Session Start: Tue Dec 31 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
[00:00] <inkpen> lol
[00:00] <Ummite> mp@h24-77-63-221.gv.shawcable.net
[00:00] <inkpen> but i still was able to auth befor
[00:00] <Ummite> inkpen@h24-77-63-221.gv.shawcable.net
[00:01] <Ummite> FunkPimp@h24-77-63-221.gv.shawcable.net
[00:01] <Ummite> no it is the same
[00:01] <inkpen> so it should work in thoery right?
[00:01] <Ummite> yes
[00:02] <inkpen> nope
[00:02] <Ummite> how do you ath yourself
[00:02] <Ummite> auth
[00:02] <inkpen> yes
[00:02] <inkpen> i think im being netscreened on x-chat for some reason
[00:02] <penink>  ../msg NickServ AddMask *tempen@*.gv.shawcable.net
[00:02] <penink> <
[00:04] <inkpen> by msging nickserv
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[00:04] <inkpen> errm
[00:05] * ChanServ sets mode: +o penink
[00:05] <Ummite> k
[00:05] * ChanServ sets mode: +o inkpen
[00:05] <inkpen> i was being netscreened
[00:05] <Ummite> what is that
[00:05] * penink has quit IRC
[00:06] <Ummite> you mean that your name have stayed in when you have gone
[00:06] <inkpen> its a precaution...so other users don gain acess to you nick
[00:06] <inkpen> authed nick
[00:08] <inkpen> wow its my b-day now! WHOHOO
[00:08] * Guest86614 has joined #poleshiftdiscussion
[00:08] <inkpen> hi guest
[00:08] <Ummite> happy birthdate
[00:08] <Ummite> to you
[00:08] <inkpen> thnx
[00:09] <Ummite> happy birthdate
[00:09] <Ummite> to you
[00:09] <Ummite> happy birthdate
[00:09] * Guest86614 is now known as ehf
[00:09] <Ummite> happy birthdate
[00:09] <ehf> hi
[00:09] <Ummite> happy birthdate
[00:09] <Ummite> to you
[00:09] <inkpen> lol
[00:09] <Ummite> hehe
[00:09] <ehf> does sirgrim chat here much?
[00:09] <Ummite> why
[00:09] <inkpen> what brings you to this channel ehf?
[00:10] * Looking up ehf user info...
[00:10] <inkpen> !users
[00:10] <ehf> lookin for sirgrim
[00:10] <ehf> !users
[00:10] * ehf was kicked by inkpen (ehf)
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[00:10] <Ummite> you at the wrong place to found him
[00:11] <ehf> ?
[00:11] <ehf> what
[00:11] <inkpen> --> You are now talking on #poleshiftdiscussion
[00:11] <inkpen> --- Topic for #poleshiftdiscussion is Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.
[00:11] <Ummite> lol
[00:12] * ehf was kicked by inkpen (sirgrims not here)
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[00:12] <Ummite> and againm
[00:12] <Ummite> hehe
[00:12] <ehf> well i found irc logs of sirgrim chatting about planetx topics on zetatalk and figured i'd check here as well since the channel is mentioned on the zetatalk site
[00:12] <ehf> god damn
[00:12] <ehf> learn to use the +b feature, it's there for a reason
[00:12] * ehf has left #poleshiftdiscussion
[00:12] <Ummite> lol
[00:12] <inkpen> lol
[00:12] <inkpen> im trying to refrain from banning
[00:13] <Ummite> what did you give hime for reason
[00:13] <inkpen> sirgrims not here
[00:13] <Ummite> yes
[00:13] <Ummite> lol
[00:13] <inkpen> lol
[00:13] <Ummite> can you accept a dcc
[00:14] * Scuba has joined #poleshiftdiscussion
[00:14] <inkpen> besides... i didnt need to ban him he left on his own
[00:14] <inkpen> hia scuba
[00:14] <Ummite> yes
[00:14] <Scuba> hia inkpen
[00:14] <Ummite> hi scuba
[00:15] <Ummite> inkpen what is your age
[00:15] <Scuba> hi, is that u mite?
[00:15] <inkpen> 19 today :)
[00:15] <Ummite> ok
[00:15] <Ummite> from where are you?
[00:15] * Looking up ydgrasil user info...
[00:15] <Scuba> happy b-day inkpen
[00:15] * Looking up tenshu user info...
[00:16] <Scuba> from redding ca.
[00:16] <inkpen> thnx
[00:16] <Scuba> urw
[00:16] <Ummite> i want to register myself but i cant
[00:16] <Scuba> no.ca
[00:16] <Ummite> you are from canada
[00:17] <Scuba> No. Ca.
[00:17] <Ummite> california
[00:17] <Scuba> northern calif.
[00:17] <Ummite> k
[00:17] <Scuba> u?
[00:18] <Ummite> Quebec Canada
[00:18] <inkpen> anouther canuk!
[00:18] <Scuba> oui.
[00:18] <Ummite> the town is sept-iles
[00:18] <Ummite> no
[00:18] <Scuba> from the land of zed
[00:18] <Ummite> im not a canuk
[00:19] <Ummite> new zeland
[00:19] <inkpen> je ne parly de francie pas
[00:19] <Scuba> kiwi.
[00:19] <Ummite> lololol
[00:19] <inkpen> o...k
[00:19] <inkpen> lol
[00:19] <Ummite> je ne parle pas francais
[00:19] <inkpen> o
[00:19] <inkpen> lol']
[00:19] <Ummite> hehe
[00:20] * scooby-afk is now known as scooby
[00:20] <inkpen> now i remember!
[00:20] <scooby> hey
[00:20] <inkpen> after the verb
[00:20] <inkpen> hia scooby
[00:20] <scooby> hi inky
[00:20] <inkpen> HELLO
[00:20] <Ummite> je = im    parle =talk  pas =not
[00:21] <Scuba> kiwi's look like gorilla eggs if u put them in an egg carton.lol
[00:21] <inkpen> yep
[00:21] <inkpen> i speak not
[00:21] <Ummite> french
[00:21] <inkpen> heheh
[00:21] <Ummite> lol
[00:21] <inkpen> brb...celebratory smoke
[00:22] <inkpen> time
[00:22] <Ummite> im good at either this 2 language
[00:22] <Ummite> k
[00:22] <Ummite> to write english  but to speak it is another game
[00:23] <Scuba> so u parly-voo franca?
[00:23] <Ummite> lol
[00:23] <Ummite> oui je parle francais
[00:23] <Scuba> lol
[00:23] <Scuba> i have trouble w/english.lol
[00:24] <Ummite> if you want to insulting a french say toi mon cris d'enfant de chienne
[00:24] <Scuba> which means?
[00:24] <Ummite> you ass of son of a dog
[00:24] <Scuba> o i c.
[00:25] <Ummite> lol
[00:25] <Scuba> oui-oui on them 2?
[00:26] <Ummite> ?
[00:26] <Scuba> never mind
[00:26] <Ummite> k
[00:26] <Scuba>  pee
[00:26] <Ummite> too
[00:26] <Scuba> k
[00:27] <Scuba> p-p on them too.
[00:27] <Scuba> lol
[00:27] <Ummite> lol
[00:27] <Ummite> you mean pipi
[00:28] <Scuba> how long have u known about the poleshift?
[00:28] <Scuba> yes
[00:28] <Ummite> since last year
[00:28] <Scuba> r-u prepared?
[00:28] <Ummite> not at all
[00:29] <Scuba> starting?
[00:29] <Ummite> no
[00:29] <Ummite> i want to die
[00:29] <Scuba> any reason?
[00:29] <Scuba> u do
[00:29] <Ummite> chitting world
[00:30] * tied2 has quit IRC ("it's not my fault Honey, I swear I was abducted by Aliens")
[00:30] <Scuba> u ready to reincarnate?
[00:30] <Ummite> no i mean this shit of world
[00:30] <Ummite> yes
[00:31] <Scuba> yes i'm ready 4 change myself,but i have this gut feeling that i'll make it thru the shift.
[00:31] <Ummite> i have some strange dream that say even if im not prepared i will survive
[00:32] <inkpen> back
[00:32] <Ummite> but i want to die
[00:32] * Looking up raincityAFK user info...
[00:32] <Scuba> i have the same feeling, thou i'm trying 2 B somr what prepared 4 the new world
[00:33] <Scuba> wb IP
[00:33] <inkpen> :)
[00:34] <Scuba> ;-} 3
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[00:35] <Scuba> i just went 2 TT chat rm. no1 there
[00:35] <inkpen> HELLO
[00:35] <Ummite> you dont know why i want to die and it is better tou you to not know it
[00:35] * M-AWAY is now known as M
[00:35] <Scuba> ok
[00:36] <Scuba> what's is your age ummite?
[00:37] <Scuba> ok
[00:37] <Ummite> not it is because i dont want to say it because when i say this to someone he cant accept it because i think im a fool but i know that anyone can do it but they dont know how
[00:37] <M>    ~*H A P P Y   N E W     Y E A R !!!!*~
[00:38] <M> hello all
[00:38] <Ummite> hmmmm
[00:38] <inkpen> your not a fool by any means ummite
[00:38] <Ummite> 27
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[00:38] <Scuba> how do you guys do that?
[00:38] <inkpen> HELLO
[00:38] <Scuba> yes
[00:38] <M> heres another
[00:39] <islander> hello again
[00:39] <Ummite> i can sense emotion throughout the eyes i can sense if someone have wrong or good intention and anybody can do it
[00:39] <M>       ~~*     O o      O
[00:40] <Scuba> wb
[00:40] <scooby> i just noticed it's your birthday inkpen...
[00:40] <scooby> or should i say penink!
[00:40] <scooby> happy B-day!
[00:40] <inkpen> lol thnx
[00:41] <islander> no... you should sing along ..  hb2u    hb2u   hb ol inky  hb2u
[00:41] <scooby> hippo birdie, 2 ewes
[00:41] <scooby> hippo birdie, 2 ewes
[00:41] <scooby> hippo birdie, dear inkpen
[00:41] <scooby> hippo birdie, 2ewes
[00:41] <scooby> : )
[00:41] <inkpen> heh
[00:42] <Ummite> lol
[00:42] <M> happy birthday 2 u. happy birthday 2 u, happy birthday dear inky.....happpy birthday toooooooooo   youuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!
[00:42] <Scuba> here's 1 of santa's ho's  <;-)=B .
[00:42] <scooby> LOL
[00:42] <inkpen> lol
[00:42] <scooby> she looks good laying down...
[00:42] <Scuba> happy b-day lol
[00:43] <M> she has a righty problem
[00:43] <inkpen> heh
[00:43] <M> r those implants?
[00:44] <M> must b cheap implants.......you can tell u know
[00:44] <Scuba> <:-) 3->
[00:44] <M> lol
[00:44] <Scuba> lol
[00:44] <scooby> ahhh, those are better
[00:44] <inkpen> lol
[00:45] <M> yes alot better very how u say
[00:45] <M> well rounded
[00:45] <Scuba> size 3 implants
[00:45] <scooby> well rounded...
[00:45] <Scuba> roflmao
[00:46] <M> anything less than a handfull is uncivalized
[00:46] <scooby> LOL
[00:46] <Scuba> kinda looks trans-sexualLOL
[00:46] <inkpen> so whos got the implants?
[00:46] <M> or boreing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:47] <scooby> check this one out:
[00:47] <scooby> http://www.lebonze.co.uk/stuff/move.htm
[00:47] <scooby> very cool and funny
[00:47] * Scuba is now known as skubooba
[00:48] <inkpen> lol
[00:48] <M>   <:-)  3- >==3   
[00:48] <inkpen> brb...tidy time
[00:49] * skubooba is now known as Scuba
[00:49] <Scuba> LOL
[00:49] <M> shhhh its dark now
[00:49] * inkpen is now known as inkpentidying
[00:50] <islander> any excitement tonight?
[00:50] <scooby> here's another great one:
[00:50] <scooby> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/games/javascript/sextxt.html
[00:51] <scooby> LOL
[00:51] <scooby> ASCII SEX
[00:51] <islander> that's all
[00:51] <islander> ?
[00:51] <scooby> LOL
[00:51] <scooby> just dumping links...
[00:51] <islander> what?
[00:51] <islander>  no g-line wars?
[00:52] <scooby> it's inkpen's b-day
[00:52] <scooby> but you already heard that
[00:52] <islander> a few times today, but he didn't announce that earlier this morning
[00:53] <islander> and his birthday is today or yesterday?
[00:53] <islander> past midnight in his home town now
[00:54] <scooby> i think its today
[00:54] <Scuba> LOL at albino
[00:54] <scooby> yeah...
[00:54] <scooby> albino funny
[00:55] <Scuba> where do u find that stuff?lol
[00:55] <scooby> i read this guys weblog: WRZL
[00:55] <scooby> http://www.guitarstart.com/weblog/eng/
[00:55] <scooby> he is always posting the funniest stuff
[00:55] <scooby> alot is not exactly, shall we say, work safe
[00:55] <scooby> but it is funny
[00:58] <M> well im out see ya laters every1 and if i dont you all have a very    ~~h a p p y   n e w   y e a r ~~
[00:58] <scooby> later M
[00:58] <islander> bye
[00:58] <scooby> i think they're all reading wrzl's weblog
[00:58] <Scuba> later m
[00:58] <scooby> LOL
[00:59] <islander> total distracted elsewhere scoob
[00:59] <scooby> coo
[00:59] <Scuba> i went there n now i probably have some un known virus
[00:59] <scooby> why do you say that?
