Session Start: Thu Jan 16 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
[00:00] <joyee> where did you see it then phoam
[00:00] <phoam> headlines
[00:00] <walt> light travels at aprox 186,000 miles a sec
[00:00] <phoam> at the bottom on CNN
[00:00] <SnookPoon> I know the US goverment has no illusions of world domination
[00:00] <MattJB> well when we're in a site where we believe 90 % of the world will die in 4 months and nobody knows i think cover ups are quite relevant don't you?\
[00:00] <SnookPoon> Other countries and people would never cooperate
[00:00] <walt> not at all
[00:00] <joyee> certainly
[00:01] <phoam> i'm just wondering how far in miles is 12 lightyears
[00:01] <joyee> I rather die than to be dominated by the US
[00:01] <walt> nobody know? or cares? or believes??
[00:01] <SnookPoon> World competition and monetary or taxing control over citizens....yes
[00:02] <walt> you ever think people just might think ZT and us are crazy?
[00:02] <MattJB> quite possibly
[00:02] <walt> I know the folks in Sci.astro do
[00:02] <walt> they think we are a cult and a joke
[00:02] <MattJB> yeah well they are welcome to their opinion
[00:02] <MattJB> i lose nothing by believing
[00:02] <joyee> I guess they will realise come May 15
[00:03] <walt> maybe
[00:03] <MattJB> you don't sound like u think its going to happen  walt
[00:03] <walt> I ahvent seen enough proof either way
[00:04] <walt> I come here to help people with their preps
[00:04] <joyee> Queen vee always reminds me that this chat site is for serious belivers
[00:04] <walt> and all I see is paranoid talk
[00:04] <walt> read the heading again
[00:04] <MattJB> indeed
[00:05] <walt> "familiar with and SERIUOSLY preapring
[00:06] <MattJB> so how r u preparing?
[00:06] <walt> Im done have been for years
[00:06] <MattJB> ok
[00:06] <MattJB> like i said i know pole shift will happen
[00:07] <MattJB> i'll  be ready for 2003 in case that is the right date
[00:07] <joyee> Yeah So will I
[00:07] <walt> so even you dont know if May is right?
[00:07] <MattJB> i believe it is....but i don't know
[00:07] <phoam> but nancy is so sure that it is the date
[00:07] <joyee> Yes
[00:08] <walt> well I was sure of Y2K also
[00:08] <phoam> if it is not, then she is a liar
[00:08] <joyee> Is anybody certain besides Nancy??
[00:08] <walt> what preps for water are you making?
[00:08] <SnookPoon> no
[00:08] <MattJB> one thing for certain is that nancy believes everything she says
[00:09] <phoam> if i was hearing voices and seeing things, i would believe it
[00:09] <SnookPoon> yes
[00:09] <phoam> just as she does
[00:09] <joyee> Does anyone know how she channels the Zetas
[00:09] <MattJB> but has anyone at sci astro explained the december planet x pics?
[00:09] <phoam> yes
[00:09] <phoam> Vegemite
[00:10] <walt> yep they have
[00:10] <walt> also the 1/10 pics
[00:10] <MattJB> what did they say walt
[00:11] <walt> what preps for drinking water are you making
[00:11] <SnookPoon> OK, I have to admit that the stuff on zeta talk rings true to me....it's jsut like the jewish, muslim, christan religion there are some things that have come true and are true but many things that eed to evidence
[00:11] <MattJB> can hardly call it background noise any more
[00:12] <walt> http://bogeystar.50megs.com/px.html  lots of pop ups on this site
[00:12] <SnookPoon> the 1/10 pics....I don't see anything
[00:12] <SnookPoon> maybe I'm wrong ... I'm no expert
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[00:13] <M> hello room.
[00:13] <SnookPoon> hey
[00:13] <MattJB> looking now walt
[00:14] <walt> again what preps for drinking water are you making
[00:15] <joyee> Whats your analysis matt
[00:15] <M> what are you using walt?
[00:15] <phoam> well.. water.. hmm
[00:15] <walt> I have a Katydyn Expidition filter
[00:16] <phoam> climb a mountain where there's snow
[00:16] <MattJB> i dunno......all boils down to who you believe
[00:16] <M> whats that walt?
[00:16] <MattJB> and both parties have different agendas
[00:16] <walt> http://www.katadyn.com/m/dcv/cms.php
[00:17] <walt> also plan on a charcoal/sand system
[00:17] <phoam> you can't just point to faint spots in space and say it's something to convince people; you need a really large "smoking gun"
[00:17] <MattJB> i plan to buy shit loads of bottled water
[00:17] <joyee> Yeah I guess
[00:17] <MattJB> well the december pics were not a faint spot
[00:17] <MattJB> a bloody great big spot
[00:17] <phoam> yep
[00:17] <walt> http://www.katadyn.net/index.shtml
[00:17] <MattJB> if you take the TT pics as true
[00:18] <phoam> but where is the spot in the new pics?
[00:18] <walt> Matt that will run out
[00:18] <phoam> taking in mind that i didn't see them all due to my 56k heh
[00:18] <MattJB> i know
[00:18] <M> charcole/sand system for what?
[00:18] <MattJB> but i plan to have enough for several months
[00:18] <walt> water
[00:18] <M> ahhh
[00:19] <M> 2 backups u say?
[00:19] <walt> back ups?
[00:19] <M> my plan is 4 55 gal drums
[00:19] <M> open tops
[00:19] <joyee> How many months do you think we should prepare
[00:19] <walt> I have numerous drums to collect the water in
[00:20] <phoam> i think i found that CNN source on the brown dwarf
[00:20] <joyee> where
[00:20] <tied2> http://www.ttp.co.uk/ a link to D/L sky map
[00:20] <phoam> http://science.box.sk/newsread.php?newsid=4030
[00:20] <phoam> or this http://www.eso.org/outreach/press-rel/pr-2003/pr-01-03.html
[00:20] <walt> Im talking about filtering it after it been collected
[00:20] <phoam> the only one that NASA acknowledges
[00:21] <M> yea i got the same thing goin just bulding the thing and collectin info
[00:21] <phoam> 1000 celcius.. hmm
[00:21] <phoam> that's not really hot, is it?
[00:21] <walt> I have a 40x30 blue tarp that will be loosely stretched between 4 up right poles with a spigot in the center
[00:22] <walt> that will drain inot my drums via a water hose
[00:22] <phoam> good idea
[00:22] <walt> thats the back up (more than likely my primary) system if the house survives
[00:22] <phoam> you have a filter right?
[00:22] <walt> yes
[00:23] <walt> take 5 gal buckets
[00:23] <tied2> can a filter remove lead?
[00:23] <phoam> i think like 5 coffee filters stacked can remove a lot
[00:23] <walt> dril hole in bttom of 1st bucket
[00:24] <walt> place screening over hole add sand
[00:24] <walt> do same with 2cd bucket
[00:24] <Bathesphere> Hi, I believe in this scenerio enough that I bought a 40,000 gallon cleaned fuel tank, built a complete living,storage, seeds, food etc. Then buried  it 20 ft underground.. Bathesphere  1 New Member
[00:24] <MattJB> impressive :)
[00:25] <walt> 3rd bucket same except use crushed wood charcoal
[00:25] <phoam> germans are going to mars..
[00:25] <MattJB> not b4 may 15
[00:25] <tied2> how can we make charcoal?
[00:26] <phoam> well they are preparing
[00:26] <phoam> i doubt they believe in the shift
[00:26] <walt> and you will pop to the surface when the sesmic/hydro action starts
[00:26] <phoam> charcoal? just burn stuff
[00:26] <walt> TIED take a 55 gal drum with removable top
[00:26] <M> eh walt im payin attention keep going....
[00:27] <tied2> me too
[00:27] <walt> fill with wood chunks  1inch by 6 approx
[00:27] <tied2> I always listen to Walt
[00:27] <tied2> any kind of wood?
[00:27] <walt> punch a 1 in hole in lid
[00:27] <walt> hardwod is best
[00:28] <tied2> OK
[00:28] <walt> put lid on and start fire around drum and burn until smoke stops coming out of lid
[00:28] <phoam> i wonder what would happen if two black holes collided
[00:29] <walt> Its easier if done in a hole or you have a bigger drum around 55 gal drum
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[00:29] <phoam> cedar
[00:30] <tied2> so you could use a 30 gallon drum and a 55 gallon drum?
[00:30] <walt> once smoke stops coming out put a rock on the hole you want no oxygen to get in the 55 gal drum
[00:30] <walt> or it will burn all you wood
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[00:30] <walt> yes
[00:30] <walt> as long as you can keep a fire going in  it
[00:30] <tied2> right
[00:31] <tied2> will this filter system filter out lead?
[00:31] <walt> The smoke coming out of the lid is flamable
[00:31] <tied2> right
[00:31] <walt> Dont know would have to check
[00:31] <walt> I believe it will
[00:31] <tied2> so carefully not to let the external fire kiss it?
[00:32] <walt> I redirect my smoke to the fire in the bigger drum
[00:32] <tied2> hum
[00:33] <walt> the smoke coming out is under pressure the plume can get 3-4 ft high
[00:33] <walt> lots of smoke
[00:33] <walt> and I mean lots
[00:33] <tied2> wow
[00:34] <walt> pretty when its lit off
[00:34] <tied2> I'm a pyro anyways
[00:34] <walt> Ive been making my own charcoal for yrs now
[00:35] <walt> great to cook ove, little to no smoke at all
[00:35] <walt> I use it in my Tipi
[00:35] <tied2> so filter it twice Thur sand and once Thur charcoal?
[00:35] <tied2> awww
[00:36] <tied2> cause it's all smoked out huh?
[00:36] <walt> yep sand first to remove impurities
[00:36] <walt> yep
[00:36] <tied2> great idea for a stealth fire also he he
[00:36] <walt> them charcoal then boil or run thru bacteriological filter
[00:37] <tied2> boil for 15 min?
[00:37] <walt> I usually boil for 20-30 min
[00:37] <tied2> oh
[00:38] <walt> also have chlorine
[00:38] <walt> the kind for swimming pools
[00:38] <tied2> you like that better than iodine?
[00:39] <walt> i do
[00:40] <walt> also might look into potasium permagenate crystals
[00:40] <tied2> chlorine for pools is in plastic jugs right?
[00:40] <walt> yep brand I have is called SHOCK
[00:40] <tied2> or do they have crystals also?
[00:40] <walt> SHOCK is crystals
[00:41] <tied2> OK
[00:41] <walt> way more concentrated than the clothing bleach
[00:41] <tied2> hum
[00:41] <inkpen> shock and bromine are the best
[00:41] <tied2> so how much do you put in?
[00:42] <walt> PP crystal have many uses
[00:42] <inkpen> for swimming water i mean
[00:42] <walt> from purifying water to a wound wash
[00:42] <walt> TIED you have to work out the formula from the bottle
[00:42] <tied2> OK
[00:43] <walt> 10-20 oz does 10.000 gal of water
[00:43] <walt> comes in a 4 # bottle
[00:43] <tied2> wow
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[00:46] <M> what else walt?
[00:46] <walt> what else what?
[00:47] <walt> get cast iron cookware if possible
[00:47] <walt> you can get it cheap at thrift stores here
[00:48] <M> why?
[00:48] <walt> get a dutch oven with a lip on the lid
[00:48] <walt> what do you plan on cooking over?
[00:49] <walt> wood/charcoal fire?
[00:49] <tied2> a microwave?
[00:49] <tied2> a microwave and 6" pizzas for me   lmao
[00:49] <walt> regular pots are to thin they were made to cook over regulated heat
[00:50] <walt> a wood fire heat flucuates
[00:50] <M> ah i get it
[00:50] <M> we use those for camping
[00:50] <walt> and the thick cast iron will help spread the heat
[00:50] <M> just didnt know why
[00:50] <walt> yep
[00:50] <walt> we bake in ours
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[00:51] <walt> bread, bisquits, rolls
[00:52] <walt> http://www.macscouter.com/Cooking/
[00:52] <MattJB> later all
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[00:52] <M> whats that for walt?
[00:53] <walt> Dutch Oven and Camp Cooking http://www.ceedubs.com/
[00:53] <walt> outdoor cooking
[00:53] <walt> its a boy scout site
[00:53] <M> ok
[00:53] <walt> http://www.castirontrader.com/castironcooking/index.htm
[00:55] <walt> so BATH tell me some more about your 20ft underground shelter?
[00:55] <M> yea tht ws most impressive...
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[00:56] <inkpen> HELLO
[00:56] <walt> Hi RNT
[00:56] <rnthomas> Howdy...
[00:57] <rnthomas> Just thought i'd check in and see how things are goin...
[00:57] <M> hey rn inkman...howz it hangin?
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[00:57] <inkpen> 178 emails destroyed...arg
[00:57] <inkpen> HELLO
[00:58] <M> virus
[00:58] <M> ?
