Session Start: Mon Jan 06 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
[00:01] <walt> hi
[00:01] <humvee> been viewing the skys
[00:02] <walt> cool see anything?
[00:02] <humvee> yea can find the spot 2 look "there" now
[00:03] <walt> ?
[00:03] <walt> ok
[00:03] <humvee> finaly went to a dark spot out o city = BIG difference  4x as many stars
[00:04] <walt> too much light pollution in town
[00:04] <humvee> sent 4 a sky atlas - only works o of town yes
[00:04] <humvee> no px yet though
[00:05] <scooby> do co-ords not match up?
[00:05] <humvee> will try 2 use a camera next
[00:06] <humvee> the amount o sky i look at the coord r w/in viewing area
[00:06] <scooby> oic, so you try and find it with in there?
[00:06] <scooby> gotta be tough...
[00:07] <humvee> i made a crude graph so - i think about 3 wwek till visible w/ small scopes
[00:07] <walt> Ithought it was supposed to be visible now
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[00:07] <Ixtalan> Jello all...
[00:08] <scooby> kewl humvee...
[00:08] <scooby> jello
[00:08] <scooby> pudding
[00:08] <humvee> no showing up in 10 scopes w/ 1200sec (20min) exposures w/ red filter
[00:08] <Ixtalan> pops
[00:08] <scooby> hot showing?
[00:08] <scooby> not
[00:09] <walt> I thought it was in past pluto already
[00:09] <humvee> now showing up
[00:09] <scooby> o
[00:09] <Ixtalan> really
[00:09] <Ixtalan> interesting....
[00:09] <scooby> i dunno walt
[00:09] <Ixtalan> It would have to be
[00:09] <walt> it has to be if its going to get here by May
[00:09] <Ixtalan> past pluto
[00:09] <humvee> hav a 6" scope but does not track (no motor)
[00:10] <walt> bummer
[00:10] <humvee> no ok soon enough
[00:10] <walt> somehow the numbers arent adding up
[00:10] <Ixtalan> the motor will be useless in a short while anyway
[00:10] <Ixtalan> what numbers
[00:10] <humvee> i am doing the learning curve to be ready in time
[00:11] <humvee> #?
[00:11] <Ixtalan> ......
[00:11] <Ixtalan> what numbers......
[00:12] <walt> rate of travel
[00:12] <walt> to distance from earth
[00:12] <humvee> oh - is explained on ZT
[00:12] <Ixtalan> well......
[00:12] <Ixtalan> my answer is...
[00:12] <humvee> px is being accelerated by sun so speeding up
[00:12] <Ixtalan> The more we look out there....
[00:13] <Ixtalan> the more we prove we dont know
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[00:13] <humvee> im only a hobby astronomer
[00:13] <Ixtalan> At least that is what I get from scientists who change opinions and theorys every few generations
[00:13] <Ixtalan> some every 10 years
[00:14] <Ixtalan> depending on discoveries made
[00:14] * juditness is away.. work. [mail: judit@geekychick.org] at 09:15:28
[00:14] <Ixtalan> sure we think we know the laws of nature
[00:14] <humvee> established astronomer r like most people
[00:14] <Ixtalan> but do we really
[00:14] <Ixtalan> they are people
[00:14] <Ixtalan> with fears and bills
[00:14] <Ixtalan> just like everyone else
[00:14] <humvee> they dont entertain things that dont fit their known reality
[00:14] <Ixtalan> of course not
[00:15] <Ixtalan> when you hold such ridgid belifes you become fragile
[00:15] <Ixtalan> so you also become hard
[00:15] <choo88> anyone from asia
[00:15] <Ixtalan> not I
[00:15] <humvee> how ever every time a new breakthrough the same doubting thomas appear
[00:15] <Ixtalan> either they are paid
[00:15] <walt> that goes for all beliefs
[00:15] <Ixtalan> or they belive in what they say
[00:16] <Ixtalan> true
[00:16] <Ixtalan> almost all
[00:16] <Ixtalan> love keeps us loose
[00:16] <humvee> I jus want 2 see it myself as early as i can
[00:16] <Ixtalan> love keeps us able to accept
[00:16] <Ixtalan> I dont need to see it
[00:16] <walt> obsessive love isnt
[00:16] <Ixtalan> thats not love
[00:16] <Ixtalan> thats obsession
[00:16] <humvee> jus want lots o love in the after time
[00:17] <Ixtalan> which is a wart on love
[00:17] <walt> is to the person who has it
[00:17] <humvee> who wants 2 sleep w/aliens
[00:17] <Ixtalan> because obsession stems from Fear
[00:17] <Ixtalan> what is an alien?
[00:17] <humvee> never put it anywhere there r teeth
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[00:17] <walt> couple of those nordic babes and I might consider it
[00:18] <humvee> lots o warm little things & im happy
[00:18] <walt> or even where they mught be teeth
[00:18] <humvee> no scally lizards 4 me
[00:18] <Ixtalan> fuzzles
[00:18] <humvee> ditto
[00:19] <walt> not interested in lizard sex??
[00:19] <Ixtalan> we depending on a humans mentality they could be lizards......
[00:19] <Ixtalan> ever seen fear and loathing in las vegas
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[00:20] <walt> I remeber a time where I would have fucked a bush if I thought is had a snake in it
[00:20] <humvee> there was my favorite breakfast restaurant in Santa Cruz CA called the Bearded Clam
[00:20] <Ixtalan> while he was on  a heavy dose of lsd he hallucinated that all the vegas customers were out of control reptiles
[00:21] <Ixtalan> in a sense......acting on most primitive instinct is lizard like
[00:21] <humvee> probably was true
[00:21] <Ixtalan> we are life after all
[00:21] <Ixtalan> not human
[00:21] <Ixtalan> and Life evolves
[00:21] <humvee> jus a happy monkey here
[00:21] <Ixtalan> so it is highly likely that the energy that we are in the ether at one time experianced life as a Dinosaur.....
[00:22] <Ixtalan> it would have to
[00:22] <Ixtalan> in order to evolve
[00:22] <Ixtalan> it is funny that the part of our brains that filters reality is the Thalimus...the Lizard brain
[00:23] <Ixtalan> and even more interesting that the realm of the dinosaur did not leave...
[00:23] <Ixtalan> just evolved.......
[00:23] <Ixtalan> they are all around us....and some of the most successfull creatures on earth...
[00:23] <Ixtalan> they live on all parts
[00:23] <Ixtalan> and we call them.....birds
[00:24] <Ixtalan> what is in a name anyway.........
[00:24] <Ixtalan> lol
[00:25] <Ixtalan> .........sorry did I go off on a tangent...lol
[00:25] <scooby> http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/01/03/asteroid.encounter.reut/index.html
[00:25] <scooby> anyone else see this?
[00:26] <Ixtalan> looking at it now
[00:26] <Ixtalan> yes they are sowing their lies
[00:27] <scooby> pretty funny eh...
[00:27] <Ixtalan> just like all the terrorist warnings
[00:27] <Ixtalan> yes....
[00:27] <Ixtalan> but did you hear this
[00:27] <scooby> what a crazy orbit... kinda lkike planet x, huh?
[00:27] <scooby> like
[00:27] <Ixtalan> They said that in 2003 that the Planet mars will be closer to the planet Earth then it has ever been before...
[00:27] <scooby> yeah...
[00:28] <scooby> and did you hear that guy on coast to coast
[00:28] <Ixtalan> it will be so close that we will see it as a red spot
[00:28] <scooby> the other nite talking about how they turned up the red tint
[00:28] <scooby> in the pics they released
[00:28] <Ixtalan> no I have no idea what you are talking about
[00:28] <Ixtalan> please explain
[00:28] <scooby> actual pics for other sources show it looking "earth-like"
[00:29] <scooby> one sec for link
[00:29] <Ixtalan> k
[00:29] <Ixtalan> thanks
[00:29] <scooby> http://coasttocoastam.com/shows/
[00:29] <scooby> http://coasttocoastam.com/shows/2003/01/02.html
[00:30] <scooby> sorry...
[00:30] <scooby> follow second link
[00:30] <Ixtalan> k
[00:32] <Ixtalan> interesting
[00:32] <Ixtalan> even more so with knowledge of Px
[00:33] <Ixtalan> good reason to paint it red
[00:33] <Ixtalan> ohh dont worry ...its just mars
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[00:36] <scooby> exactly!
[00:36] <scooby> dave's not here
[00:36] <scooby> LOL
[00:36] <scooby> betcha hear that all the time...
[00:36] <dave7> Dave's back
[00:37] <Ixtalan> Good morning Dave...
[00:37] <scooby> did you see the amatuer pics?
[00:37] <scooby> http://coasttocoastam.com/gen/page11.html
[00:37] <Ixtalan> would you like to play a game of chess?
[00:37] <scooby> looks very "earth-like"
[00:37] <dave7> Good evening
[00:37] <scooby> supposed to be the "red planet"
[00:37] <scooby> HA!
[00:37] <Ixtalan> even more interesting
[00:37] <scooby> all they fucking did was turn up the red tint and if anyone messed with it, they were
[00:38] <scooby> messing with a national security issue
[00:38] <scooby> hmmmm....
[00:38] <Ixtalan> lol
[00:40] <Ixtalan> yeah the Boheimian Grove members security
[00:41] <walt> that CM 25 picture looks almost like the N.American contenent
[00:42] <dave7> Been havin beautiful weather down here lately.
[00:43] <humvee> where is down here dave
[00:44] <dave7> Central Victoria Australia
[00:44] <humvee> oh up there
[00:45] <humvee> i thought u had a dry spell
[00:45] <dave7> You in the south pole Humvee
[00:45] <humvee> farther hawaii if  u go the long way
[00:46] <dave7> Hawaii sounds good
[00:46] <humvee> been looking at nancy's new globe too much
[00:46] <scooby> lol @ humvee
[00:47] <humvee> has north & south  America in new nothe hemisphere
[00:47] <scooby> up over
[00:47] <scooby> not down under anymore
[00:48] <humvee> wat do u think of predictions re western australia
[00:49] <dave7> Been getting regular rain here laterly which is unlike other dry bits. Western Aust. not planing holiday there.
[00:49] <humvee> true
[00:50] <scooby> thought this one was interesting....
[00:50] <scooby> http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20021226diana1226fnp1.asp
[00:54] <humvee> http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx028.htm   western 2/3 of Australlia will go suddenly under water
[00:54] <humvee> dave7  due to the sharred plate with india
[00:54] <humvee> that is what i was asking you about  /  happy u r not in that part
[00:55] <dave7> Yeah, been wondering how to break it to them
[00:56] <humvee> yea we will woose 2 islands here also
[00:56] <dave7> Which ones?
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[00:57] <humvee> my auntie is going to get her beach chair out to watch close up
[00:57] <humvee> molokaii  lanai and nihihau  3 in all
[00:58] <humvee> nihihua is very small only native hawaiians they will come here to Kauai
[00:58] <dave7> i been to your place
[00:59] <humvee> Molokaii  the kahunas know & sending some children 2 live w/relitives on mainland US
[00:59] <humvee> great place 2 live & visit
[00:59] <humvee> like Australia
[01:00] <dave7> kahunas, what does that mean again?
[01:00] <humvee> Lanai nobody believes in px so they will check out
[01:00] <humvee> the Elders / wise teachers
[01:01] <dave7> Beautiful. Big shortage of them down here.
[01:02] <humvee> really I thought u had an aboriginal race of knowing peoples?
[01:03] <humvee> who was native before the white / other races moved in
[01:04] <dave7> Yeah. but they keep pretty much to themselves. The white fella has stuffed up bad. The Aborigines say they have always been here from creation.
[01:05] <humvee> yea we hav not done 2 well here either - but we try
[01:05] <humvee> hawaii all came here at some point
[01:07] <humvee> so u r local after a few months
[01:08] <dave7> I think that's what mistakes are for, to learn. Never give up brother,& you can't loose. The children of earth.
[01:08] <humvee> we are expecting some ocean tidal bore to remove all the rtental cars in may
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[01:09] <humvee> you r rite we are doing an informational blitz to let people know what to do re px
[01:11] <humvee> pennysaver story/ads  &  bulitin boards with tear off notes around island etc
[01:11] <dave7> They conned me with a wreck. But i liked the mini grand cannon place. Great, then we've done our bit. Your inspiring me.
[01:11] <humvee> I was even thinking of painting a big comet on my van with the date under it
[01:12] <humvee> I live near the grand canyon Kokee state park area
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[01:13] <Ixtalan> ahhh I just tell them to their face
[01:13] <Ixtalan> watch them look at me like I am crazy......
[01:13] <humvee> we hav a few of farmer types who r having info planing sessions this month
[01:13] <Ixtalan> untill they see that I am not
[01:14] <Ixtalan> then they get really uncomfortable
[01:14] <humvee> earlier someone here said rejection makes u strong
[01:14] <Ixtalan> ohhhh
[01:14] <Ixtalan> I dont mind
[01:14] <dave7> Was hopin late April earth changes and visable px would enlighten many.
[01:14] <Ixtalan> yes.....they will understand then....
[01:14] <Ixtalan> and thats too late
[01:15] <Ixtalan> glad I have an AK
[01:15] <humvee> im looking with telescope so I can say I have seen it
[01:16] <humvee> if u put the info out there they will start to get it
[01:16] <Ixtalan> yes
[01:16] <Ixtalan> of course
[01:16] <humvee> it is the 100 monkey theory
[01:16] <Ixtalan> word of mouth is most effective
[01:16] <Ixtalan> but that is still misinformed
[01:16] <humvee> that is what we r diong
[01:16] <Ixtalan> and because we are all lazy
[01:16] <Ixtalan> most will not do their own research
[01:16] <Ixtalan> and not prepair
[01:17] <Ixtalan> and then will turn to prey on their fellow man...
[01:17] <humvee> the most sucessful way I hav found is:
[01:17] <Ixtalan> boy I am glad I have an AK
[01:17] <Ixtalan> AK = Leave me alone
[01:17] <humvee> to make a page with 10 sentences that say "may 15th 2003 high winds & tides"
[01:17] <Ixtalan> especially because I will be with a woman....
[01:18] <Ixtalan> I tell them to notice the happenings on earth right now
[01:18] <Ixtalan> I tell them the history
[01:18] <humvee> on the other side a web site that is easier to read with links
[01:18] <Ixtalan> I tell them to watch Prince of Egypt and to understand that it is a Planet passing that caused that
[01:18] <humvee> then I cut it and have 10/page strips to give 2 someone
[01:19] <Ixtalan> as that cartoon shows that story as close as has ever been shown
[01:19] <humvee> I say have u heard re the poleshift and the high winds & tides in may
[01:19] <humvee> then I give it to them & they can look it up
[01:19] <Ixtalan> good idea
[01:20] <humvee> if they dont have internet then they atleast know that much about it
[01:20] <Ixtalan> yes.........all will know soon enough.....
