Session Start: Fri Jan 17 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
[00:00] <walt> when I was in the army we were using 2 gen googles and scopes
[00:00] <humvee> founf a cabin for no down n $72 us / mo 360 pmts
[00:00] <Richard> they spot moths etc?
[00:00] <Richard> per month?
[00:00] <Richard> cool
[00:00] <humvee> shud cost about $ 200 2 own cabin - LOL
[00:01] <Richard> yep ...thats the one
[00:01] <Richard> went 2nd hand store shopping today
[00:01] <humvee> isolated - near wal eye bass lake - hunting  5ac 2bed wood stove
[00:02] <humvee> guess i'll jus hav 2 retire
[00:02] <Richard> hehe
[00:02] <meni> so what are these glowing things flying around near my floor?....aliens brought back by the space shuttle?
[00:03] <Richard> what shape?
[00:04] <meni> i say like a rod, but i really can't tell....more like a comet
[00:04] <meni> something like this would easily be brought back into the atmosphere by the shuttle people...they wouldn't even see them
[00:05] <Richard> you live near any shuttle pads/places?
[00:05] <meni> maybe they can't pass thru the ionosphere naturally....but aboard the shuttle....no sweat
[00:06] <walt> probably a defective google
[00:06] <meni> no....way up in the midwest
[00:06] <humvee> rods r living monitoring devices that fly very fast
[00:06] <Richard> well zetatalk says AIDS virsus came from out there
[00:06] <humvee> nest on pacific island
[00:07] <meni> but if the google is defective, why are they all near the floor?
[00:07] <meni> goggle
[00:07] <Richard> so why not something flying around your room
[00:07] <Richard> good observation meni ~ :+)
[00:08] <humvee> hav 2 reboot - brb
[00:08] <Richard> Headline: "low flying objects found in defective goggles"
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[00:09] <meni> i'm telling you....lol...these things may be harmless....but they scared the crap outta me....i wasn't expecting it
[00:09] <meni> they are just all over the damn floor area
[00:09] <Richard> surreal  :+)
[00:12] <Ogmios> hi
[00:12] <Ogmios> http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=2297
[00:12] <Richard> hi
[00:12] <meni> i'm going to take another look....brb
[00:13] <Richard> reading link brb
[00:16] <Richard> interesting. same incident ... different story
[00:18] <Richard> either way ...there's a pole shift coming !
[00:21] <Ogmios> yea
[00:26] <Richard> Why do the Red Indian call America, Turtle Island ?
[00:27] <Richard> or is that just the Hopi, but question remains the same
[00:27] <Ogmios> didnt know that
[00:28] <Richard> it is spoken off in their prohecies & stories
[00:29] <Ogmios> www.turtleisland.org/
[00:29] <Richard> cool thanks
[00:30] <meni> interesting.....almost none now
[00:31] <meni> it appears they have vacated the area
[00:32] <Richard> meni: I'd ask for my money back :)
[00:32] <meni> lol....oh they seem to work ok....good enough to walk around in pitch black
[00:33] <Richard> they spot the shape of your door from the wall?
[00:33] <meni> probably just dust particles hitting the infrared light
[00:34] <Richard> so are you going to watch the passing with them?
[00:34] <meni> who knows what might show up in the infrared spectrum?
[00:35] <Richard> so they work with infrafed?
[00:35] <Richard> lol
[00:35] <meni> they pick up reflected infrared and ambient light
[00:36] <Richard> yep
[00:36] <meni> i hear the army quit using the true infrared night vision scopes in vietnam because the soldiers were seeing weird things
[00:36] <meni> what, i don't know
[00:37] <Richard> is
[00:38] <walt> MENI we quit using them because we got NVDs and a IR scope can be traced back to its origin
[00:39] <Richard> meni get outta those googles
[00:39] <walt> I never saw any "weird" things when I used either
[00:39] <meni> just a rumor i heard
[00:40] <walt> rumors are like that
[00:40] <Richard> bOy ..HOW is new york?
[00:42] <walt> MENI this might help  http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html  : )
[00:43] <meni> lol....now i never said the rods were trying to control my brain
[00:43] <walt> just in case
[00:43] <meni> and how do i know a tinfoil hat would stop them?
