Session Start: Sun Jan 12 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
[00:00] <Muggada> we have elecrical storms here every after noon for the last ten days
[00:00] <Muggada> just west of sydney
[00:01] <merodach> where is that muggada?
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[00:02] <merodach> isn't nibiru supposed to charge the atmosphere as it approaches closer?
[00:03] <Muggada> something is i get charges too when opening car doors
[00:03] <johnnie5> nibiru will see more lightning in their atmosphere than we will.
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[00:04] <scooby> oops... forgot to say g'nite mates!
[00:05] <scooby> l8r y'all!
[00:05] <scooby> i'll be home soon....
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[00:05] <Muggada> need more smokes brb
[00:06] <merodach> i read something awhile back about an indian legend...maybe navajo, similar to nibiru....saying that when the pole shift approaches, nothing metal can be in their shelters.....the tribe who believe this keep mud huts around for the day
[00:07] <merodach> not even nails are used....maybe the electricity
[00:09] <merodach> anything metal....man-made....destroyed...interesting to ponder
[00:12] <merodach> maybe metal objects act like lightning rods in a highly charged atmosphere.....almost guaranteeing a powerful lightning strike if anything metal is near you
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[00:19] <merodach> so much for the metal roofed shelters
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[00:22] <merodach> anybody alive in here?
[00:22] <Muggada> back
[00:22] <merodach> that will be a common question in the near future
[00:23] <Muggada> what will
[00:23] <merodach> anybody alive?
[00:23] <merodach> hellooooo
[00:23] <Muggada> no
[00:25] <merodach> what are you going to do, muggada?
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[00:25] <Muggada> hide away from the maddening crowd
[00:26] <merodach> are you in a rural area?
[00:26] <Muggada> semi rural,, moving to wildeness area one month before
[00:27] <merodach> what will trigger your 1 month-before mode?
[00:27] <Muggada> already triggered
[00:28] <merodach> what are you looking for for a sign that it is about to happen?
[00:28] <Muggada> naked eye veiwing
[00:29] <merodach> that will be the most awe-inspiring and deep fear provoking thing i will ever see
[00:30] <merodach> i think the wilderness plan is a good one....people are going to freak soooo badly
[00:30] <Muggada> should prompt some action from many
[00:31] <merodach> many is probably small....i'm sure the government will slobber out some lie....many will have no clue what is coming....they'll just be pointing and smiling
[00:31] <Muggada> true,,
[00:32] <Muggada> some wil say look zetas were right
[00:32] <Muggada> and get ready to kiss their ass good bye
[00:33] <merodach> i expect to kiss my ass goodbye, but i'll give it a shot at hiding in a hole
[00:34] <Muggada> our plan is to drive our campervans into a hole and cover it up
[00:35] <merodach> that might work....if the metal thing isn't true
[00:36] <Muggada> insulate with soil
[00:39] <merodach> is nibiru discussed very much in australia?
[00:40] <merodach> or is it a fringe topic like here in the u.s.?
[00:42] <Muggada> fringe topic, some belivers around
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[00:44] <merodach> i honestly can't picture the future.....it seems grim....desolate....i get no mental pictures
[00:45] <Muggada> back to the stone age living
[00:45] <merodach> i think so
[00:45] <walt> http://hometown.aol.com/archaicart/ArchaicArt.html
[00:46] <walt> http://www.primitive.org/
[00:46] <walt> http://ic.net/~tbailey/
[00:46] <walt> http://www.crl.com/~mjr/pweapons.html
[00:47] <walt> Primitive weapon and technology sites
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[00:48] <Muggada> very good
[00:48] <walt> http://www.hollowtop.com/sandals.htm
[00:49] <walt> http://www.hollowtop.com/
[00:55] <merodach> ahhhh....now i get a picture....walking around with sandals made out of tires....:)
[00:55] <merodach> if i'm lucky
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[01:08] <merodach> are you a survivalist or just a person who finds satisfaction in being self-sufficient, walt?
[01:09] <scooby> brb
[01:10] <merodach> how long have you been aware of nibiru?
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[01:17] <merodach> how long have you been planning for nibiru, walt?....hello?
[01:18] <merodach> anybody there?...is walt a zeta reticularian?
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[01:19] <Richard> hi
[01:19] <merodach> hello rick
[01:20] <Richard> hi mero
[01:20] <Richard> quiet here
[01:21] <merodach> what do you plan to do if nibiru is true, ric?
[01:22] <Richard> get out of town  :)
[01:22] <merodach> where to?....what will you hide in?
[01:23] <Richard> countryside ... maybe an Anderson Shelter
[01:23] <Richard> what about yourself?
[01:23] <merodach> anderson shelter?
[01:24] <Richard> those half round corrugated airraid shelters used in Britain during WW2
[01:24] <merodach> you have one ready?
[01:24] <Richard> not yet
[01:25] <Richard> what about yourself
[01:25] <merodach> i just plan to dig a hole on a high ridge on some state gameland i've hiked into
[01:26] <Richard> you on your own (single)?
[01:26] <merodach> yes.....don't have any interest in a family....troubling times
[01:27] <Richard> I have a wife
[01:27] <Richard> 3 kids  but all grown up now & left home
[01:27] <merodach> wow....i wish my dad was more in your mind set
[01:28] <Richard> hey I wish my kids were more in my mind set
[01:28] <Richard> the youngest thinks I've finally flipped
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[01:28] <merodach> believe me.....you have not flipped
[01:29] <merodach> but we all might be flipping soon
[01:29] <Richard> if I was single like you I would be doing exactly what you are
[01:29] <Richard> hole in a park
[01:29] <Richard> many trees?
[01:30] <Richard> hi obany
[01:30] <merodach> tell  your kids to read isaiah 24, luke 21:25, revelation 6:12-17, ecclesiastes 1:9
[01:31] <Richard> obany: has zetatalk discussion happened yet ... if not how many hours away?
[01:31] <merodach> i have a chain saw....i figure if things are going haywire, nobody will care if i start denuding the top of the ridge i am on
[01:31] <Richard> I will reread those myself mero
[01:32] <Richard> mero:  :+)
[01:33] <Richard> how long have you been aware of the shift mero?
[01:33] <merodach> a year or so
[01:33] <merodach> what about you?
[01:34] <Richard> about the same time
[01:34] <Richard> 9/11 got me reading
[01:35] <obany> Richard: hehehehhe more then 10
[01:35] <Richard> had a terrible nightmare prior to 9/11 and when I saw it on TV (9/11) I told my wife it was the same 'evil' I experienced in my dream
[01:35] <Richard> more than 10 hours you mean obany?
[01:35] <obany> it started over here some 13hours ago
[01:36] <obany> yes
[01:36] <Richard> that's the trouble living in a different time zone
[01:36] <merodach> i had nightmares after 911....just a nonspecific feeling of terror that made me wake up
[01:37] <merodach> something horrible and unstoppable coming was the feeling i had
[01:37] <Richard> yes that was one powerful event
[01:38] <Richard> had a crazy notion the other day
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[01:39] <Richard> add 9 & 11 = 20 and if the 20 was months then  from September 2001 it would bring you to May 2003
[01:39] <Richard> was that the message?
[01:39] <Richard> we will know soon enough
[01:39] <merodach> wow....that is deep...
[01:40] <merodach> it very well could be the last warning
[01:40] <Richard> you live in the usa?
[01:40] <merodach> yes...midwest
[01:41] <Richard> farming country?
[01:41] <merodach> yes....isolated on a 900 ft elevation....with surrounding ridges that probably go up to 1200
[01:42] <Richard> sounds good
[01:42] <Richard> been checking out ranges that go to 1000 ourselves
[01:43] <merodach> i never thought of the 20 month thing.....that is eerie
[01:43] <Richard> I don't know whether it is just pure luck or whether it really is a message
[01:44] <Richard> but it was only end of last week it hit me
[01:44] <merodach> like when i heard about the total people killed in 911 being 3025....isaiah 30:25...."in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall."
[01:45] <Richard> mero: was that the final figure as they kept dropping the numbers down ... certainly in the last year as more people were found
[01:47] <merodach> and then a few verses later..."behold, the name of the Lord comes from afar, burning with His anger, and His burden is heavy; His lips are full of indignation, and His tongue like a devouring fire."
[01:48] <merodach> i think it is more than coincidence
[01:48] <Richard> definitely more understanding is coming to light as time moves on
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[01:51] <Richard> brb ... have to feed the dog
[01:57] <Richard> back
[01:58] <Richard> hey walt didn't know you were here
[01:58] <Richard> hi
[01:58] <merodach> i have a feeling that the population subconsciously senses that something bad is coming
[01:58] <walt> Hi
[01:58] <Richard> mero: I agree
[01:59] <merodach> the mirth of the tambourine is fading...there doesn't seem to be any real enjoyment in celebrations
[01:59] <Richard> and making small talk to people (I'm a postie) it comes through in the way they 'phrase' certain things
[01:59] <merodach> going through the motions
[01:59] <Richard> your quiet walt
[02:00] <merodach> how long have you felt certain about nibiru, walt?
[02:01] <Richard> however if the population thought the 'something bad'  was a passing planet I think they won't believe
[02:02] <Richard> too extreme for most people
[02:02] <merodach> warnings of something from the heavens destroying earth over and over in the bible.....but people have been conditioned
[02:03] <merodach> they associate such talk with ufo's and sci-fi
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[02:04] <obany> i already thought, where are you :P
[02:04] <obany> scooby :P
[02:04] <scooby> lol
[02:04] <scooby> been trying some different configs in home network
[02:05] <scooby> still only seeing 1.5 Mbbs down
[02:05] <scooby> Mbps
[02:05] <scooby> should be closer to 3
[02:05] <scooby> : (
[02:05] <scooby> how r u obany?
[02:05] <obany> fine fine ..... ....
[02:05] <scooby> what is the time there?  about 10AM
[02:05] <scooby> ?
[02:05] <obany> 11:05am
[02:06] <scooby> ok
[02:06] <Richard> 11:07pm here
[02:06] <scooby> 2:05 AM here
[02:06] <scooby> you in au, right?
[02:06] <merodach> where are you at rick?
[02:06] <Richard> wanna know what happened on Sunday   :)
[02:06] <scooby> lol
[02:06] <Richard> i'm in New Zealand
[02:06] <scooby> who won the football game (american, that is)
[02:06] <Richard> still
[02:07] <Richard> between whom
[02:07] <scooby> lol
[02:07] <Richard> :)
[02:07] <scooby> thought you would know since sunday already happened there
[02:07] <scooby> ; )
[02:07] <Richard> argh but I must know which game it was
[02:07] <scooby> the will be only 2 to chose from...
[02:08] <Richard> was that the Bowl final?
[02:08] <scooby> getting close to the Super Bowl
[02:08] <Richard> semi's?
[02:08] <scooby> yup
[02:08] <scooby> i dont even remember who is playinfg
[02:08] <scooby> think Oakland v someone
[02:08] <Richard> well I don't even know who made the semi's
[02:08] <scooby> and someone else against someone else
[02:08] <scooby> lol
[02:09] <Richard> thta's the one
[02:09] <scooby> so who won?
[02:09] <Richard> someone else
[02:09] <Richard> by a neck
[02:09] <Richard> lol
[02:09] <scooby> damn! I bet the farm on someone
[02:09] <Richard> he he
[02:10] <merodach> tell them about your numerology, rick....911
[02:11] <Richard> I mentioned to mero that 9+11=20 and if you take the 20 as 20 months then from September 2001 20 months brings you to May 2003
[02:12] <scooby> hmmmm
[02:12] <scooby> interesting
[02:12] <Richard> that's what I said to myself
[02:12] <Richard> interesting & hmmm
[02:12] <scooby> 9+1+1=11
[02:12] <scooby> so how does that figure?
[02:13] <Richard> I know there are heaps of combinations you can muck around with
[02:13] <scooby> yeah
[02:13] <scooby> and one works...
[02:13] <merodach> you have to look for the connections
[02:13] <scooby> there is some truth to the numerology thing tho, methinks
[02:13] <Richard> I wasn't trying to make anything work
[02:13] <Richard> just I realised only last week
[02:13] <scooby> a person on this channel named nightbird was reading the numbers for some of us one night
[02:13] <scooby> and it was dead on right for me
[02:14] <scooby> all I told her was my full name and birthdate
[02:14] <scooby> she crunched the numbers and told me all about me
[02:14] <scooby> she did it for a few others in the room
[02:14] <scooby> and they were "spot on" too
[02:14] <scooby> weird
[02:14] <merodach> a small disaster....on a date...heralding a much larger one to come
[02:14] <scooby> right
[02:14] <Richard> interesting & hmmmm  :+)
[02:15] <scooby> lol
[02:15] <scooby> then when I gave her the PIN for my bank account...
[02:15] <scooby> just kidding
[02:15] <Richard> how is the planning going scooby?
[02:15] <scooby> slo
[02:15] <scooby> mostly soing spiritual planning
[02:16] <Richard> that's good
[02:16] <scooby> since I am so accustomed to a comfortable life
[02:16] <Richard> has to be positive for you
[02:16] <scooby> i dont know if I want to try and make it after
[02:16] <merodach> richard....here is an interesting unlabeled soho satellite pic for you to look at...top right-hand corner....click on it...http://www/cyberspaceorbit.com/indexback60.html
[02:16] <Richard> know what you mean
[02:16] <scooby> although it does sound "romantic"
[02:17] <Richard> will check that out mero
[02:17] <merodach> it does, doesn't it?