[00:58] <obany> hello and laters ... :)
[00:58] <inkpen> no no... i had 178 in inbox...just destroyed them
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[00:58] <inkpen> HELLO
[00:58] <DarKStaR> hey
[00:58] <M> why?
[00:58] <rnthomas> Sounds like fun...
[00:58] * inkpen shudders
[00:59] <rnthomas> Well, I have a few thousand emails, and if they got erased, my email client would run at WARP SPEED!   But I can see how you're feeling...
[00:59] <M> ever heard of the"iraq_oil" virus?
[00:59] <rnthomas> Nope...
[01:00] <M> my virus scan said i had it...
[01:00] <M> i did a scan...
[01:00] <M> and cant even find it.
[01:01] <M> that damd virus must be very smart.
[01:01] <M> why did you wipe em out inkpen?
[01:02] <obany> will ret ltr
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[01:02] <inkpen> because i get WAY to maney and dont have enough room for important messages
[01:03] <inkpen> l8ter O
[01:03] <M> c ya ob...
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[01:05] <M> i have 55 gal medcin cabinets..
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[01:07] <walt> what
[01:08] <M> im using this idea that i came up with so i dont have to carry all this shit around with me
[01:08] <walt> pre-position it
[01:08] <M> i made a list of basic neccessities put it in drums and yea basically
[01:09] <walt> if its not to far
[01:09] <M> you doin it too
[01:09] <walt> Ive got 25 drums
[01:10] <M> i used too work for an enviromental so.
[01:10] <walt> Im not going anywhere
[01:10] <M> i can gain access to drums
[01:10] <M> open top sealed
[01:10] <walt> yep
[01:11] <walt> I also have 55 gal water barrels
[01:11] <M> yea and youd be suprised too find out how much people just throw away the plastic ones
[01:11] <walt> got them from local pepsi distributer
[01:11] <M> free?
[01:12] <walt> around here they cost 5-15$
[01:12] <walt> no I paid 15$ or 2
[01:12] <walt> also get free 5 gal buckets at local bakery
[01:12] <M> i used too drive truck for coca-cola and i know alot of other co. people
[01:12] <walt> frosting buckets
[01:13] <walt> I bought food grade plastic liners for the drums the food went in
[01:14] <M> the thing for me is its hard too bury a 55 gal drum where ever1 is fighting 4 the land
[01:14] <walt> basically hd lastic bags
[01:14] <M> i put seeds in mine
[01:14] <walt> thats a lot of seed
[01:15] <M> walt i told you about those nightstar flashlights?
[01:15] <walt> yep
[01:15] <M> thats going in each drum @ least 1 of ech
[01:16] <walt> Im using 6hr emergancy candles
[01:16] <walt> 8hr
[01:16] <M> not full of seeds....just packets of types f seeds
[01:16] <walt> ok
[01:16] <walt> where you at
[01:17] <M> hawaii
[01:17] <walt> ok
[01:17] <walt> Im in Wa
[01:18] <M> yea like i said you cant bury anything out here without somethinkin "what the hell"
[01:19] <M> next thing i know i be drownin  in jail b'cause i tried to prepare
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[01:20] <M> i dont want to leave them out on surface just in case they get washed away
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[01:33] <M> well im out too see yall later
[01:33] <M> g'nite to all an 2 all a g'nite
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[01:42] <obaway> hi walt
[01:42] <walt> Hi
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[01:46] <obany> hi
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[02:10] <Blinks> H.I. hi
[02:11] <Blinks> Does everyone 'actually' believe this?
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[02:16] <obany> sigh
[02:52] <inkpen> m back
[02:53] <inkpen> how goes things in the wee hours of the morn? ( or afternoon depending on where you are :) )
[03:00] <inkpen> well gnite all see you in 8-12 hours :)
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[04:08] <sotos> Hello all
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[04:44] <Mugada> hi all
[04:45] <sotos> hey..
[04:46] <Mugada> whats hapening
[04:46] <sotos> what you mean?
[04:47] <Mugada> any news off any kind, any where
[04:47] <sotos> No news about the photos..
[04:48] <Mugada> have noticed
[04:48] <sotos> I can't see PX at the last photos..
[04:48] <sotos> But that doen't mean its not there..
[04:48] <Mugada> pic from the 10th
[04:50] <Mugada> i'm waiting for clear skys to look with 10 in scope
[04:51] <Mugada> just about midnight,, going to bed
[04:51] <Mugada> bye all
[04:52] <sotos> bye
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[05:07] <sotos> .
[05:07] <obany> hi
[05:08] <sotos> hi Obany :)
[05:08] <sotos> What time is there?
[05:08] <obany> 2:08pm
[05:08] <sotos> here is 3:08pm
[05:10] <sotos> And the whether is sunny today
[05:10] <sotos> But I don't think will be sunny for long
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[05:13] <obany> Northern Greece?
[05:13] <sotos> ?
[05:14] <sotos> You mean how is the whether there?
[05:15] <sotos> 1-8 celcius sunny as well
[05:15] <sotos> that is cold
[05:17] <sotos> When Nancy will apdate news on http://www.zetatalk.com/thub08.htm ??
[05:20] <obany> sotos: if there are updated .. then yes ...
[05:21] <sotos> ok..
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[07:17] <QueenVee> hello hello
[07:25] <Jade4u> Hello :)
[07:26] <QueenVee> how are you today, Jade?
[07:26] <Jade4u> I'm good, how are you?
[07:27] <QueenVee> good, a little irritated at having to answer stupid emails today
[07:27] <QueenVee> but such is life....
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[07:48] <Jade4u> Very cold today...
[07:49] <QueenVee> tell me about it
[07:49] <QueenVee> freezing here
[07:49] <QueenVee> and this WOULD be the morning that the hound decided to go off for a good half hour chasing a rabbit....
[07:50] <QueenVee> leaving me to wait for his return in the shivering cold
[07:50] <QueenVee> i take a flask of hot coffee with me, but it only does so much
[07:50] * Jade4u shivers just thinking about that
[07:51] <Jade4u> :)
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[07:54] <Dsarith> Hi all
[07:54] <Jade4u> Hello
[07:54] <QueenVee> hi Dsarith
[07:54] <QueenVee> we're just discussing the cold
[07:54] <QueenVee> is it cold where you are?
[07:54] <Dsarith> HI QV and Jade
[07:54] <Dsarith> Yes and wendy
[07:54] <Dsarith> Windy
[07:55] <Dsarith> But cold to me is in the 20's
[07:55] <Dsarith> Not like where you are from
[07:56] <QueenVee> well, this used to be normal weather here, but the climate has gotten much milder in the last few years, so now i'm spoiled
[07:57] <Dsarith> I sorry... Keep a pot of hot tea near you today :-), although iced tea is much better to drink
[07:57] <QueenVee> hehe
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[08:58] <QueenVee> hello RN
[08:58] <RNTHOMAS> Mornin...
[09:14] <Dsarith> Hi RN
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[09:17] <sotos> hi all
[09:17] <QueenVee> hello sotos
[09:18] <Dsarith> Hi Sotos
[09:18] <Jade4u> Hello
[09:19] <sotos> Any idea about when Nancy will update the... http://www.zetatalk.com/thub08.htm ?
[09:20] <Jade4u> Soon I'm sure.
[09:21] <QueenVee> nope, dunno
[09:23] <sotos> I think the last images wasn't as clear as the last ones..
[09:24] <QueenVee> yes
[09:25] <Jade4u> Anyone see this http://tom.idealog.info/blog/20030115-1042672292.blog.txt interesting to see the word is getting around.
[09:26] <sotos> QV: That ZT team who communicate with Nancy.. do they live in Earth now??
[09:26] <QueenVee> sotos: no, they are residing near earth
[09:26] <Jade4u> No, they don't.
[09:26] <Jade4u> According to zetatalk.com
[09:26] <sotos> ok
[09:27] <Jade4u> They have some sort of base on the dark side of the moon, if my memory serves me correctly.
[09:27] <sotos> I think those at the back of the moon are STS Zetas
[09:28] <QueenVee> Jade: no, that is not true
[09:28] <QueenVee> no, that's not true either sotos
[09:28] <sotos> ohh
[09:28] <QueenVee> they re annunaki
[09:28] <Jade4u> hmm
[09:29] <QueenVee> they have a communications centre there
[09:30] <Jade4u> They do actually have some sort of Earth home too http://www.zetatalk.com/worlds/w07.htm
[09:30] <QueenVee> here's something i just posted on the shift2003 website: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=151
[09:30] <Jade4u> and Mars.
[09:31] <QueenVee> no, the zetas are not on mars
[09:31] <QueenVee> the annunaki are currently mining a moon of mars, photos
[09:31] <QueenVee> phobos
[09:32] <Jade4u> http://www.zetatalk.com/worlds/w25.htm <--they are on mars
[09:32] <Jade4u> "This is one of our homes at the present time!"
[09:32] <QueenVee> oh, yes, in 4th density
[09:33] <QueenVee> right on both points
[09:45] <Dsarith> Why is the media not reporting the quakes???
[09:45] <Dsarith> Interesting
[09:45] <QueenVee> ya got me, it's really strange
[09:46] <QueenVee> i first read about the quakes at 1am this morning, before going to bed, and have been waiting for them to be reported on.... but nothing....
[09:46] <QueenVee> unless the iraq blast is not a quake?
[09:46] <Dsarith> hmmmm... makes you wonder what is happening
[09:46] <QueenVee> bombs measure on the richter scale as wel
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[09:51] <QueenVee> hello heheh -- what brings you to this room?
[09:52] <heheh> :P
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[09:52] <Dsarith> What a moron
[09:52] <QueenVee> yep
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[09:57] <Dsarith> He sucks
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[09:57] <QueenVee> hehe
[09:57] <QueenVee> not you tex
[09:57] <Dsarith> No not tex
[09:57] <Dsarith> :-)
[09:58] <RNTHOMAS> Notices that alex appears pretty evil, what's the dop on him?
[09:58] <QueenVee> nah, he's just a really mixed up kid
[09:58] <QueenVee> i feel sorry for him
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[09:58] <QueenVee> but still don't want hm in my room
[09:58] <alex2221> don't you think iv'e learned my lesson? at least give me one chance to behave....
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[09:59] * QueenVee sighs
[09:59] <tex-at-work> i'm sure that was aimed at our pal Alex..lol
[09:59] <QueenVee> tex: have a look at what i've posted on the SHIFT2003 site re those earthquakes you told me about last night....
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[10:00] <tex-at-work> ok
[10:00] <assssaff> don't you think iv'e learned my lesson? at least give me one chance....
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[10:00] <assssaff> please
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[10:00] <Jade4u> hmm
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[10:02] <Jade4u> That's him again...
[10:02] * QueenVee sets mode: +b *!*@bzq-199-7.red.bezeqint.net
[10:02] <RNTHOMAS> You might have to ban *!*@159.89.251.* to block him
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[10:02] <Jade4u> just ban red.bezeqint.net
[10:02] <RNTHOMAS> Then you can pull all the other bans off...
[10:02] <QueenVee> okay, give me the command
[10:02] <RNTHOMAS> Or just ban *.reb.bezeqint.net
[10:02] <tex-at-work> http://seismo.ethz.ch/redpuma/redpuma_ami_list.html
[10:03] <tex-at-work> do you ever go to this site QV
[10:03] <RNTHOMAS> ... !ban *!*@*.red.bezeqint.net
[10:03] <tex-at-work> the article is good... thanks
[10:03] <RNTHOMAS> Have to ban the domain
[10:03] <QueenVee> hold on tex
[10:03] <Jade4u> http://www.seismo-watch.com/
[10:03] <QueenVee> !ban *!*@*.red.bezeqint.net
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[10:03] <QueenVee> thanks!
[10:03] * QueenVee sets mode: -b *!Alex2221*@*
[10:04] <RNTHOMAS> It's a multi subnetted domain...
[10:05] <QueenVee> tex: no, i don't; but i will now
[10:05] <RNTHOMAS> If he gets an IP number that is on his DNS he will still be able to get back in...
[10:06] <tex-at-work> there appear to have been several quakes off the oregon coast
[10:06] <RNTHOMAS> If he does, then you'll have to do bans at the class C or B level...
[10:08] * QueenVee sets mode: +o RNTHOMAS
[10:08] <RNTHOMAS> I'm not authed...
[10:08] <RNTHOMAS> Lemme auth...
[10:13] <QueenVee> RN: how do you do a ping?
[10:14] <Jade4u>  do /ping
[10:14] <Jade4u> actually /ping "nick"
[10:15] <QueenVee> okay, thanks
[10:15] <QueenVee> RN: do you have a registered account here?
[10:16] <QueenVee> are you authorized?
[10:16] <Dsarith> How do I get a registered account?
[10:16] <RNTHOMAS> You use /msg Nickserv help and /msg NickServ Register command...
[10:16] <QueenVee> Dsarith: hold on, i'll walk you through the process...