[00:59] * M has quit IRC
[00:59] <Scuba> it just kept reloading
[01:00] <scooby> the page?
[01:00] <Scuba> yeah
[01:00] <scooby> each link will open a new page
[01:00] <scooby> it might take a minute to load all the way up
[01:00] <scooby> not sure what the prob is there scuba
[01:01] <Scuba> it would load then reload on n on
[01:01] <Scuba> np
[01:01] <scooby> o well
[01:01] <scooby> what browser?
[01:01] <Scuba> nets
[01:01] <scooby> oic
[01:01] <scooby> haven't tried it in that one personally
[01:02] <Scuba> windows 95
[01:02] <islander> works in latest netscape
[01:03] <Scuba> yes
[01:03] <Scuba> time 4 upgrade
[01:03] <scooby> what version scuba?
[01:03] <scooby> 4.7
[01:03] <scooby> ?
[01:03] <Scuba> 4.5
[01:04] <Scuba> or 4.7
[01:04] <Scuba> it's my mutta's computer
[01:05] <scooby> LOL
[01:05] <scooby> owell
[01:05] <Scuba> she told me 2day that she thinking of getting a new dell or gateway
[01:05] <scooby> ooooo
[01:07] <Scuba> takes 4ever 2 read ur email on this
[01:07] <islander> dial up or high speed?
[01:07] <Scuba> dial up
[01:08] <scooby> test your speed here:
[01:08] <scooby> http://www.numion.com/YourSpeed/Checkup.php?L=hk&Duration=30&Repeat=600&Layout=1
[01:08] <scooby> tells you the real speed of your connection
[01:08] <scooby> might be slow for you scuba...
[01:08] <scooby> : (
[01:10] <Scuba> 1897bps
[01:10] <Scuba> prettyslo
[01:12] <Scuba> 19kps
[01:13] <scooby> yeah ,that is
[01:13] * JurAFK is now known as Jurian
[01:13] <scooby> hello jurian
[01:14] <Jurian> 'lo
[01:14] <Scuba> if i open more than 2 windows things go in reverse
[01:14] <islander> hello j
[01:14] <Scuba> hiJ
[01:14] <scooby> that's win95 for ya
[01:14] <scooby> lol
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[01:14] <Scuba> lol
[01:14] <Gothic_Fantasy01> Hello room.
[01:15] <Scuba> hiG
[01:15] <islander> lello g
[01:15] <Gothic_Fantasy01> How is everyone doing this morning?
[01:15] <Scuba> brb
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[01:16] <scooby> bye
[01:16] <islander> bye
[01:16] <islander> too late
[01:16] <scooby> LOL
[01:17] * inkpentidying is now known as inkpen
[01:17] <islander> i guess we're not fast enough for g
[01:17] <inkpen> hello
[01:17] <islander> hi i
[01:17] <scooby> inkpen...  this toke's for you!
[01:17] <scooby> happy birthday!!!!
[01:18] <inkpen> lol
[01:18] * scooby coughs
[01:18] <inkpen> sweet
[01:18] <scooby> i'm blowing at the monitor, so smell your speakers
[01:18] <scooby> lol
[01:18] <scooby> if this internet thing works....
[01:18] <inkpen> lol
[01:19] <Scuba> whoa g-sh-t
[01:19] <inkpen> who man magic bud :)
[01:19] <Scuba> contact hi
[01:20] <inkpen> <Hot_Bot> You are not being fully recognized by the bot, please enter your password. Type .login <password>
[01:20] <inkpen> ahhh! i have none!
[01:20] <scooby> you dont?
[01:20] <scooby> what about when you authed you nick?
[01:20] <scooby> didnt you have 2 use one then>
[01:20] <scooby> ?
[01:20] * scooby passes the pipe to scuba
[01:21] <scooby> ear
[01:21] <inkpen> yes...
[01:21] <scooby> it no like?
[01:21] <inkpen> no
[01:21] <scooby> hmm....
[01:21] <Scuba> scuba coughs ,turns beet red
[01:21] <scooby> logout/login?
[01:21] <inkpen> tied prolly set one
[01:22] <inkpen> unless...
[01:22] <scooby> scuba: try it like this: /me coughs, turns beet red
[01:22] <inkpen> lol
[01:22] <scooby> inkpen: did you try your cat's name?
[01:22] <scooby> your fish's name>
[01:22] <scooby> your aunt's name?
[01:22] <scooby> CAPS?
[01:22] <inkpen> lol
[01:23] <inkpen> its this damn x-chat
[01:23] <scooby> <=====needs to quit working so much
[01:23] <Scuba> try blowing in2 the monitor again
[01:23] <scooby> OK
[01:24] <scooby> there... did you get that?
[01:24] <inkpen> nope
[01:24] <scooby> that was aimed at scuba
[01:24] <Scuba>  i thought  it might log u in
[01:24] <scooby> lol
[01:24] <inkpen> it is tieds bot...he prolly just set a pass
[01:25] <scooby> ahhh
[01:25] <scooby> hey...  where does one acquire a bot?
[01:25] <Scuba> give it another hit
[01:25] <scooby> that one was for Ralf
[01:26] <Scuba> bot dont respond 2 that ?
[01:26] <inkpen> :( i cant make hot bot talk any more
[01:26] <scooby> :(
[01:26] <scooby> where is hotbot?
[01:26] <inkpen> WAIT!\
[01:26] <inkpen> lol
[01:26] <scooby> oic
[01:27] <Ummite> on #earthchanges
[01:27] <scooby> inkpen: are you using a * ?
[01:27] <scooby> yeah i found it
[01:27] <Scuba> try#ing it
[01:28] <Scuba> then /ing it.
[01:28] <inkpen> no prv msg .say #earthchanges blah!
[01:28] <Scuba> n if that dont work boot it off the table
[01:29] <inkpen> ya
[01:29] <inkpen> it always said i owned that bot for some reason
[01:29] <inkpen> meh
[01:30] <inkpen> ah ha! hot bots no longer an op in my chan any longer :-)
[01:30] <inkpen> thatl teach her
[01:31] <scooby> lol
[01:31] <islander> see you guys in new year....
[01:31] <islander> going now
[01:32] <Scuba> c ya I
[01:32] <Scuba> happy NY
[01:32] <scooby> by scuba
[01:32] <scooby> happy NY!
[01:32] <scooby> i'll be working on the 1st
[01:32] <scooby> :)
[01:32] * islander has quit IRC (when i look south the world turns left)
[01:32] <scooby> triple time!!!!
[01:32] <Scuba> big bucks
[01:33] <scooby> si...
[01:33] <inkpen> lol
[01:34] <Scuba> scooby, u prepared 4 after the shift?
[01:35] <inkpen> <inkpen> *eightball will the poleshift occure?
[01:35] <inkpen> <Hot_Bot> Count on it, inkpen.
[01:35] <scooby> yikes
[01:36] <inkpen> <inkpen> *eightball are you lying?
[01:36] <inkpen> <Hot_Bot> Maybe, inkpen.
[01:36] <inkpen> lol
[01:36] <scooby> lol
[01:36] <Scuba> losy
[01:36] <inkpen> mmm
[01:36] <Scuba> loswt
[01:36] <Scuba> lost
[01:37] <inkpen> <inkpen> *eightball are you a real chick?
[01:37] <inkpen> <Hot_Bot> Of course, inkpen
[01:37] <inkpen> heheh
[01:37] <inkpen> spooky
[01:37] <scooby> lol
[01:37] <Scuba> tired, later my friends c u 2 morrow
[01:37] <scooby> nite scuba
[01:37] <inkpen> seeya scuba
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[02:08] <pibb> wooooooot
[02:08] <pibb> hello?
[02:08] <Utmost> hey
[02:08] <pibb> certainty?
[02:10] <pibb> ok no one talk ok
[02:11] <Utmost> sorry, I'm in the other one
[02:11] <Utmost> talking to some person
[02:11] <pibb> whoa what other one
[02:11] <pibb> the earthchanges one?
[02:12] <Utmost> yeah that one
[02:13] <pibb> dude it wont let me in that one
[02:13] <Utmost> yeah it will
[02:13] <Utmost> #earthchanges
[02:14] <pibb> #earthchanges
[02:14] <pibb> weaaaaaaaak
[02:14] <pibb> it says im banned
[02:17] <pibb> whats the deal yall?
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[02:33] <johnnie5> hi all.
[02:34] <johnnie5> sorry about last time. i wasn't myself.
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[02:59] <obany> hi guest
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[03:00] <obany> hi Billy
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[03:00] <obany> first time in this channel ?
[03:00] <Billy> Yep just dropped in
[03:01] <obany> so you read about the pole shift .. and what do you think about it?
[03:03] <Billy> Ive been browsing ZT looks pretty grim
[03:04] <obany> Yes it will be, so you are going to prepare for the event, for the big change or ?
[03:05] <obany> asking this out of curiousity
[03:05] <Billy> Allready preparing raised in country learned to hunt & fish skills I will probly need soon                     
[03:06] <obany> good to hear that ...
[03:07] <obany> altough huntin will only help for some months, cause of the move of the animals after the shift, but still ... but fishing yes ... fish is a good source of food
[03:08] <Billy> looks like I will have to learn to like eating bugs as well
[03:10] <obany> yes, did you checked the information
[03:10] <obany> ?
[03:10] <obany> there is info about that on the troubled times site
[03:11] <Billy> Ive read all of ZT, check weely for udates,....good job on the chats
[03:12] <obany> you been here also www.zetatalk.com/thub00.htm ?
[03:12] <Billy> sorry slow typer          one finger  two on a good day
[03:12] <obany> okay okay, no problem Billy take your time
[03:15] <obany> this irc channel has a own page too http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/ main page contains links to news etc.
[03:16] <obany> and what is your country of living
[03:16] * obany Netherlands
[03:16] <Billy> Australia
[03:16] <obany> ah
[03:17] <obany> and you checked the safe locations page?
[03:17] <Billy> victoria at the moment, but will be moving well inland before PS
[03:17] <obany> that's better
[03:17] <obany> i also will move ... won't stay in the Netherlands
[03:18] <obany> not safe
[03:19] <Billy> planning to go back to country NSW where I was born
[03:20] <Billy> when I see a large red cross in the sky
[03:21] <obany> that  will be March, well as long as you will still have time to move .. considering it will only get worse before the shift
[03:21] <obany> with the weather, earthquakes ... :/
[03:22] <Billy> Im keeping a close eye on the situation
[03:23] <obany> good to hear that
[03:24] <Billy> nice talking to you obany Im off to enjoy my last New Years Celerbration , will talk to you again
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[05:46] <tex-away> QueenVee: house cleaning this morning
[05:46] <QueenVee> hehe
[05:47] <QueenVee> how are you this morning?
[05:47] <tex-away> this is 2 early mornings in a row for you
[05:47] <QueenVee> yes, my dog's been getting me up
[05:47] <tex-away> i'm good.. about to walk out the door for work
[05:47] <QueenVee> well, have a good day
[05:47] <tex-away> this could become a pattern for him
[05:47] <QueenVee> i hope not
[05:47] <QueenVee> i like my lie-in in the morning
[05:48] <tex-away> daylight hours will be important soon... even if they are dim
[05:48] <QueenVee> true enough
[05:48] <QueenVee> well, i'm a night-owl by nature, but have always been able to adjust to a different schedule if i have to
[05:49] <tex-away> they are inducing the baby this morning
[05:49] <QueenVee> ah....
[05:49] <QueenVee> well, my best wishes for the mommy
[05:49] <QueenVee> and the very special little baby coming into this world
[05:49] <tex-away> ty.. me too
[05:50] <QueenVee> do they know if it's going to be a boy or a girl?
[05:50] <tex-away> boy
[05:50] <tex-away> baby Luke
[05:50] <QueenVee> i like that name
[05:51] <tex-away> i put atomic clock on my machine this morning to keep the time correct
[05:51] <QueenVee> good for you
[05:52] <tex-away> and a spyblocker
[05:52] <QueenVee> we're really nearing the countdown now
[05:52] <QueenVee> to either poleshift or non-poleshift
[05:52] <QueenVee> making plans with my cousin yesterday really brought it all down to earth for me
[05:53] <tex-away> i'm sure it did
[05:53] <QueenVee> we have an odd connection, my cousin and i
[05:53] <tex-away> glad that came together
[05:53] <QueenVee> we are the only two members of our whole extended family to have a university education....
[05:54] <QueenVee> we're very similar in looks and temperament
[05:54] <QueenVee> i know i can count on her 500%
[05:54] <QueenVee> and i can't say that about many people
[05:54] <tex-away> that helps very much
[05:54] <QueenVee> believe it or not, she's actually more kick-ass than i am
[05:54] <QueenVee> hehe
[05:55] <tex-away> dang.. you could be a mean pair
[05:55] <tex-away> j/k
[05:55] <QueenVee> seriously
[05:55] <QueenVee> both been married and divorced twice, no children, love dogs
[05:56] <tex-away> well i should run.. have a great day.. i will check in this afternoon.