[02:18] <Richard> scooby the tack I'm taking is
[02:18] <merodach> where your daily concern is staying alive and finding something to wear on your bare feet
[02:18] <Richard> if we survive then we do and there will be a lot of work to do
[02:19] <Richard> if I don't survive the reincarnation should (hopefully) be into a better world
[02:19] <scooby> and I think that is the point that most folks are missing
[02:19] <scooby> THE SOUL LIVES ON
[02:20] <scooby> we will be reuninted in the next go-round
[02:20] <scooby> learn your lessons here and move on
[02:20] <scooby> dont get too attached to this blue ball here
[02:20] <scooby> its only one planet
[02:20] <Richard> hard to stay focused on that in normal everyday living
[02:21] <scooby> yeah, i know
[02:21] <Richard> the grind grinds most people down
[02:21] <scooby> no motivation
[02:21] <scooby> whats the point...
[02:21] <merodach> that which has been is what will be, that which is done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun.
[02:22] <Richard> mero: interesting pictures
[02:22] <scooby> amen mero
[02:23] <merodach> nibiru is described as having a tail with debris and moons swirling about in it, richard
[02:23] <merodach> i had seen that photo over and over and then it hit me
[02:23] <Richard> yep
[02:25] <Richard> tell me which picture again mero
[02:25] <merodach> top right-hand corner...click on it for the fuul picture
[02:25] <merodach> full
[02:26] <Richard> loading
[02:27] <Richard> that's a big picture
[02:27] <merodach> i know...check out the object at about 3 o'clock
[02:28] <Richard> see it
[02:29] <Richard> is that nbiru
[02:29] <merodach> strange how it is unlabeled and right there by their 2003 date
[02:29] <merodach> i don't know....
[02:30] <Richard> think I'll use the name wormwood ... its easier to spell
[02:30] <Richard> what is the big blue spot in middle of picture and the white ring inside it?
[02:31] <merodach> that is the sun....the soho satellite is in an orbit between the earth and the sun
[02:31] <Richard> aha
[02:32] <scooby> so the object you are refering to is where?
[02:32] <scooby> in that pic?
[02:32] <Richard> 3 o'clock
[02:32] <merodach> so that object is approaching torwards the sun....from the other side
[02:33] <Richard> from memory the zeta's say it zig zags on its way into our solar system
[02:34] <Richard> which causes an ebb & flow affect in matters
[02:35] <Richard> so we get lots of natural diasters and then it will go quiet for a short time and then back to nature going haywire
[02:36] <Richard> some days you know for certain its on its way and other days you question your own sanity
[02:36] <Richard> ebb & flow
[02:36] <Richard> yes?
[02:36] <merodach> something about a natural repulsion force between it and the sun too....slows it down, then it speeds up
[02:37] <scooby> are you talking about the thing with the ring around it in the middle, just above 3 o'clock?
[02:37] <merodach> yes
[02:37] <scooby> i think that is saturn
[02:38] <scooby> but i dunno
[02:38] <scooby> not an astronomer...
[02:38] <Richard> me neither
[02:38] <Richard> only have atin can ... no telescope
[02:38] <scooby> lol
[02:38] <merodach> i think that ring is some kind of artifact from the imaging...i've seen it in other deliberately targeted objects...like a crosshair
[02:38] <Richard> mind you I cut the bottom of the can out first
[02:39] <Richard> seeing as its off a nasa site if it was wormwood they would not leave it in the image
[02:39] <Richard> it would be airbrushed out
[02:40] <merodach> true....unless they didn't cut the feed in time....or somebody at nasa slipped it to somebody to help get the word out
[02:40] <merodach> or it could be nothing....
[02:40] <Richard> true
[02:40] <walt> lots of paranoia
[02:41] <Richard> well there is one way you can keep a practical approach to this whole thing
[02:41] <Richard> in your planning
[02:41] <Richard> plan for two events
[02:42] <Richard> one for life as we know it to finish or for things to continue
[02:42] <Richard> so if its food you are stocking up on it wouldn't go amiss in either event
[02:43] <Richard> if you are learning skills like hunting, building a house both will suit either event
[02:43] <scooby> that is another thing I have been thinking...
[02:43] <scooby> what is so wrong with preparing for a natural disaster
[02:43] <scooby> ?
[02:43] <Richard> and you will have learnt a skill in the meantime
[02:43] <scooby> they happen all the time
[02:43] <walt> scoob nothing
[02:43] <scooby> so why am I doing so little????
[02:43] <scooby> aaaaaaaa
[02:43] <walt> you should be preapared at all times for emergemcies
[02:43] <Richard> that's the tack I'm taking
[02:44] <scooby> i know
[02:44] * scooby slaps some sense into himself
[02:44] <Richard> they are running an ad on TV here for earthquakes
[02:44] <Richard> its called "fix, fasten & forget"
[02:45] <Richard> as in a hot water cylinder with a metal strap around it
[02:45] <Richard> not that it will help anyone in a force 15 earthquake
[02:45] <Richard> but its another sign they are slipping the message out to people
[02:45] <merodach> it's just weird....all the things occurring...and "the core" coming out in a month or two about a pole shift.....numerous movies like deep impact and armageddon
[02:46] <Richard> in a round about way
[02:46] <walt> that and the fact we had a major EQ last year
[02:46] <Richard> mero: here in NZ they are showing lots of sci-fi movies on TV
[02:46] <Richard> now it might be because its school holidays
[02:47] <Richard> but then again it may be another reason
[02:47] <walt> way to much paranoia
[02:47] <Richard> last night they showed "attack from mars"
[02:47] <walt> "they"
[02:48] <Richard> there's this multi coloured brain running around going tch tch tch tch
[02:48] <Richard> they = TV
[02:48] <merodach> you might want to use your search engine and read "the armies of abaddon"
[02:48] <walt> dont look for things that arent there, because you will see what you want
[02:49] <merodach> and "the armada of tarshish"
[02:49] <walt> you are seeing exactly what you expect to see
[02:49] <walt> if that makes any sense
[02:49] <merodach> i sure don't want to see what seems to be coming
[02:49] <Richard> it does walt
[02:50] <walt> why is everything a conspiracy??
[02:50] <scooby> not everything...  just those that seem like obvious ones
[02:50] <scooby> Kennedy family
[02:50] <Richard> not everything is but there is no harm in looking at events from both sides
[02:51] <merodach> what would the governments do if they suspected imminent cataclysmic destruction
[02:51] <walt> your looking for conspiracies and you will always find them
[02:51] <scooby> CIA involvement in govt
[02:51] <merodach> they wouldn't tell us......too much at stake
[02:51] <scooby> overthrows
[02:51] <scooby> walt: maybe that's because they are there
[02:51] <walt> they would make preps to survive
[02:51] <scooby> and you dont think they are?
[02:52] <walt> nope
[02:52] <scooby> lol
[02:52] <Richard> walt: who would
[02:52] <walt> the gov
[02:52] <Richard> government?
[02:52] <walt> yes
[02:52] <walt> think about it
[02:53] <merodach> cheney was in the news recently because his neighbors were complaining about blasting being done under his house
[02:53] <scooby> thats the link I am looking for right now
[02:53] <merodach> most likely building a bunker
[02:53] <walt> if only "they" survived who would they govern?
[02:53] <walt> MER you got a site for that?
[02:53] <scooby> http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=34
[02:53] <walt> I didnt see it in the news?
[02:53] <scooby> not the one I was looking for
[02:54] <scooby> but about the russian govt prep
[02:54] <scooby> for who knows what
[02:54] <merodach> i heard it on npr radio.....but nancy addressed it in zetatalk
[02:54] <Richard> well work out 10% of 6 billion people and there are still alot of smucks to whip
[02:54] <walt> dont forget Nuc war is still athreat
[02:54] <scooby> http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13
[02:54] <scooby> Is V.P. Cheney Building His Poleshift Bunker?
[02:54] <scooby> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24386-2002Dec7.html
[02:54] <scooby> and on and on
[02:55] <merodach> nancy says that cheney is building a bunker under his house because he is afraid that the confusion and chaos will keep him from reaching more distant govt bunkers
[02:55] <scooby> GOVERNMENT: Canada-US Military Pact Also Covers “Natural Disasters”
[02:55] <scooby> Canada and the United States have signed a military cooperation agreement that allows each country's troops to cross the border in an emergency, officials said Monday.... Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham said the agreement, signed Dec. 5, covers a joint response to terrorist attacks on either side of the border, along with military assistance for other emergencies, including natural disasters....
[02:55] <scooby> http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20021209-1357-canada-us-military.html
[02:55] <scooby> why would they sign that?
[02:56] <scooby> canada is not gonna save us from al-quada
[02:56] <Richard> and FEMA have been instructed to have the planning for tent cities outside of all magor US cities in place by the end of JANUARY 2003
[02:56] <merodach> i did hear that about fema
[02:56] <Richard> the excuse ... terrorists to hit ALL cities?
[02:56] <merodach> of course later fema denied it
[02:57] <Richard>  come on give me a break
[02:57] <Richard> but it was leaked before they denied it
[02:57] <scooby> yeah, the whole 9-11 thing is getting way overblown but is making a perfect cover for this
[02:57] <scooby> if you can't see that walt, then you, my friend, are blind
[02:57] <Richard> agreed 100%
[02:58] <walt> no just not paraniod
[02:58] <Richard> 9'11 cover that is
[02:58] <Richard> you don't need to be paranoid to "see"
[02:58] <scooby> just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that they are not watching you
[02:58] <scooby> : )
[02:58] <Richard> walt living where I live i view all this like an observer
[02:59] <walt> if you go in looking for conspiracies thats exactly what you will find
[02:59] <Richard> that's a conspiracie in itself
[03:00] <merodach> maybe the u.s. military is being deployed in such diverse places because they want to maintain control of key areas containing natural resources after the ps  
[03:01] <scooby> i think so merodach
[03:01] <walt> why are the building a shelter in Cheneys residence?
[03:01] <Richard> here is an example of something the governemnt would not have told us about except a buglar got caught breaking into the governor generals residence here in New Zealand
[03:01] <scooby> wouldn't surprise me one bit
[03:01] <walt> when he can be flown to safety anywhere
[03:01] <scooby> good question walt
[03:01] <walt> to much better shelters
[03:01] <scooby> but the power structur is in washington
[03:01] <walt> to a safe zone?
[03:01] <scooby> he will want to be there
[03:02] <scooby> all the controls are there
[03:02] <scooby> things in place
[03:02] <Richard> the governor general was hosting a dinner for the King & Queen of Belguim who were here in NZ to discuss buying land
[03:02] <walt> yep and odds are if a nuke went off he wouldnt have 5 months warning
[03:02] <Richard> only reported on the news because the buglar got caught
[03:02] <walt> when would they need tentscities for all cities?
[03:03] <walt> why would they nee
[03:03] <Richard> planning to be in place by the end of this month
[03:03] <merodach> if the earthquakes destroy all cities
[03:03] <Richard> it was reported on the www.rense.com
[03:03] <walt> or how about selected cities got hit by terrorists?
[03:03] <merodach> millions of displaced citizens wondering the countryside....if the hurricanes and flooding don't kill them
[03:04] <walt> nice to have the means available immediately
[03:04] <Richard> there are no terrorists
[03:04] <Richard> its all a crock of shit
[03:04] <walt> like I said if you are looking for conspiracy, you will find it
[03:04] <merodach> that wouldn't suprise me
[03:05] <walt> oh thats right "they" destroyef the TT
[03:05] <merodach> i think bin laden is a crock
[03:05] <Richard> no you got fed the con by the terrorist junk news
[03:05] <Richard> and they just keep turning the ratchet up every so often
[03:06] <walt> no RICH you got fed the con by the conspiracy theorist
[03:06] <merodach> so what happened with the king and queen of belgium?
[03:06] <Richard> sorry don't agree
[03:06] <walt> I know
[03:06] <Richard> as I said I can view this as an observer living where I live
[03:07] <Richard> in america the issue is one thing only
[03:07] <walt> to say there are no terrorist is BS
[03:07] <merodach> granted....i'm not a commercial pilot, but am a private pilot and i guarantee you....the 911 story is a load of manure
[03:07] <Richard> did you know that the cnn news I see is for international consumption
[03:07] <walt> we just havent been hit like other countries have until 9/11
[03:07] <Richard> and is different to cnn shown in america
[03:07] <Richard> 'and that is no conspiracey
[03:08] <merodach> nobody has ever been hit like 911
[03:08] <merodach> because it wouldn't normally be possible
[03:08] <walt> why not
[03:09] <walt> we have no security
[03:09] <walt> for something like that
[03:09] <Richard> hey walt do you live in a city or rural?
