Session Start: Sat Jan 04 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
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[00:00] <islander> magnetos: try studying the history of the human culture, might have the same effect on you
[00:01] <Magnetos> lol
[00:01] <inkpen> heheh
[00:01] <Magnetos> Well, I'm not certain that it has as much to do with studying alien cultures alone as it does the combination effect of doing that and simultaneously fine-tuning my psychic skills.
[00:02] <Magnetos> I've been advised against trying to fine-tune psychic skills without professional assistance..and now I understand why.
[00:03] <GalacticExplorer> try to communicate with the being you saw, may be you'll fine tune your psychic abilities and will learn about aliens at one time
[00:04] <Magnetos> Hmm, my telepathy skills are lacking..so that would prove quite difficult.
[00:04] <Magnetos> I had difficulty communicating with you, GE..lol
[00:04] <Magnetos> Even though I believe I could have done 5 times better than what I did that day.
[00:05] <Magnetos> I wasn't in the proper state of mind..it was almost like an off-handed effort..one in which both you and I felt though.
[00:05] <GalacticExplorer> Magnetos I am not an alien. Aliens have great telepathic skills. They, I think, switch your telepathy to the maximum when THEY are talking to you
[00:06] <Magnetos> Excellent point..you're right.
[00:06] <scooby-atwork> GE: what, you're not alien!?!??!
[00:06] <Magnetos> Don't think I'm ready to cross that frontier though.
[00:06] <GalacticExplorer> Magnetos. Yes there was a telepathy
[00:06] <inkpen> GE!
[00:07] <GalacticExplorer> scooby not in this life, no
[00:07] <scooby-atwork> lol
[00:07] <GalacticExplorer> :-) lol
[00:07] <scooby-atwork> maybe next one, eh?
[00:07] <Magnetos> I'm developing my skills..to..become..a galactic diplomat. ;-)
[00:07] <GalacticExplorer> Actually I had dream when I was piloting flying saucer
[00:08] <Magnetos> Galactic, you're telepathic as well though to a great extent.
[00:08] <Magnetos> You were able to sense the low-intensity signal I sent out to you.
[00:08] <scooby-atwork> this one? http://atomickiev.com/galaxy_explorer/alienship.htm
[00:08] <GalacticExplorer> Yes!
[00:08] <scooby-atwork> lol
[00:08] <GalacticExplorer> by the way http://atomickiev.com/galaxy_explorer/ this is my site
[00:09] <Magnetos> Alright, GE, I'll be sure to explore it.
[00:09] <GalacticExplorer> Enjoy!
[00:09] <Magnetos> T/y!
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[00:10] <GalacticExplorer> Scooby we'll see about next life. I have two choices either not live through the shift and see it in my own eyes in one year, or live through shift
[00:11] <Magnetos> GE, I plan on making a visit to the Monroe Institute at least by the summer of this year.
[00:11] <GalacticExplorer> and see it in my own eyes later...
[00:12] <Magnetos> I'd like to complete the gateway voyage.
[00:13] <inkpen> what is the munroe institute?
[00:13] <Magnetos> Well, it's a professional facility that focuses on introducing people to various psychic skills and altered states of consciousness.
[00:13] <scooby-atwork> good site GE!
[00:13] <GalacticExplorer> Thanks scooby :-)
[00:14] <scooby-atwork> do you add links you get in this room
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[00:14] <Magnetos> It's located in my home state of VA.
[00:15] <inkpen> your counterpart has left now scooby
[00:15] <GalacticExplorer> No. I am new to the IRC...
[00:15] <GalacticExplorer> But do keep in mind all interesting links I see
[00:16] <scooby-atwork> inky: yeah.. i know
[00:16] <scooby-atwork> am trying to access remotely
[00:17] <scooby-atwork> : (
[00:17] <Magnetos> Does anyone know how many servers Funnet.org uses?
[00:17] <scooby-atwork> not able to connect right now.... may come back in later
[00:17] <scooby-atwork> Mag: dunno
[00:17] <scooby-atwork> folks.... i am outta here!!!!
[00:17] <Magnetos> Anyone know the name of at least one server?
[00:18] <GalacticExplorer> Ok bye
[00:18] <Magnetos> Good night, scooby.
[00:18] <scooby-atwork> mag: try irc.funnet.org
[00:18] <scooby-atwork> or eu.funnet.org
[00:18] <Magnetos> Besides that one..?
[00:18] <scooby-atwork> those are the only two I know of
[00:18] <Magnetos> Alright, thank you.
[00:18] <scooby-atwork> nite!
[00:18] <inkpen> later
[00:18] <GalacticExplorer> Good night scooby
[00:18] <scooby-atwork> hey, if scooby-afk comes in here later, please be nice to him...
[00:18] <scooby-atwork> :)
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[00:18] <scooby-atwork> be safe y'all
[00:18] <GalacticExplorer> LoL
[00:18] <Magnetos> We'll do our best.
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[00:19] <Magnetos> You do the same.
[00:19] <islander> see you scoob
[00:19] <Magnetos> Night..don't let the Zetans get you in your sleep.
[00:19] <Magnetos> Oops, too late.
[00:19] <islander> how vivid are your dreams?
[00:20] <Magnetos> Mine?
[00:20] <GalacticExplorer> whose?
[00:20] <Magnetos> Almost life-like.
[00:20] <GalacticExplorer> I don't see dreams
[00:20] <GalacticExplorer> may be one or two in several month
[00:21] <Magnetos> I think the vividness of my dreams can be credited to the fact that I'm naturally a visual thinker.
[00:21] <GalacticExplorer> do you have photographic memory?
[00:21] <Magnetos> Hmm, a bit.
[00:22] <islander> maybe, or that the subconcious and concious have a stonger link
[00:22] <islander> stronger
[00:22] <Magnetos> Perhaps, islander.
[00:22] <Magnetos> From my days of being a serious meditator perhaps.
[00:23] <Magnetos> Why do you ask, islander?
[00:24] <Magnetos> So are any of you members of any interest groups?
[00:24] <Magnetos> Just wondering.
[00:24] <GalacticExplorer> no
[00:25] <Magnetos> Oh, I see.
[00:26] <Magnetos> I'm a member of the Chesapeake Bay Foundation.
[00:26] <GalacticExplorer> and I'd really like to pilot real UFO
[00:26] <Magnetos> Environmental protection group.
[00:26] <GalacticExplorer> I remembered my dream
[00:26] <Magnetos> Really?
[00:26] <GalacticExplorer> Oh yes, environment is very important
[00:26] <Magnetos> Tell me about it.
[00:27] <Magnetos> After the pole shift, the next catastrophe will be an environmental one..
[00:27] <islander> how so?
[00:28] <Magnetos> Well, theoretically that is.
[00:28] <GalacticExplorer> I was on a field, and saw black flying saucer it looked like rhombus, I came close and saw an entrance
[00:29] <GalacticExplorer> small stairway lead up in the cockpit, there was one seat, as soon as I sat down, top of the ship became transparent so I could see outside
[00:29] <Magnetos> I've done no research into this claim..but a few centuries from now, there is supposed to be a sharp decline in human population, a considerable loss of biodiversity(which is occuring at this moment), and desertification that leads to massive crop failures and curtailed food production potential.
[00:30] <Magnetos> But the information was recovered using SRV and was confirmed by other sources besides the original.
[00:30] <Magnetos> Basically, the planet will become almost like Mars to a certain extent.
[00:30] <Magnetos> But..will gradually be recovered.
[00:31] <GalacticExplorer> I put my hands on device that looks like plate. One plate per hand and its situated in front of you sort of hanging in the air
[00:31] * Magnetos listens.
[00:31] <GalacticExplorer> Thought about moving up and the ship started to go up
[00:31] <GalacticExplorer> door and legs closed automatically
[00:32] <inkpen> how are you able to remember all this?
[00:32] <GalacticExplorer> then I thought about going straight up ....
[00:32] <GalacticExplorer> dream ends here
[00:32] <inkpen> O
[00:32] <Magnetos> Who, inkpen?
[00:32] <Magnetos> GE?
[00:32] <GalacticExplorer> What?
[00:33] <inkpen> i though GE was discribing some kind of encounter...sorry... im multitasking
[00:33] <Magnetos> No, I was asking if his question was referring to you. lol
[00:33] <Magnetos> It's alright.
[00:33] <islander> :)
[00:33] <GalacticExplorer> It was a dream not encounter
[00:33] <Magnetos> That's interesting stuff, GE.
[00:34] <GalacticExplorer> yeah that's interesting. I wish I had this ship in my garage
[00:34] <GalacticExplorer> No traffic, get wherever you want fast
[00:34] <Magnetos> lol
[00:34] <Magnetos> Almost immediately.
[00:35] <GalacticExplorer> yep
[00:35] <Magnetos> If you're late for work, you could always manage to change that to arriving early..lol
[00:35] <Elurion> Your dream sounds exactly like the encounter story of Travis Walton.
[00:35] <Magnetos> Really?
[00:35] <GalacticExplorer> Never heard of him, does he have a book.
[00:36] <Magnetos> Yeah, I think it's called fire in the sky.
[00:36] <Elurion> The movie "Fire in the Sky" was made about him.  He and several friends all passed lie detector tests after telling their story.
[00:36] <Magnetos> That's creepy.
[00:37] <GalacticExplorer> Magnetos this IS creepy!
[00:37] <Elurion> He was abducted in the woods...several friends saw it happen...he later woke up in a space ship, and I think he fought off several beings and tried to escape, made his way to a room like you described, sat down and had control of the ship (transparent ceiling) and it moved how he thought.
[00:37] <Magnetos> Really?
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[00:37] <GalacticExplorer> Oh no they got him!!!!!
[00:37] <Magnetos> Way to go, Travis!
[00:37] <Magnetos> He actually fought them off.
[00:38] <Magnetos> I'm only so enthused about that because I disagree with the methods used to "abduct" humans.
[00:38] <Magnetos> They're not diplomatic or understanding of human psychology at all.
[00:38] <GalacticExplorer> sometimes even brutal
[00:39] <Magnetos> Undoubtedly.
[00:39] <inkpen> only sts would be
[00:41] <GalacticExplorer> Look Elurion disappeared as soon as he said the story
[00:41] <Magnetos> I think if we were ever to have contact with the Greys, there would be some bitterness from humans towards the Greys.
[00:41] <Magnetos> Really..I had some questions to ask him.
[00:42] <GalacticExplorer> look up
[00:42] <GalacticExplorer> he disconnected right after the story
[00:42] <inkpen> travis reported to seeing nordics...STO
[00:42] <inkpen> crazy
[00:42] <GalacticExplorer> nordics are STO only
[00:42] <GalacticExplorer> thats what ZT says
[00:43] <inkpen> http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a58.htm
[00:43] <Magnetos> Yeah, he reported seeing a few nordics.
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[00:43] <Magnetos> But I've heard him speak personally and described the primary beings as characteristic of the greys.
[00:43] <inkpen> yes well that link is...however his recolection clearly describes nordic contact
[00:44] <inkpen> they were there as well
[00:44] <Magnetos> Right.
[00:44] <Magnetos> Yes.
[00:44] <Magnetos> Primarily greys though.
[00:44] <Magnetos> He reported seeing a nordic that calmed him telepathically and then left.
[00:45] <inkpen> many nordics...males and females of the species
[00:45] <Magnetos> Well, you can believe that if you wish.
[00:45] <Magnetos> Well, yes, that's true..but my point is that is was not a nordic abduction.
[00:46] <GalacticExplorer> Was it STO or STS?
[00:46] <GalacticExplorer> Looks like STO
[00:46] <inkpen> and my point is that it was an sto contact because nordics were present
[00:46] <Magnetos> Okay, point taken.
[00:48] <inkpen> http://www.zetatalk.com/worlds/w12.htm
[00:48] <Magnetos> When I was speaking of abductions, I was speaking in general of the stories given by abductees.
[00:48] <Magnetos> Not that particular instance.
[00:49] <inkpen> oky
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[00:55] <GalacticExplorer> http://www.anw.com/fire/images.htm
[00:55] <GalacticExplorer> and I am going to sleep
[00:55] <GalacticExplorer> Bye
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[00:56] <inkpen> HELLO
[00:56] <yggdrasil> ;LIAR
[00:56] <inkpen> hehh
[00:56] <inkpen> lair
[00:57] <yggdrasil> u stlll awake
[00:57] <yggdrasil> where do you live/
[00:57] <yggdrasil> ?