[05:56] <QueenVee> okay dokey
[05:57] <tex-away> wonder if many will be around tonight
[05:57] <QueenVee> get out there and earn that bacon
[05:57] <QueenVee> mmmmm
[05:57] <QueenVee> i'll be here to ring in The Year of the Shift
[05:57] <tex-away> time will tell.. i'll be here too
[05:57] <QueenVee> :-)
[05:58] <tex-away> later
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[06:32] <tex-at-work> Dec 31- Showers Surprise Pakistan
[06:32] <tex-at-work> Unusually heavy rain moved across eastern Pakistan Monday afternoon.  Rainfall totals in the city of Jacobabad exceeded 1.35 " nearly fifteen times the normal rainfall for the entire month of December. The heavy rain caused street flooding but no reports of injuries
[06:33] <QueenVee> just read that, tex
[06:33] <tex-at-work> lol
[06:33] <tex-at-work> we are good at that
[06:33] <QueenVee> hehe
[06:34] <tex-at-work> but 15 times the normal monthly amount
[06:34] <QueenVee> yep
[06:35] <QueenVee> check out this article: QUAKES & FLOODS BIGGER KILLERS THAN TERROR IN 2002: http://asia.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=worldnews&StoryID=1976259
[06:36] <QueenVee> they have very effectively got everyone looking in the wrong direction
[06:36] <tex-at-work> i just read that story..
[06:36] <tex-at-work> bastards
[06:37] <QueenVee> scuse me, coffee
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[06:48] <QueenVee> back
[06:48] <tex-at-work> welcome
[06:48] <QueenVee> :-)
[06:49] <QueenVee> i'm not happy about this: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20021209-1357-canada-us-military.html
[06:50] <QueenVee> note, the article says that the agreement "covers a joint response to terrorist attacks on either side of the border, along with military assistance for other emergencies, including NATURAL DISASTERS...."
[06:51] <tex-at-work> what can I say... I'm sorry
[06:52] <QueenVee> hehe
[06:52] <tex-at-work> I would like to be able to say.. we are there to help
[06:53] <QueenVee> yeah, right....
[06:53] <tex-at-work> I WOULD like to be able to say that
[06:54] <QueenVee> well, i take solace in the expectation that the US govt will be having too much trouble controlling their own people at the time, and won't pay us too much mind....
[06:55] <tex-at-work> i'm sure your right on that count
[06:55] <QueenVee> the sight of US military crossing our border would strike terror in my heart, it really would
[06:56] <QueenVee> i have to go to a family function this afternoon, and really don't want to....
[06:57] <tex-at-work> duty calls
[06:57] <QueenVee> yep
[06:58] <QueenVee> means i have to wash my hair
[06:58] <tex-at-work> and it's not even saturday
[06:58] <QueenVee> don't want to frighten my relatives
[06:58] <QueenVee> hehe
[06:59] <QueenVee> "Get her out of her, she's frightening the children...."
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[07:24] <Guest> Hello.  This is my first time here.  I got lost in another room looking for this one.
[07:24] <QueenVee> hello Guest: please change your nickname to something other than Guest or the system will automatically disconnect you
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[07:24] <QueenVee> welcome Bruce
[07:24] <QueenVee> what brings you to this room?
[07:25] <Bruce> Hello.  I have been following the work of Sitchin for a long time.  My background is in agriculture
[07:25] <Bruce> I am aware of the supply and demand situation for food in the US
[07:25] <QueenVee> your background will be useful in the aftertime....  ;-)
[07:25] <Bruce> Most people are not
[07:25] <QueenVee> do tell, bruce
[07:26] <QueenVee> is there a coverup, in your opinion?
[07:26] <Bruce> The statistics are there for anyone to see, but our totally urban society nobody cares
[07:26] <Bruce> about their food supply as long as it's there.
[07:26] <Bruce> I don't think there's a coverup
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[07:26] <QueenVee> right, i undrstand
[07:26] <QueenVee> hello light -- what brings you to this room?
[07:26] <Bruce> Just that people don't care where their food comes from as long as it's there and it's cheap
[07:27] <light332> queenvee, family feelings?
[07:27] <Bruce> But there is a big problem which has to do with the poleshift thing
[07:27] <QueenVee> what part of the US do you live in, bruce?
[07:27] <Bruce> Utah but I've been involved in agriculture in Michigan, NE, OR, CA, TX, ID
[07:27] <light332> bruce, thatsucksiwannagrowmyown
[07:28] <QueenVee> light: are you "Fred" by chance?
[07:28] <Bruce> The problem is that most of the food in the US is grown in a few Midwest states
[07:28] <light332> queenvee, don't think so
[07:28] <QueenVee> what part of the world are you in, light? how long have you been aware of zetatalk and the coming poleshift?
[07:29] <light332> QV, zetatalk: a litlle more then a year, poleshift, my whole life??
[07:29] <QueenVee> Bruce: at what point will it start to affect what is available on store shelves, or food prices?
[07:29] <QueenVee> light, yes, like many
[07:29] <Bruce> It won't do a thing until something happens.
[07:30] <Bruce> People have been very complacent about preparing for it
[07:30] <light332> queenvee, do you know more people from Sweden?
[07:30] <QueenVee> i'm not following you, bruce what is "it" in "it won't do a thing until something happens"?
[07:30] <Bruce> Food prices and what's available on the shelves won't change until something happens to the food producing regions
[07:31] <QueenVee> light: are you in Sweden?
[07:31] <light332> I like your site, is it hard to collect all the news?
[07:31] <QueenVee> but haven't those regions been affected by drought?
[07:31] <Bruce> No
[07:31] <light332> queenie, yeah
[07:31] <Bruce> The droughts have been in every place except where the majority of our food is grown
[07:31] <QueenVee> ah, ok, i see now
[07:32] <QueenVee> light: yes, we have a few swedes who come to this room....
[07:32] <Bruce> The problem is that it takes a few months to grow food commercially
[07:32] <QueenVee> Bruce: you said " there is a big problem which has to do with the poleshift thing".... what do you mean?
[07:32] <Bruce> There will be no time to grow a crop even if you have seed, etc stored up
[07:32] <QueenVee> you mean in the aftertime?
[07:32] <light332> I live very southsouthwest, close to copenhagen, my dreams tell me I will drown here
[07:33] <Bruce> When the aftertime starts, somebody has to grow food
[07:33] <light332> or at least of some overwhelming water event
[07:33] <Bruce> It will take awhile to do that
[07:33] <light332> I collect fruit seeds, as a kid I always dreamed of growing and picking tropical fruits!
[07:34] <light332> *always* is sometimes
[07:34] <QueenVee> Bruce: well, the bigger problem is that there will not be the necessary sunlight for a number of years after the shift, due to volcanic gloom
[07:34] <Bruce> True
[07:34] <Bruce> But artificial light could be available
[07:34] <light332> mushrooms may be plenty
[07:35] <QueenVee> light: ZT predicts that Sweden is a relatively safe place, many europeans are relocating there: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx025.htm
[07:35] <QueenVee> Bruce: only if there is power
[07:35] <QueenVee> and power in the aftertime will be problematic, depending on your area
[07:35] <light332> queenvee, yeah it seems so, but where I live now is like only some meters above sealine.....
[07:35] <Bruce> What about geothermal power?
[07:35] <QueenVee> explain
[07:35] <light332> and maybe 20 miles from a nuclear plant...
[07:35] <QueenVee> light: so you need to move inland...
[07:36] <QueenVee> and away from that plant
[07:36] <light332> and upland
[07:36] <light332> to highland!
[07:36] <QueenVee> what is geothermal power, bruce?
[07:36] <light332> I want to grow cocoa trees
[07:36] <Bruce> It is possible to tap into geothermal water via a well and obtain power that way
[07:37] <Bruce> Geothermal water is where hot water is in the ground due to geologic activity
[07:37] <Bruce> In places its not too far down
[07:37] <QueenVee> doesn't sound too dependable
[07:37] <light332> if there is so much rain, energy from flowing water seem reliable, at least in slopy areas
[07:37] <Bruce> The water temperature in these places stays fairly constant
[07:38] <QueenVee> do you have a link that would explain how it works....?
[07:38] <Bruce> You could use flowing surface water to generate power too
[07:38] <QueenVee> light: yes, hydro-power is a possibility
[07:38] <Bruce> Wind power would work too
[07:38] <QueenVee> and wind power
[07:38] <Bruce> So it looks like power for light to grow the crops won't be a problem then
[07:39] <light332> I will try to buil generators from scratch and from alternators, this seem like a good pre-shift training exercise if one wants to life in an age where there is still electricity
[07:39] <Bruce> The problem will be organizing the food production to meet the demand
[07:39] <QueenVee> i've decided that hydro-power is the best alternative; the problem with wind power is that wind turbines can draw attention to you, and can't be easy transported in the event you have to pick up and leave. however, there are portable hydro-generators available that weight no more than 20 lbs....
[07:40] <Bruce> You have to have the right amount of production to match the mouths you need to feed
[07:40] <Bruce> Geothermal power is underground.  Nobody would know you had it.
[07:40] <light332> bruce, yeah so much scenarios of suffering, how many would die from starving
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[07:40] <QueenVee> Bruce & Light: if you would like to be on my mailing list for announcements about events in this room, additions to our website, etc, just give me your email address on a private channel
[07:41] <QueenVee> hello humvee
[07:41] <Bruce> Most of the people in America will die from starving and rioting
[07:41] <QueenVee> two newbies here today: Bruce is in Utah and has a background in agriculture
[07:41] <QueenVee> Light is in Sweden
[07:41] <QueenVee> HumVee is in hawaii
[07:41] <humvee> goiod morning got up early 2 talk w/ you
[07:41] <QueenVee> lovely
[07:41] <Bruce> The scenario goes like this:  Most of the US food is grown in the states around Iowa
[07:42] <Bruce> Nobody in the US is involved in production agriculture
[07:42] <QueenVee> thanks light!
[07:42] <light332> sure
[07:42] <Bruce> All the people live on the coasts, the food is produced in Iowa
[07:42] <Bruce> If the food were suddenly cut off, the city people (99% of people)
[07:42] <Bruce> would not know what to do.  THey have no time to grow food from scratch
[07:42] <Bruce> even if they had the seed, land, etc to do it, but they don't
[07:42] <QueenVee> Bruce: yes, all of this has been predicted by ZT, and so we are preparing for the worst
[07:43] <Bruce> This is very likely to happen
[07:43] <Bruce> We've turned food production over to 1% of the population
[07:43] <Bruce> Other countries don't produce enough of a surplus to help us
[07:43] <Bruce> And they'll be having problems too
[07:44] <Bruce> Actually, there are very few solutions to this problem, but there are a couple
[07:44] <QueenVee> let's hear em
[07:44] <light332> yeah
[07:44] <Bruce> You don't want to be near a big city, especially one on a coastline
[07:45] <Bruce> Problem is, if you live in the countryside you have to have a way to make a living until the crunch comes
[07:45] <Bruce> In your country place you should have at least six months worth of food because it will take you that long to raise a crop of your own
[07:46] <Bruce> But that would be easy.  6 mo worth of food doesn't take up a lot of space and is currently very inexpensive
[07:46] <QueenVee> Bruce: you need to store more than 6 months worth
[07:47] <Bruce> Not if you have food production facilties in place at the time the disaster happens
[07:47] <QueenVee> it will not be possible to grow much in the way of crops for several years after the shift
[07:47] <QueenVee> NO SUNLIGHT
[07:47] <Bruce> You can indoors.  WE've just told you where to get the power to generate light
[07:47] <Bruce> But you have to have the indoor food production facilities ready before the disaster happens
[07:48] <QueenVee> Bruce: the ability to generate power will not be available to most, and should not be RELIED on
[07:48] <QueenVee> by all means, plan and try for such power
[07:48] <Bruce> Most are not going to make it anyway
[07:48] <QueenVee> but do not rely on it
[07:48] <light332> fishing may be a very reliable source of food
[07:48] <humvee> bruce: growing food will be difficult in most locations due to volcanic gloom afterwards as per site:  www.zetatalk.com/
[07:48] <light332> if you dare to stay close to a coast
[07:49] <QueenVee> there are too many unforseeable variables -- you may have to quickly pick up and move and not be able to take all of your technology with you
[07:49] <Bruce> Light, I agree.  I worked in aquaculture for awhile and know a bit about it.
[07:49] <light332> aha, that too
[07:49] <Bruce> If you have to pick up and take your technology with you then you'll probably die
[07:50] <light332> I read there were some swedish students invited to NASA to see if they could grow fish in space, sadly the fishes they sent up got very confused
[07:50] <QueenVee> what you are saying is feasible if (1) you have the money to invest in the technology; (2) if nothing goes wrong and you don't have to move from your home base where you have your technology set up
[07:50] <Bruce> Being mobile in those days will not be a very good idea
[07:50] <light332> they would use fish for an mars expedition
[07:50] <QueenVee> well, Bruce, i'm not planning to lay down and die
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[07:50] <Bruce> The technology to do what I just said is not complicated or expensive
[07:50] <Ogmios> hi
[07:50] <QueenVee> i will plan for the best, but prepare for the worst
[07:51] <Bruce> You can make it expensive but it doesn't have to be.
