron
[14:12] <bearz> there'll still be gas supplies
[14:12] <QueenVee> there won't be any gas in the aftertime
[14:13] <bearz> not for all
[14:13] <bearz> qv
[14:13] <QueenVee> yes, for all. that is what zt advises
[14:13] <bearz> humvee anything from mainland you need?
[14:13] <bearz> well not for this entity
[14:13] <QueenVee> how do you plan to have gas in the aftertime?
[14:13] <humveexmas> bringing 55 drumbs with stabil  then alcohol by drilling the jets bigger in carb
[14:14] <bearz> right....humvee do you do those yrself
[14:15] <humveexmas> gas = 6 months - 1yr max  then sugar cane = molases = fuel by distilling  ethanoe = moonshine wisky 180 proof
[14:15] <bearz> exactly & thats excellent planning humvee not everyone is going to be wandering lost in rags
[14:15] <bearz> besides yr in the right place for sugar cane
[14:16] <bearz> lots of alternatives QV
[14:16] <QueenVee> humvee: where are you going to get sugarcane?
[14:16] <bearz> to petrol
[14:16] <humveexmas> yes got drumbs fm roofer empty  lots of still plans around   ethanot good 4 cooking fuel also
[14:16] <QueenVee> yes, there are alternatives now, but there won't be in the aftertime because the materials needed to create those alternatives won't be available
[14:16] <bearz> then people will ne to be creative
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[14:16] <bearz> the same principles of combustion will still apply
[14:17] <bearz> here, now and future
[14:17] <humveexmas> it grows in low and also HIGH fields here like a weed since all the mills mostly shut now
[14:17] <QueenVee> without sun?
[14:18] <humveexmas> have t hand harvest like japanese field workers use to  w/cane knifes
[14:18] <bearz> listen QV Even you have to admit if & when no one knows for certain how its going to work out
[14:18] <bearz> why not have a clear line of options
[14:18] <QueenVee> of course not, that's why i rely on ZT for information
[14:18] <bearz> & be willing to help others
[14:18] <humveexmas> will be on new equator mild gloom but more sun over all
[14:18] <bearz> exactly hum
[14:19] <QueenVee> i AM trying to help others, but advising them to prepare for the worst
[14:19] <bearz> qv fyi
[14:19] <bearz> high winds here
[14:19] <QueenVee> instead of confidently making preparations that will prove useless in the aftertime
[14:19] <bearz> thats wise qv
[14:19] <humveexmas> egg boats rule
[14:19] <bearz>  useless are you a visionary?
[14:19] <bearz> no preperation is useless
[14:20] <bearz> only negative attitudes are useless
[14:20] <QueenVee> bearz: what on earth makes you think i am advising no preparation?
[14:20] <QueenVee> this is a chatroom about preparation
[14:20] <humveexmas> many people have a knowing these days - and are preparing accordingly
[14:20] <bearz> thats right hum
[14:20] <bearz> thats why we're all here
[14:20] <humveexmas> good point
[14:20] <bearz> holds on guys lemme get the url for the generator ok
[14:21] <bearz> brb
[14:21] <bearz> here it is folks!
[14:21] <humveexmas> I like the lawnmower idea as they are laying around everywhere u look
[14:21] <bearz> i built one of these works ok for certain needs
[14:21] <bearz> http://theepicenter.com/tow082099.html
[14:22] <bearz> there y'all are : )
[14:22] <QueenVee> well, my advice is to try any kind of theoretical alternatives you want, but not to rely on them; to have a plan that does not involve such alternatives -- because that is what ZT has advised
[14:22] <bearz> LOVE YOU QV!!!!
[14:22] <bearz> I agree
[14:23] <QueenVee> why not simply buy a good generator for use in the aftertime?
[14:23] <QueenVee> if you are confident you will have the fuel to run it?
[14:24] <bearz> b/cuz I like making things
[14:24] <humveexmas> we home time tinkerers like to do hands on more satisfying to make things with tools and parts that u get 4 free
[14:24] <bearz> & as far as fuel goes we'll see when we run out if we do
[14:24] <bearz> always nothing but optionds QV
[14:25] <bearz> right humvee
[14:25] <bearz> what'd you think hum of the plans?
[14:25] <humveexmas> that picture shows all cool site
[14:26] <humveexmas> will have it together by saturday am
[14:26] <bearz> ha excellent
[14:26] <bearz> love it
[14:26] <bearz> how are you set for solar
[14:27] <QueenVee> solar? no sun, guys
[14:27] <bearz> I've actually got extra batteries rigged up in one of my trucks
[14:27] <bearz> & at night I plyg into them
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[14:27] <bearz> qv, well currentl we still have sun my little ray of hope
[14:27] <humveexmas> h3.5hp briggs & stratton run fine with no mods on any % alcohol up to 100% /180 proog wiskey
[14:27] <QueenVee> bearz: what the hell do you base that on?
[14:27] <bearz> waht?
[14:27] <bearz> or what even?
[14:28] <QueenVee> there will not be enough sun in the aftertime for solar power
[14:28] <humveexmas> ran mine on ol granday for a month of mowing no problemd smelled like a baroom
[14:28] <bearz> who said there won't be sunshine?
[14:28] <QueenVee> have you even read zettatalk?
[14:28] <bearz> not me
[14:29] <QueenVee> ZT has repeatedly advises that there will be chronic volcanic gloom for years after the shift
[14:29] <humveexmas> yes if u get sheets of stainless steel or similar reflective material
[14:29] <QueenVee> i.e., not enough sun for solar power
[14:29] <bearz> listen I may discuss ideas for prep here with people that may or may not be according to official thinking like lawn mower generators why does that bother any one?