[10:17] <Dsarith> Cool Thanks
[10:17] <QueenVee> don't do it on your own; everybody fucks it up
[10:17] <Dsarith> Ok
[10:17] <QueenVee> then i have to fix it
[10:20] <RNTHOMAS> Now I am authed...
[10:21] <RNTHOMAS> I messed it up the first time...
[10:21] <QueenVee> okay, i'm going to add you as an op.... then i'll attend to you Dsarith
[10:21] <RNTHOMAS> Got the EMAIL address wrong...
[10:21] <Dsarith> Ok thanks QV
[10:21] <QueenVee> yeah, like i said, everybody fucks it up....   ;-)
[10:21] <RNTHOMAS> Had to get Ralf to fix me up...
[10:22] <QueenVee> okay, you're done, RN
[10:22] <RNTHOMAS> Coowel, thanks...
[10:22] <QueenVee> Dsarith: see private message i'm going to send you
[10:22] <Dsarith> Ok
[10:26] <Dsarith>  Dsarith Feb71966 robertg@airmail.net
[10:26] <Dsarith> Missed it
[10:26] <RNTHOMAS> I don't wanna see that lol!
[10:26] <Jade4u> You shouldn't post your password; :)
[10:27] <Dsarith> Hello I know
[10:27] <Dsarith> lol
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[12:27] <tex-at-work> what are your thoughts Ogmios
[12:28] <tex-at-work> hi Raincity
[12:28] <Dsarith> Hi Raincity
[12:30] <Ogmios> could start before february
[12:30] <tex-at-work> very true
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[12:40] <Danvaldan> hi
[12:40] <Dsarith> Hello Danvaldan
[12:41] <Danvaldan> Hiya -
[12:41] <Danvaldan> I dont think we have me t -
[12:41] <Danvaldan> I am in VA, USA
[12:41] <Dsarith> I am from Dallas, TX
[12:41] <tex-at-work> hey Dan
[12:41] <Danvaldan> hi Tex
[12:42] <tex-at-work> kingman you still playing with that flashlight
[12:42] <Dsarith> I think we have at least I have been in the same room :-)
[12:42] <kingman> i took it apart
[12:42] <Danvaldan> what is the outlook for texas for the shift?
[12:42] <tex-at-work> completely apart
[12:42] <kingman> safely apart
[12:43] <tex-at-work> is it a nightstar
[12:43] <Dsarith> Well, I am picking up TEX and we are either heading NM or Colorado ... lol
[12:43] <kingman> made in china /sharper image
[12:43] <Dsarith> Does that say anything to you?
[12:43] <Danvaldan> heh
[12:44] <Danvaldan> yes - something....
[12:44] <Danvaldan> Texas is pretty flat huh...
[12:44] <Dsarith> Well...
[12:44] <Dsarith> If you stand on the OK border, you can look south and see the ocean
[12:44] <tex-at-work> eastern 2/3 is very flat
[12:44] <Dsarith> Thats petty flat
[12:44] <Dsarith> lol
[12:44] <Danvaldan> heh - tahts flat
[12:45] <Danvaldan> I am 1.5hr away from small mountains
[12:45] <kingman> flatsville
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[12:46] <Danvaldan> are you gonna boat to colorado?
[12:46] <Danvaldan> hi Ray
[12:46] <RayC> hi everybody
[12:46] <tex-at-work> hey Ray... it's been awhile since you have been here... good to see you
[12:46] <kingman> cool Ray
[12:46] <RayC> yea I been busy
[12:46] <tex-at-work> so how is your end of Texas
[12:47] <Danvaldan> is this texas chat?
[12:47] <tex-at-work> not usually
[12:47] <kingman> what flavvor chili is best?
[12:47] <RayC> its been cool as in cold. I'm not used to colorodo temps in corpus christi
[12:47] <tex-at-work> HOT
[12:47] <Danvaldan> chili w/beans
[12:48] <tex-at-work> no beans
[12:48] <kingman> no beans
[12:48] <Danvaldan> yes, beans please
[12:48] <tex-at-work> at least not for me
[12:48] <Danvaldan> beans: gotta have beans. Beans are very positive
[12:48] <tex-at-work> ok Dan maybe 3 or 4 in the whole pot
[12:48] <tex-at-work> brb
[12:48] <Danvaldan> ack!
[12:49] <RayC> chili w/beans!!!??? I see your not from Texas. Chilli with Serrano's Beans and a Habenero sauce... OHHH
[12:49] <kingman> any suggestions for good web sits that sell poleshift items
[12:49] <Danvaldan> like bulk food?
[12:49] <Jade4u> Items?
[12:50] <Jade4u> Like t-shirts?
[12:50] <Jade4u> ;)
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[12:50] <Danvaldan> like 'hows your pole' bumperstickers
[12:50] <kingman> bulk food  or power stuff
[12:51] <Jade4u> http://survivalcenter.com/
[12:52] <Danvaldan> someone mentionsd Walton Feeds
[12:53] <RayC> no one sells "pole shift" per se but I've been using cheaperthandirt.com and majorsurplusandsurvival.com for general stuff. Bulk grains I git from whaetmontanna. I aslo use ready reserve and emergency Essentials.
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[12:54] <kingman> thanks Ray
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[12:54] <M> hello room.....
[12:55] <Danvaldan> hiya M
[12:55] <RayC> walton feed is good but whenever ther is a "rush" the get overloaded with orders. Wheat montanna is maybe a few cents more but they own there own farms and if thewy gaurntee delivery you can be sure they have it.
[12:55] <RayC> hi M
[12:56] <Danvaldan> how will you store?
[12:56] <RayC> Mostly I try to find non "Survivalist" sources for my necessary goods as the Survival shops jack up the prices.
[12:56] <kingman> sounds sound
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[12:57] <RayC> Some things are hard to find elsewhere but if you thing out side the box you can often find good deals and make them dollars work hard before you lose em. :)
[12:57] <Danvaldan> hiya rst
[12:57] <RayC> HI rst
[12:57] <rstefdc> hi
[12:58] <Danvaldan> but if you get a load of grain - what do you keep it in?
[12:58] <kingman>  I'mma thingin
[12:58] <rstefdc> vacuum-packed
[12:58] <RayC> Fo instance once I started vacume canning my bulk food I no longer had to by the expensive pre-canned "survival" versions.
[12:59] <rstefdc> do you folk plan to keep some sort of a gun handy during/after poleshift?
[12:59] <kingman> smart ones do
[13:00] <RayC> Grain: 1) only store what you will use. So if you are not going to grind wheat now and learn how to use it don't bother with it.
[13:01] <RayC> grain: 2) wheat is the most talked about. Rice, corn and oatmeal are probably the grains your most familuar with.
[13:02] <Danvaldan> but for any of that you need a 'permanent' location
[13:02] <RayC> grain: 3) beans are the other grain that most people know how to prepare.
[13:03] <RayC> If your going to store a year or more for more than one person a safe location is a must.
[13:04] <RayC> However, ther are some other scenarios for those who want to store, have space but are planning to leave just prior to the shift.
[13:05] <rstefdc> sprouting leads to 300% more vitamins in grains and legumes, so it is advisable to consider it
[13:05] <RayC> You could always "aquire" a vehicle that is capable of moving you and your goods to your safe location.
[13:05] <RayC> just prior to leaving
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[13:05] <West_coast> hi all
[13:06] <RayC> You could rent a small storage unit in the safe area you plan on going to and preposition your supplies and materials there.
[13:06] <RayC> hi
[13:06] <Danvaldan> hiya
[13:07] <tex-at-work> hey WC
[13:07] <West_coast> hey tex
[13:07] <RayC> If you have a family member or trusted friend you could move a small trailer onto there property with you supplies in it to await your arrival.
[13:09] <RayC> if you need to "aquire" a vehicle here are some suggestions. Trucks are not your only option, Buses will work and are designed to transport heavy cargos as well.
[13:10] <Danvaldan> yeah - but chances are roads will be screwed - right?
[13:10] <RayC> You can find them at the various city/county maitenance deports in any city over 80,000 population.
[13:11] <Danvaldan> but then you are trying to deal with GAS as well as FOOD
[13:11] <RayC> roads wont be screwed universally. Many will survive and we are talking of moving BEFORE the shift not during right?
[13:11] <West_coast> a lot of variables, the closer you get to PS
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[13:12] <Dsarith> Hi West_Coast
[13:12] <West_coast> hi Dsarith
[13:13] <Danvaldan> hi creaton
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[13:13] <creaton> hello
[13:13] <M> nick/ M-AWAY
[13:13] <RayC> Danvaldan: If your going to transport yourself to a different location your going to have to deal with all the issues involved.
[13:14] <Danvaldan> brb
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[13:14] <M-AWAY> BRB YALL
[13:14] <M-AWAY> ooppss sorry
[13:14] <tex-at-work> ok M
[13:15] <West_coast> seems like you need two shelters..one small, "bomb-proof" one and one for the aftertime
[13:15] <RayC> no one shelter will do
[13:15] <West_coast> RayC: what are you going to live in post PS?
[13:15] <RayC> after all if it survived the shift it will keep the weather off of you too.
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[13:16] <RayC> my home.
[13:16] <West_coast> what home?
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[13:17] <West_coast> my home is going to be underwater, or flattened by winds or EQ's
[13:18] <RayC> my home, i got 100 acres where I set up my retreat. its been my vaction spot for the last few years. I am being tempted now to sell it and buy a new parcel of land and build my new retreat from the ground up .
[13:18] <RayC> my ex lives in LA...
[13:18] <West_coast> RayC: where in the world are you?
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[13:19] <RayC> one of the reasons for our divorce was here head in the sand approach to living...
[13:19] <RayC> I live in Texas now.
[13:19] <reticuli> hola
[13:19] <West_coast> hola
[13:20] <RayC> hi ya'll
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[13:22] <reticuli> where do ya live in texas ray?
[13:23] <West_coast> RayC: so..I assume your retreat is not in Texas
[13:23] <RayC> Ther is a 250 acre parcel north of mine that is even better situated than mine. It was not available when I bought mine but is now. I am finding that I enjoyed the challenge of preparing more than I enjoe being prepared and getting a raw block of land ready in three months... Kinda intrigues me...Hmmmm.
[13:23] <RayC> I live in Corpus Christi
[13:23] <RayC> On the Coast
[13:23] <reticuli> how much is it going for?
[13:24] <RayC> $250 an acre
[13:24] <reticuli> wow
[13:24] <reticuli> thats cheap
[13:25] <RayC> nothing out there no people, no services, no nothing... jess the way I like IT.
[13:26] <RayC> west coast: where you planning to run?
[13:26] <West_coast> east of the Cascades..west of the Rockies
[13:27] <West_coast> high country
[13:27] <RayC> west coast covers a lot of territory which part you in?
[13:27] <West_coast> Wash State
[13:27] <reticuli> where do you live west?
[13:27] <West_coast> near Bellingham
[13:27] <reticuli> seattle here
[13:28] <RayC> lotta of good people up there you haven't hooked up with anybody?
[13:28] <West_coast> reticuli: where do you intend to go?
[13:28] <reticuli> hmmm, I may die here
[13:28] <reticuli> but if i have my druthers I will go to alberta
[13:28] <reticuli> or east BC
[13:28] <reticuli> rockies
[13:29] <West_coast> reticuli: why would you die there?
[13:29] <RayC> hey if one of you is in bellinham and one in seattle you should pick a meet spot in like Bonner's ferry Idaho.
[13:30] <RayC> At least you'll be with someone else that knows whats going on.
[13:30] <reticuli> in seattle? we'll there are earthquakes, tidal waves, volcanoes, loose clay soil that will liquify, and assuming i survive the shift then I will have to contend with hundreds of miles of concrete (ruined and impassable) and droves of disoriented and hungry humans
[13:31] <RayC> You're not planning on staying in seattle during the shift are you?
[13:31] <West_coast> reticuli: obviously if you stay there, you will die
[13:31] <reticuli> I have no plans
[13:31] <reticuli> right
[13:31] <reticuli> death aint so bad
[13:32] <RayC> how old are you if you don't mind my asking?
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[13:32] <reticuli> 32
[13:32] <reticuli> im more concerned about my wife and child
[13:32] <RayC> 32 thats young, Health problems..?
[13:32] <reticuli> nope
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[13:33] <RayC> why plan on dying you have a wife and child your young and health...
[13:33] <West_coast> good grief! seems like you need to survive to take care of your family
[13:34] <reticuli> i have no plans, at the moment I am in graduate school and I work. I cannot just quit my job and drop out of school based on things that zetas say
[13:34] <reticuli> if I quit my job we will be homeless and hungry
[13:34] <RayC> I'm reaching but it seems as if you have a bad case of what I call the "overwhelms"
[13:34] <reticuli> nah, it aint so bad :)
[13:34] <West_coast> oh...so you are not a believer, as such
[13:35] <reticuli> I guess I am not entirely convinced that this happenning in may... if and when i am i will obviously get out of here
[13:35] <West_coast> ok, that's better
[13:35] <RayC> There is absolutly no reason to quit your job or school based on what anybody but you and your wife says. it is possible to prepare without ruining your current life.