[03:09] <walt> Im rural
[03:09] <merodach> because commercial flights are assigned an altitude and direction.....the minute they deviate and no radio contact is made, NORAD is contacted and fighter jets are scrambled
[03:10] <walt> now they are
[03:10] <merodach> commercial flights are tracked continuously by air traffic radar
[03:10] <merodach> that has always been the protocol
[03:10] <merodach> not just after 911
[03:10] <Richard> look how long those planes had to fly un hampered once they turned back from their flight path
[03:11] <merodach> close to an hour
[03:11] <walt> no they didnt
[03:11] <Richard> that is a long time for no one to be pushing buttons
[03:12] <walt> 1 hr flying is 4-600 miles
[03:12] <Richard> anyone see the pilot show to the "lone Gunman" series in the USA?
[03:12] <merodach> the planes were off course from 40 minutes to an hour
[03:13] <Richard> showed a commercial airliner being flown into the TT 19 MONTHS before the real event
[03:13] <walt> whats the distance between boston and NY
[03:13] <Richard> it is on the web
[03:13] <merodach> and no jets were scrambled
[03:13] <scooby> http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index.html#jets
[03:13] <scooby> walt: familiarize yourself with this site
[03:13] <Richard> no walt those planes were half way across the country before they turned back
[03:13] <scooby> the guy is an ex cop
[03:14] <merodach> the jets weren't flying at 600mph....more like 300 for turning and course correction
[03:14] <scooby> has several family members in the CIA
[03:14] <merodach> they were doing about 400 at the final impact
[03:14] <scooby> and sees major conspiracies in the lies they tell us
[03:14] <scooby> they being the govt and the CIA
[03:15] <Richard> CIa formed from the ashes of the nazi party
[03:15] <scooby> On 11 September there were two entire squadrons of combat-ready fighter jets at Andrews. Their job was to protect the skies over Washington D.C. They failed to do their job. Despite over one hour's advance warning of a terrorist attack in progress, not a single Andrews fighter tried to protect the city.
[03:15] <scooby> http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/11_20_01_911murder.html
[03:15] <scooby> The FAA, NORAD and the military have cooperative procedures by which fighter jets automatically intercept commercial aircraft under emergency conditions. These procedures were not followed
[03:15] <merodach> absolutely
[03:16] <Richard> its not a conspiracey walt ...... its a plan
[03:16] <scooby> lol
[03:16] <Richard> to throw people off the scent of what is really happening
[03:16] <scooby> U.S. air safety and air defense emergency systems are activated in response to problems every day. On 9-11 they failed despite, not because of, the extreme nature of the emergency. This could only happen if individuals in high positions worked in a coordinated way to make them fail.
[03:18] <Richard> you can NOT have panic by the general population if an inbound (planet) is coming ... so you have to have a plan to point people in another direction for all the ills of the world
[03:18] <Richard> for america its terrorists
[03:18] <scooby> Mars will also be handy
[03:18] <merodach> of course....the old payne stewart example helps....1999....stewart was a golf pro who chartered a lear jet from florida to texas
[03:19] <walt> I will let you continue with your conspiracy talk its late here
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[03:19] <Richard> lol
[03:19] <scooby> ah well...
[03:19] <merodach> the jet depressurized at 40,000 feet and everybody died....plane deviated off course and in 14 minutes f-15 fighters were at 40,000 feet inspecting
[03:19] <Richard> hmm there are conspiray buffs amongst us .... I didn't know they cared
[03:19] <Richard> :+)
[03:20] <Richard> walt will be back tomorrow ... you wanna bet?
[03:20] <scooby> oh yeah... he's addicted...
[03:20] <scooby> brb
[03:20] <Richard> ~:+)   ye ha
[03:20] <obany> what are you guys tlaking about it now?
[03:21] <Richard> whats that word obany (tlaking)
[03:22] <Richard> ?
[03:22] <merodach> i'm amazed....some people just live on the edge
[03:23] <merodach> :)....see thru all the crap
[03:23] <obany> talking heheheheh :P
[03:23] <Richard> well there's plenty of it out there mero ... certainly in this new millenium
[03:24] <obany> don't look at my typos
[03:24] <obany> :P
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[03:25] <Richard> did you ask what we are talking about now or did you mean what will we talk about now (now that walts left)?
[03:25] <Richard> former or latter?
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[03:26] <obany> uuh earlier on ...
[03:27] <merodach> so you think all the hullabaloo is a distraction, ric?
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[03:29] <Richard1> back
[03:30] <obany> <obany> uuh earlier on ...
[03:30] <obany> <merodach> so you think all the hullabaloo is a distraction, ric?
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[03:30] <obany> <Richard1> back
[03:30] <merodach> so you think the present global political situation is a distraction, ric?
[03:30] <Richard1> I do yes obany
[03:31] <Richard1> the number of troops being sent to the middle east is way more than is needed
[03:31] <Richard1> and america is in the financial poo
[03:32] <merodach> it is strange
[03:32] <Richard1> they can't afford a war on the scale they are planning
[03:32] <merodach> the economy is worse than most realize
[03:32] <Richard1> 46 of the 50 states are in the finanacial meltdown
[03:32] <merodach> maybe they know that it won't matter how much it costs in the near future
[03:33] <Richard1> if Brazil defaults on the IMF payments they say the whole thing will fall like a pack of cards  ... glocally
[03:33] <scooby> what about VZ?
[03:33] <Richard1> woops globally
[03:33] <Richard1> you mean NZ?
[03:34] <scooby> Venezuela
[03:34] <scooby> they are having financial issues too
[03:34] <Richard1> that's a strange affair Venezuela
[03:34] <scooby> sorry.. trying to eat and type
[03:34] <merodach> i think the cia is continuing to try to create a coup in venezuela
[03:34] <scooby> i thought they liked chavez
[03:35] <Richard1> remember the first attempted coup against Chavez?
[03:35] <merodach> to place a more friendly puppet govt to guarantee oil supplies
[03:35] <scooby> i thnk the people have had enuff!
[03:35] <merodach> the people do like chavez
[03:35] <Richard1> well when they installed that guy for 1 day on the news they showed the dude at the podium
[03:35] <Richard1> camera panned to the crowd in the hall
[03:36] <obany> check http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use20031.htm
[03:36] <Richard1> and there's this guy who looked just like Danny De Vito
[03:36] <merodach> maybe it wasde vito
[03:36] <Richard1> jumping up and down in his chair giving the dude at the podium a big thumbs up
[03:36] <Richard1> that segment was only shown the once
[03:37] <merodach> lol
[03:37] <scooby> what am i supposed to see obany?
[03:37] <Richard1> you could see it was "Shit hot buddy now we can cream even more money outta this place"
[03:37] <obany> scooby: discussion
[03:38] <Richard1> and walt doesn't see conspiraceies
[03:38] <merodach> apparently i've read that there is no unrest in venezuela....the people like chavez....but the press and a few of the extremely wealthy are trying to create a "magical coup"
[03:39] <merodach> with the cia of course backing them
[03:39] <Richard1> I would agree with that mero
[03:39] <scooby> yes, finally, discussion
[03:39] <Richard1> just another firecracker to make the people look elsewhere
[03:40] <Richard1> like the zeta's said "heads would hunt heads"
[03:40] <merodach> i just can't get over the 20 month countdown thing, ric
[03:40] <Richard1> would should read will
[03:41] <Richard1> crazy
[03:41] <merodach> heads would hunt heads?
[03:41] <Richard1> I didn't plan it  .... it just fell into place
[03:42] <Richard1> the zeta's say that near the end leaders would hunt and turn on other leaders
[03:42] <Richard1> heads will hunt heads
[03:42] <Richard1> heads of state
[03:43] <merodach> russia and china are remaining suprisingly quiet
[03:44] <Richard1> did you know that in 2000 or 2001 the russian govt said they would be facing a craisis in 2003
[03:44] <merodach> yes....have read that article many times
[03:45] <merodach> they said that they were unsure if russia would exist after 2003
[03:45] <Richard1> things like a run down infrastructure, balance of payments interest due
[03:45] <obany> i read those kind of things yes ......
[03:45] <Richard1> that's right mero
[03:47] <Richard1> so much to do with so little time left
[03:47] <Richard1> you guys collecting seeds at all?
[03:48] <merodach> here is an interesting thought....if the government or factions of the government are aware of nibiru.....we should see people in the government leaving office or declining to run or "freaking out" soon
[03:48] <Richard1> see if wormwood doesn't happen I haven't wasted my time as I will have a heap of seed stored to plant out in my garden, sell or give away
[03:49] <merodach> fear factor taking over
[03:49] <Richard1> YES
[03:49] <Richard1> I can tell you this has happened here in NZ
[03:49] <obany> brb
[03:49] <merodach> like?
[03:49] <Richard1> two people turned down the job of High Commissioner to Nauru Island
[03:50] <Richard1> the person who eventually took the job will be on US$50,000 plus expenses a year
[03:50] <Richard1> to administer 1,800 people on an atoll
[03:51] <Richard1> now I won't want to live on an atoll in the south pacific with the rising seas
[03:51] <merodach> sounds like a cush job
[03:51] <merodach> but maybe they know?
[03:52] <Richard1> and the first two people (governemnt people) might have been thinking that with global warming they didn't want to live on an atoll
[03:52] <Richard1> but since when have you heard of people in govt turning down a tranquil and cushy job?
[03:53] <Richard1> i say the signs are all aound us
[03:53] <Richard1> it just needs the dedication and time to scan the news
[03:54] <Richard1> you come here often mero?
[03:54] <merodach> i suspected it had a ring of truth to it when i first read hazelwood's site and then found so many references in the bible to a similar scenario
[03:54] <scooby> mero: you heard that Al Gore decided not to run for US Pres, right?
[03:54] <merodach> i have been coming here more than i should....lol
[03:54] <Richard1> lol
[03:55] <merodach> yes...and tom dashle
[03:55] <Richard1> you guys I always notice a few names here everytime I come here but they never have said anything
[03:56] <Richard1> Ralf
[03:56] <scooby> some people like to lurk
[03:56] <merodach> they might be zetas
[03:56] <merodach> lol
[03:56] <scooby> Ralf is a kingpin
[03:56] <Richard1> ydgrasil
[03:56] <scooby> LOL
[03:56] <scooby> ydgrasil is a spy
[03:56] <scooby> lol
[03:56] <merodach> is he?....really?
[03:57] <merodach> spying for whom?
[03:57] <scooby> no of course not
[03:57] <Richard1> no scooby is the spy
[03:57] * scooby slaps merodach around with reality
[03:57] <Richard1> ~:+)
[03:57] <scooby> bwahahahahaha
[03:57] <Richard1> just call me James
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[03:57] <Richard1> Bond that is
[03:58] <Richard1> hello tex away is away
[03:58] <scooby> alot of these ppl just want to stay connected
[03:58] <scooby> several in here are IRC ops
[03:58] <scooby> and can do wonderful things
[03:58] <scooby> lol
[03:59] <Richard1> connected to the coming event or connected online?
[03:59] <Richard1> :)
[03:59] <scooby> connected to the event silly
[03:59] <merodach> well....interesting chat, but i have to attend to everyday life matters
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[03:59] <Richard1> :+)
[03:59] <scooby> bye
[03:59] <scooby> damn he didnt even wait
[03:59] <Richard1> some do that
[03:59] <Richard1> gone in a cloud
[04:00] <scooby> poof
[04:00] <Richard1> haven't seen mero here before
[04:00] <scooby> one guy used to go "blip!" right b4 signing off
[04:00] <scooby> me neither
[04:00] <Richard1> hmmmm
[04:00] <scooby> dunno bout that walt guy tho
[04:00] <scooby> lol
[04:01] <Richard1> yeah walts been here a few times before but stayed rather quiet
[04:01] <scooby> yeah...
[04:01] <Richard1> until this time
[04:01] <scooby> kinda makes me wonder
[04:01] <scooby> what his intentions are
[04:01] <Richard1> certainly have to remember to keep a lid on not saying too much
[04:02] <scooby> what, me paranoid?
[04:02] <scooby> shhhhhhh
[04:02] <Richard1> no jut Black Sabbath
[04:02] <Richard1> jut =just
[04:02] <Richard1> what's your job scooby?
[04:02] <scooby> i think if you dont give out any specific personal info, you'll be OK
[04:02] <scooby> lol
[04:03] <Richard1> lol
[04:03] <scooby> tech support for a cable ISP
[04:03] <Richard1> thought you were in computers
[04:03] <scooby> lol
[04:06] <obany> it's only the 2 of you talking now here huh :P
[04:06] <obany> scooby
[04:06] <obany> richard1
[04:06] <obany> scooby
[04:06] <obany> richard1
[04:06] <Richard1> PRESENTLY
[04:07] <Richard1> oops caps lock on
[04:08] <scooby> now there are three  :)
[04:08] <Richard1> everyone else must be out on the town
[04:09] <scooby> or down for the count
[04:09] <scooby> hey...  i'm going on a cruise next weekend!
[04:09] <scooby> we leave for miami on Wed
[04:09] <scooby> and go out next fri
[04:09] <Richard1> I'll have to call it quits soon as its gone 1am Monday morning here & I have to work in the morning
[04:09] <scooby> never been on a real cruise b4...
[04:09] <scooby> yeah...  
[04:10] <scooby> i need to bet to bed
[04:10] <Richard1> cool scooby
[04:10] <scooby> nite rich
[04:10] <Richard1> how long will holiday be?
[04:10] <scooby> or... good morning...