[14:29] <humveexmas> set up like a flower to increase the amount of light
[14:29] <bearz> or ask about current solar ideas
[14:29] <bearz> for now we still have old mr/ sunshine
[14:29] <bearz> its all about options
[14:30] <bearz> now & in future
[14:30] <bearz> lots of this stuff can be built by almost anyone
[14:30] <humveexmas> look at the flowers the will still work in low light Nasturshims
[14:30] <bearz> isn't that great?
[14:30] <QueenVee> OKAY, LISSEN UP, BEARZ: this is a chatroom for those who are preparing for the May2003 AS PREDICTED BY ZETATALK -- and that includes preparing for the conditions that have been predicted by ZetaTalk....
[14:30] <bearz> okay so if you would give an Official list of whats acceptable to talk about
[14:31] <QueenVee> If you don't think the conditions that have been predicted by zetatalk are accurate, then you shouldn't be here
[14:31] <bearz> then we won't havea ny free thinking
[14:31] <QueenVee> bearz: go and start a chat room to discuss whatever you want
[14:31] <humveexmas> exchanging ideas with those on the site has helped me to focus on things todo
[14:31] <bearz> prep for any condition is always good
[14:31] <bearz> I don't know to what extent anything will happen
[14:31] <QueenVee> what part of AS PREDICTED BY ZETATALK do you not understand?
[14:31] <bearz> atleast people are talking
[14:32] <humveexmas> qv even those w slightly divergent ideas contribute to those suggestions sometimes
[14:32] <bearz> has absolutely NOTHING to do w/understanding
[14:32] <bearz> simply an exchange of prep ideas foir those who are inclined to build or talk about them....
[14:32] <Doro-Hog> Have I understood correctly that along the new equator there will be heavy ashfall for maybe years so that life is pretty much impossible there?
[14:32] <QueenVee> i'm sorry, my intention is for people to discuss realistic preparation -- and i won't tolerate people who advocate preparation that the zetas have advised is not realistic
[14:33] <bearz> yeah what ever lets all run into a cave screaming helpless good ideas
[14:33] <QueenVee> bearz: there is a channel called #earthchanges that you might find more to your liking
[14:33] <bearz> hmmm  i'll check it out
[14:34] <humveexmas> Have studied ZT info extensively then made map of my area prevailing winds etc volcanis prob emissions and find zt to say the new equator fairly good area
[14:34] <bearz> its not like i meant to distrub anyones beliefs or contradict any info about potential shifts ect...
[14:35] <humveexmas> alution islands, hawaii, antactria, new land only things on new equarot
[14:35] <QueenVee> it's not a question of disturbing anyone's beliefs, it's a question of not respecting the discussion parameters set for this room
[14:35] <QueenVee> humvee: yes, ZT indicates that hawaii will actually be a good place to be
[14:35] <bearz> sorry thought offering how to was in some way preperation ....
[14:36] <QueenVee> it's not preparation if it calls on resources that will not be available in the aftertime --
[14:36] <Doro-Hog> "Thus, those lands directly in the path of the prevailing westerly, in the curling from the Equator manner they develop, and the return to the Equator from higher altitudes they develop, can be expected to be heavily ashed."
[14:36] <Doro-Hog> http://www.zetatalk.com/Xtime/x22.htm
[14:36] <bearz> there will always be some amount of an exceeptable source for combustion & parts to maintain such a device
[14:36] <humveexmas> gasoline will be very problematicle to get through then not last as no resupply
[14:37] <Doro-Hog> This is what I'm not sure of... Does that mean that everywhere along the equator there will be much ash raining down?
[14:37] <QueenVee> bearz: that is not what zetatalk advises
[14:37] <QueenVee> Doro-Hog: here is the ZT section on hawaii: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx039.htm
[14:37] <bearz> if the zeta's are so enlightened & wonderful then why don't they assist in this cosmic drama?
[14:37] <humveexmas> a lot of things can be used for fuel - conservation needing les fuel are all part of the equasion QV
[14:37] <QueenVee> humvee: were you satisfied with ZT answers to your hawaii questions last week?
[14:38] <humveexmas> yes helped more than u will ever know
[14:38] <QueenVee> excellent
[14:38] <bearz> If theres not going to be anything left on EARTH then why even have thjis forrum?
[14:39] <bearz> or any for that amtter
[14:39] <QueenVee> humvee: thus far you have mentioned sugar cane as something that can be used as an alternative, but have not advised how cane will be available in the aftertime without the conditions to grow it....
[14:39] <QueenVee> bearz: read zetatalk for an anwer to that
[14:39] <bearz> TIME OUT for a sec guys
[14:39] <bearz> Mild Quake Felt in Northeast New York State
[14:39] <humveexmas> The poiint of water movement has already split our group into 2 locations HI vs thoes already picking out MN farm as we speak
[14:39] <bearz> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=570&ncid=753&e=1&u=/nm/20021225/sc_nm/quake_newyork_dc
[14:40] <bearz> I don't doubt any help or info QV
[14:40] <QueenVee> humvee: i am VERY interested in knowing what kind of fuel can be made from MATERIALS READILY AVAILABLE IN THE AFTERTIME
[14:40] <humveexmas> cane here should be the rare case as will be hotter  also lots of feed stocks can be fermented  will have to be flexible
[14:40] <bearz> just don't see having an open & free exchange of alternatives as being evil
[14:41] <bearz> infact its quite STO's
[14:41] <QueenVee> bearz: i've explained the situation -- if you continue to bitch about it, i will kick you
[14:41] <QueenVee> humvee: define "feed stocks"?
[14:41] <humveexmas> the reflectors are planned to b used for vegatable by the square foot gardens not sugar cane too big an area
[14:41] <bearz> who's bitching
[14:42] <bearz> Kick me if you wish & demonstrate how open to ideas you are
[14:42] <bearz> hOW STO's that is
[14:42] <humveexmas> chill out I like ur exchange of ideas it up to beholder how to use each idea
[14:42] <QueenVee> humvee: why do you think that there will be more sun (required for growing sugar cane) in hawaii than anywhere else?