[07:51] <QueenVee> Bruce: you have yet to provide us with a link or anything that will explain how that technology works
[07:51] <light332> qeen, what techno?
[07:51] <Ogmios> hehe called to australia earlier..its 2003 there
[07:51] <Bruce> That technology is all around you
[07:51] <light332> og :)
[07:51] <light332> what is their landcode?
[07:52] <Bruce> The problem is if you live off in the country before the disaster happens you have to support yourself in some way
[07:52] <Ogmios> 31 ?
[07:52] <QueenVee> Bruce: please don't come here and tell everyone how easy it is unless you are prepared to contribute something concrete in the way of pointing others to the "easy technology" you are describing
[07:52] <light332> I would certainly bring some physics and chemistry college litterature
[07:52] <Bruce> OK, I will
[07:52] <QueenVee> thank you
[07:52] <QueenVee> hello Ogmios
[07:52] <Ogmios> hi Queen
[07:52] <Bruce> Fish can be raised with a feed to meat conversion of 1:1
[07:52] <QueenVee> Light here is in Sweden; Ogmios is in Finland
[07:52] <Bruce> with cattle, etc. it's way higher than that
[07:52] <light332> moi moi
[07:53] <Ogmios> hej på dig :)
[07:53] <light332> :)
[07:53] <humvee> what food r u going to have available 2 feed ur fish
[07:53] <Bruce> To raise fish indoors, you basically need a big tank.  It could be made of concrete or lined dirt
[07:53] <Bruce> That's pretty cheap to make
[07:53] <light332> humvee, im not sure but I think fish eat almost anything, I guess there would be lotsa insects or worms if its gonna rain that much
[07:54] <light332> and you can eat worms, didn't nancy speak of that??
[07:54] <humvee> in indooe tanks i think not
[07:54] <Ogmios> not going to celebrate this new year, didnt bought fireworks
[07:54] <Bruce> If a disaster happens on the scale you're talking about, there will lots of organic material around to use for fish feed
[07:54] <light332> they are very nutritious, easy to grow...as they eat dead plants and stuff, and they may taste like chicken
[07:54] <humvee> corpus
[07:55] <Bruce> Fish live okay in ordinary streams of water with no outside feed added
[07:55] <Ogmios> worms eat dead corpses..
[07:55] <light332> ogmios, so does all meat eaters...
[07:55] <Ogmios> yea
[07:55] <humvee> should get stared as 4 months 15 days left time is short 4 big projects
[07:56] <Bruce> You may be able to divert some outside water source through your indoor fish tank which will direct nutrients into it
[07:56] <light332> og, are you also vegeterian? :)
[07:56] <Ogmios> not really hehe
[07:56] <Bruce> How long does it take to buy a place in the country and build a concrete tank?
[07:56] <Ogmios> but i dont eat much meat
[07:56] <Bruce> It is possible to store a lot of grain for a long time.
[07:56] <light332> me....i hioe theres lotsa mushrooms or ill have to change diet
[07:57] <Bruce> And you don't have to worry about finding feed for animals or fish
[07:57] <Bruce> I'm not sure if mushrooms will provide enough of a nutrient profile to keep you healthy without supplementation with something else
[07:57] <QueenVee> Bruce: for me it would take years to earn the money to buy a place in the country and build a tank
[07:58] <Ogmios> i have a forest of my own..there was lots of mushrooms and berries
[07:58] <humvee> to go find rent/purchase stock supply procure parts install build fill test etc should take 4 15 days if u start now!
[07:58] <Bruce> Places in the country are very cheap because nobody lives there and nobody can make a living there
[07:58] <light332> queen.....you could perhaps offer your knowledge in place of housing to some people you trust out in the country=
[07:59] <Bruce> That might work if you know someone in the country.
[07:59] <light332> queen, you could take a huge loan..........in Mars.....
[07:59] <humvee> queen i might have a solution 4 ur place in the country
[07:59] <QueenVee> light: well, in fact i already have a place in the country -- my cousin's farm -- i'm just pointing out that not everyone has the same resources....
[07:59] <Bruce> Problem is that only 1% of the population lives in the country so most city people don't even know a farmer
[07:59] <light332> and hope that the poleshift ruins the bank.
[08:00] <Bruce> The poleshitt will definitely ruin the bank
[08:00] <QueenVee> literally
[08:00] <Ogmios> there still is lots of ppl living countryside in finland but of course less and less
[08:01] <Bruce> Afterward there will be no banks, phones, tv, etc. and most of the city populations will die in the first day of the disaster
[08:01] <humvee> Bruce i like ur can do attitude is much better than gloom will b ur best asset if applied
[08:01] <Bruce> Other countries will be much better off than Americans will
[08:02] <Bruce> In countries where there is a large rural population, survival will be a bit easier
[08:02] <QueenVee> check this out: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=86
[08:02] <humvee> no most will survive bruce the real die off will be in the month after from hunger & depression
[08:02] <light332> you can come  to me, in sweden if you want too
[08:02] <Bruce> You're probably right.
[08:02] <QueenVee> yes, as ZT says, undeveloped countries will actually cope better
[08:02] <humvee> ur sweet light
[08:02] <Ogmios> finland has population of 5.2m..still growing some years
[08:03] <Bruce> That's true.  Rural people in underdeveloped countries are already used to surviving in harsh conditions
[08:03] <QueenVee> humvee: where do you get the idea that most will survive? ZT has said that most will die during the shift itself
[08:03] <Bruce> I've worked a lot with rural farmers in Latin America
[08:03] <Bruce> They're pretty tough
[08:04] <Bruce> Totally unlike urban US people.  The polar opposite
[08:04] <QueenVee> in North America most people are in large urban centres, and people will be crushed by falling buildings, exploding gas lines, etc.
[08:04] <Bruce> Absolutely
[08:04] <humvee> zt logic is pretty rite on as: much trouble in coastal area due 2 shift etc.  but the bal of 90% is fm not preperation
[08:05] <Bruce> True
[08:05] <Bruce> The problem is that people are in the cities because that's where the jobs are
[08:05] <QueenVee> well, it's interesting. i find that a lot of north americans who come here really focus on trying to preserve as much of their technology and lifestyle as they can in the aftertime, and you have to remind them that you can't depend on that, that you have to accept NOW that your life will be radically altered...
[08:05] <Bruce> Lots of people would like to go out into the country but they can't  make a modern living there.
[08:06] <Ogmios> same prob in finland
[08:06] <Bruce> If this disaster occurs you can forget most of technology
[08:06] <Bruce> until it can be rebuilt
[08:06] <light332> yes
[08:06] <Bruce> which will take a long, long time
[08:06] <Ogmios> helsinki is very crowded..hardly growing anymore
[08:06] <humvee> in any disaster earthquake etc even combining many will survive only to perrish in the months afterward
[08:06] <Bruce> because most of the scientists will die in the cities
[08:07] <Bruce> And the manufacturing infrastructure will be totally destroyed
[08:07] <light332> if you want science, bring the books
[08:07] <Ogmios> nice pics from sidney fireworks
[08:07] <humvee> lots of scientists live in rural areas as can support themself there
[08:08] <Bruce> You need plants to make the gadgets.  Books won't be enough
[08:08] <Bruce> Are you saying that lots of US scientists live far away from urban centers?
[08:08] <QueenVee> my strong advice is to determine the absolute necessities and what you need to achieve/maintain them in the lowest possible tech terms, in the absolute worst conditions. once you have determined that, then any more advanced technology or unexpectedly good conditions should be seen as icing on the cake
[08:08] <humvee> most tech after that peoplt do use will be simple
[08:08] <QueenVee> i would hate to see people spending limited resources trying to ensure they have a power supply, and not lay up enough food, for instance
[08:09] <light332> bruce, I think there will be lots and lots of old machines left, but of course they may roast quickly
[08:09] <Bruce> In that case QV you need to look to food first because that 's the only thing human beings really need to survive for very long
[08:09] <QueenVee> or not have a low-tech alternative to the power, and be seriously fucked
[08:09] <QueenVee> Bruce: wrong, water first
[08:09] <QueenVee> you can only survive 3 days without water, for at least a month without food
[08:09] <QueenVee> water, food, shelter
[08:09] <Bruce> RIght.  I guess I lump water with food
[08:09] <humvee> nice word
[08:10] <Bruce> Shelter's not as tough as food and water
[08:10] <light332> I don't like having to hamster food
[08:10] <Bruce> ASk the Andean indians
[08:10] <QueenVee> bruce: depends on the climate
[08:11] <Bruce> Some Andean indian farmers I work with live at 13,000 feet.  They take care of food and water first.  Their shelters are rudimentary but adequate
[08:11] <QueenVee> yes, agreed, shelter is not a major challenge
[08:11] <humvee> tents
[08:11] <light332> just bring a litllte plastic blanket
[08:11] <Bruce> Food will be the big challenge
[08:12] <Bruce> But it's one that can be accomplished if you prepare ahead of time
[08:12] <QueenVee> there will be lots in the way of materials to be recycled
[08:12] <Bruce> THe survivors will gradually rebuild a 'normal' life if they can get through the crunch time
[08:13] <Bruce> They'll be able to use all the remains of technology
[08:13] <light332> I talked to an old native woman from sweden, she used to live on plants, the roots from all kinds of plants and inner bark from trees, it may be an important alternative
[08:13] <Bruce> My friends in the Amazon do it every day.
[08:13] <QueenVee> yes, knowing what is edible in nature is invaluable
[08:13] <light332> yes, it may very well be your life saver
[08:14] <QueenVee> skills and knowledge will be very important
[08:14] <light332> you could theoretically live on insects, worms and plants
[08:14] <light332> then you just need a pot and fire
[08:14] <light332> fire may be a problem, with all the rain
[08:14] <Bruce> You can make a pot out of clay and make a fire with sticks
[08:15] <Bruce> There is always dry wood beneath some trees
[08:15] <light332> yeah
[08:16] <Bruce> There'll probably be vast piles of wood from the devastation like what happened around St. Helens
[08:16] <QueenVee> well, this will be unusual, in that there will be YEARS of almost constant drizzle; drying wood will definitely be a challenge -- not insurmountable, but a challenge
[08:16] <light332> many trees in sweden are kind of pines, they cant survive heat, and were goin tropical they say......i really wonder what will happen then
[08:16] <Bruce> There won't be a lot of people left to burn the wood
[08:17] <Bruce> If I had a whole forest to myself, I bet I could find some of it dry enough to burn
[08:17] <light332> happily you can see smoke for miles....
[08:17] <Bruce> Also, there are vast piles of coal all over near power plants you could just pick up and burn
[08:17] <Bruce> Coal will burn if its wet
[08:17] <light332> I wonder if the trees would survive constant rain
[08:18] <Bruce> Probably not
[08:18] <Ogmios> mostly pirches and spruces here
[08:18] <light332> fuck, what will happen to all the species of our rainforests
[08:18] <Bruce> Although in the Olympic Peninsula in Washington its a rain forest and the trees grow to giant sizes
[08:19] <Bruce> The problem will be too much cloud cover keeping out the sunlight.
[08:19] <Bruce> That will kill the trees more than the rain
[08:19] <light332> indian sunk and polar climate around that tropical area.
[08:19] <humvee> has anybody mentioned the 675' rise in sea level next 2 years, this will innendate most low lying resources
[08:19] <Bruce> There is one odd bit of technology that might be handy, though
[08:20] <QueenVee> humvee: yep, taking that into account
[08:20] <Ogmios> finland will sunk and russia too
[08:20] <Bruce> One time I was involved in a project in Minnesota where they were going to raise alfalfa and use the stalks to run a big power plant
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[08:20] <Bruce> It was going to put out enough electricity to power a city of 50,000.
[08:21] <Bruce> They were going to use a process called 'gasification' which isn't really too complicated
[08:21] <Bruce> THere will be so much cellulose lying around that there'd be plenty of fuel for that
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[08:21] <Bruce> I don't think it's very high tech at all
[08:21] <humvee> bruce most power generating facilitys r at lower levels & so will be under water & broken from richter 11 quakes
[08:22] <QueenVee> They were going to use a process called 'gasification' which isn't really too complicated -- can you point us to where we can find out about this uncomplicated process and adapt it to our needs in the aftertime?
[08:22] <Dsarith> Hi all
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[08:22] <QueenVee> hi Dsarith
[08:22] <Bruce> THe power generating equipment was, but if you're just providing power for your greenhouse it wouldn't be too hard
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[08:22] <Bruce> So don't be around the coasts
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[08:23] <Bruce> I certainly wouldn't be on an island or on a coast
[08:23] <humvee> and anywhere increased rains r causing valleys 2 wash out which is where most settle in land
[08:23] <QueenVee> Bruce: you keep telling us how all this stuff would be "easy" but still haven't provided us with any resources on how to do it...
[08:24] <Bruce> You could go up on the Tibetan plateau. How about that.
[08:24] <QueenVee> Bruce: we are all well versed in ZT here, we ALREADY KNOW that we should not be on coasts or islands
[08:24] <humvee> im on a very old island which has survived many pole shifts
[08:24] <Bruce> OK, I'll explain
[08:24] <light332> bruce, such valleyland may bee good place to live, if you build houses on poles and use the flowing water from electricity
[08:24] <light332> to electricity
[08:24] <Bruce> humvee, what altitude are you at?