[01:02] <inkpen> hello
[01:02] <inkpen> vancouver island
[01:03] <inkpen> thirsty
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[01:07] <inkpen> ~~*      .o    O
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[01:15] <[ACinPA]> nn
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[01:22] <inkpen> HELLO
[01:23] <obany> hi
[01:24] <inkpen> how are you today?
[01:25] <obany> fine fine .... slept long enough i guess .... little longer then 6 hours :P
[01:26] <inkpen> heh thats good... im a thinkin of sleep now :)
[01:26] <obany> ah
[01:27] <obany> inkpen: i guess your clock is running a bit to fast
[01:27] <obany> 1:33am
[01:27] <obany> over here 10:29am
[01:27] <inkpen> 1:34 here
[01:27] <inkpen> lol
[01:27] <inkpen> other side of the world
[01:27] <obany> inkpen: i mean by minuts
[01:28] <inkpen> one minute
[01:29] <obany> inkpen: my clock is set to a time server when my PC starts up...and i just checked again
[01:29] <obany> 10:31am here
[01:29] <islander> hi obany
[01:29] <obany> hi islander
[01:30] <inkpen> whow
[01:30] <islander> inkpen is multitasking heavy tonight
[01:30] <inkpen> not anymore :-)
[01:30] <inkpen> enough research is enough
[01:30] <islander> that chat is closed
[01:31] <inkpen> well goodnite all time for bed now
[01:31] <islander> goodnite ink
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[01:32] <obany> goodnite ... ... have to wait several hours for that inkpen :P
[01:32] <obany> uuuh today
[01:32] <islander> long day ahead o
[01:32] <islander> ?
[01:32] <obany> he is saying goodnite
[01:32] <obany> it's 10:34am here
[01:32] <obany> before it's nite over here .. you know
[01:33] <islander> Im in the same time zone as ink
[01:33] <obany> ah
[01:33] <obany> okay
[01:33] <obany> but he said goodnite all
[01:33] <obany> :)
[01:33] <obany> never mind
[01:34] <islander> just over 10 to poleshift discussion, 12hrs to zetatalk, are Saturdays a long day for you?
[01:37] <obany> mmm nah not that long, it's how you look at it :)
[01:39] <islander> its getting to the time for me to head off as well, will catch you later in the day
[01:40] <obany> okay bye
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[01:58] <obany> hi
[02:00] <obany> Prooksius: in case you don't know there will 2 zetatalk sessions today (Saturday the 4th) see http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z01.htm
[02:02] <Prooksius> 2 obany: thank you. I'm just the beginner of using mIRC and chats. Sorry.
[02:02] <obany> okay okay
[02:02] * obany will return a bit later
[02:03] <Prooksius> Obany, I'm from Ukraine, Ex USSR, I'm not actually see any changes in nature yet. May be in your country it is more obvious&
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[02:09] <obany> well prooksius: check www.shift2003.com and look at the signs
[02:09] <obany> there are changes
[02:10] <obany> that it doesn't happen yet in your area doesn't say a thing
[02:12] <obany> also check http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p89.htm and http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p169.htm
[02:13] <Prooksius2> Thank you. I have been reading this poleshift and Zetatalk discussions for several mounth. Now I'm trying to participate. :)
[02:14] <obany> just a little reminder, check the topic ... this channel is for discussion about preparing etc...
[02:17] <Prooksius2> And I'm preparing! Our group is building a small village on a plato of Ai Petri. It is inCrimea (I live in Sevastopol). We have so to say Teacher, Oris, whos spirit is from Pleades
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[02:41] <elwood> Hello all.
[02:42] <obany> hi elwood
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[02:44] <obany> jo
[02:45] <elwood> This is weird.  I am new again to IRC, having last done "relay" chat in college about 8 years ago.
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[03:17] <obany> wb Queen, it seems you forgot some articles on the site.. like the one about the European weather
[03:18] <obany> the hurricane in Germany and the flooding
[03:18] <QueenVee> obany: yes, i was out of commission yesterday. had to put my dog down. will put them up today....
[03:19] <obany> ah okay i remembe that you mentioned that about your dog
[03:19] <obany> to bad
[03:20] <obany> but i guess he/she had a good live
[03:20] <QueenVee> yes, difficult day
[03:20] <QueenVee> yes, he had a very good life
[03:24] <obany> ah, well let's see what today will bring us, i mean with the sessions and all .. as the Zetas will answer the predictions for 2003 today for what i remember
[03:24] <QueenVee> yes, that's right
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[03:42] <QueenVee> hello Freddo
[03:42] <Freddo> Hi Queen
[03:42] <Freddo> do you ever sleep
[03:42] <QueenVee> lol
[03:42] <QueenVee> o
[03:43] <QueenVee> i'm trying to catch up on things....
[03:43] <Freddo> did you check out the atlantis site
[03:43] <QueenVee> yes, interesting....
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[03:44] <Freddo> much more information in the book
[03:44] <Freddo> even talks about the hybrids
[03:45] <QueenVee> wow
[03:45] <obany> freddo ??
[03:45] <QueenVee> you have the book?
[03:45] <Freddo> yes
[03:45] <obany> Freddo: wich books talks about the hybrids?
[03:47] <Freddo> called The children of the law of one @ the lost teachings of atlantis by Jon Penial
[03:48] <obany> and what does that book say about the hybrids?
[03:49] <Freddo> calls them the spirial beings that will inhabit the earth after the catalisms
[03:49] <obany> interresting
[03:52] <QueenVee> yeah, that's really interesting
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[03:52] <Nick13> yo
[03:53] <Nick13> anyone home
[03:53] <QueenVee> Hello Nick
[03:53] <Nick13> Hello
[03:53] <Nick13> wus up
[03:53] <QueenVee> you been here before Nick?
[03:53] <Nick13> nope
[03:53] <Nick13> i was checkin out shit about astronomy and i looked into planet x
[03:53] <QueenVee> Please take note:
[03:53] <QueenVee> 'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[03:53] <Nick13> yo queen
[03:53] <Nick13> so tell me about this planet x
[03:54] <QueenVee> s  go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion
[03:54] <Nick13> its suppose to destroy earth?
[03:54] <Nick13> no i have already read that
[03:54] <QueenVee> clearly you haven't
[03:54] <Nick13> i wana talk to someone that actually knowz
[03:54] <Nick13> well i have
[03:54] <Nick13> i didn't seem to understand it
[03:54] <QueenVee> then you would know the answer to your question
[03:55] <Nick13> well is it  it destroys most of life?
[03:55] <Nick13> not earth
[03:55] <Nick13> but most of life
[03:55] <Nick13> right?
[03:55] <Nick13> Incorrect?
[03:55] <QueenVee> all of your questions are answered in the POLESHIFT section of www.zetatalk.com
[03:55] <QueenVee> this isn't zetatalk101, it is for those already familiar with the information provided there
[03:56] <QueenVee> ok?
[03:56] <Nick13> so wait
[03:56] <Nick13> where do i go to find my answers
[03:56] <Nick13> i wana talk to someone
[03:56] <QueenVee> www.zetatalk.com, you can also try the #earthchanges channel
[03:56] <Nick13> okay
[03:56] <Nick13> brb
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[03:57] <obany> i will return later .... ... guess well in 4-5 hours or later even
[03:57] <obany> bye laters
[03:57] <Ogmios> hi
[03:57] <obany> bye ogmios ttyl
[03:57] <QueenVee> bye obany
[03:57] <QueenVee> hi ogmios
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[03:57] <Nick13> yo
[03:57] <Nick13> queen
[03:57] <Nick13> there is no one there
[03:57] <Ogmios> hi QV
[03:57] <Nick13> Hi Ogmios
[03:57] <Ogmios> hi nick
[03:58] <Nick13> Ogmious u wana help me out dude
[03:58] <Ogmios> how?
[03:58] <Nick13> i want to know some of the basic answers of this planet x that u probely know since u are here
[03:58] <Nick13> whats  Poleshift?
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[03:58] <QueenVee> this guy was warned
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[03:59] <Nick13> queen
[03:59] <Nick13> stop kicking me
[03:59] <Nick13> i have don nothing wrong
[03:59] <Ogmios> who are you nick?
[03:59] <QueenVee> well, quite the asshole, aren't you. you don't qualify to be in this chatroom, dude
[03:59] <Nick13> queen so what
[03:59] <Nick13> Doesn't give you the right to kick me
[03:59] <Nick13> I have don nothing wrong but ask
[03:59] <QueenVee> yeah, it does. i own this chat room.
[04:00] <Nick13> So what, how would you like it if someone baned ur ass from another channel without giving u a good enough reason
[04:00] <Nick13> Exactly
[04:02] <QueenVee> +b *!*@*.rasserver.net
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[04:03] <QueenVee> geez
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[04:04] <QueenVee> +b *!*@*.dsc09-waf-dc-3-225.rasserver.net
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[04:04] <Ogmios> sounds like young person
[04:04] <QueenVee> yeah
[04:04] <QueenVee> thinks he has a "right" to be wherever he wants
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[04:09] <Ogmios> my mom is going nuts
[04:10] <Ogmios> she knows something
[04:10] <Ogmios> wont accept it
[04:10] <QueenVee> you mean the poleshift?
[04:10] <Ogmios> fears future
[04:10] <Ogmios> yes
[04:11] <QueenVee> well, i wouldn't push it on her....
[04:11] <Ogmios> havent talked about poleshift. but she senses
[04:11] <QueenVee> how do you know?
[04:11] <Ogmios> isnt stupid
[04:11] <QueenVee> what does she say?
[04:11] <Ogmios> weather is too odd
[04:12] <QueenVee> brb
[04:12] <Ogmios> she is afraid about future
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[04:16] <QueenVee> sorry about that, had to get the kettle
[04:16] <QueenVee> hi scooby
[04:17] <QueenVee> ogmios: so she is just expressing general anxiety about the future?
[04:17] <QueenVee> worried about the weather?
[04:17] <scooby> hey QV
[04:17] <scooby> trying to calm down Nick over on #earthchanges
[04:17] <QueenVee> lol
[04:17] <QueenVee> having fun?
[04:18] <scooby> hes just a scared kid
[04:18] <scooby> in va
[04:18] <QueenVee> well, he was being an asshole in here
[04:18] <QueenVee> he has to learn sometime that being an asshole isn't the best way to get people to help you
[04:18] <scooby> i know...
[04:18] <scooby>  <Nick13> oh
[04:18] <scooby> [04:15] <Nick13> scooby what if doesn't happen
[04:18] <scooby> [04:16] <Nick13> i mean okay i do belive there is another planet... but we got so much shit in space that would be able to detect if it even got like 20 million miles cloose to us
[04:18] <scooby> [04:16] <Nick13> so if its 4 months away
[04:18] <scooby> [04:16] <Nick13> its pretty damn cloose
[04:19] <scooby> he sounds young to me
[04:19] <QueenVee> yeah, i'd say around 13
[04:19] <QueenVee> still old enough to read the zetatalk site, which he refuses to do
[04:19] <scooby> lol, crack the whip!
[04:19] <scooby> some people want the shortcut
[04:20] <scooby> i guess i am an enabler
[04:20] <scooby> lol
[04:20] <QueenVee> hey, talk to Tenshu -- he's only 16 and when he showed up here i spent a great deal of time talking to him and helping him....
[04:20] <QueenVee> because he wasn't an asshole
[04:21] <QueenVee> age is no excuse
[04:21] <QueenVee> how old are you, scoob?
[04:22] <scooby> 32
[04:22] <scooby> i know he rubbed you the wrong way
[04:22] <scooby> and was a biut obnoxious
[04:22] <QueenVee> mmmm, in another ten years you'll probably be as tired of assholes as i am....
[04:22] <QueenVee> :-)
[04:22] <scooby> but i am just answering basic q's and pointing him to ZT for the rest
[04:22] <scooby> LOL
[04:22] <QueenVee> hey, feel free
[04:23] <scooby> i think the important thing to get is that the sould lives on
[04:23] <scooby> and most people are missing that message
[04:23] <QueenVee> yes, for sure
[04:24] <scooby> not because i am a religious wacko
[04:24] <scooby> i am not
[04:24] <scooby> quite the opposite actually
[04:24] <QueenVee> scooby<------------------------religious whacko
[04:24] <QueenVee> lol
[04:24] <QueenVee> just kidding
[04:24] <scooby> but have been a believer in what Ruth Montgomery wrote
[04:24] <scooby> I know... LOL @ QV
[04:24] <QueenVee> yes, her books are great
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[04:24] <Nick13> <Himitsu> ask queenvee in #poleshiftdiscussions
[04:24] <scooby> Nick, be nice
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[04:25] <QueenVee> better get back to him, scoob
[04:25] <scooby> lol
[04:25] <QueenVee> hey, you guys wanted your own channel!
