Session Start: Fri Dec 27 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
[00:00] <inkpen> what is this disclosure prject?
[00:00] <johnnie5> more than once, ed dames mentioned he could not talk about certain things because the fed gov would nail him for it. through fear of them, he says what they tell him to.
[00:01] <inkpen> how does it tie to the green fireball?
[00:01] <QueenVee> i couldn't BELIEVE the UFOs are holographic images projected from mars assertion -- and the guy was so cocky and confident of it, not "this might be" but this is what they are, we know that now.....
[00:01] <QueenVee> and when Bell said to him, well, what's the purpose of projecting these images to earth....
[00:01] <QueenVee> Dames said "We don't know that yet"....
[00:01] <QueenVee> LOL
[00:01] <inkpen> that is a rather luny assesment
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[00:02] <scooby-atwork> Ouch!
[00:02] <Nightbird> damn.. sorry Scooby, was trying to Pm you
[00:02] <scooby-atwork> LOL
[00:02] <Nightbird> can't figure this out
[00:02] <inkpen> ummm pssst scuba...your evil twins here!
[00:02] <johnnie5> a large trout. lol.
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[00:02] <[AC-logging]> When I got to Banff, I buttonholed a Mountie and gave him very specific information. He seemed non-plussed and said to my surprise in a very off-handed way, "Oh,the Department of Transport (or Transportation) has a trailer set up to watch for them. In the spring of 2000 I heard a reference to green fireballs by Bruce Macabbee so I wrote him by email and told him what the Mountie said.
[00:02] <inkpen> its going crazy!
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[00:04] <Scuba1> u know look at silva brown,even she now sees an end this coming year. and even she saidas the time draws near lots of people refuse 2 b the voice of doom
[00:04] <johnnie5> a single scooby would probably work just fine. why all the clones?
[00:04] <QueenVee> yes
[00:05] <scooby-atwork> one is at work and one is at home logging
[00:05] <scooby-atwork> i am using web client at work
[00:05] <Scuba1> but thats just more ZT accur
[00:05] <Scuba1> acy
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[00:06] <johnnie5> this information must be new to sylvia, as it's not on her site yet. i looked yesterday.
[00:07] <Scuba1> she was on art bell the other week
[00:07] <johnnie5> i know
[00:07] <johnnie5> not on her site yet.
[00:08] <[AC-logging]> He wrote back, saying "Yes, it isn't widely known but the UFO flap in New Mexico in the late 1940s was mostly green fireballs. My new book, The UFO FBI Connection is based entire upon FOIA documents from the government and has much material on green fireballs." I got the book and based upon what is in the government documents they were telling the public a very different story that they were telling them
[00:09] <Scuba1> oh i know who dames is now . he must b a plant
[00:10] <johnnie5> duh
[00:10] <Scuba1> lol
[00:10] <QueenVee> the govt covering up UFOs -- breaking news
[00:11] <johnnie5> lol
[00:11] <inkpen> cc stability and balance are the gifts of this decan. You have the power of concentration, and you very likely will pursue a career in science. You could be a pioneer in electronics or in energy production. Your ability to judge human nature without prejudice or bias is a valuable asset in your business and social life.
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[00:11] <Scuba1> he'll probably revert to 2nd density
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[00:12] <inkpen> sorry bout that
[00:12] <[AC-logging]> Ehat the Mountie told was confirmed 40 years later when earlier this year Linda Moulton Howe had an extensive story on Earthfiles.com about the Canadian cooperation with the US on UFOs. It was the Department of Transport that carried the ball and she got her information from the son of the man who headed the program in the 50s and 60s. He told his son shortly before he died.
[00:12] <inkpen> was tryin to log reading
[00:12] <inkpen> damn
[00:14] <Scuba1> brb
[00:17] <scooby-atwork> OK, i am outta here....  nite all!
[00:17] <inkpen> gnight
[00:17] <[AC-logging]> In May of 2001 when the Disclosure Press Conference took place at the National Press Club in Washington, DC I developed the concept of the KTQ (Key Threshold Question). I later applied it usefully to both the USS Iowa Explosion and to the TWA 800 downing. In the the case of Disclosure the simple question is something to the effect, "Craft from other planets or other dimensions have visited the earth in t
[00:17] <Scuba1> c u
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[00:20] <QueenVee> nite all, sleep well
[00:20] <johnnie5> bye.
[00:20] <inkpen> gnite QV
[00:20] <Scuba1> u 2,me 2
[00:20] <Scuba1> c u all
[00:20] <[AC-logging]> The idea of a KTQ is to structure a simple question that can only be answered Yes or NO. If you answer it one way, nothing changes and life goes on as before. If you answer the other, then everything changes. You have a new paradigm and you have to reevaluate all that you know ot thought that you knew. It's kinda hard on know-it-alls. :^)  If the shoe fits wear it!
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[00:21] <inkpen> i should finish tidying now aswel
[00:21] <inkpen> bye all
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[00:22] <Scuba1> thanks again nightbird,good nite,n c u later
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[00:24] <[AC-logging]> After hearing all the testimony and evidence assembled for Disclosure any fair minded person would be forced to answer the KTQ, YES. That then means that they have to start giving serious consideration to things that they might have dismissed before. The next step for me was remote viewing for which there is much evidence and it explains so much in paranormal experience.
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[00:25] <[AC-logging]> It has the added advantage to having the support of the US Government.
[00:26] <[AC-logging]> When you following the logic with a newly opened mind it leads you down a slippery slope that is sometimes uncomfortable and very disorienting.
[00:27] <[AC-logging]> You almost end up in the New Age area. I know that I now believe in a soul and in reincarnation. Previous I had an open mind but thought that when you die, that's the end.
[00:31] <[AC-logging]> So that is why I recommend that you spend the $8 and subscribe to the AB archives (if only for that one program). After all the material I have listened to since the Spring of 2001, this program touchs most of the bases and comes the closest to tying everything together. So I thought I'd share what I know.
[00:32] <[AC-logging]> One last thing, personally I'm not at all psychic but I have two or three really amazing synchronicity events in my life. I guess that's the way I'm built.
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[01:34] <hummer> himmthomas
[01:34] <hummer> hello
[01:34] <rnthomas> Hay hummer how goes it.
[01:34] <hummer> nice n easy
[01:34] <hummer> u
[01:35] <rnthomas> Not bad... Just thought I'd pop in for a quick visit, see what's up..
[01:35] <hummer> is bc in ur singin brithsh columbia?
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[01:37] <rnthomas> Ok, ya lost me on that last one.
[01:38] <hummer> I dont know how to read the blue writg but urs said bc.hsia.telus.net whn u signed on
[01:38] <rnthomas> Well that's about right for the IP number...
[01:38] <hummer> im in hawaii & mine says hawaiian.net
[01:39] <rnthomas> I was a bit confused when ya posted bc part he he... lol
[01:40] <hummer> Im listening to art bell & shan d morton is saying px is bunk
[01:40] <hummer> because he doesn't understand the science
[01:41] <hummer> calling it planet hoax
[01:41] <rnthomas> Is that being streamed now?
[01:41] <hummer> yes radio live
[01:42] <hummer> im taping it also
[01:43] <hummer> last good interview before art pulls the plug
[01:44] <rnthomas> Is he a remote viewer...
[01:45] <hummer> yes a pioneer teacher
[01:45] <rnthomas> A pioneer teacher...  
[01:45] <hummer> says market 2 go to 15,000 by 2005
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[01:46] <hummer> new 64 bit computer 4 home = cray computer
[01:46] <rnthomas> I am hearing it now as well...
[01:47] <hummer> hi thurndebird is that like the wine (good mthomas
[01:47] <rnthomas> I am waiting to hear the Px stuff...
[01:48] <rnthomas> Sounds like a techno weenie!
[01:48] <hummer> just over now - just said it coudnt hapn as orbital data = no sense 2 him
[01:48] <hummer> I dont think his rvign is up 2 par
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[01:50] <rnthomas> I'll re-stream it.
[01:50] <hummer> baybe he doesnt do remote viewing just HAS an RV
[01:50] <rnthomas> It sounds interesting...
[01:50] <rnthomas> What's RV.
[01:51] <hummer> he knows a good bit re end time tribulations
[01:51] <rnthomas> Dis information specialists are usually mixed with truth and lies...
[01:51] <hummer> hits weather & quakes rite on mostly
[01:51] <hummer> true
[01:51] <rnthomas> That's just how it's done...
[01:52] <hummer> still fun to listen
[01:52] <rnthomas> True...   I'll keep listening...
[01:53] <hummer> sounds a bit spacy
[01:54] <rnthomas> This part actually is alighed with what I've heard...
[01:54] <rnthomas> Spacy...  I'll admitt it...
[01:54] <hummer> he seems 2 toss out 2003 shift by gut reaction
[01:54] <rnthomas> BUt it won't happen... Therefore we got the gloom!
[01:55] <rnthomas> He hasn't seen sitchins work obviously...
[01:56] <rnthomas> Myself, I just don't know when...
[01:56] <hummer> yes he has as sitchen said not comming 4 1200 years or something
[01:57] <hummer> & that px was discovered by a michael brown from cal tech
[01:57] <rnthomas> But sitchin says the period is 3600 years...   We simply check the tree rings, and you can see when the last poleshift happened...
[01:58] <rnthomas> Also sitchin is more under a Gag order...
[01:58] <rnthomas> as of the current times...
[01:58] <hummer> y very true
[01:58] <rnthomas> The tree rings thin worldwide at 1628 B.C.
[01:59] <hummer> i think most people even some great ones don't look at the logic
[01:59] <rnthomas> That is the art of dis-information.
[01:59] <hummer> dont confuse me with the facts they seem 2 say
[02:00] <rnthomas> The only way to wade thru it is by listening to your own knowledge base.
[02:00] <hummer> exactly
[02:00] <rnthomas> I just don't know when, but 1200 years is WAAAY off...
[02:01] <rnthomas> Even NancyL's story doesn't totaly ring correctly for me...
[02:01] <hummer> the body of sitchen & veloskosky  (sumerians) is right on
[02:01] <rnthomas> It's pretty hard to deny...
[02:01] <hummer> what part do u hav trouble with
[02:01] <rnthomas> Her implants...
[02:01] <rnthomas> or should I say operations...
[02:02] <rnthomas> DNA additions..  Not the fact that it was done..
[02:02] <hummer> so then?
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[02:02] <rnthomas> For someone that is dealing with beings that are 100,000 to a million years more advanced,
[02:03] <rnthomas> they do an olde style operation with a knife/laser scalpal???  
[02:03] <rnthomas> Real aliens don't leave scars...
[02:03] <hummer> u mean the operations stuff dont ring true
[02:03] <hummer> might be a field hospital
[02:04] <hummer> et phone home - hoaky?
[02:04] <rnthomas> I am saying that if NancyL is being obducted by 'real aliens' there would be NO SCARRING, and no operation
[02:04] <rnthomas> as least as we would understand it.
[02:04] <rnthomas> No clunky implants...
[02:04] <hummer> had not thought of that
[02:05] <rnthomas> DNA modification would be either a drink of water ...  Maybe a powder sprinkled on the forhead...
[02:05] <hummer> I am interested in the track record including 5/15/3 or not
[02:05] <rnthomas> No LASER SCALPAL, olde style 1920's operation, and a scar!  I don't think so...
[02:06] <rnthomas> Now here's the kicker!
[02:06] <hummer> do u think the 2003 shift fits ur knowing
[02:06] <rnthomas> I do believe that she *IS* being obducted by Grey aliens...
[02:06] <rnthomas> It's a bit too soon... But 1200 years is a bit to far out...
[02:06] <rnthomas> I am not sure...
[02:07] <hummer> I am a real begining astronomer and I want to watch a passing planet
[02:08] <hummer> will be the best show in history
[02:08] <hummer> or not
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[02:08] <rnthomas> Do you think dolly the sheep was the first cloan?
[02:09] <hummer> I think I was  -  I am slowly turning into my father
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[02:09] <rnthomas> Could be... he he ... lol
[02:10] <rnthomas> Do you know that cloned baby they are talking about?
[02:10] <hummer> I studied in vitro (test tube) fertilization in school was fastenating
[02:10] <rnthomas> Do you know what that really is?
[02:11] <rnthomas> It's the first child that will be born 'WITHOUT A SOLE' as prophesized in the bible..
[02:11] <hummer> yes an announced 1 that was born yesterday by c-section - brb
[02:11] <rnthomas> Scary shit!
[02:11] <hummer> I think it is just begining science
[02:12] <hummer> in future we will change our bodies greatly and often
[02:12] <rnthomas> Yeah... That's also scary..
[02:13] <hummer> saw a new chicken on web today looked really wierd no feathers big head
[02:13] <hummer> keeps cool without fans
[02:13] <[AC-logging]> do you have chapter and verse from the Bible?
[02:13] <hummer> on what
[02:14] <[AC-logging]> It's the first child that will be born 'WITHOUT A SOLE' as prophesized in the bible..
[02:14] <hummer> wormwood is in Isea I thing also Im no scholar  my father in law is
[02:15] <rnthomas> Lemme see if I can find it again.
[02:15] <hummer> revalations
[02:16] <[AC-logging]> hummer, did you see my long informtional post earlier?
[02:17] <hummer> no came on when u did just a few ago    what?
[02:17] <[AC-logging]> since it's slow I'll put it up just for you.
[02:18] <hummer> we use a concordance  but must have close wording 2 lookup
[02:18] <[AC-logging]> many segments but interesting
[02:19] <[AC-logging]> It'll be a good test for later posting.