[01:20] <Ixtalan> for it cannot be kept out of mainstream pasterized culture for long
[01:20] <humvee> most have been thankful 4 the info  no long pitch
[01:21] <Ixtalan> the truth is infectious
[01:21] <humvee> I think i see a trend  people last few weeks more open to it
[01:22] <scooby> yeah, its as if consciousness is shifting
[01:22] <scooby> did you see that editorial I posted the link for, humvee?
[01:22] <humvee> did u see the russian radio stations carried it
[01:22] <scooby> yeah
[01:22] <Ixtalan> I dont know...I have been staying away from people for the past 2 months
[01:22] <scooby> gov't run stations at that
[01:22] <humvee> which 1?
[01:23] <Ixtalan> of course russians would know
[01:23] <Ixtalan> they have enough facilities to house the entire country
[01:23] <humvee> yes new freedoms in russia
[01:23] <Ixtalan> not even that
[01:23] <Ixtalan> its their culture
[01:23] <Ixtalan> which is more Team oriented
[01:23] <dave7> i've told everyone that will listen. Hand sewing my backpack. no money to stock up yet. All of the people i've told don't want to think about it. don't want to discuss it. But it's good to hear your feedback.
[01:24] <humvee> when not purging of coarse
[01:24] <scooby> humvee: http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20021226diana1226fnp1.asp
[01:24] <Ixtalan> of course
[01:24] <scooby> dave7: my wife gets paniccy when discussing it so I avoid it
[01:24] <scooby> but i thnk deep down she believes
[01:24] <scooby> but would rather avaoid
[01:24] <scooby> avoid
[01:24] <Ixtalan> well that is common
[01:25] <humvee> I know what u mean my family is the worst
[01:25] <Ixtalan> but once awoken....
[01:25] <Ixtalan> you cannot go back to sleep
[01:25] <scooby> and we have 2 little kids
[01:25] <Ixtalan> let her know that
[01:25] <scooby> good point Ix
[01:25] <Ixtalan> let her know that it is importaint to deal with it
[01:25] <Ixtalan> and ignoring it will not help...
[01:25] <Ixtalan> just rot
[01:25] <Ixtalan> I am sorry
[01:25] <humvee> that is reported talking with the people here their familys dont believe them either
[01:26] <Ixtalan> but you have to put your foot down with your immediate faimly....they are your Survival team
[01:26] <scooby> i think she is happier being in denial but I have a backup plan for when she decides to wake up
[01:26] <Ixtalan> I would not be with my woman if she did not belive.....
[01:26] <humvee> most people fix their reality at a very young age
[01:26] <Ixtalan> even though I trully love her.....
[01:26] <scooby> and we have been talking about moving out of San Diego lately
[01:26] <dave7> i just talk about my preparations alot
[01:26] <Ixtalan> Belive in the possibility that is.......and accepting of what we need to do
[01:26] <humvee> if it does not agree with their reality people reject it out o hand
[01:27] <Ixtalan> I know
[01:27] <Ixtalan> they dont want to wake up
[01:27] <Ixtalan> look at  Polotics
[01:27] <scooby> i dont think she rejects it, but would rather live life as if it wont happen
[01:27] <Ixtalan> Sing her a song
[01:27] <scooby> its called denial
[01:27] <Ixtalan> You cant allways get what you waaant
[01:27] <humvee> thats ok though that type of person is leaving the planet in may
[01:27] <scooby> and it aint some river in Egypt
[01:27] <Ixtalan> lol
[01:28] <scooby> i fear that humvee
[01:28] <Ixtalan> fear what?
[01:28] <Ixtalan> Death?
[01:28] <humvee> da nile is a river in Egypt - lol
[01:28] <scooby> but she and i have 2 little ones that will be remaining
[01:28] <scooby> fear that she will be leaving me with 2 kids
[01:28] <Ixtalan> well if that is what is then it is what is
[01:28] <scooby> i do not fear death
[01:28] <scooby> it is merely a door
[01:28] <Ixtalan> there is nothing to fear
[01:28] <Ixtalan> yup
[01:29] <Ixtalan> that we use many times
[01:29] <humvee> I hav gotten exasperated with service to self individuals and dont mind any more if they leave
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[01:29] <scooby> over and over
[01:29] <dave7> GOOD ENOUGH, JUST ENOUGH.
[01:29] <scooby> they are not all bad humvee
[01:29] <Ixtalan> yes..I have allways felt that
[01:29] <humvee> there is no death actually they will just go elsewhere
[01:29] <scooby> welcome obany
[01:29] <Ixtalan> yes
[01:29] <scooby> yes humvee
[01:29] <Ixtalan> travel in the ether
[01:29] <humvee> and have more time to hang out with other like minded freinds
[01:29] <Ixtalan> yes
[01:29] <scooby> lol
[01:30] <Ixtalan> I dont like to even go outside
[01:30] <Ixtalan> my city makes me nausious
[01:30] <humvee> live indoors
[01:30] <Ixtalan> city of Oblivion
[01:30] <Ixtalan> people drink them selves to death here
[01:30] <humvee> i hav 2 go out to eat as much as i can
[01:30] <dave7> What city?
[01:30] <Ixtalan> :LaCrosse WIsconsin
[01:31] <obany> hi and i will return a little later...
[01:31] <Ixtalan> Thank God though that those vile car Flags are now almost no where to be seen
[01:31] <Ixtalan> only the truley ignorent sport it now
[01:31] <humvee> great countryside out of city and wissconsin will be warm like mexico aftrer the shift
[01:32] <Ixtalan> we will see
[01:32] <Ixtalan> cant eat the deer......
[01:32] <humvee> lets hope so   my dad just moved there
[01:32] <Ixtalan> good thing I have MRE's
[01:32] <Ixtalan> Well  I will say this....
[01:33] <humvee> my MRE's all are refried beans  cases of them
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[01:33] <Ixtalan> if you live in any city in WIsconsin and stay in it.....you are dead
[01:33] <Ixtalan> hey you know whats really good
[01:33] <Ixtalan> and easy to have
[01:33] <Ixtalan> Hummus powder
[01:33] <scooby> hummus good
[01:33] <Ixtalan> yes
[01:33] <humvee> but with just a  short drive u r out o the city & safe
[01:33] <Ixtalan> yes true....
[01:34] <Ixtalan> if your in a small city
[01:34] <dave7> Ixtalan, hang in their, think positive, get active.
[01:34] <Ixtalan> lol
[01:34] <Ixtalan> I have been waiting for this for so long......
[01:34] <Ixtalan> I am positive.....but also realistic......perhaps too realistic
[01:34] <Ixtalan> I love everyone
[01:35] <Ixtalan> but also cant wait for most of them to leave
[01:35] <humvee> lxtalan:  My dad is forming a small group there I am on the network page u can email me for info
[01:35] <Ixtalan> that I dont denie
[01:35] <Ixtalan> cool
[01:35] <humvee> humvee@hawaiian.net
[01:35] <dave7> Great. you'll be of great service to survivors
[01:35] <Ixtalan> rduke72@hotmail.com
[01:35] <Ixtalan> yes that is what I am waiting for
[01:35] <humvee> done
[01:36] <Ixtalan> I am collecting all the knowledge I can about what is happening
[01:36] <Ixtalan> so I may pass it on verbally to others
[01:36] <Ixtalan> so they may pass it on
[01:36] <Ixtalan> so we never forget
[01:36] <humvee> good
[01:36] <Ixtalan> and never allow Babylon to dominate our beings and world
[01:37] <Ixtalan> again
[01:37] <humvee> Babylon  =  Iraq
[01:37] <Ixtalan> Babylon = Civilization
[01:37] <Ixtalan> Service to Self
[01:37] <Ixtalan> Rome
[01:37] <humvee> also true
[01:37] <Ixtalan> Imperialists
[01:37] <dave7> Control freaks
[01:37] <Ixtalan> ELITE
[01:37] <Ixtalan> Royaltie
[01:38] <Ixtalan> Generals
[01:38] <Ixtalan> Presidents
[01:38] <humvee> Sadam is rebuilding Babylon very significant I think
[01:38] <Ixtalan> ........Saddam
[01:38] <humvee> Bush is getting ready 2 attack Babylon  weird
[01:38] <dave7> Babylon the vampire, sucking the blood
[01:39] <Ixtalan> Yes ....But WE are babylon
[01:39] <Ixtalan> Ancient Babylon is dead.....
[01:39] <humvee> u got 2 look 4 the tree o life
[01:39] <Ixtalan> but its children have had children
[01:39] <Ixtalan> Ganja
[01:39] <humvee> it is   water-food-shelter
[01:40] <Ixtalan> Herb will help us to servive
[01:40] <Ixtalan> no doubt
[01:40] <Ixtalan> OneLove
[01:40] <humvee> u hav 2 plan simply
[01:40] <Ixtalan> I cant wait to have Acres of Medicine....CLoths....Food....Fuel....
[01:40] <dave7> Poisoned with depleted uranium armaments. Wouldn't want to be a ground soldier.
[01:40] <Ixtalan> and buy seeds from good people
[01:40] <humvee> start with water 2 drink
[01:41] <humvee> then food/seeds
[01:41] <Ixtalan> Good thing Hemp cleans radiation out of soil
[01:41] <Ixtalan> I have filters and Sanitizers
[01:41] <humvee> then shelter tent/sleeping bag
[01:41] <Ixtalan> I also have a Collodial Silver machine
[01:41] <humvee> real good
[01:41] <Ixtalan> I need to make a distiller
[01:41] <Ixtalan> its Awesome
[01:41] <Ixtalan> CS is amazing and makes total sense
[01:42] <humvee> yes it is a coil of copper tubing fm any hardware store
[01:42] <Ixtalan> I have guns...tent ...food......cloths....plenty of water jugs
[01:42] <dave7> Can get it in health shops down her for $30 a bottle
[01:42] <Ixtalan> DO NOT BUY IT
[01:42] <Ixtalan> either build your own generator.....
[01:42] <Ixtalan> or Buy it
[01:43] <Ixtalan> I bought mine
[01:43] <humvee> get a pot & copper coil & boil some muddy water to get 2 be able 2 use it now
[01:43] <Ixtalan> and I can adjust PPM to what ever I want
[01:43] <Ixtalan> and I can use ....ANY power source
[01:43] <Ixtalan> cost me ....ohh about 150 total...
[01:43] <humvee> 2 power what
[01:43] <Ixtalan> but I could make enough CS to heal many
[01:44] <Ixtalan> my Collodial Silver generator
[01:44] <humvee> oh ic
[01:44] <Ixtalan> and it costs nothing to make .....GALLONS
[01:44] <dave7> Spiders webs is a very good anticeptic
[01:44] <Ixtalan> yes
[01:44] <humvee> try 2 make some distilled water
[01:45] <Ixtalan> I figure to make a distiller I am going to have to get some beer kegs....
[01:45] <Ixtalan> and some coils
[01:45] <humvee> not aluminum
[01:45] <Ixtalan> no ...copper
[01:45] <Ixtalan> or steel
[01:45] <DarKStaR> i have to go,just wanna tell u the weather here in montreal can. is too strange we have temp. change never seen before and NO WINTER WTF lol we use to have -20 to -30  and we got -4 to 10 this years...
[01:45] <Ixtalan> yeah Dark....
[01:45] <Ixtalan> here in Wisconsin
[01:45] <humvee> copper is good use lead free if soldered
[01:45] <Ixtalan> not a real winter either
[01:46] <Ixtalan> yes....
[01:46] <dave7> Thanks darkstar
[01:46] <DarKStaR> we got -15 one day the next one 10 ...
[01:46] <Ixtalan> I know where the plbg supply warehouse is in my area
[01:46] <Ixtalan> used to work there
[01:46] <Ixtalan> so I even know where in the ware house it is
[01:46] <DarKStaR> cya
[01:47] <Ixtalan> later
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[01:47] <dave7> We got spring in Vic 6 months late
[01:47] <Ixtalan> lol
[01:47] <Ixtalan> Dave....you in Van?
[01:48] <dave7> BRITA FILTERS . No Australia
[01:48] <Ixtalan> ahhh
[01:48] <humvee> well is midnight here & hav 2 get up at 0 dark 30
[01:48] <Ixtalan> I am not a fan of Brita filters
[01:48] <humvee> bye 4 now
[01:49] <Ixtalan> Night humvee
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[01:49] <Ixtalan> see ya later
[01:49] * obany is still here kinda
[01:49] <Ixtalan> But I will use the brita filter if there is nothing else
[01:49] <dave7> Depends on water quality
[01:50] <Ixtalan> in most cases I will use CS to purify water
[01:50] <Ixtalan> later on
[01:50] <Ixtalan> once we get set up
[01:50] <Ixtalan> untill then....
[01:50] <dave7> Seen the new forever torch?
[01:50] <Ixtalan> I have supplies to purify water for 3-6 months....
[01:50] <Ixtalan> no..
[01:51] <Ixtalan> after that....It prob will not be that hard to find a bottle of bleach if needed....
[01:51] <Ixtalan> 4-5 drops a gallon
[01:51] <dave7> Works on electromagnetism.
[01:51] <Ixtalan> really
[01:51] <Ixtalan> flashlight?
[01:51] <Ixtalan> right
[01:52] <dave7> i'll send you the write up on it.
[01:52] <Ixtalan> they really take away all the guns in Oz.....
[01:52] <Ixtalan> ?
[01:52] <dave7> NO
[01:52] <Ixtalan> you have?
[01:52] <dave7> YES
[01:52] <Ixtalan> good
[01:53] <Ixtalan> what?
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[01:53] <dave7> Grandfathers shotgun
[01:53] <Ixtalan> it works
[01:53] <Ixtalan> I have a shotgun and an ak
[01:53] <dave7> HITS everything
[01:53] <Ixtalan> lol
[01:54] <Ixtalan> my Ak does make me feel better........It does not matter that many feel that I should not have it
[01:54] <Ixtalan> if anything goes down where.anarchy insues
[01:54] <Ixtalan> I will not just stand by and watch my woman taken.....
[01:55] <Ixtalan> which I am sure might be in rare supply
[01:55] <Ixtalan> depending on groups
[01:55] <Ixtalan> not that I could go to War mind you....