[14:43] <bearz> thanks hum
[14:43] <bearz> thats why i like the web free flow of helpful ideas
[14:43] <bearz> its refreshing to talk w/you
[14:43] <bearz> you have many similar ideas]
[14:44] <bearz> practical alternatives
[14:44] <QueenVee> humvee?
[14:44] <humveexmas> bieng at the pivot point HI now some 800 miles north of the Equator will mive slightly to the new euator which ilee be 160 degrees
[14:45] <QueenVee> okay, you're talking warmth, not sunlight
[14:45] <QueenVee> volcanic gloom will be as bad in hawaii as anywhere else, if not worse
[14:45] <bearz> might as well call it quits humvee
[14:45] <bearz> i'll email you
[14:46] <bearz> humvee we'll continue the ideas
[14:46] <humveexmas> new line between Kauai and NIhihau so climate of Equador now  less loss from volcanic gloom could even out to enought sun togrow somethings well
[14:46] <QueenVee> but ZT does not indicate that -- that doesn't make sense
[14:46] <QueenVee> that's wishful thinking on your part
[14:47] <QueenVee> there will be enough sun in some areas for certain kinds of very low light crops
[14:47] <QueenVee> but not for strong-sun crops like sugar cane
[14:47] <bearz> see thats  a start at least
[14:48] <humveexmas> look an the flattened out paste together new earth on TT shows no america & so amer in new north hemisph
[14:48] <QueenVee> humvee: why would ZT advise no sun in your area when they will be sun, according to you?
[14:48] <QueenVee> all you're saying is that you're hoping the zetas are wrong
[14:48] <humveexmas> see the alution islanns then new land then antartica then 160 degrees HI islands right on new EQ
[14:49] <QueenVee> that's not practical preparation
[14:49] <QueenVee> one's placement on the equator has NOTHING to do with volcanic gloom
[14:49] <QueenVee> however one's placement near volcanoes DO have something to do with volcanic gloom
[14:49] <QueenVee> and the last time i looked, hawaii had a few of those
[14:49] <humveexmas> Nancy map clearly shows 160 as line of new EQ
[14:50] <QueenVee> why do you think being near the equator will mean sunlight?
[14:51] <humveexmas> islands placement new westerlys should not bring vog(volcanic emmisions between islands most of the time
[14:52] <QueenVee> humvee: that makes no sense whatsoever; ZT advises that areas MILES away from volcanoes will be severely affected by volcanic gloom
[14:52] <bearz> qv, are there otheres in here besides us?
[14:52] <z---ac-log> QV -- just caught a few sentences of this -- I'll review the log later -- but you should try to be more open minded. You can't be quite so certain and difinative about these things. I doubt that you are aware of the Intra-Tropical convergence zone that has a significant effect on the weather at the Equator. You  can't know everything. I only know because I was a Navigot when we crossed the Equator. Just try t
[14:52] <QueenVee> i don't know everything. but i do know what ZT advises
[14:52] <humveexmas> It will mean the potential for mor sun depending on other faactors also very muggy and sticky so need less clothes in general
[14:53] <QueenVee> humvee: what do you know that the zetas don't?
[14:53] <bearz> even ZT's can't be 100% correct
[14:53] <QueenVee> bearz: then why prepare at all? whose to say there's even going to be a poleshift?
[14:53] <QueenVee> you can go in circles with that
[14:53] <bearz> well silly Q? we are ALL aware of Something
[14:54] <QueenVee> it doesn't change the simple fact that this is a chat room to discuss preparations for the poleshift and aftertime conditions AS PREDICTED BY ZETATALK
[14:54] <QueenVee> not AS PREDICTEDC BY HUMVEE
[14:54] <bearz> in the very near future
[14:54] <QueenVee> not as predicted by bearz
[14:54] <humveexmas> just going by the info as stated on zetatalk and what they refer to as the general tone of advisorys as to locations nothing else save bit of common sense deductions
[14:54] <bearz> we all here are here b/cuz somehow we've been led or it resonates w/us
[14:54] <QueenVee> humvee: they have been VERY CLEAR on the subject of volcanic gloom and the lack of sunlight -- there is no ambiguity there
[14:55] <z---ac-log> Well, that raises the question. The ZETAs may have perfect knowledge but there could be problems with the communication channel. Maybe it's only 95%. Wasn't there a specific problem with the prediction for crop failures in the last 3 years?
[14:55] <humveexmas> Equador is on the Equator now so I have looked at its climate an a model for the new location ZT says
[14:55] <QueenVee> you guys are free to set up your own channel to discuss alternatives to what zetatlak has predicted, but that is not the purpose of this channel?
[14:55] <QueenVee> i really don't know how to make it more clear to you
[14:55] <QueenVee> that aspect of this channel is NOT going to change
[14:56] <bearz> even tho QV people are discussing ideas thats what a echange & conversation is
[14:56] <bearz> doesn't mean we think/feel the ZT's are wrong
[14:56] <bearz> quite the oppossite
[14:56] <QueenVee> but this is not a channel for simple conversation, it is for realistic preparation
[14:56] <bearz> well making tools for the futire is realistic right?
[14:56] <QueenVee> so i will continue to strenuously object when anyone advises preparation that is not in line with the conditions that zetatalk advises
[14:56] <bearz> even if its a hammer
[14:56] <humveexmas> QV as for actual preparations we are at a very simple level of collection and sorting things out to have ready
[14:57] <bearz> or piece of rope
[14:57] <bearz> h2o purifier
[14:57] <QueenVee> let me repeat that:  i will continue to strenuously object when anyone advises preparation that is not in line with the conditions that zetatalk advises
[14:57] <bearz> doesn't threaten anyones ifo or source of info
[14:57] <humveexmas> we r cleaning sharpening tools and painting them so to keep them w no rust etc. not even buying more yet
[14:57] <QueenVee> because in my opinion such advice is irresponsible
[14:58] <bearz> excellent humvee
[14:58] <bearz> rustoleum?