[13:35] <reticuli> I tend not to be a "believer"
[13:36] <West_coast> there aren't too many believers around, I'm finding
[13:36] <reticuli> hmmm, well with work, school, and my commute I work 7 days a week from dawn to sleep so I dont have time as well as not having any money... but I think this forum is a good place to catch up on ideas for survival
[13:37] <reticuli> i should invest in some weapons though anyway, poleshift or not
[13:37] <West_coast> reticuli: have you read much of zetatalk?
[13:38] <reticuli> I have skimmed through the parts that seem relevant
[13:38] <RayC> its not about belief things happen whether we believe in them or not. Its about readiness. If you live in seattle you already have to deal with the possibility of earthquakes, fire, chemical spills and riots. Just doing the commonsence things to prepare yourself for them will help you be prepared for the other things.
[13:39] <West_coast> reticuli: I believe ALL of it is relevant
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[13:39] <RayC> Weapons should not be the first thing you invest in.
[13:39] <reticuli> ok
[13:39] <West_coast> wb M
[13:39] <reticuli> ray, i disagree
[13:39] <M> i cant help to see that reticuli is havein a harsh time
[13:40] <M> 32
[13:40] <reticuli> did u listen to the art bell show when he had open lines and asked people what they would do if the poleshift occured?
[13:40] <M> kids and a family to worry about
[13:40] <RayC> RET: with what?
[13:40] <reticuli> the weapons part
[13:41] <M> i'm with ret....i too have to worry about a family but.....
[13:41] <reticuli> hi M where do you live?
[13:41] <M> hawaii
[13:41] <reticuli> nice, which island?
[13:42] <M> i'm 30 oing to make it 31 on feb 14 and i also have 3 kids and a doubtfull wifey
[13:42] <RayC> there are far to many other things that are necessary to one's survival than "weapons'. If you have the other things then sure buy the weapons. But if you don't your fooling yourself. having weapons won't help and if your alone they won't do much to protect you from other groups who are armed and trained to use them.
[13:43] <reticuli> the more things you have the bigger target you are
[13:43] <reticuli> people will be maurading and looting
[13:43] <reticuli> I live in a dense urban area
[13:44] <M> i'm sure ret is with me when i say "if my kids or any other is lost within the change then just forget the survival part" i'm an STO if you dont mind me sayin
[13:44] <RayC> The more things you DISPLAY the bigger target you are. Safety from coersion is best achived by concealment and invisibilty to the coercers.
[13:44] <West_coast> reticuli: if you check out zetatalk, there won't be any Seattle left
[13:44] <M> oh ret:maui
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[13:44] <reticuli> right, and we will be on foot ray
[13:44] <reticuli> therfore we will need defense
[13:45] <Danvaldan1> hi reticuli
[13:45] <reticuli> I lived on maui for awhile
[13:45] <reticuli> he dan
[13:45] <M> did you like?
[13:45] <reticuli> M, yes, but it was rough, i was young and homeless
[13:45] <reticuli> and white :)
[13:45] <RayC> Honestly, I don't believe that anyone who waits to the last possible moment to leave and does so on foot will make it. Better to die at home in and around an area you know.
[13:45] <M> lol
[13:46] <reticuli> ray, yeah well like I said I may die here
[13:46] <M> to each his own isay...we all make choice we have 2 live with
[13:46] <RayC> Then as long as you know you made that choice and are ok with its ok with me.
[13:47] <West_coast> RayC: what kind of a shelter are you going to build for PS?
[13:47] <reticuli> M, but really people were kind to me... and I was never beaten up, allthough there were monents
[13:47] <RayC> I lived on Maui for awhile and in seattle/tacoma/oly as well.
[13:47] <M> where's oly?
[13:47] <reticuli> olympia. its the capital of washington state
[13:48] <M> yea ret..the cost of livin in hawaii is very costly....ahh didnt know that
[13:48] <M> milk here cost 5 bucks
[13:48] <M> a gal
[13:48] <RayC> I'm using a partially earth bermed structure with steel reinforcement in the roof.
[13:49] <West_coast> is that like a trench with a roof?
[13:49] <RayC> but I've been preparing for years.
[13:50] <reticuli> ray and west... I have been saving $$$ up, so if I need to do some last minute preps I will have a small amount of cash to get outfitted and get out of here
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[13:50] <reticuli> but at the moment I have no 'plans' except that I was told to go to alberta
[13:50] <RayC> no its just like a small house or cabin. Complete with running water a toilet and everything.
[13:50] <West_coast> reticuli: so you are preparing
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[13:51] <M> hey ray...just wonderin wher does your toilet emty out too?
[13:51] <reticuli> ok, i am preparing by saving cash and I have no plans... however I am also prepared and ready to die
[13:51] <West_coast> reticuli: I think there are a couple of people in "network" wanting to go to
[13:51] <West_coast> to Edmonton
[13:51] <reticuli> thats where the zetas told me to go years ago in an event such as this
[13:52] <West_coast> I think raincity is one
[13:52] <reticuli> yeah thats right, he mentioned that
[13:52] <West_coast> who is also from Seattle
[13:52] <reticuli> he's not too far from me
[13:52] <RayC> Ret: if you wait to the last minite demand for supplies will cost them well beyond your means (based on my experience as a working grad student with family :)..) better to invest in the few essentials that can aid your family during hard times (not just PS) now.
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[13:53] <reticuli> yeah, I suppose you are right, I just cant spend my savings on this stuff until I am absolutely convonced its gonna happen
[13:54] <M> well being out here in hawai im betting after the shift i wont have too worry aboutthe gov lookin for any1 out here for awile not to mention wont have to worry too much about looters
[13:55] <reticuli> west... do you have a location scouted out?
[13:55] <West_coast> reticuli: yes, a spot in eastern Wash
[13:56] <reticuli> whereabouts if I may ask?
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[13:56] <West_coast> northeastern
[13:56] <RayC> I'm not saying spend your savings on stuff for the pole shift I'm saying spend it on what you know will happen. Are you earthquake ready? have you and your wife discussed have a 1 or 2 week supply of essentials in the house "just in Case" that's the way to start. if you look at the wort case scenarios and the really big picture you will nevedr begin. Because you'll be "overwhelmed" by the implecations.
[13:56] <reticuli> does zetatalk indicate that east of the cascades will be safe?
[13:57] <West_coast> reticuli: they say as safe as eastern oregon, but stay away from nuke sites
[13:57] <West_coast> eastern Oregon will fare OK, according to zt
[13:58] <West_coast> the mountains over there are OLD PS
[13:58] <reticuli> ray, we usually keep enough food to survive a couple of weeks, and I have large water container and live a mile from an artesian well, in addition to having candles, first aid stuff etc
[13:58] <RayC> hey M, hate to be the one to say it but if history is any indication you might have to watch out for Cannibals( :). )
[13:59] <West_coast> and Pele
[13:59] <M> yea i though of that but
[13:59] <reticuli> I didnt think hawaiians were cannibals?
[13:59] <M> whose to say that i wont be one of them
[13:59] <RayC> Ret then your already ahead of 80% of the people is the tricities.
[13:59] <reticuli> :)
[13:59] <M> they are they ate capt.cook!!!
[13:59] <reticuli> really, lol
[13:59] <M> thats the facts
[14:00] <West_coast> I hope the got indigestion  :)
[14:00] <reticuli> did they cook cook?
[14:00] <reticuli> hehe
[14:00] <RayC> They eat the outsiders first (that white meat...Just like chicken)
[14:00] <M> as cook was triing to leave they hatched his ass down and ate away..
[14:00] <reticuli> cool
[14:01] <M> actually we ,hawaiians,
[14:01] <M> werent a canibal race
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[14:01] <M> they believed that if they ate him they too would become of inhereit his so called god like abilities
[14:02] <M> or not of
[14:02] <reticuli> well thats the definition of cannabalism
[14:02] <West_coast> hi whitebear
[14:02] <reticuli> just look at christian communion
[14:02] <whitebear> hello
[14:02] <M> how you um whitebear.
[14:03] <West_coast> whitebear: where in the world are you?
[14:03] <RayC> Ret you can expand on what you've already done very easily. Might start by contacting your local civil defence, Homeland security team and find out what the designated evacuation routes are (then you'll know 1 primary area to avoid) then you can get some maps and start planning evacuation routes to the interior.
[14:03] <M> speaking of "whitebear' any1 know what color the skin of the polar bear is?
[14:03] <reticuli> ray, I am fammlair with the mountains around here
[14:04] <whitebear> good, in a safe place,Calgary, Alberta
[14:04] <reticuli> just talking bout alberta
[14:04] <reticuli> I heard that the civil defense teams plan on blocking the highways and letting us all die here
[14:05] <whitebear> have you been here before
[14:05] <M> really thats interesting...
[14:05] <reticuli> no, I never have, but years ago I was told by the zetas to go to alberta in the event of a px like event
[14:05] <West_coast> whitebear: some of us have been here before
[14:05] <reticuli> lol
[14:06] <RayC> ret then you will have to leave before they implement there plan or find a way around them. All the mor reason to locate the information about their planned evac route.
[14:06] <reticuli> ray, actually though thats a good idea, I should plan an alternative route besides the common passes
[14:07] <M>       ~~*        .O         O                                                                
[14:07] <West_coast> reticuli: if you have had zeta experience, why do you have doubts?
[14:07] <whitebear> ironic, this is a safe place, but very few people want to open their eyes
[14:07] <RayC> and don't pass up the marine oppotunities. Remember your leaving befor the waves come crashing if you have to "aquire" a boat to avoid the gov so be it.
[14:08] <reticuli> yeah, well I may 'acquire' a few things that way
[14:08] <M> i have a question....if the gov is prepin themselves.....
[14:08] <West_coast> whitebear: seems to be true, everywhere
[14:08] <M> does any1 know if their info is correct?
[14:09] <RayC> The gov has released no info
[14:09] <M> like for ex safe locs. or are they using nancy's site as a info guide?
[14:09] <reticuli> if its true then the govt knows and is hoping we all die off
[14:10] <M> i do know that whats left they are going to try to control right
[14:10] <whitebear> try or will
[14:10] <RayC> most agencies are putting out conflicting reports or not saying anything. Just quoting vague threats that we need your taxe monies and freedoms to prepare for.
[14:10] <reticuli> hehe
[14:11] <obaway> hi hi
[14:11] <M> well jokes on them i aint filing this year ....yea i live on the danger zone!lol
[14:11] * obaway is now known as obany
[14:11] <RayC> hi obany
[14:11] <M> hey ob..
[14:12] <Dsarith> Hey obany
[14:12] <M> my taxes that is...
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[14:12] <West_coast> hi QV
[14:12] <M> make way 4 the queen..
[14:12] <QueenVee> hello hello
[14:12] <QueenVee> hi RayC -- long time no see
[14:12] <RayC> hi queen its been awhile
[14:12] <QueenVee> how goes it?
[14:13] <reticuli> hi queen... do you have that link for that guy who claimed to be involved in civil emergency planning in washington... the tracker
[14:13] <QueenVee> right, Tom Brown Jr
[14:13] <RayC> yea I been running around all over texas florida new and old mexico and such.
[14:13] <QueenVee> no handy.... but i'll tell you how you can find it.....
[14:13] <QueenVee> hold on....
[14:15] <QueenVee> ret: are you subscribed to TT-watch?
[14:15] <QueenVee> here's the posting on TT-watch re the Tom Brown quote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/11194
[14:15] <reticuli> nope, i didnt even know there was such a thing
[14:15] <QueenVee> okay....
[14:15] <QueenVee> so you just want the quote, right?
[14:16] <QueenVee> HERE IT IS:
[14:16] * QueenVee sets mode: +m
[14:16] <QueenVee> "...the state of Washington hired me to come to Seattle one year to
[14:16] <QueenVee> be part of a think tank. And the challenge for that year was to find
[14:16] <QueenVee> ways to evacuate the people of Seattle if there was an atomic bomb
[14:16] <QueenVee> threat.... They were trying to figure out how to get the people
[14:16] <QueenVee> across those bridges off the sound and up over the mountains into
[14:16] <QueenVee> those valleys beyond the mountains where they would be safe from fall-
[14:16] <QueenVee> out. We had three days to sit and think and talk and there were four
[14:16] <QueenVee> or five other men there that were brought from around the country. I
[14:16] <QueenVee> mostly listened. I didn't have a whole lot to say about it.
[14:16] <QueenVee> "But we came up with an evacuation plan. [After the civil defense
[14:16] <QueenVee> people read our evacuation plan] they decided that the people in
[14:16] <QueenVee> Seattle had reached such a state of helplessness that there would be
[14:16] <QueenVee> no point in rescuing them. Their conclusion was -- and there's
[14:16] <QueenVee> official documentation on it even to this very day -- seal the
[14:16] <QueenVee> bridges and leave them there. They wouldn't know what to do when they
[14:16] <QueenVee> got them to safety. So they said, tell everybody to just stay in your
[14:16] <QueenVee> homes. That's the answer, trust us."