[01:55] <dave7> couldn't believe mike moore got a rifle for opening a bank accont. only in US
[01:56] <Ixtalan> ahhh that was a shit rifle
[01:56] <Ixtalan> only in some parts of the us
[01:56] <Ixtalan> in NY they even ban toy guns
[01:57] <Ixtalan> In NY I would be put away just for thinking of buying an AK-47
[01:57] <Ixtalan> but like I was saying.......
[01:57] <Ixtalan> if you were a group of thugs.....you might not want to scuffle with that
[01:57] <Ixtalan> and that is my intention of having it
[01:57] <Ixtalan> my Quills
[01:58] <Ixtalan> other then that....I am a porcipine
[01:58] <Ixtalan> leave me alone .....I leave you alone
[01:58] <Ixtalan> unless of course.....it is good people
[01:58] <Ixtalan> that need help
[01:58] <dave7> USE it for goodness my brother
[01:58] <Ixtalan> allways
[01:59] <Ixtalan> I just need to mentally prepare to use it as I might have to use it
[01:59] <dave7> i couldn't afford the ammo
[01:59] <Ixtalan> yes you could
[01:59] <Ixtalan> 100 for 1000 rounds
[01:59] <Ixtalan> AK-47 ammo is cheap
[01:59] <Ixtalan> 10 cents a round
[01:59] <Ixtalan> just like shotgun shells
[02:00] <Ixtalan> cheap and plentyfull
[02:00] <dave7> can only get .22's for that down here
[02:00] <Ixtalan> check auctions
[02:01] <dave7> he who runs away lives another day
[02:01] <Ixtalan> well regaurdless......
[02:01] <Ixtalan> true
[02:01] <Ixtalan> run run run
[02:01] <Ixtalan> thats what I am doing....
[02:01] <Ixtalan> which is why I wanted it
[02:02] <Ixtalan> dont know who youll bump into
[02:02] <Ixtalan> If I was a villan
[02:02] <walt> how often do you go shooting?
[02:02] <Ixtalan> lol...
[02:02] <Ixtalan> wanna hear somthing funny
[02:02] <Ixtalan> I have never shot this rifle
[02:02] <Ixtalan> ever
[02:02] <Ixtalan> I need to go
[02:02] <dave7> from what i've seen of the states, you'll need it.
[02:03] <Ixtalan> yes....
[02:03] <Ixtalan> that is how I feel
[02:03] <Ixtalan> unfourtintly
[02:03] <walt> youve never shot it?
[02:03] <Ixtalan> no
[02:03] <Ixtalan> I cant wait....
[02:03] <walt> better start
[02:03] <Ixtalan> I have all kinds of modifications to it too
[02:03] <walt> going to the range
[02:03] <Ixtalan> ....
[02:03] <Ixtalan> I am not comfortable with taking it to a range
[02:04] <Ixtalan> its big and black and mean looking.....
[02:04] <dave7> The ammo does'nt last long
[02:04] <Ixtalan> plus I only have FMJ ammo
[02:04] <walt> you dont even know where the bullets are going to hit
[02:04] <Ixtalan> I am good with guns
[02:04] <walt> how many do you have?
[02:04] <Ixtalan> Ak-s are real reliable and very accurate with little tweaking
[02:04] <Ixtalan> 2
[02:04] <walt> and you havent shot 1
[02:05] <Ixtalan> no....
[02:05] <Ixtalan> My girlfrinds family has 100 acres
[02:05] <Ixtalan> but it is hunting season
[02:05] <walt> AK are reliable and not very accurate
[02:05] <walt> what make AK ios it?
[02:05] <Ixtalan> Vepr
[02:05] <Ixtalan> its accurate
[02:05] <walt> where from?
[02:05] <Ixtalan> Russia
[02:06] <walt> how do you know, you havent shot it
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[02:06] <Ixtalan> I can feel it.....
[02:06] <Ixtalan> lol
[02:06] <walt> give me a break
[02:06] <Ixtalan> I am serious
[02:06] <dave7> If i heard a bloody machine gun going off, i'd be out of there
[02:06] <Ixtalan> its not full auto...
[02:06] <walt> your going to trust your life and your womens to a rifle you havent even fired?
[02:06] <Ixtalan> I will fire it
[02:07] <Ixtalan> there is still time
[02:07] <walt> sell your rifle and buy some extra food or equipment
[02:07] <Ixtalan> I just dont have anywhere to go
[02:07] <Ixtalan> no....I have all the equipment allready
[02:07] <Ixtalan> the guns are part of the package
[02:07] <Ixtalan> I trust this gun
[02:08] <Ixtalan> I have taken it apart. many times
[02:08] <Ixtalan> its all smooth and nice.....
[02:08] <walt> smooth and nice doesnt make it accurate
[02:09] <dave7> SAKO 223
[02:09] <Ixtalan> I will adjust my sights and scope in a month
[02:09] <walt> you need to practice with it more than once
[02:09] <Ixtalan> yes....I understand what you are saying....
[02:09] * Aaaaa is now known as aaaaa-away
[02:09] <Ixtalan> but as I said....
[02:09] <Ixtalan> I am good with guns
[02:10] <walt> how do you know?
[02:10] <dave7> It will be a good deterent
[02:10] <Ixtalan> .......I am an expert marksman
[02:10] <Ixtalan> yeah....
[02:10] <Ixtalan> it is a good deterant....
[02:11] <walt> who has never fired the gun he is going to rely on?
[02:11] <walt> no it isnt
[02:11] <Ixtalan> we have time....
[02:11] <walt> no you dont
[02:11] <Ixtalan> and yes....
[02:11] <Ixtalan> I dont?
[02:11] <walt> it takes a while to train
[02:11] <Ixtalan> I am well versed
[02:11] <dave7> if i saw someone with an ak, i would be detered
[02:12] <Ixtalan> thats the point dave....
[02:12] <walt> I can tell by our convo that you havent shot much at all
[02:12] <Ixtalan> how is that
[02:12] <walt> dave I wouldnt
[02:12] <dave7> would'nt what
[02:12] <Ixtalan> well
[02:12] <Ixtalan> I guess that says alot right there
[02:12] <walt> expert marksman dont become expert by not firing their guns
[02:13] <walt> be dtered
[02:13] <Ixtalan> I have no where to fire this piece
[02:13] <walt> especially after a few wild round
[02:13] <Ixtalan> I am not taking it to a range......
[02:13] <Ixtalan> we will see how it behaves soon enouhg
[02:13] <Ixtalan> if it is not worth for shit.........well then its not worth for shit
[02:13] <Ixtalan> It is the model that is givin to special forces
[02:14] <walt> IX- how old are you?
[02:14] <Ixtalan> 25
[02:14] <dave7> Think positive walt. he may never have to fire it
[02:14] <walt> any military service?
[02:14] <Ixtalan> yes....enlisted at 17
[02:14] <walt> what branch?
[02:15] <Ixtalan> Navy.....entered as a CTO because they told me I was color blind which disqualified me from my only reason of being inthe navy....SEALS...I know I know...everyone says that
[02:15] <Ixtalan> and upon arriving in Boot camp
[02:16] <Ixtalan> I took the color blind test again
[02:16] <Ixtalan> Passed it and did not miss one
[02:16] <Ixtalan> Never failed it since
[02:16] <Ixtalan> And since I was no longer color blind
[02:16] <Ixtalan> I then could qualifiy to go to Buds
[02:17] <Ixtalan> which I did after tons of Crap .....and dealing with my shitty CTO job
[02:17] <Ixtalan> They called me out of That training after 5 weeks
[02:17] <Ixtalan> becuse I had too much money invested for too short a time of enlistment
[02:17] <Ixtalan> so
[02:17] <Ixtalan> when I got back to GUAM
[02:17] <dave7> i was in the R.A.N.
[02:18] <Ixtalan> NCTAMS westpac
[02:18] <Ixtalan> I no longer was a S
[02:18] <Ixtalan> CTO
[02:18] <Ixtalan> and not really attached to any division
[02:18] <Ixtalan> Getting really tired of the military bullshit
[02:18] <Ixtalan> I basisly did nothign for 6 months
[02:18] <Ixtalan> I did lots of shooting
[02:19] <Ixtalan> got qualed on m-14.m-16 9mm berretta
[02:19] <Ixtalan> 45
[02:19] <Ixtalan> etc etc
[02:19] <Ixtalan> I also worked in a bar and did lots of diving
[02:19] <Ixtalan> got out
[02:19] <Ixtalan> and thats that
[02:20] <Ixtalan> enough?
[02:20] <Ixtalan> I know guns
[02:20] <Ixtalan> I know this gun
[02:21] <Ixtalan> and you would not want to be on the end of anything like that in my hands
[02:21] <Ixtalan> untested or not
[02:21] <Ixtalan> if you had malice in your heart
[02:21] <Ixtalan> it could be off....
[02:21] <Ixtalan> by an inch
[02:21] <Ixtalan> or two
[02:22] <Ixtalan> but at 50-100 meters....
[02:22] <walt> or 6
[02:22] <Ixtalan> six?
[02:22] <Ixtalan> I would have a real piece of shit on my hands
[02:22] <Ixtalan> good thing I have lots of 30 round clips
[02:23] <walt> mine was
[02:23] <Ixtalan> was it wood?
[02:23] <walt> 6 right and 1.5 ft low
[02:23] <Ixtalan> was it used
[02:23] <dave7> no doubt he'll sight the thing in , in good time
[02:23] <Ixtalan> accuracy by volume
[02:23] <Ixtalan> if need be....
[02:24] <walt> uh huh
[02:24] <Ixtalan> Well .....I could not AFFORD the COLT ar-15
[02:24] <Ixtalan> so  the AK will have to do
[02:25] <Ixtalan> still have time......
[02:25] * obany doesn't have guns and pistols ... .. our law of weapon use is well better i think ..
[02:26] <obany> even guns that use air can't be bought that easily anymore
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[02:26] <Ixtalan> yeah........I am still glad I have it....
[02:27] <Ixtalan> Not that I am itching to cause damage to fellow life
[02:27] <obany> Netherlands here
[02:27] <Ixtalan> you wouldnot have the need would you?
[02:27] <Ixtalan> I am in Amerikkka.....there will be all kinds of groups....
[02:27] <Ixtalan> all kinds of Pirates
[02:28] <Ixtalan> and accuracy or no .....
[02:28] <Ixtalan> people are not eager to follow you if you have an assault weapon
[02:29] <Ixtalan> and thats all I want from it.....
[02:29] <walt> depends on what you have
[02:29] <Ixtalan> if it so happens to operate to my minimal expectations then I am happy
[02:29] * aaaaa-away is now known as Aaaaa
[02:30] <Ixtalan> a Big Black AK-47
[02:31] <Ixtalan> and your right walt.....it could be off.......
[02:31] <Ixtalan> we will see
[02:31] <walt> I could also be wrong
[02:31] <Ixtalan> it could be dead on
[02:31] <walt> the point is you dont know
[02:31] <Ixtalan> true
[02:31] <Ixtalan> and the ammo could get cut
[02:32] <walt> I know where each of mine shhot
[02:32] <Ixtalan> yes.....importaint to understand the feel....
[02:32] <Aaaaa> As a young teenager in Brooklyn, N.Y. we made zip guns from a short piece of pipe, some wood ,a rubber band and a gate hook. They worked well at close range.
[02:32] <Ixtalan> I figure that 500 rounds is enought to become aquanted
[02:32] <Ixtalan> 1500 to fall in love
[02:33] <Ixtalan> I am more worried about the ammo then the gun itself......
[02:34] <Ixtalan> also have a muzzle break and broken shell extractor
[02:34] <walt> have you tested all your mags
[02:34] <Ixtalan> yes
[02:35] <walt> do they function/feed properly
[02:35] <Ixtalan> yes
[02:35] <Aaaaa> Firecrackers in a piece of auto antenna with a ball bearing worked when no bullets available.
[02:35] <walt> how if you dint fire the gun
[02:35] <Ixtalan> brand new parkerized 30 rounders
[02:35] <Ixtalan> Load a round
[02:35] <walt> some mags tend to jam more than others
[02:35] <Ixtalan> expell a round
[02:36] <Ixtalan> I have loaded all of my clips twice.......and unloaded twice
[02:36] <Ixtalan> smooth smooth smooth
[02:37] <Ixtalan> walt....for real...its killing me enough....I want to fire it bad......I just accept that at this moment I cant
[02:37] <Ixtalan> so it will have to do.......
[02:37] <Ixtalan> I have to wait.....
[02:37] <Ixtalan> all of my gear is good
[02:38] <Aaaaa> Leaf springs and brake cable wire from an old auto make a good crossbow; an antenna for the dart (arrow).
[02:38] <Ixtalan> lol
[02:38] <walt> AAA you ever try that?
[02:38] <Ixtalan> now I would follow someone with somthing like that
[02:38] <Aaaaa> yes
[02:38] <Ixtalan> prob kill themselves
[02:39] <Ixtalan> lol
[02:39] <walt> how did you load
[02:39] <Aaaaa> 2x4 for stock, pull back to trigger
[02:40] <Ixtalan> well.......I plan on hiding mostly anyway.....
[02:40] <walt> the only time I made a crossbow out of car springs we had to mount it on a stand
[02:40] <walt> and cock it with a car jack
[02:40] <Aaaaa> use smaller springs
[02:40] <Ixtalan> no reasons here to take unneeded risks
[02:40] <Aaaaa> pullwith feet
[02:41] <Ixtalan> thats all you
[02:41] <walt> but it threw a 3 ft 3/8' pcs of rebar over 150 yards
[02:41] <Aaaaa> yup!
[02:41] <Ixtalan> ouch
[02:42] <walt> looked like on of those roman ballistas
[02:42] <Aaaaa> and silent!
[02:43] <Ixtalan> but awkward
[02:43] <Ixtalan> and cumbersome
[02:43] <Aaaaa> not if made right
[02:43] <Ixtalan> decent thing to use a a booby trap
[02:43] <Ixtalan> I guess you could make a small one
[02:44] <Aaaaa> yes
[02:44] * scooby is now known as scooby-afk
[02:44] <scooby-afk> nite gun toting people
[02:44] <scooby-afk> lol
[02:44] <Ixtalan> lol
[02:44] <Ixtalan> night
[02:44] <Aaaaa> and there will be plenty of autos to scavenge from
[02:44] <Ixtalan> yes
[02:44] <Ixtalan> also plenty of ammunition
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[02:46] <Ixtalan> so walt....what do you have?
[02:48] <Ixtalan> Aaaa is that your plan of self defense?....leaf spring cross bows?