[14:58] <humveexmas> food ea month buy a little extra and pack it to store 4 freshness
[14:58] <bearz> humvee in addition to this channel
[14:58] <QueenVee> i will not have people come away from this channel making unrealistic preparations, and advises others, well, that's what they told me to do in the SHIFT2003 Chat Room
[14:58] <humveexmas> we now buy rustoliun silver paint 22/gal here at lumberyard
[14:59] <bearz> what do you say you create another one?
[14:59] <QueenVee> there already is one: #earthchanges
[14:59] <bearz> to discuss generators and fuels ect
[14:59] <bearz> thats the place then qv?
[14:59] <QueenVee> it was created as an alterative to this one, so you'll find sympathetic ears there
[15:00] <bearz> not looking for sympathy just not resistence to ideas which is FAscism
[15:00] <QueenVee> well, go there then
[15:00] <QueenVee> don't stay here and try and make this channel something it is not
[15:00] <bearz> so far the only people chattin are u, me & humvee here
[15:00] <QueenVee> so?
[15:01] <humveexmas> bearz can email me re success of gen plans - thank
[15:01] <bearz> yr right its not a forrum for free flow of realistic info regarding alternative ideas and preperations for PS
[15:01] <bearz> w/do
[15:01] <QueenVee> bear: so go to a channel that meets your needs
[15:01] <z---ac-log> Regardless of ZT, can't you understand that PREPARATION for people with different circumstance than your own may be very different and involve different ways of looking at things. I guessing that you have family and children and aren't considering any major changes. You are preparing for survival 'in place'. Something that is gospel for you may not be applicable to the next person? I'm just suggesting that yo
[15:01] <bearz> qv, i don't have any needs
[15:02] <z---ac-log> for some variation.
[15:02] <bearz> only wanted to help
[15:02] <obany> QueenVee: did you read my earlier message inthis channel about the addtion to the group section on troubled times that the shift2003 website is added
[15:02] <bearz> which is real STO'S
[15:02] <QueenVee> i am not giving people my own advice -- i am giving people ZT advice
[15:02] <QueenVee> do you understand the difference?
[15:02] <QueenVee> obany: yes, nancy emailed me about that
[15:03] <bearz> are zt's more tollerant than you?
[15:03] <QueenVee> dunno, ask them
[15:03] <humveexmas> Im going to clean the yard now thanks for the input is always appreciated
[15:03] <QueenVee> this channel is directly tied to the ZT material, and that is not going to change
[15:03] <bearz> humvee enjoy yr day & happy christmas!!!!
[15:03] <z---ac-log> good subject for the next ZT session.
[15:03] <QueenVee> if you want a channel that is NOT tied to the ZT material, go to #earthchanges
[15:03] <QueenVee> it's quite simple
[15:03] <humveexmas> leaving the chat now - merry christmas all & to all a good night
[15:04] <bearz> sure is qv
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[15:07] <froggy> hi
[15:07] <z---ac-log> well, I'll have to look over the log but are you saying that ZT did not predict crop failures? That they have a perfect track record rather thsn just a very good one?
[15:08] <QueenVee> sorry, i was just feeding the dog...
[15:08] <QueenVee> are you saying that ZT did not predict crop failures? -- no, what makes you think i was saying that?
[15:09] <QueenVee> That they have a perfect track record rather thsn just a very good one -- no, i'm not saying that either
[15:10] <QueenVee> there are LOTS of forums where one can debate the relative merits of ZetaTalk, it's accuracy, validity, etc -- but this is not one of them
[15:10] <QueenVee> that is NOT its purpose
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[15:10] <obany> z---ac-log: you read this as yet?  http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p169.htm
[15:10] <QueenVee> hello scooby
[15:10] <scooby-atwork> hello
[15:10] <scooby-atwork> slo day today...
[15:10] <froggy> hi scooby
[15:10] <scooby-atwork> hi froggy
[15:11] <scooby-atwork> so, what's snew?
[15:11] <scooby-atwork> damn got a call...
[15:11] <QueenVee> scooby: you're working on Xmas day??
[15:11] <scooby-atwork> yes
[15:11] <scooby-atwork> people gotta get on the internet
[15:11] <scooby-atwork> :)
[15:12] <froggy> did you have any time off?
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[15:12] <froggy> hi zetapal
[15:13] <Zetapal> Hi
[15:13] <QueenVee> ac: oh, i see -- you actually believe that the ZT prediction of crop failures has failed to pan out? LOL
[15:13] <scooby-atwork> froggy: not really for the holidays
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[15:13] <froggy> :(
[15:13] <QueenVee> hi zetapal
[15:13] <z---ac-log> well, I didn't see any response to my 95% question. They may very well have perfect knowledge but all such communication involves humans and may be less than perfect for a variety of reasons. The case of the military and remote viewing is a good example. They had to develop a protocol that involved conscenus to ultimately get a better product. Not that that should be done with ZT.
[15:13] <QueenVee> hello froggy
[15:13] <Zetapal> Hi
[15:13] <Ummite> merry christmas all
[15:13] <QueenVee> er, ummite, i mean
[15:14] <froggy> hiiiiiiiii queenvee
[15:14] <Ummite> hi Queen
[15:14] <QueenVee> ac: as soon as someone shows up in this channel with a better prediction track record than the ZT, i will take them as seriously as i do ZT
[15:14] <QueenVee> until then, i have no reason to
[15:14] <QueenVee> it's as simple as that
[15:15] <z---ac-log> sure just keep an open mind. This is not a religion -- or is it?