[02:19] <hummer> AC = anti C?
[02:20] <[AC-logging]> Atlantic City
[02:20] <hummer> oh good
[02:22] <[AC-logging]> that;s it.
[02:25] <hummer> has Nancy ever had ZT re: the anti Christ?
[02:25] <hummer> 3rd one I mean
[02:26] <hummer> I dont recall that & have read the whole zt site 3 times over & most logs once
[02:27] <[AC-logging]> qv gave a search engine URL
[02:28] <[AC-logging]> 90 rerferences to sex
[02:28] <[AC-logging]> in ZT
[02:28] <[AC-logging]> Try the ZT search engine and let me know what you find
[02:28] <hummer> wow ive been watching the wrong xxx
[02:29] <hummer> back in a minute
[02:33] <[AC-logging]> brb, gotta make a phone call.
[02:33] <hummer> 666 was used as a type of a name tobe - but is in itself meaningless - zt
[02:36] <hummer> http://www.zetatalk.com/myths/m40.htm
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[02:43] <Rich> hi
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[02:45] <[AC-logging]> .
[02:49] <hummer> zt says 666 meaningless - under myths
[02:49] <[AC-logging]> what about the anti-christ?
[02:50] <hummer> just says that that is a name to be therefore no meaning - zt
[02:51] <hummer> http://www.zetatalk.com/myths/m40.htm
[02:51] <[AC-logging]> wait till you hear what Ed Dames has to say.
[02:51] <hummer> I cant wait
[02:52] <hummer> i heard part the other nite he was saying that 2003 shift was real as I recall
[02:53] <[AC-logging]> He touched on many, many subjects in that program
[02:55] <hummer> true so did shawn david morton tinite
[02:56] <[AC-logging]> Intereting times I don't mind since I'll be turning 62
[02:57] <JurAFK> woah, old! :p
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[02:57] <Jurian> 3 times my age, haha
[02:57] <Jurian> :)
[02:57] <hummer> life begins at 60
[02:57] <Jurian> http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html <-- interesting read
[02:58] <[AC-logging]> don't think so but I guess I can't live forever. Maybe I'll feel better if everybody else goes with me.
[02:58] <Jurian> hehe
[02:58] <Jurian> well, we all die some day
[02:58] <Jurian> I hope anyway :p
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[03:01] <[AC-logging]> have you seen pictures of nancy at http://www.skepticalmind.com/zetatalk.html
[03:01] <scooby-afk> nice link Jurian
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[03:02] <Jurian> yeah, very interesting stuff
[03:02] <scooby> have you seen from the wilderness?
[03:03] <scooby> http://fromthewilderness.com/
[03:03] <Jurian> hmm, not yet :)
[03:03] <scooby> ex cop exposes CIA lies
[03:03] <scooby> very cool stuff
[03:04] <Jurian> I like it already :)
[03:04] <scooby> i heard the guy on the radio with Lee Klien
[03:04] <scooby> Klein...
[03:04] <scooby> about 4 months after 9/11
[03:04] <scooby> or so
[03:04] <scooby> and he was right on the money with afghanistan
[03:04] <scooby> and the war is all about oil
[03:04] <[AC-logging]> The part on Robert Sepehr is very interesting, too. It all is. Another point of view.
[03:05] <Jurian> yeah, of course it was about oil, sadly, many people just look funny at you if you say that :/
[03:06] <scooby> tru tru
[03:07] <scooby> does anyone remember hearing about big orders of United and AA stocks just days before 9-11?
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[03:07] <[AC-logging]> I say again,  have you seen pictures of nancy at http://www.skepticalmind.com/zetatalk.html
[03:07] <scooby> well, this guy, Ruppert (from the wilderness) tracked it down to someone high up at the CIA
[03:07] <Jurian> hehe
[03:07] <scooby> AC: why?
[03:08] <Jurian> what does it matter what nancy looks like?
[03:08] <scooby> she is also on www.coasttocoastam.com
[03:08] <scooby> as a featured article in the next After Dark newsletter
[03:09] <scooby> anyway... CIA was definitely involved with 9/11
[03:09] <scooby> and is definitely involved with drug trafficing
[03:09] <scooby> it's on on that site...
[03:09] <scooby> and the guy backs it up with sources
[03:09] <[AC-logging]> I haven't been able to find much on Nancy at the ZT site. That link has more information than I've seen elswhere. The Russian connection is interesting as is the Robert Sepher material and the Don Whathisname stuff.
[03:09] <scooby> i am prolly preaching to the choir, huh?
[03:10] <Jurian> yah :)
[03:10] <scooby> ZT site is not "about Nancy"
[03:10] <[AC-logging]> yah :)
[03:10] <scooby> LOL
[03:10] <scooby> AC: that is why her pic is not there
[03:11] <[AC-logging]> still it's nice to have the like.
[03:11] <scooby> yeah
[03:11] <Jurian> CIA = Clearly Incompetent Agency
[03:11] <scooby> LOL
[03:11] <scooby> CIA = Confused Ignoramous Agency
[03:11] <[AC-logging]> ZT site is not "about Nancy" I can see why after reading some of that material
[03:11] <Jurian> or Confusing Idiotic Apes
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[03:12] <scooby> I like  Clearly Incompetent Agency best
[03:12] <Jurian> hehe
[03:12] <Jurian> well, they APPEAR to be that
[03:12] <scooby> Controlled Information Agency
[03:12] <Jurian> altho in reality, they probably know damn well what they're doing
[03:12] <alex2221> jurian
[03:12] <scooby> see above post
[03:12] <Jurian> yeah :)
[03:12] <scooby> hi alex
[03:13] <alex2221> where did u get the info u've told me?
[03:14] <Jurian> what info?
[03:14] <alex2221> that nency is lying and all that
[03:14] <hummer> only found 1 pic of nancy
[03:14] <Jurian> I told you that already
[03:15] <Jurian> we're not supposed to talk about that anyway, in this channel
[03:15] <Jurian> so please drop it
[03:15] <alex2221> the logs? how come no1 besides haven't noticed that?
[03:15] <[AC-logging]> about 12, i think
[03:15] <alex2221> the logs? how come no1 besides u haven't noticed that?
[03:15] <alex2221> who cares?
[03:15] <Jurian> you really have to learn how to read
[03:16] <alex2221> queenvee isn't here anyway
[03:16] <Jurian> that doesn't change the rules, does it now
[03:16] <hummer> which rule i missed it
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[03:17] <alex2221> jurian u can k-line right?
[03:17] <Jurian> why?
[03:17] <alex2221> i asking if u can
[03:18] <alex2221> if u have the abillity :)
[03:18] <Jurian> I can
[03:18] <alex2221> why u're not an op here?
[03:18] <Jurian> why would I be?
[03:18] <Jurian> its not my channel
[03:18] <Jurian> if queenvee ops me, I'll be op
[03:19] <alex2221> jurian tell your asl
[03:19] <Jurian> 12/f/brasil
[03:19] <alex2221> stop it!
[03:19] <Jurian> what?
[03:20] <alex2221> say the truth
[03:20] <Jurian> that's need-to-know stuff
[03:20] <Jurian> and you don't need to know
[03:20] <hummer> move 2 bulge in brasil save on a/c
[03:21] <[AC-logging]> and what is k-line please -- I just got micr
[03:21] <[AC-logging]> mirc
[03:22] <Jurian> K: line, is a "Kill-Line" in the server configuration, to prevent someone from connecting to the server
[03:22] <hummer> I hav mirc   but just click on QV's link 2 get here
[03:23] <hummer> is it better 2 come w mirc ?
[03:23] <[AC-logging]> more flexible
[03:23] <Jurian> yeah
[03:23] <scooby> hummer: mIRC is a good bit more configurable
[03:23] <Jurian> you can be in multiple channels with mirc, instead of just 1
[03:23] <hummer> when i start mirc cant seem to get it to funet
[03:24] <scooby> Jurian: nice interface, BTW
[03:24] <[AC-logging]> and scripts
[03:24] <Jurian> type /server irc.funnet.org in mirc
[03:24] <scooby> hummer: you need to add it to the list of servers
[03:24] <scooby> it is not there by default
[03:24] <hummer> would like 2 do that so will reread the info readme again
[03:24] <hummer> see wat i cn do - thanks
[03:25] <scooby> File>Options>
[03:25] <[AC-logging]> later, guys
[03:25] <scooby> l8r
[03:25] <scooby> click connect
[03:25] <scooby> then edit
[03:25] <scooby> connect is on the LH side
[03:26] <scooby> type in the info: irc.funnet.org for server
[03:26] <scooby> 6667 for port (should already be there)
[03:26] <scooby> and give it a name up on top
[03:26] <scooby> then hit OK and it will be on your list
[03:28] <hummer> wen u get a reset by peer mesage have u been bounced off by someone on purpose?
[03:28] <scooby> not necisarily
[03:28] <scooby> ugg
[03:28] <scooby> mostly client issue, like dial up problems
[03:28] <scooby> or computer interuptions
[03:29] <hummer> oh yeh my cheap dial up - they pay me it is so baqd
[03:29] <hummer> bad
[03:29] <scooby> LOL
[03:29] <alex2221> who here think that nency lieder is lier?
[03:30] <scooby> brb
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[03:30] <hummer> everybody tells their truth
[03:31] <hummer> lets see if accuracy records comes to include 5/15/3
[03:31] <scooby-afk> back
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[03:32] <scooby> Cult says it has first human clone
[03:32] <scooby> http://www.abc.net.au/news/justin/nat/newsnat-27dec2002-35.htm
[03:32] <hummer> I buy another bag of pinto beans every time I shop
[03:32] <scooby> The Raelians, who claim 55,000 followers worldwide, believe life on earth was established by extraterrestrials who arrived in flying saucers 25,000 years ago, and that humans themselves were created by cloning.
[03:32] <scooby> The baby is the first born of five cloned babies the Raelians have said are due.
[03:33] <alex2221> scooby : the raelians don't believe in soul
[03:33] <hummer> sorry human focils & societys predate that by 100,000 years or more
[03:33] <scooby> I just thought that was interesting
[03:33] <scooby> are they modern human fossils?
[03:33] <scooby> or neanderthal?
[03:33] <hummer> lots of people and ets with theorys out there
[03:34] <hummer> remember the truth is out there  --  some where
[03:35] <hummer> yes humans of several types being found but dont fit in with usa anthropology
[03:36] <hummer> Neanderthal were not extinct now they say just married and mixed in
[03:36] <hummer> havent u met anyu Neanderthals ?  I think I work 4 one!
[03:37] <scooby> LOL
[03:37] <hummer> lots of big boned people  either neanders or decendants of the Nibiruans
[03:38] <hummer> the flood didnt work  just flodded the medeteranian
[03:38] <hummer> too many giants still in Africa left around in the mountains
[03:39] <hummer> antient history now though
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[03:45] <hummer> scooby what do u think of the viewing that steve is doing
[03:45] <scooby> haven't checked it in the last few weeks..
[03:45] <scooby> but it is very interesting
[03:46] <hummer> have been looking "there" in the sky but my scope doesnt track so no pictures yet
[03:46] <scooby> : (
[03:47] <hummer> havent found any camera shops to rent a better 1 here
[03:48] <hummer> I made a grapf based on the info given on zt and i think 4-5 weeks to see it with a notrack 6"
[03:48] <scooby> kewl
[03:49] <hummer> hope so would like to be able 2 tell people that I saw it - would help
[03:49] <scooby> tru tru
[03:49] <hummer> r u buings bags of pinto beans yet
[03:50] <scooby> LOL
[03:50] <scooby> should be, but am not
[03:50] <hummer> I ordered some 3 months ago and the dock strike has it all tied up in san pedro
[03:50] <hummer> they must have alot of gas there
[03:51] <scooby> LOL
[03:51] <scooby> hummer: do you know Anita Ekberg?
[03:52] <scooby> or i should say, do you know who she is?
[03:52] <hummer> we r starting to make bio-diesel in earnest here as as much used fry oil as we want is available
[03:52] <scooby> that's a good idea
[03:52] <hummer> sounds vagely famillier
[03:52] <scooby> http://www.geocities.com/anita_ekberg_2/pictures.html
[03:53] <scooby> she looks to be about your generation
[03:53] <hummer> ill look
[03:53] <scooby> you can double click links in mIRC and they open a new window in IE
[03:55] <hummer> yes i just did - she was definately my parents gen
[03:55] <scooby> movie star?
[03:55] <hummer> right  i never could get into pinups too 2 dimentional
[03:56] <scooby> right
[03:57] <hummer> videos help but nothing works as well as a physicaL impression (on ur lap) a bird in the hand is worth it
[03:57] <scooby> nicely put
[03:58] <hummer> I almos look foreward to a shift as this life is too workaholic no time 4 hobbys etc
[03:58] <scooby> me 2
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[03:59] <hummer> what brought up the pinup
[03:59] <scooby> just wondering...  I was browsing this weblog and had no idea who she was
[04:00] <scooby> i thought you said you were 60...
[04:00] <scooby> <====late 20's....   20-12
[04:01] <hummer> oh - when i was small my dad had a recording studio and i had fun playing recordings that were all over the place vynal 78rpm discs
[04:01] <hummer> no some one said that they were 62 im 57 but i said live stasrts at 60 2 be polite
[04:02] <scooby> oic
[04:02] <scooby> lol
[04:02] <hummer> married wife with birthday today 23 yrs younger had to wait long to be leagle
[04:03] <scooby> hmmm...