[00:43] <walt> one never knows
[00:43] <walt> remember shiny side out
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[00:45] <meni> walt seems uptight
[00:46] <Richard> :+(
[00:46] <Richard> ;+)
[00:47] <Richard> he did that the other day as well so there might be a trend emerging ;+)
[00:47] <meni> so when is bush going to send those 250,000 troops marching into iraq to fire upon people hanging out their laundry, richard?
[00:48] <Richard> my card still says it may not happen
[00:48] <meni> i hope not
[00:48] <meni> just like a soap opera
[00:49] <Richard> it would unleash evil if it did happen
[00:50] <BoY> it's alredy unleashed
[00:50] <meni> murder.....mayhem......
[00:51] <Richard> i agree
[00:52] <Richard> but we don't want the lesh to get any longer
[00:52] <meni> stil think they are positioning troops for post shift?
[00:52] <Richard> and also
[00:53] <Richard> to get young males outta america
[00:53] <meni> uh oh....sounds ominous
[00:54] <meni> young males as in people who might put up a fight?
[00:54] <Richard> yes
[00:54] <Richard> i understand that joining the army is a choice still?
[00:54] <meni> yes
[00:55] <meni> what have you heard?
[00:55] <meni> some kinda staged terrorism and martial law crack-down?
[00:55] <Richard> nothing. Just thinking things through logically in another angle
[00:56] <meni> i'm probably already on the red list....lol
[00:57] <meni> what thoughts are you having?
[00:57] <Richard> in the next life i'd like to come back as a red indian
[00:58] <Richard> always "backed" the indian in C/I movies
[00:58] <meni> the indians are old spirits
[00:58] <Richard> they are
[00:59] <meni> that's what i read on zt....lol
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[00:59] <Richard> and recently i have found out that the maori from here in new zealand are as old also
[00:59] <obany> hi Richard
[00:59] <Richard> hi obany
[01:00] <Ogmios> my personal horoscope told that i have lived several times as indian in the past
[01:00] <Richard> obany: talking about red indian
[01:00] <Ogmios> hi obany
[01:00] <Ogmios> past life horoscope
[01:00] <meni> so what do you think is going to happen, richard?....with them getting all the young males outta the u.s.
[01:00] <Richard> i've never had anything like a horoscope read
[01:01] <Richard> except a tent gyp who said i'd become rich but not by lotto
[01:01] <Richard> didn't become rich either
[01:01] <obany> red indian ?
[01:02] <meni> as opposed to hindu probably
[01:02] <Richard> yes i said i'd like to come back as a red indian\
[01:02] <Richard> hopi
[01:02] <Ogmios> are there other colours as well ;)
[01:02] <meni> won't be too many hindus if nancy is right
[01:02] <Richard> don't know
[01:02] <Richard> o yeh
[01:02] <Richard> indian of sth america
[01:02] <Richard> they aren't all red
[01:03] <Ogmios> hmmmm red like..nibiru
[01:03] <Richard> yeah
[01:03] <Richard> reading about the dust and atmospheric reactions is enough to think about at present
[01:04] <meni> red rain is coming down....does peter gabriel know about nibiru?
[01:04] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm updated again
[01:04] <obany> btw brb
[01:04] <Richard> Gabriel and is womad music thing is playing here in new zealand in march
[01:05] <meni> why do you think the young men are being moved out of the u.s., richard?
[01:05] <Richard> not sure just an angle my thinking took
[01:06] <meni> i've read plenty of conspiratorial sites that predicted such a move....years ago
[01:06] <Richard> it gives Bush some bad control
[01:06] <meni> had them filed away.....does seem to be happening now
[01:06] <Richard> is that right?
[01:07] <Richard> maybe i read one article somewhere
[01:07] <Richard> and it started the thought process
[01:07] <meni> yes....get all the american troops out....stage a fake terrorist attack....declare martial law....use russian and german nato trrops
[01:07] <meni> troops
[01:08] <Richard> same thing i read
[01:09] <meni> could be....read that nato awacs were patrolling over the u.s. after 911
[01:09] <meni> now why would they be doing that?...practice?
