Session Start: Sun Jan 05 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
[00:00] <inkpen> where is redding?
[00:00] <habbak> i think boeing recently moved outta seattle....they know
[00:00] <Scuba> cant pick up redding . but seattle yes
[00:00] <Scuba> mt shasta,close
[00:01] <Scuba> northern Ca.
[00:01] <habbak> that whole yellowstone national park area is one super volcano i have read
[00:01] <walt> Boeing only moved their HQs to Chicago
[00:01] <habbak> it will blow like a meganuke
[00:02] <Scuba> saw that on discovery channel ,yellowstone
[00:02] <Scuba> whadda bout gates?
[00:02] <Scuba> bill
[00:03] <Scuba> he still in seattle?
[00:03] <habbak> poor bill....he'll be typing program...and boom
[00:03] <habbak> kaboom
[00:03] <Scuba> mirosmall, or mirconun
[00:05] <Scuba> this will break all his windows
[00:06] <habbak> his glasses might get cracked
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[00:06] <light> Inkpen how about forming an island group for our area
[00:06] <Scuba> hi Rich
[00:06] <Richard> hi
[00:07] <inkpen> i am considering it strongly...there are three others on the island
[00:07] <Richard> 'feel' right inkpen?
[00:07] <light> I have the email of one of them
[00:08] <habbak> here is an interesting photo...from soho....i think it is a photo of nibiru with its moons in tow....http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/indexback60.html...the top center photo...clicl on it
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[00:08] <inkpen> i have too much bias clouding my decistion right now
[00:09] <Richard> i have a question about where to go to on zetatalk site for a certain question
[00:09] <Scuba> haywood jahalpme i gotta go,nite2uall.
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[00:09] <inkpen> i need to go on a small adventure...they always help me clear my mind
[00:09] <inkpen> whats that rich>
[00:09] <Richard> that's the one inkpen  :+)
[00:09] <inkpen> ?
[00:10] <Richard> the zeta's say the time is one of action
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[00:10] <Richard> any idea what they have to say about rest in between
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[00:10] <Scuba> bac
[00:10] <scooby-atwork> ok gize... i'm outta here...
[00:11] <scooby-atwork> just updated the weblog if you wanna read some
[00:11] <scooby-atwork> http://haywoodjahelpme.com
[00:11] <scooby-atwork> nite!
[00:11] <Richard> later scooby
[00:11] <scooby-atwork> l8r g8tr
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[00:12] <Richard> ~:+)
[00:12] <inkpen> HELLO
[00:13] <Richard> ~precisely
[00:13] <Scuba> any1 familar with the Oahspe?
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[00:13] <nibi> anybody check out that photo on cyberspaceorbit?......looks like a shot of nibiru behind the sun in its approach
[00:13] <Richard> started parts of it but daunting
[00:14] <nibi> a dentist in ohio wtote oahspe?
[00:14] <nibi> wrote
[00:14] <Scuba> is it a book that can b baught at a bookstore?
[00:14] <Richard> chanelled
[00:14] <Scuba> ohh
[00:15] <Richard> cool
[00:15] <Scuba> what about the free booklet that ZT talks about, or TT?
[00:15] <nibi> it's possible....maybe he gets channeled messages thru his drill as he fills cavities
[00:15] <Scuba> can i download it?
[00:16] <inkpen> nibi...what brings you to this channel?
[00:16] <nibi> to speak of coming preparation for the poleshift, of course
[00:17] <inkpen> i dont recognize your nick have you used others before?
[00:17] <nibi> i was just here....habbak
[00:17] <inkpen> oky doky
[00:18] <Scuba> is there a free booklet that TT or ZT puts out?????????????
[00:18] <inkpen> nothings free
[00:19] <Richard> there is Scuba
[00:19] <Scuba> where do i go 2 retrive it?
[00:19] <inkpen> paper cost ink cost publishing cost
[00:19] <inkpen> etc etc
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[00:20] <Richard> inkpen: access is via zetatalk main page
[00:20] <inkpen> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z02.htm
[00:20] <Scuba> that where i go?
[00:20] <inkpen> yes
[00:20] <Richard> can't remember heading its under
[00:20] <Scuba> ty,brb,thnx richard!
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[00:21] <nibi> a short manual on the poleshift.....do stretching exercises to increase your flexibility....so that you may be able to bend fully over and kiss your ass goodbye
[00:21] <inkpen> lol
[00:22] <Richard> short!!
[00:22] <Richard> lol
[00:22] <inkpen> why buy a ZT book when you can read the site?
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[00:23] <inkpen> WB scuba
[00:23] <Richard> because it could provide help to those afterwards in understanding what has occurred
[00:23] <Scuba> thought there was a free pamplet on survival or something like that
[00:23] <inkpen> true!
[00:23] <inkpen> damnit now im going to buy the book
[00:23] <inkpen> lol
[00:24] <Richard> good man .. lol
[00:24] <nibi> i'm debating whether i should explain nibiru to the sunday school class in the morning....think it will go over well?
[00:24] <inkpen> too bad it is not updated
[00:24] <Scuba> ?lol in sunday school?doubt it.
[00:25] <inkpen> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893183157/ref=lib_rd_next_6/104-4922682-0958315?v=glance&s=books&vi=reader&img=6#reader-link
[00:25] <Scuba> nite
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[00:26] <Richard> kids would likely be very mature in their outlook
[00:27] <Richard> to being told about Nibiru
[00:27] <nibi> i wonder if the muslims will be dancing in the streets after the poleshift?.....india destroyed, the great satan a swamp...
[00:28] <nibi> they will say allah has saved them
[00:28] <Richard> you think the muslims will survive ahead of others ...w hy?
[00:29] <Richard> a poleshift would affect all alike
[00:29] <nibi> i think many parts of the middle east might survive...look at the pyramids
[00:30] <nibi> pyramids would probably be an excellent shelter
[00:30] <light> lol night
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[00:31] <Richard> well i haven't the plane fare to get there
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[00:32] <inkpen> WB RN
[00:32] <Richard> well things to do
[00:32] <rnthomas> inkpen Thanks...
[00:32] <Richard> later
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[00:34] <nibi> richard would stick out like a sore thumb if he flew over to the pyramids....probably have on an izod pink shirt and docker slacks
[00:34] <inkpen> hi islander
[00:34] <inkpen> HELLO
[00:34] <islander> hello all
[00:36] <islander> quiet night
[00:36] <nibi> hawaii, islander?
[00:37] <islander> vancouver island
[00:37] <rnthomas> islander: where on vancouver island?
[00:37] <islander> victoria
[00:39] <nibi> didn't they shoot most of the x-files in vancouver?
[00:39] <rnthomas> I'm located in Port Alberni...
[00:39] <inkpen> yes they did nibi
[00:39] <islander> until a certain actor got tempermental about the fringe benefits, too far from his wife
[00:40] <nibi> that gillian anderson is hotttt
[00:40] <inkpen> erm
[00:40] <rnthomas> They shoulda stayed in Van, David ended up leaving anyway...
[00:40] <islander> planning on staying in the area rn?
[00:41] <inkpen> wow white man evolved in the deserts of afrika
[00:41] <inkpen> c instead of k
[00:41] <islander> according to?
[00:41] <inkpen> zetatalk
[00:41] <islander> o
[00:41] <inkpen> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893183157/ref=lib_rd_next_10/104-5763560-4240741?v=glance&s=books&vi=reader&img=10#reader-link
[00:41] <nibi> we lost our pigment after we migrated north
[00:41] <islander> been a while since i read that page
[00:42] <islander> could have been south at that time
[00:43] <nibi> they supposedly did trace the origin of man using mitochondrial dna to a woman in africa
[00:43] <nibi> she must have been one ho
[00:45] <inkpen> lol
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[00:46] <inkpen> there are maney different origins of man
[00:46] <inkpen> diff genetics
[00:46] <nibi> zetas say the indians came from off world
[00:47] <inkpen> genetics from an ape species lond dead... dna to thinned to carry any real merrit
[00:49] <nibi> what's up with the sts zetas?....what does nancy mean when she says they want to harvest souls from the cia and military after they screw them and betray them....make them forsake their humanity?
[00:49] <nibi> that sounds like what demons do....lol
[00:49] <islander> thats not what the harvest is about
[00:51] <islander> in the harvest sts remains in 3rd density, sto goes to 4th
[00:51] <islander> different worlds
[00:51] <inkpen> sts souls of earth leave to go to a sts world nibi
[00:51] <islander> yep, may be a water world
[00:51] <inkpen> thats for the undecided
[00:51] <nibi> sheol?....hell?
[00:52] <inkpen> be a squid?!?  no thanx :)
[00:52] <islander> covered in the transformation pages
[00:52] <nibi> i'm a no-good sts, i'm afraid....i need to be shot
[00:53] <islander> in a hurry to get there?
[00:53] <inkpen> http://www.zetatalk.com/transfor/t09.htm
[00:53] <inkpen> always better to live anouther day
[00:53] <nibi> i'm just a rotten sts nobody who only cares about myself
[00:54] <inkpen> if you insist nibi
[00:55] <nibi> like a sts rat, i'll dig a deep hole and climb in when the pole shift comes....and peep out at all the poor sto souls walking around oblivious
[00:55] <inkpen> hope the hole doesnt cave in
[00:56] <nibi> it probably will....and then i'll be reincarnated as a sts space jellyfish
[00:56] <nibi> and i'll deserve it
[00:56] <inkpen> space jelly fish!?!
[00:56] <inkpen> LOL sts dont get it that good
[00:58] <nibi> i did see a video clip on cyberspaceorbit once....shuttle footage...they were doing some kind of work and the space around them was filled with pulsating small saucers that looked like living jellyfish
[00:58] <nibi> thus the phrase "space jellyfish"
[00:59] <inkpen> cool... i wounder what they are
[00:59] <nibi> can't find that video now
[00:59] <nibi> maybe somekind of life that feeds on ionizing radiation
[01:00] <inkpen> who knows?
[01:01] <nibi> why do people assume the ufo's have somebody in them?....maybe they are alive
[01:01] <islander> life withoutthe vehicle?
[01:02] <nibi> yes....some kinda protoplasmic life form....no body
[01:04] <islander> we probably wouldn't have the words or concepts to describe it properly
[01:04] <nibi> like those "rods" they keep catching on digital film....maddening
[01:05] <nibi> they are there but just so dang quick and elusive....makes you wanna just try and shoot them down, but you know you don't have a chance
[01:06] <nibi> sorta like the military feels
[01:06] <islander> probably aren't physical, but only a temporary disturbance, sort of like sound, you can hear the plane but not see it
[01:07] <inkpen> me tired, i go bed now later all :-0
[01:07] <inkpen> :-)
[01:08] <islander> bye inkzzzzzzzz
[01:08] <nibi> maybe...some kind of temporal anomaly associated with the changing energy fields created by the approach of nibiru
[01:08] <inkpen> whats this about temporal anomilies?
[01:08] <islander> i doubt that, but it leaves me wondering about what is seen
[01:08] <nibi> dimensional barriers being breached by the impending large exchange of energy
[01:08] <inkpen> how can PX affect time?
[01:09] <nibi> from the passage
[01:09] <inkpen> time is associated with a partical flow on a massive scale...nothing PX can do
[01:10] <islander> might be sudden changes in density, think of how waves of heat cause mirages
[01:10] <inkpen> the only thing that will happen is our magnetic field will will find a diff polarixation
[01:11] <nibi> that's what the rods look like...a mirage
[01:11] <nibi> they are there but are not there....maybe just a glimpse of them....like a four-dimensional cube
[01:11] <inkpen> i think rods have something to do with the bending of light
[01:11] <islander> if we used our imagination a bit, what if you could only see vibrations
[01:12] <islander> like a humming bird, only the air vibration and not the bird?
[01:12] <inkpen> apparently they arent life forms or ufos
[01:12] <nibi> yes
[01:12] <nibi> that's a good analogy
[01:13] <inkpen> any ways gnite
[01:13] <islander> we look at a wave on an ocean but do not appreciate it as the release of energy caused by variation of densdity
[01:13] <islander> density
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[01:14] <nibi> so these rods could be a manifestation of the approaching brown dwarf
[01:14] <islander> something else I suspect
[01:15] <islander> how many other visitors do we have other than the Zeta's
[01:15] <nibi> the guys at the millinium group say many
[01:15] <islander> many are assisting as we have been told
[01:16] <nibi> they claim that there is an armada of spacecrafts in orbit around the sun and jupiter
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[01:16] <islander> recent quote that the crop circles were the work of another life form
[01:17] <nibi> but they say they are here to destroy us....bring about the judgement of the Lord....the day of the Lord
[01:17] <Freddo> Hi all
[01:17] <islander> he freddo
[01:18] <islander> there is a lot more rumors going on these days, but I tend to try to research for myself
[01:19] <islander> what peices of the puzzle fit etc.
[01:19] <islander> pieces
[01:20] <nibi> the article "the armies of abaddon" was interesting....
[01:21] <nibi> use google and type in that title.....the millinium group wrote it
[01:22] <nibi> also "the armada of tarshish"
[01:23] <nibi> they claim earth is presently surrounded by unbelievably advanced spaceships and we are about to get trashed big time
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[01:29] <nibi> joel chapter 2 sounds like an alien invasion...so does isaiah 13....."they come from a far country, from the end of heaven- the Lord and His weapons of indignation, to destroy the whole land. wail, for the day of the Lord is at hand!"
[01:33] <nibi> so maybe the rods are intelligence gathering enities
[01:33] <nibi> gathering information before the big fire
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[01:34] <Ixtalan> Hello...