[04:26] <scooby> LOL
[04:26] <QueenVee> Ogmios: are you still there?
[04:28] <Ogmios> yes
[04:29] <QueenVee> about your mother...
[04:29] <QueenVee> is she thinking something environmental is going to happen, weather wise?
[04:29] <Ogmios> i think so
[04:30] <QueenVee> what kinds of things does she say about it?
[04:30] <Ogmios> she has seen prophetic dreams before
[04:30] <QueenVee> ah, ok
[04:30] <Ogmios> doesnt wanna talk about them
[04:30] <Ogmios> she is in denial
[04:31] <QueenVee> she probably knows that she is going to die, and there is nothing she can do about it
[04:32] <Ogmios> yes
[04:32] <QueenVee> there are probably a lot of people who sense that
[04:33] <Ogmios> my mom is war refugee
[04:33] <QueenVee> ah
[04:33] <Ogmios> seen lots of destruction and death
[04:34] <QueenVee> so is more sensitive to it
[04:34] <Ogmios> was near trainstation where died hundreds of civilians when russia bombed it
[04:34] <QueenVee> senses that it is coming again
[04:34] <QueenVee> she has had a hard life
[04:34] <Ogmios> yes
[04:35] <QueenVee> people in North American haven't got a clue about what the rest of the world experiences
[04:35] <QueenVee> it makes me so angry how complacent they are sometimes
[04:36] <QueenVee> the response to 9/11 makes me angry, because they act as though this is the first time anyone has suffered because of war....
[04:36] <QueenVee> the poleshift will hit them hard
[04:36] <Ogmios> yes
[04:36] <scooby> bwahahahahahaha
[04:37] <QueenVee> scooby?
[04:37] <scooby> yeah
[04:37] <scooby> he's 17
[04:37] <scooby> LOL
[04:37] <Ogmios> world wars never touched north america
[04:37] <Ogmios> no dead civilians
[04:37] <Ogmios> by enemy bombs
[04:37] <QueenVee> 17? Christ, i was living on my own and supporting myself at that age
[04:37] <scooby> W
[04:38] <Freddo> by all off to bed
[04:38] <QueenVee> Ogmios: yes, i don't want to see anyone die or suffer, but more innocent americans died on their own soil as a result of their government's foreign policies, maybe they would not be so keen to support war in other places....
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[04:38] <QueenVee> bye Freddo
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[04:58] <scooby-afk> nite queen vee...
[04:58] <scooby-afk> heading for bed
[04:58] <QueenVee> sleep well scoob
[04:58] <QueenVee> where's nick now?
[04:58] <scooby-afk> Nick might come around again, and if he gives you any lip kick him
[04:58] <QueenVee> hehe
[04:58] <scooby-afk> heh, like you need me to tell you that
[04:58] <QueenVee> 'lol
[04:59] <scooby-afk> he should be good tho
[04:59] <scooby-afk> he's in #EC
[04:59] <QueenVee> goo
[04:59] <QueenVee> d
[04:59] <scooby-afk> i told him to idle there
[04:59] <scooby-afk> Himitsu is there too
[04:59] <QueenVee> LOL
[04:59] <scooby-afk> he refered him to you in the first place
[04:59] <scooby-afk> LOL
[04:59] <QueenVee> good old Himitsu
[04:59] <scooby-afk> yeah...
[04:59] <QueenVee> when's that guy gonna get a life?
[04:59] <scooby-afk> i dunno
[05:00] <scooby-afk> he idles on at least 4 channel
[05:00] <scooby-afk> s
[05:00] <scooby-afk> maybe more...  i only idle on 4
[05:00] <scooby-afk> LOL
[05:00] <QueenVee> LOL
[05:00] <scooby-afk> g'nite queenie
[05:00] <QueenVee> nite
[05:00] <scooby-afk> is he a spy or something?
[05:00] <scooby-afk> LOL
[05:00] <scooby-afk> just a thought
[05:01] <QueenVee> no, just another asshole
[05:01] * QueenVee sighs
[05:01] * scooby-afk laughs in QuenVee's general direction
[05:01] <scooby-afk> QueenVee's even
[05:01] <scooby-afk> ok... this time i mean it
[05:01] <scooby-afk> g'nite
[05:01] <Ogmios> i'm now in 2 channels
[05:01] <scooby-afk> nite og
[05:02] <Ogmios> nite
[05:03] <Ogmios> the other one is #australia i a got bosnian friend
[05:03] <QueenVee> cool
[05:03] <Ogmios> war refugee.. lives in sydney
[05:05] <Ogmios> really pretty girl
[05:05] <Ogmios> and single
[05:05] <Ogmios> ;)
[05:05] <QueenVee> ah....
[05:05] <QueenVee> but so far away....
[05:05] <Ogmios> but i wont meet her..time runs out
[05:06] <Ogmios> without poleshift she would come here
[05:06] <QueenVee> sad....
[05:06] <QueenVee> well, you will be very happy if the poleshift does not happen
[05:07] <Ogmios> i have mixed feelings
[05:07] <Ogmios> i dont wanna deny the facts
[05:08] <Ogmios> maybe i live with her in another life
[05:08] <QueenVee> mmmmm
[05:09] <QueenVee> my computer is acting strange, i gotta reboot
[05:09] <QueenVee> be right back
[05:09] <Ogmios> maybe zetas transfer me to australia heh
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[05:17] <Ogmios> wb queen
[05:17] <QueenVee> :-)
[05:17] <QueenVee> computer working better now
[05:17] <Ogmios> :)
[05:18] <Ogmios> http://www.fmi.fi/weather/local.html?kunta=Pori
[05:18] <Ogmios> todays weather here
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[05:25] <QueenVee> hello Humor
[05:26] <QueenVee> are you in good humor today?
[05:26] <Humor> Good morning, Queen!
[05:26] <Humor> Always in a good humor, even had one yesterday! lol
[05:26] <QueenVee> good stuff
[05:29] <Humor> Power went out in our area two night ago.  No power from 8pm-3am.  It was a good short practice to when the ple shift begins.
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[05:29] <QueenVee> hello edude
[05:29] <Humor> Had to bring out the candles and camping gear.
[05:29] <edude> hello queenvee
[05:29] <QueenVee> humor: yes....
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[05:39] <Humor> Welcome, obany!
[05:40] <obany> hi humor
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[05:48] <obany> wow queen :)
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[05:48] <obany> you are fast today :)
[05:48] <QueenVee> hehe
[05:48] <QueenVee> well, i'm going back to bed now for a nap.....
[05:48] <QueenVee> see you later
[05:48] <obany> ah
[05:48] <obany> ok
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[06:21] <obaway> what are you trying to say with that?
[06:32] <Ogmios> hi
[06:32] <obaway> hi
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[07:23] <Ogmios> i had to download europes final countdown
[07:23] <Ogmios> tune was on samsaras site
[07:24] <obany> i rememberr that son .. have tape somwerhe else at home with songs from europe
[07:24] <obany> like carrie
[07:25] <obany> ah and i have it on mp3 also that song
[07:25] <Ogmios> final countdown was a massive hit
[07:25] <obany> i know
[07:26] <obany> when lights go down i see no reason .... for you to cry .. we been trough this before ... ... ..
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[07:26] <Ogmios> :)
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[07:28] <Ogmios> i go to sauna now. bbl
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[08:08] <Ogmios> europe - cherokee
[08:14] <obany> i know that one too yes .. cherokee .. and i think they have a number line ninja survive or so .. not sure anymore
[08:15] <obany> brb
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[08:33] <obany> back
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[08:46] <obany> hi
[08:47] <Prooksius> Hello, Obany
[08:48] <Prooksius> Can I ask question or it is possible only in 2 hours prior discussion&
[08:48] <obany> better wait a little longer... as queen ain't here yet ....
[08:50] <Prooksius> Obany, I'm just the beginner of chatting (never did it :)) Can all people see me or only you?
[08:50] <obany> all can see you ..
[08:51] <Prooksius> OK thanks, may be I ask my Q, you tell me is it worth it to ask (sorry for my English)
[08:51] <obany> well go ahead and ask me...  ... let me see if it's an okay question
[08:52] <Prooksius> Question: I’ve read that in 1972 our Sun would transform into big red star killing all life on Earth, thus was postponed by our Teachers (maybe Council of World). Can we hope for same with poleshift?
[08:53] <obany> Prooksius: has already been answered, won't be postponed..
[08:53] <obany> let me see where it is
[08:57] <Prooksius> I remember, AFAIR in last 2-3 sessions. But Q is a bit different. About Sun. Did ZT mention about Sun gonna be red and huge?
[08:57] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/rules/r57.htm
[08:58] <obany> Prooksius: NO ...
[08:59] <Prooksius> I'm asking this cause I know a man living near me, who can travel in other worlds in thin body
[09:00] <Prooksius> He even have been in higher worlds, Astral, Mental, Spiritual worlds...
[09:00] <obany> zetatalk is not saying that the sun will transform into a big red star klling peole... altough the sun will change when the earth will enter 4th density ... but not into a big red star
[09:02] <Prooksius> He told "Don't worry guys, everything will be great. I khow abour ZT, they can't tell the truth cause they have not emotional body, but they are wrong newerthless"
[09:02] <Prooksius> Sorry, sorry. I want to say ZT cannot tell äie. Sorry
[09:03] <Prooksius> I ment ZT cannot tell lie.
[09:04] <obany> well i kinda disagree with him ... they have a soul,  and they are as they say not cold fish  
[09:05] <obany> check here http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/h14.htm
[09:07] <Prooksius> No, of course, not! Thanks for the link, gonna read it.
[09:10] <Prooksius> I've read that so called grey alians due to some experiments with their DNA almost removed this Emotional body from them.
[09:11] <Prooksius> And Logical or Mental becomes main body
[09:12] <Prooksius> That's why many such gray alians are having problems because they are killing themselves with tons of their weapons they prodused
[09:15] <obany> Prooksius: that's not what i have read, have read Visitors from Within and well zetatalk : check here for the zeta history http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a02.htm
[09:17] <obany> the article from Visitors from Within is not avaibable on the site where i found it so ...
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[09:23] <Prooksius> Well, thank you obany
[09:23] <Prooksius> You made it clear
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[09:24] <Prooksius> In case further Qs - I wll ask you. :)
[09:24] <BobS> Mornin' all
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[09:29] <obany> there is that dickhead again
[09:29] <QueenVee> yep
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[09:30] <Vamp> guess who's back
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[09:31] <BobS> what the?
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[09:32] <QueenVee> hi Bob
[09:32] <BobS> Hi Queen...long time no see!
[09:32] <Prooksius> Here is good STS example :) I mean Vamp
[09:32] <QueenVee> yeah, how's it going?
[09:32] <BobS> Sorry to hear about your dog :(
[09:33] <QueenVee> yeah, i'm not having a good day today...
[09:33] <QueenVee> heartsick
[09:33] <BobS> Been busy...family in town for holidays etc.
[09:33] <BobS> sorry to hear that
[09:33] <BobS> How old did you say your dog was?
[09:33] <QueenVee> 16
[09:33] <BobS> WOW!
[09:33] <QueenVee> yeah, he hung around for a long time
[09:33] <BobS> You got bonus years
[09:33] <QueenVee> for sure
[09:34] <QueenVee> and i'm grateful, but still hurting
[09:34] <Ogmios> how old was your dog queen?
[09:34] <QueenVee> 16
[09:34] <BobS> understand
[09:34] <juditness> QueenVee: /mode #poleshiftdiscussion +b *!*@*.dyn.optonline.net
[09:34] <juditness> that will solve the problem.
[09:34] <QueenVee> okay juditness -- thanks!
[09:34] <juditness> :)
[09:34] <BobS> is that for the Vamp freak?
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[09:35] <Ogmios> died to old age?
[09:35] <QueenVee> Ogmios: he was diagnosed with a heart condition a year ago, and he appears to have had a stroke or something
[09:36] <QueenVee> it didn't kill him, but it left him paralyzed on one side, disoriented...
[09:36] <QueenVee> so we had him put to sleep
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[09:37] <QueenVee> hi tex
[09:37] <Ogmios> ohh
[09:37] <Ogmios> comf
[09:37] <from_Texas> Hi QV
[09:38] <QueenVee> nancy is supposed to be doing some predictions for the new year today...