[02:48] <walt> I dont discuss what I have over the net
[02:48] <Ixtalan> ok....must be the good stuff
[02:48] <Ixtalan> lol
[02:48] <Aaaaa> have one of those plus a 30-30 plus aglock
[02:48] <walt> one never knows who monitors the chat rooms
[02:49] <Aaaaa> Glock
[02:49] <Ixtalan> true
[02:49] <Ixtalan> but I dont care
[02:49] <Ixtalan> It does not matter
[02:49] <Aaaaa> will get a shot gun
[02:49] <walt> but i have enough
[02:49] <walt> shotguns are great
[02:49] <Aaaaa> yes
[02:49] <Ixtalan> yes I have one of those too
[02:49] <Ixtalan> need slugs for it
[02:50] <Ixtalan> which is a 5 min drive to wal mart
[02:50] <Ixtalan> if needed
[02:50] <Tizza> heya all
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[02:50] <Ixtalan> hello
[02:50] <walt> get Brennke slugs for it
[02:50] <Ixtalan> Brennke..ok
[02:51] <Ixtalan> I would like to get some fletchet rounds for it
[02:51] <walt> waste of money
[02:51] <Ixtalan> really
[02:51] <Aaaaa> piece of capped water pipe with an old spark plug, spray in hair spray, shove in potato, willshoot 100 yards
[02:52] <walt> yep spud guns
[02:52] <Tizza> :) sounds fun
[02:52] <Ixtalan> yes potato guns.......I would rather eat the potato
[02:52] <Aaaaa> yup
[02:52] <Ixtalan> lol
[02:52] <Ixtalan> or plant it
[02:53] <Aaaaa> shove in bag of mud with rocks
[02:53] <Ixtalan> lol
[02:53] <walt> plant it in a tire
[02:53] <Aaaaa> always way to make a weapon if you think!
[02:54] <walt> wait till it grows a bit and put another tire over it
[02:54] <walt> fikk with straw
[02:54] <walt> fill
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[02:54] <Tizza> as long as you have a gas propelant available
[02:54] <walt> do this with about 4-5 fires high
[02:54] <walt> tire
[02:54] <Ixtalan> thats a lot of potatos
[02:54] <Ixtalan> good info
[02:54] <Tizza> walt : tis the way to do it :)
[02:55] <Richard> hi all
[02:55] <Ixtalan> hi
[02:55] <Tizza> hey
[02:55] <Aaaaa> Tizza, back to crossbow
[02:55] <walt> I dont use tires tho I use fence wire
[02:55] <Ixtalan> well lets not forget to plant hemp
[02:55] <Tizza> :)
[02:55] <walt> same concept
[02:55] <Ixtalan> yes....good thinking
[02:55] <Ixtalan> easy harvest
[02:55] <Tizza> not so silly walt
[02:56] <Ixtalan> That is a plant that I am putting my trust in
[02:56] <Richard> Ixtalan where do you get hemp seeds without the THC or can the plant suit both smoke and industrial use purposes
[02:57] <walt> lots of the cherry tomatoes grow as a vine so grow them upwards also
[02:57] <Ixtalan> ......good question
[02:57] <Richard> so do you use smoking variety to make rope also is the question
[02:57] <Ixtalan> You can procure Hemp seeds from seed banks in Canada.....
[02:57] <Ixtalan> and yes
[02:57] <walt> you can get hemp along the freway in nebraska
[02:57] <Tizza> walt : if you do it with tires tho you can effectivly "seal" the crop from pests
[02:58] <Ixtalan> you can use the smoking kind for rope and etc
[02:58] <Richard> great
[02:58] <walt> it is illegal to grow it tho
[02:58] <Ixtalan> you have to plant it close togehter
[02:58] <Ixtalan> well we all know that law is pure shite
[02:58] <Ixtalan> I mean WAR
[02:58] <walt> "nebraska no high"
[02:58] <Richard> close together for making rope purposes you mean?
[02:58] <Ixtalan> yes
[02:58] <obany> i have seen sites where one can order that kind of seed forr  the THC version, but then iagain i am dutch :)
[02:58] <Aaaaa> not illegle in aftertime
[02:58] <obany> but i don't smoke it
[02:58] <Tizza> to make it reach for the light so its "stringier"
[02:58] <Ixtalan> you have to plant it close together so it grows tall
[02:58] <walt> have you ever made rope from plant fiber
[02:59] <Ixtalan> yes
[02:59] <Richard> but inhale   ~;+)
[02:59] <Ixtalan> allways
[02:59] <walt> what did you use
[02:59] <Tizza> Ixtalan:do you do it green or dried?
[02:59] <obany> we have a wierd law here, it's illegal but in some wierd kind of manner ...
[02:59] <obany> it's allowed to grow one plant at home for your own use
[03:00] <Ixtalan> for medicinal herb plant your plants in  deep rich soil 5 feet away from the others
[03:00] <Tizza> is "decrimelised"   (?)   here
[03:00] <Ixtalan> Well Flushed ,,,,,and Well Cured Hopfully
[03:00] <Tizza> slap on the wrist nearly
[03:00] <Aaaaa> "here"is?
[03:00] <Ixtalan> Decriminalised is a scam,
[03:00] <Ixtalan> it needs to be legal......
[03:00] <Ixtalan> period
[03:01] <Tizza> :0
[03:01] <Ixtalan> no fines
[03:01] <Richard> to make rope would you takes stribs from the trunk?
[03:01] <walt> stinging nettle and flax ca also be used for cord making
[03:01] <Ixtalan> yes I used flax
[03:01] <walt> the trunk of what?
[03:01] <Tizza> flax is VERY good, very strong
[03:01] <Richard> trunk of hemp
[03:01] <Ixtalan> not as strong as hemp
[03:01] <walt> rhetting is a bitch tho
[03:01] <Richard> have flax bushes at home here
[03:01] <Tizza> me 3
[03:01] <Ixtalan> rhetting is easy
[03:01] <Ixtalan> let is lay
[03:02] <Tizza> gets caught in my wipper snipper all the time :(
[03:02] <Ixtalan> hemp is labor intesive..
[03:02] <Ixtalan> I reccomend purchasing the Emerpor Wears no CLoths
[03:02] <Richard> you from Mexico Ixtalan?
[03:02] <Ixtalan> it has pictures of the machines and tools used for hemp processing
[03:02] <walt> "womens Work" is anther good book on fibers
[03:03] <Ixtalan> as well as well documented case on the WAR on HEMP
[03:03] <Ixtalan> no I am from US
[03:03] <Ixtalan> I read books.......lol
[03:03] <Richard> Is Emperour book on the web?
[03:03] <Ixtalan> yes it is
[03:03] <Ixtalan> but the online version does not have the pictures
[03:03] <Ixtalan> or diagrams
[03:03] <Richard> you have a URL please
[03:03] <Ixtalan> or growing guides
[03:03] <Richard> dang
[03:03] <Ixtalan> ok hold on
[03:04] <Richard> any print  ...lol
[03:04] <Ixtalan> its only 20 bucks
[03:04] <Ixtalan> well worth is
[03:04] <Ixtalan> it
[03:04] <Richard> I haven't got 20 bucks
[03:04] * Aaaaa is now known as Aaaaa-away
[03:04] <Ixtalan> .........ok
[03:04] <Ixtalan> then I can describe what you will need
[03:04] <Ixtalan> 5 boards
[03:04] <Ixtalan> with nails in them
[03:04] <Ixtalan> each more then the other
[03:05] <Richard> yep
[03:05] <Ixtalan> you will need a break....like a scissor....take 2X4's
[03:05] <Ixtalan> =============
[03:05] <Ixtalan> and -----------------------
[03:06] <Ixtalan> you want the ---------------- to fit into the ================
[03:06] <Ixtalan> so you can break the stalk
[03:06] <Ixtalan> a metal rind...
[03:06] <Ixtalan> ring
[03:06] <Ixtalan> large
[03:06] <Ixtalan> at least 4-6 inches
[03:07] <Ixtalan> to pull fiber through
[03:07] <Richard> yep
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[03:07] <Ixtalan> then you will need a way to thread the fiber together...
[03:07] <Ixtalan> spinning wheel
[03:07] <Richard> hmm
[03:08] <Ixtalan> I know
[03:08] <Ixtalan> its easier to make then you think
[03:08] <Richard> but could be plaited?
[03:08] <Ixtalan> yes....if you were not making cloth
[03:08] <Richard> ok
[03:08] <Ixtalan> dont forget....
[03:09] <Ixtalan> your grandchildren would wear your hemp shirt
[03:09] <Richard> ummm
[03:09] <Ixtalan> not to mention that the seeds are HIGHLY nutritious
[03:09] <Richard> they aren't having my Hawkwind hemp shirt ;)
[03:09] <Ixtalan> and you can make fuel from the seeds as well
[03:10] <Richard> I read on TT that the seeds were very nutritious
[03:10] <Ixtalan> very
[03:10] <Richard> hi Scooby
[03:10] <Ixtalan> hemp is the most complete of all our foods
[03:10] <Richard> agreed
[03:10] <Ixtalan> it is an aqired taste at first though
[03:11] <Ixtalan> but once aquired .....very welcomed
[03:11] <Tizza> interesting.......
[03:11] <Richard> made mint sauce this afternoon from mint out of the garden
[03:11] <Ixtalan> and as far as we know..........NO GMO GANJA PLANTS EXIST
[03:12] <Richard> lets hope not Ixtalan
[03:12] <Tizza> yum :0 hade my first cobs of corn the other night
[03:12] <Ixtalan> nice....I cant wait for a garden
[03:12] <Tizza> very juicy
[03:12] <walt> TIZZ where you at?
[03:12] <Tizza> much nicer than shop stuff
[03:12] <Ixtalan> of course
[03:13] <Richard> I hope the wait to reestablish gardens of eden in the aftertime isn't too long a wait
[03:13] <Ixtalan> yes.....
[03:13] <Tizza> :) wot ...you cant grow corn this time of year???  hehehe    Aust
[03:13] <Ixtalan> that is my hope as well
[03:13] <walt> I thought so
[03:13] <Tizza> :)
[03:13] <Richard> I have 3 grapevines in the garden and have trained them over a pagola walkway
[03:13] <Tizza> thought someone would pick up on it :)
[03:14] <Richard> we may just miss this harvest which is HUGE due to grapes maturing in autumn here
[03:14] <Tizza> tomatoes on the way too
[03:14] <Ixtalan> Well .........I know that Hemp will be one of the first plants to prosper in the new world
[03:14] <Ixtalan> it will become our work horse again
[03:14] <Ixtalan> fixing the soil
[03:15] <Richard> well keep plenty of seed Ixtalan
[03:15] <Tizza> Iztalan :  yes but i cant make up my mind if thats a good thing or not
[03:15] <Ixtalan> lol
[03:15] <Ixtalan> why would it not be a good thing?
[03:15] <Tizza> soz...iX!
[03:15] <Tizza> you know ...the "drug" issue all over again...
[03:15] <Richard> wonder if lupins will do well after as they are great for putting nitrogen into the soil
[03:15] <Ixtalan> Hemp has allways been there for us.........it has only been demonized for the past 70 years
[03:15] <Tizza> it WILL get abused
[03:16] <Richard> however I find the worms leave the area
[03:16] <Ixtalan> ....
[03:16] <Ixtalan> hemp
[03:16] <Ixtalan> abused
[03:16] <Richard> too much nitrogen for them to compete I think
[03:16] <Tizza> yes with this generation who will carry thru the attitude
[03:16] <Ixtalan> well
[03:16] <obany> i am not going to smoke pot or so after the shift, ... what is the use of it..
[03:16] <Ixtalan> keep us calm
[03:16] <Ixtalan> help us know ourselves
[03:16] <obany> those who want to ... go ahead
[03:16] * Aaaaa-away is now known as Aaaaa
[03:16] <Richard> and good for those in a dazed condition afterwards
[03:17] <Tizza> yes but we will need much motivation....not really the ideal item to do that is it? :)
[03:17] <Richard> "what has happened to my world"
[03:17] <Ixtalan> it is the tree of life
[03:17] <Ixtalan> it does not make you lazy
[03:17] <obany> maybe it has some good purposes, but it's not the tree of life ..  
[03:17] <Ixtalan> it makes what you think it makes
[03:17] <Tizza> guess that depends on just how good it is huh?
[03:17] <Ixtalan> oh really
[03:17] <Ixtalan> Tree of Life
[03:17] <Ixtalan> no douby
[03:17] <Tizza> :):)
[03:17] <Ixtalan> Kannah Blossum
[03:18] <Ixtalan> Do you know
[03:18] <Tizza> Kannah have some ?
[03:18] <Aaaaa> it can help relieve tired muscles and keep you going
[03:18] <Tizza> soz....no
[03:18] <Ixtalan> yes
[03:18] <Ixtalan> Slaves used it
[03:18] <Ixtalan> still do
[03:18] <Aaaaa> yes
[03:18] <Ixtalan> it helps to heal
[03:18] <Ixtalan> it helps to relax
[03:18] <Ixtalan> it helps to think
[03:18] <Ixtalan> it is a good thing
[03:18] <Ixtalan> it helps MS
[03:19] <Ixtalan> it help asthma
[03:19] <Ixtalan> it helps TB
[03:19] <Tizza> like everything...in the right doses i guess
[03:19] <Ixtalan> and the right frame of mind
[03:19] <Ixtalan> it is a tool
[03:19] <Ixtalan> not a party
[03:19] <Tizza> :)
[03:19] <Ixtalan> although it is great for social events as well
[03:19] <Tizza> naturaly :)
[03:20] <Aaaaa> yes
[03:20] <Ixtalan> anyway
[03:20] <Ixtalan> I was going to say
[03:20] <Ixtalan> do you know what the word Christ means....
[03:20] <Ixtalan> Or Christain
[03:20] <Richard> no
[03:20] <walt> it cures cuts and corns and and torn buttholes, and make child birthing a pleasure
[03:20] <Ixtalan> It means Anointed one......
[03:21] <Ixtalan> It means that the Rabbi would prepare an oil
[03:21] <Aaaaa> with?
[03:21] <Ixtalan> which according to the Kaballa
[03:21] <Richard> and the oil was ...
[03:21] <Ixtalan> calls for 5 pound of Kanna Blossum
[03:21] <Ixtalan> Olive
[03:21] <walt> olive
[03:21] <Ixtalan> oil
[03:21] <Ixtalan> then they would pour this oil over you
[03:22] <Ixtalan> and needless to say........
[03:22] <Ixtalan> no one here has ever consumed that much THC at one time
[03:22] <Ixtalan> lol
[03:22] <Tizza> he
[03:22] <Ixtalan> they did not shower regularly
[03:22] <Richard> THC in olive oil?