[01:35] <Ixtalan> is there anybody out there.......?
[01:35] <nibi> the "sun cruisers" spotted by the soho satellite are charging some kind of huge heat capacitor to enable them to scorch the earth when they discharge it
[01:35] <Ixtalan> just nod if you can hear me.....
[01:36] <islander> we can hear you Ixtalan
[01:36] <Ixtalan> I saw you nod...
[01:36] <islander> :)
[01:36] <Ixtalan> ;^p
[01:39] <Ixtalan> so whats the buzz
[01:40] <nibi> end of the world
[01:40] <Ixtalan> not for me....
[01:40] <nibi> coming soon to an area near you
[01:40] <Ixtalan> I pray for the fall of babylon all the time...
[01:41] <nibi> so do i
[01:41] <nibi> nobody believes me when i tell them who babylon is though
[01:41] <Ixtalan> if nibiru dont happen....then we are in a world of Sh%T
[01:41] <Ixtalan> oh yes.....babylon is over..
[01:42] <Ixtalan> The fourth Riech must not reach maturity....
[01:42] <Ixtalan> the people who support it ...know not what they do...
[01:42] <nibi> lol....good analogy
[01:42] <Ixtalan> its what it is....
[01:42] <Ixtalan> hey...
[01:42] <Ixtalan> anyone know ancient roman history?
[01:43] <nibi> they got too big for their britches
[01:43] <Ixtalan> I am looking for the name of the "sticky" sauce that the roman troops carried with them....
[01:43] <Ixtalan> Stinkey
[01:43] <Ixtalan> because I find similarities in that today as well
[01:44] <nibi> stinkey sauce?
[01:44] <Ixtalan> American troops....or anyone issued american MRE's will recieve a bottle of tabasco with their meal...
[01:44] <Ixtalan> yes the romans used it for everything
[01:44] <Ixtalan> it was made of hot peppers and fish stuff I belive
[01:44] <Ixtalan> so it stunk
[01:45] <Ixtalan> Like this...
[01:45] <nibi> well....considering that on top of the state capital is the statue of Persephone, the roman goddess of hades
[01:45] <nibi> i'm not suprised there are similarities
[01:45] <Ixtalan> do you know that all forms of the salute today comes from the ancient roman straight arm salute that the Nazis implemented
[01:46] <Ixtalan> as well as most Idols representing states across the world today
[01:46] <Ixtalan> Eagle...Cross...etc
[01:47] <nibi> what's up wif zat?....don't they know they are gonna get destroyed?
[01:47] <Ixtalan> and Alexander the Great...(who pronounced himself a GOD in front of rome--started the trend of having all of his troops shave their heads)
[01:48] <Ixtalan> which is a reversal of our natural implanted reaction to long hair
[01:48] <nibi> i guess the immediate rewards of the blood sacrifices....wars.....and the material rewards of power and prosperity are more important
[01:48] <Ixtalan> for them....
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[01:49] <johnnie5> so how many people right here right now have a hole dug into the side of a hill, or what not?
[01:49] <Ixtalan> The sad part is that the citizens of the first world are lulled to complience and REliance on the suffering of ones born in other geographic locations
[01:50] <nibi> ashame....people can't clearly see the pattern....wars aren't good for the economy....they are blood sacrifices made to molech
[01:50] <nibi> baal
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[01:50] <Ixtalan> Baal...the phalic god
[01:50] * juditness is away.. :/ [mail: judit@geekychick.org] at 10:51:54
[01:50] <Ixtalan> i mean Idol
[01:50] <nibi> and the good economy is the reward
[01:50] <Ixtalan> Economy is mostly illusion
[01:51] <Ixtalan> War is the Industry
[01:51] <nibi> it is from blood offerings....the economy
[01:51] <Ixtalan> nibi....what is your sign
[01:52] <nibi> everytime the economy begins to falter....the same thing occurs....sacrifice....death offerings to satan
[01:52] <nibi> aries
[01:52] <Ixtalan> ahh...
[01:52] <Ixtalan> virgo....so I am all too aware of the patterns
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[01:53] <Ixtalan> satan.....yeah their internal satan.....their ceasless want for power
[01:53] <Ixtalan> and control
[01:53] <Ixtalan> for order in chaos
[01:53] <Ixtalan> with no harmony
[01:53] <Ixtalan> true service to self
[01:53] <nibi> but satan can never be satisfied.....he will only demand more
[01:54] <Ixtalan> well.......
[01:54] <nibi> ixt....use google and read "armies of abaddon" and "the armadas of tarshish"....very interesting
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[01:55] <Ixtalan> I belive that the belif in satan is a blinder
[01:55] <Ixtalan> satan as an entity
[01:55] <nibi> entity?
[01:55] <Ixtalan> sitting and stealing souls.....in a pit of fire
[01:56] <Ixtalan> thats hogwash
[01:56] <nibi> as in?....an angel?...he is....and he is here on earth...he isn't in hell...yet
[01:57] <nibi> abaddon is the angel of hell...abaddon will see over satan when he is put there
[01:57] <Ixtalan> .....how can there be a hell......external to god....it does not make sense.....
[01:57] <Ixtalan> hell is when you hide behind your personalities
[01:57] <Ixtalan> when you denie truth
[01:58] <Ixtalan> and imbode in lies
[01:58] <Ixtalan> you do not die to go there
[01:58] <Ixtalan> you live there
[01:58] <Ixtalan> it is a frame of being
[01:58] <Ixtalan> and it can be padded in silks and gold
[01:58] <Ixtalan> Truth hurts.....because it is true
[01:58] <Ixtalan> lies rot
[01:59] <nibi> truth is like a sword
[01:59] <Ixtalan> somtimes
[01:59] <nibi> as in JC with the sword coming from His mouth
[01:59] <Ixtalan> a Sword with a Virus
[02:00] <Ixtalan> lol
[02:00] <Ixtalan> good truth
[02:00] <nibi> it will cut down the liars
[02:00] <Ixtalan> you see .....Jesus is here as well
[02:01] <nibi> maybe...who knows
[02:01] <Ixtalan> and now Jesus is waking our hearts
[02:01] <Ixtalan> the worlds heart
[02:01] <Ixtalan> have you ever heard of a Protest....Before a WAR...
[02:01] <Ixtalan> lol
[02:01] <nibi> i know the govt sure is interested in typing all babies born anywhere....cord blood samples from every child born
[02:01] <Ixtalan> oh yes
[02:01] <nibi> could they be looking for something?
[02:01] <Ixtalan> well think of this
[02:02] <Ixtalan> you know the fish
[02:02] <Ixtalan> right
[02:02] <Ixtalan> the ancient symbol of the Grey Robed christians
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[02:02] <Ixtalan> who were hunted to the ends of the earth....
[02:02] <Ixtalan> especially by the church
[02:03] <Ixtalan> well take a piece of paper....right now
[02:03] <Ixtalan> and a pen
[02:03] <Ixtalan> and Draw the first part.....
[02:03] <nibi> not familiar with the grey-robed christians....draw the fish?
[02:03] <Ixtalan> which is a line that is like a soft S on its side
[02:03] <Ixtalan> only one side
[02:03] <Ixtalan> is it done
[02:03] <Ixtalan> ?
[02:04] <Ixtalan> please continue to draw a wave with that line....
[02:04] <Ixtalan> then draw the matching pair......
[02:04] <Ixtalan> and extend the line
[02:04] <Ixtalan> you now have the double helix
[02:04] <Ixtalan> DNA
[02:05] <Ixtalan> I belive that the Jesus fish is just a segment of that natural formation
[02:05] <nibi> uhhh....yes?
[02:05] <nibi> so what are you saying?...cut to the chase
[02:06] <Ixtalan> well.....I am saying that there is one love.....
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[02:06] <Ixtalan> and it is in our every cell....
[02:07] <Ixtalan> I am not worried about the Satan force in the leaders and their followers.......
[02:07] <Ixtalan> their worldly mistakes will all be well soon
[02:08] <Ixtalan> and we can actually concentrait once again with LIFE
[02:08] <Ixtalan> not bills
[02:08] <Ixtalan> and crap
[02:08] <Ixtalan> and wars
[02:09] <Ixtalan> I am saying that we must remember history.......
[02:09] <nibi> what about isaiah 24?....revelation 6?.....the 1000 years of peace will come....but first...destruction
[02:09] <Ixtalan> yes of course
[02:09] <Ixtalan> that is ok
[02:09] <Ixtalan> how else would the pheonix be born again if not first consumed by itself?
[02:09] <nibi> i'm cool with it
[02:10] <Ixtalan> I am at peace with it as well
[02:10] <nibi> i deserve it....lol...i'm a sts dirtbag....
[02:10] <Ixtalan> sts?
[02:11] <nibi> service-to-self....a term used by the zetas for anybody who's selfish or self-serving
[02:11] <nibi> as opposed to service-to-others
[02:11] <Ixtalan> are you sure
[02:11] <nibi> man is carnal
[02:11] <Ixtalan> We all think about ourselves
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[02:12] <nibi> there is no salvation for man by himself....only through JC
[02:12] <Ixtalan> man is never by himself
[02:12] <Ixtalan> dont let dogma warp your self imagery.....
[02:12] <Ixtalan> dont forget.......
[02:13] <Ixtalan> Jesus is us
[02:13] <Ixtalan> there is no escape.....
[02:13] <Ixtalan> there is nothing else
[02:13] <nibi> that makes me suspicious of the "zetas"....because there is no such thing as a fully sto human...it's not in our nature
[02:13] <nibi> there's always nibiru....lol
[02:14] <Ixtalan> nibiru is awesome.....
[02:14] <Ixtalan> a hammer of god
[02:14] <nibi> nature's broom
[02:14] <Ixtalan> the fact that it exists shows us so much
[02:15] <nibi> what convinced you that it exists?
[02:15] <Ixtalan> fully sto....
[02:15] <Ixtalan> I think the perceptions of Jesus have been brought to un-reasonalble hights
[02:16] <Ixtalan> not with his miricles mind you
[02:16] <nibi> there is a term for a fully sto....they are called slaves
[02:16] <Ixtalan> we are slaves now
[02:17] <Ixtalan> service to self is someone who tells the truth.....who listens....who aids.....
[02:17] <Ixtalan> you do this
[02:17] <Ixtalan> even if you are not aware of it...
[02:17] <nibi> no
[02:17] <Ixtalan> no
[02:18] <Ixtalan> then you are making a conciense decision to not help anyone>?
[02:18] <nibi> i lie all the time.....i get mad and have lusts and greed
[02:18] <nibi> i am carnal by nature
[02:18] <Ixtalan> I get mad.....have lusts.....greed...well that is abiding...but is of course present
[02:18] <nibi> depends on who they are and what the situation is
[02:18] <Ixtalan> we are all carnal
[02:18] <Ixtalan> so was jesus
[02:19] <Ixtalan> Jesus was ......a man
[02:19] <Ixtalan> flesh and bone.....Soul and spirit......man
[02:20] <Ixtalan> like I said
[02:20] <Ixtalan> Becarefull not to let dogmas blind you
[02:20] <Ixtalan> listen to your heart
[02:20] <nibi> the line is drawn by what you believe...you can be a great humanitarian...but that is of the world......
[02:21] <Ixtalan> end of the world?
[02:21] <Ixtalan> or rebirth
[02:21] <nibi> it's as simple as what is in your heart, because that is what God will see
[02:21] <Ixtalan> so you feel unworthy?
[02:21] <nibi> of course
[02:21] <Ixtalan> unworthy of Gods love?
[02:22] <nibi> as all mankind is
[02:22] <Ixtalan> thats mental.....thats a mental barrier.......
[02:22] <Ixtalan> no one is unworthy
[02:22] <Ixtalan> OneLove
[02:22] <nibi> that is in some way why JC came here
[02:22] <Ixtalan> Do you know what Christ means....
[02:22] <Ixtalan> your a christian ....?....correct?
[02:23] <nibi> i'm a sts guy who reads the bible
[02:23] <Ixtalan> well ok....its a book
[02:23] <Ixtalan> it holds truth and lies....
[02:23] <Ixtalan> not to mention total with holdings
[02:23] <nibi> ahhh....so now i see
[02:23] <Ixtalan> what....
[02:24] <nibi> well that is where we differ....God is always right.....the bible is infallible...to me
[02:24] <Ixtalan> God is allways right?
[02:24] <Ixtalan> God is God....
[02:24] <nibi> alllllways
[02:24] <Ixtalan> the name is ''''YAHWEH""
[02:24] <Ixtalan> which means I AM
[02:25] <Ixtalan> when you say...." I AM unworthy of GODS love...
[02:25] <nibi> we are not God...or Jesus....we can only aspire to be like JC
[02:25] <Ixtalan> your saying God is unworthy to love God
[02:25] <Ixtalan> aspire?
[02:25] <Ixtalan> bolognie
[02:25] <nibi> we can NEVER approach being like Him
[02:26] <Ixtalan> ........Not if you dont belive in Jesus
[02:26] <nibi> wer bloom and wither and die.....dust
[02:26] <Ixtalan> our bodies
[02:26] <nibi> our voices fade away and become nothingness....God's words never change and are always there
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[02:27] <Ixtalan> They do change
[02:27] <Ixtalan> they have changed so many times
[02:27] <Ixtalan> seriously
[02:27] <Ixtalan> Take off the blinders
[02:27] <Ixtalan> the world of GOD is here
[02:27] <Ixtalan> RIGHT NOW
[02:27] <Ixtalan> never left
[02:27] <Ixtalan> and everyone is Invited
[02:27] <Ixtalan> there is no hell....