[09:38] <QueenVee> should be interesting
[09:39] <from_Texas> QueenVee: what questions do we have for today
[09:40] <QueenVee> not many
[09:40] <QueenVee> i have a question about the ice hold in minnesota, but that's it
[09:41] <from_Texas> I thought you had noted a couple of others during this past week .. sorry
[09:41] <QueenVee> hold on....
[09:41] <QueenVee> yeah, another one about the strange nature of the recent fires in Australia....
[09:42] <Prooksius> QV, can ZT describe in particular what will be with Crimea (it's Ukraine) after PS. It is as mushroom standing on his leg. Would it crack?
[09:43] <QueenVee> Prooksius: have you looked it up in the Safe Locations document?
[09:44] <Prooksius> Just a second...
[09:44] <QueenVee> ZT on the Ukraine: The climate in the Ukraine will be far milder, after the shift, due to the land being situated much closer to the equator, with Sweden just south of the equator. The Ukraine's primary problem will prove to be its low altitude.
[09:44] <QueenVee> Within 2 years after the shift, the melting poles will eat away all the land, driving survivors to the mountains of the former Europe or into Sweden, if they can make the passage by boat.
[09:44] <QueenVee> Those who wish to survive should plan on such migrations, as moving inland toward India will be moving into inhospitable cold and arid lands. The shift itself will prove less disastrous than in many parts of the world, as the Ukraine is not peppered with volcanoes and is situated in the center of a large plate, not near fault lines.
[09:45] <QueenVee> END OF QUOTE, http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx134.htm
[09:46] <QueenVee> geez, how bad does the weather have to get before every finally says, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?
[09:48] <BobS> No kidding
[09:48] <BobS> We have no snow here in Nebraska yet!
[09:48] <BobS> And its gonna be 52 today!
[09:48] <BobS> Possibly 60 by Wednesday
[09:48] <BobS> ...and Arkansas got a foot of snow...sheesh
[09:48] <QueenVee> yep
[09:48] <QueenVee> nutty
[09:49] <QueenVee> i don't quite understand the mechanics of how PX affects the weather though...
[09:49] <QueenVee> not that i need to...
[09:50] <Prooksius> QV, have read Safe Locs about Crimea. Can ZT ansver about the plato of Ai Petri Mountain as we are preparing a small village there.
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[09:50] <QueenVee> Prooksius: how many miles inland is the location, and what altitude?
[09:51] <Kain> How goes it folks?
[09:51] <BobS> hey Kain
[09:51] <QueenVee> hiya Kain
[09:52] <from_Texas> QueenVee: < 12QueenVee> yeah, ask what specifically can we do to test the slowing rotation of the earth?
[09:52] <Kain> my plans are starting to take motion.. decided to head to Madison, Wisonsin...
[09:52] <BobS> go Kain!
[09:52] <QueenVee> Tex: excellent question!!
[09:52] <BobS> where you at now?
[09:52] <Kain> good one Tex..
[09:52] <Prooksius> Queen, about 6-10 km inland and 1000 meters high. There is 1-2 kilometers low land, then high mountain wall 1000 meters high, then 5-8 km inland
[09:52] <Kain> Austin, Tx .. Bob..
[09:52] <BobS> ahhhh....
[09:53] <BobS> how's the weather down there?
[09:53] <Kain> Right now.. its gorgeous... 70 degrees.. sunny.. cool breeze...
[09:53] <from_Texas> Kain... that was really your question from earlier in the week.. so I will decline credit for it
[09:53] <Kain> not conerned with credit.. just the answer.. :)
[09:54] <from_Texas> lol... true that
[09:54] <QueenVee> Prookius: according to the guidelines given by ZT, you are too close to the coast, and should move further inland
[09:54] <QueenVee> i don't remember that question from last week...
[09:55] <QueenVee> but it's a good one
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[09:55] <Kain> Q: I'm lookin at solar powered battery chargers..  will these be ineffective?? How gloomy will it be?
[09:55] <QueenVee> completely ineffective, according to ZT
[09:55] <QueenVee> just not enough sun
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[09:55] <Kain> are there hand crank chargers?
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[09:57] <QueenVee> Kain: yes, there are, and bicycle generators, but they take a lot of human energy for not much power output
[09:57] <QueenVee> hello Emil
[09:59] <Emil> Hi - first time here - trying to  get onboard befor the session starts.
[09:59] <Kain> oh session in an hour and a half, eh?
[09:59] <Kain> 2.5 hrs I mean..
[10:00] <QueenVee> Emil: welcome -- what part of the world do you live in?
[10:00] <Emil> Bend Oregon
[10:00] <QueenVee> Nancy's ZetaTalk session will begin in 2.5 hours; in the meantime I am considering questions for the agenda
[10:01] <JFull> hi QV--
[10:01] <obany> and you have any questions in mind yet or ?
[10:02] <Emil> Hi again - JFULL is coaching me on the little finnesse's
[10:02] <QueenVee> hi JFull
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[10:03] <JFull> I got in late --have you a link for  the bike gen?  Imade one.
[10:04] <QueenVee> JFull: you'll find one in the POLESHIFT LINKS section of our website: www.shift2003.com
[10:04] <QueenVee> under ENERGY SOURCES
[10:04] <JFull> ok tks
[10:05] <obany> any more questions, about the transformation, aftertime, how life would be in like 5 years after the shift,
[10:09] <Prooksius> QueenVee, please check youy email. I've sent to you an interesting photo.
[10:11] <QueenVee> Prooksius: sorry, but that question is not appropriate for this session, which concentrates on preparation for the poleshift and aftertime
[10:13] <obany> queenvee; and that question of mine, how life would be in like 5 years after the pole shift.
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[10:16] <QueenVee> sorry, i have to take a phone call, brb
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[10:20] <Prooksius> Question: Is it possible to evacuate people just hour(s) prior PS? Technologies of aliens are well advanced.
[10:21] <obany> Prooksius?
[10:22] <Prooksius> Yes  Obany, I'm Prooksius :)
[10:22] <obany> what do you mean by that question ?
[10:22] <QueenVee> i'm back
[10:23] <QueenVee> Prooksius: the aliens will not be evacuating people
[10:23] <Prooksius> Aliens are able to do this. And if a certain group of people are strog STO - why not to evacuate them?
[10:23] <QueenVee> Prooksius: that is all explained in zetatalk -- read it
[10:24] <obany> cause it doesn't work that way prooksius
[10:25] <QueenVee> Prooksius: read this: http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t55.htm
[10:25] <obany> i remember from a zetatalk session from some months ago .. that the Hybrids are on earth now in 4th density . that after the shift they will enter 3th .. so maybe one could ask a question about that ..
[10:25] <obany> this is not in zetatalk btw only in the log
[10:25] <QueenVee> obany: no, ZT has clearly said that there are currently NO HYBRIDS ON EARTH
[10:26] <obany> QueenVee: before
[10:26] <obany> QueenVee: but in a session this question was answered but is not in Zetatalk
[10:26] <obany> and i know what has been said
[10:27] <QueenVee> oh, okay, yes, i see here that it sais no hybrids living here in 3rd density: http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/h32.htm
[10:27] <QueenVee> so what is the specific question, obany?
[10:27] <obany> QueenVee: mmmm they live in 4th density now on earth
[10:27] <obany> moment queenvee i will show you what it says
[10:28] <Emil-away> Emil back
[10:28] <QueenVee> no, hold on, this section clearly says "Our hybrids are not resident on Earth, and this is for various reasons...." :  http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/h10.htm
[10:29] <QueenVee> obany:  The physical location of these enclaves of hybrids is not far from your Earth. We are right next door, within your Solar System. We have taken up residence where the gravitational field approximates that of Earth, living in 4th Density on the surface of Mars. As such, we are not visible to you in your current 3rd Density state.
[10:30] <obany> (NancyL) ZT to DuncanC: The hybrids are already on Earth! Simply not in 3rd Density where you can see them.
[10:30] <obany> (Sirgrim) Grimbot is definately STO
[10:30] <obany> (NancyL) ZT: At the shift, or we should say shortly thereafter, their communities will move into 3rd Density and they will begin interacting.
[10:30] <obany> (Redeye) Cool
[10:30] <obany> (DuncanC) NancyL: I see.. could one sense these somehow?
[10:30] <obany> (NancyL) ZT: We have stated that the time of catasrophy is a time when the human mind and spirit will be open to change.
[10:30] <obany> (NancyL) ZT: What has NOT changed in their life?
[10:30] <obany> (DuncanC) Yes...
[10:30] <obany> (NancyL) ZT: Thus, depending upon location, depending upon readiness for such interchange, the hybrids will be neighbors directly AFTER the shift!
[10:30] <obany> (NancyL) End ZT to DuncanC.
[10:31] <QueenVee> well, nancy is contradicting ZT there
[10:31] <obany> QueenVee: no, it was just not updated
[10:31] <QueenVee> i'll put together a question asking her to clarify the contradiction
[10:31] <QueenVee> and explain why hybrids would be here now
[10:32] <obany> that's not a contradiction, just that the hybrid project is ready now...
[10:32] <obany> keep in mind that what you said is like earlier zetatalk, when they where still working on them
[10:32] <QueenVee> well, i'll put the question on the agenda, as it needs clarifying
[10:33] <obany> for me it's clear enough
[10:33] <QueenVee> then why are you asking the question?
[10:33] <QueenVee> you brought it up as a possible question
[10:34] <QueenVee> what is the date of the zetatalk session in which she mentioned that hybrids are already on earth?
[10:34] <obany> if they could say something more about it, .. that's all ... not because i questioned that answer because you think it contradicts
[10:34] <obany> may 2002  http://www.zetatalk.com/index/cmay2502.htm
[10:34] <QueenVee> ok, thanks
[10:35] <obany> there is no contradiction what so ever
[10:35] <QueenVee> so is there somethng specific you want to ask about it, then?
[10:35] <Prooksius> Why only hybrids? People have been maid (if one can say this way) by various aliens (DNA experiments). People encapsulate all good properties of aliens. They are their creatures. Why would alienlet this happen?
[10:36] <obany> just if they could eleborate a little, on this because it's not in Zetatalk
[10:37] <obany> not because i was thinking it was like a contradiction cause i know what's in zetatalk
[10:37] <QueenVee> Prooksius: please read the HYBRIDS SECTION for answers to that question: http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/h00.htm
[10:38] <obany> just don't think that i don't know what's on zetatalk, QueenVee
[10:38] <obany> :)
[10:39] <obany> please don't kick me :P
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[10:40] <QueenVee> hi cmell
[10:40] <cmell> hi
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[10:40] <QueenVee> WELCOME: A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder will begin in approximately 2 hours. I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[10:40] <obany> now what's that smell :P
[10:41] <cmell> I dunno, was it here before :P
[10:41] <obany> no, right after you joined :P
[10:41] <cmell> heh
[10:41] <obany> so cmell any questions?
[10:42] <obany> <QueenVee> WELCOME: A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder will begin in approximately 2 hours. I am currently considering questions for the agenda
[10:42] <cmell> no, not really other than the obvious, ... "the weather ? tsk tsk"
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[10:43] <cmell> what happened too few q's  ?
[10:43] <QueenVee> too few appropriate questions
[10:44] <QueenVee> i continue to get lots of questions along the lines of "why don't the zetas stop the poleshift", etc....
[10:44] <obany> i am sure we could think of some good quetions
[10:44] <cmell> yes, it's hard to come up with something that hasen't been answered before
[10:45] <obany> well of course, but there are still questions to be answered upon cmell and you know that
[10:45] <obany> and you have some too :)
[10:45] <obany> don't hesitate
[10:46] <cmell> most questions, tend to be "you said .... , can you elaborate on .... ?"
[10:46] <QueenVee> here's an interesting article on how wildlife are being affected by the climate changes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2617139.stm
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[10:47] <QueenVee> hey samsara.WELCOME: Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 1.5 hours. I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[10:47] <cmell> I did come with that "hole in the ice, on the lake"-story
[10:47] <samsara2003-away> Alright
[10:47] <QueenVee> yeah, that's on the agenda, cmell, a good one
[10:47] <obany> cmell, there we have the transformation, the awakening, hybrids, the pole shift, preparing ... even the awakening will contineu after the shift...
[10:47] <samsara2003-away> I'd still like to know about Tashkent...nancy hasn't updated that yet...I had to nag
[10:47] <obany> so yes there are questions to be asked
[10:47] <samsara2003-away> I hate to nag
[10:48] <QueenVee> Tashkent?