[04:10] <Richard1> later scooby
[04:10] <scooby> i will be off work for 10 days
[04:10] <scooby> w00t
[04:10] <Richard1> enjoy yourself
[04:10] <scooby> ty, i will
[04:11] <scooby> tkaing rthe whoel family
[04:11] <scooby> ugg
[04:11] <scooby> you know what i meant
[04:11] <Richard1> waving not drowning
[04:11] <Richard1> lol
[04:11] <scooby> yes waving
[04:11] <scooby> g'day mate!
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[04:12] <Richard1> ok obany I'd better away as well
[04:12] <scooby-afk> see you l8r
[04:12] <Richard1> see you later
[04:12] <Richard1> ~:+)
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[04:13] <obany> sigh everybody leaves
[04:13] <scooby-afk> obany: you smell
[04:13] <scooby-afk> lol
[04:13] <scooby-afk> g'nite
[04:14] <scooby-afk> btw, thanks for that link
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[04:25] <obany> hi nebu
[04:25] <nebu> hi
[04:37] <obany> nebu: seen this yet http://www.zetatalk.com/usenet/use20031.htm ?
[04:37] <obany> and updated http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm
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[05:24] <amaroli> hello,i am franco from italy
[05:25] <amaroli> where are you from?
[05:25] <obany> Netherlands
[05:25] <amaroli> oh,you have to take care about water
[05:25] <obany> and you take it serious right?
[05:26] <amaroli> yes
[05:26] <obany> i know, i know the Netherlands ain't safe
[05:26] <amaroli> last month on "new scientist" they wrote
[05:26] <amaroli> that astronomers
[05:26] <amaroli> found the planet
[05:27] <amaroli> and it is 4 times bigger than earth
[05:27] <amaroli> as zeta say
[05:27] <obany> i doubt that is about Planet X that they spoke about, but there are leaks etc...
[05:27] <obany> and yes it's 4 times bigger as the earth
[05:27] <amaroli> why you doubt?
[05:28] <amaroli> i think cannot be a coincidence
[05:28] <obany> i don't doubt about Planet X
[05:28] <amaroli> there is someone other from Europe?
[05:28] <amaroli> i think we must go to Hungary
[05:28] <amaroli> it is safe
[05:30] <amaroli> nobody speaks here?
[05:31] <obany> yes yes ...
[05:31] <obany> but some are well sleeping now it will get busier later on
[05:32] <amaroli> you have telescope?
[05:32] <obany> nope
[05:32] <obany> anyway about hungary
[05:32] <obany> Hungary
[05:32] <obany> Hungary lies within several mountain ranges, which will shelter it from waves in the sloshing oceans and seas, and from the howling winds which occur during the shift itself. The land has rich soil and intelligent people, and thus they will pick up the pieces and try to start life anew. In addition, being situated along the new equator, much further south than the situation today, the climate will be pleasant. Hungary's largest
[05:32] <obany> lem will be its very advantages, as survivors in other nearby areas migrate away from the rising polar melt and devastated coastal cities.
[05:32] <obany> ZetaTalk â„¢
[05:32] <obany> icon
[05:33] <obany> you see
[05:33] <amaroli> you remember all??
[05:33] <obany> no no
[05:33] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx136.htm
[05:33] <obany> and i don't have a scope
[05:34] <amaroli> you think i can see the Planet with a little scope in next days?
[05:34] <obany> have you seen the update yet on this page ? http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm
[05:34] <amaroli> no
[05:34] <amaroli> what say?
[05:34] <obany> has new pictures etc...
[05:34] <obany> anywah have to eat now
[05:35] <obany> will return later
[05:35] <amaroli> ok
[05:35] <amaroli> bye
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[07:05] <woogles> anyone have the logs of yesterday?
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[07:47] <Nightbird> HI everyone
[07:48] <joallie> HI
[07:49] <woogles> hey queen, are the logs going to be up today?
[07:49] <Nightbird> anything going on?
[07:49] <QueenVee> yes, woogles, they will
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[07:50] <obany> hi and brb
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[07:51] <joallie> when is dicussion's starting?
[07:51] <QueenVee> hello joallie
[07:51] <QueenVee> right now!
[07:51] <joallie> Hi
[07:51] <QueenVee> what brings you to this room, joallie?
[07:51] <Nightbird> whenever anyone has something to say, Jo
[07:52] <Nightbird> The sessions with Nancy is on Saturdays
[07:52] <joallie> I have been reading a lot about pole shift and I was wondering  if I am the only one believing...
[07:52] <Nightbird> are on saturdays... rather
[07:52] <QueenVee> well, the people who come to this room take it very seriously....
[07:52] <QueenVee> and are in the process of preparing
[07:53] <QueenVee> what part of the world do you live in, Joallie?
[07:53] <joallie> That's what I been doing to
[07:53] <joallie> Québec Canada
[07:53] <QueenVee> salut
[07:53] <QueenVee> fellow canuck
[07:53] <joallie> Where are you from?
[07:53] <joallie> Salut
[07:53] <QueenVee> i'm in southwestern ontario
[07:53] <joallie> ok.
[07:54] <QueenVee> whereabouts in quebec?
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[07:54] <joallie> I have a question...Shouldn't we be able to see planet X by now?
[07:54] <obany> hello
[07:54] <obany> joallie: around the 30th of March
[07:54] <QueenVee> joallie: PX won't be visible to the naked eye until end of March
[07:54] <joallie> Jonquière, %00 km north of Montreal
[07:54] <joallie> 500 km
[07:55] <QueenVee> that's a good area....
[07:55] <joallie> I hope so...I have been loking aroun for higher ground...
[07:55] <QueenVee> what elevation are you at?
[07:56] <joallie> right now about 200
[07:56] <QueenVee> oh, not good
[07:56] <joallie> Yep...I have to move higher...Found a place at 800
[07:57] <joallie> obany:30 march  thanks
[07:58] <QueenVee> hold on, joallie, i'm looking at my map....
[07:58] <joallie> ok..
[07:59] <QueenVee> oh dear, your uncomfortably close to the St. Lawrence Seaway....
[08:00] <joallie> yes mam(i am guessing it,S mam)
[08:00] <joallie> The best palce for me roght now would be in Laurentide park...
[08:02] <QueenVee> where is that?
[08:02] <joallie> between québec city and where I live
[08:02] <joallie> if this can help road 175
[08:03] <joallie> higher ground level is 800 next to the roadway
[08:04] <QueenVee> yes, that sounds like an excellent plan
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[08:04] <joallie> that's the best I can think of...
[08:05] <QueenVee> will still experience some major shake, rattle, and roll....
[08:05] <QueenVee> it would be a good question for ZetaTalk sessions....
[08:05] <joallie> I I know but the best is to come...I always believe something like this had to happend...
[08:06] <QueenVee> has to how far inland from the seaway will people experience the "heart stopping" action of the seaway widening
[08:06] <QueenVee> yes, indeed
[08:07] <joallie> I am trusting my intinct
[08:07] <QueenVee> yes, we all have to do that to some extent
[08:07] <joallie> I guess
[08:08] <woogles> seems everyone's spider sense is tingling these days ;)
[08:08] <QueenVee> there are so many unpredictable variables, that it is impossible to truly be prepared
[08:08] <QueenVee> we can only prepare as best we can
[08:08] <joallie> If i look at the ground morfologie I should be allright...
[08:08] <joallie> Where are you exactly?
[08:09] <joallie> you are right woogles.
[08:09] <QueenVee> i lived in toronto for the past 20 years, but recently relocated to my hometown of London, Ontario. My cousin has a farm about 40 miles from here, near Woodstock, Ontario, where i will be at the time of the shift
[08:10] <QueenVee> the elevation is 1500 feet
[08:10] <Nightbird> That should be a good spot, Queen
[08:10] <joallie> I have been talking to a lot of people during x-mas and found out that many people think about preparing for something they do not know what but they do prepare
[08:10] <QueenVee> we are smack dab between two Great Lakes, Huron and Erie -- but far enough inland from both to be affected by any "sloshing"....
[08:10] <joallie> I know the place you should be ok
[08:11] <joallie> Nightbird where are you at?
[08:11] <Nightbird> I am in north Texas... almost to OK
[08:11] <QueenVee> oh, yes, i see on my map the area you are thinking of relocating to, and i see that it is indeed of a higher elevation
[08:12] <Nightbird> kind of a dicey place
[08:12] <QueenVee> where exactly nightbird?
[08:12] <Nightbird> but all of my supplies are buried here
[08:12] <Nightbird> Gainesville
[08:12] <Nightbird> Look on I-35
[08:12] <Nightbird> I am in the country about 12 miles from Gainesville
[08:13] <joallie> the rock under the gainville are a strong kind and should withstand the earth quake well...
[08:13] <Nightbird> Yes.. the problems will be from the gulf
[08:13] <QueenVee> mmm, my map is not that detailed -- what's the nearest major city, nightbird?
[08:13] <Nightbird> Dallas
[08:13] <joallie> yep...Like for me the waterways...
[08:13] <Nightbird> I am in between Dallas and OK city
[08:14] <Nightbird> Dallas is about 80 miles south.. OKcity is about 140 miles north
[08:14] <Nightbird> I am right on the Red River
[08:14] <QueenVee> elevation?
[08:15] <Nightbird> 1000 feet
[08:15] <Nightbird> but no mountains or anything to stop the gulf
[08:15] <QueenVee> i would think you will be ok
[08:15] <joallie> how many miles from river?
[08:15] <QueenVee> mmmmm
[08:15] <Nightbird> hope so.. for my husband's sake.. personally I don't care if I make it
[08:15] <Nightbird> 6 miles
[08:16] <Nightbird> times will be hard
[08:16] <joallie> yep I agree
[08:16] <Nightbird> but he needs to live to teach others to survive
[08:16] <woogles> What's his profession?
[08:17] <Nightbird> about all I could teach is home canning and food preparation
[08:17] <Nightbird> we are both truckers
[08:17] <Nightbird> atleast I ma until August
[08:17] <Nightbird> whoa.. messed that up
[08:18] <Nightbird> I am till August.. plan on going to nursing school.. if PX doesn't show up
[08:18] <Nightbird> it's hard living in two worlds
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[08:18] <Nightbird> one world is the PS.. in which case I need to make sure I am home in time
[08:19] <Nightbird> the other world is making plans without PS...
[08:19] <Nightbird> always waling two paths it seems
[08:19] <QueenVee> nightbird: mmm, yes, ZT says that you are smack dab in the middle of a "very heavy traffic lane"....
[08:19] <Nightbird> walking, rather
[08:19] <woogles> I think we all have to do a bit of that, just in case
[08:19] <joallie> that is something I was wondering, How are we going to go on after ...If nothing happened?  I understand that dates can be rather hard to predict..
[08:19] <Nightbird> yep..
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[08:20] <Nightbird> But see I did all my preparing before I ever heard of Zetatalk
[08:20] <QueenVee> joallie: well, according to ZT, the date of the passing is pretty firm
[08:20] <Nightbird> and my stuff is buried here
[08:20] <woogles> joallie: In this case the prediction is so established, that if it doesn't come then, you probably shouldn't worry about it.
[08:20] <joallie> can I say good...If this do not shock anyone...
[08:21] <Nightbird> Part of me wants the PS to happen
[08:21] <obany> keep in mind that  the earth will suffer from inmense devistation
[08:21] <Nightbird> I am sick of the hatefulness of the world
[08:21] <joallie> what is PS
[08:21] <obany> PS=pole shift
[08:21] <Nightbird> Ple Shift =PS
[08:21] <joallie> You and me both
[08:21] <joallie> ok thanks
[08:21] <woogles> The earth will survive, it has for billions of years done so without us, it can do so again when most of us are gone.
[08:21] <Nightbird> something has to give
[08:22] <Nightbird> but on the other hand I hate to see the pain
[08:22] <joallie> I have always felt that I did not belong to this kind of world...I
[08:22] <woogles> Sometimes things..sad things.. need to happen, to make everything better again. I believe this is one of those times.
[08:22] <Nightbird> I wish the Z's were wrong... but the more I see.. the more I believe they are right
[08:22] <joallie> that the hardest thing to face night bird
[08:23] <Nightbird> yes.. at least I am aware enough to know that there is no death... and a moment of pain is worth the outcome
[08:23] <Nightbird> I want to graduate
[08:23] <QueenVee> wel, personally, i feel between a rock and a hard place; i find the prospect of living in the current world as scary as a post-poleshift world.... if not more so....
[08:24] <joallie> Even worst for my part
[08:24] <Nightbird> sickening isn't it, Queen... with all the crazy people out here
[08:25] <joallie> the world today do not make anymore sence things have to change otherwise we will destroy more than just ourself..
[08:25] <QueenVee> wow, i just remembered that i dreamt that i died last night... in the dream i was in some violent situation and at one point realized i was at the point of death; i thought to myself, this is where i leave my body, before the pain hits, and i proceeded to leave my body, looking down on myself...
[08:25] <QueenVee> it was so vivid and real
[08:26] <Nightbird> I believe we do leave our bodies when we sleep
[08:26] <joallie> do not forget that we chose everyone of them to come on earth during this precise time...
[08:26] <QueenVee> nightbird: oh, yes, i've even had many conscious out of body experiences -- but that's not what this was, it was a dream about what it is like to die....
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[08:26] <Nightbird> Ok, Queen.. I've never had one of those... do you ever lucid dream?