[03:22] <walt> but I know people who have tried
[03:23] <Aaaaa> lol
[03:23] <Ixtalan> yes
[03:23] <Tizza> O.D. on THC   lol
[03:23] <Ixtalan> along with other entheogens
[03:23] <Ixtalan> OD on THC?
[03:23] <Ixtalan> its about impossible
[03:23] <Tizza> hence the "lol"   :0
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[03:23] <Richard> well thta's something they don't tell you everyday
[03:23] <Ixtalan> wanna hear another one?
[03:23] <Richard> like passing planets ;)
[03:24] <Ixtalan> lol
[03:24] <Ixtalan> no ....
[03:24] <Richard> `:+)
[03:24] <Ixtalan> have you heard of the true nature of the Christmas present
[03:24] <Richard> go ahead
[03:24] <Ixtalan> ........Well........
[03:24] <Richard> came from the Dutch didn't it?
[03:24] <Tizza> here we go.....  :)
[03:24] <Ixtalan> Russians
[03:24] <Richard> hang a minute that was St Nicholas
[03:24] <Ixtalan> 6-10000 years ago
[03:25] <Ixtalan> Well santa is a combination
[03:25] <Richard> sorry carry on
[03:25] <Ixtalan> np
[03:25] <Ixtalan> anyway........
[03:25] <Ixtalan> Shamans would collect Anamantia Muscaria Mushrooms
[03:25] <Ixtalan> that grew under Pine trees.....
[03:26] <Ixtalan> and showed up around the 25 of December
[03:26] <obany> some part of Santa Claus is well Dutch
[03:26] <Ixtalan> which is really Osiris's Birthday
[03:26] <Ixtalan> yes
[03:26] <Ixtalan> all cultures has a role
[03:26] <Ixtalan> anyway
[03:27] <Ixtalan> Anamantia Muscaria needs to be dried. for the pscoactive ingredients to become more potent
[03:27] <Ixtalan> to dry them
[03:27] <Ixtalan> they would string these decent sized red and whilte mushrooms like popcorn
[03:27] <Ixtalan> and hang them near a fire
[03:28] <Ixtalan> .....changes the meaning of the stocking stuffer
[03:28] <Richard> :+)
[03:28] <Ixtalan> also the shaman would wear red and white...while they went around handing the mushrooms out
[03:29] <Ixtalan> I have found pictures of old ornements that are clearly musrooms.......
[03:29] <Richard> and would that have originated in the St Petersburg area?
[03:29] <Aaaaa> silly psyban 'shrooms
[03:29] <Ixtalan> perhaps....
[03:29] <Ixtalan> I am not that well versed in it...I just know the generals
[03:30] <Richard> cause that area is still very shaman active
[03:30] <Ixtalan> Well Canada has them as well......
[03:30] <Richard> some amazing (music) groups from that part of Russia
[03:30] <Ixtalan> lol
[03:30] <Ixtalan> you think
[03:30] <Richard> I've heard some
[03:31] <Ixtalan> All of our music is from our experiances with these wonderfull compounds
[03:31] <Richard> agreed
[03:31] <Richard> unless corporate rock
[03:31] <Ixtalan> most of them exist in our systems anyway
[03:32] <Ixtalan> Cannabiods for example make up our basic endocrine system pyramid
[03:32] <Ixtalan> we would not be alive if we did not have them
[03:32] <Richard> I think the name Ixtalan was used in the Carlos Castanada books
[03:32] <Ixtalan> you are correct.......It was Don Generos home
[03:33] <Ixtalan> 4th book I belive
[03:33] <Richard> :+)
[03:33] <obany> and you know the zetatalk stance on Carlos Castanada
[03:33] <Richard> been 30 years since I've read the books
[03:33] <Ixtalan> no
[03:33] <Ixtalan> what is it
[03:34] <Ixtalan> ?
[03:34] <Richard> he may be looking for link
[03:34] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/beinghum/b78.htm
[03:34] <obany> that was it
[03:34] <Richard> hey
[03:34] <obany> it's to long to say over here
[03:36] <Tizza> (it all goes quiet as everyone looks)    :)
[03:36] <Richard> will read that again a little later. Thanks obany
[03:36] <Richard> he he
[03:36] <Ixtalan> Well unfourtinutly people do use them as an escape
[03:36] <Ixtalan> but if you ever really did them....
[03:36] <Ixtalan> you would quickyly understand that there is no escape
[03:37] <Ixtalan> and yes.......
[03:37] <Ixtalan> the world of Enteogens is not for everyone
[03:37] <Ixtalan> more like a small portion
[03:37] <Ixtalan> And yes.......Don Juan no longer needed the power plants
[03:37] <Tizza> well im off to bed
[03:38] <Ixtalan> he had achieved a level unthought of by most
[03:38] <Aaaaa> Well, you all been fun, but it's 3:30 AM and I need some sleep...G'nite!
[03:38] <Ixtalan> gnight
[03:38] <Richard> same here ..its coming up to 1am
[03:38] <Tizza> have a pleasant day/night were ever you  may be :)
[03:38] <Ixtalan> OneLove
[03:38] <Richard> later all
[03:38] <Aaaaa> Bye!
[03:38] <Tizza> bya all
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[03:39] <Ixtalan> who is left?
[03:39] <obany> i am
[03:39] <Ixtalan> cool
[03:40] <Ixtalan> what do you want to talk about?
[03:40] <obany> not sure don't have any real issues to discuss at the current time... so i could ask you the sam thing, what do you want to talk about
[03:41] <Ixtalan> anything
[03:41] <obany> well you name a thing...
[03:42] <obany> as right now i can't think about something, well we can talk about preparing, our stance about it all ... .. the aftertime ... .. so many things to discuss
[03:42] <Ixtalan> aftertime
[03:42] <Ixtalan> where do you see your role
[03:42] <Ixtalan> ?
[03:44] <obany> well helping people ... talking to them understanding them ... .. hard to tell .. but yes i think i will have a role then
[03:45] <Ixtalan> yes......helping people.....
[03:46] <obany> i consider that very important, it's something i like
[03:46] <Ixtalan> I can see myself aquiring a group..........
[03:46] <Ixtalan> like a snowball
[03:46] <obany> ah
[03:46] <obany> growing bigger and bigger
[03:46] <Ixtalan> well
[03:46] <Ixtalan> that would have to almost have  limit
[03:47] <Ixtalan> I am not sure I would want to be part of a large group
[03:47] <Ixtalan> small group
[03:47] <Ixtalan> but who is to say
[03:47] <Ixtalan> we plan.....god laughs
[03:47] <obany> small group is better yes... is better also ... Zetatalk also says that ..
[03:48] <obany> i don't have a group right now, ... ... a friend yes that also will move but that's about it
[03:48] <Ixtalan> I can see orphans
[03:48] <obany> but i think i will make it
[03:49] <Ixtalan> If I dont.......I hope my supplies save someone
[03:49] <obany> i understand that
[03:50] <Ixtalan> but I also see myself surviving it as well
[03:50] <Ixtalan> and to be real honest.......if its half bad as they say it is.....I am not sticking my head above ground for at least 6 months
[03:51] <Ixtalan> I have also been prepairing for the isolation.......
[03:51] <obany> isolation, ... why ?
[03:52] <Ixtalan> because I do not wish to be victimized by starving mobs
[03:52] <obany> i don't see a point in isolation
[03:53] <Ixtalan> Well .....its not going to be nice outside anyway.....
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[03:53] <Ixtalan> But I will cross that road when it arrives
[03:54] <Freddo> hi all
[03:55] <obany> hi freddo
[03:55] <Ixtalan> I have a group.//(few friends..who understand).....so I guess I will not be that isolated.......we just wont bearound the masses.......
[03:55] <Ixtalan> hi freddo
[03:56] <obany> Ixtalan: well okay i understand that, and it's better to stay in a good place not near a previous city etc etc ...
[03:56] <Ixtalan> yes,,,that is what i mean by isolation.....
[03:56] <obany> okay okay
[03:56] <Ixtalan> more like Insulation
[03:56] <obany> well then you are right
[03:57] <Ixtalan> yeah I dont mean me and my ak sitting in a log for 6 months..lol
[03:57] <Ixtalan> thats funny.....lol
[03:58] <Ixtalan> be like the last Japanese troops to surrender WW2
[03:58] <Ixtalan> 50 years later.....crawling out from under a stump
[03:58] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/xtime/x16.htm
[03:59] <Ixtalan> yes...very good SOP
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[03:59] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/xtime/x10.htm
[03:59] <obany> hi sotos
[03:59] <sotos> hello :)
[04:00] * obany is going downstairs for a while .. moment
[04:00] <Ixtalan> We have also advised, as has Nancy within Troubled Times, to keep a low profile, not advertise your site or your presence-----
[04:00] <Ixtalan> no problem
[04:06] <sotos> I have to take care for 12-15 people.. So I have to divide in 2 or 3 groups
[04:07] <sotos> Next weekend I will go for safe place searching in olympus mountain
[04:09] <sotos> And I have been made a list with supllies to take with me....But as ZT say, You will find your self unpreperd when the ps come.
[04:10] <Ixtalan> you allways forget somthing......
[04:10] <sotos> Makes you think will be anyone alive after the ps?
[04:10] <Ixtalan> makes me think that a lot less people will be alive
[04:10] <Ixtalan> Cities especially
[04:11] <Ixtalan> I think the country is a better place
[04:11] <sotos> I agree
[04:11] <Ixtalan> the further away from a major metropopliton area the better
[04:11] <sotos> But never sure for the location ee?
[04:11] <Ixtalan> for to be in a city would be a hell on earth
[04:12] <sotos> because the earth might open under your feet and eat you
[04:12] <Ixtalan> never sure about anything
[04:12] <Ixtalan> Bush might set off a whole world of shit if he invades iraq
[04:12] <sotos> or a volcano will be starting beside you
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[04:13] <Ixtalan> so perhaps many will not even make it to the event
[04:13] <sotos> But as far as I know volcanos start from ground level
[04:13] <sotos> not mountain
[04:13] <Ixtalan> unless the mountain is a Volcano
[04:13] <sotos> same for plate cracks
[04:13] <sotos> hehe yes
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[04:14] <Ixtalan> dont sweat that though
[04:17] <sotos> the last weeks almost every day in Greece a earthquaqe above 4 hapens.... But the sientists at the media are so confused!
[04:18] <sotos> they don't know what to say...and they say those quaqes are following quaqes from bigger ones before YEARS!
[04:18] <Ixtalan> they dont know much
[04:18] <sotos> They have red faces when they say that
[04:20] <Ixtalan> cause they know only one thing
[04:20] <sotos> STO must say the truth even if they don't know what hapent
[04:20] <Ixtalan> Well....in my honest opinion....I think the signs are quite clear
[04:20] <sotos> ARE VERY CLEAR
[04:21] <Ixtalan> gnight all
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[04:49] <Ogmios> hi
[04:49] <Ogmios> christian holiday today
[04:49] <Ogmios> tomorrow orthdox xmas
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[05:04] <tex-away> obany: http://starbulletin.com/2003/01/05/news/story2.html
[05:29] <obany> well i have to work etc... in about an hour ...
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[05:29] <Ogmios> no workday here
[05:29] <Ogmios> shops are closen
[05:30] <obany> large  waves, tex-waves
[05:30] <obany> away
[05:30] <Ogmios> orthodox xmas eve...well we have some orthdox ppl in finland
[05:31] <obany> Yes yes okay okay ...  
[05:31] <Ogmios> dont know english name for this day
[05:31] <Ogmios> loppiainen
[05:32] <obany> well yes in greece and Russia etc it's different
[05:32] <obany> the orthodox church
[05:33] <Ogmios> we so close to russia
[05:33] <Ogmios> under russian rule we used gregorian calender though
[05:34] <Ogmios> semi independent
[05:34] <Ogmios> own senate, money, army
[05:34] <Ogmios> laws
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[05:35] <obany> aH
[05:35] <tied2>   «««««««««««« Hello  »»»»»»»»»»»»
[05:35] <Ogmios> hi
[05:35] <obany> hello
[05:38] <Ogmios> we still have xmas tree
[05:39] <Ogmios> its outside though
[05:39] <Ogmios> we had 2
[05:39] <Ogmios> other one inside
[05:40] <Ogmios> but i carried it away
[05:40] <Ogmios> looks nice at night..with light on
[05:40] <obany> :)
[05:41] <Ogmios> obany guess how cold it was today?
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[05:43] <Ogmios> http://www.fmi.fi/saa/paikalli.html?kunta=Pori
[05:44] <Ogmios> brrrrr
[05:44] <obany> warm :P
[05:44] <obany> that's hot :P
[05:44] <Humor> Time to get Ogmios warmed up!
[05:44] * obany gives ogmios some hot choco
[05:44] <obany> here drink it
[05:45] <Ogmios> thanks!
[05:45] <Ogmios> :)
[05:45] <Humor> Adds marshmellows
[05:45] <Ogmios> mmmmmmm
[05:45] <obany> brb
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[05:58] <Ogmios> time to download some frank sinatra music
[05:58] <Ogmios> heh heh
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[06:06] <obaway> i will return later
[06:06] <obaway> going to job now
[06:06] <obaway> sigh
[06:07] <Ogmios> see you
[06:07] <Ogmios> today is good to be finnish
[06:07] <Ogmios> no job!
[06:07] <obaway> guess so :)
[06:07] <obaway> ehhee
[06:07] <Ogmios> :)
[06:07] <obaway> okay laters
[06:07] <Ogmios> later
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[06:59] <Jurian> ahhh, -18, lovely warm =D
[06:59] <juditness> shush =/
[06:59] * juditness is freezing here
[06:59] <juditness> =/
[07:00] * Jurian isn't anymore
[07:00] <juditness> i'll need to put on some more clothes before leaving
[07:00] <juditness> =/
[07:00] <Jurian> heh, I'm overheating here
[07:00] <Jurian> me make big fire in fireplace :p
[07:00] <Jurian> fireplace now 250C
[07:00] <juditness> lol.
[07:01] <Jurian> slightly too warm :p
[07:01] <Ogmios> its even colder here
[07:02] <Ogmios> close to -30
[07:03] <Jurian> it was -30 here earlier
[07:03] <Jurian> that's why I'm saying -18, lovely warm :p
[07:04] <Ogmios> but this is normal. can understand those extremes
[07:04] <Ogmios> uh
[07:05] <Jurian> its supposed to be -12 here
[07:05] <Ogmios> isnt normal at all
[07:05] <Jurian> was -30 for a few days
[07:05] <Jurian> not even close to normal :/
[07:05] <Jurian> WAY too cold
[07:05] <Ogmios> last year was strangest ever
[07:06] <Ogmios> atleast what they know
[07:06] <Ogmios> fmi
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[07:16] <Jurian> good afternoon :)
[07:16] <QueenVee> hi Jurian
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[12:11] <reticuli> give me your chat
[12:11] <reticuli> hi neighbor
[12:11] <raincity> hey there.