[10:48] <QueenVee> what is that?
[10:48] <cmell> QV what about the mysterious sounds in india that crumbled houses ?
[10:48] <samsara2003-away> Tashkent, Uzbekhistan-Safeloc writeup
[10:49] <samsara2003-away> 2.5 Million Inhabitants/largest city in central Asia
[10:49] <obany> it is just that they it's not always that easy to come up with that (questions) that is
[10:49] <QueenVee> samsara: your question about that was already answered....
[10:49] <samsara2003-away> No, she said she'd write it up later - never got written up
[10:49] <QueenVee> cmell: well, ZT has predicted such sounds and has already explained what they are.... what specifically did you want to know?
[10:50] <obany> samsara2003-away: maybe she was to busy or forgot to put it you so ..
[10:50] <cmell> if it was one such manifestation :)
[10:50] <QueenVee> samsara: so you should write and remind her, then; do you have a copy of her answer from the log?
[10:50] <samsara2003-away> Perhaps...
[10:50] <samsara2003-away> I already wrote and reminded her once...
[10:50] <cmell> it's thin
[10:50] <cmell> hehe
[10:50] <QueenVee> samsara: well, she's busy, keep reminding her
[10:50] <samsara2003-away> Maybe if she were reminded again...I'll write her...
[10:51] <samsara2003-away> I realize she's busy
[10:51] <samsara2003-away> Alright...I've got to go to work, hopefully I'll be back in time
[10:51] <QueenVee> cmell: she'll just repeat what she's said about previous incidences of the same kind of noises -- perhaps if you find a new angle to the question....?
[10:51] <QueenVee> bye samsara
[10:51] <samsara2003-away> ;o
[10:52] <cmell> I'll have to find the article again, brb
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[10:54] <cmell> later sam
[10:56] <QueenVee> okay, i've got a question, tell me what you think:
[10:57] <QueenVee> most people who know about the shift are not planning to move to their safe location until PX appears in the sky seven weeks prior to the shift....
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[10:58] <gwilra> test
[10:58] <QueenVee> it would be useful to know if there will be a significant uptick in severe weather, earthquakes, flooding, etc during that period, to the extent of that it would affect travel...
[10:58] <QueenVee> feedback?
[10:58] <QueenVee> hello gwilra
[10:58] <QueenVee> WELCOME: Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 1.5 hours. I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[10:58] <gwilra> qv: may I submit my question now?
[10:58] <QueenVee> shoot
[10:58] <obany> seems like a interresting question ... queenvee ...
[10:59] <from_Texas> QueenVee: that would be most useful to know
[10:59] <gwilra> QV:  This  part 1 of  7 so as to be able to post the question with the character limitations of this chat line:  BACKGROUND: By using a globe repositioned to place the estimated area of the Atlantic expected to house the new north pole, [MORE TO COME]
[10:59] <cmell> hhmm could be, maybe combined with a new probe into the political aspect of it = will ppl be allowed to travel
[10:59] <gwilra> QV  part 2/7: "and then by accurately marking off the new lines of latitude in 10 degree circular segments.  Then by adding the missing difference between the new north pole and the new south pole estimated positions (which is the 80 degrees the African plate is expected to move to fulfill the new poles predictions),  [MORE]
[10:59] <gwilra> QV part 3/7: Q1 "why is it that Minnesota's new latitude computes out to 15 degrees, and the new equator appears to run through western Canada and western USA?"  in contrast to the Safe Locations document, [MORE]
[11:00] <gwilra> QV part 4/7:  "while Africia is positioned exactly at the same location in relation to the equator as the safe locations document  shows?  [MORE]
[11:00] <gwilra> QV part 5/7: "Understood that the Pacific Plate will truncate, but our maps show eastern Siberia as part of the North American Plate, which suggesting that the Pacific Plate will not shift Canada and the USA east enough to fulfill Minnesota's prediction of only "improve, becoming milder" instread of becoming semi-tropical if it doesn't move.  
[11:00] <gwilra> QV part 6/7: Q2 "..Meanwhile, Using Ecuador as a check point, Safe Locations refers to it as ending up with "much the same climate" as now? when in fact Ecuador measures out at a new 40 degrees latitude.  Is the South American plate itself expected to truncate considerably to accomplish this? [MORE]
[11:01] <gwilra> QV part 7/7:  "Where is the error?  Is the estimation procedure used incorrect? Is it Safe Locations? Or is it climate perceptual differences between the +zetas and us? "  [END]
[11:01] <QueenVee> obany: do you have an answer for this?
[11:01] <obany> let me see
[11:02] <cmell> that is technical, someone has been working gwilra :)
[11:02] <obany> gwilra: it seems that you are a bit confused ... about the new geography map and what's on zetatalk
[11:02] <gwilra> How?
[11:02] <cmell> did you catch my feedback QV ?
[11:03] <QueenVee> yes, cmell, i'll incorporate it into the question
[11:04] <obany> is is that you like to know a bit more about the new geograhy ?
[11:04] <cmell> there may be an angle in asking : "you stated earlier that the earth would begin making sounds, but you didn't state that those sounds would be powerfull enough to crumble houses, ...."
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[11:04] <cmell> would you help to finish that ??
[11:04] <cmell> hi yggdrasil
[11:04] <yggdrasil> hey
[11:05] <QueenVee> gwilra: you are making assumptions in your question that cannot be made, such as : "Understood that the Pacific Plate will truncate, but our maps show eastern Siberia as part of the North American Plate, which suggesting that the Pacific Plate will not shift Canada and the USA east enough to fulfill Minnesota's prediction of only "improve, becoming milder" instread of becoming semi-tropical if it doesn't move.  
[11:05] <QueenVee> ZT has stated that it WILL shift Canada and the USA east enough....
[11:05] <QueenVee> cmell: let me take a look at it
[11:06] <yggdrasil> haha
[11:07] <cmell> oh just you beware yggdrasil, or a lumberjack will come your way and then ..... "tiiiimmmmbbbeeeerrr" ... hehe
[11:07] <yggdrasil> huh
[11:08] <yggdrasil> what did i do now ?
[11:08] <gwilra> If the literature says it WILL shift the north american plate and the south american plate, I haven't been able to locate it.
[11:08] <cmell> nothing, was just trying to be funny
[11:09] <yggdrasil> hehe
[11:09] <yggdrasil> is you nick like supposed to be smell ?
[11:09] <yggdrasil> ceemell
[11:09] <cmell> no
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[11:09] <yggdrasil> hehe u ssure?
[11:09] <cmell> it was originally cmel
[11:09] <yggdrasil> its funny to think about how long have you ahd that nick ?
[11:10] <cmell> well I started with the nick cmel
[11:10] <cmell> thats a year ago allmost
[11:10] <gwilra> BTW, even if the South american plate was to shift, how does that account for Ecuador "...
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[11:11] <gwilra> ending up with "much the same climate" as now?  South America would have to truncate to accomodate and...
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[11:11] <gwilra> nowhere in the literature does it suggest this.
[11:12] * obany brb
[11:13] <QueenVee> gwilra: sorry, but this falls into the category of a "surely the zetas are wrong about this" question; the assumption is that they know what they're talking about, even if you don't fully understand the mechanics of it. i fail to see how you're understanding the mechanics of it will help you to prepare for the poleshift and aftertime....
[11:13] <QueenVee> The zetas are obviously not going to say, you're right, we made a mistake, the climate will be tropical...
[11:13] <gwilra> impossible for me... I am 100% pro +zeta.
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[11:15] <QueenVee> i wasn't implying that you weren't, just that there doesn't seem to be much point to spending a lot of time on your very long and detailed question
[11:15] <QueenVee> ...one that will have no effect one way or another on preparing for the poleshift
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[11:16] <gwilra> Interesting side effect to this question.  My wife also is at least 99% pro +zetas, and she believes me on this question
[11:16] <gwilra> ...more than she does the +zetas.
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[11:17] <QueenVee> gwilra: and your point woudl be?
[11:17] <gwilra> Sorry but for us, climate is the prime consideration because of our age, experience, and stamina.
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[11:18] <QueenVee> FOR THOSE WHO JUST ENTERED THE ROOM: Welcome.Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 1.5 hours. I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
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[11:18] <QueenVee> IF YOU HAVE A REGIONAL QUESTION: Please find and present the link to what ZT already says about that region (or closest region), then ask a very specific question that the section has not addressed. The "Safe Locations" document can be found here: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm
[11:18] <gwilra> No point intended, it's a personal joke between wife and me.
[11:18] <Mulder> Hello Queen et all
[11:18] <QueenVee> gwilra: well, you've been clearly told what the climate will be in your region
[11:19] <QueenVee> Welcome Mulder. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 1.5 hours. I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[11:19] <gwilra> OK I quit.  Minnesota was intended to be our region
[11:19] <cmell> gwilra, must be nice to have someone to discuss this with, other than on the net
[11:20] <gwilra> cmell: yes, and this weekend I had 6 people who actually listened.
[11:20] <cmell> damn, I envy you :)
[11:20] <cmell> I have nobody, that will listen
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[11:24] <Okidok> samsara  you have a great site
[11:24] <gwilra> for the record, we live in florida and obviously need to move.  If Minnesota will only experience a "milder" climate...
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[11:24] <QueenVee> Welcome: Welcome.Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately one hour.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[11:24] <gwilra> that could be rough on us as we know what that means having lived there until we could get out.
[11:26] <QueenVee> gwilra: well, it is a fact that Minnesota will only experience a "milder" climate, so you'll have to make your decisions accordingly
[11:27] <willshell> has anyone done wind direction calculations for volcanic ash in the pacific north west?
[11:27] <anon> Possible Q? : Do the Zeta have an idea when PX will be in the 'general public' consciousness?
[11:27] <gwilra> If I have to, certainly, but I was hoping that the "difference" was due to perceptual differences between their species and ours.
[11:28] <QueenVee> anon: already answered, most of the "general public" will not be consciously aware of it
[11:29] <anon> Even when it appear, I suppose most will not know
[11:29] <anon> when it is daylight visible many should know something is coming
[11:29] <QueenVee> gwilra: you're grasping at straws there, in your desire that Minnesota be of a warmer climate than has been predicted by ZT. There is no perceptual difference, because the ZT rely on Nancy to translate what they are communicating into human perception....
[11:30] <QueenVee> anon: well, according to ZT, most will ignore it, or be pacified by reassurances from the govt
[11:30] <gwilra> good point... and I agree! I over looked that
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[11:30] <QueenVee> hello tizza. Welcome: Welcome.Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately one hour.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[11:31] <anon> i see, thanks Queen
[11:31] <QueenVee> IF YOU HAVE A REGIONAL QUESTION: Please find and present the link to what ZT already says about that region (or closest region), then ask a very specific question that the section has not addressed. The "Safe Locations" document can be found here: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm
[11:31] <Tizza> hey queen :) ta
[11:32] <Tizza> does anyone know if we have any new pics this week?
[11:33] <QueenVee> cmell: would you do me a favour and try and find the previous ZT sections on the subject of earth noises?
[11:34] <gwilra> My hat
[11:34] <cmell> i've found this : http://www.zetatalk.com/index/cdec0702.htm
[11:34] <cmell> search for moaning
[11:35] <QueenVee> tizza: the latest can be found here: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=3
[11:35] <gwilra> my hat's off to the people in the Solomon islands, they had a plan to escape the hurricane, and all surviveed.
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[11:35] <Tizza> thanks Q
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[11:35] <QueenVee> oh, come on, cmell, give me the quote -- don't make me read the whole session....
[11:35] <QueenVee> work with me here
[11:35] <cmell> oh ok
[11:35] <QueenVee> hello Mike. Welcome: Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately one hour.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[11:36] <Tizza> gwilra : quite impressive huh
[11:36] <QueenVee> they're a tough people
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[11:36] <Tizza> hey mike-o
[11:36] <Mike-O> Hello, Tizza and QV
[11:36] <Mulder> Queen: Did you see my proposed question?
[11:36] <Tizza> the best equiped people to survive , we should be taking notes :)
[11:36] <QueenVee> i'd like to see your average north american cope as well...
[11:37] <gwilra> tizza: I was feeling sorry after I saw the first films, but later we learned they were brilliantly prepared.