[15:16] <froggy> no
[15:16] <Zetapal> you wont find anyone here telling you how to please god or find your way, thats your business
[15:17] <QueenVee> no, it is a chatroom about preparation for the May2003 Poleshift and aftertime conditions AS PREDICTED BY ZETATALK
[15:18] <obany> it has nothing or whatsoever to do with a religious belief
[15:18] <QueenVee> ac: my experience is that people tend to suddenly start talking about "why should we believe ZT" whenever they run across something in ZT that is personally incovenient or distasteful to them....
[15:19] <QueenVee> whenever they don't want to believe what they are hearing is true
[15:19] <QueenVee> they pick and choose what they want to take seriously and not, based on nothing more than emotionalism
[15:19] <Ummite> because they must conserve a critic mind
[15:19] <QueenVee> i'm not saying ANYONE has to BELIEVE ZetaTalk
[15:19] <froggy> i think a lot of people in here have a lot of diffrent religious belief, but they all have spirituality in common
[15:20] <QueenVee> i'm saying you have to have some kind of a consistent, logic reason for saying I BELIEVE THIS, but I DON'T BELIEVE THAT
[15:20] <Ummite> true
[15:20] <QueenVee> other than the simple reason that you WANT to believe one thing, and you DON'T want to believe another
[15:21] <Ummite> selection
[15:22] <QueenVee> i view THAT kind of approach to have more to do with religion than logic
[15:22] <z---ac-log> ztepal: Thanks for the URL -- I'll study it. What would really help me put that into context is if you could come up with the original predictions as given. That disclaimer is pretty non-specific.
[15:23] <QueenVee> ac: you're the one who is questioning whether the predictions are accurate -- surely you would have no problem either remember them or finding them on the site....
[15:25] <Ummite> ill be back later
[15:25] <froggy> bye
[15:25] <Ummite> see ya
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[15:26] <Zetapal> sorry ac _ I'm not doing any legwork tonight
[15:26] <z---ac-log> don't you understand the difference between asking a question and making a statement? Or between knowing something and believing something? You are pretty quick to place things into balck and white and, in my opinion, the universe isn't quite that absolute.
[15:28] <z---ac-log> Hey, take you time and if you come across it, post it sometime. Maybe I'll find that original and if I do I'll be sure to post it no matter what it says. i don't have any opinion since I don't have the information.
[15:29] <Zetapal> well zetatalk is a kind of take it or leave it kind of thing
[15:29] <Zetapal> and this room is not an area for debate of its validity
[15:30] <Zetapal> sorry
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[15:30] <Zetapal> or proof
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[15:30] <froggy> i was thinking.....if all this should happen and the zetas warn everybody because they care
[15:31] <froggy> won't they be depressed when so many die.....it will feel like a failure
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[15:32] <QueenVee> Zetapal: well said, it really is a take-it-or-leave-it kind of thing....
[15:33] <QueenVee> froggy: (sigh) it is NOT the zeta agenda to save people form the poleshift
[15:33] <froggy> i know that.....but they feel the need to warn others
[15:34] <z---ac-log> Let me get this clear -- QV says That they have a perfect track record rather thsn just a very good one -- no, i'm not saying that either but Zetapal disagrees with her. Is that right?
[15:34] <QueenVee> no, they are helping some people to prepare
[15:34] <QueenVee> ac: i couldn't tell you, because i have no idea what you're saying
[15:34] <QueenVee> try and break it down
[15:35] <froggy> i was just thinking how they would feel afterwards
[15:35] <Zetapal> froggy - for insight into that area - consider how they consider their own deaths - also, what if their info helped people to understand what was happening as a scientific astrological event instead of the wrath of God? though death may come, dying with less fear, wouldn't THAT still be considered helpeful? froggy?  learn to look past death
[15:36] <QueenVee> froggy: well, they wouldn't feel a sense of 'FAILURE' because saving people was not their intention to begin with. they have known for a long time that many people will die in the poleshift and that there's nothing anyone can do about it
[15:36] <QueenVee> as ZP points out, they do not fear death as we do, do not view it as a negative event
[15:37] <QueenVee> you are projecting your own human beliefs and feelings onto them -- they don't have those beliefs and feelings
[15:37] <scooby-atwork> bbl....  i am logging off here and going to a different machine...
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[15:37] <froggy> so it would just be another day for them
[15:38] <QueenVee> well, another stage in their existence....
[15:39] <Zetapal> ac - what Queen and I agree and disagree upon is not relevant to you
[15:40] <Zetapal> brb
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[15:43] <QueenVee> hello airman -- what brings you to this room?
[15:43] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> who are you?
[15:43] <z---ac-log> QV: I think I'm saying that there is 'cogntive dissonance' between holding an absolute take-it-or-leave it position and not being willing to say that ZT is perfect. I'm not aware of much of human history where take-it-or-leave-it was correct. Do you have such an example. Pesonally, I think that was one of the big shortcomings of the TALIBAN.
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[15:44] <QueenVee> i'm not willing to say that ZT is perfect. i am saying that it has the best prediction ZT of any source i know
[15:44] <QueenVee> let me rewrite that.....
[15:44] <QueenVee> i am NOT saying ZT is perfect. i am saying that it has the best prediction record of any source i know.
[15:46] <QueenVee> an example of take it or leave it? almost any kind of scientific theory you can come up with....
[15:46] <froggy> bye, see ya later
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[15:47] <QueenVee> you either believe take the theory as a whole, or you reject it as a whole -- you can't accept just part of it, arbitrarily
[15:47] <QueenVee> ZT is a theoretical model, if you will....
[15:48] <QueenVee> it's based on a series of acceptances...
[15:48] <QueenVee> you begin by accepting that Nancy Lieder is actually translating communication from an alien species called the Zetas....