[14:16] <QueenVee> END OF QUOTE
[14:16] * QueenVee sets mode: -m
[14:16] <reticuli> thanks queen
[14:17] <West_coast> good grief!
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[14:17] <QueenVee> indeed
[14:17] <Jurian> dont tell me you're surprised?
[14:17] <QueenVee> hello degree -- what brings you to this room?
[14:17] <Jurian> please, don't tell me you actually thought the govt. cared about you all?
[14:17] <M> geez that sucks...
[14:18] <Degree8> I read about the stuff online
[14:18] <Degree8> sounds interesting
[14:18] <reticuli> yeah west? what country do you think you are living in :)
[14:18] <Degree8> so I decided to look into it '
[14:18] <QueenVee> Degree: please note:
[14:18] <QueenVee>  'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[14:18] <Degree8> I am trying to get familiar with it
[14:18] <Degree8> is that allowed? ;/
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[14:18] <Degree8> im reading already ;)
[14:18] <reticuli> the pal
[14:18] <M> lol
[14:18] <QueenVee> the best place to start looking into it is www.zetatalk.com, and www.shift2003.com; in the later, check out the POLESHIFT LINKS section for GENERAL POLESHIFT/PX SITES
[14:18] <Dsarith> HI Pal
[14:19] <Zetapal> Hi ya
[14:19] <Degree8> k, thanks
[14:19] <Danvaldan1> hiya QV
[14:19] <Degree8> ive already read some of the logs on zetatalk
[14:19] <reticuli> so what did you find out degree? about tom brown?
[14:19] <Dsarith> WB QV
[14:19] <QueenVee> come back when you've read the whole site
[14:19] <Zetapal> .   ~~*     .o   O
[14:19] <QueenVee> hi zp
[14:19] <Degree8> tom brown?
[14:19] <Jurian> <Zetapal> .   ~~*     .o   O
[14:19] <M> degree: what do you know?
[14:19] <Jurian> what IS that?? :)
[14:19] <Zetapal> hey queenie
[14:19] <Danvaldan1> hey pal
[14:19] <Degree8> still reading
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[14:20] <Degree8> get off my back i agree with your cause
[14:20] <QueenVee> Degree: this isn't a chatroom for those who have just discovered zetatalk. please go to #earthchanges for that
[14:20] <Degree8> ok thanks
[14:20] <Zetapal> Jurian - thats a representation of an inbound px approaching earth and the moon in front of the sun
[14:20] <QueenVee> bye degree
[14:20] <Jurian> LOL
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[14:21] <QueenVee> Jurian: don't laugh. do you know how many HOURS Zetapal spend creating that?
[14:21] <Jurian> too many ! :p
[14:21] <QueenVee> hehe
[14:21] <QueenVee> well, i like it
[14:21] <Jurian> http://www.boners.com/grub/788628.html
[14:21] <Jurian> LOL!! :)
[14:21] <M>     ~~*                                                                                                                           .O                                                                                                                                                                  O
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[14:22] <Dsarith> WB RNT
[14:22] <QueenVee> hello creaton -- what brings you to this room?
[14:22] <M> is that what it should be now
[14:22] <rnthomas> Yup... Looong lunch... lol!
[14:22] <QueenVee> very clever, M
[14:22] <RayC> I don't know Tom Brown but I was stationed at Bremerton Naval Shipyards and our planning sessions were nothing like that. the first problem we had to deal with was should survivors of a general attack be evacuated because the prevailing wind patterns would deliver fallout to all easter communities.
[14:22] <Zetapal> llol - what else was I gonna do hangin out in the chat room with tied?
[14:22] <creaton> I have been here queen. creeateon
[14:23] <M> zetapal taught me i just embelished
[14:23] <reticuli> hey shipmate
[14:24] <QueenVee> RayC: well, Tom Brown is a very very respected wilderness expert guy, so i doubt he made it up. also, he didn't say that within the context of "isn't the govt horrible", it was more in the context of "that's how incompentent most people will be if they have to survive in the wilderness"....
[14:24] <QueenVee> creaton: hi, can you please use a consistent nickname in this channel, to reduce confusion?
[14:24] <obany> mm this about a magnetic pole shift http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=2297 and well blaming that for the confused birds etc ...       
[14:24] <creaton> ya i lost my nickserv account so i made a new one
[14:24] <creaton> sry bout that
[14:25] <QueenVee> obany: yes, seen that a 100 times now, everybody thinks the article is about a physical poleshift and supports zetatalk....
[14:25] <obany> i know i know but it talks about a magnetic one
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[14:26] <reticuli> speed reader
[14:26] <reticuli> ;)
[14:26] <QueenVee> really
[14:26] <M> what back again...
[14:26] <QueenVee> Degree: look, we asked you nice....
[14:26] <QueenVee> don't be discourteous
[14:27] * QueenVee sighs
[14:27] * QueenVee sets mode: +b *!*@12-240-203-208.client.attbi.com
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[14:27] <M> :-1 whoa lol
[14:27] <creaton> /msg NickServ@Services.FunNet.Org COOKIE creaton 24t9DNKI9a
[14:27] <creaton> sry
[14:27] <creaton> wrong window
[14:27] <Jurian> hehe
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[14:29] <QueenVee> RayC: as a former military guy, what do you think about the US-Iraq situation?
[14:29] <RayC> it suks.. its another no win ball game thats gonna be used as a reason to bring back the draft...
[14:30] <M> i agree
[14:30] <West_coast> maybe the US will gain some oil fields in the process
[14:30] <QueenVee> i hear there's not a lot of support for it from the military guys
[14:30] <RayC> and let us not foret north korea... like anybody relly cares if they get nukes.
[14:30] <QueenVee> WC: well, if they don't, they will have failed in their purpose
[14:30] <West_coast> :)
[14:31] <West_coast> I wonder about the timing of it all
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[14:31] <M> iraq is just the beginning
[14:31] <M> the big trophy is in rusia
[14:32] <M> or part of russia
[14:32] <West_coast> the war is going to divert a lot of attention from other things
[14:32] <QueenVee> it HAS diverted attention from other things....
[14:32] <West_coast> for sure
[14:32] <RayC> Most of my budies still in are truely hating this move its another of those "now you boys don't forget the rules of engagment" wars where you stand around in uniform with an unloaded gun being happy targets for all the instant hero wannabees in the arab world.
[14:33] <West_coast> the Marine Corp has issued an order...no one can leave the service for a year
[14:33] <M> yea an the media in the us aint even reprting on the wars efforts instead they reporting about school pejudice and stuff like hat
[14:33] <QueenVee> think about it: why actually go through with the war when you can drag out the "will we or won't we" melodrama indefinitely, thereby keeping everyone perpetually distracted.....
[14:34] <RayC> it is allowing them to shut down open sat feeds (don't want them nasty Irac's to see what were doing0 to clamping down on any independant media coverage in africa.
[14:34] <reticuli> yeah, thats right, zetatlk did say that there would be no war
[14:35] <Zetapal> yeah, I wonder what the Iraqis will do, if the American military moves into Sadam's presidential palaces - geesh, what a cauldron
[14:35] <West_coast> a lot of "jockeying" behind the scenes, dividing up the "pie", I think
[14:35] <RayC> oh there is a war alright and you and I folks are the ones who are losing it..:(#)
[14:36] <RayC> freedom is just another word now
[14:36] <M> yea and the US already ate their piece and want to take a bite out of ever1 elses
[14:36] <QueenVee> freedom is now double-speak
[14:37] <RayC> its not the US its the one who control the US and all the other STS goverments.
[14:38] <RayC> if the US collapsed right now some of others would just step in to contiue the enslavement of us all.
[14:38] <RayC> Pole Shift Gotta love it :)
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[14:38] <QueenVee> very true RayC
[14:38] <Zetapal> yeah, time to reboot the globe
[14:38] <M> lol
[14:39] <RayC> but the price is high...
[14:39] <M> you know along time ago i wrote a poem on the poleshift let me find it
[14:40] <M> wel not on the poleshift but very close to what is too happen
[14:40] <RayC> fire away M. A poem will go good with my donuts and fortified coffee...
[14:40] <West_coast> fortified?
[14:40] <reticuli> 90 proof
[14:40] <M> hang on rb
[14:40] <RayC> even if the poem is bad I'll like it.
[14:41] * tied2 is back from shoveling snow
[14:41] <West_coast> RayC: I hope that doesn't become a habit  :)
[14:42] <Zetapal>  Hi  Tied2
[14:42] <RayC> oh yea a little half and half a little sugar a little cinnamon and just enough Morgan's spiced rum to be illeagul
[14:42] <tied2> hey ZP
[14:42] <West_coast> :)
[14:42] <tied2> oh wow getting fancy with the colors
[14:42] <reticuli> a navy man till the end
[14:43] <RayC> only on cold days you no the ones below 72 degrees... I do love Texas.
[14:43] <West_coast> my folks are in Marshall
[14:43] <reticuli> my in laws are in san angelo
[14:43] <RayC> hi Tied, thought I throw that in just for you.
[14:44] <tied2> he he thanks
[14:45] <tied2> h i Z P
[14:46] <RayC> Ret: move to San Angelo if you kids are boys they will love you... (some of the prettiest girls and they out number the boys in Texas)
[14:46] <reticuli> yeah ray, I know I married one of em
[14:46] <reticuli> i have a daughter
[14:47] <RayC> she got a sister I'm single now... HeHeHe
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[14:47] <reticuli> lol, yeah actually she does... bad news though, she is dating a guy
[14:48] <RayC> a h well ther'es plenty more!!!
[14:48] <West_coast> ogmios: how is everything in Finlandia?
[14:48] <burberry007> want to have some fun? join #poleshiftdiscussion teens, strictly for teens, strictly for YOU!
[14:49] <burberry007> want to have some fun? join #poleshiftdiscussion teens, strictly for teens, strictly for YOU!
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[14:49] <RayC> Naw I'm over jailbait... I want experience, brains and about size 14-16 maybe 18 you know comfortable...
[14:51] <M> ok im back
[14:52] <M> found it keep in mind that i wrote this for no reason over 10 years ago
[14:52] <RayC> hi Ogmios, guess I should have read the chatlist did not know you were online. What gives with customs at Helsiski first time I ever had a problem at that airport. they start scaping the bottom for there security guys or what..?
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[14:53] <RayC> Don't mean to sound snippy :)
[14:54] <West_coast> will check back later..C U all
[14:54] <RayC> I've got a question for everybody... What brand of shovels do you use and how many handle haaave you broken on it?
[14:54] <reticuli> later
[14:54] <RayC> bye
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[14:55] <RayC> inquiring mind wants to know..
[14:55] <reticuli> i have no idea
[14:58] <RayC> I used to like fiberglass till about 1994 then I had one break and open up my leg like a cheap butcher. I went back to wood but when I put all 300# of me on the stick in our hard Texas clay the inevitable happens. The hardware store guy should not smile and poit to the new handles every time you come in the store..
[14:58] <QueenVee> i've never broken a shovel handle in my life
[14:58] <Jurian> lol
[14:58] <QueenVee> you must be digging some serious holes there, Ray
[14:59] <reticuli> ray, yeah i weigh 150lbs and dont do much digging
[14:59] <Jurian> I've used a metal military surplus one, mostly
[14:59] <Jurian> one of those 'fold-me-up' thingies
[14:59] <Jurian> never had a problem with that
[14:59] <QueenVee> well, i HAVE done a lot of digging -- in my garden that is....
[15:00] <islander> you might consider using a mattick to loosen the soil rather than prying with the shovel
[15:01] <RayC> I've hand dug pit privys, caches, roadways, trenches, drainage ditches and such. I have found that when you are improving raw land the most used tool (other than one's brain) is a shovel.
[15:01] <Jurian> hehe, I spent 15 minutes torturing some ice outside my front door, with an axe, today :p
[15:01] <Jurian> it was SUPER slippery, so I hacked stairs into it :D
[15:01] <RayC> i've used mattocks and picks, and have come to the conclusion that its better to dig once than twice:)
[15:02] <M> stage 1 the birth of a planet (introduction
[15:02] <Jurian> rent a tractor :p
[15:02] <M> stage 2 land or a place for vegitation
[15:02] <RayC> nothing like swingin' a pick in the hot Texas sun to remind you, you ain't 18 anymore..
[15:03] <reticuli> lol
[15:03] <reticuli> how old are ya?
[15:03] <islander> dig at night? its cooler..
[15:03] <M> stage 3 is the beginning of the end because that's the introdution of the planet toman
[15:03] <islander> not many of us are 18 anymore
[15:04] <RayC> well suh.. I claims tuh be over 40 an unda dead... :)
[15:04] <reticuli> what was your rating in the navy?
[15:04] <reticuli> or were you an officer?