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[11:37] <cmell> damn
[11:37] <QueenVee> no, mulder: can you post it again -- it probably didn't appear because it was too long.... break it up into shorter sections
[11:37] <QueenVee> cmell: you tried to post too much
[11:37] <cmell> yes
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[11:37] <QueenVee> never mind cmell, i'll do a search of the page under COUNTDOWN SIGN
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[11:37] <Shenamea> hello
[11:38] <QueenVee> hello Shenamea. Welcome: Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately one hour.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[11:38] <QueenVee> IF YOU HAVE A REGIONAL QUESTION: Please find and present the link to what ZT already says about that region (or closest region), then ask a very specific question that the section has not addressed. The "Safe Locations" document can be found here: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm
[11:38] <Tizza> i too felt quite sad when the first reports came in (no thanks to the bloody Aust. gov) but then elated when i heard they all survived
[11:38] <willshell> ya those islanders did well, their only difficulty was the loss of modern technology and comforts they had become used to
[11:38] <Shenamea> Is it too late for someone as myself to join a community? I've just found out about planet X
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[11:39] <willshell> Shenamea, no, in my opinion most groups will form durin and after the shift, few will see the need to group before the shift
[11:40] <QueenVee> Mulder: please post your question, i still don't have it
[11:40] <QueenVee> Shenamea: i don't know, you'd have to find a community in your area and ask them
[11:40] <gwilra> tizza:  I heard from so called news here in Florida that the waves were estimated to be 30 feet. is this true?
[11:41] <Shenamea> how do i locate a community in my area?
[11:41] <QueenVee> cmell: this doesn't really fall under the category of earth moaning, i don't think... hold on....
[11:41] <Kindred_Soul> where are you located?
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[11:41] <gwilra> shenamea: check shift2003.kgmweb.com
[11:42] <Tizza> gwilra : ive not read any reports from the people themselves yet,tho with winds in excess of 300 km/hour it would certainly be possible
[11:42] <Mulder> Queen: Proposed Question: part 1 I am not sure how to formulate this correctly. But my concern revolves around the welbeing of the Hybrids.
[11:42] <QueenVee> Shenamea: you have to network with others who are preparing. this group offers two ways of doing so, as outlined on the following page: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=40
[11:43] <QueenVee> what about the hybrids?
[11:44] <QueenVee> Shenamea: This is not the best time to talk to others about preparation, as we are in the middle of the Question Period prior to nancy's zetatalk session. i would encourage you to network with others in the chatroom about that at other times....
[11:44] <Mulder> Queen: part 2: I think we can consider them one parent children in some way. My question would be if there is anyhting we humans, who are lucky enough to survive the shift, can do to make them more comfortable with life in a human body?
[11:44] <Tizza> gwilra : your in florida? have you been having more of those "black tides" over there?
[11:44] <QueenVee> Mulder: what makes you think they will not be comfortable in their human bodies? it is the only bodies they will have known.
[11:44] <cmell> QV maybe I could do this : "<link-to-article> : is this related to earth-moaning as stated earlier in zt, or is it something manmade ?"
[11:45] <gwilra> Tizza:  The black tide was to the south of Sarasota where I live. It never came north of...
[11:45] <gwilra> its original location.
[11:45] <Tizza> ah ic :)
[11:45] <QueenVee> cmell: i'm looking for another similar incident that they commented on.....
[11:45] <cmell> okay
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[11:46] <gwilra> this area has a multi-million dollar beach composed of a crushed quartz that...
[11:46] <gwilra> has been steadily eroding all of last year due to the occasional higher tides....
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[11:46] <gwilra> that zT's talk about
[11:47] <QueenVee> cmell: here ya go, i think this fully answers your question about the explosive sounds in India: http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use00879.htm
[11:47] <QueenVee> hello Kai. Welcome: Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately one hour.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[11:47] <QueenVee> IF YOU HAVE A REGIONAL QUESTION: Please find and present the link to what ZT already says about that region (or closest region), then ask a very specific question that the section has not addressed. The "Safe Locations" document can be found here: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm
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[11:48] <QueenVee> Hello MadHatter: Welcome: Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 45 minutes.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[11:49] <Mad_Hatter> Hi QueenVee
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[11:50] <Tizza> gwilra:last time we camped on the beach fishing we experienced a freak tide,it dumped aprox 1 foot of shell grit on the beach in a matter of a coupla hours
[11:50] <Mulder> Queen: Because even for the ZT's with all their technology it is an experiment, an integration so to speak. I would like to know if there is anything else we humans can do aside from providing genetic material.
[11:50] <QueenVee> Mulder: for example?
[11:50] <Shenamea> Do the zetas consider the Earth a living entity?
[11:51] <Tizza> keeping in mind these beaches have massive "gutters" along them,i still thought it was quite excessive tho
[11:51] <QueenVee> Shenamea: please define what you mean by "living entity"....
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[11:51] <obany> shenemae: nah don't think so ... at least not as something have a soul
[11:51] <Tizza> Western Aust has had tides that go right up into the sand dunes too
[11:52] <gwilra> Tizza: My god, one foot deep of shells in two hours.  I can imagine what it will be like here around April.
[11:52] <Shenamea> Alive such as possesing a spirit
[11:52] <QueenVee> Captain: Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 45 minutes.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[11:52] <Tizza> :) tie down that anchor rope!!
[11:52] <cmell> well how many questions do you have QV ?
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[11:53] <QueenVee> Shenamea: i think you will find the answer to that in the DENSITIES section of the zetatalk site
[11:53] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/rules/r13.htm
[11:53] <Tizza> gwilra : it was surpose to be about .5 metre movment , ended up being more like 1.5 metre movment
[11:53] <Shenamea> ok
[11:53] <QueenVee> cmell: 4 so far
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[11:53] <QueenVee> hi fetus: Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 45 minutes.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[11:54] <Mulder> Queen: I don't know, that's why I would ask what we could do. The transition from Zeta body to hybrid must pose some specific challenges I assume.
[11:54] <fetus> thank you
[11:54] <cmell> ok
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[11:55] <QueenVee> Mulder: there's no transition from zeta body to hybrid body. no more than there is for a soul who incarnates into a human body, who may have previously been incarnated in an alien body....
[11:55] <Zetapal> .   ~~*     .o   O
[11:55] <Tizza> queen v : can we compose one about the central mountain range in aust.?Adelaide has been covered but we need to know about the northern ranges,ie amount of movement,protection on the east side of them against rising tidal waters etc
[11:55] <cmell> hi zetapal
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[11:56] <QueenVee> Tizza: please formulate a very specific question
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[11:56] <QueenVee> Hello WestCoast. Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 45 minutes.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[11:56] <Tizza> k....workin on it :)
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[11:56] <QueenVee> hello Endeavour, and Frank. Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 45 minutes.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[11:56] <QueenVee> IF YOU HAVE A REGIONAL QUESTION: Please find and present the link to what ZT already says about that region (or closest region), then ask a very specific question that the section has not addressed. The "Safe Locations" document can be found here: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm
[11:57] <West_coast> hello all
[11:57] <Endeavour3d> does Jwilliam come into PS Discussion often?
[11:57] <QueenVee> yes, he does
[11:58] <Endeavour3d> ok
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[11:58] <QueenVee> hello grimzilla: Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 30 minutes.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
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[11:59] <gwilra> QV: has anything been said about the time it could take for the melt off and dry out of the permafrost in the Yukon, and Alaska?
[11:59] <Endeavour3d> I went to the observatory last night
[11:59] <Endeavour3d> and was able to lookat the coordinates
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[12:00] <QueenVee> hello serbeo. Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 30 minutes.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[12:00] <Zetapal> did you see anything Endeavour ?
[12:00] <serbeo> hello
[12:00] <Endeavour3d> I was looking at the old December 29th coordinates though so no
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[12:00] <Endeavour3d> however I was not using the CCD camera
[12:00] <QueenVee> gwlira: have you looked up those sections in the safe document?
[12:00] <QueenVee> gwilra: again, IF YOU HAVE A REGIONAL QUESTION: Please find and present the link to what ZT already says about that region (or closest region), then ask a very specific question that the section has not addressed. The "Safe Locations" docume
[12:01] <QueenVee> The "Safe Locations" document can be found here: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm
[12:01] <gwilra> I checking now and will run a search?
[12:01] <West_coast> QV: conventional housing obviously not good for PS. Any idea from ZT when conventional housing would be safe again?
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[12:01] <Endeavour3d> if anyone has ever looked at the Orion Nebula with the naked eye, it looks like a grey smudge in the sky, the reason is because the light is very faint, you need a very long exposure to get the full range of colours from the Nebula
[12:01] <Tizza> queenv: ok here we go.....http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo24h.htm...this covers adelaide only,will there be new mountain building in northern flinders rangers that will make it unsafe and will these rangers give protection on the eastern side against tidal "sloshing" coming in from the west?
[12:01] <Prooksius> QV, I've asked this already. Can ZT describe what will happen with plato of Ai Petri mountain on the south of Crimea peninsula (Ukraine). Info about Crimea is only in SafeLocs pdf file, but a little, not enough. Thanx.
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[12:02] <QueenVee> WC: well, one has to take into account aftershocks.... which can occur for some time after earthquakes
[12:02] <Endeavour3d> last night I was unable to use the CCD camera, however tomorrow I probably will be able to. If not, then I will try either Monday or Tuesday
[12:02] <cmell> well west when things settle down, but housing would attract attention :(
[12:03] <Tizza> Endeavour : some new pics would be nice :)
[12:03] <Endeavour3d> the CCD camera is hundreds of times more sensitive than the human eye so I'll definately be able to see it, at least the dust cloud
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[12:03] <QueenVee> For those who just entered the room: Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 30 minutes.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[12:03] <gwilra> qv:  a search on "permafrost" came up with no time frame for melt off and dry out.
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[12:03] <Endeavour3d> you will hopefully get them next week, however the schedule for the observatory is erratic at best. I will do the bes tI can to get images for you guys
[12:03] <Lancer> greetings folks :)
[12:04] <Tizza> :)
[12:04] <from_Texas> hi Lancer
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[12:04] <Humor> Thanks so much for your efforts..Endeavour3d!
[12:04] <cmell> hi lancer n' idol
[12:04] <idol_harobed> Hi! :)
[12:04] <Endeavour3d> you're welcome
[12:04] <Tizza>  queenv: ok here we go.....http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo24h.htm...this covers adelaide only,will there be new mountain building in northern flinders rangers that will make it unsafe and will these rangers give protection on the eastern side against tidal "sloshing" coming in from the west?
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[12:06] <QueenVee> tizza: how many miles from the coast are the rangers, and how high?
[12:06] <QueenVee> For those who have just entered the room:Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 30 minutes.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[12:07] <idol_harobed> thanks
[12:07] <Tizza> the rangers extend from adelaide's coast all the way north for some 1500 km,height i am stillnot sure of
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[12:07] <Agreg> Im thinking of moving where there is a stream or small river where i can build a dam for hydro power is there instuctions for this in trouble times somewhere
[12:07] <QueenVee> tizza you haven't answered the question -- how many miles inland from the coast
[12:08] <QueenVee> 1500 km?
[12:08] <gwilra> proposed question:  can an estimate be given of how long permafrost lands can take to melt and then dry out?
[12:08] <West_coast> QV: Does ZT see an AWAKENING of the populace when PX becomes visible?
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[12:08] <Tizza> there is a gulf that runs up the eastern side of them so it is difficult to say "how far inland" this gulf extends from the south northward for some 500 km
[12:08] <QueenVee> WC: no
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[12:09] <Tizza> sorry western side!!
[12:09] <cmell> QV I think rangers=ranges
[12:09] <Endeavour3d> probably not, more likely just alot of Panic
[12:09] <Tizza> cmell : doh! :)
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[12:09] <cmell> am I wrong Tizza ?
[12:09] <idol_harobed> No panic.  People will be told is just another comet.
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[12:10] <QueenVee> Tizza: can you please find out what the height of the ranges is, and email that to me (queenvee59@hotmail.com), and i'll get it on next weeks agenda
[12:10] <Tizza> no your quite right!! the doh was for me an my spelling :)
[12:10] <cmell> np
[12:11] <QueenVee> RobH: Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 10 minutes.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[12:11] <Tizza> k Queen, am looking that up now...will do tho my first thought is that the Z's prob should already know that info
[12:11] <Shenamea> how do i inform my children without coming off as a lunatic or instilling panic in them...they are 14 and 15?
[12:12] <QueenVee> Tizza: remember that they work through nancy, and nancy has to have a concept of what is being asked so that she can relay it
[12:12] <Endeavour3d> at first, but the truth will leak out quickly when I tell the guys at the Observatory, considering that they 1) have their own scope 2) have their own team of researchers 3) have a large influence when it comes to astronomical influence in America 4) and they have me ;)
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[12:12] <serbeo> what of the imploding citys? when is this supposed to happen?