[04:03] <hummer> ur only as young as u think
[04:04] <hummer> still skateboard surf dance and generally missbehave like a 25yr old
[04:04] <scooby> nice
[04:04] <hummer> dont dring anymore cant take the hangoverrrrrs
[04:04] <scooby> my body feels like it's 50
[04:04] <hummer> buy a hot tub
[04:04] <scooby> ooooo
[04:04] <scooby> good idea
[04:04] <scooby> :)
[04:05] <hummer> if u work hard it is important to keep ur joints working at anyage
[04:05] <hummer> exercise & hot water
[04:06] <hummer> besides they r a magnet for interesting times
[04:06] <scooby> : )
[04:07] <scooby> gotta get the wife her dishwasher first tho
[04:07] <scooby> then my hot tub...
[04:07] <hummer> make that rent one long term financing
[04:07] <scooby> our hot tub
[04:07] <scooby> ooooo
[04:07] <scooby> good idea...
[04:07] <scooby> why didn't i think of that
[04:07] <hummer> I have a new jeep on reserve 4 rental in may
[04:08] <hummer> besides they dont charge u til u bring it back
[04:08] <scooby> i am thinking about renting a moving truck and packing it all up the month before
[04:08] <scooby> and going on an extended vaction
[04:08] <hummer> good plan
[04:10] <hummer> I make things  so my wife put in an order 4 a teardpop trailer
[04:10] <hummer> she dosent want to go to the mountains w/out a proper kitchen
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[04:12] <hummer> s.d.morton says that earth girls have a rep 4 being easy in the universe (Genesis 6)
[04:12] <scooby> LOL
[04:13] <hummer> I have been telling people for a year re px and only now a few want to move stuff up the hill
[04:14] <hummer> only hav 1 hill here - hope it will not b 2 crouded
[04:14] <scooby> where are you?
[04:14] <hummer> w/lots of last minute people w/ only a sack lunch
[04:15] <hummer> in Kauai, Hawaii
[04:15] <hummer> vacilate between buying foor and pricing tickets to mineapplois MN
[04:16] <hummer> food
[04:16] <scooby> i gotta go...
[04:16] <scooby> that's right HI
[04:16] <hummer> bye & thanks 4 the info
[04:16] <scooby> np...  nite!
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[04:24] <hummer> hummer packing it in - bye
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[06:51] <zepar> hello all
[06:52] <zepar> anyone hear about the first human cloned baby born today?
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[08:33] <Dsarith> Good Morning all
[08:33] <fetus> morning
[08:33] <Dsarith> And how are you today Fetus
[08:34] <fetus> perfect...and yourself?
[08:35] <Dsarith> Good :-)
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[08:49] <Nightbird> Hi everyone
[08:49] <Dsarith> Hi Nightbird
[08:50] <Nightbird> Hi D
[08:50] <Dsarith> Its quiet today :-)
[08:50] <Nightbird> I was just thinking the same thing
[08:50] <Dsarith> Where are you from... me Dallas TX
[08:50] <Nightbird> I thought I'd check in to see whats happening... obviously not too much
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[08:51] <Nightbird> I am just north of you in Gainesville
[08:51] <Dsarith> Not much at all
[08:51] <Dsarith> I know where your at :-)
[08:51] <Nightbird> My brother lives in Garland
[08:51] <Dsarith> Just around the corner from me
[08:51] <Nightbird> he is a Dallas city cop
[08:51] <Dsarith> I am actually in Plano
[08:52] <Nightbird> yep.. I know where you are
[08:52] <Dsarith> Thats cool. I would be a cop, but not enough pay for me
[08:52] <Nightbird> actually I don't live in the city of Gainesville.. but out in the country
[08:53] <Dsarith> Have you been coming into this room?
[08:53] <Dsarith> err Channel
[08:53] <Nightbird> I wish he woiuld come here and be a cop... not as dangerous, but he won't do it as the pension is good there and he would lose it
[08:53] <Nightbird> yes, usually at night or when Nancy/Zetas are here
[08:54] <Dsarith> I am usually in the day, well starting last week ... lol
[08:54] <Nightbird> I am the night driver of our trucking team (with my husband) and more of a nightperson
[08:54] <Dsarith> What did you brother think about the whole issue on the city trying to not give them their pay raise?
[08:54] <Nightbird> he is a day person..
[08:55] * obany brb
[08:55] <Nightbird> he thinks it sux of course... LOL...
[08:55] <Dsarith> I bet :-)
[08:55] <Dsarith> So you drive trucks?
[08:55] <Nightbird> It galls him that I have no college.. and I make more money than he does..
[08:55] <Nightbird> yes
[08:55] <Dsarith> I am a night person too, but since I work on computers all day long, I try to stay off of them at night..
[08:56] <Nightbird> and I only have to dodge four-wheelers... not bullets
[08:56] <Nightbird> you are a service tech?
[08:56] <Dsarith> Tell you brother that a college degree can get you in the door sometimes and thats about it.
[08:56] <Dsarith> I am a Cisco Network Engineer
[08:56] <Nightbird> that is true.. his degree is in Business amnagement
[08:57] <Nightbird> I have a GED
[08:57] <Dsarith> My degree and master work is in psychology and I am doing network engineering... What does that tell you? lol
[08:57] <Nightbird> dropped out in the 10th grade... guess I was in a hurry to get married to a drunken bum who abused drugs and women
[08:58] <Nightbird> psychology always interested me.. my dad was a psychiatrist
[08:58] <Dsarith> Oh, I am sorry, but you are not married to that person now are you?
[08:58] <Nightbird> no.. that was long ago
[08:58] <Dsarith> Good for you!
[08:58] <Dsarith> Otherwise, we would be having a different conversation on what you are thinking... lol
[08:58] <Nightbird> cost me everything I had to get away from him... home, kids, family everything... down to the clothes on my back
[08:59] <Nightbird> oh yes, qite different conversation
[08:59] <Nightbird> my husband now is very good husband.. doesn't drink, smoke drugs or hit women
[08:59] <Dsarith> The important thing is that you got out
[08:59] <Nightbird> yes.. won't happen again
[08:59] <Nightbird> ever
[09:00] <Dsarith> Good determination on your part
[09:00] <Nightbird> and good pistol
[09:00] <Dsarith> lol
[09:00] <Dsarith> That probably helps too
[09:00] <Nightbird> I'll shoot the next man who hits me
[09:00] <Dsarith> Personally, I think it should be legal for a woman to shoot a man who hits them
[09:00] <Nightbird> obviously, I do too
[09:01] <Nightbird> I was very stupid.. married 1st husband when I was 15
[09:01] <Nightbird> I grew up and he didn't
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[09:01] <Dsarith> Way too young
[09:01] <Nightbird> yes.. I was a fool
[09:01] <Dsarith> Hi Alex2221
[09:01] <alex2221> sarith r u from israel?
[09:01] <Nightbird> thought I knew everything
[09:02] <Dsarith> No, not from Israel... Texas :-)
[09:02] <Dsarith> You learn in life and when you are young you dont realize what life is all about
[09:03] <Dsarith> Oh
[09:03] <Nightbird> Yes.. it was a spiritual plan, I see now... I regret nothing
[09:03] <alex2221> what is this about?
[09:03] <Dsarith> Let me long into TT
[09:03] <Nightbird> talking about my screwups...LOL
[09:03] <alex2221> obany kick him
[09:04] <alex2221> he said an ugly word:)
[09:04] <Nightbird> ugly word?
[09:05] <Dsarith> I dont see TT on this. I am usually logged into earth changes
[09:05] <Nightbird> D.. are you on mirc?
[09:05] <alex2221> where else she can be?
[09:07] <Nightbird> I don't know.. I am new to Mirc myself
[09:07] <Dsarith> Yes I am on MIRC
[09:08] <Nightbird> You can add channels by clicking the folder-looking thing above
[09:08] <alex2221> dsarith your asl plz
[09:08] <Nightbird> it has a #+
[09:08] <Nightbird> on it
[09:08] <alex2221> doh
[09:08] <Nightbird> when the window opens then type the room you want to go to
[09:08] <Nightbird> for example #troubled_times
[09:08] <Dsarith> I know how to add channels, but I only tt I see has one person in it
[09:09] <alex2221> or u cna just type /j #channel
[09:09] <Nightbird> LOl.. can't help you with that.. I already left it
[09:09] <alex2221> or u can just type /j #channel
[09:09] <Nightbird> OK.. didn't know about that way
[09:09] <Dsarith> Got it
[09:09] <Dsarith> It wasnt showing on my list
[09:09] <Nightbird> still figuring this out
[09:09] <Dsarith> thats the problem :-)
[09:10] <Dsarith> I use to teach this, but that was years ago... lol
[09:10] <Nightbird> Ok.. well I am off to ride the new ATV
[09:10] <alex2221> to see the list of all channels on this server type /list
[09:10] <Dsarith> Ok have fun
[09:10] <Dsarith> I got it Alex... Thanks
[09:10] <Nightbird> I am cumputer illiterate.. learning as I go and with help from the people I meet along the path
[09:10] <Dsarith> It wasnt showing in the list
[09:10] <Nightbird> Love and light to you all
[09:10] <Nightbird> bye
[09:10] <Dsarith> Bye Bye NB
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[09:11] <alex2221> finally
[09:11] <Dsarith> Yip... :-)
[09:11] <alex2221> i thought he'll never gonna leave
[09:11] <Dsarith> I am so rusty on MIRC these days
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[09:23] <stanwnd> Hi everybody, I'm new here
[09:23] <stanwnd> is anyone around?
[09:23] <Dsarith> I am hear
[09:23] <Dsarith> here
[09:23] <Dsarith> Hi
[09:24] <stanwnd> hello Dsarit, where are you located, I'm in Kansas
[09:24] <stanwnd> Dsarith, sorry
[09:25] <Dsarith> Sorry
[09:25] <Dsarith> On the TT channel
[09:25] <Dsarith> I am from Dallas TX
[09:25] <Dsarith> :-)
[09:26] <stanwnd> wondering if there is a better time to meet all others?
[09:27] <Dsarith> No
[09:27] <stanwnd> are you familiar with zetaTalk?
[09:27] <Dsarith> This is the way the channel is... However, its a good channel and good people in the channel
[09:27] <Dsarith> Its kind of like hanging out at a coffee house
[09:27] <stanwnd> very good
[09:27] <Dsarith> Yes I am and trying to figure it all out
[09:28] <Dsarith> I take you have
[09:28] <Dsarith> Come to troubled_Times and watch the show
[09:28] <stanwnd> Just wondering if there is a known list of various groups that are forming?
[09:29] <stanwnd> the show?  is it on internet?
[09:29] <Dsarith> No, we are discussing this
[09:29] <Dsarith> Channel Troubled_times
[09:29] <stanwnd> OK
[09:29] <stanwnd> than this is not it?
[09:30] <Dsarith> Kind of... come over to the channel and watch, you will see
[09:31] <stanwnd> is this a video channel?
[09:31] <Dsarith> no IRC
[09:31] <stanwnd> or a "channell"  channeled?
[09:31] <stanwnd> radio talk show?
[09:32] <Dsarith> No, this is #poleshiftdiscussion channel. Go to #Troubled_Times
[09:32] <Dsarith> Does that help?
[09:32] <stanwnd> very well, thanks
[09:32] <Dsarith> Cool
[09:33] <stanwnd> since I'm here what is being discussed now
[09:33] <Dsarith> Discussing PlanetX possibilities
[09:33] <Dsarith> Come join... Do you know how?
[09:34] <stanwnd> How is that
[09:34] <Dsarith> What client are you using to IRC in? MIRC
[09:34] <stanwnd> client? I'm with AT&T server
[09:35] <Dsarith> How did you get into this channel
[09:35] <stanwnd> I just joined
[09:35] <Dsarith> Cool
[09:36] <stanwnd> this is then the discussion board?
[09:36] <Dsarith> Discussion channel
[09:36] <Dsarith> Can you see me there
[09:36] <stanwnd> in what way?
[09:37] <Dsarith> My name
[09:37] <Dsarith> I am writting to MR_Odd.. Just like you see me here
[09:37] <stanwnd> I'm seeing the coversation, thats all
[09:38] <stanwnd> I'm seeing the group now, in the far right
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[09:46] <obany> odd odd this is not the right channel for you
[09:47] <Dsarith> Hi Obany :-)
[09:47] <Mr_Odd> i'll behave
[09:47] <Mr_Odd> i just want to watch
[09:47] <Mr_Odd> and maybe add a few non-inflammatory comments here and there
[09:47] <Mr_Odd> I have no problem with helping people prepare for this thing
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[10:02] <Dsarith> It is bad, but that is how odd sees you... lol
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[10:06] <closeminded_cultslave> Dsarith: i know
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[10:20] <Mr_Odd> helllo
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[10:33] <Dsarith> Are you finding a lot of sleeping people ... lol
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[10:34] <QueenVee> yep!
[10:34] <raincity> everyone is napping.
[10:34] <Dsarith> Kicking them to get them awake... lol
[10:34] <Dsarith> Yip
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[10:36] <Dsarith> lol
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[10:36] <Dsarith> What does she get?
[10:36] <QueenVee> a kick in the pants
[10:37] <Dsarith> :-)
[10:37] <QueenVee> well, i'm off to see what the news is today....
[10:37] <alex2221> QueenVee: honey i'm home :)
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[10:38] <PGill> hello
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[10:45] <Ogmios> hi Queen
[10:45] <QueenVee> hi ogmios
[10:45] <QueenVee> did you have a nice holiday?