[15:49] <QueenVee> if you don't accept that part, what comes after is meaningless
[15:49] <QueenVee> you accept that they are benevolent beings that are being truthful with us
[15:49] <z---ac-log> I understood you correctly and that's why I said that you appeared to have a difference with Zetapal. That's okay in my book; you two have have different opinions and different degrees of 'belief'.  I guess that your just not making the distinction between those don't believe ZT at all and those that mostly believe. To me there is a big difference and they are not the same. In my own case, I'm going to leave
[15:50] <QueenVee> if you don't accept that, everything else is meaningless -- because which parts do you believe?
[15:50] <Zetapal> and by the way, no one said you had to believe, no one even asked you to consider, these things we do ourselves, and polling other people on what THEY believe may be intersting at times but shouldn't be necessary for one's deciding for themself _
[15:50] <z---ac-log> barrier island that overlooks Atlantic City. I don't see how that sacrifice can be categorized as not believing.
[15:50] <QueenVee> hey, i'm not asking anyone to do ANYTHIING except respect the discussion parameters of this room when they are here
[15:51] <QueenVee> i can understand someone who rejects ZT as a whole, than someone who accepts some of it, and rejects other parts of it
[15:51] <Zetapal> why do you care what we believe or not? - I don't care whether you do -
[15:51] <QueenVee> rejecting ZT as a whole at least has an internal logic
[15:52] <QueenVee> arbitrarily accepting some of it "on faith", and other parts as "improbable" is illogical
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[15:52] <z---ac-log> It's a good discussion and it's clarifying a lot.
[15:53] <QueenVee> anyways, the main point is that this is a channel for discussion preparation for what zetatalk as predicted. it only makes sense that accepting zetatalk as accurate is a basic requirement....
[15:53] <QueenVee> airman: i am the moderator of this room -- what brings you to this channel?
[15:53] <z---ac-log> I only cuaght the end and I'll go back and study my log file.
[15:53] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> who are you?
[15:53] <QueenVee> airman: i am the moderator of this room -- what brings you to this channel?
[15:54] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> i like this channel
[15:54] <QueenVee> ac: i said this: anyways, the main point is that this is a channel for discussion preparation for what zetatalk as predicted. it only makes sense that accepting zetatalk as accurate is a basic requirement....
[15:54] <QueenVee> airman: are you a bot?
[15:54] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> a bot?
[15:54] <Zetapal> hes webchat
[15:55] <QueenVee> zp: not a human being?
[15:55] <Zetapal> lol - well I guess thats up to him
[15:55] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> what do you mean?
[15:55] <QueenVee> airman: why are you here?
[15:55] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> i like this channel?
[15:55] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> who are you?
[15:56] <obany> airman_contagious_corpses_of_1: glad there is the tab ... :) you have a well long nickname :)
[15:56] <QueenVee> buh bye, airman
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[15:58] <Zetapal> I like it when people bring something with them besides questions
[15:59] <QueenVee> ZP: you and me both
[15:59] <Zetapal> personally, right now, I'm tapped
[15:59] <QueenVee> ZP: getting a taste of what it's been like, eh?
[15:59] <QueenVee> ;-)
[16:00] <Zetapal> encyclopedia zetatica
[16:00] <QueenVee> endless people saying "gimme, gimme, gimme"
[16:01] <Zetapal> then trying to drive a wedge between us by saying we don't agree - that old shoe
[16:01] <Zetapal> so tired
[16:01] <QueenVee> we can drive our own wedges, thank you very much
[16:01] <Zetapal> indeed - lol
[16:04] <QueenVee> ZP: did you see that item about scientists finding a long man-made wall in the middle of the Hudson River?
[16:05] <QueenVee> they say it is at least 3,000 years old, dating back to a time when that part of the shoreline would have been above water
[16:06] <Zetapal> no I didn't, interesting
[16:06] <QueenVee> it's in this article about shipwrecks, but the part of about the wall doesn't appear until the end: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/a/2002/12/20/MN134908.DTL
[16:06] <Zetapal> thx
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[16:08] <obany> yes i read it interresting
[16:08] <obany> "ey say the walls are probably at least 3,000 years old, because that was the last time the river's water levels were low enough to have allowed construction on dry land. "
[16:09] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1>  hello
[16:10] <QueenVee> there is an eruption in progress at the Bezymianny Volcano in Russia
[16:10] <QueenVee> breaking news
[16:10] <obany> mmm
[16:11] <QueenVee> and Mexico's Popocatepetl volcano spewed vapor and ash more than a mile (two kilometers) into the air Monday....
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[16:12] <obany> http://www.nj.com/newsflash/national/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0567_BC_NewYorkEarthquake&&news&newsflash-national  
[16:13] <Zetapal> i enjoyed the article on the Hudson river Queen, thanks, do you have a link on that Russian volcanoe? my interest is, wonder when was the last time it erupted?
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[16:14] <noone_bravoupgrade14> hello
[16:15] <froggy> hi
[16:15] * QueenVee sets mode: +b *!*@wsip68-15-145-94.hr.hr.cox.net
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[16:15] <obany> that was airman :)
[16:15] <QueenVee> zp: coming up...
[16:16] <QueenVee> zp: http://www.volcanolive.com/volcanolive.html
[16:16] <Zetapal> thx
[16:16] <froggy> do zetas have holidays
[16:16] <QueenVee> zp: if you click on the "more about" link on the bottom, he tells you past eruptions
[16:17] <QueenVee> obany: who is that "airman" guy?
[16:17] <obany> don't know
[16:17] <obany> http://english.pravda.ru/region/2002/12/25/41312.html is also about it
[16:19] <obany> QueenVee: 2 volcanos in that area are now active
[16:19] <obany> http://english.pravda.ru/region/2002/12/24/41248.html
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[16:24] <QueenVee> thanks for those links, obany
[16:27] <obany> so you see 2
[16:28] <QueenVee> yes, very interesting
[16:29] <Zetapal> Queen Have you read that article on Rense about King Bird 50? there are five articles up there, read this one first and then the followup #1 - I did think much of it at first, but they seem to insist that it is being flown back into the US to an undisclosed location. Could this aircraft from 1948 actually have come through a time warp, or is there a more logical explanation for this article? - possible ZT question  heres li
[16:29] <Zetapal> http://www.rense.com/general32/gly.htm
[16:30] <Zetapal> cor- I didn't think much of it at first...