[08:27] <Nightbird> HI Tex
[08:27] <QueenVee> hi tex
[08:27] <QueenVee> yes, i have had lucid dreams
[08:27] * from_Texas hi all
[08:27] <from_Texas> this is a good morning here
[08:27] <Nightbird> I have them all the time in the truck... seems hard to get into a deep sleep when the truck is moving
[08:28] <joallie> Hi texas
[08:28] <Nightbird> Why is that? Tex?
[08:28] <from_Texas> got hooked up with 2 monitors on the system now.. so i can see more windows at once
[08:28] <Nightbird> Cold and dreary in my part of Tex
[08:29] <from_Texas> same here Nightbird
[08:29] <Nightbird> LOL, OIC
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[08:29] <from_Texas> warm and toasty in the house tho
[08:29] <joallie> sunny and cold in Québec
[08:29] <QueenVee> Guest: please change your nick to something other than Guest, or you will be automatically disconnected
[08:29] <Nightbird> yep.. here too, great sleeping weather
[08:29] <QueenVee> sunny and cold here as well
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[08:29] <QueenVee> was up at 7am with the dog, hunting rabbits in the woods...
[08:30] <woogles> catch many?
[08:30] <QueenVee> cold, but sunny and pretty
[08:30] <Nightbird> get any?
[08:30] <from_Texas> that dog has about got you trained QV
[08:30] <QueenVee> hah, no, but no dog sure tries
[08:30] <Nightbird> what do you use.. a 22?
[08:30] <Nightbird> LOL.. Ok
[08:30] <QueenVee> ha, no, i was not serious; i don't really hunt rabbits
[08:30] <Nightbird> we had hell with a couple cows yesterday
[08:30] <QueenVee> but my new dog is a harrier hound, and there are rabbits in the woods near us here, and he goes tracking them
[08:30] <Nightbird> I wanted to shoot them
[08:31] <Nightbird> have a Bar B Que
[08:31] <from_Texas> joallie where are you from
[08:31] <Nightbird> they weren't our cows, though
[08:31] <QueenVee> yes, i believe that would be cattle rustling...
[08:32] <woogles> well no worries.. you would have been eating the evidence anyway
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[08:32] <from_Texas> cattle rustling is a big deal around these parts QV
[08:33] <QueenVee> hello qu -- what brings you to this room"?
[08:33] <obany> qu = nol
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[08:33] <QueenVee> thanks obany
[08:33] <QueenVee> i thought that was him
[08:33] <obany> just look at the host, so easy to recognize
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[08:34] <joallie> who is nOL?
[08:34] <QueenVee> hello Bill -- what brings you to this room?
[08:34] <obany> qu
[08:34] <Bill> Hello
[08:34] <Bill> I have a question
[08:34] <obany> but a differtent nick ...
[08:34] <joallie> Hi Bill
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[08:34] <QueenVee> bye bill
[08:34] <Nightbird> LOL.. no, Queen these were neighbor's cattle.. he asked for our help in moving them, since we have a couple of ATV's
[08:34] <QueenVee> hehe
[08:35] <joallie> I love working with cattles..
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[08:35] <Nightbird> But one cow was very upset and was charging us on the ATV's
[08:35] <joallie> uops...That's no good...
[08:35] <Nightbird> butting heads with the ATV
[08:36] <QueenVee> what's an atv?
[08:36] <Nightbird> all terrain vehicle
[08:36] <Nightbird> four-wheeler
[08:36] <QueenVee> ah
[08:36] <QueenVee> ouch
[08:36] <Nightbird> she finally went in the pond and stood there and wouldn't come out
[08:37] <QueenVee> smart cow
[08:37] <joallie> so you went mud resstling with the cow?
[08:37] <Nightbird> her calf got cold and came out.. but not the hard-headed mama
[08:37] <QueenVee> ha
[08:37] <Nightbird> no, we finally gave it up
[08:37] <joallie> smart move...
[08:37] <Nightbird> later on she and the calf got out of the fence... the neighbor went over and drove her over with his pickup
[08:38] <joallie> come on..
[08:38] <Nightbird> I guess she smelled where the other cattle had gone
[08:38] <Nightbird> yes..
[08:38] <joallie> ok..
[08:38] <Nightbird> her and the calf walking .. and him following behind in the pickup
[08:39] <joallie> a different kind of parade...
[08:39] <Nightbird> I wish he would keep his cattle togther
[08:39] <Nightbird> LOL.. yep
[08:39] <joallie> ya
[08:39] <Nightbird> instead of different fields
[08:40] <joallie> how many heads does he have?
[08:40] <Nightbird> but he is a good neighbor.. Queen he is one of those wise men that are older than 81
[08:40] <Nightbird> He probably has 45 or 50 head..
[08:40] <joallie> great heard...
[08:40] <from_Texas> obany QueenVee who is NOL
[08:41] <Nightbird> he also raises jacks and jennies.. and all kinds of fowl
[08:41] <obany> he is well anoying ... and dutch ..
[08:41] <Nightbird> he is one of the skeptics
[08:41] <obany> not realy
[08:41] <joallie> ok thank for clearing this out..
[08:41] <obany> but he is anoying
[08:41] <Nightbird> not a skeptic??
[08:41] <joallie> he do not believe?
[08:41] <obany> a dumbass
[08:42] <joallie> ok
[08:42] <obany> not serioue etc
[08:42] <obany> serious
[08:42] <Nightbird> I thought he was.. he seems to irritate Nancy enough
[08:42] <QueenVee> joallie: he's just a lunatic
[08:42] <joallie> their is a lot of those going around these days..
[08:42] <QueenVee> wow, the CBC is interviewing the leader of the Raelians....
[08:42] <Nightbird> I guess he isn't on the same level as Howmo though
[08:42] <woogles> why? it was discredited last week wasn't it?
[08:42] <joallie> what's new with them??
[08:43] <joallie> NIghtb What ??
[08:43] <QueenVee> a condition of the interview is that he be referred to as ÿour holiness Rael...
[08:43] <woogles> Your kidding...
[08:43] <QueenVee> no, i'm not
[08:43] <joallie> come on,
[08:43] <joallie> lol...
[08:43] <woogles> this cbc radio or tv, and if radio 1 or 2
[08:43] <QueenVee> TV
[08:44] <Nightbird> Howmo.. is another skeptic
[08:44] <QueenVee> they're asking about credibility issues...
[08:44] <joallie> ok
[08:44] <joallie> thank nightb
[08:44] <woogles> cbc tv is showing some thing on plants here
[08:45] <QueenVee> HA -- he is now distancing himself from that scientist babe, saying that he hasn't been directly involved in the cloning....
[08:45] <woogles> Well anyway, the raelians did this in the 70s too, or at least so I'm told as I was not alive at the time.
[08:45] <joallie> he is been saying this all along but he started the cloning bussiness..
[08:45] <QueenVee> yes, exactly
[08:46] <QueenVee> LOLOLOLOL!
[08:46] <joallie> lol
[08:46] <QueenVee> he says he doesn't know if the good doctor has actually succeeded in cloning a baby, but if she hasn't, well, it will happen soon....
[08:46] <QueenVee> BIZARRE
[08:46] <woogles> They refused to allow gene testing "in the interest of the child"
[08:47] <QueenVee> yeah, right
[08:47] <joallie> weird story that one...will we ever find out the truth?
[08:47] <QueenVee> joallie: yes, ZT says they haven't cloned anything
[08:47] <Nightbird> Hey you know that person Qu.. that was just booted here?
[08:47] <Nightbird> he went to Earthchanges with a link
[08:47] <joallie> there was talked about removing the baby from the parents for more testing
[08:47] <Nightbird> and it seems to be talking up the PS
[08:47] <woogles> The truth? The rael leader admited to it. This entire thing is millions upon millions of dollars in free advertising for him.
[08:47] <Nightbird> http://members.lycos.nl/webhtml/planet5.html
[08:48] <Nightbird> cloning seems stupid to me
[08:48] <joallie> me too...
[08:48] <joallie> They are playing God and that's not right...
[08:48] <Nightbird> the world is overpopulated now... all we need is another way to make more
[08:49] <joallie> my tought exactly...Feed the hungry one before making more...
[08:49] <QueenVee> you guys should read what ZT says about cloning; they way it's just another form of reproduction, not a big deal
[08:49] <woogles> hmph cloning has its benifets..to an extent. It can lead to incredible health benifets and cures, but we need controls on it.
[08:49] <Nightbird> yes.. I kinda like the regular way...LOL
[08:49] <QueenVee> people made the same kind of dire predictions when they invented in vitro fertilization, and now that's commonplace....
[08:49] <QueenVee> any technology can be misused
[08:49] <joallie> I read it but their is enough population starving already no???
[08:49] <QueenVee> that doesn't make the technology itself WRONG
[08:49] <Mindoid> a cloned person still needs to be gestated for 9 months - it's not going to lead to some giant population explosion
[08:50] <QueenVee> joallie: well, producing more children in an overpopulated world -- by ANY method -- is wrong
[08:50] <Nightbird> Why do it at all?
[08:50] <woogles> We have enough food grown and produced to feed everyone in the world 9 meals a day. Food shortage is not a real issue, the real issue is no one wants to spend the money to get the food where it needsto be.
[08:50] <QueenVee> woogles: excellent point
[08:50] <Nightbird> It seems to me.. we are doing well in making babies the regular way
[08:50] <joallie> i agree
[08:51] <QueenVee> Nightbird: well, if it's the only way for a couple to have a child, what's wrong with it?
[08:51] <joallie> The main problem is that all this food is sometime waisted..
[08:51] <Mindoid> exactly woog
[08:51] <Nightbird> That is unless you want a particular type of baby.. such as the Nazi's
[08:52] <QueenVee> the day you advocate preventing people from having children by the natural method because of overpopulation, is the day i will agree that people should not have babies by cloning because of overpopulation
[08:52] <joallie> we could argues about this subject form eternity...
[08:52] <Nightbird> Queen.. maybe those people should look into adoption... or perhaps karma has dictated that they do not need a baby
[08:52] <joallie> Night b ...I agree..
[08:52] <Nightbird> perhaps they abused the ones they had before
[08:53] <QueenVee> nightbird: maybe people who keep having babies by the natural method should look into adoption
[08:53] <Nightbird> I agree.. Queen
[08:53] <joallie> this is true to QV
[08:53] <joallie> anyway for the time being is a bad timing no?
[08:53] <Nightbird> There are plenty of "brood mare" women around
[08:54] <QueenVee> if you aren't consistent in who you apply the principle to -- then you are really just using a so-called principle to speak against something you don't like
[08:54] <QueenVee> the ONLY issue re cloning is whether they have perfected the method sufficiently, so that they don't produce babies with deformities
[08:54] <Nightbird> I don't agree with people having baby after baby when they cannot take care of them
[08:54] <QueenVee> neither do i, nightbird
[08:55] <joallie> yep...
[08:55] <Nightbird> I was one of those... first kid at 16
[08:55] <Nightbird> I was a kid myself
[08:55] <QueenVee> but it also doesn't seem right that only the well to do should be allowed to have children
[08:55] <joallie> oh...
[08:55] <Nightbird> and ruined more lives than my own... by being an idoit
[08:55] <QueenVee> it gets complicated
[08:55] <Nightbird> idiot, rather
[08:55] <woogles> In my opinion, the biggest problem with cloning is two fold: One, people (ie raels) trying to grow cloens to plant their brains into, gaining quasi-immortality. And two, cloning dead children/friends/pets and pretending they are the original
[08:56] <Nightbird> I agree with you, Woogles... can't clone the soul
[08:56] <joallie> it a two way deal here...Depending on how we look at it...
[08:56] <Mindoid> also with pets and things the clone may look VERY different from the original
[08:57] <Mindoid> because the TOTAL genetic material may be the same, but which genes get EXPRESSED is a whole different story
[08:57] <QueenVee> woogles: don't be silly; the same kind of "what if" scenarios were trotted out 20 years ago over "test tube babies", and none of those scenarios came to be
[08:57] <Nightbird> Something I am wondering
[08:57] * juditness is back.. hello. [been gone for: 53mins 6secs] at 17:59:01
[08:57] <joallie> hi juditness
[08:58] <juditness> hi
[08:58] <QueenVee> juditness is an IRC operator, not a member of this chat group; she just idles in this channel, doesn't participate
[08:58] <Nightbird> If the Rael people.. did manage a clone... what would they do with the soul who incarnated in it.. so they could use this for immortality??
[08:58] <joallie> ok
[08:58] <QueenVee> nightbird: no, of course they can't -- read ZetaTalk
[08:58] <Mindoid> they would suck the soul out with a curly straw
[08:58] <Nightbird> I know.. Queen..
[08:59] <QueenVee> look, a soul does not enter a body until after birth; how the body was created is irrelevant to soul issues
[08:59] <Nightbird> Just pointing out the folly of cloning
[08:59] <joallie> come on it doesn't make any sence...
[08:59] <QueenVee> you have failed to point out any folly
[08:59] <Nightbird> yep.. first breath of life
[08:59] <joallie> yep
[08:59] <QueenVee> it's just a reproductive technique
[08:59] <Nightbird> They think they can clone themselves and re-enter the cloned body, right?