[12:11] <cmell> what, not understood reticuli ???
[12:11] <cmell> hey rain
[12:12] <raincity> hi
[12:12] <reticuli> you asked if I was ready for a chat cmell, I am
[12:12] <cmell> ok
[12:12] <cmell> is there any news, on bad things happening in the middle east ?
[12:13] <reticuli> im sure there is
[12:13] <reticuli> hehe
[12:13] <cmell> it's not a laughing matter
[12:13] <reticuli> no, but your question was
[12:13] <reticuli> :)
[12:13] <cmell> ok
[12:13] <cmell> strange q
[12:13] <woogles> train wreck in california
[12:13] <cmell> :)
[12:14] <cmell> hmm
[12:14] <woogles> and i think palestine hit isreal again with something or other
[12:14] <reticuli> heres some good news http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2633115.stm
[12:16] <reticuli> at least england wont be bullied by those facists
[12:16] <cmell> I don't know about you, but I've grown to be tired with the problems in the middle east
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[12:16] <cmell> hello Dsarith
[12:16] <reticuli> cmell, why ask about it then?
[12:16] <reticuli> ignore it
[12:17] <woogles> uh those problems have been around since well.. a very long time, it is pretty arogant of the un to think they can solve centuries of conflict in a short period of time
[12:17] <Dsarith> Hi cmell
[12:17] <Dsarith> :-)
[12:17] <cmell> because I'm a citizen of this earth wether or not I like it
[12:17] <woogles> you can change that fact
[12:17] <cmell> how
[12:17] <woogles> You may not have chosen to be born, but you choose to live.
[12:18] <reticuli> woogles, that is the conventional wisdom... however the un actually created the problem by trying to create a state (israel) in territory where others were living (palestine)
[12:18] <cmell> ahh the famous gun
[12:18] <cmell> thats true reti
[12:19] <cmell> but then again the muslims have an agenda about taking over the entire world !
[12:19] <woogles> Well, in theory at least none of that will matter in a few months. So as long as we can avoid ww3 with korea until poleshift...
[12:19] <reticuli> 20% of palestinians are christians
[12:19] <woogles> I really hope your joking with that last one cmell :)
[12:19] <reticuli> me2
[12:19] <cmell> why woogles
[12:19] <cmell> ?
[12:20] <cmell> are you a moslem
[12:20] <cmell> ?
[12:20] <woogles> All religions have that agenda, so to focus on islam, which is in fact a rather peaceful religion, is a bit odd.
[12:20] <cmell> ok thats true woogles
[12:20] <cmell> sorry
[12:20] <reticuli> agreed, that attitude comes from watching too much tv
[12:20] <woogles> No, I don't believe on should limit one's self to the bounds of religion
[12:20] <cmell> haha
[12:20] <reticuli> ;)
[12:21] <cmell> I'm not a bad person !
[12:21] <reticuli> REPENT
[12:21] <woogles> heh
[12:21] <reticuli> ;)
[12:21] <cmell> :)
[12:21] <Dsarith> ;)
[12:21] <cmell> or thou shalt die
[12:22] <woogles> Its a good thing none of us are paranoid of smiley faces
[12:22] <Dsarith> lol
[12:22] <cmell> lol
[12:22] <reticuli> ::::::::::::::::))))))))))))))))))))))) muhhhhaaaaaa
[12:23] <reticuli> is anyone here afraid of death?
[12:23] <reticuli> or not for that matter
[12:23] <Dsarith> Nope
[12:23] <cmell> I'm growing to be less and less afraid as time passes
[12:24] <woogles> I'm not afraid of death, nor am I afraid of any of the possible things or lack there of which may occur after death.
[12:24] <Dsarith> Death doesnt scare me at all, long painful death bothers me though :)
[12:24] <cmell> and thats good, it sets me free
[12:25] <reticuli> in my exereince it is unlikely that one would not fear death unless one has had a near death or other transformative expereince
[12:25] <woogles> Pain is good, it lets you know your still alive.
[12:25] <cmell> heh
[12:25] <cmell> yes so you fear reticuli ?
[12:25] <reticuli> no
[12:26] <reticuli> im already 'dead'
[12:26] <woogles> Alot of people say they don't fear, but thats usually because they've never really thought about it, at least in my experience.
[12:26] <cmell> hah
[12:26] <Dsarith> Vampire??
[12:26] <Dsarith> Cool...
[12:26] <reticuli> lol, no
[12:26] <cmell> hahaha
[12:26] <cmell> thats what all vampires say :)
[12:26] <Dsarith> lol
[12:27] <reticuli> sssshhhhhh
[12:27] <reticuli> you'll blow my cover
[12:27] <Dsarith> I have noticed that Ret is only on line at night...hmmmm
[12:27] <cmell> just look at those fangs
[12:27] <woogles> The worest thing that can happen: You stop existing, in which case your not around to care about the fact you don't exist.
[12:27] <cmell> haha
[12:28] <reticuli> woogles, you are using reason... i agree with you. However, fear is an emotion, it is irrational
[12:28] <cmell> yes I hear you woogles, and I fear that "end of existence" !!
[12:28] <Dsarith> Yes woogle, but what do you worry about if life doesnt just cease after death
[12:29] <woogles> What doyou mean Dsarith?
[12:29] <woogles> like heaven/hell? reincarnation?
[12:29] <Dsarith> Yes
[12:29] <cmell> I like reincarnation :)
[12:30] <reticuli> fear arises from fundamental levels of the brain, and it doesnt care about what you think
[12:30] <Dsarith> Heaven or hell ore reincarnation.. If there is reincarnation then I want to return as one of my girlfriends cats :)
[12:30] <cmell> it's like a drug for me
[12:30] <reticuli> how many of you have faced death?
[12:30] <woogles> I'm not afraid of heaven or hell. and reincarnation is an idea i actually like
[12:30] <cmell> I have
[12:30] <reticuli> how so?
[12:31] <cmell> I tried to take my own life, and couldn't
[12:31] <woogles> uh..
[12:31] <cmell> heavy
[12:31] <cmell> yes
[12:31] <woogles> no offense but there's no such thing as attempted sucide.
[12:31] <cmell> ok why
[12:31] <Dsarith> Incorrect woogles...
[12:32] <cmell> let woogles speak
[12:32] <woogles> because humans are pretty frail, killing yourself is easy. if you failed at something so easy it implies that some part of you wanted to continue living. thus you were not really commiting sucide.
[12:32] <cmell> yes, that was my thought
[12:32] <reticuli> ok, well suicide is a different story... has anyone faced death from without?
[12:32] <Dsarith> I stand corrected
[12:32] <Dsarith> I would agree with what you said
[12:32] <cmell> no
[12:32] <Dsarith> nope
[12:33] <woogles> physically? no.
[12:33] <cmell> what does that mean woogles ?
[12:33] <Dsarith> Well, if you dont count the next morning after that party in college... I was pretty sure I was going to die
[12:33] <reticuli> well, its one thing to say you wouldnt be afraid... its another thing to know from expereince
[12:33] <reticuli> lol, dsarith
[12:34] <cmell> hehe
[12:34] <woogles> Well you can think about your death in your mind, and death in general. I mean, the first time I envisioned my own funeral, I was afraid. But I explored why I was afraid, and it was silly, so I stopped being afraid.
[12:34] <cmell> now I'm far away from trying anything like suicide again :)
[12:34] <reticuli> woogles, I am not speaking about death from a psychological/ ego perspective
[12:35] <reticuli> good cmell, suicide is a waste of time
[12:35] <cmell> yes
[12:35] <Dsarith> I agree with you reticuli. Like most things in our life, until we are faced with the hurdle, we dont know for sure. There is a huge difference between theory and reality
[12:36] <Dsarith> Its better stated, I believe I am not or will not be afraid of death
[12:36] <Dsarith> Someday I will find out :)
[12:36] <reticuli> so much of society lives in a privately owned cybernetic illusion
[12:36] <Dsarith> Or if I could just find a vampire to bite me... lol
[12:36] <reticuli> we can only hope for px
[12:37] <woogles> Some people actually lose their fear of death if told they are dieing of cancer or some such
[12:37] <cmell> I'm not sure I'll relocate, or if I'll stay and help ppl die !!??
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[12:37] <reticuli> dsarith... make sure you get your hep shots b4 you let a goth wanna be bithe you
[12:37] <Dsarith> Now I have watched people die and stayed by their side.
[12:37] <Dsarith> lol
[12:37] <cmell> and
[12:38] <cmell> if I stay I'll die
[12:38] <woogles> The fact is, I'm dieing right now. I have this terrible disease called aging.
[12:38] <Dsarith> Hey... me too
[12:38] <cmell> hah
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[12:38] <Dsarith> We were boring Numbic1
[12:38] <cmell> yes it's contageous
[12:38] <cmell> yes
[12:38] <reticuli> prolly afraid of dying
[12:38] <Dsarith> lol
[12:38] <woogles> I agree reticuli, let us hope for planet x. and if planet x doesn't come let's nuke jupiter
[12:38] <cmell> lol
[12:39] <reticuli> why?
[12:39] <cmell> haha
[12:39] <cmell> because it's there
[12:39] <Dsarith> Such a morbid subject.. or not, depends if you are embrassing it or not
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[12:39] <reticuli> we've alredy messed this place up, why take it to an innocent planet
[12:39] <Dsarith> Death is a deep subject for most :-)
[12:39] <cmell> wb tied
[12:39] <reticuli> heavy dude
[12:39] <Dsarith> Hi Tied
[12:39] <tied2> hello
[12:39] <woogles> giant gas ball..ignited with nuke... I'm not sure what gases jupiter is compossed of however
[12:40] <cmell> I guess a nuke wouldn't matter woogles
[12:40] <Dsarith> We are talking about death here, join and be merry
[12:40] <Dsarith> :)
[12:40] <reticuli> maybe some sociopath germ researcher will go nuts and help us out
[12:40] <cmell> perhaps
[12:40] <reticuli> one can hope
[12:40] <woogles> yay! lets fund them!
[12:40] <reticuli> 'we' already are
[12:41] <woogles> air borne ebola would be nice
[12:41] <Dsarith> Hello, we already are
[12:41] <woogles> hmm, true.
[12:41] <cmell> yeah, I like the cmell of ebola in the morning
[12:41] <Dsarith> lol
[12:41] <Dsarith> Only one morning can you smell it though
[12:42] <cmell> yes but what a morning :)
[12:42] <woogles> eh? ebola is a pretty slow death.. up to 3 weeks sometimes, very gruesome
[12:42] <reticuli> most likely you can simulate the smell by going to a slaughterhouse, have at it cmell
[12:42] <cmell> ok MORNINGS
[12:42] <cmell> hehe
[12:43] <woogles> Your ibasically liquify, and poor out through every orifice in your body, including some newly created ones
[12:43] <cmell> yes it's a horrible death I'm sure
[12:43] <reticuli> even I would fear that
[12:43] <reticuli> ;)
[12:45] <cmell> then the chat died ??
[12:45] <woogles> moo
[12:45] <cmell> ping
[12:46] <woogles> ..Apparently yes.
[12:46] <cmell> hhhmm
[12:47] <cmell> I hate israel ! (maybe that can kickstart the chat)
[12:47] <reticuli> what I fear more than dying is dying with regrets
[12:47] <cmell> yes reti
[12:47] <cmell> I do too
[12:47] <woogles> What sort of regrets?
[12:48] <reticuli> hmmm, like feeling that I had not lived the life I was here to live, that I had died harming people etc
[12:48] <cmell> maybe regrets about not reaching out for this girl/lady
[12:48] <reticuli> not those kinds
[12:48] <reticuli> hehe
[12:48] <woogles> Think of it this way, you could be out walking and a shingle blows off a roof, then hits you in just the right part of the skull. poof your dead. So probably best to tie up those lose ends now.
[12:48] <reticuli> where r u cmell?
[12:49] <cmell> right here reticuli
[12:49] <reticuli> i cant see you
[12:49] <reticuli> you must be somewhere else
[12:49] <cmell> ok right here in denmark
[12:49] <cmell> you ?
[12:49] <reticuli> thats right
[12:50] <reticuli> not in denmark
[12:50] <reticuli> hehe
[12:50] <reticuli> seattle
[12:50] <cmell> ah that narrows it down
[12:50] <cmell> hehe
[12:51] <cmell> have any of you posted a profile on QueenVee's website ?
[12:51] <reticuli> no i havent
[12:51] <woogles> Profile?
[12:51] <cmell> about contact with ppl of like mind
[12:52] <reticuli> cmell, in the event of px, I will avoid ppl
[12:52] <reticuli> i have an aversion to being eaten
[12:52] <cmell> not if the ppl is you friends
[12:52] <reticuli> freinds? lol
[12:52] <woogles> I would avoid people initially, and then probably help anyone I could.
[12:52] <cmell> you=youe
[12:52] <cmell> your
[12:52] <reticuli> freinds are cheap
[12:52] <reticuli> hunger isnt
[12:53] <cmell> no they are hard to get
[12:53] <reticuli> ppl will be a liability
[12:53] <reticuli> stick with family
[12:53] <woogles> heh they wont need to eat you reticuli, there will be lots of dead things around which won't rot for afew days at least. Then you just need to outlast the cannibals.
[12:53] <cmell> yes mostly
[12:53] <reticuli> more reliable
[12:54] <cmell> haha
[12:54] <cmell> woogles .... nice
[12:54] <reticuli> outlast the cannibals = avoid ppl
[12:54] <reticuli> shoot first, dine later
[12:54] <reticuli> ;)
[12:55] <cmell> else  : http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=40
[12:55] <woogles> I have no guns, and don't intend to buy any. So yeah, I'll probably get shot, at least if they just shoot randomly
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[12:55] <reticuli> where are you woogles?
[12:55] <woogles> Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
[12:55] <cmell> yeah I'll shoot you on sight :)
[12:55] <reticuli> ah, no wonder you'll be unarmed
[12:55] <cmell> heh
[12:56] <woogles> unarmed? far from it
[12:56] <reticuli> tasty canadian
[12:56] <reticuli> lol
[12:56] <cmell> haha
[12:56] <johnny> hi all
[12:56] <cmell> hi johnny
[12:56] <reticuli> its an arms race south of the border buddy
[12:56] <woogles> I have a bow, some arrows, a sword, a dozen throwing spikes, and some very good knives.