[08:25] <humvee> group here will be at 3500' asl 4 shift
[08:25] <Bruce> The Andean farmers I deal with live on the hillsides, not in the valleys
[08:25] <humvee> good plan
[08:25] <light332> okay, I meant tha
[08:25] <Bruce> 3500 should be OK
[08:26] <humvee> all roads leading down will become new boat ramps
[08:26] <Bruce> I'll give you specifics since you asked
[08:26] <light332> humveee, are you on hawaii?
[08:26] <humvee> valleys become new harbors
[08:26] <humvee> yes on Kauai
[08:26] <Bruce> Is Hawaii 3500 ft high?
[08:27] <light332> wont it like perhaps explode?
[08:27] <humvee> now hav 2 decide if want 2 b that isolated after
[08:27] <Bruce> You'd be a lone man in the wilderness if you survived
[08:27] <Bruce> I'd favor being in the middle of a big, high land mass somewhere
[08:27] <humvee> no volcano now as island oldest & moved off lava vent 100,000years ago
[08:28] <light332> maybe ets will be allowed to contact us more frequently after the shift, when is that density shift going to occur?
[08:28] <humvee> a thought 2 consider bruce am giving it a lot of thought
[08:28] <Bruce> I'd expect the volcano to reignite given what is supposed to happen to the Earth's crust
[08:28] <light332> it seems like its slowly happening already
[08:29] <Bruce> QV in answer to your question about it being 'easy' with no specifics:
[08:29] <humvee> on the big island of hawaii things r heating up as we speak
[08:29] <Bruce> You have to think rudimentary, not high tech.
[08:29] <humvee> nwo ur getting the idea
[08:30] <Bruce> I've already said that land prices are really cheap in the country far from city centers.  There's no demand for it.
[08:30] <light332> humvee, lava may be good for barbecueing.....
[08:30] <Bruce> You could build a nice place out of plastered hay bales that would be ok.
[08:30] <humvee> if i stay here i will be living like a hawaiian native 200 years ago before contact
[08:30] <QueenVee> Bruce: i'm talking about the technology you mentioned
[08:30] <Bruce> the shelter at your country place doesn't have to cost much.
[08:31] <QueenVee> please don't tell me about shelter and buying land
[08:31] <light332> humvee, what does nancy say about hawaii climate after the shift?
[08:31] <Bruce> Regular old concrete is pretty cheap.  You can build fish tanks and underground shelters with it and it will withstand earthquakes and prairie fires.
[08:31] <QueenVee> Bruce: JUST POINT US TO INFORMATION ON USING THE POWER-GENERATING TECHNOLOGY IN MENTIONED
[08:31] <humvee> doesnt specifically mention hi climate but will look brb
[08:32] <Bruce> Which one?  Gasification, Geothermal, Surface water, wind power?
[08:32] <light332> bruce, yeah im interested in that thermal stuff
[08:32] <QueenVee> the ones i asked you about: GASIFICATION AND GEOTHERMAL
[08:32] <light332> how could you with primitive tools set up such a plant?
[08:33] <Bruce> All around the world there are places where geothermal water is only a few hundred feet below the surface.
[08:33] <QueenVee> you told us that
[08:33] <QueenVee> once you find the water, how do you turn it into power>
[08:33] <Bruce> One of those well drillers that drill for ordinary water can make you a geothermal well for very cheap.
[08:33] <QueenVee> we know how to make  a well
[08:34] <Bruce> As for turning it into power, you have water coming out at a high temperature.  I'm sure there are heat pump type devices that can convert that heat
[08:34] <Bruce> to pressure to power a small turbine or something
[08:34] <QueenVee> where would we find such heat pump devices that can convert the heat?
[08:35] <QueenVee> that's a little vague
[08:35] <Bruce> I haven't looked into it, but I bet if you put 'heat pump' into a search engine you'll get a lot of data on it.
[08:35] <QueenVee> gee, you're so helpful bruce
[08:35] <Bruce> Things that generate electricity aren't that complicated.
[08:35] <QueenVee> so you keep tellin gus
[08:35] <Bruce> If you're generating the power for a city of people it gets complicated
[08:36] <Bruce> but it you're doing it for your family or a small group it's not that complicated
[08:36] <QueenVee> yeah, so you keep telling us
[08:36] <QueenVee> let us know when you find out how to do it
[08:37] <QueenVee> and what kind of tools and equipment will be requird
[08:37] <QueenVee> that would be very helpful
[08:37] <Bruce> The reason nobody does it now is because it take time and effort to figure it out and read up on it
[08:37] <QueenVee> yeah, yourself included
[08:37] <Bruce> As long as the world stays the way it is, there's no reason to explore alternative power sources
[08:37] <Bruce> but if you believe that in a few months the earth will be tipped on its side, maybe that will give
[08:37] * QueenVee hands bruce a soapbox
[08:37] <Bruce> a person incentive to look into this
[08:38] <QueenVee> thanks bruce, we'll look into it
[08:38] <QueenVee> got anything else for us?
[08:38] <Bruce> I have no agenda.
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[08:38] <GilWeinstein> hello
[08:38] <Bruce> It's just stuff I've been looking at over the years
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[08:38] <humvee> bruce i lived next 2 geothermal plant in hawaii had 2 move to another island toxic polution and technology is unbeliveably high tech and cumbersome and almost impossible to keep running as resource is full of silicates and sulfurous acids
[08:38] <QueenVee> Bruce: well, as i say, let us know when you have some concrete information for us
[08:39] <Bruce> In Idaho there are many houses that are heated by geothermal water.  There's no pollution at all.  It's just hot water.
[08:40] <light332> bruce, if you plant to make geothermal or gas plant you could serve us all by making an how-to paper on it, with the basics for any dummie
[08:40] <QueenVee> Bruce: well, as i say, let us know when you have some concrete information for us
[08:40] <Bruce> However, if the water has just gone through a volcano, then it might be a little stinky
[08:41] <Bruce> I haven't thought about it lately, but I would bet that there is a lot of data out there that
[08:41] <QueenVee> Bruce: you're kinda wasting our time here, using this chatroom to ruminate on your theories without providing anything concrete....
[08:41] <Bruce> has been generated by people who advocate going back to the land, etc.
[08:41] <light332> is there any info out there clearly describing how to make a generator and turn it into a watergenerator producing 1kw?
[08:41] <humvee> No mention of climate in HI aftertime however will be on new equator with antartica and mostly ocean
[08:41] <Bruce> There was a magazine called Mother Earth News that had a lot of that sort of thing in  it
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[08:41] <light332> :)
[08:41] <QueenVee> what a blow-hard
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[08:42] <light332> just don't ban the fellow, maybe hes got too much champagne
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[08:42] <humvee> mother earth is still publishing i read it every time i go to boarders books
[08:43] <light332> I perceive he got upset
[08:43] <humvee> ops he is gone
[08:43] <QueenVee> geez, i don't know what i would have done if Bruce hadn't come here to tell me that there's lots of information out there if i just got off my ass to look it up....
[08:43] <humvee> true
[08:43] <light332> sour like a lemon it felt like, I wonder if it was so in reality
[08:44] <humvee> he has a lot of energy and can do attitude i would take him in
[08:45] <humvee> just young & a technophite mind set
[08:45] <light332> I felt like he was 45 and would collapse in the event of crisis
[08:45] <QueenVee> humvee: i wouldn't, he's an all-talk, no action kind of guy
[08:46] <humvee> queen: I have a situation happening re my wife's father  -  yes ur rite
[08:46] <QueenVee> he's an "ideas man" who expects others to take his brilliant ideas and put them into reality
[08:46] <QueenVee> what's that humvee?
[08:47] <humvee> he is not going 2 be allowed to bring his wife & children into US as they r not citizens
[08:47] <light332> humvee? cant they come as tourists?
[08:48] <humvee> no new rules proclude that and if succesful at that 2yrs to go thru visa aps
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[08:49] <QueenVee> humvee: 2 years just to get a travel visa?
[08:49] <Dsarith> 2 years??? Freak!
[08:49] <Dsarith> Why is it so hard to get a travel visa
[08:49] <humvee> do u know anything re rules to visit Canada for vacationing
[08:49] <QueenVee> mmmm, sorry, i don't
[08:49] <light332> maybe they could sign up for a local sports team.....and come in that way?
[08:50] <humvee> because everyone comming from phillipines are suspected of wanting to stay past / emmigrate illeagally
[08:50] <Dsarith> Ohhhh
[08:51] <humvee> not rite ages 4 teams light
[08:51] <light332> ok
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[08:51] <obany> realy shows that it's well the day before newyears day
[08:51] <obany> kinda quiet
[08:52] <humvee> they r wanting to move 2 MN   however I am now thnking maybe canada at first near border farm country
[08:52] <light332> I would maybe send them knowledge and love or maybe go to them, I dunno
[08:52] <obany> little hard to imagine right now that in about 6h6min from now it will be 2003 here
[08:52] <obany> :/
[08:52] <light332> yeah
[08:52] <Dsarith> What is everyones opinion of Colorado? I am thinking about heading that way for the shift. Good idea or Bad Idea
[08:52] <light332> where are you?
[08:53] <light332> obany
[08:53] <obany> Netherlands
[08:53] <light332> Dsarith, I know nothing of colorado and what it will be like, do you?
[08:53] <QueenVee> bad idea because of the US govt
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[08:54] <humvee> father hsa no money problems & is worlds best gardener / low tech hands on guy
[08:54] <light332> obany, sweden
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[08:54] <obany> brb
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[08:54] <Dsarith> QV: What do you know?
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[08:54] <Dsarith> that I dont... lol
[08:54] <Dsarith> Besides alot
[08:54] <humvee> can u explain is it hard 2 visit canada for a short stay at the present time / situation
[08:55] <Dsarith> I wouldnt think its hard to go into canada, getting back may be harder
[08:55] <QueenVee> Dsarth: OOPS, i confused colorado with another state. colorado is good: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx037.htm
[08:55] <QueenVee> humvee: i know nothing about whether it is hard or not
[08:55] <Dsarith> Ok, good. Everything I was reading, it looked to me that Colorado was ok
[08:55] <Dsarith> Just wanted to confirm... Thanks
[08:56] <humvee> oh just wondered - as he is in Minesota now & called yesterday re immagration thing he is US citizen
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[08:58] <Dsarith> A lot has changed, needless to say, but he should be able to visit Canada pretty easily
[08:58] <humvee> It occured 2 me that if he cant bring his familly to the US because of rules he should b able 2 go to some safe location somewhere
[08:59] <Dsarith> Colorado... Everyone go to Colorado :-)
[08:59] <humvee> he can well afford to fly them anywhere in the world if he moves in the next few months
[09:00] <humvee> Dsarith r u in canada or visited there recently
[09:00] <tied2> it's been a few years but in detrouit you can cross the border into canada very easaly
[09:00] <obany> brb
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[09:01] <Dsarith> About a year ago, travelled to Montreal
[09:01] <tied2> it's been a few years but in Detroit you can cross the border into Canada very easily
[09:01] <tied2> thats better lol
[09:01] <Dsarith> Actually summer of 2001
[09:01] <Dsarith> Before it could have gotten tougher
[09:01] <QueenVee> tied2: i doubt that's true now
[09:01] <tied2> we went across and never got out of the car
[09:02] <QueenVee> tied2: depends on how "ethnic" you look....
[09:02] <tied2> well they at least check Id's now
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[09:02] <humvee> yes easy 4 either citizens 2 cross - he must fly to manilla & pick up his family with a visa 2 go somewhere to get exit permission 4 them 2 leave
[09:02] <QueenVee> be back in a bit, gotta do laundry
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[09:03] <obany> mmm
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[09:04] <light332> m
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[09:04] <humvee> the difficulty is getting them out of the phillipines  sounds like he needs 2 talk with canadian re tourist visas
[09:04] <Ogmios> detroit is close to canadian border?
[09:04] <Ogmios> hi obany
[09:05] <tied2> yes you cross from Detroit  into Windsor  Ca.
[09:05] <humvee> good point he can drive down if he can get them that far
[09:05] <Ogmios> ahh obany left
[09:06] <tied2> we were all white boys with Michigan plate also ..they asked why were crossing we said to eat ..as Windsor gets a lot of tourism from Detroit
[09:06] <Dsarith> The other thing is once it becomes apparent that PX is coming, there will probably be serious Choas at the borders
[09:07] <tied2> Windsor = the strip club capital of the world  lol
[09:09] <Ogmios> :)
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[09:11] <tied2> oh yeah this one Canadian girl about 18 y/o had all these Tootsie rolls sowed to her top and for a buck you could chew one off  lmao
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[09:13] <Ogmios> hehe
[09:15] <humvee> there is profit to b made in the Chaos - (operation pettycoat0 the movie
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[09:16] <Guest> Does everyone here think planet X exists?