[09:00] <Nightbird> to "live forever"
[09:00] <QueenVee> they THINK that -- doesn't mean they can
[09:00] <QueenVee> they also THINK they've cloned a human being -- and they haven't
[09:00] <Nightbird> how can they do this.. if there is already a soul in this body
[09:00] <QueenVee> Nightbird: THEY CAN'T!
[09:00] <joallie> exactly soul is coming to the bodie not the other way around...If the clone does take life it will have a soul that decided to inhabit that bodies no matter how it was concived
[09:00] <Nightbird> That was my "folly point"
[09:00] <Nightbird> I know, Queen
[09:01] <QueenVee> that's not the folly of cloning -- that's the folly of the raelians
[09:01] <QueenVee> for heaven's sake, read ZT on the subject: http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/h39.htm
[09:01] <Nightbird> cloned or not.. a soul would have to enter or else the baby will be stillborn
[09:01] <QueenVee> if there was some big danger or immorality involved in cloning, don't you think the zetas would tell us that?
[09:02] <Nightbird> sure they would
[09:02] <QueenVee> nightbird: sorry, but zetans indicate not
[09:02] <QueenVee> nightbird: well, read the link i just gave you on what they DO tell us about cloning
[09:02] <joallie> the soul have to leave the earth (die) for it to reincarn anywhere else and this a delay...It is not instetanious..
[09:02] <QueenVee> Cloning, a recent accomplishment of mankind, is nothing more than an artificially induced conception. If one can mix an egg and sperm, creating a fertilized egg, one can insert whole DNA into an egg to produce the same result. This is a simple mechanical maneuver, not a feat, and should not elicit fear. What is the worst that can happen? Another like the other, which God made.
[09:03] <joallie> I agree qv
[09:04] <Nightbird> I read it..
[09:05] <Nightbird> and agree with it
[09:05] <joallie> the only imortatily that this can give is the immortality of the image(body) that could ressemble the original...The soul will be all that different cause one soul one body.
[09:05] <Nightbird> Yep.. Jo..
[09:06] <Nightbird> can't clone a soul
[09:06] <joallie> anyway nobody did prove yet that they succeded...
[09:06] <woogles> "Millions wish for immortality who can't decide what to do on a rainy afternoon."
[09:06] <joallie> that it no cloning can de done of the soul..
[09:06] <QueenVee> joallie: but, as pointed out, that "immortality of the image" in the end will probably be no more than the "immortality of the image" that one achieves when they naturally conceive and give birth to a child who physically resembles you...
[09:06] <Nightbird> LOL thats right Woogles
[09:06] <QueenVee> woogles: great quote, where is it from?
[09:07] <woogles> I've forgotten unfortunately, only the message stuck with me
[09:07] <QueenVee> that's a keeper
[09:07] <QueenVee> the CBC is now reporting on the rapid melting of northern glaciers....
[09:07] <Nightbird> What's funny is they already have immortality
[09:08] <joallie> yes but the child will be only a copied body it will have the same potential as the original but raised differently will give a differnt individual.
[09:08] <Mindoid> and the genes that get expressed are different
[09:08] <QueenVee> nightbird: correct
[09:08] <woogles> ah my mistake, the offical quote is : -Millions long fo immortality who don't know what to do on a rainy Sunday afternoon. -Susan Ertz
[09:08] <Mindoid> so even with the same genetic material, you can have a VERY different genetic profile
[09:08] <Nightbird> really, Mindoid?
[09:08] <Mindoid> yes
[09:09] <joallie> i Agree
[09:09] <Nightbird> I thought it would be an exact copy
[09:09] <joallie> nope...
[09:09] <Mindoid> it's not a matter of "agreement" it's just fact.
[09:09] <Nightbird> same predisposition to diseases, etc
[09:09] <Mindoid> we have millions of genes we don't use - basically they're not "turned on"
[09:09] <Nightbird> Phone
[09:09] <Mindoid> which genes get turned on, and when, can vary a great deal
[09:09] <joallie> as far Ias i read yes..
[09:09] <Mindoid> even with the same genetic code
[09:10] <Mindoid> but we won't have successful cloning for a LONG time
[09:10] <Mindoid> until we can figure out how to reverse telomere shortening
[09:10] <joallie> depending of the environment thing can change as they grow up..
[09:10] <Mindoid> which won't be a while
[09:11] <Mindoid> be for a while, rather
[09:11] <woogles> Well even when we are we have another problem... The dna in humans and probably all creatures changes as they age, a certain thing, I think called telemeres does things at certain parts of your life. So basically if you clone a 40 year old your going to have a child with 40 year old genes
[09:11] <QueenVee> mmmm, scientist being interviewed on CBC says that even if governments were to undertake radical anti-global warming measures, it's really too late....
[09:12] <joallie> we won't have to woory about this with Planet X rolling around...
[09:13] <QueenVee> true enough
[09:13] <joallie> yep...
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[09:13] <QueenVee> hello karmie
[09:13] <joallie> hi
[09:13] <woogles> hase zetatalk said anything about the resource issue? At our current rate of consumption studies suggest we will need two earth size planets within 50 years..as of about 5 years ago (i think).  I realise consumption will decrease temporarily once planet x comes, but eventually it will be an issue again I would think
[09:13] <karmie> Queen - good morning
[09:14] <QueenVee> woogles: decrease temporarily??????
[09:14] <QueenVee> 90% of the population will be gone
[09:14] <joallie> what is the theorie for the whales ending up on beaches?
[09:14] <Mindoid> our rate of consumption is a product of the system we live in - through intelligent living, we can reduce our rape of resources dramatically
[09:14] <QueenVee> dunno joallie
[09:14] <woogles> Yeah, we've had worse, there were only 10000 humans at one point and we certainly got out of that one.
[09:14] <QueenVee> woogles: ZT indicates that it will NOT become an issue again
[09:14] <Mindoid> joellie, are you talking about the Army's high-power sonar testing?
[09:14] <QueenVee> woogles: because it will be a different world, an STO world
[09:16] <joallie> no just asking if anyone has an idea why so many whales end up all over the world on beaches a...caould it be because they follow already the new telluric changes of the earth to be?
[09:16] <Mindoid> no, it's because of the US military's high-power sonar tests
[09:16] <QueenVee> joallie: well, in the last ZT session, they said that animals are responding to signals from core emanations that humans can't perceive
[09:16] <Mindoid> yeah, but the whales are an exception
[09:16] <Mindoid> this is simple human interference
[09:17] <joallie> Is it really?
[09:17] <Mindoid> yep
[09:17] <Nightbird> back
[09:17] <Mindoid> lately the military has developed long-range ultra high-power sonar, and has been testing it
[09:17] <Mindoid> teh volume gets to over 250 decibels
[09:17] <Mindoid> which is OUTRAGEOUSLY loud
[09:17] <Mindoid> especially in water
[09:17] <Mindoid> these poor whales get cranial hemmorages
[09:18] <joallie> so it acting on the directional system of marin mammal..
[09:18] <Mindoid> or just are deafened
[09:18] <Mindoid> no, it's just acting on their plain old hearing
[09:18] <woogles> I think humans can percieve them, if we listen. But many of us have shut off the world, we no longer feel it.
[09:18] <Mindoid> i'll go find an article about it..
[09:18] <joallie> that what I mean...French writer here so bare with me..
[09:19] <Nightbird> Whales have been beaching themselves for while... when did this new sonar come out?
[09:19] <Mindoid> couple years ago was the first test
[09:19] <joallie> More in the last couple of year ...
[09:19] <Mindoid> immediately following the first MAJOR test, about 14 months ago, over two dozen whales beached themselves
[09:19] <Mindoid> then after each subsequent test, more have done the same
[09:19] <Mindoid> but the government denies it, of course
[09:19] <QueenVee> interesting, mindoid
[09:19] <Nightbird> yes.. it seems to be more commonplace... but I think something else is causing it, too
[09:20] <joallie> wow...
[09:20] <Mindoid> i mean we're tlaking about REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY loud sounds
[09:20] <woogles> Curious, what use is sch a powerful sonar system?
[09:20] <Mindoid> 250 dB, underwater, is CRAZY
[09:20] <joallie> I tough that being so receptive they would follow the new telluric
[09:20] <Mindoid> woogles, it allows imagine up to 5,000 miles away
[09:20] <Nightbird> then again.. if they admit to testing it 14 months ago... it has probably been around longer than that
[09:21] <Mindoid> imaging*
[09:21] <joallie> why are they using this?
[09:21] <woogles> 250 db is loud in air.. it would kill you if you were near it
[09:21] <Mindoid> it allows imaging up to 5,000 miles away
[09:21] <Mindoid> indeed it would, woogles
[09:21] <Mindoid> it would probably make your blood boil
[09:21] <joallie> and to do what with the reading?
[09:21] <Mindoid> to be able to locate virtually every submarine on the planet
[09:21] <Mindoid> in just a couple pings
[09:22] <Mindoid> from just a couple sources
[09:22] <joallie> come on...Thay are again palying with nature and otehr creature suffer for their action
[09:22] <Mindoid> it's quite a pet project for the defense department
[09:22] <Nightbird> That sure does remind me of what Cayce said... about the Atlanteans and use of vibrations
[09:22] <woogles> heh this is starting to sound like the ad for that movie 'the core'
[09:22] <Mindoid> which is why they've so vehementally denied all this
[09:22] <Mindoid> they don't deny they have the sonar, of course
[09:22] <Mindoid> but they deny it has this effect
[09:22] <Mindoid> which is absurd
[09:23] <joallie> like usual
[09:23] <QueenVee> Mindoid: well, this theory would only work if whales are beaching only in US areas....
[09:23] <Nightbird> Well folks.. hate to leave good company.. but I need to get some housework done
[09:24] <QueenVee> bye nightbird
[09:24] <Nightbird> so will go and see ya later
[09:24] <Nightbird> bye everyone... Love and Light to you, all
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[09:24] <Mindoid> http://www.discover.com/apr_02/featwhales.html
[09:24] <Mindoid> great article on the issue
[09:24] <Mindoid> from a great magazine, too
[09:24] <woogles> sound travels furthur under water, 250 db.. well I have no idea how farthat would go, but I wouldn't be surprised if it covered an entire ocean
[09:24] <Mindoid> that's the idea, woogles
[09:25] <Mindoid> it allows imaging as much as 5,000 miles away
[09:25] <joallie> bye
[09:26] <Mindoid> take care
[09:26] <QueenVee> going, joallie?
[09:26] <joallie> no saying bye ti nightb
[09:26] <joallie> late of course
[09:26] <Mindoid> oh
[09:26] <QueenVee> joallie: if you want to be on our mailing list, for notices about events in this chat room, just give me your email address on a private channel
[09:26] <joallie> that's ok
[09:26] <joallie> yep...sure
[09:27] <joallie> joallie@hotmail.com
[09:28] <QueenVee> thanks joallie!
[09:28] <joallie> My playsure
[09:28] <joallie> french...héhé...
[09:29] <joallie> returning to our conversasion ...the whale around  would be all affected by this sound ??
[09:29] <Mindoid> yup
[09:29] <joallie> what about dolphins why aren't they affected?
[09:29] <Mindoid> i would assume they are
[09:30] <Mindoid> but dolphins don't beach themselves
[09:30] <joallie> but do not wash up on beaches..weird wouldn,T you say?
[09:30] <Mindoid> uhh...
[09:30] <Mindoid> not really
[09:30] <Mindoid> that's not what dolphins do
[09:30] <joallie> and why is this??
[09:30] <Mindoid> they just die in open oceran
[09:30] <Mindoid> ocean*
[09:31] <joallie> oh..
[09:31] <QueenVee> Karmie: are you still there?
[09:31] <karmie> I am still here
[09:31] <QueenVee> karmie: remind me where you live again...
[09:31] <karmie> CA - near yosemite
[09:31] <QueenVee> Mindoid & Woogles: i can't remember where you are either -- please remind me....
[09:32] <Mindoid> new york
[09:32] <woogles> Nova Scotia
[09:32] <QueenVee> OKAY, THANKS
[09:32] <joallie> Is tahi near Yellowstone Park?
[09:32] <Mindoid> ooh, beautiful country in nova scotia
[09:32] <Mindoid> cape breton is the most spectacular place I've ever been
[09:32] <QueenVee> Mindoid & Woogles: I see you're not yet on my mailing list. if you want to be, just give me your email address on a private channel; if you don't.... well, never mind....
[09:32] <joallie> Prince edward Island is not bad either..
[09:32] <Mindoid> no thanks QV, I'd rather keep in touch of my own accord
[09:33] <Mindoid> i'm a fairly private person ;p
[09:33] <from_Texas> joallie where are you?
[09:33] <joallie> Québec
[09:33] <from_Texas> ok thanks
[09:33] <joallie> welcome
[09:33] <Mindoid> ah, québec as well is a lovely place
[09:34] <Mindoid> i spent some time in quebec city and it was wonderful
[09:34] <joallie> Yep...As is nova scotia..
[09:34] <Mindoid> stayed in the Chateau Frontenac, no less!
[09:34] <joallie> Well I love Québec city too...
[09:34] <joallie> Excusssssss Me....It is rather beautiful I agree...
[09:34] <Mindoid> are you a seperatist? :)
[09:35] <QueenVee> lol
[09:35] <joallie> Nope do not believe in all this bull shit( i am not sure I can use those word)...