[02:27] <nibi> ok, demetrius....lol
[02:27] <Ixtalan> it is an Impossibility .....and God would never send anyone there....
[02:28] <Ixtalan> only you can place yourself there
[02:28] <Ixtalan> when you denie
[02:28] <Ixtalan> your in hell right now....and you can know that all day long.....
[02:28] <Ixtalan> but can you belive that with out seeing it...
[02:28] <Ixtalan> WE are Jesus
[02:28] <Ixtalan> the same
[02:29] <Ixtalan> and I will prove it right now
[02:29] <Ixtalan> Jesus walked on the water.....correct
[02:29] <Ixtalan> but he was not alone....
[02:29] <nibi> yes....he had a disciple walk momentarily torwards him
[02:29] <Ixtalan> and Jesus did not perform magic to lift and allow his mate to walk on the water
[02:29] <nibi> but he sank
[02:30] <Ixtalan> yes...
[02:30] <Ixtalan> when he looked at the water.....
[02:30] <Ixtalan> and realized that he was doing it
[02:30] <Ixtalan> And got a little freaked.
[02:30] <Ixtalan> which is why he sunk
[02:30] <Ixtalan> and what did Jesus say?
[02:30] <Ixtalan> Oh ye....of little faith
[02:31] <Ixtalan> not faith in Jesus...as obcviously all his Deciples belived....
[02:31] <Ixtalan> but in himself
[02:31] <Ixtalan> he could not belive that he was doing it
[02:31] <nibi> maybe....
[02:31] <Ixtalan> one love
[02:31] <nibi> but who would?
[02:31] <Ixtalan> thats the point
[02:31] <Ixtalan> once he remember that
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[02:31] <Ixtalan> he had to belive in himself
[02:32] <sotos> hello all
[02:32] <Ixtalan> he rose back to the surface with Jesus
[02:32] <nibi> or in JC
[02:32] <Ixtalan> hello
[02:32] <Ixtalan> HE DID BELIVE IN JC...
[02:32] <Ixtalan> not in himself...
[02:32] <nibi> the power of JC to raise him up
[02:32] <Ixtalan> no
[02:32] <Ixtalan> no
[02:32] <Ixtalan> no n
[02:32] <Ixtalan> noinononoonononono
[02:32] <Ixtalan> It was himself....
[02:33] <Ixtalan> that is the Divine Dicotomy that you are missing
[02:33] <Ixtalan> you belive that God could do all of everything while we sit around and try to act on our best behavior
[02:33] <Ixtalan> The Christian Religion and the Book they claim is Gods word is False
[02:34] <Ixtalan> and that is an easy thing to show
[02:34] <sotos> true
[02:34] <nibi> God will favor the simple homeless man sleeping in a cardboard box over any fancy theoretical new age religion guru
[02:34] <Ixtalan> as all Christian based religion is a spawn of the Catolic church
[02:35] <Ixtalan> which was formed by the Roman Empire to control the large and growing Christian peoples
[02:35] <nibi> i just read the bible...i know catholicism is false
[02:35] <Ixtalan> and it is the only surviving original member of the Empire
[02:35] <nibi> anybody who claims to speak for God is false
[02:35] <Ixtalan> Well....guess what
[02:35] <Ixtalan> The Catholics HAD total Control of the Bible
[02:35] <Ixtalan> UNCHECKED
[02:35] <Ixtalan> for 1200 years
[02:36] <Ixtalan> Thats where the book comes from
[02:36] <Ixtalan> as I said
[02:36] <Ixtalan> Truth ....and LIES
[02:36] <Ixtalan> and lots of Omitance
[02:36] <nibi> but they didn't change it...because they are implicated as being false prophets in the bible
[02:36] <Ixtalan> They did
[02:36] <Ixtalan> They are refered to as Babylon
[02:37] <Ixtalan> not Catholics
[02:37] <Ixtalan> or ROmans
[02:37] <Ixtalan> or Bush
[02:37] <Ixtalan> Babylon is Civilization
[02:37] <Ixtalan> I mean ....Babylon had Laws before the Jews did
[02:37] <Ixtalan> and if you look at the 10 commandments.....
[02:38] <nibi> mystery babylon is the u.s.
[02:38] <Ixtalan> they are IDENTICAL to the Laws of HAmmerabi
[02:38] <Ixtalan> yes....
[02:38] <sotos> Sorry guys....Is there any page from yesterdays session with nancy?
[02:38] <Ixtalan> The Fourth Generation Roman Empire
[02:38] <Ixtalan> I dont kmow
[02:38] <sotos> I lost it
[02:38] <nibi> and the beast is the catholic church
[02:39] <Ixtalan> well you can interpret prophacy all you want
[02:39] <Ixtalan> the battle for the soul is internal
[02:39] <Ixtalan> the outside world is mearly the scoreboard
[02:39] <Ixtalan> we are creating our reality at all times
[02:39] <Ixtalan> it is up to us
[02:39] <Ixtalan> The Truth is a Virus....
[02:39] <Ixtalan> Just like Love
[02:39] <nibi> watch left behind part 2.....:)
[02:40] <Ixtalan> when one Person opens their heart...it allows it to be easier to reach others
[02:40] <Ixtalan> crap
[02:40] <nibi> the nwo leader said those same things....the antichrist
[02:40] <Ixtalan> of course
[02:40] <Ixtalan> its not a hard thing to see
[02:40] <Ixtalan> Dont you understand
[02:40] <Ixtalan> That the ones in power
[02:40] <nibi> no heaven or hell....just "us"
[02:41] <nibi> but that is false.....
[02:41] <Ixtalan> ARE making the Prophacy come true
[02:41] <Ixtalan> What is false
[02:41] <nibi> there is a heaven and there is a hell
[02:41] <Ixtalan> Where is hell?
[02:41] <Ixtalan> .....
[02:41] <Ixtalan> ....
[02:41] <Ixtalan> ...
[02:41] <Ixtalan> Tell me its hot.......
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[02:42] <Ixtalan> Tell me about Fire and Brimstone
[02:42] <Ixtalan> so I can Laugh
[02:42] <Ixtalan> all day long
[02:42] <Ixtalan> ITs a crock of SHITE
[02:42] <Ixtalan> There is no reason for hell
[02:42] <Ixtalan> God loves
[02:42] <Ixtalan> And because God is All
[02:42] <Ixtalan> There is nothing that is not god
[02:42] <Ixtalan> there is nothing outside........
[02:43] <Ixtalan> so if you mean hell is Oblivion....and that the force known as Satan which is blamed and shifted
[02:43] <Ixtalan> Outside is inside
[02:43] <Ixtalan> there is no where to go
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[02:44] <nibi> Jesus....mark9:43 "if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. it is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched."
[02:46] <nibi> the sword
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[02:48] <Ixtalan> ..........
[02:48] <Ixtalan> so your hands are in charge ......
[02:48] <Ixtalan> lol
[02:48] <Ixtalan> so easy to hide
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[05:17] <Mb> yo2
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[05:17] <Earth420> Early mornin?
[05:19] <Earth420> Everyone busy?
[05:19] <Earth420> Yeah, you are cool, huh?
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[05:39] <Mugada> G'day all
[05:40] <Mugada> bye 4 now
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[05:45] <fetus> anyone around?
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[06:03] <fetus> hello?
[06:03] <QueenVee> hi fetus
[06:04] <fetus> hey qv..
[06:04] <QueenVee> you're up early
[06:04] <fetus> I've got a mission :)
[06:04] <fetus> very early
[06:04] <QueenVee> ha
[06:04] <fetus> im gonna try and book time at this observatory...  http://www.ucalgary.ca/~milone/RAO.html
[06:04] <QueenVee> very cool!
[06:04] <fetus> just found it this morning
[06:04] <QueenVee> go fetus, go fetus, go fetus
[06:04] <fetus> :)
[06:05] <QueenVee> very exciting
[06:05] <fetus> yes
[06:06] <fetus> droped them an email....still looking for a phone number though
[06:08] <QueenVee> wonder how long it will take to book time
[06:08] <fetus> me to...
[06:08] <QueenVee> well, hopefully no later than May 15th.....
[06:09] <fetus> im very curious about the response i will get.
[06:09] <QueenVee> ;-)
[06:09] <fetus> yes
[06:09] <fetus> i cant imagine observatory time being booked solid like that...unless.....................
[06:09] <fetus> :)
[06:10] <QueenVee> sorry, brb
[06:11] <fetus> Recent initiatives have been made to refurbish this telescope as a fast survey device for early identification of Near Earth Objects (NEOs) as well as variable stars (MACHOS, supernovae, and other variables). As a conseqeunce there is strong interest in both the Physics & Astronomy Department as well as in the Geology & Geophysics Department in developing this facility.
[06:11] <fetus>  - from their wepage
[06:13] <fetus> lets hope i can elbow my way in between all the geo-whats-its and physical astronamo's :)
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[06:22] <Earth420> Mornin?
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[06:24] <Earth420> Where are you from woogles?
[06:24] <woogles> Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
[06:24] <QueenVee> good morning all
[06:25] <Earth420> whats uppa home girl
[06:25] <QueenVee> well, i'm putting out the word today that i'm in the market for a new dog companion....
[06:25] <QueenVee> hopefully i'll have another one as wonderful as the last one in my life soon
[06:26] <Earth420> hmmmm... not man right?
[06:26] <QueenVee> i find that dogs tend to find me.....
[06:26] <Earth420> Where I come from thats how we say it
[06:26] <QueenVee> i lost my 16 year old cocker spaniel recently...
[06:26] <Earth420> 16? Lived long...
[06:26] <QueenVee> yes, a very full and wonderful life
[06:27] <QueenVee> our cat misses him something awful...
[06:27] <Earth420> I think it happens that they do not live as long as us  cuz we would really miss um!
[06:30] <Earth420> Could I ask where you are at Queen? Or no?
[06:30] <woogles> Their heart rates are faster, thus they live shorter. Same with humming birds and what not. There is actually this amazing correlation on earth in which all creatures seem to share the same average maximum number of heartbeats per lifetime (assuming nothing else kills them)
[06:30] <QueenVee> southwestern ontario canada
[06:31] <QueenVee> well, the general rule of thumb is the bigger the dog, the shorter the life...
[06:34] <Earth420> Lots of Canadians I am meeting! Wonderful. I give props to yo country...
[06:37] <Earth420> You will fair well, not like me, I am an ant about to have the kiddie pool dumped. But its all good in the neighborhood!
[06:38] <QueenVee> yes, i'm fortunate to be in a good area, though there are still significant risks involved
[06:38] <woogles> This safe places article seems to contradict itself. Take my province for example, no place is 100 miles away, and not many are > 200 ft up. On top of this, if the water level increases 600 some ft, but we only gain 150 ft as suggested, we would still be quite well underwater.
[06:38] <QueenVee> we are between two of the Great Lakes, far enough inland according to ZT, but it's still a worry...
[06:41] <QueenVee> woogles: how many miles across is Nova Scotia at its broadest point?
[06:41] <Earth420> Yes, me on the west coast, I think I will deal with the tidal wave, but that my chances are as good as they will get for any one by the coast as me
[06:42] <woogles> Max distance from water you could probably get..75 I'd estimate.
[06:43] <QueenVee> and the highest elevation?
[06:43] <woogles> hmm, I'd have to check that one.
[06:43] <Earth420> I am at 3550 barometric feet approx, live in what they call the Inland Empire. The rains did not faz us here, being that our Lake is dried up, and last summer o mass fish died
[06:44] <Earth420> Everyone by us here had flooding and mudslides, but not us, all the water went into the lake, which still has some ways to go
[06:45] <QueenVee> Earth420: yes, but as pointed out by ZT, the southern california coast will be subject to tidal bore -- the water will CLIMB and the waves wash over the mountains
[06:45] <Earth420> Riverside County, as I was reading in the paper, largest egg producer, had to kill over a million chickens due to some disease
[06:46] <Earth420> I think I read Cayce somewhere, Calli in islands?
[06:46] <Earth420> Something like that, I guess I need to look into that more.
[06:46] <woogles> Nova Scotias highest elevation is 1800 ft! Egads, the things I wish they had taught me in school.
[06:47] <QueenVee> woogles: let's pose a question at the next ZT session, about nova scotia....
[06:48] <woogles> Well there is info on the thing already, but my lack of knowledge combined with my lack of understanding is creating the problems I think.
[06:48] <QueenVee> woogles: well, i share your lack of understanding....
[06:48] <Earth420> Do you think we could ask a question in regard to the possibility of islands in calli? I am in the same boat Woogles in a way... i think I am high enough, yet I am not?
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[06:49] <QueenVee> Earth420: no, the ZT material is clear on your area
[06:49] <Ogmios> hi
[06:49] <QueenVee> as much as you wish it said something different
[06:49] <QueenVee> hello ogmios
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[06:50] <Ogmios> i was so sleepy last night that fell asleep during zt
[06:50] <Earth420> But, it says that it will only go so many feet inland... even if it floods in 600 ft I am over that...
[06:50] <Ogmios> so what i missed
[06:50] <QueenVee> Earth420: no, it does NOT say that....
[06:51] <Earth420> All well. I am a good swimmer. I believe in this, yet have no where to go.
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[06:53] <QueenVee> hello Latcho -- what brings you to this room>
[06:54] <Latcho> Well, i had a holliday-job once @ the media-park in Hilversum (NL)
[06:55] <Latcho> I abbused the printer over there to print the whole zeta-talk site
[06:55] <QueenVee> and...?
[06:55] <Latcho> It was more than a Bible to read
[06:56] <Latcho> this way I subscribed once to the TT yahoogroub
[06:56] <Latcho> for some reasons the messages were going to my junkmail
[06:56] <Latcho> for a year I didn't think about nor read some of this stuff
[06:56] <QueenVee> Latcho: so what are you doing to prepare for the poleshift?