[15:05] <M> stage 4 the planet can no longer handle the hassel self cleaning best known by natural dissaster
[15:05] <RayC> Fire control Missles
[15:05] <reticuli> ah
[15:05] <reticuli> sts here
[15:05] <RayC> NCO
[15:05] <reticuli> how long were you in
[15:05] <M> stage 5 a virus to put all man to rest so that they realize how we choke our planet to death
[15:05] <RayC> 7 years
[15:06] <reticuli> oops, I should define sts, its not 'service to self' but 'sonar technician submarines'
[15:06] <M> stage 6 the intrduction to stage one it's where a difernt life has begun
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[15:07] <RayC> oh no a bubblehead.. hehehe
[15:07] <reticuli> fukkin skimmer
[15:07] <reticuli> ;)
[15:07] <RayC> not bad M
[15:07] <JurAFK> goodnight :)
[15:07] <M> now if you were a planet being lived on wouldnt you want others to treat you with passion.protect this planet that you live on because if time should stop
[15:08] <M> THINK OF THIS POEM
[15:08] <RayC> and a Enlisted Surface Warfare Specicalist to boot...
[15:08] <M> thats it
[15:08] <RayC> I like it M
[15:08] <reticuli> M, perhaps the planet is using us in some kind of terraforming process
[15:08] <M> thanks i wrote it along time ago
[15:09] <RayC> goodnight JURA
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[15:09] <RayC> hi mug
[15:09] <Mugada> G'day everybody
[15:10] <reticuli> besides, everyhthing has to die at some time, including the earth.
[15:11] <reticuli> oops, sorry, I didnt mean to critique your poem I thought you comment ' now if you were a planet being lived on wouldnt you want others to treat you with passion.protect this planet that you live on because if time should stop" was NOT part of the poem
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[15:12] <sotos> hi all
[15:13] <reticuli> hi sotos, hi mugada
[15:13] <RayC> for all those who saw red when ret said he was STS... Becareful what you ASSuME.... Hehehe
[15:13] <reticuli> lol
[15:13] <reticuli> mugada... you aint a DR anymore?
[15:14] <RayC> and for those wondering what fire control is.. well our rating badge was desribed as a "barstool with seat belts" by an admirals wife.
[15:15] <RayC> who were we to disagree with royalty..
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[15:18] <QueenVee> Ray: last time you were here you were talking about selling your land....
[15:20] <RayC> i'm leaning toward that very thing.
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[15:20] <QueenVee> where are you thinking of relocating to?
[15:20] <RayC> I'm evaluating my ability to rebuild during the next fewmonths right now.
[15:21] <reticuli> rebuid?
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[15:22] <M> what was that?
[15:22] <QueenVee> don't worry about it
[15:22] <M> ok
[15:22] <reticuli> dont mind the roaches
[15:22] <M> in queen we trust
[15:22] <RayC> I've considered moving to certain areas of new mexico an colorodo that I'm familur with but I think I'm going to buy this piece of property that my heart tells me is perfect (still in Texas)
[15:23] <M> so what did every1 think about the poem?
[15:23] <reticuli> speaking of maui.... there were the most horrible flying cockroaches there
[15:23] <QueenVee> Ray: just make sure it is at a VERY HIGH elevation
[15:23] <reticuli> they would attack me
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[15:24] <RayC> ret: thats the best time to practice your backswing..
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[15:25] <QueenVee> brb, gotta reboot
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[15:25] <yggdrasil> liar
[15:25] <reticuli> lol, it was when I was living in this flophouse... there was this dark stairwell you had to climb to get into that hovel and at night when you were going up the stairs in the dark they would attack. Thiis was in wailuku
[15:25] <reticuli> where r u on maui m?
[15:26] <RayC> the area I'm looking at is over 2000' in elevation at its lowest and the particular parcel i'm considering is 2400' which is 200 feet above the local average and 150' above my current tract.
[15:26] <RayC> its also about 500miles inland.
[15:27] <M> yea these roaches are pretty damd agressive
[15:27] <M> i shoot mine with a pump handle pellet gun
[15:27] <reticuli> i had never before, nor have I since seen roaches that literally attack
[15:28] <M> lol heh heh haha
[15:28] <M> im in kihei
[15:28] <reticuli> its nice there
[15:28] <RayC> ret: rebuild.. well if I buy the new property i'm going to accept the offer on my old property. Which means I'll have all me gear, equipment and supplies but nowhere to put them unless I get a structure built ASAP.
[15:29] <M> pronounced(key-hay)
[15:30] <Zetapal> RayC - for structure/storage have you considered the intermodal shippin container thing?
[15:31] <RayC> i'll use them for packing and moving my stuff (cheapest way rto do it) but want a nice place to live.
[15:32] <Zetapal> ah I see
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[15:33] <RayC> because I have a D2 my new place will be some form og earthen structure. like the cabin but more forthought put into it.
[15:34] <Mugada> Build after the shift
[15:34] <RayC> no before the shift. thats why time is crucial and I need to decide soon
[15:35] <QueenVee> not likely to survive the shift, Ray
[15:35] <RayC> not to mention I don't want to loose this yankee buyer..hehehe
[15:35] <Zetapal> I would put two containers side by side - cut out 8 ft wall sections with an abrasive disk to join the two containers and open up space inside, also cut out windows, then cover the whole thing in papercrete to seal it and insulate it
[15:35] <yggdrasil> http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/01/16/offbeat.penguins.ap/index.html
[15:37] <tied2> I don't have ten grand to spend on housing so I'll be in a tepee
[15:37] <tied2> plus i can move if need be :-)
[15:37] <Zetapal> good point
[15:37] <RayC> i would not build any structure on my retreat unless I was sure it would survive. My current cabin will survive so I thing I'll use a simular method of construction for my new place just without all the screwups I made in the first one.
[15:37] <QueenVee> yggdrasil: wow, the 52nd Penguin Syndrome....
[15:38] <reticuli> mobility will be a plus
[15:38] <yggdrasil> hehe
[15:38] <yggdrasil> i like the part where the biologis says ahh
[15:38] <yggdrasil> ahh id be impressed if they showed the other penguins something thye didnt know how to do
[15:39] <QueenVee> hehe
[15:39] <RayC> Zetapal you are going to need a shitload of abrasive disks to cut that large a section out of a container. You'd be better of renting a cutting torch or firelance.
[15:39] <yggdrasil> or upgrade the ram in thier penguin computers
[15:40] <Zetapal> you think? - wall sections aren't that thick really, and a friend of mine cut the roof off a school bus in a couple of hours
[15:41] <yggdrasil> how much did you pay for a bus?
[15:41] <tied2> you suppose the penguins know there suppose to be swimming  somewhere so they just go in circles?
[15:42] <yggdrasil> lets bid on this
[15:42] <yggdrasil> http://space.com/scienceastronomy/ebay_keck_030114.html
[15:42] <QueenVee> yeah, maybe that's their way of responding to the "Get out of Dodge" signal they're getting from nature....
[15:42] <Zetapal> my friend bought the bus - i don't know, maybe 1500 with an overhauled engine, you know..
[15:42] <RayC> a couple of hours ??? with 4" disks or was he using a professional grade pnumatic cutoff tool with th 12" disk?
[15:42] <tied2> I agree with RayC a torch would be more sensible having used disks before there great for small jobs
[15:43] <Zetapal> nope - he was using a circular saw with abrasive disks attached - like a knife through butter those things
[15:43] <RayC> plus the wall sides are corrucated and that makes them even harder to cut.
[15:43] <tied2> that might not be bad
[15:43] <RayC> corrucated=corrugated
[15:44] <tied2> you need vents to so a torch and some good planning and you could knock it right out
[15:44] <Zetapal> yes they are corrugated which will make it more difficult than not, but only a single layer of steel,1/8' thick I think -
[15:45] <RayC> I've seen som freight containers used in some pretty interesting manners and they are a very flexible box for the ingenious and despart.
[15:46] <reticuli> how much do they run and where do you buy them?
[15:46] <RayC> 1/8 steel is tuff stuff. but most of the containers are only about 16 gauge. the heavy duties are about 12 gauge.
[15:46] <yggdrasil> ill use a dremmel
[15:47] <Zetapal> yes indeed - their flexibility can become a liability acually, they must be placed on a firm flat foundation as they will flex, if the box distorts shape too much, the load doors will jam shut or open
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[15:47] <tied2> IF I went with a freight container I would keep it above ground and pour me some footers with chain in them and a couple feet of slack and weld the chains to the container
[15:47] <QueenVee> hi red
[15:47] <Zetapal> ahh yes Ray - prob thinner than 1/8"
[15:48] <tied2> you have to change the doors they only lock from the out side
[15:48] <red> hi QV
[15:48] <reticuli>  how much do they run and where do you buy them?
[15:48] <RayC> ret you won't have any trouble finding a cheap source for freight containers. look in the phone book your in a major shipping port like me they are always available and ussually for less than 1200.oo bucks in my town.
[15:48] <tied2> wow
[15:48] <tied2> thats pretty cheap
[15:48] <reticuli> cool, well take care poleshifters, im off the clock now, off to school
[15:49] <Zetapal> right...since were talkin about them, make sure you've seen this site RayC - good pics, good ideas:
[15:49] <Zetapal> http://www.cargocontainers.com/
[15:50] <M> how much do these containers cost?
[15:50] <RayC> you will want "refurbished" and "guarenteed not to leak" if in doubt ask any of the Local stores in your area most of them use containers for temporary storage at some time or another.
[15:50] <yggdrasil> darnit
[15:50] <yggdrasil> brb
[15:51] <reticuli> latters
[15:51] <RayC> bye ret
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[15:52] <Zetapal> M - depends on what you get - when I talked to the guys at above link about 3 yrs ago - a 40ft (long) high cube (9'6") was going for about 5000 new, 3000 reconditioned - delivery included
[15:52] <RayC> a couple of locals use them for storage on their ranch one guy uses his for his hunting camp.
[15:53] <RayC> they are relativly cheap used.. 1500-1800.00 USD plus delivery.
[15:53] <Zetapal> yup - lots of uses
[15:53] <QueenVee> i hear you can also rent them by the month
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[15:54] <RayC> i'm talking about normal not Hi-cube..
[15:54] <Zetapal> yeah - if you buy a used one, inspect it first, it might have a bad smell
[15:54] <RayC> Hi-cube cost more, but if your gonna live in it...Hmmm... Loft anyone.
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[15:55] <RayC> yes you can rent them for really cheap. 20-50 bucks
[15:55] <Zetapal> right - extra height useful for lofting or adding framing inside or using a raised floor with storage in the floor
[15:56] <M> well why not rent them right through till june......?
[15:56] <M> uh huh
[15:56] <Zetapal> sure - why not
[15:57] <M> or @ least return end of may maybe....
[15:57] <Zetapal> looters will have a hard time breaking into them I think, with a little prep, certainly when compared to tents
[15:57] <RayC> Zetapal those prices sound good if you don't have a local source and a means to deliver it to your site.
[15:59] <RayC> Yes those containers are tough and you can get high Security locks and latches as well. remember these things are made to ship valuable goods to even the poorest of countries.
[16:00] <QueenVee> be back later. i'm taking a nice, long, hot bath....
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[16:00] <tied2> I wouldn't wanna get locked IN on of those
[16:00] <Zetapal> yeah Ray ... cool thing about those guys though is that they are military supplier so they have all types, i thin even amor plated for some of the 20 footers, plus they do all manner of modifications, doors etc
[16:00] <RayC> I'm leaveing to gotta go get csome chow (chinese, cause I don't feel like cookin').
[16:01] <Zetapal> c ya ray
[16:01] <RayC> sound like a good site i'll check them out.
[16:01] <RayC> bye bye all
[16:01] <M> wellif any1 else leaves in gonn go 2.........
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[16:01] <Zetapal> M is that a promise ?
[16:01] <Zetapal> lol
[16:01] <Zetapal> j/k
[16:02] <M> ob,queen vee, ray c...ahar de har har
[16:02] <M> i smile   :-)   
[16:02] <Mugada> mmmmmmm
[16:03] * obany goes now bye ... take care
[16:03] <M> bye a ob...
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[16:06] <Mugada> does any body know when more PX photos will be posted
[16:07] <yggdrasil> http://space.com/scienceastronomy/ebay_keck_030114.html
[16:07] <yggdrasil> lets goet that and make him look for px
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[16:08] <Mugada> tnks
[16:08] <M> eh walt?
[16:09] <Mugada> I'm going to win that :-)
[16:09] <M> hows it going
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[16:09] <M> mugada:win what?
[16:09] <yggdrasil> http://space.com/scienceastronomy/ebay_keck_030114.html
[16:10] <Mugada> yggdrasil's link
[16:13] <Mugada>  
[16:15] <M> i'll win it and ask questions on px...that aught to put them on the spot.
[16:15] <Mugada> :-)
[16:15] <M> think they'll arrest me?