[10:45] <alex> hello folks
[10:46] <alex> i had
[10:46] <Ogmios> yes. very peaceful
[10:46] <QueenVee> peaceful is good
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[10:46] <QueenVee> hello Thunderbird
[10:47] <Dsarith> You didnt answer my question QV? Did you have a good dinner on Boxing Day?
[10:47] <Dsarith> Or did you answer it and I missed it
[10:48] <QueenVee> oh, sorry -- yes, it was very nice
[10:48] <Dsarith> Good
[10:48] <QueenVee> but two big dinners in a row...
[10:48] <QueenVee> too much
[10:48] <Dsarith> Yah, it sucks
[10:48] <Dsarith> I feel like 50 pounds heavier after holidays... Hate that
[10:48] <QueenVee> yep
[10:49] <QueenVee> so today it's back to eating light
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[10:49] <Dsarith> I will take a salad and no sweets
[10:50] <alex> in order to become slim after a while
[10:50] <Dsarith> Yes to get back to 218-225. I am 6'4 any slimmer I will be a tooth pick :-)
[10:51] <QueenVee> ah, tall man
[10:51] <QueenVee> both of my husbands were 6'4"...
[10:51] <Dsarith> Its good and bad. I bump my head alot
[10:52] <QueenVee> and you need those aisle seats for your long legs
[10:52] <Dsarith> The most uncomfortable thing for me is to be in an elevator with a man taller than me. It gives me the creeps... Weird I know :-)
[10:52] <QueenVee> lol
[10:52] <Dsarith> Absolutely...
[10:52] <QueenVee> yes, my husbands always said the same thing
[10:52] <QueenVee> it was a big deal when they ran into someone taller than them
[10:53] <QueenVee> a close friend of mine, her husband is 6'7" and a computer graphics genius to boot
[10:53] <QueenVee> my husband was TOTALLY intimidated by him when they met
[10:53] <Dsarith> See, I would hate him all the time!
[10:53] <QueenVee> the body language was hilarious
[10:53] <alex> how centimeters is 6'4''?
[10:53] <QueenVee> my friend's husband is the most laid-back, confident man you'd ever meet
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[10:54] <Dsarith> Hi Jurian
[10:54] <QueenVee> men go up to him in bars to pick fights; his height seems to piss them off
[10:54] <alex> qv do u have knowledge in ufo's etc?
[10:55] <Dsarith> Exactly what I was going to say... too many men have short men identity crisis and they like to prove that they can take us out.
[10:55] <QueenVee> lol
[10:55] <Dsarith> But when we are faced with a tall man ourselves our egos go down like 4 notches and we just want to punch the guys
[10:56] <Dsarith> We all suffer from egos I guess
[10:56] <alex> who cares?
[10:56] <Dsarith> I care :-)
[10:56] <alex> k got the point now please stop
[10:56] <QueenVee> well, i'm 5'8", tall for a woman -- but not into GIANT category -- but i reached this height at age 13, and so have always been self-conscious about my height....
[10:57] <alex> qv do u have knowledge in ufo's etc?
[10:57] <Dsarith> I bet at age 13 you must have been a giant to your peers
[10:57] <QueenVee> so i've never been able to date short men -- even my own height -- they had to be much taller
[10:57] <Dsarith> But great as an adult
[10:57] <QueenVee> well, i still AM a giant to my peers
[10:57] <QueenVee> hehe
[10:57] <Dsarith> lol... I suppose that is true too
[10:57] <QueenVee> (just joking)
[10:58] <alex> Dsarith: this is not the place to this sort of discussion
[10:58] <Dsarith> I am talking to QV thank you Alex
[10:58] <QueenVee> our society teaches us that you have to be big to be masculine, and small to be feminine
[10:58] <Dsarith> Yes and that is so true
[10:59] <QueenVee> so you can imagine how a tall, smart, push woman like myself pisses some men off
[10:59] <QueenVee> push=pushy
[10:59] <Dsarith> Yes, but its good to see that you have a high confidence level
[10:59] <QueenVee> that comes with age
[10:59] <alex> QueenVee: what's the effect of the planet x on the wether?
[11:00] <Dsarith> Ok back to business QV
[11:00] <alex> lol :)))
[11:00] <QueenVee> ok!
[11:01] <QueenVee> i just finished cleaning up my links -- kinda like cleaning out your closet
[11:01] <Dsarith> I got your email and will take time to read through it.
[11:01] <QueenVee> my email?
[11:01] <Dsarith> I think the idea of local networking is great one
[11:01] <alex> qv why r u ignoring from me?
[11:01] <QueenVee> oh, that one, ok
[11:02] <QueenVee> yes, i've gotten a lot of submissions, i'm just in the process of getting them up on the site
[11:02] <alex> qv!!!!!!!
[11:02] <alex> sorry
[11:03] <alex> anyway, my question is how's the climate being affected from the planet x?
[11:03] <Dsarith> Alex: Rule of thumb, in this room, if QV is talking about off subjects, then everyone gets to talk off subject. If she is in the business mode then most of us are quiet
[11:04] <alex> well i'm in business mode!!
[11:04] <Dsarith> This is not your channel...
[11:04] <Dsarith> Its QVs
[11:04] <alex> but she's ignoring me
[11:05] <alex> anyway, my question is how's the climate being affected by the planet x?
[11:05] <Dsarith> Only because you came in and tried to take control of this discussion and subject matter.
[11:05] <Dsarith> Bad ettiquette
[11:05] <alex> well i'm sorry
[11:05] <Dsarith> Now back to your question
[11:05] <Dsarith> If I may QV
[11:05] <QueenVee> by all means
[11:06] <alex> anyway, my question is how's the climate being affected by the planet x?
[11:06] <PGill> havent you read ZT?
[11:06] <Dsarith> Go to www.zetatalk.com and your questions will be answered in its entirety. Bottom line the weather will change and depending where you are...
[11:06] <Dsarith> It will be very hot or very cold
[11:07] <Dsarith> Anything you would like to add QV?
[11:07] <QueenVee> sorry, i have Alex on ignore and didn't read anything he said
[11:08] <QueenVee> there, he's off ignore now
[11:08] <Dsarith> Ok
[11:08] <Dsarith> :-)
[11:08] <QueenVee> what was the question, sorry
[11:08] <alex> who was i private messaging ??
[11:08] <Dsarith> I was in TT this morning and man are they closed minded
[11:08] <QueenVee> Dsarith: yeah, they are obssessed with debunking
[11:09] <QueenVee> sorry, alex -- i forgot i had you on ignore
[11:09] <Dsarith> I was trying to see where they stood, first time in the channel. Its one thing to doubt and its another to deny absolutely
[11:09] <QueenVee> yeah, extremism of any kind is always emotionally based
[11:09] <alex> dsarith your asl plz
[11:10] <Dsarith> one sec, talking to one of my engineers
[11:10] <QueenVee> there are many people who are only capable in thinking in terms of polarities, black and white, right or wrong....
[11:11] <alex> i don't consider weinstein sane anymore
[11:11] <QueenVee> they are very uncomfortable and stressed by grey areas, uncertainties, unresolved issues.... they insist on resolving them one way or another, cannot tolerate anything existing in an ambiguous state
[11:12] <QueenVee> alex: i told you not to mention or discuss him here. one more time and you're gone.
[11:13] <alex> because hi's treatenning u? isn't he?
[11:13] <QueenVee> and unfortunately the issue of planetX and the poleshift is just one of those unresolved issues....
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[11:14] <QueenVee> we're all in a wait and see mode, we have no choice to to see what develops
[11:14] <QueenVee> hi obany
[11:14] <obany> hi brb
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[11:14] <QueenVee> the best anyone can say is that the evidence leans heavily in one direction or another; but there is nothing conclusive as yet to resolve the matter in one direction over the other
[11:15] <alex> of what??
[11:15] <alex> of what??
[11:15] <QueenVee> don't understand your question, alex
[11:15] <alex> obany my dear :)
[11:16] <alex> what were u talking about?
[11:16] <QueenVee> PX and the poleshift
[11:16] <alex> k
[11:17] <alex> ****I'll be right back****
[11:17] <QueenVee> oh joy
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[11:17] <obany> back
[11:17] <obany> hi Queen
[11:17] <QueenVee> hey obany
[11:18] <Ogmios> hi obany
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[11:19] <Dsarith> Ok back
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[11:20] <QueenVee> Dsarith: i made a bunch of comments above, scroll back
[11:20] <QueenVee> hello BOY
[11:20] <BoY> hi
[11:22] <Dsarith> I concur, most people want to define their life in black and white, but to me life is a lot more gray than anthing.
[11:23] <BoY> i saw in news there was mild earth quake in ny on xmas
[11:23] <QueenVee> yes, boy, that's right
[11:23] <BoY> i didn't feel it
[11:23] <Dsarith> Never deny the possibility, question the probability.
[11:23] <QueenVee> you have just reminded me that i forgot to put that on my website
[11:23] <obany> moment again
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[11:23] <QueenVee> i think i accidentally deleted the link -- do you have it BOY?
[11:24] <QueenVee> Dsarith: well said
[11:24] <BoY> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37400-2002Dec25.html
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[11:25] <QueenVee> Dsarith: F.Scott Fitzgerald said that the mark of a truly creative mind is the ability to hold two seemingly opposing ideas in the mind at the same time without giving into the compulsion to resolve them.....
[11:25] <Dsarith> Now that is well said... lol
[11:26] <QueenVee> if one observes the unresolved state of things without judgement or interference, the connective threads begin to rise to the surface, leading to extraordinary insight...
[11:26] <QueenVee> thanks, Boy!
[11:26] <BoY> :)
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[11:27] <obany> !down
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[11:27] <alex> queenvee : don't you think that discussion about the reliability and authenticity of detatalk is more important then stupid discussion about "preperation" to a poleshift we don't even know if going to be?????????????
[11:27] <obany> !up
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[11:28] <QueenVee> alex: no, i don't
[11:28] <alex> how come???
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[11:28] <Dsarith> But is it possible to observe without bias. For what we are and who we taints our existence with understandings that real or not. However, if you hold that perception is ones reality does it matter either way.
[11:28] <obany> alex: so you decided to join in again ?
[11:29] <obany> don't you know about the topic of this channel ?
[11:29] <Dsarith> Alex is having trouble understanding channel dynamics
[11:29] <obany> this channel alex is for talking about preparation for the pole shift .. and not about discussing wether it's wrong or not
[11:30] <QueenVee> Dsarith: no, it is not possible to observe completely without bias. but the first step towards being able to recognize what aspects of our observation might be biased is acknowledging that bias is present and possible in the first place
[11:30] <obany> and yes alex i know that you are the same alex
[11:30] <Dsarith> Girl after my own heart! Well said... well said
[11:30] <obany> the one who calles me a snob
[11:30] <alex> i can't seem to understand your state of mind about that qv
[11:31] <QueenVee> people who confidently pronounce themselves "unbiased" are the most prone to bias, in my opinion
[11:31] <alex> why r u so blindly trust what nency lieder is saying?
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[11:31] <obany> !kick alex
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[11:32] <QueenVee> he keeps evading the bans....
[11:32] <Dsarith> I totally agree. The first to speak up about being closed minded is often making a statement more about themself then the one he/she is talking to.
[11:32] <Dsarith> Let him in and lets play with him for awhile. Everyone needs a toy... lol
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[11:33] <obany> QueenVee: guess his IP is dynamic, then set it on *!*@*.red.bezeqint.net
[11:33] <alex2221> im sorry
[11:33] <alex2221> don't ban me
[11:33] <alex2221> give me one more chance
[11:33] <alex2221> last one
[11:33] <QueenVee> and that takes you back to the subject of self-acceptance -- once you accept yourself as a flawed human being, you can then take your flaws into account when dealing with the world -- instead of focussing on hiding them from everyone
[11:33] <alex2221> i'm bagging
[11:33] <Dsarith> Alex: Why are you here?
[11:34] <obany> !ban *!*@*.red.bezeqint.net
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[11:34] <Dsarith> lol
[11:34] <QueenVee> thanks obany
[11:34] <Dsarith> I think that should cover alex... lol
[11:34] <QueenVee> what a loser
[11:34] <Dsarith> Yip
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[11:35] <QueenVee> hi juditness, problem solved
[11:35] <obany> alex2221: you should well just now that this channel is not for discussing wether it's wrong or right
[11:35] <juditness> oh k
[11:35] <juditness> =]
[11:35] <QueenVee> thanks a lot!
[11:35] <juditness> mind if i stick around?
[11:35] <Dsarith> But its very difficult for people to see themselves as they are. Hence, why there are so many problems
[11:35] <juditness> or do i have to leave?
[11:35] <QueenVee> you are welcome here anytime, juditness
[11:35] <juditness> ty ;)
[11:36] <QueenVee> Dsarith: when people start listing my faults to me, i readily admit to them and say, well, that's me, im 43 years old and not likely to change. now, how are YOU going to deal with that fact? now that you know i can't be changed, do you have the ability to adapt to that reality?
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[11:37] <QueenVee> it usually shuts them up
[11:37] <QueenVee> hehe
[11:37] <Dsarith> Exactly, people should do a lot more accepting of others and be honest in there approach. Social interaction has little to do with honesty and more to do with not hurting others feelings.