[06:57] <Latcho> to be honest nothing
[06:58] <Latcho> I'd love to meet somebody whom I can talk about thit matter in real life
[06:58] <QueenVee> so why are you in this chat room?
[06:58] <QueenVee> please take note:
[06:58] <QueenVee> 'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[06:58] <Latcho> so somebody can get me on the wright path
[06:58] <QueenVee> only you can get you on the right path
[06:58] <Latcho> was this message for me ?
[06:58] <Earth420> How can we prepare or talk about plans to start if we have a "death wish"?
[06:58] <QueenVee> you should start by reading and absorbing the basics about preparation on the zetatalk site -- the POLESHIFT section
[06:59] <QueenVee> Earth420: obviously you can't, if you have a death wish
[06:59] <Latcho> the all others move to zetatalk-site ?
[06:59] <Earth420> I dont even know how to prepare when it seems as though I am destined to die
[07:00] <QueenVee> Earth420: well, i guess you need to prepare to die
[07:00] <Latcho> :)
[07:00] <Latcho> well I'm not scared, but I have a feeling that I will survive because I AM mentally prepared
[07:00] <Earth420> Yeah right! As I am just going to lay there and suck the water up and not do nothing! Humans have survived the pole shift in the past, Humans are more capable then we give credit. The will to survive
[07:01] <QueenVee> Latcho: if you do not move to a safer location than the Netherlands, you will die
[07:01] <QueenVee> so what are your relocation plans?
[07:02] <Latcho> Wasn't there a place with a chalk crust that was safer ?
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[07:03] <Latcho> I really don't know
[07:03] <Latcho> you tell me
[07:03] <QueenVee> Latcho: read the SAFE LOCATIONS section of the zetatalk site
[07:03] <Latcho> thanx
[07:03] <QueenVee> i'm not going to tell you, latcho -- you need to read the site
[07:03] <Latcho> still got the reader
[07:03] <QueenVee> hello marstrax -- what brings you to this room?>
[07:03] <Latcho> I printed it darling
[07:04] <QueenVee> then go read it darling
[07:04] <Latcho> it was next to my bed, not to say in my bed for a year
[07:04] <Latcho> I know, I'm late
[07:04] <Latcho> but I'm a deadliner ;)
[07:04] <Latcho> where do you live now ?
[07:04] <Latcho> & before ?
[07:05] <QueenVee> well, latcho, this is not a chat room to help you further procrastinate and delay. come back when you have some serious relocation and preparation plans to discuss here
[07:05] <QueenVee> ok?
[07:05] <Latcho> got it
[07:05] <QueenVee> Marstrax: ARE YOU THERE?
[07:06] <QueenVee> bye Latcho
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[07:08] <Earth420> I am too poor Queen. I cant relocate. Wanted to see how others are preparing. I have my seeds, and weapons, but that is all right now...
[07:08] <QueenVee> marstrax: what brings you to this room?
[07:09] <woogles> You can relocate without buying a house...
[07:09] <Earth420> How woogles?
[07:09] <marstrax> to meet others who prepare
[07:09] <QueenVee> mastrax: how long have you been aware of the coming poleshift and zetatalk?
[07:09] <woogles> well, live outside for one thing, I'm talking a bit closer to the actual date here mind you.
[07:10] <marstrax> the poleshift ive known for a long time
[07:10] <marstrax> 3+ years
[07:10] <QueenVee> what part of the world do you live in, marstrax?
[07:11] <marstrax> granby, canada
[07:11] <QueenVee> hail, fellow canuck
[07:11] <QueenVee> granby is in bc, yes?
[07:11] <marstrax> :)
[07:11] <marstrax> youre canadian to ?
[07:11] <marstrax> no
[07:11] <QueenVee> sorry, where is granby?
[07:11] <QueenVee> i'm in southwestern ontario
[07:11] <QueenVee> woogles is in nova scotia
[07:11] <marstrax> its in quebec
[07:12] <marstrax> oh thats neat
[07:12] <QueenVee> ah, ok -- is it safe? far enough away from the St Lawrence?
[07:12] <marstrax> hi woogles
[07:12] <woogles> hello
[07:13] <marstrax> no i have to move :(
[07:13] <QueenVee> where are you looking to relocate?
[07:13] <marstrax> damn these kids wont stope fighting
[07:14] <QueenVee> lock them in their rooms
[07:14] <Earth420> HA!
[07:14] <marstrax> highest place i suppose
[07:14] <marstrax> i cant im babysitting them
[07:15] <marstrax> http://www.samsara2003.com/main-page.htm
[07:15] <QueenVee> at what point will you establish your relocation place?
[07:16] <marstrax> well soon now
[07:16] <marstrax> maybe in 2 months hopefully
[07:16] <QueenVee> maybe?
[07:16] <marstrax> well if not 3
[07:17] <marstrax> i will have to live in a tent
[07:18] <QueenVee> and how are you preparing for the aftertime?
[07:19] <marstrax> hello ??
[07:19] <Earth420> I gots to go Queen, thanks for your time, and maybe I will be back with proof I will survive so that I may start preparing for the aftertime, and to meet with others
[07:20] <QueenVee> proof you will survive?
[07:20] <QueenVee> what would that be?
[07:20] <Earth420> I know, crazy!
[07:20] <QueenVee> yep, pretty looney
[07:20] <Earth420> I'll need to get that so you will be my homie.
[07:20] <QueenVee> you're not going to meet others in your area here who are not preparing to move
[07:21] <marstrax> [08/01/02] NASA researchers find Earth's gravitational field is suddenly changing for unknown reasons. The Zetas explain why.
[07:21] <QueenVee> where is that from, marstrax?
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[07:21] <Ogmios> ppl think me odd enough. if i tell them i believe that end times are near. they put me to mental hospital
[07:23] <QueenVee> marstrax: where did you get the following:  [08/01/02] NASA researchers find Earth's gravitational field is suddenly changing for unknown reasons. The Zetas explain why.
[07:24] <marstrax> a website why ?
[07:25] <QueenVee> well, it would be nice if we could read it....
[07:25] <QueenVee> don't quite get why you posted it....
[07:25] <QueenVee> can you provide the URL of the site you got it from?
[07:26] <marstrax> just to let you read it
[07:26] <marstrax> i posted the url before
[07:26] <marstrax> [08/01/02] NASA researchers find Earth's gravitational field is suddenly changing for unknown reasons. The Zetas explain why.
[07:26] <marstrax> oops
[07:26] <marstrax> http://www.samsara2003.com/main-page.htm
[07:26] <marstrax> good sit4e
[07:26] <marstrax> all the evidence
[07:26] <marstrax> hard evidence
[07:26] <QueenVee> thank you, yes, know samsara's site very well -- he comes to this room frequently
[07:27] <marstrax> neat
[07:27] <marstrax> i dont like that other guy
[07:27] <marstrax> who put youre address up and stuff
[07:27] <QueenVee> ?
[07:27] <marstrax> hes a moron
[07:27] <marstrax> zetatalk.org
[07:29] <QueenVee> yeah, really strange guy
[07:29] <marstrax> yes
[07:29] <QueenVee> i have to disappear for a bit. i'll be back later....
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[07:30] <marstrax> ok bye
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[07:55] <from_Texas> Ogmios: how cold is it?
[07:56] <Ogmios> today -20C
[07:56] <Ogmios> at night -25c
[07:56] <from_Texas> that is way too cold for me
[07:57] <Ogmios> ppl are tougher here..hehe
[07:57] <Ogmios> have to be
[07:57] <from_Texas> that would have to be true
[07:58] <from_Texas> do you go outside in the weather much
[07:59] <Ogmios> no..only crazy ppl go if this cold
[07:59] <from_Texas> how long will it stay that cold
[08:00] <Ogmios> this isnt normal
[08:00] <Ogmios> cant say
[08:00] <Ogmios> can be weeks
[08:00] <from_Texas> so you have to keep some food stocks
[08:00] <Ogmios> weather hasnt been normal for long time now
[08:01] <fetus> ogimos...where are you?
[08:01] <Ogmios> finland
[08:01] <Ogmios> crops were really bad last year
[08:01] <Ogmios> lack of rain
[08:02] <Ogmios> the wells are almost empty
[08:02] <fetus> its +5'C here in calgary alberta should be more like -20 this time of year.
[08:03] <fetus> also bone dry...crops also very bad here
[08:03] <Ogmios> not even much snow this year
[08:03] <Ogmios> just cold
[08:04] <Ogmios> and dry
[08:04] <from_Texas> you gave us a weather link for finland the other day... got you give that again.. I want to bookmark it
[08:04] <Ogmios> winter began in october
[08:05] <Ogmios> we really didnt have fall
[08:05] <Ogmios> straight from summer to winter
[08:06] <Ogmios> http://www.fmi.fi/en/index.html
[08:06] <from_Texas> Ogmios: thanks
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[08:10] <Ogmios> seems it gets warmer next week
[08:11] <Ogmios> lowpressure front coming
[08:11] <The> yeah, where are you from?
[08:11] <Ogmios> finland
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[08:13] <Ogmios> phoenicians named this land
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[08:18] <QueenVee> hello
[08:18] <from_Texas> HELLO
[08:19] <QueenVee> Hello Insomnia -- what brings you to this room?
[08:20] <QueenVee> tex: is this your day off?
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[08:20] <QueenVee> hi obany
[08:20] <obany> hi
[08:20] <from_Texas> QueenVee: yes
[08:20] <Ogmios> hello obany
[08:21] <obany> hello ogmios
[08:21] <QueenVee> tex: nice, days off are good
[08:21] <from_Texas> indeed
[08:22] <obany> sigh himitsu on sci.astro accusing Nancy of racism
[08:23] <QueenVee> uh.... racism....?
[08:23] <QueenVee> lemme guess, she's a Zeta Supremacist?
[08:23] <obany> fter reading the chat logs from today, I noticed the below little gem. Not
[08:23] <obany> that I am a big fan of illegal immigration, I do try to not look down on
[08:23] <obany> the poor people driven to such desperation that they brave the desert of
[08:23] <obany> the southwest. I don't think I really need to point out the comment she
[08:23] <obany> made. It is an interesting little glimpse into her thinking.
[08:23] <obany> [12:55] <QueenVee>   NEXT QUESTION: ZT has suggested that travel may be
[08:23] <obany> restricted in some areas in the weeks prior to the poleshift....
[08:23] <obany> [12:55] <QueenVee>  Will such restrictions be imposed primarily by
[08:23] <obany> governments in order to control panic? Or will travel be restricted more by
[08:23] <obany> weather/earth conditions? Will there be a significant uptick in severe
[08:23] <obany> weather, quakes, etc. in the 7 weeks prior to the shift, and should we take
[08:24] <obany> that into account when making travel plans?
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[08:24] <obany> [12:55] <NancyL> ZT: Travel restrictions will likely be imposed by
[08:24] <obany> governments in response to migrations, but not until this occurs.
[08:24] <obany> [12:56] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, this will vary by country, within country, and in
[08:24] <obany> truth is in place LONG before pole shift issues such as weather changes and
[08:24] <obany> increasing starvation occurred.
[08:24] <obany> [12:56] <NancyL> ZT: The US has restrictions on immigration from Central
[08:24] <obany> America and Mexico, but wet backs and illegal nannies employed in the US
[08:24] <obany> have been a long standing problem.
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[08:24] <obany> [12:57] <NancyL> ZT: North Korea is starving, the starving children among
[08:24] <obany> the populace creeping into China to raid flields and beg food ongoing for
[08:24] <obany> some years.
[08:24] <obany> --
[08:24] <obany> Remove spammersdelindeest to reply
[08:24] <obany> f=after
[08:24] <QueenVee> wow, they're really grasping at straws now
[08:25] <obany> Yes
[08:26] <obany> and you know himitsu he is hanging around on #troubled_times all the time
[08:26] <QueenVee> sad
[08:26] <QueenVee> he keeps private messaging me, begging me to talk to him
[08:27] <QueenVee> how whacked is that?
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[08:47] <obany> .... to bad what happend with sci.astro it sucks
[08:47] <obany> i mean with troubled_times
[08:47] <QueenVee> yeah, well, it was inevitable
[08:47] <QueenVee> it's just a troll park now
[08:48] <woogles> Your turning your back on people, simply because they have differant views. Instead of discussing these issues, you run away or troll them right back. I fail to see what this attitude accomplishes.
[08:48] <obany> and some of them dragged into the caves where those trolls live ...
[08:49] <obany> woogles: if this happens like daily ...
[08:49] <QueenVee> woogles: i don't troll back, i just ignore them
[08:49] <obany> sooner or later it's makes one tired
[08:49] <QueenVee> woogles: what good would it do for me to discuss with them?
[08:49] <obany> they just want you to agree with them
[08:50] <QueenVee> i don't need to debate whether the poleshift is going to happen or not; i'm satisfied that there is a strong enough probability to prepare; i'm not interested in trying to convince anyone else to do the same, everyone must take responsibility for themselves.
[08:52] <QueenVee> woogles: do you engage with white supremacists? do you "turn your back on them simply because they have different views"?
[08:52] <from_Texas> It is important to keep this room focused.. there are other rooms for debate
[08:52] <obany> brb
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[08:52] <woogles> I don't know any, if I met one I would talk to them, figure out why they believe what they do, and analise whether or not it was worth my effort to try and change those beliefs.