[16:15] <Mugada> 4 sure
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[16:16] <M> i'll tell them i want the rest in cash eing that i already live in hawaii.
[16:16] <Mugada> ok
[16:17] <M> well im gonna go got bizz to tend to.  see ya
[16:17] <Mugada> take some pics 4 us while u r there
[16:19] <M> i go now
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[16:19] <M>  ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....HA!!!!!!!!!!
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[16:25] <whitebear> hello
[16:25] <RedzZzz> Hey WB
[16:25] <Mugada> going shoping brb
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[16:28] <Mad_Hatter> Greetings QV et all
[16:29] <whitebear> many thanks for giving direction for the answers to my question QueenVee
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[16:57] <Zetapal> wb Queen
[16:57] <QueenVee> :-)
[16:57] <QueenVee> i'm so clean....
[16:57] <Zetapal> ooh baby
[16:57] <Zetapal> squeaky
[16:59] <QueenVee> it's REALLY  weird how the media hasn't reported on the 6.4 quake in iraq, or the 6.0 off the coast of Oregon...
[17:01] <Zetapal> hm yeah, you'd think they would at least mention Iraq because of all the interst
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[17:01] <QueenVee> a bomb explosion can also show up as a quake....
[17:01] <QueenVee> hello humvee
[17:02] <humvee> helloqv
[17:03] <QueenVee> the quakes off oregon and washington state don't bode well....
[17:04] <humvee> im thinking quakes = predicted slip/slide predicted by zt re west coast just prior 2 ps
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[17:04] <QueenVee> humvee: yes, agreed
[17:05] <humvee> whenbeaches will be lost first sign of settling into pacific of land mass
[17:05] <humvee> my favorite beaches lost
[17:06] <yggdrasil> there will be new left
[17:06] <humvee> 4 corners CO
[17:06] <QueenVee> looks like rio de jeneiro has had ANOTHER landslide -- 27 people killed
[17:08] <QueenVee> is anyone other than me suspicious about this announcement that crude oil stores in the US have run "dangerously low"....
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[17:09] <Red> Hey QV, Juditness
[17:09] <juditness> heya Red
[17:09] <QueenVee> hi red
[17:09] <humvee> if we dont use r reservs then we shudnt b low
[17:11] <islander> i thought production had been increased
[17:12] <islander> does a certain strike figure into this?
[17:12] <QueenVee> what do you mean?
[17:13] <islander> have reserves been used to offset not getting supplies from central american countries?
[17:14] <QueenVee> yes, supposedly
[17:14] <islander> at the last opec meeting I thought they had announced an increase in production
[17:14] <QueenVee> i dunno, the timing seems suspicious...;.
[17:15] <yggdrasil> well did you see the cnn.com eadlines?
[17:15] <QueenVee> but, then, i'm in a suspicious mood....
[17:15] <islander> an the price per barrel is dropping?
[17:15] <yggdrasil> mmm sounds like fun qv
[17:15] <islander> hardly matches a shortage situation
[17:16] <QueenVee> ygg: which headline in particular?
[17:16] <yggdrasil> they finaly found something
[17:16] <QueenVee> islander: no, reports say that the price has risen
[17:17] <QueenVee> From CNN: "Reaction was cautious to the discovery in Iraq today of 11 empty chemical warheads. The head of the U.N. team in Baghdad said the find "may not be a smoking gun" that showed a violation of U.N. resolutions"....
[17:17] <yggdrasil> its not a smoking gun u idiots
[17:17] <yggdrasil> they are warhead
[17:17] <yggdrasil> s
[17:18] <yggdrasil> these guys cant tell the difference beetween a smoking gun and a chemical warhead!?
[17:18] <yggdrasil> a smoking gun looks like a gun
[17:18] <yggdrasil> with smoke
[17:20] <islander> just lookin at the seismographs, looks like alaska is waking up again
[17:20] <QueenVee> well, there's been consistent activity there for some time now....
[17:20] <QueenVee> it never really went to sleep...
[17:21] <islander> was flat line, now a lot more constant rumble
[17:21] <islander> different pattern
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[17:23] <QueenVee> hello creaton
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[17:24] <creaton> hello
[17:24] <yggdrasil> dam im bored and hungry
[17:25] <QueenVee> well, go out for dinner and a movie
[17:25] <yggdrasil> ha and broke
[17:25] <yggdrasil> im gonna go to taco bell and watch my hacked tv
[17:26] <yggdrasil> i havent had a drink in like 4 days
[17:26] <yggdrasil> thats prob a record for me
[17:26] <QueenVee> intentional?
[17:26] <yggdrasil> yea
[17:26] <yggdrasil> international too
[17:27] <humvee> lots 2 look @ on the px (rogue planet) sightings page i c - the team has ben busy
[17:27] <QueenVee> oh, i'll have to have a look
[17:28] <humvee> glad 2 see the debunker was looking in the wrong spot
[17:28] <QueenVee> hi HBO, didn't see you there
[17:28] <yggdrasil> i like ratemenude.com
[17:28] <humvee> running out 4 a bit - b b shortly - bye
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[17:29] <yggdrasil> yech a bunch of skinnys today
[17:29] <yggdrasil> yea i gotta go to taco bell i guesse
[17:30] <HBO> hi QV, guess I snuck in
[17:30] <HBO> I see Red is on line, but must be afk
[17:31] <HBO> just having some chili, enjoying about -7 C weather
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[17:34] <dell> hi all
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[17:38] <Red> Hey HBO
[17:39] <HBO> hey Red, welcome home amigo
[17:39] <Red> Thanks.. its nice to have stable ground again
[17:39] <HBO> pc
[17:40] <QueenVee> Red: yeah, but only until May....
[17:41] <Red> lol  yeah I guess no point in getting too used to it
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[17:42] <GuRu> scary
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[17:56] <QueenVee> hello Nick
[17:57] <Nick> hey
[17:57] <Nick> how are things?
[17:59] <QueenVee> good
[17:59] <Nick> i took a look at your site. interesting.
[17:59] <QueenVee> :-)
[18:00] <Nick> you use cold fusion?
[18:00] <QueenVee> cold fusion?
[18:00] <QueenVee> PHP-Nuke
[18:01] <Nick> oh yeah i saw that somewhere
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[18:01] <Nick> ive been looking at many other sites about PX
[18:01] <QueenVee> good
[18:01] <Nick> both good and bad
[18:02] <QueenVee> yep, there are good and bad ones out there
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[18:02] <larakroft2020> hi
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[18:02] <Nick> the thing i see the most is a lack of research in of itself.  most of the skeptics havent even read ZT. and yet they argue...
[18:03] <QueenVee> yes, very true; they are often arguing against things that ZetaTalk does not claim....
[18:03] <Nick> its frustrating to see that ignorance.  but im sure it will all work out.
[18:03] <QueenVee> human nature
[18:03] <Nick> lol
[18:04] <QueenVee> they are not responding rationally and analytically, but emotionally
[18:04] <Nick> btw -- this room got really crazy last night. there were no ops here.
[18:05] <QueenVee> oh dear
[18:05] <QueenVee> well, that's the point at which to call it a night and go to bed
[18:05] <yggdrasil> im sorry
[18:05] <Nick> some of them really came down hard on us faithful ones
[18:05] <yggdrasil> it was all my fault
[18:06] <Nick> lol
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[18:06] <QueenVee> Nick: next time, if you see that the room is down to one op, ask them to give you temporary op status before they leave
[18:06] <QueenVee> ygg: why your fault?
[18:06] <yggdrasil> jk i wasnt even here
[18:06] <yggdrasil> i dont think
[18:06] <Nick> hes jk
[18:07] <Nick> QV: ok. you probly dont trust me enuff to !addop me
[18:07] <yggdrasil> ahhhh
[18:07] <Nick> QV: thats alright though. im busy most of the time
[18:07] * yggdrasil jerks tear
[18:07] <QueenVee> lol
[18:08] <QueenVee> Nick: i neither trust nor distrust you; it's just that you're kinda new here, that's all...
[18:08] <Nick> QV: oh i know.
[18:08] <yggdrasil> i go and get chinese buffet and like load up enough too go food for like 3 days
[18:08] <QueenVee> ygg: don't forget the yggroll
[18:08] <yggdrasil> hasha
[18:08] <yggdrasil> i got 5 of them
[18:09] <QueenVee> i could use some chinese food....
[18:09] <Nick> QV: say...i way thinking when i was looking at the People Networking thing on your site...and maybe you should have a web form instead of a template
[18:09] <yggdrasil> doh
[18:09] <QueenVee> why?
[18:10] <yggdrasil> cuz people are lazy?
[18:10] <Nick> QV: it would be a lot faster, like the Contact Nancy orm
[18:10] <Nick> form*
[18:10] <Nick> ygg:lol
[18:10] <yggdrasil> its tru
[18:10] <QueenVee> not that much faster
[18:10] <Nick> just a suggestion
[18:11] <QueenVee> well, i don't know how to do that, so it's moot
[18:11] <yggdrasil> haha
[18:11] <yggdrasil> nice accent
[18:11] <yggdrasil> moot
[18:11] <Nick> QV: oh, i don't know about php, but in asp its relatively easy
[18:12] <QueenVee> i see
[18:12] <yggdrasil> its even esier in php
[18:12] <Nick> ygg: like i said...
[18:12] <yggdrasil> hmm
[18:12] <yggdrasil> that is how u spell moot
[18:12] <QueenVee> well, i have a system, and it's working for me; i don't really want to be spending time creating something new
[18:13] <West_coast> if it works, don't fix it
[18:13] <QueenVee> exactly
[18:13] <yggdrasil> and if it walks with a shake spank it
[18:13] <Nick> QV: thats commendable.  after 5 years of messing with websites i have learned that having a system is a GOOD THING.
[18:14] <QueenVee> today i finally created a form-letter response for all the people who keep emailing me with their questions for nancy....
[18:14] <yggdrasil> ive leraned that nothing works the way its supposed to
[18:14] <QueenVee> Nick: i've been around the block a few times....
[18:14] <yggdrasil> a walked thru the arroyo once
[18:15] <karmie> lol
[18:15] <Nick> QV: especially not that im redesigning a website for a friend of mine
[18:15] <Nick> *remove not
[18:15] <Nick> *am
[18:15] <Nick> *am* redesigning a website
[18:15] <yggdrasil> uh
[18:15] <yggdrasil> u should have pictures oeverone on your site
[18:15] <yggdrasil> that would be kinda neat
[18:15] <QueenVee> me?
[18:16] <yggdrasil> ya
[18:16] <Nick> ygg: ??
[18:16] <QueenVee> can't be bothered
[18:16] <yggdrasil> that way maybe we could recognize eachother
[18:16] <yggdrasil> afterwards
[18:16] <QueenVee> it's a source of information, not an entertainment centre
[18:16] <yggdrasil> haha
[18:16] <QueenVee> oh, i see what you mean
[18:16] <Nick> ygg: good point, but maybe not nessessarily a good thing...
[18:17] <QueenVee> ygg: so would you volunteer to be the first person to have their picture splashed on my site?
[18:17] <Nick> ygg: it would be a good launching point for attacks againt those who are preparing
[18:17] <yggdrasil> haha
[18:17] <Nick> bbl dinner lol
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[18:18] <QueenVee> there were so many people complaining that there wasn't a place they could network with others in their area; so i set it up; but hardly any of those people have taken advantage of it now....
[18:18] <West_coast> probably going to change, with time
[18:20] <yggdrasil> i like stevie wonder
[18:20] <West_coast> walt: you there?
[18:20] <walt> yep
[18:20] <West_coast> walt: so I looked up camass plant..poisonous!
[18:21] <QueenVee> WC: yes, agreed; it wasn't a complaint....
[18:21] <walt> no its not
[18:21] <yggdrasil> im cold :(
[18:21] <walt> it was the main staple root (bulb)of the nez pierce indians
[18:22] <West_coast> walt: according to the book I looked at it is
[18:22] <walt> get a better book
[18:22] <West_coast> ok
[18:22] <yggdrasil> dont believe everythihgn u read?
[18:23] <West_coast> guess not
[18:23] <yggdrasil> i bet yucca would be good
[18:23] <West_coast> bought a book on mushrooms, too
[18:23] <yggdrasil> now that i been not drinkign ofr a few days i rememberd last nites dream
[18:24] <QueenVee> poleshift related?
[18:24] <walt> thCommon camas Cammassia quamash
[18:24] <yggdrasil> i think so
[18:25] <walt> there is also a death camas which is poisonous
[18:25] <walt> its flowers are white
[18:25] <islander> catch you all later
[18:25] <West_coast> walt: must be the one I was looking at
[18:25] <QueenVee> ha! if you ever had any doubt that "scientists" can be bought by those with a political agenda: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,871320,00.html
[18:25] <QueenVee> by islander
[18:25] <walt> probably was
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[18:26] <West_coast> QV: what is it about?
[18:26] <walt> thats why you only harvest them when they are flowering
[18:26] <yggdrasil> old news
[18:26] <karmie> I just read that camass is poisonious if eaten raw - so they cooked it, I guess.