[11:38] <QueenVee> or, more usually, not upsetting the status quo
[11:38] <obany> QueenVee: might help if you want to kick and ban someoene and since you are registered with chanserv you can use !kickban nickname <host> also
[11:39] <obany> anyway bbl
[11:39] <QueenVee> i've worked on a lot of boards in my day, and the group that values non-conflict and non-offensive above all always falls into stagnancy
[11:39] <QueenVee> the group that values growth above all realizes that some conflict and "offence" is inevitable and must be tolerated
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[11:40] <Dsarith> There is a rule, for every gain there is a loss
[11:40] <QueenVee> well said, absolutely
[11:41] <QueenVee> most people want to have their cake and to eat it too
[11:41] <Dsarith> Yes, yes they do and that is not how the world works
[11:42] <Dsarith> I am 36 and find myself questioning myself and life all the time.
[11:42] <QueenVee> interesting, back to the subject at hand, the ANGER that zetatalk inspires seems to come down to people being ANGRY that it has introduced an unresolvable element of uncertainty into their lives....
[11:42] <QueenVee> it cannot be ignored.... yet it cannot be proven....
[11:43] <QueenVee> the tension is unbearable
[11:43] <Dsarith> And can actually mark the times in my life that I have done the most changing. It was when I started being honest with me, how I feel, and willing to pay the cost to grow.
[11:43] <QueenVee> yes, and it's not about right or wrong, or i *should* or *shouldn't* do this, or be like that. it comes down to making choices, and accepting the trade-offs.
[11:44] <Dsarith> Exactly, but somewhere along the lines people miss it.
[11:44] <Dsarith> Anger is a sheild to most
[11:45] <Dsarith> It put up to protect us. Sometimes to defend, most of the time because we are presented with an issue we are unwilling to accept
[11:46] <Dsarith> When we lose someone, anger is right after denial.
[11:46] <QueenVee> Dsarith: with regards to ZT, though, i really don't think it's about not being able to accept. People actually accept things quite readily when they are clearly inevitable.....
[11:46] <QueenVee> i think it's about not being able to tolerate the current uncertainty
[11:46] <Dsarith> It gives the mind time to deal with what is, given no other choice.
[11:46] <QueenVee> but, to me, the uncertainty is part of the process, the lesson, if you will
[11:46] <Dsarith> Very good insight QV
[11:47] <QueenVee> we are presented with a world in which the sources that we usually depend on for information are proving unreliable if not down right deceptive....
[11:47] <QueenVee> but we have not mastered the other source of information....
[11:48] <QueenVee> our intuitive knowledge
[11:48] <QueenVee> we are being to asked to trust our intuitive knowledge over our traditional sources
[11:48] <Dsarith> I agree totally. People need definitions in their life. Intuitive knowledge is the first thing that get denied.
[11:48] <QueenVee> a huge leap
[11:48] <QueenVee> HUGE
[11:48] <Dsarith> Huge
[11:49] <QueenVee> it scares ME shitless
[11:49] <Dsarith> How do you resolve the fear
[11:49] <QueenVee> ah.... you dont'.....
[11:49] <Dsarith> Oh you do
[11:49] <QueenVee> you learn to live with it, tolerate it
[11:49] <Dsarith> one way or another
[11:50] <Dsarith> You face it or deny it
[11:50] <QueenVee> okay, gotcha
[11:50] <QueenVee> yes
[11:50] <QueenVee> yes, resolve it, rather than end it
[11:50] <Dsarith> This is what most cant do
[11:51] <QueenVee> interesting, i came to a point a few years ago in my life where i felt like i was under constant threat to the things that made me feel "secure" in the world....
[11:51] <QueenVee> felt very torn betwixt and between.....
[11:51] <QueenVee> and i remember the day that i got really angry and made the resolute decision (that i have not gone back on), that I WILL NOT BE RULED BY FEAR
[11:52] <QueenVee> the fear is not gone....
[11:52] <QueenVee> but i refuse to let it rule my actions and decisions
[11:52] <Dsarith> And I applaud you for this.
[11:53] <QueenVee> it's there, but it just got demoted
[11:53] <QueenVee> hehe
[11:53] <Dsarith> I am one who can totally understand what you are saying
[11:54] <Dsarith> I laugh at myself because the more I want to run from something, the more I know I need to stay and fight, else I become totally miserable in a life that by choice I made for myself
[11:54] <QueenVee> i hate WHAT IF questions because they they always come from a place of fear
[11:54] <QueenVee> oh yes, if it scares you shitless, there's definitely a lesson there to stick around for
[11:54] <QueenVee> if it makes you uncomfortable, you should explore that discomfort
[11:55] <QueenVee> thing is, if you let fear rule you, you are a ready target for STS types
[11:55] <QueenVee> they can smell fear like a dog smells meat
[11:55] <Dsarith> Here is how I deal with "What IF" I make a decision, make the action, own up to the consequences and never look back on the what if. Not sure its totally healthy, but its "MY LIFE"... lol
[11:56] <QueenVee> and that's how they control people, by appealing to their FEARS.... if you don't do this, people won't like you..... if you don't do this, you will end up a bag lady.... if you don't do this, etc etc.
[11:57] <QueenVee> yeah, i was talking about people who get stuck in WHAT IF, not able to make a decision, because of the WHAT IFs...
[11:57] <Dsarith> There is going to be alot of fear starting in February and increase from there. PlanetX will be able to be seen and the word will be sent around. There will those who still will deny it until May.
[11:57] <Dsarith> Oh gotcha
[11:58] <QueenVee> that's why i want to throttle people when they say "WHAT IF THE POLESHIFT DOESN'T HAPPEN?".... or "WHAT IF NANCY & THE ZETAS ARE LYING TO US?"...
[11:58] <QueenVee> watch what happens in this channel....
[11:58] <Dsarith> Exactly, I have been there holding up my life because of What IFs before... most miserable time in my life
[11:58] <QueenVee> it will be a microcosm....
[11:59] <QueenVee> this room will eventually get winnowed down to this who refuse to be ruled by fear -- either their fear of the poleshift happening, or their fear of it not happening
[11:59] <QueenVee> those who are simply preparing for both eventualities
[12:00] <QueenVee> not without fear, but calmly, resolutely
[12:00] <QueenVee> people who have made their choice
[12:01] <QueenVee> and are prepared to live with it
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[12:01] <Dsarith> Right now I think that most people are clueless of PX to begin with and those that know, most are going to wait for the What IF to show itself. Which in itself insane. You should be planning now. Be aware of what is happening and be ready to implement your plans. Why sit and wait for what IFs.
[12:02] <QueenVee> somebody once said to me, but what if you turn out to be wrong after everything you've invested in this, won't you feel HUMILIATED? I said, i'd rather be wrong on the side of caution and suffer some harmless humiliation, than be wrong in the other direction....
[12:02] <QueenVee> i'm not ruled by my fear of humiliation
[12:02] <QueenVee> what a stupid thing to be ruled by
[12:02] <QueenVee> hello islander!
[12:03] <islander> hello qv
[12:03] <Dsarith> Exactly... humilation can kill you ;-)
[12:03] <Dsarith> lol
[12:03] <QueenVee> lol
[12:03] <Dsarith> Hello Islander
[12:03] <QueenVee> a few good doses of humiliation are good for the soul....
[12:03] <QueenVee> makes you realize that it doesn't kill you, that you can survive it, and even avoid it from time to time
[12:04] <Dsarith> Definetly
[12:04] <QueenVee> i've made a completely fool of myself so many times that is just doesn't matter anymore
[12:04] <QueenVee> better a fool than dead
[12:05] <islander> interesting discussion, what if your preparations led to a positive life change no matter which way the future leads
[12:05] <QueenVee> islander: EXACTLY!
[12:05] <Dsarith> I think it always leads to a positive life change because you are doing it
[12:05] <Dsarith> :-)
[12:06] <islander> this thing is like a time warp back to the sixties, imagine a world free of pollution, clean energy...
[12:06] <QueenVee> it is a Buddhist teaching that it doesn't matter WHAT you commit yourself to, just that you DO commit yourself to SOMETHING
[12:06] <QueenVee> Chop wood, carry water
[12:07] <Dsarith> And believe me, with what is happening in the world these days, I am pretty sure that if PX doesnt come, all the preparation will still be needed.. Sad as it is
[12:07] <Dsarith> Exactly QV
[12:07] <Dsarith> There is nothing to lose by preparing
[12:08] <Dsarith> I tried to talk reason in the TT this morning, but there was none to be had
[12:09] <Dsarith> Islander: I think this world could use a clean up..
[12:09] <islander> right dsarith,I don't believe that we have to martyr ourselves and give up good technologies, we we could sure improve on our thinking, eg why do we focus on disposab;le products
[12:10] <Dsarith> Exactly
[12:10] <QueenVee> what if this whole thing turned to be a ruse to get us all to recognize the dead-end nature of my current ways of doing things, and to start thinking about and planning for a better paradigm...?
[12:10] <QueenVee> would that be such a bad thing?
[12:11] <QueenVee> my=our
[12:11] <islander> unfortunately, a return to quality a lasting products would spell disaster to our present economies
[12:11] <islander> so the committment to change required has to be big
[12:11] <QueenVee> islander: yes, it's a poorly built house that really needs to be demolished and rebuilt
[12:12] <QueenVee> and that requires sacrifice
[12:12] <islander> is it the house or occupant
[12:12] <Dsarith> No, nor is it a bad thing that there is an opportunity to meet people like all of you to share ideas and thoughts. From this perspective, it would be well worth the "Ruse" to me. I have already gained.
[12:12] <QueenVee> ha, to paraphrase mcluhan, the house IS the occupant....
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[12:12] <QueenVee> hello Nick
[12:13] <Nick> hey
[12:14] <QueenVee> wouldn't it be cool if people actually came together with the intent to form communities in the aftertime based on new principles -- then the poleshift doesn't happen -- but those people decide to go ahead with their communities anyway?
[12:14] <Nick> thats a scary though
[12:14] <islander> thats part of my original plan, what if scenario, could work either way
[12:14] <QueenVee> because once you've committed to a new way of living, how do you go back?
[12:15] <Dsarith> It would, but it would never happen. Too many issues that would interfer. Much of it would be a lack of common goals.
[12:15] <Dsarith> It would be cool though
[12:15] <QueenVee> yeah -- in the end, the cooperative model should not be adopted simply because it will be NECESSARY in aftertime conditions, but because IT IS THE BEST WAY TO LIVE under any conditions
[12:16] <Dsarith> Yes and I think it is, but this world as it stands wont let that happen.
[12:16] <QueenVee> why does it take a disaster to make us following our better instincts?
[12:16] <Dsarith> So many factors inhibit cooperation of any kind its unbelievable.
[12:16] <QueenVee> is it US, or is it THE SYSTEM that is standing in the way?
[12:16] <QueenVee> is it really NECESSARY for the system to be destroyed first?
[12:17] <Dsarith> Humans are the only species that can really screw themselves up bad... Cogito Ergo Sum
[12:17] <QueenVee> have we already changed, but the system is standing in our way?
[12:17] <Dsarith> Interesting thoughts
[12:17] <islander> it is our present paradigm, part of any plan is almost economic in nature, pooling of living costs= reduction in costs
[12:17] <QueenVee> or is the system waiting for us to change?
[12:17] <Dsarith> I will have to churn that in my head for awhile
[12:17] <Nick> QueenVeee: u suggesting that the shift might not happen, or that your idea would be a good 'plan B' to tell people?
[12:18] <QueenVee> Nick: lol, no
[12:18] <Dsarith> Sorry Nick
[12:18] <Nick> QueenVee: its a good cover plan though; something to tell people.
[12:18] <Dsarith> We are talking theoretical dynamics and the What IF... lol
[12:18] <QueenVee> i still believe that there is a very strong probability there will be a poleshift in May2003
[12:18] <Dsarith> I suppose a bad thing to be talking... lol
[12:18] <QueenVee> we are just speculating on what we all would have gained should a poleshift not happen
[12:19] <Dsarith> Also what we really had to lose... which is nothing!!
[12:19] <QueenVee> i can only speak personally on the question i posed above: have we already changed, but the system is standing in our way?.....
[12:19] <QueenVee> i know that a few years ago i just came to a dead-end in terms of being able to continue in the current paradigm
[12:20] <Nick> QueenVee: is now a good time to break the big news to a few you trust, or should one wait until the quakes really increase?
[12:20] <QueenVee> i ran into brick wall after brick wall in the institutions I worked for, in being able to implement the cooperative models that i felt would really work...
[12:20] <QueenVee> so i got out of management, and now work freelance, for far less money
[12:20] <Dsarith> I want to delve in this, but I must go to a meeting... Be back
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[12:21] <QueenVee> Nick: it is not a question of WHEN you break the news, it is a question of HOW you do it
[12:21] <QueenVee> by Dsarith
[12:21] <QueenVee> hey fetus
[12:21] <Nick> QV: well, that too :-)
[12:21] <fetus> hello!
[12:22] <fetus> anyone heard of this cloned baby using alien technology?
[12:22] <QueenVee> i would very successfully implement new cooperative models and paradigms, achieve REAL SUCCESS, then everyone would get scared....
[12:22] <QueenVee> fetus: yeah, but there's no proof of it yet
[12:22] <QueenVee> we shall see
[12:22] <fetus> yes...proof they say (cnn) in one week
[12:23] <QueenVee> interesting question for ZT
[12:23] <fetus> yes
[12:23] <fetus> very good question considering the media results won't be until next week
[12:23] <Nick> fetus: where did you see this?
[12:24] <fetus> on cnn just now
[12:24] <fetus> they are taking it half serious at this point
[12:24] <QueenVee> Islander: along the lines of the discussion we have been having, i'd like to ask the zetas whether a change to a cooperative paradigm change would be POSSIBLE without a cataclysm like the shift, given the current state of things....