[08:52] <QueenVee> what's weird is the belief of the debunkers that they have some kind of "right" to have access to those who do not want to debate with them
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[08:53] <QueenVee> woogles: yeah, well, you've been here five minutes. the rest of us have been here a lot longer, and we have gone through that process. we analyzed whether it was worth our effort to try and change those beliefs and came to the conclusion that it was not, that it was better to expend effort helping those who want to prepare
[08:54] <woogles> Fair enough.
[08:54] <from_Texas> there is #earthchanges, #zetatalk, #zetatalk101
[08:54] <QueenVee> #troubled_times
[08:54] <from_Texas> yes sorry
[08:54] <obany> woogles: i know about this for almost 8 years now .. and i had my share of the pudding
[08:54] <obany> i know how discussing with those who take it as crap is like
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[08:55] <QueenVee> yeah, we've all paid our dues in that respect -- and can rest of consciences
[08:55] <QueenVee> hello azac
[08:56] <azac> hello QueenVee
[08:56] <azac> I was looking for yesterdays logs, not posted yet I guess
[08:57] <obany> what i mean is like this
[08:57] <obany> Another  example  is  "GZ",  an obscure  devotee  to an  equally obscure
[08:57] <obany> *religion, zetatalk (http://www.zetatalk.com/zetatalk/),  whose naive and
[08:57] <obany> *off the wall  potsts are amusing  and endearing.   This person is buried
[08:57] <obany> *under piles of mud,  verbal abuse, gang-rape (of the  verbal  kind), and
[08:57] <obany> *other forms of polemics that, when the  word  "JEW" would be substituted
[08:57] <obany> *for "sect-member", would fit entirely into Goebbels propaganda machine.
[08:57] <obany> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=zetatalk+GZ&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=47bi77%24ihh%40cantua.canterbury.ac.nz&rnum=4
[08:57] <obany> this from 1995
[08:58] <obany> so yes i had my share
[08:58] <QueenVee> azac: sorry, i took the evening off yesterday, went to a movie, didn't get them done. they'll be up today
[08:58] <azac> no problem thanks
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[08:59] <QueenVee> anybody else see GANGS OF NEW YORK yet?
[08:59] <QueenVee> great film
[09:00] <obany> it's not out here yet, but it's with di caprio right?
[09:00] <obany> i saw some fragments of that movie on a news channel
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[09:25] <obany> hi cmell
[09:25] <cmell-away> hi
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[09:25] <QueenVee> hello cmell
[09:25] <cmell> hello
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[09:26] <cmell> QV that hole in the ice question was misunderstood by nancy :(
[09:27] <QueenVee> yeah, i know
[09:27] <QueenVee> whaddya gonna do?
[09:27] <QueenVee> hello Magnetos
[09:27] <cmell> I dunno
[09:27] <Magnetos> I contacted one of the people in my area on Shift2003 and received no response..and it has been a week since I've sent it.
[09:27] <Magnetos> Hello, QueenVee. ;-)
[09:27] <cmell> just a sec brb
[09:27] <QueenVee> Magnetos: who was that?
[09:28] <Magnetos> The one located in Virginia.
[09:28] <Magnetos> I beleive the name was Pegasi_Tristan.
[09:28] <cmell> hhmmm know that nick
[09:29] <QueenVee> mmm, well, i'd send a follow-up note, just checking that he received it....
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[09:29] <Magnetos> Alright, I'll be sure to do that.
[09:29] <cmell> brb
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[09:30] <Magnetos> By the way, QueenVee, I completed Cosmic Voyage by Courtney Brown.
[09:31] <Magnetos> You asked me to give you my thoughts on it..remember?
[09:31] <QueenVee> yes, what did you think?
[09:31] <Magnetos> It was an excellent book, and you could truly tell that they utilized a more scientific method of remote viewing rather than a highly mystical method..
[09:31] <obany> !down
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[09:31] <obany> !up
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[09:32] <Magnetos> The book seemed somewhat biased towards the greys in my opinion but seem pretty objective overall.
[09:32] <cmell> you have probs obany ?
[09:32] <QueenVee> biased towards the greys?
[09:32] <obany> mmmm can't get ops anymore in troubled times
[09:32] <QueenVee> there are many alien species lumped under the term "greys"....
[09:32] <obany> anyway brb
[09:32] <Magnetos> Yeah, I truly think that he was playing grey advocate in that book.
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[09:33] <Magnetos> Well, the Zetans, excuse me.
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[09:33] <QueenVee> well, do you have evidence that the Zetans should not be advocated for?
[09:34] <from_Texas> hi tied2
[09:34] <tied2> hello ya ll
[09:34] <QueenVee> if you believe there is an accurate source for what he writes, why do you doubt what he has to say about the zetas?
[09:34] <Magnetos> Well, I truly believe that the Zetan's lack diplomacy skills just based on accounts given by abductees.
[09:34] <Magnetos> I don't doubt it at all.
[09:34] <QueenVee> Magnetos: well, they are ALIENS, therefore they are likely to be quite ALIEN from us....
[09:35] <Magnetos> I just believe that his accounst were overly positive. In his accounts of his remote viewing sessions, he always intentionally avoided negative subjects.
[09:35] <obany> Magnetos: you forget the fact, that there are more aliens that look like grey, that the Service to Other Zetas had problems with those of STS
[09:35] <Magnetos> No, the Zetas were specified as the group.
[09:35] <Magnetos> Zetans.
[09:35] <Magnetos> I just don't believe their lack of diplomacy should be excused so simply.
[09:36] <Magnetos> And, instead, humans should demand a higher level of diplomacy if they wish to work with us further in the future.
[09:36] <Magnetos> After all, they need us just as much as we need them.
[09:36] <QueenVee> Magnetos: as explained in ZT, all so called "abductees" agreed to participate in the hybrid program before birth, and have only  interpreted their experiences as negative because of their lack of conscious awareness....
[09:36] <obany> Magnetos: i kinda disagree with you .. magnetos
[09:37] <QueenVee> Magnetos: that's silly, we're in no position to "demand" anything
[09:37] <Magnetos> Actually, we are.
[09:37] <QueenVee> especially to demand that alien species be more human
[09:37] <obany> queenvee; not exactly either, ... not all contactees have a pre birht agreement
[09:37] <QueenVee> they are probably being as "diplomatic" as they are able to
[09:37] <Magnetos> Exactly, obany..
[09:37] <cmell> back
[09:38] <Magnetos> Not be more human but be more understanding of humanity..after all, they can understand highly technological concepts.
[09:38] <QueenVee> obany: i didn't say all contactees, i said those involved in the hybrid program
[09:38] <Magnetos> Oh, and as per the pre-birth agreement, I noticed a great contradiction in that area..
[09:38] <QueenVee> Magnetos: has it occurred to you that they have probably made a huge leap in terms of their level of understanding about humans?
[09:38] <Magnetos> Firstly, the premise is made that this agreement is made on the subspace level at pre-birth. It must, for the physical body does not exist yet.
[09:39] <QueenVee> we have to make a similar leap in terms of our understanding of them -- it's a two-way street
[09:39] <QueenVee> subspace?
[09:39] <Magnetos> A two-way street is diplomacy.
[09:39] <cmell> wich was magneto
[09:39] <cmell> ?
[09:39] <Magnetos> As of now, our relationship is a one-way street.
[09:39] <Magnetos> Nevertheless..
[09:39] <QueenVee> and a two-way street exists -- we are struggling to meet them halfway, and they have met us more than halfway
[09:40] <QueenVee> no, it is not a one-way street
[09:40] <Magnetos> As I was saying, the Zetans are aware(and enlightened humans) that current humans have little to no connection to our subspace selves.
[09:40] <QueenVee> so?
[09:40] <Magnetos> We don't understand subspace matters for the most part.
[09:40] <cmell> so
[09:40] <QueenVee> you mean subconscious
[09:40] <QueenVee> stop saying subspace
[09:40] <Magnetos> No, it's subspace.
[09:40] <Magnetos> Nonphysical.
[09:41] <QueenVee> so they are doing the best they can with our limited capabilities
[09:41] <cmell> explain subspace
[09:41] <QueenVee> Magnetos: well, that term is not used in ZT, so it's pointless for you to use it in this chatroom
[09:41] <Magnetos> So, my point is that they should be more understanding of our lack of subspace knowledge and connection.
[09:41] <QueenVee> they are extremely understanding in my opinion
[09:41] <cmell> yes
[09:42] <Magnetos> Well, then, if we can't discuss terms addressed in ZT, we can't discuss this topic.
[09:42] <cmell> explain subspace
[09:42] <QueenVee> they have made far more of an effort to accommodate and understand us than we have them
[09:42] <cmell> what do you mean
[09:42] <Magnetos> Well, this discussion is becoming pointless in my opinion.
[09:43] <cmell> bye magnetos
[09:43] <Magnetos> I basically mean the nonphysical existence of consciousness.
[09:43] <Magnetos> I'd rather discuss the pole shift.
[09:43] <QueenVee> then use the term that everyone else uses, and the term used in ZetaTalk -- subconscious
[09:43] <Magnetos> Well, it's not subconscious..
[09:43] <obany> !down
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[09:43] <cmell> ok lets talk ps
[09:43] <QueenVee> why introduce your own private terminology into the discussion, it's silly
[09:43] <obany> !up
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[09:43] <Magnetos> It's not private.
[09:44] <Magnetos> In fact, it's a widely used term.
[09:44] <Magnetos> You'll find it in most remote viewing literautre.
[09:44] <Magnetos> literature.
[09:44] <Magnetos> Remote viewing works on the concept of subspace.
[09:44] <obany> well i guess there is only one person who can remove my status in troubled times
[09:44] <Magnetos> Or Akasha I believe the alternate term is.
[09:44] <QueenVee> honey, the word doesn't even exist in the dictionary -- so give it up
[09:44] <obany> he ain't a bad guy but this well sucks
[09:45] <obany> Jurafk
[09:45] <cmell> hehe
[09:45] <Magnetos> Queen, humans don't understand subspace.
[09:45] <Magnetos> You won't find the terms Zeta Reticulan in there either most likely.
[09:45] <obany> ?
[09:45] <QueenVee> Magnetos: no, you won't find personal pronouns in any dictionary
[09:45] <Magnetos> Not in the ET sense anyway.
[09:46] <cmell> or Sirian
[09:46] <cmell> :)
[09:46] <Magnetos> My point is that you can't expect to find many terms relating to paranormal things in dictionaries.
[09:46] <QueenVee> bullshit
[09:46] <Magnetos> And, I believe that an understanding of subspace is essential to even discussing ZT diplomacy and pre-birth agreements.
[09:47] <Magnetos> Subspace is where it happens..it's where our being exists.
[09:47] <cmell> ok magnetos, but then explain : subspace
[09:47] <Magnetos> But, to use a more familar term, I can say soul.
[09:47] <Magnetos> I've already done that, cmell.
[09:47] <QueenVee> The word doesn't exist in human terminology, nor in ZetaTalk - so please don't use it -- clear enough?
[09:47] <Magnetos> It does exist.
[09:47] <cmell> apparently not enough
[09:47] <Magnetos> Humans simply do not understand it.
[09:47] <QueenVee> we have to have a common terminology in order to understand each other.
[09:47] <QueenVee> please provide a source for the word then
[09:47] <obany> in the RV terminolgy ...
[09:48] <QueenVee> who coined it?
[09:48] <Magnetos> And, if you disagree, talk to just about all writers of remote viewing technology.
[09:48] <cmell> I have to agree with QV
[09:48] <QueenVee> give us a link in which it is used, magnetos
[09:48] <Magnetos> Probably the US military, QV.
[09:48] <QueenVee> probably???
[09:48] <QueenVee> you don't know?
[09:48] <Magnetos> Well, I have no online links but you can find it in the books written by Courtney Brown.
[09:48] <Magnetos> Robert Monroe rights of it.
[09:48] <QueenVee> so it's his private terminology
[09:49] <Magnetos> It's a term widely used at the Monroe institute.
[09:49] <QueenVee> surely he provides a definition of what he means by it somewhere
[09:49] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g70.htm
[09:49] <Magnetos> And the Monroe Institute is a well-known facility that specializes in subspace travel.
[09:49] <QueenVee> Magnetos: it seems you want to persist in using this terminology; therefore, i suggest you come back when you can provide us with a clear and verifiable definition of that terminology
[09:49] <Magnetos> It's a widely understood concept by those informed I suppose.
[09:49] <QueenVee> buh bye
[09:49] * Magnetos was kicked by QueenVee (Magnetos)
[09:49] <QueenVee> i'm not in the mood for this bullshit
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[09:50] * QueenVee sets mode: +b *!*@0-1pool240-29.nas1.norfolk1.va.us.da.qwest.net
[09:50] * Magnetos was kicked by QueenVee (Magnetos)
[09:50] <cmell> hhmmm
[09:52] <cmell> why wouldn't he explain that concept ??
[09:53] <QueenVee> cause he's an idiot
[09:53] <QueenVee> thinks he makes him more smart that other people to use words that other people don't understand
[09:53] <QueenVee> only an idiot does that
[09:53] <cmell> yes well
[09:54] <QueenVee> "those informed know what it means"
[09:54] <cmell> heh
[09:54] <QueenVee> give me a break
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[09:54] <radiohead4> It is unjust for me to be kicked/banned for not giving a clear and verifiable source when I stated that definitive information on the concept of subspace can be found in Dr. Courtney Brown's literature.
[09:54] * cmell gives QueenVee a break :)
[09:54] <obany> yes, i tought it was you
[09:54] * QueenVee sets mode: +b *!*@0-2pool254-248.nas3.norfolk1.va.us.da.qwest.net
[09:55] * radiohead4 was kicked by QueenVee (radiohead4)
[09:55] * obany sets mode: +b radio4!*@*
[09:55] * obany sets mode: -b radio4!*@*
[09:55] <QueenVee> obany....