[09:35] <Mindoid> hehe
[09:35] <joallie> Sorry if I offended someone...
[09:36] <QueenVee> np joallie
[09:36] <QueenVee> no language rules here
[09:36] <joallie> We all belong to the same great place Humanity
[09:36] <joallie> ok
[09:36] <Mindoid> yeah, no fuckin laguage constraint bullshit
[09:36] <Mindoid> ;x
[09:36] <QueenVee> hehe
[09:36] <joallie> lol I heard you loud and clear...
[09:37] <QueenVee> just as long as you're not abusive towards others in the channel
[09:37] <joallie> I would never think about doing something like this I respect human life too much for that
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[09:37] <QueenVee> hello edude
[09:38] <edude> hello queenvee
[09:38] <joallie> Hi edude
[09:39] <joallie> I have a concern to adress to you all...Is anyone has notice lately the time...Or rather the slowing of time is seems I am always restting my clocks...
[09:39] <joallie> resetting..
[09:40] <woogles> oh? I almost never have to.
[09:40] <QueenVee> joallie: well, it's the earth that's slowing -- so you would be noticing your clocks being fast, not slow
[09:40] <joallie> In the last couple of week computer, alram clock...watches...
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[09:40] <woogles> computer and watches could be a battery problem
[09:41] <QueenVee> hello DrGreen
[09:41] <joallie> that what I met...My alarm clock and other always ehead of time show on tV or radio station...
[09:41] <joallie> All of them?
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[09:42] <woogles> Well I don't know, but I mean technically _everyone's_ watch should be out of sync, not just a few people's
[09:42] <Monk> hi
[09:42] <joallie> That is why I am asking
[09:42] <joallie> Hi monk
[09:42] <Monk> time is just an illusion
[09:42] <Mindoid> my timepieces have been just fine
[09:43] <joallie> Ok...That answer my question ...
[09:43] <joallie> I have clock problem here...
[09:43] <Monk> its how you percieve time
[09:44] <joallie> not really I keep on resetting clock and other for a few week now...I guess I am just more alert on this now...
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[09:45] <DRGREEN> well, all the times on my clock seems different from eachother.
[09:45] <DRGREEN> clocks
[09:45] <DRGREEN> seem
[09:45] <DRGREEN> sorry
[09:46] <Mindoid> hehe
[09:46] <QueenVee> well, i have always purposely set mine differently....
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[09:47] <joallie> That's normal but I seems to have a problem in keeping them in sinc with them time radio and TV...I usully have a minute or two advances but time to time I have gone over because I get 5 minutes difference
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[09:49] <Monk> the quickening
[09:50] <joallie> Waht?
[09:50] <joallie> What?
[09:51] <joallie> Monk what do yu mean?
[09:51] <Monk> ever here of terrence mckennna?
[09:51] <DRGREEN> joallie, I think that could very well be the slowing rotation, but it's hard to tell.
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[11:52] <woogles> well at its fastest it will supposedly be going 1/3 the speed of light...
[11:52] <humvee> calc - wait
[11:53] <Buente> 1/3 speed of light?! isnt that a little fast?
[11:53] <humvee> 5 mil mi /hr or 1,350 mi / sec
[11:53] <Buente> mi?
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[11:54] <humvee> no not near that fast till almost here as is accelerating due 2 sun gravity
[11:54] <woogles> yes, it is, thats on ofthe reasons mostastronomers don't like planetx
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[11:54] <Buente> :)
[11:55] <Buente> is it traveling around the sun like us, or more like pluto?
[11:55] <West_coast> more like Halleys comet, maybe
[11:55] <humvee> becus they dont understand the physics - doesnt fit their theorys - zot! - lol
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[11:56] <Buente> i dont get it, do the zetatalk people also believe its related with aliens or not?
[11:56] <woogles> zetatalk is all about aliens
[11:56] <Buente> i know but didnt knew about this subject
[11:57] <woogles> aliens on planet x talking to us through nacy l
[11:57] <West_coast> buente: have you checked out Zetatalk website?
[11:57] <woogles> nancy^
[11:57] <Buente> yes i did, but didnt read it all
[11:57] <West_coast> need to read some more, I think
[11:57] <woogles> of course not, its incredibly long and some of the pages don't really say anything at all.
[11:57] <Buente> just asking, no offence
[11:59] <humvee> zt = the best orginized site on web just click on wat u want 2 know about
[12:00] <Buente> how does zetatalk know the results of the pole shift?
[12:00] <Buente> like the tsunamis or vulcano eruptions
[12:00] <humvee> because zetas were here 4 the last 1
[12:00] <West_coast> buente: pole shift happens over and over
[12:00] <Buente> i knowow
[12:00] <Buente> but this one is pretty critical
[12:01] <West_coast> :)
[12:01] <humvee> r u ready 4 a ride?
[12:01] <Buente> how did those egyptians survive?
[12:01] <Buente> they saw the planet too
[12:01] <humvee> rolled around sand n ps was noy as fierse
[12:02] <humvee> imputer scribe wrote of shift
[12:02] <joallie> absent for a while wiil be back...
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[12:03] <woogles> actually there was this rather wierd period where the egyptians stopped recording things, which is rather preculiar as they were usually very good about writing things down.
[12:04] <humvee> they ran out of ink
[12:05] <humvee> then mosas got lost in desert 40 years
[12:06] <humvee> bumer
[12:07] <woogles> it's pretty hardtoget lost in a desert.. I mean comon you can clearly see the run rise and set each day..voila instant directions
[12:07] <woogles> oi so many typos
[12:07] <woogles> ^hard to get, come on, sun
[12:08] <humvee> sadly not in the volcanic gloom they cudnt even see the stars at nite(yea tho i walk thru the valley o the shaddow o death) that part u know!
[12:09] <humvee> no directions at all had 2 rely on et / god's light in fron 2 guide them
[12:09] <West_coast> C U all later
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[12:09] <humvee> bye
[12:10] <humvee> it all sort of fits together
[12:11] <humvee> my father n law can read the original text translations
[12:12] <humvee> when it is ref annonaki is written dif in old test then meaning devine
[12:12] <humvee> most translations say the lord (read annunaki) or it says the lord my goe
[12:13] <humvee> god
[12:13] <humvee> when u re read it it becomes a bit more clear - but not a biblical scholar myself
[12:14] <woogles> it isn't a history book.
[12:15] <humvee> but notice the 3d inhabitants o px screw with r early history quite a bit - as noted in the bible and many other antient texts
[12:15] <woogles> some of it may be referencing historical events however
[12:15] <humvee> tru - gives wat happened in their eyes @ the time
[12:16] <humvee> i dont think they understood that is was tactical nukes o the px technology that destroyes sodom & gomora
[12:17] <woogles> uh
[12:17] <obaway> the lord = also Nibiru
[12:17] <woogles> I very highly doubt nukes would be devloped on planet x, there is a very good reason for my logic. It is an unignited star.. testing nukes probably isn't the best idea, as that would tend to ignite it
[12:17] <humvee> only that the ash looded like salt when it incinerated and ash coated one on their party who delayed on a rise to look back
[12:18] <humvee> if they developed rocket technology 200,000years ago think about it
[12:18] <humvee> y would they not have nuclear power
[12:19] <woogles> no, I'm not saying they couldn't, Im saying they wouldnt
[12:19] <humvee> they are our peers
[12:19] <humvee>  i think they didnt use it too much on their own planet - hopefully
[12:19] <woogles> they would be quite dead if they had.
[12:20] <woogles> and it would be a full star, not a brown dwarf
[12:20] <humvee> they didnt mind taking all the earth weomen that they found fare - however
[12:20] <woogles> ok there is far too much sophistry in this channel at the moment ;)
[12:21] <humvee> is a big volcanic planet hot inside but small not a dwarf star
[12:21] * juditness is away.. tv + sleep. [mail: judit@geekychick.org] at 21:23:12
[12:21] <humvee> our other sun (nus) is 18x pluto dist away ia a dead star (never lit as too small)
[12:22] <humvee> we r in a binary solar system if u consider both suns
[12:22] <woogles> if you want to get specific, there is no known way life could possibly exist on a brown dwarf, nor could the various claims of water and what not being there ever hold true.  But hey, every time I try to support px I just get more shit thrown at me.
[12:23] <obaway> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z03.htm updated
[12:24] <humvee> no not throwing - hav sort of worked myself 2 understand what is involved with on of the three inhabited planets belonging to our binary solar system
[12:24] <humvee> looking - brb
[12:24] <woogles> 3..  ok, what's the 3rd, assuming earth and planet x are two of them
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[12:27] <joallie> hi again
[12:28] <humvee> mars has still some living undergroun waiting to leave
[12:28] <humvee> brb
[12:28] <woogles> oh, right of course. :|
[12:28] <humvee> (be ritht back) reading above link
[12:28] * obaway brb
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[12:29] <humvee> check out the above link click on april2003
[12:30] <joallie> can u give back link I was off line
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[12:30] <humvee> ok
[12:31] <angling> hi there
[12:31] <humvee> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z03.htm
[12:31] <humvee> .
[12:31] <joallie> thanks
[12:32] <humvee> .
[12:32] <humvee>    l  
[12:35] <angling> umm..is this a forum or a graveyard?
[12:35] <humvee> obany did setveh say anything on analysis progress?
[12:36] <joallie> we all are reading right now...sorry
[12:36] <humvee> hi angling new posting
[12:36] <angling> no need to apoligise
[12:36] <angling> ]
[12:37] <angling> yes im new here
[12:37] <angling> just figured out how to make this insane compuer bring me here
[12:37] <angling> is this for pols shift discussions?
[12:37] <angling> err pole
[12:38] <humvee> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z03.htm  click on this link n page will open
[12:38] <angling> already read all that a few days ago
[12:38] <joallie> that's the pages we are all riding right now...angling
[12:38] <joallie> angling, where are u from...?
[12:38] <angling> im still waiting to see if there will be any imaging
[12:39] <humvee> this chat is for people who mostly believe in the may ps date and r wanting to compare on preparing 4 it
[12:39] <angling> US
[12:39] <joallie> ok...
[12:39] <humvee> all world ppl talk here yes
[12:39] <joallie> as far as I know...
[12:40] <angling> i see. well how many of these discussions are going on besides this one
[12:40] <humvee> angling new images r jus posted and being analysed 4 us will be up soon
[12:40] <angling> online i mean
[12:40] <joallie> I don't know...I also joined today for the 1 time
[12:41] <angling> ahh im having difficulty using the program from the harvard link myself
[12:41] <humvee> there is an #earthchanges  and a  #zetatalk  for those still deciding
[12:41] <angling> im very unused to navigating in the irc stuff
[12:41] <obany> #troubled_times .. #zetatalk is not a real discussion channel but thre is #zetatalk101 for what i know
[12:41] <humvee> but the real meat is here i think if u have read zt site & understand the concepts etc
[12:42] <angling> i first read the site 4 years ago and have been keeping abreast of the whats new since then
[12:43] <humvee> u mostly read the www.zetatalk.com/ site which is well layed out - then u can ask q if u r up 2 speed so 2 speak
[12:43] <angling> ok then
[12:43] <humvee> oh u r a pro then we r jus each planing wat 2 do & watching the images
[12:43] <angling> lol
[12:44] <angling> <--no pro here
[12:44] <humvee> really lol with u 2
[12:44] <humvee> making a joke
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[12:44] <woogles> the images are, at best disapoints. if you can't understandthe fits files you probably shouldn't waste your time lookingat the gifs atthis point.
[12:45] <angling> i for 1 do not see anything clearly in any of the images
[12:45] <QueenVee> hello all
[12:45] <angling> hi there
[12:45] <humvee> hi queen
[12:45] <joallie> hi again...
[12:45] <QueenVee> hello angling --the pictures do not show anything clearly yet
[12:45] <woogles> the images could easily have been made in mspaint, so really the fits files arethe meat
[12:46] <QueenVee> angling: whereabouts do you live?
[12:46] <angling> so what do most of you plan to do for drinking water
[12:46] <angling> east coast of the USA
[12:46] <QueenVee> user filters and water distillers
[12:46] <joallie> distillers is for my part the best bet
[12:46] <humvee> in a little while the imaging group will b posting the analysis usually w/ jpeg sumerys to look at (remember px is still about 5 bil miles out from here)
[12:47] <angling> anyone concrete on the water issue? like experiments or trials?
[12:47] <Ogmios> we dont need px pics to see that earth is having strangest weather..everywhere
[12:47] <woogles> the thing is distillers and filters wear out / break / etc
[12:47] <joallie> I try distillation is esay but fuel consuming...
[12:47] <joallie> easy
[12:48] <humvee> ceramic filters r washable like the big berky fm the uk
[12:48] <angling> distilling can be done easily but small volume seems to make it slightly impractical
[12:48] <QueenVee> there are non-electric distillers
[12:48] <angling> yes ive been to some sites cost is about 300 dollars for something decent
[12:48] <Ogmios> the greenhouse affect doesnt explain why we have so damn cold now..even in china
[12:48] <woogles> well ifyou know how to make a fire, you can solve alot of the water problem
[12:48] <humvee> gravity flow types r best for family use w/ no electric
[12:48] <angling> hmm fire )
[12:49] <Hbat> its winter:)
[12:49] <angling> wet and rotting wood will only last so long
[12:49] <joallie> exactly...