[12:12] <GalacticExplorer> HI
[12:12] <QueenVee> hello Galactic: Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 10 minutes.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[12:12] <Tizza> k :0
[12:12] <obany> maybe tell them that you will go camping ... etc etc.. for what i remember such a things has been exlained
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[12:13] <Endeavour3d> don't tell them until you can see it in the sky, that way they wont think you're insane
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[12:13] <cmell> Shenamea try showing them zetatalk website, saying "look what I've found, what do you think ?"
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[12:13] <Endeavour3d> it will be a month off before it happens so it will give them some time
[12:13] <Tizza> Shenamea : they r probably too young to notice the earth changes going on themselves so perhaps just keep them close and then go camping like obany surgested :)
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[12:13] <QueenVee> FOR THOSE WHO JUST ENTERED THE ROOM: Welcome. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in approximately 10 minutes.  I am currently considering questions for the agenda.
[12:13] <Shenamea> did that and they are in denial...laughing at me...husband too
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[12:14] <Humor> Tell them your future plans.  Gives them a sense things are organized and prepared.  Gives them a sense of security when change occur.
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[12:14] <cmell> hhmm
[12:14] <QueenVee>     HELLO NANCY     
[12:14] <cmell> look to tizza
[12:14] <obany> Hello Nancy
[12:14] <GalacticExplorer> Hi Nancy
[12:14] <Endeavour3d> just wait 3 more months and they will believe you
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[12:14] <NancyL> Hello all, couple announcements if I may ...
[12:14] <NancyL> ANNOUNCEMENT: Russian broadcasts! Our coordinator of the Russian translation teams informed me: "Yesterday (12/29/02) me and one of interpreters (Alex Senchenko) were invited guests on radio show Neizvestnaya Planeta (Unknown Planet). It was live air show on Mayak-24 (lighthouse) FM station
[12:14] <NancyL> (http://www.radiomayak.ru/mayak24)."
[12:14] <cmell> hello Nancy
[12:14] * QueenVee sets mode: +m
[12:14] <NancyL> "It broadcasts in Moscow, St. Petersburg and some other cities. The main topic was possible passage. I think it was good, we spoke about 40 minutes. Many calls into studio were supportive!"
[12:15] <NancyL> "Also on last friday we recorded short programme for Radio Rossii (Radio of Russia http://www.radiorus.ru/) and it will be broadcast on 5 of January. This station covers almost all Russian territory!"
[12:15] <NancyL> "Both station belongs to russian government however Unknown Planet is independent producing company."
[12:15] <NancyL> ANNOUNCEMENT: Dec issue of After Dark features Nancy on Planet X and the 2003 Passage.  Last I looked my photo was front and center on the new Coast web site http://www.coasttocoastam.com/afterdark/index.html
[12:15] <NancyL> ANNOUNCEMENT: Planet X Video will be advertised on the Coast site.  The video will also be featured in an article in the Feb issue of Nexus magazine, which I am told has a worldwide circulation.  Robert, the producer is also booked for another interviews on the Lou Gentile show and I, Nancy have been invited back to debate Jason Martell, which offer I accepted.  
[12:15] <NancyL> Quote from the invitation "Would love to have you do a guest appearance on The Lou Gentile Show [http://www.lougentile.com/index2.html]  during Feb. or Mar. 2003. We have had several requests for you to debate Jason Martell  http://xfacts.com/"
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[12:15] <NancyL> Robert states that he offered to debate him Jason on the air, but he declined.  Lets show a little backbone there, Jason, and step up to the plate!
[12:16] <NancyL> End ANNOUNCEMENTS
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[12:16] <QueenVee> thanks nancy
[12:17] <grimzilla> g'day z's
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[12:17] <QueenVee> significant uptick in publicity, eh?
[12:17] <NancyL> I'm particularly impressed that Michael Kashin got two GOVERNMENT stations to host his interviews!
[12:17] <obany> good to hear that people in Russia ill get informed too
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[12:18] <QueenVee>  WELCOME ALL. Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session will begin in about 5 minutes. Moderation mode will be on while Nancy does ZetaTalk, after which there will be an opportunity for follow-up questions. If you have a question, please forward it to me on a private channel and I will consider it for the agenda.
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[12:18] <LadyInRed> hello!
[12:18] <QueenVee> hello Lady
[12:18] <Tizza> heya lady!!
[12:18] <azul> Hello everybody.
[12:18] <LadyInRed> whew! made it!
[12:18] <Eccles_P> Coastal flooding on Boston's north and south shores a few hours ago during our 11th Nor'easter in last two months...12-24 inches of snow.
[12:19] <obany> and well the south of Germany had problems with a hurricane some days ago
[12:19] <azul> Minutes ago a derailment in Spain (second today). Two dead at list.
[12:19] <West_coast> coastal flooding in Wahington, too
[12:19] <azul> at least, i meant
[12:20] <LadyInRed> i think the crust is already starting to shift
[12:20] <QueenVee> azul: wow. do you have a news link for that?
[12:20] <BobS> Perhaps this question has been addressed, but can the z's (or anyone) say when the white and red personas will merge on CCD images?
[12:20] <Humor> Between the flooding and hurricanes, the earth is like a huge washing machine!
[12:20] <QueenVee> NANCY: Did you read about the recent sonic booms in India?
[12:20] <Eccles_P> Pluto's orbit
[12:21] <LadyInRed> and spring is 3 months early in Spain
[12:21] <azul> Not yet, I've just heard it on the radio. Perhaps EFE agency.
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[12:21] <QueenVee> BobS: GOOD QUESTION
[12:21] <QueenVee> I'll add it to the agenda
[12:21] <Endeavour3d> when I take the images next time
[12:21] <NancyL> Bobs, since we are still in the pre-chat mode, I'll respond.  They will not merge, as they are composed of different LIGHT spectrums.
[12:21] <azul> Lady: do yoy mean in Italy?
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[12:22] <obany> Hello Steve
[12:22] <LadyInRed> lol
[12:22] <NancyL> What we call the White light persona is just more direct, like starlight, less bent, but probably in the red light spectrum.
[12:22] <SteveH> hi obany
[12:22] <Endeavour3d> I forgot to say this, when I gave the coordinates, this other guy that was there asked me these questions, mainly if the
[12:22] <LadyInRed> maybe so, ive read so many news reports this morning i could have em mixed up
[12:22] <NancyL> Thus, is shows up AT the coordinates, but is the lesser amount of light coming from Px.
[12:22] <Endeavour3d> sorry, pressed enter too soon
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[12:22] <NancyL> What we call the Red persona is light that bends readily, and thus is NOT seen from stars which have a long way to go.
[12:22] <Endeavour3d> he asked me if the "object" was in Orion and whatnot, basically he was asking me if it was Nibiru
[12:23] <NancyL> The light from stars in that spectrum or wave length is bend and sent elsewhere.
[12:23] <NancyL> The bending red light persona is the GREATER light from Px, at all times.
[12:23] <LadyInRed> lots of strange things in the sun the past day too!
[12:23] <NancyL> It bends to the gravity of the Earth, when passing over the Earth as it must unless DIRECTLY overhead.
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[12:24] <NancyL> Thus, when the camera is pointed EAST from Arizona early in the evening, the camera is pointing SEE or SES or some such, and the core pulls this red light DOWN and EAST.
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[12:25] <NancyL> If you diagram where this red light must pass over, looking into the southern constellation of Orion/Taurus, over the core, with the core east of Arizona early in the evening, you can see the logic.
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[12:25] <NancyL> When it is directly overhead, it is still SOUTH, being a southern constellation, so the red light is closer, but still DOWN from the white light persona.
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[12:26] <NancyL> Toward dawn, from Arizona, the camera is pointing west, but still down to a southern constellation, and thus the red light moves to the RIGHT but it also still DOWN.
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[12:26] <NancyL> I think, for the personas to merge, we would have to have a camera looking DIRECTLY overhead, in the southern hemisphere, positioned such.
[12:26] <NancyL> End diatribe on this :-).
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[12:27] <BobS> Thanks Nancy...I was under the impression (thought the z's said) that at some point as px closes that the personas would close gap and basically merge to one persona as it is too close for the light to bend much anymore
[12:27] <idol_harobed> Stephen Hawking states in his book "Universe in a nutshell" that if we want greater brain capacity, we must raise fetus in tanks, due to enlargement of the head.  Quite interesting.
[12:27] <BobS> Thanks for the explanation :)
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[12:27] <Tcards> hello everyone
[12:27] <cmell> hi
[12:27] <LadyInRed> hi
[12:27] <idol_harobed> Hi
[12:28] <QueenVee> NANCY, ARE YOU READY TO BEGIN?
[12:28] <Jurian> nancy, would you please draw a diagram on how the light bending with the different personas works? I'm pretty darn confused here, and I'm sure i"m not the only one
[12:28] <NancyL> BobS, I think it will be LARGE as it approaches, so won't be  missed and perhaps the personas will merge in this regard, the white being WITHIN the big red blob that is the red persona.
[12:29] <NancyL> Queen READ!  Yes.
[12:29] <NancyL> READY! I meant
[12:29] <NancyL> Jurian, I think this is in the Science section, Red Light link or some such.
[12:29] <NancyL> Diagrams are in there.
[12:29] <Jurian> hmm, thanks :)
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[12:30] <QueenVee>  FIRST QUESTION: Could the Zetas suggest ways that we can monitor and confirm the predicted slowing rotation of the earth. Has such slow-down begun yet, and when should we begin watching for a significant change in the earth’s speed?
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[12:30] <NancyL> ZT: Slowing of the Earth, for the common man, is not an easy affair.
[12:30] <NancyL> ZT: to register.
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[12:31] <NancyL> ZT: First, the Navy, as the Master Clock holders of the world, control networks which computers sych to during the night, quickly bringing all networks into sync with the Master Clock which the public sleeps.
[12:32] <NancyL> ZT: Businesses, finding their manual clocks out of sync, adjust to MATCH, as do employees noticing their watches are off.
[12:32] <NancyL> ZT: Even so-called atomic watches are watches that sync to the Master Clock.
[12:33] <NancyL> ZT: The argument has been made that the true massive atomic clocks are NOT under the control of the US Navy, but this is a falacy as they are few, and in the hands of institutions that are under the thumb of the establishment, as are those employed by major observatories.
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[12:35] <NancyL> ZT: Few people need to be leaned on, and these people are allowed into their positions based on their signed agreements not to threaten what might be called national or world security issues, in other words, don't cause PANIC until we tell you it is OK to make an announcment.
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[12:35] <NancyL> ZT: Enter the common man, with his clocks and watches and PC's.
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[12:36] <NancyL> A minte off here or there, and he adjusts without thinking.  Who remembers if the last time they tweaked their watch it was to set it a minute forward or backward?
[12:36] <NancyL> Oops, s/h/b/ ZT: there
[12:37] <NancyL> ZT: The common movie line "synchronize watches" when going out on a closely coordinated operation indicates how OFTEN individual watches might be off a bit.
[12:38] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, the common man will be accused of making it up, looking for attention, being confused, or whatever should he assert that clocks and watches are too FAST, by a minute or two, and increasingly so.
[12:38] <NancyL> ZT: We have stated that the phases of the Moon will be one way to determine a slowdown.
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[12:38] <NancyL> ZT: Where the Earth has a magnetic core, and react to the approach of Planet X by a slowdown, the Moon has NO magnitized liquid core and cares not.
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[12:39] <NancyL> ZT: It's slow turn, every 28 days, around the Earth is steady, but not so easy to anticipate that the common man can determine just WHERE to look for the Moon.
[12:39] <NancyL> ZT: First, the Moon has a 3 year cycle, and is further away or closer, faster or slower, in going around the Earth based on this.
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[12:40] <NancyL> ZT: This cycle, as noted by the Navy in their graphs, was adjusted in 1994 to pre-account for the slowdown now being experienced, so Moon phases would not be that quickly noticed.
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[12:41] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, from 1994 to about 2000, the Moon was LATE in arriving at the published phase, a point noted by someone writing to Troubled Times with this information.
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[12:42] <NancyL> ZT: But most among the common man, looking at their calendar for the date of the Full Moon, will find the Full Moon pretty much on target, or appearing full, and the issue at this time is whether it is coming LATER in the evening or earlier, and this is information NOT on the calendars.
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[12:43] <NancyL> ZT: But at some point, and we estimate this to come on or about April 1 (no April Fool's Joke intended) the Full Moon will come a full day EARLY, as the Earth's rotation since 1994, a lost minute here and there, will have caught up with the Moon phases.