[09:55] <cmell> short break though :(
[09:55] <obany> QueenVee: he will join in again
[09:55] <QueenVee> please don't undo my bans
[09:56] <obany> uuh i didn't undo that ban of yours, that was a ban of my own ..
[09:56] <QueenVee> oh, sorry
[09:56] <QueenVee> oh, get this; he just private messaged me the following:
[09:56] <QueenVee> It's pathetic when people cannot discuss ideas out of Zetatalk's range of understanding.....
[09:57] <QueenVee> But, it's apparent, due to your lack of knowledge of the concept of subspace, that you're truly not a human of higher consciousness/understanding....
[09:57] <QueenVee> LOL!
[09:57] <cmell> hehe I just recieved that too
[09:57] <cmell> [18:56:41] *radiohead4* 'sighs' It's pathetic when people cannot discuss ideals out of Zetatalk's range of understanding.
[09:58] <cmell> lol
[09:58] <QueenVee> so i was right, it's a word that you can only understand if you have been initiated into the higher knowledge of the universe... which apparently even the zetas have not.... but Magnetos does.....
[09:58] <from_Texas> well I didn't... so I must be of higher consciousness.. lol
[09:58] <QueenVee> talk about pathetic
[09:58] <cmell> heh
[09:58] <QueenVee> yeah, dunno why he would want to hang around us amoebas....
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[09:58] <QueenVee> or is it amoebi?
[09:59] <cmell> heya west
[09:59] <from_Texas> hi WC
[09:59] <West_coast> hi there
[09:59] <QueenVee> hi wC
[09:59] <West_coast> hi QV
[09:59] <QueenVee> WC: do you know what WC means in England?
[09:59] <West_coast> do I want to know?
[09:59] <QueenVee> lol
[09:59] <cmell> locum
[09:59] <QueenVee> it's a short form for the loo -- literally Water Closet
[09:59] <West_coast> I had a suspicion
[09:59] <QueenVee> hehe
[10:00] <QueenVee> bathroom humour
[10:00] <West_coast> lol
[10:00] <cmell> does anyone know what locum mean ?
[10:00] <West_coast> as in locum tennons
[10:00] <cmell> hmm
[10:00] <West_coast> physician on loan
[10:01] <cmell> well in danish it means just the same as WC
[10:01] <cmell> sorry
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[10:02] <cmell> hi froggy
[10:02] <froggy> hi
[10:02] <cmell> how goes ?
[10:03] <froggy> good, how about you?
[10:03] <cmell> ok
[10:03] <cmell> a few problems with economoy, but ok
[10:03] <cmell> economy
[10:03] <West_coast> a few?
[10:04] <QueenVee> locum means place
[10:04] <cmell> a few unpaid bills
[10:04] <QueenVee> latin word that is the root of the word location
[10:04] <cmell> QV I know of a french town called "locum"
[10:05] <cmell> it's on the south shore of lake geneva
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[10:05] <QueenVee> WC: and i think you mean "locum tenens"....
[10:05] <DRGREEN> hello all.
[10:05] <cmell> perhaps
[10:05] <West_coast> QV: I think you are right
[10:06] <cmell> hey dr
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[10:06] <cmell> hi kai
[10:06] <Kai> hello
[10:06] <froggy> hi
[10:06] <West_coast> brother-in-law is doctor doing locum tenens
[10:06] <obany> hi green
[10:07] <QueenVee> means "temporary placement"
[10:07] <cmell> so obany how is your plans going along ?
[10:07] <obany> the #torubled_times channel now is like totaly fucked up
[10:07] <obany> cmell: still going fine, still will move
[10:07] <QueenVee> obany: and it wasn't before?
[10:07] <obany> QueenVee: i don't have acces anymore
[10:07] <cmell> k, obany
[10:07] <obany> in that channel
[10:07] <QueenVee> obany: don't you think it's time that you disconnected it from the Troubled Times site?
[10:08] <obany> QueenVee: i won't
[10:08] <QueenVee> obany: well, that's pretty stupid
[10:08] <cmell> heh
[10:08] <QueenVee> what's the point?
[10:08] <obany> i have my reasons tough ...
[10:11] <QueenVee> what are they?
[10:11] <DRGREEN> silence all of a sudden...
[10:11] <cmell> then speak up drg
[10:11] <QueenVee> you are doing those who need to know about PX a disservice....
[10:11] <QueenVee> they are led to #troubled_times by the Troubled Times site....
[10:12] <QueenVee> and you know they will get no help or information there
[10:12] <obany> i feel responsible for that channel, and i am sure  that that channel will turn back into it's self again
[10:12] <obany> QueenVee: and they are also led to this channel
[10:12] <QueenVee> you're deluded obany
[10:12] <QueenVee> but that's all i'll say about it
[10:12] <obany> no no i am not deluded :)
[10:12] <obany> i am smart enough
[10:12] <cmell> I think that channel need a LOT of help obany :(
[10:13] <obany> cmeel: it sucks that it's like this now, but i have hope for a better time ...
[10:13] <cmell> then start enforcing strict rules
[10:14] <QueenVee> kick out the trolls
[10:14] <obany> cmell: as soon as i ban them they start to whine on sci.astro .
[10:14] <cmell> so
[10:14] <QueenVee> so, can't you take a little whining?
[10:14] <obany> of course i can
[10:15] <obany> but right now i can't kick or ban
[10:15] <QueenVee> obany: by the way, i didn't say you were STUPID, i said you were DELUDED -- big difference
[10:15] <cmell> :)
[10:15] <QueenVee> obany: so what are you gonna do?
[10:16] <cmell> I myself have stopped entering #TT because it was of no use
[10:16] <obany> well i don't talk in that channel that much anymore like i used too .. so that's one ... and right now well
[10:16] <QueenVee> well, it's not your channel anymore
[10:17] <obany> i was the owner .. but i guess that Jurian took that right
[10:17] <QueenVee> yep
[10:17] <West_coast> QV: When are you planning to relocate to farm?
[10:17] <QueenVee> have you talked to Jurian about it?
[10:17] <QueenVee> WC: as soon as PX is visible in the daytime sky -- 7 weeks prior to the shift
[10:18] <QueenVee> that's the point at which the plan goes into serious action, for me
[10:18] <QueenVee> it's less than an hour from where i am
[10:18] <West_coast> not a whole lot of time to get up and running
[10:18] <obany> QueenVee: not yet... not sure why he did it either, well i think because it's well for him Dell, Havas etc post to sci.astro so those guys should have the right to join troubled_times
[10:19] <froggy> i read an interesting artical in the Today section in the Baltimore Sun
[10:19] <obany> that's Jurian's stand for what i know
[10:19] <obany> anyway have to go have to help someoene
[10:19] <West_coast> froggy: what was that?
[10:19] <QueenVee> obany: what does that have to do with taking away your op status in tt?
[10:19] <obany> i have no idea, guess because i kicked those guys etc and he didn't liked it  not sure
[10:20] <QueenVee> WC: i have no choice, it's my cousin's farm, and that's the only point at which she's willing to actually put money into this, make changes to her property, etc
[10:20] <obany> but i have to go now as someoene is waiting for me
[10:20] <froggy> it was about how 2003 promises to be a year of celestial dazzle
[10:20] <West_coast> QV: I see
[10:20] <QueenVee> lol
[10:20] <froggy> and a pretty close encounter with Mars
[10:20] <QueenVee> yep, razzle dazzle
[10:20] <QueenVee> scuse me, i have to make a phone call, brb
[10:21] * QueenVee is now known as Queen-away
[10:21] <cmell> later obany
[10:21] <cmell> later QV
[10:21] <froggy> it listed dates May 15, Aug 27, Nov 8, and as far as Dec 23
[10:22] <cmell> ok you have a link 4 that article froggy
[10:22] <West_coast> froggy: do you believe PX is on the way?
[10:22] <froggy> www.sunspot.net/today
[10:23] <froggy> i do not have the link
[10:23] <cmell> k
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[10:23] <cmell> froggy whats the headline ??
[10:23] <froggy> well, West this did take the wind out of my sails
[10:23] <froggy> the headline is Starry Nights
[10:24] <froggy> in the today section
[10:24] <West_coast> froggy: so is that a yes?
[10:24] <froggy> January 4
[10:24] <cmell> can't find it
[10:24] <cmell> hey woogles 'n mad_hat
[10:25] <woogles> hello
[10:25] <West_coast> hello woogles
[10:25] <woogles> I was wondering, how many of you that are preparing are intending to have short wave radio transmitters/recievers?
[10:26] <Mad_Hatter> Hello...and good morning..
[10:26] <West_coast> I think short wave receiver is a good idea, woogles
[10:26] <from_Texas> http://www.sunspot.net/features/lifestyle/bal-to.stars04jan04,0,861435.story?coll=bal%2Dartslife%2Dtoday
[10:26] <cmell> I intend to have at least a reciever
[10:27] <woogles> If there are enough people, perhaps we should desiginate channels to use before the shift, so that it is easier to find others
[10:27] <cmell> yes
[10:27] <Mad_Hatter> Have mucho radios.... as I am a ham radio operator...
[10:28] <West_coast> short wave:  http://www.zetatalk.com/xtime/x26.htm
[10:28] <cmell> oh then you can advice me on what to buy
[10:28] <West_coast> mad hatter: are you familiar with radio packet transmissions
[10:28] <Mad_Hatter> how much do you want to spend?
[10:29] * Queen-away is now known as QueenVee
[10:29] <cmell> ie internet
[10:29] <cmell> not much
[10:29] <cmell> as I'm broke
[10:30] <Mad_Hatter> Ummm... might try looking into going to a "ham fest"  can get good deals there... d
[10:30] <cmell> heh
[10:30] <cmell> whats the url ?
[10:30] <woogles> bah bbl
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[10:32] <Mad_Hatter> Or get to know a ham operator in your area...look for the tower & antenna arrays on the house...they are usually very happy to show you thier shack...you can ask questions then...
[10:32] <cmell> ok
[10:33] <cmell> I will
[10:33] <cmell> thx
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[10:33] <cmell> hello insom
[10:34] <QueenVee> hello insomnia -- what brings you to this room?
[10:35] <InSoMniaC420> Seing what other people are doing for preparation
[10:35] <Mad_Hatter> West Coast...yes its called PACKET radio...similar to internet email.....
[10:35] * InSoMniaC420 slaps InSoMniaC420 around a bit with a large trout
[10:35] <West_coast> Mad hatter: are you going to "hook up" your PC?
[10:36] <QueenVee> Insomnia: how long have you been aaware of the poleshift and zetatalk?
[10:36] <InSoMniaC420> A while now
[10:36] <cmell> huh
[10:36] <cmell> how long is that ?
[10:36] <QueenVee>  *froggy* hi QueenVee, i don't think i planet x is coming and 90% of the world will end. I feel this is a big hoax and i bid you goodbye.
[10:36] <QueenVee> okay, bye froggy
[10:37] <cmell> hahaha
[10:37] <Mad_Hatter> Yes I have PACKET for 2Meters and 440.... PACKETradio however normally depend on internet
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[10:37] <QueenVee> Insomnia: what part of the world do you live in?
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[10:38] <cmell> ok froggy in the BAN-book
[10:38] <West_coast> mad hatter: how much of an investment to receive packet short wave?
[10:38] <InSoMniaC420> Northern Indiana, about two hours from Michigan
[10:38] <QueenVee> no, no need to ban her....
[10:38] <cmell> ok
[10:38] <QueenVee> good place to be insomnia
[10:38] <QueenVee> you're lucky you don't have to relocate
[10:39] <InSoMniaC420> Yup, it's good to know that.. I've been trying to get my family aware of what is going to happen, so they can relocate
[10:39] <cmell> but a note in my book
[10:39] <InSoMniaC420> Not a very easy thing to do
[10:39] <cmell> hehe
[10:39] <cmell> no I hear you insomniac
[10:39] <QueenVee> insomnia: where are they located?
[10:39] <cmell> I have had the same prob
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[10:40] <Mad_Hatter> You will need a TNC (terminal node controller)...ie modem,  a dumb terminal (minimum) or a laptop and a tranciever (handheld desirable)
[10:40] <InSoMniaC420> Southern Indiana which I think will be in the danger zone, right?
[10:40] <cmell> yes, more or less
[10:40] <West_coast> mad hatter: any websites with info?
[10:40] <cmell> depending on elevation
[10:41] <Mad_Hatter> search  ARRL  or PACKET ...
[10:41] <QueenVee> mmm, seems as though the crisis over in TT has been resolved -- obany has been given back his ownership status by Jurian.... until the next time Jurian decides to take it away again, i guess....
[10:41] <West_coast> mad hatter: thanks
[10:41] <cmell> heh
[10:41] <JurAFK> not quite
[10:41] <QueenVee> insomnia: well, not necessarily.... hold on.....
[10:42] <JurAFK> I left that channel
[10:42] <JurAFK> and don't plan on going back
[10:42] <QueenVee> oh, well, i'm glad you gave the ownership to Obany
[10:42] <QueenVee> crisis resolved
[10:42] <JurAFK> not really
[10:42] * JurAFK is now known as Jurian
[10:43] <Jurian> the bigger issue with that channel remains
[10:43] <QueenVee> please elaborate, i'm interested
[10:43] <QueenVee> what's the issue?