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[16:30] <nErVOSO> algume sabe ond eu pego o turmafolha?
[16:31] <QueenVee> sorry, we don't speak your language
[16:32] <nErVOSO> aight
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[16:34] * from_Texas says hello to all
[16:34] <QueenVee> hey tex!
[16:34] <Zetapal> hey tex
[16:34] <froggy> hi
[16:34] <QueenVee> are you back home now?
[16:34] <from_Texas> not yet QV.
[16:35] <from_Texas> QV... introduce me to Doro-Hog
[16:36] <from_Texas> that's a new name to me
[16:38] <QueenVee> Doro-Hog is from Finland
[16:38] <QueenVee> he's been idle for two hours, so probably isn't here
[16:39] <from_Texas> thanks QV
[16:41] <Zetapal> Queen - followup comment on King Bird 50 ?
[16:41] <QueenVee> oh, sorry, zp
[16:41] <QueenVee> got pulled away
[16:42] <QueenVee> reading it now
[16:51] * z---ac-log is now known as Z--AC-log
[16:51] <QueenVee> ZP: worth asking a ZT question about..... though i have doubts about it....
[16:52] <QueenVee> the finding of the remains of a plane that disappeared in 1948 would make the mainstream news, regardless of the circumstances
[16:55] <Zetapal> yeah - we can let them make the call, and then if its a hoax, then who and why
[16:58] <Doro-Hog> I'm back
[16:58] <from_Texas> wb Doro
[16:59] * obany goes now bye bye bye
[16:59] <Doro-Hog> Oh, pretty damn tired right now... My sleeping patterns are pretty screwed because of the holidays.
[16:59] <obany> since it's almost 2:00am :)
[16:59] <scooby-atwork> bye obany
[16:59] <Doro-Hog> bye
[16:59] <from_Texas> later obany
[17:00] <froggy> bye
[17:01] <from_Texas> QV
[17:01] <from_Texas> are you in there
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[17:02] <QueenVee> yep, i'm here
[17:02] <from_Texas> have you seen the low pressure reading for the east coast
[17:02] <QueenVee> mmm, no,though i read about the storms there....
[17:03] <from_Texas> well i don't have anything to send you from here... but they are exceptionally low
[17:04] <from_Texas> i'll try to find something and send it to you
[17:04] <QueenVee> can you explain (for someone as stupid as me), the significance of that low pressure?
[17:06] <from_Texas> brb
[17:08] <from_Texas> Low pressure systems have different intensities with some producing a gentle rain while others produce hurricane force winds and a massive deluge.
[17:09] <QueenVee> oh, i see
[17:09] <QueenVee> yes, well, they've been predicting more storms
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[17:10] <QueenVee> hello Thunderoc
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[17:11] <QueenVee> mmmm, Thunderoc seems to be having problems
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[17:11] <from_Texas> well the pressure readings are now as low as a cat3 hurricane..
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[17:12] <QueenVee> wowsa
[17:12] <Thunderoc> finally...
[17:12] <QueenVee> so where do they expect the worst trouble?
[17:12] <Thunderoc> blank screes..
[17:12] <Thunderoc> Merry Christmas Everyone!!! :o)
[17:12] <QueenVee> welcome, Thunderoc -- long time no see
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[17:12] <Thunderoc> ty QueenV! :o)
[17:12] <from_Texas> i don't know yet... just read that and wanted you to have a heads up.. to watch also
[17:13] <QueenVee>     MERRY CHRISTMAS THUNDEROC!!!     
[17:13] <from_Texas> i will look some more.... i don't have all my usual bookmarks to go to
[17:13] <QueenVee> thanks for the heads up tex
[17:13] * Thunderoc just read last weeks poleshift dis on Sylvia Brown
[17:14] <Zetapal> good huh?
[17:14] <Thunderoc> well..I was kinda hoping she would say something different..lol
[17:14] <QueenVee> like??
[17:14] <Zetapal> Thunder if you want that interview I've got it
[17:14] <Thunderoc> like..e were all going to live well into the next century or something...
[17:15] <Thunderoc> yes please Zetapal..
[17:15] <Zetapal> can you DCC recieve?
[17:15] <QueenVee> Thunderoc: well, none of us will live well into the next century, poleshift or not
[17:16] <Thunderoc> well you know what I meant  ..lol
[17:16] <Thunderoc> I hurt most for my kids..
[17:17] <Thunderoc> is there a written expose' on Sylvia Zeta?
[17:17] <QueenVee> expose?
[17:17] <scooby-atwork> off to lunch
[17:17] <QueenVee> expose of what?
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[17:17] <Thunderoc> the inerview with art bell..
[17:17] <Thunderoc> and sylvia
[17:17] <QueenVee> that wasn't an expose
[17:18] <Thunderoc> so the hawaian islands look good to me...
[17:18] <Thunderoc> wonder how late we can go...
[17:19] * Thunderoc considers buying tickets for his ex-wife and kids as a sort of 'surprise vacation...hmmm..lol
[17:19] <QueenVee> well, hawaii will be good as long as you are at the highest elevation
[17:19] <Thunderoc> 3500 feet?
[17:20] <Thunderoc> thats pretty high...and the winds will be scary..not mention all the rest..must be a huge ufo society there..
[17:21] <Thunderoc> is this irc working??
[17:21] <Thunderoc> someone respond please?