[12:49] <humvee> ceramic then charcoal
[12:49] <Ogmios> we have this cold winters maybe few times in century but not this dry as now
[12:50] <angling> anyone in an area that may cease to exist post ps?
[12:50] <QueenVee> not me
[12:50] <humvee> i dont want 2 build fires gives away ur location 2 hungry hords o ppl
[12:50] <Ogmios> extreme dryness is something not familiar in here
[12:50] <joallie> that sure can be a prob
[12:51] <woogles> Uh, I think alot of my city would be partly submerged. my house is 167 ft above water, and the water is only supposed to rise 50 ft here (according to zt) so I'm not sure
[12:51] <joallie> omigos where are u?
[12:51] <Ogmios> finland
[12:51] <woogles> humvee: good idea! lure them to your fire, trap them and eat them! brilliant (j/k)
[12:51] <joallie> itis been a wierd winter here too in québec...
[12:51] <humvee> water will rise 675' workd wide i read
[12:52] <humvee> do u mean during the week o ps in finland or 2yrs after Ogmios?
[12:52] <joallie> 675' really?
[12:52] <Ogmios> we have lack of water despite our thousands of lakes!
[12:52] <woogles> yes, but I read over the zetatalk safeplaces for my location, it specifically says that it will be good post shift. That doesn't make it so of course, but if your going to listen to them about one thing you might as well listen for all things
[12:52] <Ogmios> they so shallow
[12:53] <angling> the weather is strange everywhere. Scientists trying to explain it away with el'nino. Anyone read the small news blurb about how scientista thing el'nino is now matured?
[12:53] <joallie> El'nino...sure so easy to get by with this excuse..
[12:54] <humvee> there will b drizzle in most areas can b collected to drink
[12:54] <Ogmios> 2 years after the px..finland is few small islands
[12:54] <QueenVee> woogles: what choice does one have?
[12:54] <angling> yea blame it on the oceans warming in the pacific for some "unknown reason"
[12:54] <humvee> yes lovely mountain tops i want one
[12:54] <joallie> move elsewhere if you can...
[12:55] <QueenVee> el nino, solar flares, global warming.... take your pick
[12:55] <QueenVee> angling: what specific state are you in on the east coast?
[12:55] <angling> hmm..who else he lives in the U.S
[12:55] <angling> here
[12:55] <woogles> queen: Well I'm very much debating whether I should stay in NS, or get the heck out of here and go to alberta or some such.
[12:56] <humvee> i pick fire falling from the sky
[12:56] <QueenVee> woogles: well, if you have the resources to move to Alberta, that would be a very good idea
[12:56] <Hbat> NY here
[12:57] <woogles> move? oh heavens no. I basically have to bike or walk anywhere I want to go, hence my waiting until planet x is a bit more tangible.
[12:57] <humvee> any limits on ppl wanting 2 come 2 alberta for a short holiday / visit?
[12:57] <woogles> I'm going to be stuck living outside until the shift comes if I go anywhere, can't afford housing.
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[12:58] <QueenVee> woogles: then what's the point of debating whether to stay in NS, if you are not able to move from the area....?
[12:58] <joallie> it's my problem to...have to wait to last minute to get the hell out...
[12:58] <woogles> because I can bike or walk to alberta in a week or two. if i can see planet x 7 weeks prior, I'll have to make a decision.
[12:58] <Hbat> max out the credit cards..its your last chance to live like kings
[12:59] <angling> well i for 1 do not. I have been preparing the best i can and plan to do a pick up my stuff and run. I also have a family and 3 children that i have been taking into the backwoods as much as i can. Teaching hunting and fishing and living sparsly.
[12:59] * obany brb
[12:59] <humvee> joallie - lot o ppl report having 2 stay till they can afford 2 move
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[12:59] <QueenVee> but if you do that, you may survive the poleshift itself, but chances are you won't survive the aftertime
[13:00] <joallie> well their is not much I can do about this except learning the best way to survive with what will be left of nature...
[13:00] <humvee> joining a small group that can cooperate re surviving after the shift is an option
[13:00] <angling> where i live is less than 100 miles from the coast and i dont relish the thought of watching a wall of water headed my way
[13:00] <joallie> joining a group is easy when you can find them...
[13:01] <QueenVee> joallie: what a silly statement
[13:01] <QueenVee> why is joining a group easy?
[13:01] <humvee> angling consider the option 2 move inland work n buy some food n things ull need
[13:01] <joallie> but they do not run the street do they and ask everyone to joined them
[13:01] <Hbat> how can the zetas claim the internet will work after the ps?
[13:01] <woogles> they don't?
[13:02] <angling> im not alone humvee
[13:02] <Hbat> ill be back
[13:02] <QueenVee> there will be very few prepared groups around, and they will have limited resources; to plan on "joining a group" is not very realistic
[13:02] <humvee> joallie did not finish - there is a link on QV's site for networking re different areas
[13:02] <angling> if it was just me i would strap on my rifle and my backpack and head for the hills
[13:02] <joallie> exactly my tought...trying to survive and prepare on my own is more the real thing...
[13:03] <woogles> I agree with queen, you should be able to manage on your own, just in case
[13:03] <humvee> i hav talked 2 a few who r probably close 2 u and r very helpful
[13:03] <humvee> www.shift2003.com/
[13:03] <QueenVee> smart people WILL cooperate with each other after the shift, but you can't depend on that is all i'm saying
[13:03] <angling> to whom are you speaking humvee?
[13:04] <humvee> joallie asked re joining / contributing 2 a group re how 2 find 1
[13:04] <angling> ahh
[13:04] <joallie> i am planning to survive...that for sure...how it's going to work...well that's another story...we can expect the unexpected...
[13:04] <angling> im very leery of that option untill i know who im dealing with
[13:05] <QueenVee> best thing is to simply make an effort to at least talk to others in your area who also are aware of the poleshift....
[13:05] <humvee> u hav 2 talk 2 ppl maybe by email 1st then decide
[13:05] <woogles> I think it is important to ask one self a very simple question: Is it worth it for me to survive?
[13:05] <joallie> that's what I did so far the response are very different ...
[13:05] <QueenVee> you don't have to move in with them
[13:05] <angling> if i can find them i will talk to them but is there a resourse for this?
[13:05] <joallie> the answer to me is really clear yes....
[13:06] <humvee> some i m talking 2 r locating near each other several small groups of 5-6
[13:06] <QueenVee> angling: yes, go to www.shift2003.com and click on the NETWORKING WITH OTHERS link
[13:06] <joallie> Not move in but preparing together as a group...
[13:06] <humvee> can do food health shelter coop etc
[13:06] <angling> thank you queen
[13:06] <QueenVee> joallie: exactly
[13:07] <QueenVee> there are varying degrees of "networking"....
[13:07] <angling> its all fine and good to try to prepare but from what i have read on thZT site i dont think any of us will be truly prepared
[13:08] <humvee> exceltnt joallie good luck
[13:08] <joallie> I have learned is the passed year many skillful things that Iwill be able to share with other...That will be my contribution  to the group..
[13:08] <angling> food water and shelter
[13:08] <QueenVee> angling: of course
[13:08] <humvee> we all will b more prepared it is a process not an end goal :angling
[13:08] <joallie> good luck to all of us really...
[13:09] <angling> im more worried about groups that band together for bad than anything else
[13:09] <humvee> true
[13:09] <joallie> I am also worried of this group thing...but we will have to regroup somehow after ps...
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[13:10] <DRGREEN> hello everybody.
[13:10] <joallie> hi dgreen
[13:10] <QueenVee> angling: well, ZT indicates that they will be very poorly organized and will eventually die out; only those able to cooperate with each other will survive in the long run
[13:10] <angling> if it was just people trying to survive and rebuild after such a calamity then all would be fine. But....
[13:11] <joallie> their will be so much devastation thet we will have to lower our food standard and all
[13:11] <angling> point taken Queenvee but faith dosn't feed me. Please forgive my pessimism
[13:12] <QueenVee> when did i suggest faith as an answer?
[13:12] <joallie> humain kind survive before and after...humain kind will again pull tru
[13:12] <angling> "ZT indicates "
[13:12] <humvee> hi drgreen
[13:13] <QueenVee> angling: uh... in case you didn't notice.... this is a chatroom about preparing for the "May2003 Poleshift and Aftertime as predicted by ZetaTalk"....
[13:13] <angling> eheh yes humans are like roaches )
[13:13] <angling> cant kill us all
[13:14] <joallie> well I would not qualified us as such but we are able to adapt more easily than most animal...
[13:14] <angling> queenVee i understand that and thats why im here pleas do not get defensive
[13:15] <QueenVee> angling: the assumption is that if we can rely on ZetaTalk to tell us when the poleshift is going to arrive, we can also rely on it to tell us what poleshift and aftertime conditions will be like?
[13:15] <QueenVee> i'm not getting defensive, i just don't get your line of reasoning
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[13:16] <QueenVee> following your logic, preparing for the poleshift at all is an act of "faith"....
[13:16] <QueenVee> if faith ain't going to feed you, it ain't going to kill you either
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[13:17] <humvee> hi airman
[13:17] <joallie> well said QV
[13:17] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> hello
[13:17] <joallie> hi airman
[13:17] <angling> the effects of the ps and what the aftertime will be like isnt set in stone is what im saying
[13:17] <joallie> angling got a point....
[13:18] <humvee> doent matter most of it will b set in mud and drizzle
[13:18] <joallie> the effects will be quite different from one part of the world to the next no?
[13:18] <QueenVee> angling: well, nothing about this is.... but if you're going to rely on ZetaTalk's prediction of the poleshift, it only makes sense to rely on the rest of it as well
[13:18] <QueenVee> joallie: yes, and zetatalk is very specific about those differences
[13:19] <joallie> yes I read already..
[13:19] <angling> yes they are and i wouldn't be here discussing any of this if i didn't believe it to a good degree
[13:19] <humvee> and yes it is set in stone geoligic history n will b again this time - that is exactly what is meant by that frase which is antient in its origin
[13:19] <QueenVee> i find that people want to pick and choose among the information in zetatalk; and the picking and choosing is no more logical than that they believe what they are comfortable with and what is in line with their current beliefs, and don't believe what is inconvenient to them...
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[13:20] <QueenVee> zetatalk is kind of a take it or leave it proposition
[13:21] <QueenVee> there's no logical argument for believing SOME of it, and not other parts of it
[13:21] <angling> not the impression i was trying to give
[13:22] <joallie> For my part I know, I feel something is coming since eons ago , the time and what was going to happend was unknown until a few years back...The only thing bothering me is how can  we survive and rebuilt all
[13:22] <QueenVee> well, i don't see what other impression one could get from your snide comment that "faith" isn't going to feed you
[13:22] <angling> snide? my goodness!
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[13:24] <joallie> heu...excuse me but what does snide mean???
[13:24] <QueenVee> well, what else is that meant to imply except that those of us who take seriously what ZT tells us about aftertime conditions, are misplacing our "faith"?
[13:24] <QueenVee> and that somehow you know better?
[13:24] <QueenVee> snide = sarcastic
[13:24] <joallie> ok thanks...Qv
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[13:26] <angling> Ok then. disruption was never my intention QV
[13:27] <angling> leave it at that please
[13:27] <QueenVee> Tex: are you still there?
[13:27] <tex-away> yes
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[13:28] <QueenVee> thanks for the info re The Times. i'm at the site now, and can find nothing: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
[13:28] <QueenVee> can you provide me with the title or something?
[13:28] <from_Texas> type pole in the search engine
[13:28] <QueenVee> i did
[13:29] <from_Texas> and it came back holes at pole signal big magnetic flip?
[13:29] <QueenVee> oh, there's something there about a MAGNETIC poleshift....
[13:29] <obany> from ... is there something in that newspaper?
[13:29] <QueenVee> magnetic poleshift is not the same thing as a physical poleshift....
[13:29] <obany> Indeed QueenVee
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[13:30] <from_Texas> i realize that i just wanted to see what the article had to say
[13:31] <from_Texas> since it was brought up in this room i thought i would investigate
[13:32] <QueenVee> okay, i guess i'll be the one to register at the site....
[13:33] <from_Texas> it will cost money
[13:35] <joallie> dell was suppose to send me the article but I am still waiting for it...
[13:35] <woogles> alright i'm off, wahttime do you expect the logs to be up queen?
[13:37] <QueenVee> woogles: actually, they're already up on the zetatalk site, on the following page: http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zetalogs.htm
[13:37] <woogles> oh, excellent.  thanks.
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[13:37] <QueenVee> man, i can't believe it; you can't read that site unless you subscribe....
[13:38] <obany> and woogles, the answers are already on http://www.zetatalk.com/index/z03.htm
[13:38] <joallie> or buy the paper...
[13:38] <from_Texas> i will be back later
[13:38] <joallie> bye texas
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[13:42] <joallie> anybody out there still?
[13:43] <QueenVee> i'm still here
[13:43] <joallie> I was wondering it got so quiet all of a sudden
[13:44] <QueenVee> it happens
[13:44] <QueenVee> conversation tends to ebb and flow
[13:44] <joallie> i see that...
[13:45] <joallie> got a question for u Qv...Do u know Nancy personn