[12:24] <fetus> talking about laws and such but also joking at the alien technology part.
[12:24] <Nick> fetus: you mean 'alien' like from another country lol
[12:25] <QueenVee> fetus: the Raelian group has never claimed that they are using alien technology
[12:25] <fetus> no no...as in out of this world
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[12:25] <QueenVee> hello IaNZ
[12:25] <fetus> thats what cnn was saying...maybe they were just poking fun.
[12:25] <QueenVee> you misheard -- i've read up on this extensively
[12:25] <Nick> QV: didn't the ZTs say that we would never find weapons in Iraq?
[12:26] <IaNZ> Hi Queen.are u in theUK?
[12:26] <fetus> unless they were planted by the us
[12:26] <QueenVee> Nick: yeah, but i don't know about you, but i didn't need the zetas to tell me that one
[12:26] <Nick> hmmmmm
[12:26] <islander> having an alternative model could work and I am getting a lot of interest from people that are tired of the "system"
[12:26] <QueenVee> Ianz: no, i'm in canada -- you?
[12:26] <QueenVee> islander: i'm very excited about asking that question
[12:26] <IaNZ> NZ!!
[12:26] <QueenVee> oops, so sorry
[12:27] <QueenVee> quite obvious from your name
[12:27] <IaNZ> And midsummer , Sunday morning.
[12:27] <fetus> one guy on the a 4 person panel on cnn actually joked about merging human and alien bodys to create a hybrid...it was a joke but still..
[12:27] <islander> The question may be that the willingness or openess to an alternate may expose the nature of the individual
[12:28] <Nick> QV:  see, i just don't get it -- why is the U.S so worked up about a little bit of oil in Iraq? Aren't there other places with more oil?
[12:28] <fetus> it was on talk back live
[12:28] <QueenVee> Nick: no, it is the area with the most concentrated, developed oil
[12:29] <QueenVee> and also the one whose control is most within their grasp
[12:29] <Nick> thx
[12:29] <QueenVee> Canada and Venezuala have almost as much oil, but they don't have an excuse to invade those countries...
[12:30] <Nick> QV: they'll probly find 1 lol
[12:30] <QueenVee> Nick: yeah, i was afraid that one of our govt officals calling bush a moron might lead to some saber rattling....
[12:31] <Nick> q
[12:31] <QueenVee> IaNZ: sunday morning?
[12:31] <QueenVee> it's friday afternoon here
[12:31] <Nick> QV: OUR goverment officials -- what about Germany and the other countries that have heavily criticized Bush?
[12:32] <fetus> no oil in germany
[12:32] <QueenVee> lol
[12:32] <Nick> hah!
[12:32] <QueenVee> you got it, fetus
[12:32] <IaNZ>  Yep..I'm in the future...what do you want to know???
[12:32] <QueenVee> Nick, when i say OUR, i am talking about the Canadian govt -- i'm canadian
[12:32] <QueenVee> Ianz: has the poleshift happened yet?
[12:32] <fetus> cnn does not cover peace protest...thats one big crock of sh*t
[12:32] <Nick> QV: sory forgot.
[12:32] <QueenVee> yep, major manure
[12:33] <fetus> protesters outside of cnn headquarters and the white house....nothing to report..
[12:33] <IaNZ> Wait..I'll look out the window.....
[12:33] <fetus> not to mention all around the world
[12:33] <Nick> fetus: yeah but the local news often does!
[12:33] <fetus> yes
[12:33] <Nick> here especially
[12:33] <fetus> cbc is good.
[12:33] <fetus> better
[12:33] <IaNZ> nope...
[12:34] <Nick> or atleast, for a little while
[12:34] <Nick> (muhahaha)
[12:37] <IaNZ> Reading "Starseed Transmissions"  Carey, Ken.... between the lines,, a poleshift 4D message? Anyone agree?
[12:37] <fetus> ianz...link?
[12:37] <QueenVee> the mainstream American news is MIND BOGGLING -- my mother and i watch the US news sometimes and just GUFFAW....
[12:38] <IaNZ> on't know.. it's a series of books from 1980s.. may have a website these days..
[12:39] <Nick> QV: how is the news different in Canada
[12:39] <QueenVee> um.... it's accurate...?
[12:39] <QueenVee> no, seriously.....
[12:39] <QueenVee> it incorporates a wider range of perspectives
[12:39] <IaNZ> Talks about major change.. few survivors.. in a generation from 1982..
[12:40] <Nick> QV: thats great. This land is my land...this land is your land...from
[12:40] <QueenVee> and does not make the kind of cultural assumptions that American media seem to
[12:40] <QueenVee> simply because we don't share those cultural assumptions
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[12:41] <Nick> QV: could one pick up Canada stations with satellite TV?
[12:41] <QueenVee> Nick: i have no idea, sorry
[12:41] <IaNZ> But very cryptic.. as the Zetas say some messages are.
[12:41] <QueenVee> the border states can get the Canadian channels
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[12:43] <QueenVee> Nick: i lived in the US (Seattle) for almost a year once, and you guys don't realize to what extent everything in American culture, media, society, etc. makes the unquestioned assumption that the US is the centre of the universe.....
[12:44] <QueenVee> other countries don't share that assumption
[12:44] <QueenVee> that's not directed at you PERSONALLY
[12:44] <Nick> QV: i understand
[12:45] <IaNZ> I think thats common Queen, in NZ the news is often very local, it's a natural bias.
[12:45] <QueenVee> i felt like i was cut off from the rest of the world when i was there.... in canada we have ready access to a wide variety of media sources, Canadian, british, American..... but in the US there is only the American media
[12:46] <QueenVee> IaNZ: no, i've also lived in europe, and it that kind of cultural myopeia does not exist to the same degree
[12:46] <Nick> do you believe this! whats her face on cnn is blaming all the U.S's problms on Clinton!
[12:46] <QueenVee> but i can't comment on New Zealand, never been there
[12:46] <QueenVee> yeah, i believe it
[12:47] <IaNZ> Probably.. we are insular in more ways than one!
[12:50] <QueenVee> IanNZ: i understnad that New Zealanders sometimes feel the same kind of resentment towards Australia that Canadians do about the US....
[12:51] <IaNZ>  On more practical matters.. I am fixing up a little sailboat/rowboat to go fishing post PS.
[12:51] <Nick> its kinda like blaming teen violence on video games
[12:52] <IaNZ> Yes to your QNZ Aust.. it's a kind of love /hate thing.. and we are the underdog..
[12:53] <QueenVee> well, Canadians are not a passionate people, so they feel never love nor hate.... just a smolering.... resentment.....
[12:53] <QueenVee> hehe
[12:53] <QueenVee> i meant towards the US, not in general
[12:55] <Ogmios> same thing with finland and sweden..finnish think sweden is our big brother
[12:55] <IaNZ> I am married to and American..so am familiar with the situation.  But many Americans are appalled by Bush's behaviour..
[12:55] <QueenVee> IaNZ: my ex-husband is an American
[12:56] <QueenVee> yes, many are appalled, but they are a minority
[12:56] <fetus> many canadians also think bush is in the right.
[12:56] <QueenVee> yes, but they are also a minority
[12:56] <QueenVee> ;-)
[12:57] <Nick> ive always searched for a cure to the common bliss that many people possess -- "oh, the U.S us the BEST country in the world" etc.
[12:57] <IaNZ> But I am a citizen of the world... and don't take these things seriously.  
[12:57] <IaNZ> There is a leak at your end of the boat...too bad for you....
[12:58] <QueenVee> huh, good metaphor
[12:59] <Nick> ive always been made to believe that the U.S shines in gold compared to the rest of the world that barely slides along on their bellies
[12:59] <Nick> of course its bull
[13:00] <IaNZ> Nick..why does 3/4 of the world want to immigrate there then??
[13:01] <Nick> cuz all the hype -- not that we're ALL bad, though
[13:01] <islander> if you live in a "sub-american" lifestyle and wanted to live on "easy street" where would you go?
[13:02] <IaNZ> Economically there are few better places to be... tho that may be about to change???
[13:03] <QueenVee> IaNZ: where do you get that statistic from?
[13:04] <QueenVee> IaNZ: that is a myth -- it is economically good for some
[13:04] <IaNZ> I considered going there..but a poverty stricken farm in NZ seems better right now.
[13:04] <QueenVee> in actual fact, there are many other countries that provide a higher quality of life for a larger majority of their citizens
[13:06] <IaNZ> Thats just a general opinion Queen.  Most NZers would double their incomes if they worked in the USA.  Qualified ones that is..
[13:06] <QueenVee> American cities never make the top ten of the yearly International Mercer Quality of Life survey -- canadian cities have made the top three spots for years
[13:07] <Nick> is anyone watching cnn now?
[13:07] <QueenVee> i can never watch cnn for more than about 2 minutes at a time
[13:07] <IaNZ> YES.. if you consider factors other than income.  The Japanese are wealthy, but live like rabbits.
[13:08] <Nick> its just ambient noise in the house...
[13:08] <Nick> but i can't help but overhear the cloning thing
[13:11] <islander> have to go, stay positive
[13:11] <QueenVee> wowsa: another ZT confirmation it would seem, on the subject of AIDS: http://www.boydgraves.com/news/112802.html
[13:11] <QueenVee> bye islander, good talking to you
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[13:12] <Nick> cnn wants you the believe that cloning is the devil.
[13:12] <Nick> CNN is the devil!
[13:12] <IaNZ> BTY Queen, these ,.PS,discussions. are so much more useful than the other' bunfights'  .. such a good idea to restrict the topic.  And so great of Nancy to do them.
[13:12] <QueenVee> Guest: please change your nickname to something other than Guest or the system will automatically disconnect you
[13:12] <QueenVee> just type the following: /nick newname
[13:13] <QueenVee> Guest: or you can leave and come back on with a different nickname
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[13:13] <QueenVee> thank you
[13:13] <QueenVee> hello bo -- what brings you to this room?
[13:14] <_bo> just cheking out
[13:14] <QueenVee> IaNZ: well, there is a wide range of choices for people now....
[13:14] <QueenVee> bo: how long have you been aware of zetatalk and the poleshift
[13:15] <_bo> a couple of years  now
[13:15] <QueenVee> IaNZ: the debates about the validity of ZT just get SO old....
[13:15] <Nick> theantidrug.com they exploit current events WAY too much.
[13:15] <QueenVee> bo: what part of the world do you live in? have you started to prepare for the poleshift yet?
[13:16] <_bo> we live in the ny,nj,penn area
[13:16] <QueenVee> mmm, that's a wide area -- are you in a safe portion of it?
[13:17] <_bo> gotta go
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[13:17] <QueenVee> lol
[13:17] <QueenVee> sure scared him off
[13:18] <Nick> lol - "oh, and you phone, social security, address..."
[13:19] <QueenVee> i'm amazed at how many people go to chat rooms for the express purpose of NOT CHATTING
[13:20] <IaNZ>  What about you Queen.. are you snowed in??
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[13:21] <QueenVee> snowed in? no, not at all....
[13:21] <QueenVee> we weren't hit by that storm front
[13:21] <Wee> Hi, first timer
[13:21] <QueenVee> hello Wee, welcome
[13:21] <QueenVee> what brings you to this room, Wee?
[13:21] <Wee> Hello QueenVee, have enjoyed your poleshift prep talks with Nancy
[13:21] <QueenVee> good stuff
[13:21] <Wee> Up until now I have only been reading the logs.
[13:22] <IaNZ> Hi Wee.. missed you from WAGD..refuge55...what happened to Sirgrim????
[13:22] <Nick> Bush is worried about Iraq when we haven't even found weapons there; while we can proove that North Korea is up to something!
[13:22] <Wee> No idea.
[13:22] <QueenVee> Nick: it doesn't take a genius, does it?
[13:22] <Wee> Bush has a one brain cell mind.
[13:22] <IaNZ> He died early I guess.
[13:23] <juditness> and that's concentrating on his cowfarm in texas.
[13:23] <juditness> :/
[13:23] <Wee> You think Bush is dead?
[13:23] <QueenVee> hey, where'd he get a brain cell? must have bought it....
[13:23] <Nick> QV: its just outstanding in my mind; a good icebreaker for discussion with close-minded's
[13:23] <QueenVee> nah, he's too cheap to have bought it, probably stole if from somebody
[13:24] <QueenVee> Wee: what part of the world do you live in?
[13:24] <IaNZ> No.. Sirgrim:-)...!
[13:24] <Wee> American Southwest
[13:24] <QueenVee> how long have you been aware of the poleshift and zetatalk?
[13:24] <Wee> 2 years.
[13:24] <QueenVee> are you in a safe area?
[13:25] <Wee> Yes, quite rural and isolated, many national forests and such around here.
[13:25] <QueenVee> not near the coast?
[13:25] <Wee> no
[13:25] <QueenVee> good stuff
[13:25] <Wee> Maybe it'll be coast in 6 months ...
[13:25] <QueenVee> have you started to prepare for the shift yet/
[13:25] <QueenVee> hah, yes, beachfront property
[13:25] <Wee> Absolutely, I'd stack my preparations against anyones!!
[13:26] <Wee> So far unable to get any others to work with except my wife.
[13:26] <QueenVee> I believe you!!!!
[13:26] <Wee> In fact, only 2 or 3 even believe me at all, the others just give me patronizing nods when I bring up the subject.
[13:27] <QueenVee> have you heard about the NETWORK WITH OTHERS section of our website that we are in the process of setting up -- for the purpose of helping poleshift-aware people in the same area to connect with each other....