[09:16] <Guest> I'm new to this concept
[09:16] <humvee> since the prognosis 4 phillipeans being underwater - canada would b an excellent option
[09:16] <Ogmios> well ppl here think its very possible
[09:16] <Ogmios> that px exists
[09:17] <humvee> our group is looking at it and getting pictures fm eastern colorado w/ 10" telescope
[09:17] <tied2> you should read the zetatalk page on factions in Canada
[09:17] <Guest> If we know where planet X is and its trajectory than we should be able to prove or diprove its effect on earths rotation.  We know enough about physics to do that.
[09:18] <humvee> it is obviously not only comming but about 2 arrive 15may2003 4 months fm now!
[09:18] <tied2> yes i think there is good evidence
[09:19] <humvee> not really the physics are many faceted and we only know 1% of the varibles at the present time
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[09:20] <humvee> have u read the information on www.zetatalk.com web site?
[09:20] <Guest> Is it currently visible with a telescope?  If it is.... It should be if it is that close... It is very easy to triangualte distance.
[09:20] <tied2> they can't even predict the weather with accuracy let a lone space ha ha
[09:21] <Guest> Yes if read a good portion of the info on the Zetatalk website.
[09:22] <humvee> go look at the work already done on zetatalk click on planet sightings on the opening page and see the info
[09:22] <Guest> Weather is far more complicated.
[09:22] <Queen-away> Guest: please change your name to something other than Guest
[09:23] * Queen-away is now known as QueenVee
[09:23] <Guest> How do I do that?
[09:23] <humvee> not really estimating the trejectory of an object commint at u is not known to man in this situation
[09:23] <QueenVee> what name do you want to use?
[09:23] <Ogmios> chat /nick drghdghdh
[09:23] <Ogmios> -chat
[09:23] <humvee> use the command /nick space then ur new name
[09:23] <QueenVee> Guest: just type the following:  /nick newname
[09:24] <Ogmios> i'm a bit drunk atm..
[09:24] * Guest is now known as Snafoo972
[09:24] <QueenVee> Guest: please also take note of the notice that greets you when you enter the room:
[09:24] <QueenVee>  'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[09:24] * humvee is now known as hummer
[09:24] <QueenVee> Snafoo: in other words, this is not a chatroom to debate whether the poleshift will happen or not
[09:25] <QueenVee> if you want to do that, please go to #earthchanges or #troubled_times
[09:25] <QueenVee> ok?
[09:26] <QueenVee> mmm, i guess i'll take that as a "no".....
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[09:28] <obany> moment
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[09:33] <Bruce> QV will you give me another chance?  I looked up a few references for you.
[09:33] <QueenVee> sure
[09:33] <Bruce> OK here they are:
[09:33] <Bruce> On gasification: www.gasification.org
[09:33] <obany> i will return in like 10 minuts
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[09:34] <Bruce> www.fao.org/docrep/t0512e/To512e04.htm
[09:34] <Bruce> www.mit.edu/~tprester/Integrated_Biosystems.pdf
[09:34] <tied2> phone
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[09:34] <QueenVee> great. i'll have a look at them....
[09:34] <QueenVee> hi islander
[09:35] <Bruce> On Geothermal electricity generation: geoheat.oil.edu/pdf/powergen.pdf
[09:35] <islander> hello queen
[09:35] <Bruce> On small scale aquaculture: www.aquanet.com/products/aq_prod.htm
[09:35] <Bruce> journeytoforever.org/farm_pond.html
[09:36] <Bruce> those are the first ones I found.  I looked at a rural real estate site and found cheap land out there too.
[09:36] <Bruce> Did light from Sweden leave?
[09:37] <QueenVee> looks that way
[09:38] <Bruce> Hawaiian mountaintop still here?
[09:39] <hummer> gasification library info page has lots of technology industries trends info not any hands only academia
[09:39] <QueenVee> Bruce: mmmm, well, i  don't see anything in the first site (www.gasification.org) of a how-to nature.... it's just a site for companies in the gasificaiton industry
[09:40] <hummer> volcanos here mostly ooze lava at least 4 now & r on big island
[09:40] <Bruce> They use this gasification technology in little villages in India and other developing countries
[09:41] <Bruce> The units are small and rudimentary.  I think there's a picture of one on one of those sites.
[09:41] <Bruce> But I didn't have time to dig deeper the last few minutes.
[09:41] <QueenVee> ah! but the second link DOES have some HOW-TO information
[09:41] <hummer> true bruce geothermal & gasification tech takes equipment not available to the common man after the shift
[09:41] <Bruce> I know someone was powering a car using a gasification deal thirty years ago.  They used on tractors too.
[09:42] <QueenVee> hummer: have a look at this link:  www.mit.edu/~tprester/Integrated_Biosystems.pdf
[09:42] <Bruce> True Hummer.  If you expect to set up your haven after the shift, it'll be difficult
[09:43] <Bruce> The idea is to be prepared beforehand if you can do it cheaply
[09:43] <Bruce> If you expect to walk out of your house the day after the shift and put together your haven it may be pretty difficult
[09:44] <QueenVee> of course, there's one big snag to it all -- the lack of "crop residues"....
[09:45] <Bruce> I haven't thought of it before but off the top of my head I'd think there'd be a lot
[09:45] <Bruce> of crop residues around.
[09:45] <QueenVee> indeed?
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[09:45] <hummer> ok
[09:45] <QueenVee> no sun, no growth, no crop residue
[09:45] <islander> have you pllanned your diet for the first and second year after?
[09:45] <Bruce> When Mt. St. Helens blew up, it leveled a huge area of forest leaving lots of organic residue
[09:45] <QueenVee> hello longint -- what brings you to this room?
[09:46] <Bruce> By the time you get to the first and second year, I would assume you'd have your indoor fish pond
[09:46] <QueenVee> Bruce: well, that will be available temporarily....
[09:46] <Bruce> and hydroponic garden goind
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[09:46] <Bruce> going
[09:46] <QueenVee> so, Bruce: when will you have these systems set up for yourself?
[09:46] <Bruce> powered by your rudimentary power generation source of some kind.
[09:46] <Bruce> Then you generate your own residue.
[09:47] <QueenVee> Bruce: when will you have these systems set up for yourself?
[09:47] <Bruce> Hmm.  Good question.
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[09:48] <Bruce> I'm like most people.  think about it but haven't quite got the incentive to do it
[09:48] <QueenVee> do you have a plan yet?
[09:48] <Bruce> Yes
[09:48] <Bruce> But it will sound complicated and like a soapbox
[09:48] <QueenVee> Bruce: geez, seems to me you were suggesting earlier that a coming poleshift should be enough incentive....
[09:48] <Bruce> That's true
[09:48] <QueenVee> Bruce: little short on practicalities, eh?
[09:49] <QueenVee> you're an "ideas man", aren't you bruce?
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[09:49] <Bruce> Well, I'm currently working on a humanitarian project with some people who live in the mountains of Peru
[09:49] <Bruce> They live at a really basic level.  
[09:49] <Bruce> They even have fish ponds already
[09:50] <QueenVee> mmmm, but they probably still have more resources that we will have after the shift
[09:50] <QueenVee> fish ponds and tanks are a very good idea
[09:50] <QueenVee> very practical
[09:50] <Bruce> It wouldn't be a bad idea for me to be there when the shift happens and just stay with them
[09:50] <QueenVee> that would be a plan, bruce
[09:50] <hummer> got 404 error message said sorry i ate ur web page & it tasted sweet on my tongue!  checked it twice was correct
[09:51] <QueenVee> what do these people in peru use to generate electricity?
[09:51] <Bruce> They don't use electricity currently but they have lots of surface water resources that could be used quickly
[09:52] <Bruce> There are cheap generators you stick in the river and they generate electricity
[09:52] <QueenVee> so after the shift when they no longer have the sunlight to grow crops, you are going to help them to grow crops hydroponically indoors?
[09:53] <Bruce> That would be possible.  Not easy but possible.
[09:53] <QueenVee> i'm assuming they don't have much in the way of food stored away -- are you going to contribute that to the community?
[09:53] <Bruce> Believe it or not, the Incas left these huge manmade grain storage caverns up on the hillsides.
[09:53] <QueenVee> how do you see the community surviving, food-wise, until they are able to grow cops again?
[09:53] <QueenVee> okay, you have storage -- anything in them?
[09:54] <Bruce> If you were to fill them up with grain before the shift it would last a long time
[09:54] <hummer> also there is a note on the hawaii safe location using the coast of Peru as where tidal bore will rise on coast
[09:54] <QueenVee> Bruce: who is going to fill them with grain?
[09:54] <Bruce> These people live at 13,500 feet.  I doubt a tidal wave will get them.
[09:54] <Bruce> I have an oddball way to fill them with grain.
[09:55] <QueenVee> okay, how?
[09:55] <Bruce> Actually two oddball ways.
[09:55] <tied2> ok back
[09:55] <Bruce> One way is to go to some humanitarian organization and make the case that they  should donate
[09:55] <QueenVee> ZT: "during the hour of the shift some of the Earth's atmosphere gets stripped away temporarily, this may be may be increased to the point of suffocation in the high elevations of Peru...."
[09:55] <Bruce> the money it would take to fill them up with grain as a humanitarian gesture for the poor people
[09:56] <hummer> the atmosphere will be stripped away by 50% thoes at that altitude will shurly die - please read zetztalk re atmosphereic changes due
[09:56] <Bruce> I know it sounds odd, but it would probably work in the short term
[09:56] <QueenVee> Bruce: okay, when are you going to start soliciting them for that? how are you going to convince them it is necessary for them to donate a two-year supply of grain beyond the current needs of the community?
[09:56] <Bruce> Before I tell you the second way I'll answer the thing about the atmosphere.
[09:56] <QueenVee> uh huh
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[09:57] <Bruce> Though these people live at high altitudes, the Andes where they are stick up like a knife
[09:57] <Bruce> If you go fifty miles to the east you are down in the Amazon basin which is fairly low.
[09:58] <Bruce> THey could go down there then when it's over go back up to the mountains where their grain is
[09:58] <QueenVee> that's a plan
[09:58] <QueenVee> but there's still that food problem....
[09:58] <Bruce> Well, an odd one, I admit
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[09:58] <QueenVee> you've got a lot to work out yet, Bruce
[09:58] <QueenVee> i'd get started soon
[09:58] <Bruce> There are humanitarian groups out there who are embarassed by the plight of the people down there.
[09:59] <Bruce> THey have more money than they know what to do with and are anxious to show
[09:59] <Bruce> they are helping poor people.
[09:59] <QueenVee> right. well, good luck with that.
[09:59] <tied2> id thew atmosphere problem short or long term?
[09:59] <Bruce> Ok, I said it was an odd idea.
[09:59] <obany> geez
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[09:59] <Bruce> The second way is pretty odd too.
[10:00] <hummer> bruce amazon basin will be flooded so likely if they can get down intime will b stuck inbetween on the sloaps with only what they can carry
[10:00] <QueenVee> well, it's not odd, just not realistic
[10:00] <Bruce> Hummer.  At that point in the basin it's not too low like when you get to Brazil
[10:00] <Bruce> Fifty miles isn't too far.
[10:01] <Bruce> The flood will go East
[10:01] <Bruce> Whichever way east is then
[10:01] <QueenVee> Bruce: There's only 4 months and 2 weeks before the poleshift. At what point are you going to put together a realistic survival plan?
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[10:01] <hummer> read the information on zetatalk it had a comprehensive look at the changes 2 expect then plan a bit & come back to talk to me/us
[10:01] <QueenVee> having problems, obany?
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[10:01] <obany> no no :)
[10:02] <QueenVee> hey DrGreen
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[10:02] <obany> some checking thing not going away or so ...
[10:02] <DRGREEN> hello everybody.
[10:02] <Bruce> I was just throwing out ideas.
[10:02] <QueenVee> been into the green yet today?
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[10:02] <QueenVee> Bruce: yeah, well, we need solutions here
[10:02] <QueenVee> practical solutions
[10:02] <Bruce> Solutions, hmm
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[10:03] <QueenVee> hi nightbird
[10:04] <Bruce> It's true that 4 months doesn't give one much time alright.
[10:04] <Nightbird> Hi Queen.. hi everyone
[10:04] <DRGREEN> hello nightbird.
[10:04] <Dsarith> Hi Nightbird
[10:04] <Nightbird> Has Retculi been in?
[10:05] <Bruce> What are other people doing?
[10:05] <QueenVee> start with the basics, Bruce: read the POLESHIFT section of www.zetatalk.com to get a good grasp of what the aftertime conditions will be, and go from there
[10:05] <QueenVee> start with water, food, then shelter
[10:05] <DRGREEN> Does anyone know if Ummite still visits this channel?
[10:05] <QueenVee> green: oh, yes, he was here yeseterday
[10:05] <DRGREEN> ok
[10:05] <Nightbird> Yes, DR they were onl last night
[10:05] <QueenVee> not seen reticuli today
[10:05] <Bruce> So you store those things somewhere?
[10:05] <QueenVee> what things?