[12:57] <reticuli> yeah, that should stop the avertage hungry canadian
[12:57] <cmell> I have a crossbow
[12:57] <cmell> and a metal arrow
[12:57] <cmell> or two
[12:57] <reticuli> and a heart of gold
[12:57] <cmell> hehe
[12:58] <woogles> think of it this way, you only have to kill on person who owns a gun to get their gun.
[12:58] <woogles> ^one
[12:58] <reticuli> yeah, once again ... sounds easy in theory or on a video game
[12:58] <cmell> not if theres more they'll take the gun with them
[12:58] <cmell> and the ammo
[12:58] <woogles> most people can't aim, and if their smart will be tryibng to conserve ammo ratherthan splatter the area with bullets
[12:59] <reticuli> and if you get hurt trying to kill them you can find some new life points
[12:59] <reticuli> nah, I prefer to just buy the gun prior to the shift so I dont have to murder later
[12:59] <reticuli> just my perspective though
[12:59] <cmell> I just don't like guns
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[13:00] <reticuli> me either, but I can use them if needed
[13:00] <woogles> I don't intend to be fighting anyone personally, if that means someone shoots me (and chances are the police and military will kill the civilians to feed their own families), then so be it
[13:00] <cmell> but I will make a bow, for hunting purposes
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[13:00] <reticuli> cmell, archery is exceedingly difficult, better start practiciing now
[13:01] <cmell> I have .. in my childhood
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[13:01] <cmell> hi QV
[13:02] <woogles> hey quuen
[13:02] <reticuli> god save the...
[13:02] <woogles> queen..dang typos
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[13:02] <QueenVee> the queen is long past saving
[13:02] <reticuli> lol
[13:02] <cmell> lol
[13:02] <woogles> My poor hands are too big for the keyboard.
[13:02] <Mad_Hatter> Good afternoon..
[13:03] <QueenVee> i just spent the last couple of of hours totally rearranging the internet cables in our place.... hence my absence.....
[13:03] <reticuli> I'll prolly cross the border with a modest armory and take up residence in alberta in the event of px... I'll have a good advantage in canada with guns and ammo
[13:04] <reticuli> mmmmm tasty canadians
[13:04] <reticuli> hehe
[13:04] <woogles> uh alot of the people in alberta actually have guns
[13:04] <reticuli> yeah, but not the kind I'll have
[13:04] <cmell> so is it sorted out now ?
[13:05] <QueenVee> my internet cables you mean?
[13:05] <woogles> plus some of us are very inventive.. I made a nuke from a turtle shell, a pineapple, and some yarn the other day..really..
[13:05] <Mad_Hatter> 2 quakes in last hour... Alaska 5.1,  Figi 6.5 ... most be them damn beans...
[13:05] <QueenVee> a nuke, huh?
[13:05] <reticuli> lol
[13:05] <reticuli> the canadian tourtle nuke
[13:05] <reticuli> turtle
[13:06] <reticuli> I'll be sure to bring my NBC suit
[13:06] <reticuli> and a photo of john candy
[13:06] <QueenVee> question: would you characterize a labrador retriever as a small, medium, or large-sized dog?
[13:06] <cmell> yes
[13:06] <woogles> uh male or female?
[13:06] <Mad_Hatter> Large!
[13:06] <QueenVee> male
[13:07] <woogles> large for sure
[13:07] <woogles> females are usually large too, but some can be in the medium range
[13:07] <cmell> haha
[13:07] <reticuli> "my gawd, its a 5mili gram tortoise war head"
[13:07] <cmell> medium
[13:07] <QueenVee> i put up an ad on a local site the other day saying i was looking for a small to medium-sized dog, and all i keep getting is people with labrador retrievers....
[13:07] <woogles> definately not small
[13:07] <cmell> a Grand Dane is large
[13:08] <reticuli> no, thats medium to large
[13:08] <woogles> grand dane is horse size
[13:08] <cmell> haha
[13:08] <QueenVee> i even suggested the kind of breed i had in mind, spaniels, beagles....
[13:08] <reticuli> lol
[13:08] <reticuli> wishful thinking, ppl wanting to get rid of em i guess
[13:08] <woogles> labs are nice dogs, loyal and friendly
[13:08] <cmell> retrievers are nice, I like them
[13:08] <QueenVee> it's breaking my heart because i would LOVE to have  lab, but just don't have the room
[13:08] <cmell> heck I love them
[13:08] <Mad_Hatter> Labradors are not known for thier intellegence... but same with humans.
[13:09] <QueenVee> actually, there aren't many breeds i DON'T like....
[13:09] <cmell> haha mad hat
[13:09] <woogles> I can't stand poodles or those other cat-dogs
[13:09] <QueenVee> i don't go in for those little pseudo "toy" dogs....
[13:09] <reticuli> go with a jack russel terreier... train it to go for the jugular queen... that'd be handy after the shift
[13:09] <cmell> I hate poodles
[13:09] <reticuli> they move at light speed
[13:09] <QueenVee> i like a working dog, one who was actually bred to do a job
[13:09] <QueenVee> yeah, i said i'd also consider a jack russell....
[13:09] <cmell> yes me to QV
[13:10] <reticuli> better get valium. one of you will need it
[13:10] <cmell> hehe
[13:10] <QueenVee> i'm looking for a small to medium dog who thinks he's a great dane
[13:10] <woogles> if you train itto go for the jugular, I highly advise making sure it doesn't go hungry...
[13:10] <cmell> ahh
[13:10] <reticuli> queen, did you have to put your dog down?
[13:10] <QueenVee> my dog Ben was a medium-sized dog, but he thought he was a rotweiller
[13:11] <QueenVee> ret: yes, on Friday; he had a stroke
[13:11] <Mad_Hatter> You need a Shitzu. \
[13:11] <cmell> t:)
[13:14] <QueenVee> eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwww
[13:17] <reticuli> my condolences
[13:20] <QueenVee> i'm better now, was a mess for a couple of days; realized the best thing would be to start looking for a new dog as soon as possible
[13:23] <cmell> or a cross between a shitzu and a bulldog
[13:26] <woogles> Is that even possible?
[13:29] <cmell> a bullshit hahahaha
[13:29] <reticuli> quuen, have you heard pf chibas?
[13:29] <reticuli> or shebas
[13:29] <reticuli> not sure
[13:29] <cmell> I guess it's old :(
[13:29] <QueenVee> Ben was 16 years old
[13:29] <QueenVee> had him since he was one year old
[13:29] <cmell> thats hard, I mean to part with him !
[13:29] <Mad_Hatter> 16 dog yrs = 112 human
[13:29] <QueenVee> i thought i was prepared, since he's been failing for about a year now... but i wasn't....
[13:29] <woogles> 16 != 112 ...
[13:29] <reticuli> http://www.jkc.or.jp/japanese_dog/j_dog4_e.html
[13:29] <reticuli> great dogs
[13:29] <cmell> I had a dog some time ago Tanya
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[13:29] <obany> pyng
[13:29] <obany> peng
[13:30] <cmell> is this channel alive ?
[13:30] <woogles> barely
[13:30] <cmell> yes barely woogles
[13:31] <obany> guess it will be in a few hours, ... usualy i go to bed after 1:00am ...
[13:31] <cmell> ok obany
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[13:31] <obany>  that's when those US folks start to chat :
[13:31] <obany> P
[13:31] <reticuli> cmell, I am dead
[13:31] * Buente2 is now known as Buente
[13:31] <cmell> then we have a ghost in the channel
[13:32] <cmell> .)
[13:32] <Dsarith> Sorry all, had to go away
[13:32] <Dsarith> cmell, you are dead now
[13:32] <cmell> np
[13:32] <Dsarith> what did I mis
[13:32] <cmell> I am ?
[13:33] <Dsarith> Yes you told Obany that you were dead
[13:33] <cmell> no reticuli told me he was dead
[13:33] <cmell> [22:31:13] <reticuli> cmell, I am dead
[13:34] <Dsarith> Oh sorry
[13:34] <Dsarith> lol
[13:34] <cmell> np
[13:35] <cmell> so reticuli is dead or is he ???
[13:36] * woogles stabs reticuli
[13:36] <woogles> Problem solved.
[13:36] <cmell> hahaha
[13:36] <cmell> lol
[13:36] <cmell> lmao
[13:36] <Dsarith> He is the living dead. Rumor has it that he is a vampire. AT least that is just was I posted
[13:36] <Dsarith> Woogle has to use a wooden stake
[13:36] <cmell> I have a silver bullit for sale
[13:37] <reticuli> hehe
[13:38] <cmell> I like those fangs
[13:38] <Mad_Hatter> gotta go...bbl.... Peace.
[13:38] <cmell> peace
[13:38] <Dsarith> Bye Mad
[13:38] <Dsarith> Peace Mad
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[13:42] * Set by inkpen on Sat Jan 04 23:22:10
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[13:43] <woogles> People don't normally think of the fact that, without rain we would all be quite dead.
[13:43] <Jurian> hehe, no shit :p
[13:43] <reticuli> the rain keeps the air clean of pollutants
[13:43] <Dsarith> Its the only job in the world that you can be wrong 90% of the time and still keep your job
[13:44] <cmell> I like rain
[13:44] <Dsarith> I want to be a weatherman!!!
[13:44] <cmell> hehe
[13:44] <Dsarith> I like rain too
[13:44] <Jurian> lol
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[13:44] <Dsarith> Unless its acid rain and I am in it
[13:44] <woogles> mathematically speaking we _could_ predict the weather with 100% accuracy for tomorrow, the problem is the calculations would take about 10 years with the worlds fastest computers
[13:44] <cmell> Oh no I'm melting
[13:44] <Dsarith> Exactly!
[13:45] <cmell> yeah
[13:45] <Dsarith> That wasn't water Dorthy threw on the wicked witch
[13:45] <woogles> Dorothy must be one twisted little bitch then, carrying all those chemicals around at her age.
[13:46] <cmell> heh
[13:46] <Dsarith> I thought that too... what a little bitch!!
[13:46] <cmell> turn your back  at us
[13:46] * cmell pulls the gun from the holster
[13:47] <Dsarith> Run for cover
[13:47] <cmell> I'll shoot you anytime
[13:47] <cmell> and in the back too
[13:47] <woogles> <jedi mind trick> You will shoot yourself </Jedi mind trick>
[13:47] <Jurian> lol
[13:47] * cmell shoots himself
[13:48] <Dsarith> lol
[13:48] * Jurian force pushes woogles into a pile of dog poop
[13:48] <cmell> lol
[13:49] <Dsarith> Hey whats that cmell... err smell??
[13:49] <cmell> cmell rises from the dust
[13:49] <obany> " your money means nothing to me"  :P
[13:49] <cmell> hehe
[13:50] <cmell> phoenix
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[13:56] <Dsarith> Hi Rnthomas
[13:56] <cmell> hey RNT
[13:57] <Dsarith> cmell is a phoenix and Ret is a vampire we think. Now you are caught up :)
[13:57] * cmell smiles at Dsarith
[13:59] * Jesus has joined #poleshiftdiscussion
[13:59] <reticuli> hail christ
[13:59] <Jesus> hey man
[13:59] <RNTHOMAS> Howdt
[13:59] <Jesus> what's up dudes
[13:59] <RNTHOMAS> Boy that came out well...
[13:59] <reticuli> wtjc
[13:59] * cmell cmell sharpens his fangs, he has gotten a taste for humans
[13:59] <reticuli> wtjc = working till jesus comes
[14:00] <Jesus> ha ha
[14:00] <woogles> your gona be working till your dead :)
[14:00] <reticuli> lets hoe he's wearing a condom
[14:00] <cmell> but I am
[14:00] <reticuli> hoe=hope
[14:00] <cmell> haha
[14:00] <cmell> muuhhahaaaaha
[14:01] * woogles is now known as Woo[A]
[14:02] * cmell bites Woo[A]
[14:02] <Dsarith> Woo has ran away
[14:02] * cmell bites Dsarith
[14:03] * Dsarith falls to the ground in horror
[14:04] <cmell> cmell wanders away in a stupor unknowingly about his crime
[14:05] * Dsarith reaches for his neck and realizes that its only a scratch. Apparently the pheonix fangs were too dull to break through
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[14:06] <Dsarith> Hey Elwood
[14:06] <cmell> cmell is too far away to realize that
[14:06] <cmell> hey elwood
[14:06] <elwood> Hey Dsarith
[14:06] <elwood> hey all
[14:07] <RNTHOMAS> Yikes, this keeps up, I'll start thinkin I'm in the #troubledtimes channel... lol!
[14:07] <cmell> lol
[14:07] <Dsarith> lol
[14:07] <cmell> sorry
[14:07] <Dsarith> I think RNT should give the subject
[14:07] <Dsarith> Death has been covered
[14:08] <cmell> yes
[14:08] <cmell> rnt whats the next subject
[14:08] <cmell> ?
[14:09] <RNTHOMAS> Hmmm... How about how to construct Dome houses...
[14:09] <RNTHOMAS> That's what I'd like to learn about...
[14:09] <cmell> ok
[14:09] <Dsarith> Cool
[14:09] <cmell> yes me too
[14:09] <RNTHOMAS> At this point I'm real weak in this....
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[14:09] <cmell> I know nothing about that
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[14:09] <Dsarith> Is a dome house better than a trenched out home
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[14:10] <RNTHOMAS> I've heard that they can be constructed with sandbags and wire...
[14:10] <cmell> hey elwood
[14:10] <cmell> yes
[14:10] <cmell> brb
[14:10] <RNTHOMAS> But I'm wondering how to constuct em after the shift...
[14:12] <Dsarith> Dont know much about domes. My thoughts are on trenching out a place and covering it. Getting out of the wind entirely
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[14:12] <cmell> yes dsarith
[14:12] <RNTHOMAS> That works for during the shift...
[14:13] <Dsarith> Oh gotcha
[14:13] <cmell> but after  
[14:13] <Dsarith> Hmmmph there will be lots of material around after the shift
[14:14] <cmell> yes
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[14:14] <Dsarith> You can build it very easily using triangles
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[14:15] <Dsarith> I watched one built once
[14:15] <Dsarith> INteresting construction
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[14:15] <tempen> hello
[14:15] <cmell> hello
[14:15] <Dsarith> The infrastructure has to be hardy enough to withstand the weight
[14:15] <Dsarith> Hi Tempen
[14:15] <cmell> just a sec
[14:16] <tempen> how goes it?
[14:16] <Dsarith> It goes :)
[14:16] <RNTHOMAS> The problem is the earthquake... The dome 'may' survive it...
[14:16] <RNTHOMAS> But it would be much better to build it after the shift...