[13:27] <Wee> Yes, haven't cheked it out yet
[13:27] <Wee> Does anyone know how the Zetas predict the future?
[13:27] <QueenVee> nothing to check out yet, the profiles aren't up there for viewing yet
[13:28] <IaNZ> I'll back Wee, .....is one of the parctical ones, few in number, put me onto KDF filters
[13:28] <Wee> Did you get any?
[13:28] <QueenVee> but i've sent out forms to people on my mailing list, those who would like to post profiles
[13:28] <QueenVee> have gotten a lot of profiles so far, and they will be up within the next week
[13:28] <Wee> Do they just analyze trends or use a crystal ball, have shamanic visions or what?
[13:29] <QueenVee> Wee: they are scientists, primarily use scientific methods, i believe
[13:29] <QueenVee> they're not fortune tellers
[13:29] <Wee> The reason I ask is that while the Z's seem right on as far as PX astronomy, their actual track record is not really as great as Nancy says.
[13:29] <QueenVee> but being in 4th density, they have access to people's thoughts....
[13:29] <Nick> QV: explain that?
[13:30] <Wee> I think they would seem more credible in fact if they didn't try to claim 100% accuracy.
[13:30] <Nick> QV: isn't that the same in all densities?
[13:30] <QueenVee> well, i don't think they claim 100% accuracy; you can quibble all you want about getting the Beatles names wrong, etc, but the track record is impressive nonetheless
[13:30] <Wee> Like back in July, they said the stock market would crash in a matter of "weeks or months" but that was 5 months ago.
[13:30] <QueenVee> Nick: are you capable of telepathy?
[13:31] <Nick> QV: y?
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[13:31] <IaNZ> I agree Wee... but are they your only source of info on ths??
[13:31] <QueenVee> Wee: these matters are in the hands of man, as they have clearly stated. like i said, they are not fortune tellers.
[13:31] <Wee> I personally believe and all but I told several folks about the stock thing and then when it didn't happen, I couldn't get them to listen about PX after that.
[13:31] <QueenVee> QV: no, my point being that it is NOT the same in all densities
[13:32] <Wee> IaNZ, no I read all the weirdness the inet has to offer.
[13:32] <QueenVee> Wee: well, stop putting your emphasis on predictions then
[13:32] <Nick> QV: so you can't read minds of those in a higher density?
[13:32] <QueenVee> put your emphasis on what has convinced YOU
[13:32] <Wee> I have stopped .... now.
[13:32] <QueenVee> Nick: what are you on about?
[13:32] <IaNZ> Plenty of others predicting a stock crash too.
[13:32] <Wee> I'll tell you what convinced me.
[13:32] <QueenVee> the zetas aren't some kind of parlour trick
[13:33] <QueenVee> they make predictions based on a variety of factors..... most pan out.... most don't
[13:33] <Nick> QV: im just a little comfused...I thought telepathy was prevalent equally among the densities, and could transcend
[13:33] <QueenVee> excuse me, most DO....
[13:33] <Wee> We took a Tom Brown, Jr. course 10 years ago and I learned Stalking Wolf's prediction about a "red sky" as the last sign before TEOTWAWKI
[13:34] <QueenVee> Nick: read the section on DENSITIES; it is not readily available to those in 3rd density; those in 4th density have automatic access to it
[13:34] <Wee> When I heard about the red dust of PX I knew it was the real deal because I have always taken most seriosly Native American prophecy.
[13:34] <Wee> My interest in Native America is what brought me first to this area.
[13:35] <QueenVee> Wee: yes, most of us who are convinced have been lookinhg at a wide variety of sources and the correlations between them. unfortunately, for those not familiar with such sources, it is hard to bring them up to our level of understanding -- without some kind of a vulcan mind meld....
[13:35] <Nick> QV: ive read that section more than the others -- but your saying that telepathy is much stronger in higher densities? That i am already aware of.
[13:35] <QueenVee> for most of us this is the culmination of years of study and consideration
[13:35] <Wee> Is this chat usually active all day?
[13:35] <QueenVee> NICK: yes!
[13:36] <QueenVee> Wee: yep
[13:36] <Nick> oh sorry.
[13:36] <Wee> Exactly, and I've been preparing for those ten years.
[13:36] <Wee> I believe in hedging my bets: skills, tools, supplies, in that order
[13:36] <IaNZ> Interesting Wee, I had a personal prophesy.. years ago... but open ended...Zetas bring it together.   But many others too Cayce etc... but Cayce was wrong too..
[13:37] <QueenVee> we we look around in vain for something magical that can quickly impress and convince someone who has NOT been studying and considering the matter -- but there is no such thing....
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[13:37] <Danvaldan> ya hello
[13:37] <QueenVee> hey! Dan! long time no see
[13:37] <QueenVee> happy holidays to you
[13:37] <Danvaldan> ya - new client, so no chatting!
[13:37] <Danvaldan> happ holidays to you too!
[13:38] <QueenVee> all work and no chat makes dan a dull boy
[13:38] <Wee> Today, my wife and I went out to a nearby canyon to test out our new air rifle ... will be very effective for small critters, yet still much quieter than a conventional rifle.
[13:38] <Danvaldan> hahaha
[13:38] <Nick> QV: i am with you 100% on that
[13:38] <Danvaldan> air rifles: Lewis and Clark carried one of those
[13:38] <Danvaldan> GREETINGS EVERYONE
[13:38] <Wee> Yup, and they used to even use them for hunting big game.
[13:39] <QueenVee> Nick: we're going to be getting more and more of those requests in here: Please tell me how i can convince others in my live... but there isn't an easy answer for that....
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[13:39] <Wee> They are actually more accurate than regular rifles.
[13:39] <Wee> No explosion just a whoosh of air.
[13:39] <Danvaldan> I have been looking into slings -
[13:39] <Danvaldan> pretty effective - but takes more practice
[13:39] <Nick> QV: i know, i know.  But it is frustrating! They will just not listen! They would much rather live in peaceful ignorance.
[13:39] <Wee> We also have traditional style bows and arrows and I have practiced with and made atlatls.
[13:40] <Danvaldan> ah -
[13:40] <QueenVee> Nick: well, don't automatically make that judgement. for most it is simply a case of not having studied and considered the material....
[13:41] <Danvaldan> I was really suprised at how far a cheap sling(scrap vinyl and a old piece of rope) can throw a baseball...
[13:41] <QueenVee> cool, wee
[13:41] <Danvaldan> QV: I like your new site.
[13:41] <Nick> QV: well, maybe you should focus on giving them a criteria for WHO to tell, and who is ready to know, not just everyone they care about or know
[13:41] <QueenVee> thanks Dan
[13:42] <Wee> Most useful though are small game traps.
[13:42] <QueenVee> Nick: there is no such criteria!
[13:42] <Wee> I think the sessions with Nancy are better now that Obany is booting all the boneheads right away.
[13:42] <QueenVee> when asked, i do give people advice on HOW to tell people, though
[13:42] <Danvaldan> I need to learn how to fish...
[13:42] <QueenVee> Wee: you have no idea what it took to get him to that point
[13:43] <QueenVee> Nancy had to threaten to hold her sessions only in this channel
[13:43] <Danvaldan> ZT used to have MORE static?
[13:43] <QueenVee> oh, it was TERRIBLE
[13:43] <IaNZ>  I agree Wee, traps are best, but even better is to get to the sea, as the zeta,s say... or hope iy come to you.   Earlier I mentioned my new fishing boat.
[13:43] <Wee> I sent Nancy several letters trying to point out that there is no point in arguing with hecklers, it just encourages them.
[13:43] <Danvaldan> crab trap...
[13:43] <Nick> QV: in criteria i mean: only tell those who can SURVIVE the shift; only tell those who can handle themselves AND the big news; etc.
[13:43] <QueenVee> but things are very good now....so....
[13:44] <QueenVee> QV: well, i'm reluctant to tell people to make those judgements
[13:44] <Wee> As one wag said, at the moment most folks have the daring of a full stomach ... which means they can act all cocky about the future and the reality of PX.
[13:44] <Nick> QV: thats true; they might not understand fully and leave those that would otherwise not cause problems
[13:45] <QueenVee> Nick: no one is going to die in the poleshift that did not agree to die in the poleshift; and no one is going to die simply because they weren't told about it
[13:45] <Danvaldan> I am interested is seeing ZT concerning meditation and mental development - but not sure if that relates to the agenda - which seems to be pretty political?
[13:46] <Danvaldan> also - hard to come up with spicific Q's on this topic.
[13:46] <Wee> I've been trying to follow the Zeta advice to just let folks know that I'm preparing and taking it seriously and then waiting to see if they eventually ask questiions on therir own ... it hasn't done much so far though.
[13:46] <Nick> QV: sorry -- i meant the elderly and crippled and otheres
[13:46] <QueenVee> Danvalden: you can get that kind of a question accepted on the agenda for the session in here, if you can manage to phrase it in such a way as to be relevant to preparation for the poleshift and aftertime
[13:46] <Danvaldan> yeah - I would love some help on  this.
[13:46] <QueenVee> Dan: as nancy has pointed out to me, the process of coming up with the questions is as important as the answers
[13:47] <Wee> IaNZ, what is your latitude going to be after the shift?
[13:47] <QueenVee> that's why we have a two-hours QUESTION PERIOD before the zetatalk sessions
[13:47] <QueenVee> Dan: feel free to throw out a first draft, and we can help you mould it
[13:47] <Wee> Our latitude will change very little, maybe a little south.
[13:47] <Danvaldan> yes - I am interested in if 4th density corresponds to the 'real-time' out-of-body environment
[13:47] <Danvaldan> for starters
[13:47] <Danvaldan> problem is the language barrier -
[13:48] <Danvaldan> every book describes this type of thing differently
[13:48] <Danvaldan> but - this may not matter
[13:48] <IaNZ>  Just above the equator!   I used to live in Samoa.. so I know what thats about, some good, some bad.  Bloody hot!
[13:48] <Danvaldan> - but how does mental development relate to the pole shift?
[13:48] <Wee> Does anyone here have a group of more than 1 or 2 to work with?
[13:48] <QueenVee> Dan: that is addressed in ZT already
[13:48] <Danvaldan> really - ? the 4th v.OBE?
[13:48] <Wee> IaNZ: yikes!
[13:49] <QueenVee> yeah, i'll have a look and try to find it
[13:49] <Danvaldan> I will surf it a minute....
[13:49] <QueenVee> Wee: well, if manage to convince my family members i will
[13:49] <Wee> QV: how do you get a list of commands for this chat room?
[13:49] <QueenVee> Wee: hold on
[13:49] <Nick> Dan: do you mean how the sould transcends all densities? So if then a specific density would not matter
[13:49] <QueenVee> are you connected via the web or mirc, wee?
[13:50] <Wee> web
[13:50] <IaNZ> Wee, the zetas sorta say.. build it and they will come... thats my attitude now.. even my close friends show no interest..
[13:50] <Nick> *soul
[13:50] <Wee> But do we want them to come?
[13:50] <QueenVee> Wee: build it and the people you want will come
[13:50] <QueenVee> they will be attracted to the energy you imbue it with
[13:51] <QueenVee> Wee: basic IRC commands can be found here: http://www.newircusers.com/java/ircmds.html
[13:51] <Wee> thx
[13:51] <Danvaldan> heres the ZT on OBE:
[13:51] <Danvaldan> http://www.zetatalk.com/visitatn/v19.htm
[13:51] <QueenVee> good lad, dan
[13:51] <QueenVee> Dan: does it answer your questions?
[13:51] <IaNZ> Hopefully the right ones will come.  I'm older, have 2 kids in their 20s.  They will come, and be good.  But right now.. just wanna have fun...
[13:51] <Danvaldan> Nick: I mean is the part of us involved in OBE the 4th density part?
[13:52] <Danvaldan> no -
[13:52] <QueenVee> LOOK, GUYS: If you concentrate your mental and emotional energy of how to keep out the bad guys, instead of how to attract the good guys -- that's the reality you will create, bad guys knocking on your door....
[13:52] <Wee> IaNZ, how will you protect your boat during the high winds, richter 9 quakes, etc.
[13:53] <QueenVee> that's the image that you're holding first and foremost in your mind
[13:53] <QueenVee> the bad guys will be attracted to your FEAR
[13:54] <Nick> Dan: no part of our 3rd density physical bodies is in 4th density; but the soul can exist on ALL densities whenever it pleases
[13:54] <IaNZ> Need a bit of luck.. but sitting on a boat trailer.. soft tyres..tied down.. in a valley..
[13:54] <QueenVee> Nick: very well put
[13:54] <Wee> I respect your views QV, but I am a more 3rd density sort of guy, and treat things at that level ... not fear, but honesty, and respect for others, but demanding the same from them or we don't do business.
[13:54] <QueenVee> What did i say that contradicts that?
[13:54] <Danvaldan> In general mental development is good - so of course mental development would be good for the shift...
[13:54] <QueenVee> did i say accept anyone who comes to your door?
[13:55] <Wee> I don't believe that just because I am positive, that only good guys will show up at my door for sure.
[13:55] <Danvaldan> Nick: yes - so then are the Z's non-physical?
[13:55] <Nick> Dan: how do you mean mental development? As in mental preparedness?
[13:55] <QueenVee> Wee: did i say that?
[13:56] <Danvaldan> no - more like spiritual - meditation skills, psychic self defense, dream work, subconsious sourting....
[13:56] <Wee> I think I am a very straight guy, but it hastn't made me immune to the influence of jerks in my life.