[10:06] <Nightbird> I would like to apologize to him/her.. hope they come in
[10:06] <Bruce> water food and stuff to make shelter from
[10:06] <Nightbird> Bruce, water is the most important
[10:06] <Nightbird> you can only live about 3 days without it
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[10:06] <tied2> In case of suffocation I plane to keep a air tank close by (not oxygen) just compresses air to release in case it's needed
[10:06] <QueenVee> Bruce: well, you can store some water, but the most important thing is to have a water filter and/or distillation method that is not dependent on electricity
[10:06] <Bruce> Correct.  You need food within a few days too
[10:06] <Nightbird> the food and such won't matter if you die of thirst
[10:07] <QueenVee> tied2: excellent idea
[10:07] <QueenVee> You need at least two-years' worth of food
[10:07] <Nightbird> 21 days for food
[10:07] <hummer> Bruce read :  www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx205.htm       (reguarding Peru)
[10:07] <Bruce> There are small hand-held water filters that hikers use that work great, are cheap and produce good voume
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[10:07] <Bruce> volume
[10:07] <Nightbird> better stockpile plenty of filters for it
[10:08] <Nightbird> won't be able to get anymore
[10:08] <QueenVee> re shelter: underground shelters during the shift are out. it is also unrealistic to build any kind of a structure for use after the shift, because it will probably not survive the shift
[10:08] <Bruce> They're cheap too and last a long time
[10:08] <QueenVee> basic shelter would be really good quality tents
[10:08] <QueenVee> until you can build something more solid
[10:08] <tied2> tepees are great because you can cook in them and have a fire INSIDE
[10:09] <Nightbird> or tarps.. will come in handy too.. not the cheap ones.. but like flatbed truckers use
[10:09] <Bruce> That's a plus for the Peruvian highlands
[10:09] <QueenVee> better to have a fire-powered water distiller
[10:09] <Bruce> Has anyone looked at yurts like they use in Mongolia and Tibet?
[10:09] <tied2> yes too costly
[10:09] <QueenVee> Bruce: you also have to have your shelter for the hour of the poleshift itself: a shallow earthtrench with secure metal roof is recommended
[10:09] <DRGREEN> Now that you guys/gals mention it, what is a good way to cleanse water?
[10:10] <tied2> distill it is the only good way
[10:10] <Bruce> Use a hiking filter
[10:10] <QueenVee> green: yes, have a look at the POLESHIFT LINKS section of our website, under FOOD & WATER
[10:10] <QueenVee> Bruce: and what do you do when you run out of filters?
[10:10] <QueenVee> green: the Troubled Times site also has lots of resources
[10:10] <Bruce> You could calculate how long one filter will last and buy enough of them to last for awhile
[10:10] <DRGREEN> will do so QV thx.
[10:10] <Bruce> I don't think they are very expensive
[10:10] <Nightbird> I have read you can use a bucket with gravel, soil and sand to filter water also
[10:11] <hummer> bruce the earth's atmouphere gets srtipped away temporarily to the point of suffocation in high altitudes
[10:11] <Bruce> So you could go to a little lower altitudes until it stabilizes couldn't you?
[10:11] <tied2> use compressed air in a tank for suffocation problems
[10:11] <Bruce> Right.  You could have scuba tanks nearby
[10:12] <Bruce> They're relatively cheap
[10:12] <tied2> no don't use oxygen it's way to dangerous
[10:12] <hummer> ur tribe probably would need 2 be lower on the sloaps and then return but air will stay too thin to breath above about 6000' for years until the atmosphere can rebuild
[10:12] <Bruce> I don't think they use pure oxygen in scuba tanks do they?
[10:12] <Bruce> Mr. Hawaii what do you say?
[10:13] <tied2> Bruce probably not
[10:13] <hummer> bruce u r so theoreticle that u r missing the point there will not b air up at 13,000' ast for years
[10:14] <hummer> it will be like being at 19,000' asl
[10:14] <tied2> hummer are you sure of your time frame?
[10:14] <Bruce> Well, then a good place to go might be in the Amazon Basin past the Andes but before the flats start
[10:15] <DRGREEN> ah thank you more than enough on watercleaning on shift2003.
[10:15] <Bruce> You'd have lots of biomass around to use for fuel and probably sufficient water too.
[10:15] <hummer> temporarily loss during shift but then atmosphere (as per zt) 5000' lower so added altitude then earth must recover 4 years
[10:15] <Bruce> But if the Amazon winds up at the North Pole then you have a different problem
[10:16] <hummer> cold & no air sounds like the place to move to
[10:16] <Bruce> If you end up in a tropical place then shelter should be not much of a problem.  
[10:17] <Bruce> Food will be the big problem
[10:17] <tied2> well I must go see ya all later
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[10:17] <hummer> bruce the buldge off brasil will be the new north pole
[10:17] <Bruce> So Peru will be like MInnesota
[10:18] <Bruce> Well then you'll need a decent shelter
[10:18] <hummer> pretty close nothing will grow if u add the volcanic gloom which will colse in onit - yes
[10:19] <Bruce> Yep.  You'd need indoors hydroponics to do it and an indoor fish pond
[10:19] <Nightbird> Well folks I need to go..will be back later
[10:19] <Nightbird> Love and Light to you, all
[10:19] <islander> keep it simple bruce and consider what natural materials will be in your area after
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[10:19] <Bruce> Bye N
[10:20] <hummer> and a heat scorce to keep ur pond from freezing
[10:20] <islander> and what would be there if there was something like a fire
[10:20] <Bruce> Whatever you use to generate light will be useable for heat too
[10:20] <QueenVee> and a power source for your hydroponics system
[10:20] <obany> brb
[10:20] <QueenVee> yeah, the key phrase being "whatever you use"
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[10:21] <Bruce> There is only a finite number of possible ways to generate that power.
[10:21] <hummer> maybe u could use self priming pumps
[10:21] <Bruce> What's that?
[10:22] <hummer> an intellectualy misdirected way of assuming that technology will save u - are u an engineer like me?
[10:22] <Bruce> No
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[10:22] <Mugada> Happy new year all
[10:22] <QueenVee> hello Mugada
[10:23] <Bruce> Isn't one problem that we've only got 4 months to come up with a survival solution?
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[10:23] <Mugada> 2003 here
[10:23] <hummer> as an engineer we think that tech will do all - but I now asses the simplest of survival plan as best
[10:23] <QueenVee> Mugada: i just inputted your NETWORKING WITH OTHERS page -- they should all be up on the site by tomorrow
[10:23] <obany> here in about 4hand35minuts
[10:23] <hummer> try the kiss method - keep it simple
[10:23] <obany> only the idea :/
[10:23] <Bruce> Especially if you start the aftertime with only the shirt on your back
[10:24] <hummer> with all that is to happen the best plan might not leave u that
[10:24] <Bruce> That's why it may be an idea to look at places on the earth that already have some of the basic necessities there
[10:24] <QueenVee> Isn't one problem that we've only got 4 months to come up with a survival solution? -- un duh. that's what we've been trying to tell ya bruce
[10:24] <hummer> especially if u had 2 pick up and go to a lower altltude in a hurry
[10:24] <QueenVee> Bruce: you need to look at places on earth that will have the most resources to offer after the poleshift, not ones that have resources NOW
[10:25] <Bruce> What band of the earth will be the tropics after the shift occurs?
[10:26] <QueenVee> Bruce: look it up
[10:26] <DRGREEN> well, sweden will be like brazil in the aftertime.
[10:26] <hummer> bruce u can get up to speed fastest by reading the zt site  the scientists who wrote are light years ahead
[10:26] <DRGREEN> do not know about the rest of the world.
[10:26] <DRGREEN> hehe hummer
[10:26] <hummer> (i prefer scientists to the concept of angels)
[10:27] <obany> also like Indonesia or so so pretty warm for what i know off... tropical
[10:27] <obany> take with you your scuba diving gear :P
[10:27] <QueenVee> hummer: you and me both
[10:27] <Bruce> Islands like Indonesia will be inundated at least once
[10:28] <QueenVee> hummer:  i'd hate to preparing only with the help of the Pleidians....
[10:28] <DRGREEN> qv, you have help?
[10:28] <QueenVee> lol
[10:28] <DRGREEN> right
[10:28] <QueenVee> what do you mean?
[10:28] <hummer> bruce stop 4 a minute open a window:zetatalk/safe locations/web format/Peru & Brasil then come back
[10:28] <DRGREEN> nevermind.
[10:29] <hummer> drgreen ur sarchasm is apreciated by all here
[10:29] <DRGREEN> >:o)
[10:30] <QueenVee> hehe
[10:30] <Bruce> OK
[10:30] <hummer> Pleidians  can u give me a link?  only kidding QV
[10:30] <DRGREEN> gotta go get me some greens, maybe I'll be back later. Happy newyear to all.
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[10:32] <QueenVee> hummer: i'm referring to zetas reference to the Pleidians being the "touchy-feely" "greeters" of the universe who like to couch everthing gently and indirectly.... whereas the zetas are hard-nosed scientists who get right to the point....
[10:32] <hummer> I was talking to the Zetas the only scientists that have spent any effort to tell it like it is & therefore will be
[10:32] <obany> hummer?
[10:32] <hummer> true exactly
[10:33] <QueenVee> my cousin asked me yesterday if there was a "spiritual" aspect to the zeta message, and i said, yeah, but it's secondary; their attitude is yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that later, but right now there's a poleshift coming and you people have got to get ready!
[10:33] <hummer> people always talk as to what the conventional scientific wisdom is to counter the exist of px
[10:33] <obany> gee any of you noticed that comment from Michael Cunningam about that pipeline in AFghanistan, seems that guy is realing loosing his grip
[10:33] <QueenVee> if i was dealing with the Pleidians, i'd been screaming at them:  Get to the point, dammit! Just give us a date!
[10:34] <QueenVee> obany: yeah, fer sure
[10:34] <obany> It was a article that was posted on the rense.com site.. but from reuters
[10:35] <hummer> maybee we could get them to move the date up just a little bit
[10:35] <QueenVee> if you read Lysette Larkins book in which she translates communications from the Pleidians, it's all "there are big changes coming, but don't worry, everything will be okay...."
[10:35] <obany> sigh " You're actually pointing to rense.com as a reliable source? That's as
[10:35] <obany> bad as pointing to Zetatalk as proof of science!
[10:35] <obany> Michael"
[10:36] <obany> like silk who thougt/thinks the gypsies are from Hungaria
[10:36] <obany> and they think they are so smart
[10:36] <obany> sigh
[10:36] <QueenVee> brb, laundry
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[10:37] <hummer> I got bruce 2 go look at Peru & Brasil  it is an eye opening couple of paragraphs 4 those there
[10:39] <hummer> I hav 2 go do something practicle now as my day is starting
[10:41] <obany> and we will celebrate newyears eve at a aunt of mine so will go in about 30 minuts ..
[10:42] <obany> and then it will be 2003
[10:42] <obany> THE YEAR
[10:42] <obany> sigh :/
[10:42] <obany> feeling a little down
[10:42] <hummer> by 4 now - can always email  humvee@hawaiian.net  happy new year of the shift enjoy
[10:45] <Bruce> I'm back.  That was interesting reading alright.
[10:45] <Bruce> I'll wait for QV's return before commenting.
[10:46] <islander> ob: don't get down about it, look to it as a challenge
[10:47] <Bruce> Back in 10 m
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[10:50] <Mugada> thanks QV
[10:51] <QueenVee> :-)
[10:51] <QueenVee> i've only got four more to go!
[10:52] <hummer> shud b int as Peru safe loc r an eyeful   --  y house work expands to fill the time available - lo
[10:52] <QueenVee> lol
[10:52] <QueenVee> i have to leave in about an hour to go to a family function.... not looking forward to it
[10:53] <QueenVee> lots of polite chit chat
[10:53] <hummer> do u rag on them rs px  like i do my family & friends?
[10:53] <QueenVee> no, absolutely not
[10:54] <QueenVee> i try to avoid talking about anything of substance with them
[10:54] <hummer> ur a better person than I
[10:54] <QueenVee> lol
[10:54] <QueenVee> well, my mother has been made aware and is open to the idea; and my cousin is totally in the know and onside....
[10:54] <hummer> i let em hav it
[10:55] <QueenVee> we're visiting my uncle and aunt, my cousin's parents.....
[10:55] <QueenVee> and they are religious people who always want things to be "nice"....
[10:55] <QueenVee> they don't like to discuss anything in the least upsetting
[10:55] <hummer> my mom n law is waiting 4 the Catholic church 2 save her fr the oceans waves
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[10:56] <hummer> tells us alot of what the pope says
[10:56] <obany> only 4 hours to go
[10:56] <obany> 2003 :/
[10:56] <Mugada> 6am 2003 here
[10:57] <hummer> eastern time zone then?
[10:57] <QueenVee> hello px -- what brings you to this room?
[10:57] <Mugada> slept through
[10:57] <hummer> 9:02am ere
[10:57] <islander> 13 hrs to go here
[10:57] <px> looking for info
[10:58] <hummer> 14:58hrs & counting
[10:58] <QueenVee> what kind of info, px?
[10:58] <px> Planet X stuff got interested reading Zeta
[10:59] <QueenVee> well, this is a chatroom for people already familiar with the subject, and into serious preparation -- you might want to try #earthchanges
[11:02] <px> Oh Iam familiar with the subject ! I moved to rural Wi. from Chicago because I believed something is going to happen!
[11:02] <hummer> QV:there should be a way 2 get the best of archived material fm this #psd as others r more pro vs con stuff
[11:03] <QueenVee> hummer: not really following you.....