[17:21] <froggy> hi
[17:21] <QueenVee> we're here
[17:21] <Thunderoc> ok
[17:21] <Thunderoc> :o)
[17:21] * Thunderoc ((((((hugs the room)))) :o)]
[17:21] <Zetapal> ugh
[17:21] <froggy> :)
[17:21] <Thunderoc> lol
[17:21] <from_Texas> brb
[17:22] <QueenVee> i'm suffering from the lethargy brought on by too much turkey, pie, and eggnog
[17:22] <froggy> Thunderoc: i would like to see the sylvia Browne thing also
[17:22] <Thunderoc> I' m sufferring from too little turkey, pie and eggnogg..:o(
[17:22] * QueenVee hugs Thunderoc back and apologizes for not being more talkative
[17:22] <Thunderoc> lol
[17:23] <Thunderoc> np Queen :o)'
[17:23] <Thunderoc> not sure if I have it froggy
[17:23] <froggy> froggy wants to know how you type in purple
[17:24] * Thunderoc is a purple people eater..lol
[17:24] <Thunderoc> I just do a /msg...and there it is in purple froggy..lol
[17:24] <Doro-Hog> With the time being 3:30AM here I think I'll let you guys continue without me! Good night everybody!
[17:24] <QueenVee> Froggy: you mean like this?
[17:24] <froggy> yes
[17:24] <Thunderoc> bye Doro
[17:25] <froggy> bye
[17:25] <QueenVee> or like this?
[17:25] <froggy> both
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[17:25] <Zetapal> cntrl-k followed by a comma and then your text
[17:26] <Thunderoc> , trying that
[17:26] <QueenVee> froggy: do Control-K, then choose a number for your typeface, type a comma, then choose a number for your background....
[17:26] <Thunderoc> , trying agin
[17:26] <Zetapal> cntrl-k,select the # for the color, then a comma
[17:26] <Thunderoc> , try again
[17:26] <QueenVee> so to do the white on purple background, do Control-K 0,6
[17:26] <Thunderoc> hmm
[17:27] <Zetapal> Thunder if your on web tv - forget it
[17:27] <QueenVee> then just type your message
[17:27] <Thunderoc> lol
[17:27] <froggy> <b>hey</b>
[17:27] <Thunderoc> k
[17:27] <froggy> damn
[17:27] <Zetapal> I'm serious
[17:27] <froggy> i tried to make it bold
[17:27] <QueenVee> uh, html don't work
[17:28] <froggy> hey
[17:28] <Zetapal>  ~[}:o)>
[17:28] <Thunderoc> so are all the cunninghams, howmo's,potts,IMO's,silks and other disenters coming around now?
[17:28] <froggy> hey,
[17:29] <froggy> hey
[17:29] <Zetapal> .   ~~*     .o   O
[17:29] <Thunderoc> seems like the evidence bin is piling up...
[17:29] <froggy> here
[17:30] <QueenVee> Thunderoc: seems so
[17:30] <froggy> here
[17:30] <QueenVee> the debunkers are still around, but less vocal methinks
[17:30] <froggy> arg!
[17:30] <Thunderoc> well another two months..then all will see I guess..
[17:31] <QueenVee> cunningham announced that he won't be posting any of his own pics until after June 2003, so that Nancy can't "hijack them"...
[17:31] <Thunderoc> thats a crock
[17:31] <froggy>
[17:31] <QueenVee> that in itself tells me his pics are probably not much different than Steve's
[17:31] <froggy> here
[17:31] <froggy> aah!
[17:31] <Zetapal> i think I'm gonna open this pinot noir - Beringer
[17:32] <QueenVee> if he had contrary evidence, he'd put it in the New York Times....
[17:32] <froggy> maybe itll work now
[17:32] <Thunderoc> think he wants credit or csomething?
[17:33] <Zetapal> credit for what? not saying anything?
[17:33] <Thunderoc> in june 2003...I hope he can!!  lol
[17:33] <Thunderoc> well why worry Nancy would ijack??..that seems silly
[17:33] <Thunderoc> hijack^
[17:34] <QueenVee> i replied to him: "Thanks for confirming what we already knew. That all we can expect from you is more carping from the sidelines and nothing of substance".
[17:34] <Thunderoc> what about the sci/astro bb's?
[17:34] <Thunderoc> what is going on in there?
[17:34] <Zetapal> what about em
[17:34] <Thunderoc> anything of substance?
[17:34] <froggy> hey
[17:34] <Zetapal> why don't you check it out for us and come back with a report?
[17:35] <Thunderoc> everytime I try to...I don't seem to acess muh..
[17:35] <Thunderoc> much^
[17:36] <QueenVee> you have to catch them on a lucid day
[17:36] <Thunderoc> or maybee there just is not a lot written there?
[17:36] <Thunderoc> lol
[17:36] <froggy> happy holidays!
[17:37] <Thunderoc> Queen Vee...re: Seth..I noticed that only three books were written by dottie and john back in 87,88,and 89..non since...
[17:37] <Thunderoc> none^
[17:40] <Thunderoc> ok, brb..hecking to see what Zetapal sent :o)
[17:40] <Thunderoc> checking^
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[17:41] <Thunderoc> hmm..nothing sent..
[17:42] <Thunderoc> .
[17:43] <QueenVee> dottie & john?
[17:44] <Thunderoc> Well, Good Night then Good people!   Mérr¥  Ç]-[ri§†må§  &  ]-[嶶¥  Néw  ¥éår's !!!
[17:44] <froggy> same to you :)
[17:44] <Thunderoc> John & Dottie McAuliffe  new channels for Seth for three years..
[17:44] <QueenVee> oh, right, so they claim
[17:45] <Thunderoc> have one of the books...sounds like seth...some are still orderable through amazon sed..
[17:45] <QueenVee> Seth clearly stated in the earlier material that he would not channel through anyone else after Jane Roberts death
[17:45] <Thunderoc> used^
[17:45] <Thunderoc> he changed his mind..
[17:45] <