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[12:44] <NancyL> ZT: These calendars have been prepublished, the dates given by the Navy long ago, so any attempt to change them will be noted and can be compared against previously published calendars.
[12:45] <NancyL> ZT: However, in truth, by April 1, 2003 or thereabout, matters will be so anxious, so extreme, so insecure, for most of mankind, and the Red Star visible in the daytime sky, that mankind will scarsely be looking at the MOON for evidence.
[12:45] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, the Navy effectively changed the Moon phases, on the calendars to be printed, in 1994.
[12:46] <NancyL> ZT: However, as noted on the Troubled Times TEAM page re Slowing, the fact that they MODIFIED their graphics was palpable, evident, obvious.
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[12:46] <NancyL> ZT: They did not think that the public would NOTICE, but they did, among Troubled Times members, and posted on sci.astro, and Nancy included all in the TEAM pages, and there it is!
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[12:47] <NancyL> ZT: The 3 year cycles of the Moon, wabblings askew, taking short dips, cutting corners, and illogically so as the 50 year graphs show NO such variations!
[12:48] <NancyL> ZT: Check it out!  If you are looking for proof that the establishement has been LYING to you, there it IS!.
[12:48] <NancyL> End ZT on this matter.
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[12:48] <cmell> when things stabilize after the shift, will we thus see the backside of the moon (or part backside) ?
[12:48] <NancyL> Front side, the face presenting to the Earth is fixed, apparently, by attractants whatever they are.
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[12:49] <Endeavour3d> unless PX puts a faster or slower spin on the Moon or changes it's orbit I don't really see why
[12:49] <cybervvizz> q- what about astrology programs and other which calculate every moon aspect ?
[12:49] <cmell> hmmm maybe I misunderstood
[12:49] <Endeavour3d> however Nancy stated that it's a magnetic issue not gravitic, so it should (as she just stated) stay fixed as it is today
[12:49] <NancyL> Endeav, it is not the MOON that is providing this evidence, it is the EARTH that turns more slowly under the Moon, thus the Full Moon comes LATER.
[12:49] <Captain_nibiru> WHEN WILL PUBLIC BE AWARE OF THE SLOW DOWN?? NANCY??
[12:50] <NancyL> YOU on the face of the Earth, arrive where you SEE the FULL MOON later than before.  
[12:50] <NancyL> Cyber, you're asking if astrology is valid, it is not.
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[12:50] <cmell> why is it the moon just happens to be spinning just enough for us to only see one side ?
[12:50] <cybervvizz> no, i ask about the moon aspects, astronomy calculated.  they can't alter all those programs if Your story is true
[12:51] <Endeavour3d> I think cmell was wondering if somehow we would see the otherside of the moon, as I said, it is dobtfull
[12:51] <cybervvizz> ephemeris
[12:51] <NancyL> By Moon phases?  Not until April 1 or so, and then so many evidences apparent, not the BIGGIE.
[12:51] <dwander> cmell..it's called tidal lock
[12:51] <QueenVee> NancyL: so because of the adjustments that have been made to the moon phases calendars, it won't be until April 1st that the full moon will appear a day later than what the calendar says it should?
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[12:51] <NancyL> Captain N, if you watch your clocks, you KNOW that a slow down is NOW, but try to prove it.
[12:51] <Endeavour3d> cmell: well it must be just luck, but since I don't believe in luck, it must be one of those astronomical balance things
[12:51] <cmell> I misunderstood what was said by NL
[12:51] <Agreg> are we loosing 5 min a week/month/or a day in Jan
[12:52] <Shenamea> i get soo angry they are doing this!!!
[12:52] <idol_harobed> [cmell]: Objects in orbit tend to align its length with the earth center over time. Thus, we see one side, because Moon is not a perfect sphere.
[12:52] <cmell> perhaps endeavour3
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[12:52] <NancyL> One of my PC's is about 15 min faster than it should be, only started this in the past 3 years, was 5 min, now suddenly 15.
[12:52] <NancyL> But all would say, this is just my PC, etc.
[12:52] <QueenVee>  NEXT QUESTION: ZT has suggested that travel may be restricted in some areas in the weeks prior to the poleshift....
[12:52] <QueenVee>  Will such restrictions be imposed primarily by governments in order to control panic? Or will travel be restricted more by weather/earth conditions? Will there be a significant uptick in severe weather, quakes, etc. in the 7 weeks prior to the shift, and should we take that into account when making travel plans?
[12:53] <NancyL> CMell, the face we see is GLUED to the EARTH, which is why you only see that face, it does NOT turn the dark side ever to us.
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[12:53] <NancyL> Queen, you should look at the TEAM page on Slowing http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam01.htm
[12:53] <QueenVee> ok
[12:54] <NancyL> This is ABSOLUTELY documented there, by Mike Lob who is a genius.
[12:54] <QueenVee> I believe you!
[12:54] <QueenVee> :-)
[12:54] <NancyL> We researched the data in the Navy files, for this.  Only going back about 10-20 years did not show the manipulation.
[12:54] <NancyL> We did a 50 years thingie, and there is was, like a sore thumb!  
[12:55] <QueenVee>  NEXT QUESTION: ZT has suggested that travel may be restricted in some areas in the weeks prior to the poleshift....
[12:55] <QueenVee>  Will such restrictions be imposed primarily by governments in order to control panic? Or will travel be restricted more by weather/earth conditions? Will there be a significant uptick in severe weather, quakes, etc. in the 7 weeks prior to the shift, and should we take that into account when making travel plans?
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[12:55] <NancyL> ZT: Travel restrictions will likely be imposed by governments in response to migrations, but not until this occurs.
[12:56] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, this will vary by country, within country, and in truth is in place LONG before pole shift issues such as weather changes and increasing starvation occurred.
[12:56] <NancyL> ZT: The US has restrictions on immigration from Central America and Mexico, but wet backs and illegal nannies employed in the US have been a long standing problem.
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[12:57] <NancyL> ZT: North Korea is starving, the starving children among the populace creeping into China to raid flields and beg food ongoing for some years.
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[12:58] <NancyL> ZT: This is controlled NOT by the Chinese, who themselves are starving, but by the North Koreans, who do not want the world to know of their state.
[12:58] <NancyL> ZT: Where sudden homelessness or joblessness is cared for in some manner IN SITU, at the site, there will be no migration and no travel restrictions.
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[13:00] <NancyL> ZT: An earthquake ravaged city, with tents cities place on the perimeter and military to prevent looting, will find the majority of the populace in place, waiting for supper and not arguing with their military guards when told to return to their tents as there are looter afoot and they want the survivors to be safe.
[13:01] <NancyL> ZT: If a long time running until the shift, months, such a tent city will need to clear travel for those parties who have relatives or second homes elsewhere, and passes will be issued under the guise of a pass so the MILITARY will allow passage, not thing the travelers looters.
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[13:02] <NancyL> ZT: Where life goes on, unaffected by high tides or ravaged by weather or quakes, travel will in all likelihood be similar to today, to seek work or to visit relatives or whatever.
[13:02] <NancyL> ZT: There will be LESS travel, during hard times, for entertainment, as the airline industry has already noted.
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[13:03] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, until the week going into the shift, when ALL controls are likely to be lifted due to distraction by those assigned to enforce the restrictions, any number of controls may be imposed, and suddently, based on Earth changes.
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[13:04] <NancyL> ZT: This is one reason to be in your chosen safe location EARLY, and if not possible, to have valid excuses to BE there should you need the escuse.
[13:04] <NancyL> End ZT on this matter.
[13:04] <NancyL> In other words, it depends ...
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[13:05] <QueenVee> follow-up questions?
[13:05] <The_Worlds_Muse> What physical/mental changes will happen to mankind in the longrun of the aftertimes?
[13:05] <cybervvizz> For Queue next session- I would confront You with a similar story of the Shift on http://digilander.libero.it/aliendream/wave.html (created: 13/08/2001).  Are Zetans not focused to much to the 3th density results, do they not neglect the force of Thought or Fear projection with their message when it's time right NOW to harmonize with 4th density ?
[13:06] <Tizza> need we mention the refuge problem in Aust. which has been handled poorly and is getting WAY out of control now
[13:06] <obany> cybervvizz: that is not a follow up uqestion
[13:06] <NancyL> Cyber, the Earth will not be different than today, and mankind (humans) no different.
[13:06] <secridrose> are any new gov bunkers under construction?
[13:06] <cybervvizz> a queue request
[13:06] <NancyL> Oops s/b/h yo WorldsMuse, not Cyber
[13:06] <cmell> yes tyzza
[13:06] <Shenamea> will cars be a secure wasy to travel before, and after the shift?
[13:07] <NancyL> Cyber, this is ZetaTalk, not WaveTalk, etc.
[13:07] <QueenVee> Shenamea: there will be no fuel to run them on after the shift
[13:07] <NancyL> In other words, so says YOU, who has no prediction accuracy track record.
[13:07] <NancyL> Tizza, they are just caging them, right?
[13:07] <Shenamea> then we need to rely on bikes or foot to travel?
[13:07] <NancyL> The would-be immigrants are going on hunger strikes, etc, right?
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[13:08] <Tizza> yes but they r getting really restless now....have burnt down most of the detention centres now
[13:08] <NancyL> Tring to draw attention to themselves.
[13:08] <QueenVee> ready for next question, nancy?
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[13:08] <obany> Shenamea: yes, no cars or so ... storing gasoline can be dangerous also (explosive)
[13:08] <NancyL> Cecridrose, not that I know of, but someone told me on the news was an 'undisclosed" Kentucky/Ohio/Indiana military exercise.  
[13:08] <NancyL> I wondered about a practice thingie getting the elite to Kokomo ...
[13:09] <QueenVee>  NEXT QUESTION: A mysterious hole recently appeared in a Minnesota lake, which has the experts stumped (see http://rense.com/general33/hole.htm). Is this phenomenon related to earthchanges caused by the approach of PlanetX, and if so, how?
[13:09] <NancyL> Shenamea, depends.  Cars on the road can be stopped and checked, blocked, etc.
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[13:10] <NancyL> Hole as in dropping bottom?  I'll presume that.
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[13:10] <QueenVee> Nancy: no, not hole as in dropping bottom
[13:10] <QueenVee> hole as in the middle of the ice, occuring nowhere else, as though there is some kind of heat source there
[13:10] <QueenVee> in the middle of thick ice
[13:11] <NancyL> ZT: As we have stated, the East Coast of the US is being pulled DOWN, the Atlantic bottom stretched, and the west coast of the UK islands and Europe likewise being pulled down.
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[13:11] <NancyL> ZT: Recent quakes in Alaska and around the Pacific Rim indicate increased pressure along the subduction zones, too.
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[13:12] <NancyL> ZT: The Earth changes we have predicted for the shift are already in evidence, by these early signs of stress.
[13:12] <NancyL> ZT: Do pattern analysis on the trail derailments, in Maryland, in Florida, Texas, and a dropping lake bottom in Minnesota.
[13:13] <NancyL> ZT: Sinkholds in the UK, a trail derailment in Spain, all showing that STRETCHING of the Earth can cause as many problems as compression and slip-slide plate movement.
[13:14] <NancyL> ZT: Indeed, when stretching occurs, rock stata normally overlayers and FIRM is pulled apart revealing weak points, which can drop, or move laterally to adjust pressure.
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[13:14] <NancyL> ZT: Look for more of this, in the coming weeks and months, to include as we have predicted imploding cities in these areas when the support strata under the buildings shifts.
[13:15] <NancyL> End ZT on this matter.
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[13:15] <Manakin> hello
[13:15] <cmell> hi
[13:16] <Lebrasse> Nancy, re the imploding cities, how many blocks are we talking about roughly 1,10,100 ?
[13:16] <Tizza> been thru the whole "stiching the lips together" now they just torch everything(following up from last Q)
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[13:17] <cmell> lebrasse I don't think it's like that she meant :)
[13:17] <NancyL> Lebrasse, as has been stated, the Zetas CANNOT be precise as to what city, what date, etc. by the rules they must abide by.
[13:17] <NancyL> Scallion can do this, ZetaTalk cannot.
[13:17] <TerrorDactyl> if the earths spin will stop then why won't we feel the huge deceleration?
[13:17] <Lebrasse> ok
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[13:17] <cmell> because it will be slowly stopping
[13:18] <NancyL> So, given that, it depends!  If a main street in NYC drops, pulling down the gas lines and plu