[13:56] <IaNZ> Wee, I'm sorta with you.. but you must be open to "the force" with your American Indian experience???
[13:56] <QueenVee> Dan: here's an excersize for you. think of a situation in the aftertime where such skills would make a significant difference....
[13:57] <Nick> Dan: the zetas are just another race, albeit not of this earth.  Also, different densities are very similar, except for small discrepencies in the speed of light, etc.
[13:57] <QueenVee> Wee: you again misinterpret -- but never mind....
[13:57] <Wee> I'm trying QV.
[13:58] <Wee> Don't want to alienate my new friends.
[13:58] <QueenVee> Dan: if you can put it into practical terms.....
[13:58] <Danvaldan> right - of course that would help. So all questions on meditation etc are pertinent?
[13:58] <QueenVee> Wee: no, no, no, that wasn't a rebuke or criticism
[13:58] <Wee> OK
[13:58] <QueenVee> Wee: i was trying to clarify -- i get just as irritated with that new age "think only positive thoughts and only positive things will come to you" baloney....
[13:59] <Wee> Absolutely QV, me too, that's what I thought you were saying, please clarify or not as you wish.
[14:00] <Nick> Dan: were you asking if the zeta's spiritual connections were similar to ours? Because they are the same, if not much stronger.
[14:00] <Danvaldan> example: can you describe the type of mental skills that would help those in the aftertime communicate with STO Zetas, and practices that may aid in this
[14:00] <QueenVee> but mental energy DOES have SOME EFFECT on what we attract to us..... for instance, a wise man once said "you will not bring about peace by hating war; you will bring about peace by loving peace"....
[14:00] <Wee> Agreed QV, thanks for sticking with it and sharing your feelings.
[14:01] <Wee> Peace to you.
[14:01] <QueenVee> :-)
[14:01] <Danvaldan> :)
[14:01] <Wee> Stocks took a bit of a tumble today ... they are getting back into the zone where they collapsed from back in July and October.
[14:02] <IaNZ> Nancy discussed this thing about people arriving at your door.  I read that the zetas suggest that in Australia.. you might shoot them, or you will all starve.  The zetas are nothing if not blunt??  I still have not go my head around it.
[14:02] <QueenVee> dan: sorry, too vague .... give me an example of the specific kind of "mental skills" you are hoping they will talk about
[14:02] <Wee> A good stock crash would be nice for waking some folks up and making them more open to alternative thinking as things get close.
[14:02] <Nick> down 128 points
[14:02] <Nick> on the DOW
[14:03] <Danvaldan> for example telepathy -
[14:03] <Danvaldan> ya?
[14:03] <QueenVee> iaNZ: that summary of what the zetas have said does not accurately sum up all they have said on the subject
[14:03] <IaNZ> Or a couple of good earthquakes???
[14:03] <Wee> Air rifles and bows and arrows against the screaming barbarians ... hmmm ... sometimes retreat is the better part of valor!
[14:03] <QueenVee> Dan: okay,how would you see telepathy being a good skill to have in  the after time.... give me some examples of how it might be applied
[14:04] <Nick> QV: i think the Z's said that the actual value of the dow was around 3000, but that was a couple months ago...i wonder what it is at now?
[14:04] <Nick> 2500?
[14:04] <QueenVee> Nick: i was referring to your comment on shooting people
[14:04] <IaNZ> Thats not a summary..just what they said would happen in some places.. Brisbane and LA.  
[14:04] <Danvaldan> ok - ability to communicate with STO Zetas could help one find STO communities, those in need, ...
[14:04] <Wee> But perhaps no one will find you if you follow my simple rule of the woods: pick a shelter that requires walking through 100 yards or more of dense brush, prickers, etc. and few white men (read "lazy" ) will ever stumble upon you.
[14:05] <QueenVee> it's a simplistic characterization of what they said, and i would advise anyone really interested to read zT a little more thoroughly on that topic
[14:05] <Nick> QV: huh!? are you sure that was me?
[14:05] <QueenVee> Wee: yes, self protection is largely a matter of commonsense
[14:05] <QueenVee> Nick: sorry, i got confused
[14:05] <Wee> Nick: the Dow is at 8303 after today, down about 200 overall for the week.
[14:05] <IaNZ> Wee, thats right.. but post PS do you go out and look for your neighbours, or just leave them to die??
[14:06] <QueenVee> As THE ART OF WAR advises, if you have let things get to the point that you have to go to war, then you have already lost
[14:06] <Nick> QV: when did i say that?
[14:06] <QueenVee> Nick: i said i was confused
[14:06] <Nick> QV: no i know, im just wondering if someone was using my 'Nick'
[14:07] <QueenVee> Nick: NO!
[14:07] <Wee> IaNZ, my point is that I'm talking to folks now, ready to share ideas, materials, etc. If they choose to ignore me or mock me now, why should I worry about them later. Hard love!
[14:07] <QueenVee> Wee: well, it doesn't make sense to risk yourself and your community by expending energy on people who will not help themselves
[14:08] * Nick is now known as Nick-at-Nite
[14:08] <QueenVee> it's a practical issue, not a moral one
[14:08] <Wee> Once I've reestablished myself to survive in the new world, I'll consider going out to look for survivors, but still will do so without giving away my base location.
[14:08] <QueenVee> being STO does not mean being FOOLISH
[14:09] <Wee> Any potential new community members must first be thoroughly screened for STO.
[14:09] <QueenVee> Wee: and how would you do that?   ;-)
[14:09] * Nick-at-Nite is now known as Nick
[14:09] <QueenVee> STS people can be very charming and convincing
[14:09] <Nick> ill seeya all later
[14:09] <Wee> Simple: ask them their favorite color (a la Monty Python)!
[14:10] <Wee> bye
[14:10] <QueenVee> LOL
[14:10] <IaNZ> I follow the thinking.. but it sounds pretty STS to me.  
[14:10] <QueenVee> good one
[14:10] <Nick> seeya
[14:10] <QueenVee> IanNZ: well, it reflects what ZT has described as STO behaviour in the aftertime
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[14:10] <QueenVee> don't argue with us, argue with ZT
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[14:10] <inkpen> hello
[14:10] <QueenVee> hiya inkpen
[14:10] <Wee> If I was STS, I wouldn't be trying to work with others now, to share with them at risk of ridicule.
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[14:11] <Wee> Folks have lessons to learn in life that aren't learned by letting them act like spoiled brats and then bailing them out anyway.
[14:11] <IaNZ> Yes.. but Nancy suggests we should be running around picking up orphans.. post PS.
[14:11] <Danvaldan> if you are hiding in a hole in the aftertime, being able to communicate and find others withould leaving your hole would be helpful yes?
[14:12] <Wee> If I find any orphans in my hunting/gathering rounds, I would be hard pressed to leave them to die.
[14:12] <Wee> My rhetoric is tougher than my heart.
[14:12] <QueenVee> IaNZ: use your head, we're obviously talking about adults... not helpless children
[14:13] <inkpen> the youth are our future, and with reduced fertility we need them to survive
[14:14] <QueenVee> Wee said she would not go out of her way to help those who refused to listen to her to begin with -- obviously she is not referring to children, but adults
[14:14] <inkpen> mmm
[14:14] <QueenVee> adults who have the ability to make decisions for themselves
[14:14] <Wee> Children are very fluid in survival situations due to their lack of conditioning ... one must still act with caution, perhaps sharing food at a remote location for a time, but not actually revealing your base camp until the child proves themelf.
[14:14] <QueenVee> Wee: again, commonsense caution
[14:15] <Wee> I expect as the PS gets closer, a lot will change at the social level and unexpected alliances may spring up.
[14:15] <QueenVee> wow, major quakes in the Sumatera Indonesia area today -- 6.0, 5.9, 5.8....
[14:16] <QueenVee> and with that, i must now take my dog out. be back in a bit.
[14:16] * QueenVee is now known as Queen-away
[14:16] <inkpen> seeyalater
[14:16] <Wee> Jeff Rense mentioned two new volcanoes active in Kamtchatka (Russia) yesterday.
[14:17] <inkpen> theres more volcanoe activity now than ever befor
[14:17] <Queen-away> Wee: yep, reports about that on our website
[14:17] <Wee> Ogmios? As in Dolores Cannon and Nost.?
[14:17] <IaNZ> Wee/Dan are you looking into Ham radio??
[14:18] <Wee> I have several shortwave radios including the Baygen windup and 2 grundigs.
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[14:18] <Wee> Queen-away, how are you able to post when out back with your dog?
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[14:19] <Danvaldan> I have been getting walkie talkis for some reason -
[14:19] <IaNZ> THats not 2 way radio?
[14:19] <Wee> The Baygen is not great reception, but requires no external source of power.
[14:19] <Wee> No, not 2 way.
[14:19] <Danvaldan> the range is short - so not sure why I am collecting.
[14:20] <Wee> collecting?
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[14:20] <Danvaldan> well two sets -
[14:20] <inkpen> hi rthomas
[14:20] <RTHOMAS> Mornin...
[14:20] <IaNZ> Walkie talkie good in a survival situation, but Ham is for long range and international.
[14:20] * fetus is now known as sutef
[14:20] <RTHOMAS> Just sittin at work...
[14:20] <Danvaldan> but theres the power issue -
[14:21] <RTHOMAS> Drinkin a coffee...
[14:21] <Danvaldan> what about telepathy?
[14:21] <Danvaldan> anyone got that?
[14:21] <Wee> I also have some long-term solar rechargeable batteries. Won't be good for a few years, but I think the sun will be back here in about 3 years based on prevailing wind analysis, volcano positions etc.
[14:21] <Wee> Nope
[14:21] <IaNZ> Will all work on 12v and rechargable.  Got to have hydro or wind in the longer term.
[14:22] <inkpen> im sure everyone has some kind of telepathic experiance, perhaps without realizing it, at some point in thier lives
[14:22] <RTHOMAS> Wee - Assuming the panels don't get broken into little bits from the earthquake...
[14:22] <Wee> Plains Indian sign language is good in many situations as no sound, e.g. for hunting, checking out others' camps etc.
[14:22] <Wee> RTHOMAS, all my delicate equipment is caregully plastic crated and bubble wrapped.
[14:23] <Wee> I swing both ways: high tech and low tech.
[14:23] <Danvaldan> I wonder if the STO Zetas could help us develop these passive psychic skills - they may have insight into this kind of 'technology'
[14:23] <inkpen> not likely
[14:23] <Danvaldan> why?
[14:24] <IaNZ> I wonder about solar too.. would work great in the tropics.  But I plan for hydro..have streams and hills around here.
[14:24] <Wee> Dan: Chet Snow's "Mass Dreams of the Future" talks about a group in the aftertimes that specializes in making telepathic contact with other groups.
[14:24] <RTHOMAS> Wee - That's the way to do it...
[14:24] <inkpen> because that would be a form of direct interferance...
[14:24] <Danvaldan> hmm.
[14:24] <inkpen> neet
[14:24] <Danvaldan> wee: kindof a sci-fi idea thing?
[14:25] <Wee> My wife and I are extremely telepathic with one another ... but that's not that unusual for folks that live together and are close.
[14:25] <sutef> found a text copy of The 12th planet if anyone is interested..
[14:25] <Wee> Dan: It's supposed to be based on true visions of the future using future-life hypnosis. It fits the Zeta description of a pole shift eerily well.
[14:26] <sutef> http://www3.telus.net/fetus/Sitchin12th%20Planetv1.rtf
[14:26] <inkpen> kewl
[14:26] <Danvaldan> direct interference: inside info on smallpox is less interference than pointers on meditation?
[14:26] <sutef> im still trying to find the pdf with all the pictures and diagrams
[14:26] <Danvaldan> wee: interesting =-do you have a link?
[14:27] <Wee> Dan: just search on "Chet Snow" or "Mass Dreams of the Future" or for all the details get the book.
[14:27] <IaNZ> Wee, do you know what Snow is thinking now??  I belive he is living in Sedona.
[14:27] <Wee> Yes
[14:27] <inkpen> wee ive seen a tv program on future life progression... almost dead on to what ZT says...even to the hitech groups the life time after
[14:27] <Danvaldan> wee: ok cool
[14:28] <sutef> hope you've saved that file...it will be gone soon
[14:28] <Wee> Interestingly, Snow didn't even realize that he was envisioning a Pole shift in his book, he just thought it was a big quake.
[14:29] <inkpen> mmm good coffee
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[14:30] <inkpen> hi edude
[14:30] <Danvaldan> ok if the 12th planet folks can levitate, cant they form an antigrav shield to cancel the shift effects?
[14:30] <Wee> Snow himself was familiar with Cayce so he believed that the Pole Shift would occur in 1998. But if you add 5 years to all his dates, it's so right on to the Zetas its scary.
[14:30] <edude> hi
[14:31] <Danvaldan> wee: what do you think is up with the 98 prediction?
[14:31] <inkpen> edude:havent seen u befor what brings you to this channel
[14:31] <inkpen> ?
[14:31] <Danvaldan> hi edude
[14:31] <edude> have been here a time or two
[14:31] <Wee> That was Cayce.
[14:31] <inkpen> ok
[14:31] <Wee> Times lines must have shifted since his day.
[14:32] <Danvaldan> yes Cayce 98 - odd that it was off..
[14:33] <Wee> Here's what Snow says: By mid-march 1998 (read 2003), "there have been some volcanoes erupting recently and terrible storms and land sinks that have caused major flooding along the West Coast.
[14:33] <Wee> It's stirred up the atmosphere and caused quite a bit of damage in the whole Pacific O