[14:17] <RNTHOMAS> But Mark Hazlwood talks of alot of scientists building Dome houses...
[14:17] <tempen> uhhh...whats jesus doing inour humble channel?
[14:17] <Dsarith> Hmmm... I still think that until the earth settles down an isolated trench design house is better
[14:17] <Dsarith> More stable
[14:17] * Woo[A] is now known as woogles
[14:17] <RNTHOMAS> Jesus always hangs with the Rife Raff of the world...
[14:17] <tempen> heheh
[14:18] <RNTHOMAS> Dsarith That's what I'm thinkin as well...
[14:18] <cmell> I'm riff !
[14:18] <RNTHOMAS> And I'm Raff!
[14:18] <Dsarith> I'm Raff
[14:18] <cmell> heh
[14:19] <RNTHOMAS> NO!  I'm Raff, you're Ruff!
[14:19] <cmell> hahaha
[14:19] <Dsarith> Ok I will be ruff
[14:19] <cmell> then it's settled
[14:19] <reticuli> what would jesus do? = go a synagogue
[14:19] <reticuli> go to a syn.
[14:20] <cmell> I'm riff you'r raff RNT
[14:20] * Dsarith ruff
[14:20] <cmell> and Dsarith is ruff
[14:20] <RNTHOMAS> Good Doggie!
[14:20] <Dsarith> :)
[14:20] <cmell> ruff ruff
[14:20] * Dsarith pant pant
[14:21] * cmell throws a bone
[14:21] <RNTHOMAS> Dsarith:- Be good or else Queen-Vee will slap a doggie collar on ya and take ya for a walk!
[14:21] <tex-at-work> I thinks it's more like ren and stimpy
[14:21] <Dsarith> Cats got Jesus' tongue
[14:21] <Dsarith> lol
[14:21] <Dsarith> Hey Tex
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[14:22] <cmell> heh
[14:22] <cmell> ah el nino
[14:22] <Dsarith> Hi Nino
[14:22] <tex-at-work> hey Dsarith
[14:22] <tempen> hi nino
[14:23] <Dsarith> Nino is quiet
[14:23] <nino> yes...hehe
[14:23] <cmell> it's not El Nino
[14:23] <cmell> or is it
[14:23] <reticuli> yes
[14:24] <nino> good day
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[14:24] <Dsarith> It is El Nino else it would be La Nina
[14:24] <Dsarith> See you made him run away
[14:24] <cmell> sorry
[14:24] <cmell> :(
[14:24] <Dsarith> Not your fault
[14:25] * Queen-away is now known as QueenVee
[14:25] <Dsarith> Ok back to the dome
[14:25] <Dsarith> Hey QV
[14:25] <QueenVee> hey
[14:25] <tempen> WB QV
[14:25] <QueenVee> what a day
[14:26] <QueenVee> i've been busy busy busy
[14:26] <cmell> huh
[14:26] <Dsarith> What have you been busy on?
[14:26] * Jesus was kicked by QueenVee (Jesus)
[14:26] <Dsarith> lol
[14:26] <Dsarith> Man! That didnt take long
[14:26] <cmell> hh
[14:26] <QueenVee> cleaning, rearranging my office
[14:26] <Dsarith> Thats no fun
[14:27] <cmell> cleaning this office too
[14:27] <cmell> :)
[14:27] <QueenVee> no, but i feel better now
[14:27] <Dsarith> Good
[14:27] <woogles> Doesn't something like cleaning your office seem kind of.. fruitless..
[14:27] <QueenVee> new set-up for a new-year
[14:27] <Dsarith> Half a year
[14:27] <QueenVee> no, i work better in a clean environment
[14:27] <QueenVee> let me rephrase that....
[14:27] <QueenVee> in an organized environment
[14:28] <tempen> heheh
[14:28] <cmell> just a sec brb
[14:28] * cmell is now known as cmellater
[14:29] <Dsarith> Cute
[14:29] <QueenVee> should be "cmellyalater"
[14:29] <Dsarith> :-)
[14:29] <cmellater> k
[14:30] * cmellater is now known as cmellyalater
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[14:31] <tempen> ah man
[14:32] * tex-at-work is going home
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[14:32] <tempen> later tex
[14:32] <cmellyalater> later
[14:32] <Dsarith> Later tex
[14:32] * cmellyalater is now known as cmell
[14:32] <cmell> some climax
[14:32] <QueenVee> ?
[14:33] <cmell> the movie ended
[14:33] <tempen> which one cmell?
[14:33] <cmell> "for a few dollars more"
[14:34] <tempen> for a few dollars more, you to can have fries with that :)
[14:34] <cmell> Lee Van Clef, and Clint Eastwood
[14:34] <cmell> nice
[14:34] <cmell> haha
[14:35] <tempen> mmm hot dogs....mmmm
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[14:35] <QueenVee> for a few dollars more, you can have a clean one....
[14:36] <cmell> hehe
[14:36] <cmell> a clean alien ???
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[14:36] <QueenVee> for a few dollars more, we'll put a roof on it
[14:36] <cmell> hello tied
[14:37] <cmell> yes
[14:37] <tied> hello
[14:37] <cmell> who are you ??
[14:37] <tied> who me?
[14:39] <tied> hello?
[14:39] <reticuli> hi?
[14:39] <Dsarith> Hi
[14:39] <cmell> later
[14:39] <QueenVee> i think he's wondering where the "2" in your name went....
[14:40] <Dsarith> cmell sniffed something strange in your name :)
[14:40] <cmell> :)
[14:40] <tied> I crashed my linux box so I been reduced to windows IE: tied
[14:40] <Dsarith> I am sorry
[14:40] <Dsarith> Really sorry
[14:41] <tied> lol
[14:41] <cmell> yeah you should be
[14:41] <Dsarith> Hey!
[14:42] <Dsarith> :)
[14:43] <tied> what new?
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[14:49] <RNTHOMAS> Ok, that's enuff typing in EarthChanges...  Fingers gettin tired...
[14:49] <QueenVee> lol
[14:51] <RNTHOMAS> So hows QV doin.
[14:51] <QueenVee> i'm okay... everything considered....
[14:52] <QueenVee> we had a big dumping of snow here today
[14:52] <QueenVee> cat refuses to go out on her patio...
[14:52] <RNTHOMAS> Wow!  We had a BIG moster lightning storm in Vancouver a few weeks ago...
[14:53] <QueenVee> so i hear
[14:53] <RNTHOMAS> I was in abbotsford... It was an 'unusual' storm...
[14:53] <QueenVee> here's an interesting article. looks like the media is finally starting to notice that something is awry: http://observer.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,868847,00.html
[14:53] <QueenVee> unusual in what way?
[14:54] <RNTHOMAS> That lightning storm is what you get in St Catherines...
[14:54] <RNTHOMAS> Normally we get sheet lighting..
[14:54] <RNTHOMAS> And it's only a few flashes...
[14:54] <QueenVee> mmm, wonder why?
[14:54] <RNTHOMAS> This was fork lightning, and lots and lots of strikes...
[14:54] <RNTHOMAS> I could smell the ozone!
[14:56] <RNTHOMAS> Dunno, but it was unusually electrified!
[14:56] <QueenVee> i don't understand the mechanics of that, do you?
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[14:57] <Dsarith> Of lightning?
[14:57] <RNTHOMAS> Well, I can't say I'm a wiz, but I know an Onterio ligtning storm when I see one...
[14:57] <RNTHOMAS> That was one of em...
[14:57] <QueenVee> mmmm
[14:58] <QueenVee> Dsarith: yes, the mechanics of lightning
[14:58] <QueenVee> what causes forked lightening vs sheet lightening...
[14:58] <RNTHOMAS> The dis-information team call this global warming...
[14:58] <tied> was ben Franklin a american?
[14:58] <woogles> Well there actually is global warming going on...
[14:59] <RNTHOMAS> There is, but it's not being causes by Cars and Fossil fuel burning...
[14:59] <Dsarith> Fork lighting is created via tracers sent up from the earth into the ionized clouds for a path for light to fork down and strike the earth
[14:59] <woogles> I think those things are "helping" it along
[14:59] <Dsarith> What causes sheet to occur verses Fork not sure
[15:00] <RNTHOMAS> 1 volanoe eruption does 100 years of CO2 emissions... from cars...
[15:00] <Dsarith> Atmosphere would be my guess. Sheet lighting is higher up, therefore may not respond to earth tracers
[15:00] <RNTHOMAS> Italy and Mt St Helens did us pretty good...
[15:01] <RNTHOMAS> Tracers come from the earth, theorized can be caused by Plates being under stress...
[15:01] <RNTHOMAS> Henc Ball Lightning and the like...
[15:01] <Dsarith> All I really know is dont hang outside long cuz you send out ion tracers from your body which may attract lighting to you.
[15:01] <RNTHOMAS> Being seen more near fault lines...
[15:01] <Dsarith> Ball lightning is cool
[15:02] <RNTHOMAS> But it's been a while since I heard this, so I could be wrong on this...
[15:02] <Dsarith> I get all my information from a meterological class I took in college and  the Discovery Channel :-)
[15:03] <RNTHOMAS> But I recall something about Ball Lighting and Fault lines... If that's true, it follows that Fork Lighting could be helped along by plate stress...
[15:03] <RNTHOMAS> But strange weather is Solar System wide...
[15:04] <Dsarith> Yes, yes it is
[15:04] <RNTHOMAS> SUn is still at the height of it's sun spot cycle, shoulda ended back in 2000... It's 2003 and still goin strong...
[15:04] <RNTHOMAS> SUN is doin wierd stuff...  Hmmm...
[15:04] <reticuli> the sun's behavior is troubling
[15:05] <RNTHOMAS> Mars is getting hotter...   Polar Ice Caps melting...
[15:05] <RNTHOMAS> Hmmm.....
[15:05] <tied>   massvie warming on Mars
[15:05] <RNTHOMAS> The Moon develops an Atmosphere...   Hmmm....
[15:05] <reticuli> secret govt terraforming mission
[15:05] <RNTHOMAS> A very thin one...
[15:05] <RNTHOMAS> Hmmm....
[15:06] * Jurian is now known as JurAFK
[15:06] <JurAFK> goodnight people! :)
[15:06] <raincity> night
[15:06] <RNTHOMAS> Earth is gettin warm, polar icecaps melting...   Hmmmm...
[15:06] <tied> all the sudden all this space news and space junk floating around
[15:06] <JurAFK> RNTHOMAS: warm??? it's 20 degrees C too cold here!
[15:06] <RNTHOMAS> Don't worry Keyoto accords will fix it!
[15:06] <woogles> fortunately only the antartic ice actually results in a water level increase
[15:07] <RNTHOMAS> Where is here?
[15:07] <reticuli> kyoto accords are not a band aid, but it is sensible to take action in areas that we can
[15:08] <RNTHOMAS> kyoto is like saying the ocean is level is rising, lets take a teaspoon of ocean out, that'll fix the problem.
[15:08] <reticuli> thats an exxageration
[15:08] <RNTHOMAS> JurAFK where is here...
[15:08] <obany> the weather is out of control ... zetatalk states that the core is heating up,  and mentioned also snow in the summer wich occured last year in some areas for what i remember ..
[15:08] <obany> the system is out of his loop
[15:08] <obany> not normal anymore
[15:09] <Dsarith> I will tell you something people. The weather in Texas is way off.
[15:09] <woogles> it is everywhere
[15:09] <reticuli> yep
[15:09] <RNTHOMAS> I've been to quite a few glaciers, and they are receeding quite well...  
[15:09] <Dsarith> Warm and getting tornado warnings... Never has that happened
[15:09] <reticuli> global warming has been really nice to seattle, its been a lot sunnier
[15:09] <Dsarith> In winter
[15:09] * juditness is away.. oh no, it seems the best is yet to come. =x [mail: judit@geekychick.org] at 00:11:03
[15:09] <RNTHOMAS> I've only seen this with my own eyes...
[15:09] <QueenVee> yes, i understand it's unusual to have tornados in winter
[15:09] <raincity> reticuli: summer lasted into September.
[15:10] <tied> ok the weather in OHIO has  been delightfull
[15:10] <reticuli> we actually have HAD tornadoes around here
[15:10] <reticuli> which is weird
[15:10] <RNTHOMAS> Tornadoes and water spoats off Vancouver Island are WIERD period...
[15:10] <reticuli> rain... u remember when it used to be loudy for months on end here.. no we rarely go a week without seeing the sun
[15:11] <reticuli> loudy = cloudy
[15:11] <RNTHOMAS> All I know it's WARMER in the north, and warmer here as well...
[15:11] <RNTHOMAS> Yup, I know all about that...
[15:11] <reticuli> where are you RN?
[15:11] <reticuli> vancouver?
[15:11] <raincity> I actually like the changes here...if I didn't know that the whole earth weather balance was off.
[15:11] <reticuli> yes, as I said the weather is really nice here
[15:11] <RNTHOMAS> I started walking to work...  Vancouver Island - The CAPITAL OF THE WET COAST!
[15:12] <RNTHOMAS> Also, many communities lost the water table...
[15:12] <reticuli> has the weather gotten nicer up there
[15:12] <reticuli> ?
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[15:12] <RNTHOMAS> Port Alberni was down to maybe 7 days of water befor the taps were gonna run dry...
[15:12] <RNTHOMAS> I've talked to the City Workers that run the water system...
[15:12] <woogles> in nova scotia we've had nicer,longer summers, and shorter winters with fewer, though more powerful storms
[15:14] <QueenVee> same here in ontario; milder, shorter winters; hotter, longer summers....
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[15:15] <RNTHOMAS> Yeah, most of my Family in St Catherines who have lived there for 50-60 years say the storms are much worse now as compared 20-30 years ago...
[15:15] <reticuli> according to zetatalk isnt this area (cascadia) going to be near the equator after the shift
[15:16] <woogles> They should put longitude and latitude lines on at least one of the zetamaps.
[15:16] <RNTHOMAS> QV: I saw a news article that the Trees lost their leaves, not from autumn, but froum drought!
[15:16] <RNTHOMAS> TThis is in ONT.
[15:16] <QueenVee> oy
[15:16] <reticuli> i think it was in the winter of 1999 i remebered seeing all the trees blooming in january
[15:17] <reticuli> the leaves were growing
[15:17] <reticuli> I think the chemtrails have worked
[15:17] <raincity> This was the first year in many that we didn't have to use the pellet stove...until around christmas.
[15:17] <RNTHOMAS> We didn't use much heat this year as well...
[15:18] <QueenVee> ret: yep, last two winters in a row we've seen trees budding in January and February
[15:18] <reticuli> this year