[10:43] <Jurian> its become useless
[10:43] <QueenVee> oh, yes, but that's not a crisis
[10:43] <Jurian> has been for a LONG time
[10:43] <QueenVee> exactly
[10:43] <QueenVee> it really shouldn't be connected with the Troubled Times website anymore
[10:44] <Jurian> nope
[10:44] <cmell> remove any links to that channel !
[10:44] <QueenVee> cmell: well, that's up to obany now... and he doesn't want to do that....
[10:44] <Jurian> ask nancy that
[10:44] <Jurian> its not up to obany either
[10:44] <QueenVee> and nancy doesn't want to hurt obany's feelings
[10:44] <Jurian> only nancy has access to the server
[10:44] <QueenVee> i've talked to her about it before
[10:44] * cmell smiles
[10:45] <West_coast> mad hatter: where are you located?
[10:45] <QueenVee> but we reached a compromise, and this channel also appears there now.... so....
[10:45] <cmell> copenhagen denmark , and you WC ?
[10:46] <West_coast> West_coast is in Washington state
[10:46] <Mad_Hatter> Arizona
[10:46] <cmell> ok so on the west-coast huh duh :)
[10:47] <cmell> hehe
[10:47] <West_coast> mad hatter: do you have contacts in Europe?
[10:48] <Mad_Hatter> yes, I work Europe frequently....just talked to the UK this AM
[10:48] <West_coast> Mad hatter: news says parts of Europe are a mess... yes?
[10:49] <cmell> k, then your nick should be Ham_Hatter
[10:49] <cmell> hehe
[10:49] <Mad_Hatter> Yes, flooding across Germany..
[10:49] <Mad_Hatter> lol..!
[10:50] <cmell> yes, sorry not my fault :(
[10:50] <cmell> lol
[10:50] <West_coast> mad hatter: any more train derailments?
[10:50] * DRGREEN is now known as Taliban_Warrior
[10:51] <cmell> ok mr taliban beware or I'll wage war on you :)
[10:52] <Mad_Hatter> Unfortunately, the Internet is very fragile... cut a few main phone main trunk lines and it will go down easily...
[10:52] <Taliban_Warrior> :)
[10:52] <QueenVee> true
[10:52] <Mad_Hatter> just in Spain, all that I have heard...
[10:52] <cmell> I'll unbury the hatchet
[10:52] <cmell> :)
[10:53] <cmell> nah ... lets all be friends
[10:53] <West_coast> parts of the internet may fail, but not all at once
[10:54] <cmell> thats propbably what will happen
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[10:54] <Jurian> no, but multiple simulanious failures, will cause a cascading effect
[10:54] <cmell> yes
[10:54] <West_coast> at that point it probably won't matter
[10:54] <cmell> and some ppl will try to make the failure greater
[10:54] <Jurian> as routers try to find different paths to a network, other lines will become congested, routes start flapping, and get disabled by the routers
[10:55] <Mad_Hatter> Internet will not survive the pole shift.
[10:55] <cmell> no
[10:55] <cmell> not globally
[10:55] <West_coast> maybe by packet relay in spots
[10:55] <cmell> but perhaps locally
[10:55] <Jurian> heh, getting electricity up first, is more important
[10:55] <West_coast> radio packet relay
[10:56] <cmell> yes jurian, I hear you
[10:56] <Jurian> only after the survival of the community is ensured (as far as possible), will I start looking into getting computers back up, and only after that, radio and networking
[10:56] <Jurian> telephone networking may be easier to set up
[10:56] <Mad_Hatter> yes radio PACKET relay will still function on a limited basis
[10:56] <Jurian> yeah, but text-only
[10:57] <Jurian> can't really send big images over
[10:57] <cmell> just HAM radio'ing will be easy t set up
[10:57] <Jurian> takes too long
[10:57] <cmell> t=to
[10:57] <Jurian> HAM equipment is hard to find
[10:57] <Jurian> CB will be MUCH easier to find
[10:57] <cmell> if you have it before the shift
[10:57] <cmell> ok
[10:57] <Jurian> yeah, but most wont have HAM equipment before the shift
[10:57] <cmell> but much shorter reach
[10:58] <Jurian> but you can find CB radio's in loads of trucks
[10:58] <West_coast> just takes one in a community
[10:58] <Jurian> well, I'd say use CB for short to medium range, and a HAM radio for the long-range stuff
[10:58] <cmell> yes
[10:58] <Jurian> dont wanna use high-powered HAM radio's if you're just talking to your neighbour community
[10:58] <cmell> I guess your right jur
[10:59] <Jurian> that's like putting up a big sign "here we are, come find us!"
[10:59] <Mad_Hatter> CB will work also, and will likely have people on it,
[10:59] <cmell> yes
[10:59] <West_coast> http://www.zetatalk.com/xtime/x26.htm    short wave
[10:59] <cmell> oh btw don't speak to loudly
[10:59] <Jurian> and setting up a CB antenna is easy, all you NEED, is a wire 6.5m long
[10:59] <cmell> u might get unfriendlies
[10:59] <Jurian> that is.. if you don't plan to go over, say, 100 watt :p
[11:00] <Jurian> for more, you'd probably melt the wire :)
[11:00] <cmell> heh
[11:00] <Jurian> I'd also suggest using directional antennae, for talking to neighbouring communities you've made contact with
[11:00] <Jurian> the less people hear you, the better
[11:01] <cmell> if the transmitter is build for x watts, could I ruin that bu extending it with a wire ?
[11:01] <Mad_Hatter> listen 1st...decide to talk later...
[11:01] <cmell> bu=by
[11:01] <cmell> yes jur
[11:02] <Jurian> well, I'd suggest you get an SWR meter, and USE it, to ensure you dont destroy your radio, with a bad antenna setup
[11:02] <Jurian> they're cheap as junk
[11:02] <Jurian> NOT something you want to try and save money on, imho :)
[11:03] <cmell> ok thx
[11:03] <Mad_Hatter> I am still looking for a "safer" location....don't want to be in Phoenix....when the sh!t breaks loose
[11:03] <West_coast> mad hatter: any ideas on where to go?
[11:04] <Jurian> SWR should be as close to 1:1 as you can get it, over 3:1, you shouldn't transmit, or you WILL destroy the radio in time
[11:04] <Mad_Hatter> As too Arizona...its either the desert or the mountains...not sure..
[11:04] <cmell> ok
[11:05] <West_coast> mad hatter: what does ZT say?
[11:05] <cmell> go to GC or close to
[11:05] <Mad_Hatter> Yes, an SWR meter is best to have if the antenna is not matched...
[11:06] <cmell> but not too close
[11:06] <Jurian> yeah, and seeing as they're dirt cheap and small, I'd definitely get one, before bothering to transmit anything
[11:06] <cmell> yep
[11:07] <Jurian> I have one here, that's just 10 by 6 by 6 cm
[11:07] <Mad_Hatter> ZT says ....AZ will survive the flood, earthquake... but not good for long time survival as no food and too many people in city (phoenix)esp.
[11:07] <cmell> yes
[11:07] <cmell> thats what I remember too
[11:07] <West_coast> hmmm.. some one talked about going to New Mexico
[11:08] <cmell> better go to some of the mid states
[11:08] <Mad_Hatter> I have friends in New Mexico.... its not as densely populated.....
[11:09] <cmell> yes well when that is the case hhhmm
[11:09] <West_coast> not a whole lot of time left, is there?
[11:09] <cmell> no only till mid may
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[11:09] <West_coast> cmell: you can't wait THAT long
[11:10] <cmell> no
[11:10] <cmell> I will act when I see px in the sky
[11:10] <Mad_Hatter> I think people will freak out when it all starts to unfold..... not that I won't...just that I will be "aware" of what is happening...other may not
[11:10] <Jurian> yeah, same here cmell
[11:11] <cmell> yeah I hear you mad_hat and I agree
[11:11] <West_coast> people freaking out is probably going to be big concern if you wait
[11:11] <cmell> and jurian I agree with you
[11:11] <QueenVee> cmell: well, that's my plan as well, but i intend to have a fully well thought out plan that can be quickly activated at that point....
[11:11] <Jurian> QueenVee: exactly, that is, imho, the best way to go
[11:12] <Jurian> have a good plan, and STAY CALM
[11:12] <cmell> well, my plan is not that well thought out :(
[11:12] <West_coast> anything you can do before hand, you should do
[11:12] <cmell> yes jurian, thats a good plan
[11:12] <Jurian> of course, but don't burn your bridges just yet
[11:13] <cmell> and QV still working on my profile for the networking section
[11:13] <Mad_Hatter> Are your families aware of all this....?  I have not explained it to Alice.... not any easy thing to do, " by the way dear....."
[11:13] <cmell> not my family
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[11:13] <cmell> hey sundar
[11:14] <West_coast> mad hatter: families don't want to hear about it
[11:14] <sundar> hey cmell
[11:14] <Mad_Hatter> laksmithpathy?
[11:14] <Jurian> dont bother telling them just yet
[11:14] <West_coast> Jurian: why not?
[11:14] <sundar> it should be lakshmipathy
[11:14] <cmell> my brother knows of the theory of poleshift, but thats it
[11:14] <Jurian> cause like you said, they dont want to hear
[11:14] <Mad_Hatter> Alice already thinks I need Prozac....
[11:15] <cmell> heh
[11:15] <Jurian> they'll think you're crazy
[11:15] <West_coast> Jurian: doesn't mean you shouldn't try
[11:15] <cmell> hhmmm they allready do hehe
[11:15] <cmell> haha
[11:15] <cmell> lol
[11:16] <Jurian> West_coast: I think its better to have a good plan, and once its obvious that X *IS* coming, THEN you should tell friends and family, and act out your plan
[11:16] <West_coast> Jurian: believe it or not, there isn't much time left
[11:16] <sundar> Lets say you travel in a iowa interstate up and down at 100mph cruise and we know there are some signals and we take chance only to find a truck crossing the intersection what will be do - same case with earth and planet x
[11:16] <Jurian> West_coast: hehe, no shit :p
[11:16] * obany is back
[11:17] <obany> and HAM is well kinda expensive
[11:17] <Jurian> too expensive
[11:17] <QueenVee> Jurian: good idea to at least introduce the idea to them before that, let them know what the countdown signs will be; that way, when they happen, you will be all that much more credible to them...
[11:18] <Jurian> QueenVee: true, depends on the familiy I guess :)
[11:18] <West_coast> QV: good point
[11:18] <Jurian> I told my parents about it
[11:18] <Jurian> one of my reasons for going to sweden
[11:19] <Jurian> pretty difficult to just say "I'm moving out of the house.. oh btw, I'm going to sweden" :p
[11:19] <cmell> may meet you jurian
[11:19] <cmell> I'm going there too
[11:19] <cmell> heh
[11:19] <Jurian> cmell: yeah, would be cool to meet :)
[11:19] <QueenVee> my mother has been given all the information on a very casual, hypothetical basis, and as more and more of what i have told her might start to happen, happens, she is becoming more and more aware....
[11:20] <Jurian> QueenVee: yeah, but like I said, it depends on the person
[11:20] <cmell> so later takes on a whole new meaning
[11:20] <cmell> :)
[11:20] <cmell> ok nice
[11:20] <cmell> QV
[11:20] <Jurian> some are ready to hear this kinda stuff, a lot are too afraid to even WANT to TRY to consider it
[11:20] <obany> i spoke with them about it sometime agao ... and well at the start of this year, think it was the 2nd .. they mentioned it again to me... ... mom and sis, nothing will happen etc
[11:20] <cmell> I'm afraid
[11:21] <West_coast> then there is the religion factor: god will save us
[11:21] <cmell> so I don't blame ppl
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[11:21] <QueenVee> hello spiff
[11:22] <Spiff> Hi Qv
[11:22] <cmell> Jurian how old are you/gender I'm 32/male
[11:22] <Spiff> Any news about the picture from Nasa
[11:22] <Jurian> 22/m
[11:22] <cmell> k
[11:22] <QueenVee> what picture from nasa?
[11:23] <Jurian> and I'm.. "gifted" when it comes to getting stuff to work :p
[11:23] <cmell> I'm thinking of the area of salen in sweden you ?
[11:23] <cmell> good
[11:23] <Spiff> Someone said "I saw that picture from hubble red star growing etc."
[11:23] <Jurian> I'm in dalarna, somewhere, and we'll likely stay somewhere around here
[11:23] <QueenVee> spiff: there is no such picture
[11:23] <cmell> ok
[11:24] <Spiff> Ok
[11:24] <cmell> then well talk on radio
[11:24] <obany> QueenVee: so that person from England was well just joking or confused?
[11:24] <Jurian> hehe, or we'll meet up and make one bigger community :p
[11:24] <cmell> yep that would be better
[11:25] <Spiff> I guess
[11:26] <InSoMniaC420> So what are some physical changes that are happening already from planet X?
[11:26] <cmell> but I would be thinking "what an idiot", if one was trying to be a leader ??
[11:26] <West_coast> insomnia: check out shift2003.com
[11:26] <QueenVee> obany: confused is my guess
[11:27] <cmell> well insomniac look at the weather
[11:27] <InSoMniaC420> Not much has changed here... yet
[11:27] <QueenVee> here being where, again?
[11:27] <InSoMniaC420> Northern Indiana
[11:27] <sundar> STO do not have leaders, they work in communities
[11:27] <cmell> yes sundar
[11:28] <QueenVee> insomnia: if you read the news archive on www.shift2003.com, you will see the extreme weather changes, earthquakes, volcano eruptions, etc.
[11:28] <InSoMniaC420> Yup, Thx
[11:28] <cmell> it's will have to be group ruled
[11:28] <obany> InSoMniaC420: and over here what they say what will occur in the months before the shift http://www.zetatalk.com/index/cjan0403.htm    predictions for 2003
[11:29] <obany> and over here you will find the latest answer about the slowing down of the earth http://www.zetatalk.com/index/pjan0403.htm
[11:30] <cmell> r u spamming the channel obany ???