[11:03] <QueenVee> px: so what are you doing to prepare for the shift?
[11:04] <Bruce>  I'm back
[11:04] <px> That's why I'm here
[11:04] <hummer> there is a wealth if info that goes thru #psd a basic archive page would b good 4 info
[11:04] <obany> QueenVee: couldn't find news yet on a English page but there where some evacuations in Belgium
[11:05] <QueenVee> hummer: don't know what you mean by an archive page....
[11:05] <Bruce> Evacuations?
[11:05] <QueenVee> the daily logs?
[11:06] <px> Queen V is the passing still May June?
[11:06] <QueenVee> px: May 15, 2003 -- that has never changed
[11:06] <hummer> a sumery of the best o logs 4 people 2 come up to speed an info resorce page
[11:06] <obany> some 'places' in Belgium (the part called Vlaanderen) where the the Flemish live
[11:07] <px> I have seen articles with as late as July
[11:07] <QueenVee> px: well, that's not the ZetaTalk date, and this is a room about the poleshift as predicted by ZetaTalk
[11:07] <QueenVee> we don't know of anyone with more accurate information than the zetas
[11:08] <QueenVee> hummer: and who would put together such a resource page?
[11:08] <obany> And the Zetas are proven to be accurate
[11:08] <px> Yes but there are other sources .Itry to keep up with them all
[11:08] <QueenVee> good for you
[11:08] <QueenVee> we don't
[11:09] <Dsarith> Other source???
[11:09] <Dsarith> :-)
[11:09] <QueenVee> there are no other sources that have the accuracy record of zetatalk
[11:09] <QueenVee> so what's the point?
[11:10] <Bruce> That site about the countries was interesting.  Sweden and Scandanavia come out OK
[11:10] <QueenVee> parts of sweden and scandanavia -- still have to avoid the lowlands
[11:10] <Bruce> Peru does very well.  It remains tropical and there will be good ocean fishing there
[11:10] <obany> QueenVee: i do ... kinda but it's no zetatalk ...and in Dutch ... ... just from a friend of mine .  
[11:11] <Bruce> It mentioned that the highland regions of Scandanavia would be OK, good weather, access to ocean fishing, etc
[11:12] <Bruce> It said something interesting about Peru.  Can I type it?
[11:12] <QueenVee> sure, if it's not too long
[11:12] <Bruce> It's not
[11:12] <Bruce> "The hardy natives of Peru, left alone in the past by those who would plunder as the land is spare and the living hard, will be survivors"
[11:13] <px> Why didn't the pole shift 3600 yrs ago? Is it passing that much closer this time
[11:13] <QueenVee> yes, i read the Peru section bruce
[11:13] <QueenVee> dunno, px. i'm sure it's in zetatalk
[11:13] <QueenVee> obany?
[11:14] <Bruce> Well, that goes along with what I was saying about Peru being a good place to be if you haven't already prepared a place.
[11:14] <QueenVee> bruce: but you have to take that last sentence in context with the rest of what it says
[11:15] <Bruce> It also said that lands well above the Amazon backwash will find their climate more moderate hardly changing at all from what they experienced in the past
[11:16] <hummer> bruce: did u notice the warning re the atmosphere being srtipped off and thoes at too high altitude soffocating?
[11:16] <QueenVee> well, you still have that little technical problem of what you and your community are going to do for food....
[11:16] <hummer> and air!
[11:17] <Bruce> Yes.  Good point.  But if you got to that highland niche (currently) east of the Andes it wouldn't be too high and it wouldn't be in the Amazon backwash
[11:17] <Bruce> And it only costs $200 to get to Peru from here.
[11:17] <hummer> add 500' to the altitude 4 several months or years
[11:17] <Bruce> Okay, I can live with 500 ft.
[11:18] <QueenVee> well, congratulations, Bruce. sounds like you've got it all figured out. best of luck!
[11:18] <hummer> sorry typo:  5000' higher in effect
[11:18] <Bruce> That's a bit different
[11:19] <px> Thanx for being civil,px out
[11:19] <hummer> rerad the scientific parts of zetatalk explains the mechanism and strip off of atmosphere as px passes
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[11:19] <Bruce> Where would you want to be then, hummer?
[11:20] <QueenVee> hi zetapal
[11:20] <Zetapal> .   ~~*     .o   O
[11:20] <Zetapal> Hi Queen
[11:20] <hummer> not above 5000' i would think as that would be like 5000' now
[11:20] <Bruce> Denver's about 5000 I think
[11:21] <hummer> i think u hav 2 read the safe locations pages to get the idea of just where u want to go
[11:21] <Bruce> Where do you want to go?
[11:21] <obany> hi zetapal and bye i will return when it will be 2003 over here
[11:21] <obany> what a day ...
[11:21] <hummer> yes then add 5000' for atmosphere strip off = 10,000asl after shift
[11:22] <obany> almost 8 years since i first heard about 2003 ... march 1995 ..
[11:22] <obany> sigh
[11:22] <obany> time realy went fast
[11:22] <QueenVee> Bruce: you are in a good place already -- utah
[11:22] <hummer> long time hav u started saving any food yet?
[11:22] <Bruce> Yes.  It seems pretty good.  The site talked about not being able to raise enough food here in the aftertime
[11:22] <QueenVee> stop romanticizing about living among the peruvians, and just start thinking about practical considerations like water, food, and shelter
[11:23] <obany> laters
[11:23] <QueenVee> so what should it be?
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[11:23] <QueenVee> Zetapal: so what should it be?
[11:23] <QueenVee> Bruce: where does it say that? http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx089.htm
[11:24] <Bruce> I think if the chips were down and I hadn't prepared by May, I'd go to a remote ranch in either Wyoming or Idaho that already has food, water, shelter, etc.
[11:25] <Bruce> The flat plains of southern Idaho between the Snake River and the Utah border seems like a good place.
[11:25] <QueenVee> Zetapal: count back from May 15: to the first of May is 2 weeks; to the first of April is 4 weeks; that's six weeks; one more week makes seven. that's the third week of march.
[11:25] <QueenVee> the third week of march is 2 months and three weeks away
[11:26] <QueenVee> BRUCE: LOL!!!!!
[11:26] <QueenVee> Bruce: So your answer is to not solve your  food and water problem, to simply find someone who has already solved it and join them????
[11:27] <Zetapal> ok got it
[11:27] <QueenVee> Zetapal: i'm not calculated June 1st, i'm calculating from May 15th, as per the zetas -- and i've told you how i arrived at my estimation, so you tell me where it's wrong....
[11:28] <Zetapal> right, I see
[11:28] <Bruce> That's one solution, to join someone who is already set up.  Which they are.
[11:28] <QueenVee> Bruce: get out of here
[11:28] <Bruce> OK
[11:28] <QueenVee> when you're ready to start looking seriously at what you have to do, come back
[11:28] <QueenVee> ok?
[11:28] <Bruce> What do I have to do?
[11:28] <QueenVee> bye bruce
[11:29] <Bruce> bye
[11:29] * Bruce was kicked by QueenVee (because you are too annoying for words)
[11:30] <islander> qv: some planning seems a little shallow? ask others?
[11:30] <hummer> have 2 go a great new year of the shift to all bye for now
[11:30] <QueenVee> Zetapal: that guy comes in here earlier going to tell US how EASY it will be to prepare for the poleshift, spouting all this alternative technology theory, and in the end he just plans to sponge off of somebody else
[11:30] <islander> have a good new year hum
[11:30] <QueenVee> islander: sorry, don't follow
[11:31] <hummer> thanks
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[11:31] <Zetapal> I think islander is essentially agreeing with you
[11:31] <QueenVee> right
[11:31] <QueenVee> these spongers are going to be coming out of the wordwork soon
[11:31] <islander> quite a few appearing here that tend not to read, apparent laziness
[11:32] <QueenVee> yeah, their big PLAN is to join a survival community that will look after them
[11:32] <Zetapal> the way i figure, reading is the least you can do
[11:32] <islander> will come to a point that public chat is used for shopping by sts
[11:32] <QueenVee> lol, well put
[11:32] <QueenVee> well, no shopping in my channel
[11:32] <QueenVee> buh bye
[11:32] <QueenVee> cause, like, this ain't the shopping channel
[11:33] <QueenVee> hehe
[11:33] <islander> need to start a deferral site like px for dummies
[11:33] <QueenVee> px for spongers
[11:33] <islander> :)
[11:33] <Zetapal> Queen, you should make them say "thank you, mistress"
[11:34] <islander> we need to make this simple like here is your plan
[11:34] <QueenVee> don't need my ass kissed, thanks very much
[11:34] <QueenVee> just don't want my time wastered
[11:34] <islander> save money, go to nearest store after shift and buy....
[11:34] <QueenVee> lol
[11:35] <QueenVee> save money, and just order in pizza for the rest of your life
[11:35] <Zetapal> survival bob's poleshift sale-abration
[11:35] <QueenVee> well, i have to go to this damned family function now.....
[11:35] <QueenVee> see you guys later to ring in The Year of the Poleshift
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[11:36] <Zetapal> ok bye
[11:36] <islander> happy New YeAr
[11:38] <Zetapal> bbl
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[11:46] <scooby-afk> hi tex
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[11:53] <scooby> looks like all the excitement has passed
[11:53] <scooby> bbl
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[11:56] <DRGREEN> hello all.
[11:56] <DRGREEN> hello hugo.
[11:56] <Hugo> Hello.  I'm new here.
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[11:57] <DRGREEN> you know of zetatalk?
[11:57] <Sano> hi ppl
[11:57] <DRGREEN> hello.
[11:57] <Sano> Happy New Year
[11:57] <DRGREEN> same, thx.
[11:57] <Sano> we have 2003 now :))) 2 hours ago :)))
[11:57] <Hugo> know about 12th planet and of big deal in May 03
[11:57] <Sano> Hugo< im ? yeah
[11:57] <DRGREEN> we still have to wait three.
[11:57] <Sano> i wanna tell u something
[11:57] <DRGREEN> right
[11:58] <Sano> its serious i thing
[11:58] <Sano> its about som e of kind of signs
[11:58] <DRGREEN> tell then.
[11:59] <Sano> listen, my mom made pancakes....
[11:59] <DRGREEN> yeah
[11:59] <Sano> 2 hours ago
[11:59] <Sano> and
[11:59] <Sano> there appear signs
[11:59] <Sano> first pancake was with symbol "85"
[12:00] <Sano> then was with symbol of DRAGON
[12:00] <DRGREEN> so, what does this tell us?
[12:00] <Sano> then was with symbol of GOAT
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[12:02] <DRGREEN> yes
[12:02] <Sano> i dont know what it tell us...i think we must  make up one's mind
[12:02] <Sano> its symbols......serious i think
[12:03] <DRGREEN> so we have 85 dragons and goats...
[12:03] <Sano> i think they will be appear everywhere
[12:03] <DRGREEN> Maybe you should trust your intuition, maybe it's nothing.
[12:04] <Sano> no...i remembered....there were SMILEING SUN....and some
[12:04] <Sano> DRGREEN u think its notjing???!?!?!!? its happens first time not even in my life....but in life of my elder parents
[12:05] <DRGREEN> I do not say it is nothing, but from my viewpoint it could be anything, since I'm not in your situation.
[12:05] <Sano> signs are too clear
[12:06] <DRGREEN> Sometimes I also think thing I encounter are signs of some sort. Who really knows?
[12:06] <DRGREEN> things
[12:07] <Sano> ii will made photos of that signs tomorrow
[12:07] <DRGREEN> But if you receive signs you do not know how to interpretate, what about it? It gets interesting if you knew what they mean. Or is that the reason of telling this?
[12:08] <Sano> i think that signs made some message
[12:08] <DRGREEN> I'm interested.
[12:08] <DRGREEN> I'll surely view your images when they're done.
[12:08] <Sano> hmmm i wanna want to share with u about it....i thought that u knew something abouytit
[12:09] <Sano> ok
[12:09] <DRGREEN> Let me know when done.
[12:09] <Sano> c u later here....ill try
[12:09] <DRGREEN> I'll be here at random almost every day lately.
[12:09] <Sano> :)))
[12:10] <DRGREEN> i'm gone now, :)
[12:10] <Sano> its my favorite foreighn channal....so i will be here soon
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[12:10] <Sano> bye....all the best
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[12:22] <scooby-afk> wow... missed the whole thing
[12:23] <scooby-afk> : (
[12:23] <scooby-afk> 85 goats and dragons, eh?
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[12:31] <scooby> *yawn*
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[13:34] <Wee> I see that things are really hoppin' in here.
[13:34] <Wee> Hard to follow the thread of the conversation with so many postings so fast.
[13:35] <Wee> Guess I'll check back later when things have quieted down.
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[14:58] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> hello
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[15:08] <Lightspeed> Happy New Year from Hungary!!!
[15:09] <zzmike> Happy New Year from Florida.
[15:10] <Lightspeed> We have 2003 here since 11 minutes...
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[15:12] <zzmike> does any one know what the surface temperature of planet x will be when it passed it closest to the sun?
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[15:15] <zzmike> Okay, I guess it will be pretty hot.  I hope they have good air conditioners.
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[15:27] <Lightspeed> Bye!
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[16:27] <obaway> 2003 here
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