[18:26] <QueenVee> WC: you'll hve to read it
[18:26] <West_coast> ok
[18:27] <walt> Araw bulbs are palatable
[18:28] <yggdrasil> bbl
[18:28] <yggdrasil> must digest alone
[18:29] <walt> Edible Wild Plants (A north American Field Guide)  isbn 9 780806 974880
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[18:29] <karmie> I went to www.botany.com
[18:30] <walt> and which camas did you look up?
[18:31] <karmie> camassia
[18:32] <walt>  and it said they were piosonous?
[18:32] <karmie> http://www.botany.com/camassia.html
[18:33] <karmie> I will paste: However, all Camass bulbs and plants are poisonous unless cooked.)
[18:33] <West_coast> karmie: thanks for the link
[18:33] <walt> where did it say it was poisonoous?
[18:33] <karmie> np :)
[18:34] <walt> DESCRIPTION: This group consists of hardy, deciduous, spring-flowering bulbs, which are native to the marshes and wet meadows of western North America.
[18:34] <walt> thats all I see on that site?
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[18:34] <West_coast> walt: keep reading
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[18:35] <hysterix> hey everybody
[18:35] <West_coast> hi hysterix
[18:35] <walt> thats all I get
[18:35] <hysterix> Had yet another strange power occurance in l.a.
[18:35] <West_coast> hysterix: how so?
[18:36] <karmie> hi hysterix
[18:37] <walt> there is nothing more to read
[18:37] <hysterix> well, everything was fine, and then the power half-way died out and ran like that for a few seconds, all lights half-way out, all other appliances all the way out, and then everything came back fine... My father has been living in this same house for 20
[18:37] <hysterix> years, and he says he has never ever seen this many power problems all at once
[18:37] <West_coast> I meant at botany.com
[18:38] <hysterix> yes, very strange....
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[18:39] <West_coast> hysterix: brown-out, maybe
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[18:39] <karmie> hysterix - we had brown outs like that last year a few times
[18:40] <walt> WC thats all I get when the pages comes up, nothing about being poisonous
[18:40] <hysterix> yes, well whatever it is, it's been happening pretty regularly
[18:40] <QueenVee> gotta walk the hound, be back later
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[18:40] <karmie> walt - strange that you wouldn't get the whole page
[18:40] <walt> Ive tried 6 times and that all I get
[18:41] <walt> they arent poisonous
[18:41] <West_coast> walt: ok
[18:41] <walt> Ive been eating them for years
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[18:41] <walt> raw and cooked
[18:41] <karmie> walt - send me a private message - will paste the whole thing back to you.
[18:41] <walt> not that great raw
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[18:49] <walt> WC another good book to get Northwest Foraging  Doug Benoliel  ISBN:0-913140-13-9
[18:49] <West_coast> walt: thanks
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[18:50] <West_coast> hi red
[18:51] <Red> Hey West coast
[18:51] <Red> BC maybe?
[18:51] <West_coast> Wash State
[18:52] <West_coast> red: where in the world are you?
[18:52] <Red> Ah... close hehe   I just did a tour of BC, man the weather was great  I am in Alberta
[18:52] <West_coast> cool
[18:52] <Red> -20C and going down :\
[18:52] <Red> really cool my friend
[18:53] <West_coast> some people are thinking about going to Edmonton for PS
[18:53] <Red> what's new in Washington?
[18:54] <Red> I am just south of there...  I'll stay away from the city for a while I think
[18:54] <Red> maybe headt west some... get closer to the mountain streams etc
[18:54] <West_coast> weather anomalies, unusually high tides..the usual stuff :)
[18:55] <Red> yeah   BC was amazingly warm and sunny... even on the island
[18:55] <West_coast> Did you travel Vancouver Is?
[18:56] <Red> yes...  just the lower 2 thirds tho... was on a job that took me there... the ferrie rides were interesting and the windy roads... sheesh I haven't done that for a long time
[18:56] <Red> beautiful area to be sure
[18:57] <West_coast> my folks have a place at Campbell River..used to be great fishing
[18:57] <Red> yeah I'll bet...  not so now?
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[18:57] <West_coast> fish went some place else, I think
[18:58] <Red> where is that....  Campbell River.. I think we were there, its kind of a blurr now... did some 14,000 KMs in 4 weeks... I am a tad road weary
[18:58] <Red> no I think the yanks and canuckleheads tried to catch the last one :\
[18:59] <West_coast> about half way up, east side just past Coquitlam
[19:00] <Red> right... we didn't get that far up... stopper at Comox/Courtney for the boat
[19:00] <West_coast> oops, I meant Coutney
[19:01] <Red> right... its a bit farther North   we have friends on the North tip... that is a great place too  (forget the name tho hehe)
[19:01] <West_coast> red: are you getting ready for PS?
[19:01] <West_coast> Port Hardy, maybe
[19:02] <Red> some...   mostly getting info... survival type stuff and a bit of gear but I am still pretty firmly on the fence...  that picket is starting to annoy some ;)
[19:02] <Red> yes Port Hardy!  great place...
[19:02] <Red> How about you?  making some plans?
[19:03] <West_coast> yes, in the works
[19:03] <Red> good for you... its hard to balance preps for teotwawki and living the day-to-day life
[19:04] <walt> naaa... I been doing it for years
[19:04] <Red> yeah?   you have been following this for some time?
[19:04] <walt> way before this
[19:04] <Red> how so?
[19:05] <walt> this isnt the first ever teotwawki scenario
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[19:06] <Red> no this is true...  but most who have been there before are less inclined to dig in again I find
[19:06] <Red> Hey donna
[19:06] <donna> hi, red
[19:06] <walt> its called experience
[19:07] <donna> red, are u making preparations for 2003 pole shift
[19:07] <West_coast> red: I have run into that, too...Y2K
[19:07] <walt> "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement"
[19:07] <Red> wow... go away for a couple weeks and lots of new names
[19:07] <Red> lol  true indeed walt
[19:08] <Red> donna... some preparations... I am lucky to be in a relatively safer area (alberta) so my priorities are maybe different than some
[19:08] <West_coast> donna: where in the world are you?
[19:08] <donna> is anyone relocating to a safer area?
[19:08] <Red> mostly info gathering... survival stuff and some camping & building gear
[19:09] <donna> west coast i'm in philadelphia,pa  in usa
[19:09] <Red> some talk of coming here... some were and now plan to ride it our where they are...  much indecision and pondering I think
[19:09] <West_coast> donna: the west coast is not the place to be
[19:10] <donna> west coast ,i'm in the east coast of usa
[19:11] <Red> are you preparing donna?
[19:11] <donna> is planet x still coming closer can anyone see it with their telescope
[19:11] <donna> red, i dont have the money to prepare i'm in financial straits
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[19:12] <West_coast> donna: have you spent much time on zetatalk.com?
[19:12] <walt> no body has seen it yet
[19:12] <Red> not that I have heard... the fits pics seem to suggest "something" approaching  but you can't prove it by me
[19:12] <hysterix> hey
[19:12] <hysterix> Sup red, Im relativly new here
[19:12] <JoeyB> Hi folks
[19:13] <Red> financially its hard for most of us to do anything significant
[19:13] <hysterix> so how long have you known about the PS?
[19:13] <Red> hey JB Hysterix hiya
[19:13] <West_coast> zetatalk says to key on earth changes
[19:13] <Red> I am about a year into this   mostly on the sideline I hafta admit
[19:14] <hysterix> cool
[19:14] <JoeyB> I
[19:14] <JoeyB> I
[19:14] <JoeyB> I've been following since 96.
[19:14] <Red> how did you come across this Hysterix?
[19:14] <JoeyB> Sorry. Slippery fingers ;-)
[19:14] <Red> since 96?  wow     hehe no worries
[19:15] <donna> west coast, i find out about zetatalk last year
[19:15] <hysterix> well red, I've always known of a pole shift...I cam across zetatalk about a year and a half ago, came on IRC only about a month ago
[19:15] <JoeyB> Red: ZT mostly gave detail to things I've always sensed might happen.
[19:16] <donna> i knew about a poleshift from nostradamus prophecies but i didnt know when
[19:16] <JoeyB> Red: Always had dreams, heard talk about "earth changes" etc.
[19:16] <Red> that does seem to be a common thread ...   info already suspected or such
[19:16] <JoeyB> I didn't like all the new age flowery talk. ZT does seem to tell it like it is.
[19:17] <JoeyB> But everyone has to make up their own mind.
[19:17] <Red> indeed
[19:18] <JoeyB> Anyone here on the West Coast?
[19:18] <Red> so, after 6+ years JB... what do you see as most important... and what are you doing?
[19:18] <hysterix> yes, I aswell have noticed that.   Most people knew one way or the other of some sort of a poleshift....
[19:18] <Red> Alberta here
[19:18] <West_coast> Wash State
[19:18] <hysterix> JoeyB, I am from los angeles
[19:18] <donna> does anyone know what to do if u cant get out of a trouble spot
[19:18] <JoeyB> I moved from Seattle to Wisconsin in 2000.
[19:18] <hysterix> hey donna, kiss your ass goodbye!
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[19:19] <Red> hang on and do what you can to help those around you I guess
[19:19] <hysterix> hey qv
[19:19] <karmie> wb queen
[19:19] <QueenVee> hey
[19:19] <Red> QV   greetings
[19:19] <JoeyB> Hi Queen!
[19:19] <QueenVee> hello donna -- what brings you to this room?
[19:19] <donna> hi, queenvee
[19:20] <hysterix> so joey, why ask about the west coast
[19:20] <donna> i have been searching for individuals that are making preparations
[19:20] <donna> havent found many people though
[19:20] <QueenVee> what state do you live in?
[19:20] <JoeyB> Red: To answer your Q, I think the most important thing is going to be different for each person.
[19:20] <donna> philadelphia,pa
[19:21] <JoeyB> Red: For me it's about getting the word out to family and friends.
[19:21] <QueenVee> donna: so what are you doing to prepare for the poleshift?
[19:21] <JoeyB> hysterix: Used to live there. Wondering if anyone plans to stay.
[19:22] <donna> i dont have money to prepare. i'm in financial crisis so i am very sad
[19:22] <donna> queenvee
[19:22] <Red> JB   good stuff...    I haven't been sharing the info... not yet, its still too far out there for most and I don't need the beating hehe
[19:22] <QueenVee> donna: no family or friends who live in safer areas?
[19:22] <donna> no, i have a smallfamily
[19:22] <JoeyB> Red: I think a lot depends on how you deliver the message.
[19:23] <hysterix> well joey, I was thinking about leaving, to canada, or just more east.  But I read on zetatalk, that around sanfransico, thier will be livable areas, and you can fish on the coast too...
[19:23] <walt> DONNA start a survival kit
[19:23] <walt> get a 5 gal bucket with a lid
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[19:23] <Valdrix> hi
[19:23] <JoeyB> hysterix: Yes indeed! But you don't want to be there for the shift itself.
[19:23] <walt> you can usually get them for free at the local grocery store
[19:23] <QueenVee> hysterix: yeah, but you still gotta get outta dodge for the poleshift itself, and then find a way back
[19:24] <hysterix> yes, to both qv and joeyb....
[19:24] <donna> i got short wave radio
[19:24] <QueenVee> donna: if you are not preparing yourself, then why are you looking to talk to others who are preparing?
[19:24] <walt> not alot to eat on a short wave : )
[19:24] <hysterix> that I am trying to contemplate now.....
[19:25] <JoeyB> Red: Sounds like you are in a good locale.
[19:25] <Red> so they say... still I expect a bit of a ride
[19:26] <walt> DONNA Do you want help preparing on a budget
[19:26] <JoeyB> Red: Don't we all! :-)
[19:26] <Red> lol
[19:26] <donna> queenvee, i was looking for people who want pull our monet together as a group to get some things
[19:26] <donna> money
[19:26] <hysterix> where's your local again red?
[19:26] <Red> Alberta... near Edmonton
[19:27] <QueenVee> donna: but i thought you said you had no money
[19:27] <Red> many small bits make a big pile
[19:27] <hysterix> oic, thats what I'm talking about man, canada is where I wish I was...
[19:27] <donna> i dont but i will go belly up on my credit cards and file for bankruptcy
[19:28] <donna> queenvee
[19:28] <walt> why?
[19:29] <hysterix> donna, I'm starting a fund
[19:29] <JoeyB> Bankruptcy: Why the elite doesn't want you to know!
[19:29] <hysterix> send all the money to l.a. and I'll find it!
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[19:30] <donna> hi greg
[19:31] <donna> hysterix and others, can the zeta people save us by beaming us up their ships
[19:31] <donna> on their ships
[19:31] <[]GregACNJ> Hi ya!
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[19:31] <QueenVee> donna: no
[19:32] <donna> why do you say no queenvee, swome of us are good people
[19:32] <walt> yes DONNA just like your about ready to be beamed
[19