[11:30] <West_coast> I wondered why my computer clock was fast
[11:31] <obany> cmell: yes cmell :P
[11:31] <cmell> heh
[11:32] <obany> of course not, i was just pointing InSoMniaC420 to something
[11:32] <cmell> WC I can't join because my clock is F..k... up
[11:32] <cmell> .8
[11:32] <cmell> :)
[11:33] <West_coast> cmell: can't join what?
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[11:34] <cmell> the "why is the clock so fast" club !
[11:34] <West_coast> oh
[11:34] <QueenVee> hello Buente
[11:34] <Buente> hello
[11:34] <cmell> hi buente
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[11:37] * cmell likes the smell (cmell) of rotting Bush in the morning
[11:37] <cmell> hello tied2
[11:37] <tied2> hello
[11:37] <Mad_Hatter> Got some good news to share.... my unemployment checks will run out in May!
[11:38] <cmell> heh
[11:38] <tied2> lol
[11:38] <West_coast> good timing
[11:38] <cmell> my birthday is in may
[11:38] <obany> mine in feb
[11:38] <cmell> or rather 21 may 1970
[11:39] <obany> cmell you are older then me sigh :P
[11:39] <cmell> heh
[11:39] <obany> 20 feb 1971 here
[11:39] <cmell> hahahaha
[11:39] <West_coast> this is making me feel old
[11:40] <cmell> ok why WC ?
[11:40] <West_coast> over 50 here
[11:40] <cmell> oh
[11:40] <cmell> :) np
[11:40] <QueenVee> Does anyone know what HDEM stands for?
[11:40] <cmell> nope QV
[11:40] <West_coast> in reference to what?
[11:41] <QueenVee> on their networking profile form, someone says that they have been "HDEM 20 years".....
[11:42] <cmell> strange
[11:42] <cmell> searching
[11:42] <tex-away> Heavy Duty Equipment Mechanic
[11:42] <sundar> What will happen if all satellite links between crawford ranch texas and white house fail -will this scenario happen before pole shift
[11:42] <cmell> hahah
[11:43] <QueenVee> tex: you know everything, man....
[11:43] <cmell> huh sundar
[11:43] <QueenVee> thanks, tex
[11:43] <cmell> yes thx
[11:43] <tex-away> yw
[11:43] <cmell> YW = ??
[11:43] <cmell> hehe
[11:44] <tex-away> your welcome
[11:44] <cmell> ahh
[11:44] <cmell> np
[11:45] <cmell> hehe
[11:45] <sundar> We can have horse-bound messengers who travel the mid-west as a backup
[11:45] <cmell> yes, just like the movie "the postman" !!
[11:46] <Spiff> I can be Kevin C (hehe)
[11:46] <tied2> "you famous man i heard of you"
[11:46] <cmell> haha
[11:46] <Spiff> Who wants to be the horse?
[11:46] <tied2> I'll be joe Walsh
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[11:46] <sundar> Dick will wait for such an opportunity
[11:46] <cmell> I heard of you postman can I be a deputy ??
[11:47] <Spiff> :-)
[11:47] <Guest> hi
[11:47] <West_coast> you kids have fun: C U later
[11:47] <cmell> hello guest
[11:47] <Guest> please
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[11:47] <Guest> hi i will go log in witha name sorry
[11:47] <cmell> you will be wise if you channge your nick guest
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[11:48] <k000t> hi
[11:48] <Jurian> back later, gonna watch tv for a while, discovery should be fun :p
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[11:48] <cmell> hi k0000t
[11:48] <cmell> sorry
[11:48] <k000t> hello    im not guest anymore
[11:49] <k000t> soooooooo k
[11:49] <cmell> k000t
[11:49] <Spiff> I'll be back later S U
[11:49] <k000t> whats on discovery then
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[11:49] <cmell> later
[11:49] <k000t> l8r
[11:49] <cmell> k000t c u
[11:50] <k000t> so ive been away for a while ,is pX any nearer
[11:50] <tied2> yes
[11:50] <cmell> why do you come here k000t ?
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[11:51] <k000t> i was here a couple of weeks ago when a friend informed me that a discussion was happening with nancy ...
[11:51] <cmell> do you have any plans for relocating ??
[11:51] <k000t> im an alien beleaver with possible abduction   things going on
[11:52] <cmell> yes and so ?
[11:52] <k000t> i have some thing on the cards
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[11:52] <k000t> im not quite finished freaking out
[11:52] <cmell> what are those ?
[11:52] <cmell> me too
[11:52] <cmell> I'm freaking out still
[11:53] <cmell> hey edude
[11:53] <k000t> hi groiund    underground when the fire starts dropping out of thew sky
[11:53] <edude> hello
[11:53] <k000t> hi edude
[11:53] <cmell> hey taloban
[11:53] <cmell> taliban
[11:53] <k000t> its alot to co ordinate, you cant talk toi the neighbours about it
[11:54] <cmell> yes I know
[11:54] <k000t> they would think im mad , which of coarse i am
[11:54] <cmell> thats the same with me :(
[11:54] <k000t> my girly and i have some like minded freinds
[11:54] <cmell> good 4 u
[11:55] <k000t> we are making some sortr of plans, some extra non perishable food stuffs etc
[11:56] <k000t> lite weight
[11:56] <cmell> yes good
[11:56] <k000t> its my kids im cracking up about
[11:56] <k000t> i can see alot of uglyness happening afterwoods
[11:57] <cmell> hmmm I have the luxury that I don't have kids
[11:57] <k000t> i dont want to kill anyone top protect my own blood
[11:57] <cmell> join a group first
[11:57] <cmell> K000t
[11:57] <k000t> i hope that the survivors will pull together    like im a war type situation
[11:58] <k000t> london   in the blitz
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[11:58] <cmell> I hope too k000t
[11:58] <cmell> hi slcli
[11:58] <cmell> slycli
[11:58] <k000t> people forgot all the old concerns and just got on with it
[11:58] <slycli> howdy all
[11:58] <QueenVee> hello slycli
[11:58] <slycli> hi Queen
[11:59] <k000t> hello slycli, QueenVee
[11:59] <cmell> ping
[11:59] <k000t> pong
[11:59] <cmell> heh
[11:59] <slycli> just stoped by to see what's on everyones mind.
[12:00] <k000t> imtwisting out
[12:00] <cmell> sorry the response was sluggish for a while
[12:00] <k000t> np
[12:01] <k000t> we are increadible creatures, we can win and rebuild
[12:01] <cmell> yes we can, and we will !!
[12:02] <cmell> I might not be one of the survivors but hhmmmm
[12:02] <k000t> we love  life and living  i think we can build something else, it cant get any worse,
[12:03] <sundar> We might have very well reincarnated as dolphin-like creates in a watery planet
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[12:03] <cmell> k000t think about it, why would you rebuild ??
[12:03] <k000t> there always was going to be somesort of breaking poiunt with us humans
[12:03] <cmell> yes k000t
[12:04] <k000t> we have been f.....ng the planet for a long time
[12:04] <cmell> were broke now k000t
[12:04] <k000t> nature want to wipe the slate clean
[12:04] <cmell> :)
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[12:04] <slycli> I tuned in to the #zetatalk chat just in time to catch the vigurous debate with the sci.astro folks.
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[12:05] <k000t> and it will, we are cleaver things we will start again
[12:05] <Lancer> gm folks :)
[12:05] <QueenVee> hello Lancer
[12:05] <sundar> In order to simulate the pole shift conditions, we can build some residence models and have B52 bomb that using scatter bombs of low intensity and containing sulphides and hydrocarbons..
[12:05] <Lancer> howdy QV
[12:05] <cmell> hi lance
[12:05] <QueenVee> Hello Aaaaaa - what brings you to this room?
[12:05] * Lancer waves to all
[12:05] <cmell> hi Aaaaa
[12:05] <Aaaaa> curiousity
[12:05] <k000t> hello Aaaaa
[12:05] * cmell waves back
[12:05] <slycli> What, if anything, are they expecting to happen in May?
[12:06] <Aaaaa> hi
[12:06] <Mad_Hatter> So, when is Bushy gonna do it...?
[12:06] <k000t> a whole heap of uglyness,    im going to end up in the tropics
[12:06] <Lancer> QueenVee, got a moment for a pm?
[12:06] <QueenVee> Aaaaa -- please note:
[12:07] <QueenVee> 'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[12:07] <QueenVee> this is not a chatroom for the curious -- please go to #earthchanges
[12:07] <QueenVee> sure lancer
[12:07] <Lancer> :)
[12:07] <Aaaaa> been folowing since 1999
[12:08] <k000t> its very   diffecult to know where to go to be safer
[12:08] <k000t> i figure as higher ground as possible,   
[12:08] <k000t> 200 miles inland is diffecult in the UK
[12:09] <k000t> i just cant imagine what a pole shift will be like
[12:09] <k000t> suppose im gonna find out soon enouigh
[12:10] <QueenVee> Koot: you only need to be 100 miles inland
[12:10] <k000t> 100    oh  well thats not as bad
[12:11] <k000t> its the geography of where you already are thats important,
[12:11] <k000t> there  are so many variables,   one might relocate to a worse place
[12:12] <cmell> I have to leave shortly :(
[12:12] <k000t> are you relocating now ?
[12:12] <Mad_Hatter> I will have beach front property soon, wonder if they will raise my property taxes!
[12:12] <cmell> no I'm just watching a movie
[12:12] <k000t> any gopod?
[12:12] <slycli> Queen, are there any new pics of PX since Dec. 28?
[12:12] <k000t> sry    good
[12:13] <cmell> see you later guys
[12:13] <k000t> l8r's   cmell
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[12:13] <cmell> ::)
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[12:13] <obany> slycli: not that i know off
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[12:14] <k000t> be back in a while
[12:14] <k000t> food!
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[12:17] <sundar> see you all, bye
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[12:18] <slycli> thx obany. do you know where in the solar system PX is at this time?
[12:19] <QueenVee> yes, i'd like to know that as well....
[12:19] <slycli> I was afraid to ask since I missed so much of zetatalk yesterday.
[12:20] <Aaaaa> X is below and to the right of Alderbaran, the eye in Taurus from earth
[12:20] <obany> not exactly sure anyway http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword032.htm
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[12:21] <sotos> hi all
[12:21] <QueenVee> hello sotos
[12:21] <QueenVee> i am just putting your profile up on the site
[12:22] <QueenVee> sorry for the delay
[12:22] <QueenVee> i'm just getting caught up with things now
[12:22] <sotos> Thank you Queenvee
[12:22] <slycli> I'm going on a yearly camping trip in 2 wks and hoping to see something with my friends Wal-mart telescope.
[12:23] <QueenVee> cool
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[12:24] <sotos> Was there yesterday any session with Nancy??  I missed it... can I read somewhere the sessions?
[12:24] <Zetapal> .   ~~*     .o   O
[12:25] <Zetapal> olah
[12:25] <QueenVee> hi zetapal
[12:25] <QueenVee> sotos: i usually have the logs up on my site by now, but not yet.....
[12:25] <QueenVee> i will have them up later this evening
[12:25] <sotos> ok :)
[12:25] <obany> sotos yes, and Nancy did put them up already
[12:25] <QueenVee> oh, great!
[12:25] <QueenVee> i didn't know that
[12:25] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zetalogs.htm
[12:26] <sotos> THanks!!!
[12:26] <obany> for Jan 4
[12:30] <Mad_Hatter> bye.....bbl.
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[12:35] <Zetapal> http://www.rense.com/general33/COFU.HTM
[12:35] <Zetapal>  Hi  Tied2
[12:36] <Zetapal> the man
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[12:42] <DRGREEN> Aaaaa
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[12:50] <obany> zatapal: interresting link
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[12:58] <Zetapal> Obany: yeah
[13:01] <Michaellss> man dont tell ruster on other channel how to get here...
[13:04] <obany> ruster wierd guy
[13:05] <Michaellss> cant hang around today cya all
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[13:22] <valhen> hey all
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Session Start: Sun Jan 05 13:27:52 2003
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
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[13:27] * Topic is 'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[13:27] * Set by inkpen on Sat Jan 04 23:22:10
[13:27] -ChanServ- (#poleshiftdiscussion) Welcome to the SHIFT2003 CHAT ROOM (www.shift2003.com) Moderator: QueenVee59@hotmail.com
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[14:00] <obany> quiet now here
[14:01] <Zetapal> ok
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[14:17] <obany> http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&p=Det_W_t_40_L1&url=www.zetatalk.com
[14:17] <obany> mmm interresting
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[14:22] <obany> and this only for those who are using that toolbar of theirs .. zetapal for what i read
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[14:32] [obany:#poleshiftdiscussion PING]
[14:32] <obany> is it like the meditation hour or so
[14:32] <obany> quiet here
[14:32] <Zetapal> very interesting page obany
[14:33] <obany> and that's is those who use that alexa toolbar so gets even more visitors i think
[14:33] <Zetapal> well you know there is always a lull after a zetatalk session -
[14:33] <obany> btw brb ... going to eat something
[14:34] <Zetapal> ok
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[14:35] <DRGREEN> hello.
[14:38] <InSoMniaC420> When is the next session?
[14:43] <Zetapal> lol - next saturday Somniac
[14:43] <InSoMniaC420> aight
[14:43] <obany> wb green
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[14:43] <obany> aka baksteen :P
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[14:44] <walt> Hi QV
[14:45] <QueenVee> hello
[14:45] <obany> zo