[01:09] <Richard> remoye control
[01:10] <Richard> oops sorry
[01:10] <Richard> read that awacs in area day of 911 ...remote control?
[01:11] <Richard> had an horrific nightmare prior to 911 ....i saw evil. Day of 911 on tv ....i saw evil
[01:12] <Richard> got me reading ......more
[01:12] <meni> who knows?....i know i wouldn't fly a plane into a skyscraper
[01:12] <meni> i would think they would have to use remote control
[01:12] <Richard> yep
[01:13] <meni> nobody even blinked an eye when the idiots started flying the global hawk around
[01:13] <Richard> earlier in the year a commercial airliner (w/out passengers) flew usa -> australia & BAck
[01:14] <Richard> via remote contro;
[01:14] <Richard> yep anything is possible
[01:14] <meni> cattle being led down a chute
[01:15] <Richard> k
[01:15] <Richard> i've seen them at the meatworks chute
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[01:16] <obany> i will be back in a min about
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[01:16] <Richard> hi flah
[01:16] <flahrehto> hi   a newbie here
[01:17] <meni> newbie to what?...
[01:17] <flahrehto> newbie here  :)
[01:18] <Richard> hi newbie:)
[01:18] <flahrehto> it's been a long time since I ever did chat sessions... keep forgetting to press enter  <g>
[01:18] <meni> what  are you doing to prepare, flah?
[01:19] <flahrehto> Hi Richard and meni  :)
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[01:19] <Richard> hey humvee
[01:19] <humvee> hi Richard u still on ic
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[01:20] <Richard> yeh woofling away  :+)
[01:20] <flahrehto> builing up a few food and medical items at the moment
[01:20] <meni> hey richard....have you ever heard of the russian's scalar weaponry?
[01:20] <Richard> heard of scalar weapon but didn't know who had it
[01:20] <flahrehto> doh.. building.. will have to check the spelling  <g>
[01:21] <Richard> was it from a tesla work
[01:21] <flahrehto> scalar? not heard of it...
[01:21] <humvee> richard: wat did u think o steveh pic w/26 moons n stuff following px?
[01:21] <meni> the russians and several other countries.....supposed to be able to use the energy from the core of the earth to power it up
[01:22] <meni> can create firestorms and earthquakes
[01:22] <flahrehto> shite
[01:22] <Richard> yep from the tesla work
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[01:22] <Richard> WOAH
[01:22] <obany> <=== coffee
[01:22] <Richard> <---- also
[01:22] <flahrehto> flah  <--- tea
[01:22] <Richard> lol
[01:23] <flahrehto> chuckle
[01:23] <Richard> 26 moons ...woah
[01:23] <humvee> did u look?
[01:23] <Richard> thats a lotta crap we could suffer
[01:23] <meni> they use some kinda longitudinal electromagnetic waves with an interference pattern....by tweaking the interference they can either suck in huge amounts of energy, or release huge amounts of energy
[01:23] <Richard> those the jan 10 pics?
[01:24] <humvee> yes - they are way wide so 1 cud come close happened before
[01:24] <meni> as in running one pattern at the core of the earth and then discharging this energy in another area....such as over the u.s.
[01:24] <flahrehto> just gonna check the planet x sightings.. brb
[01:25] <Richard> crazy
[01:26] <meni> yeah...wild and powerful....you could create your own planet x scenario with transmitters like that
[01:26] <flahrehto> would they have time to do that?
[01:26] <Richard> and would they
[01:26] <meni> the russians have been developing these scalar weapons for the past 40 years
[01:26] <humvee> i like the annimation
[01:27] <meni> while the americans have little if any development in the area
[01:28] <humvee> .
[01:28] <meni> just a thought....that maybe the president is taking directions from somebody else......putin maybe....lol.....telling him do this, or else
[01:28] <meni> setting the whole thing up
[01:29] <Richard> well according to zetatalk human technology will not evolve further as x passing as other technology is suprior
[01:29] <Richard> as =after
[01:30] <Richard> after x dang Lol
[01:30] <meni> i hope it's not true....would be bad.....no humans should have that kinda tech
[01:31] <flahrehto> (still waiting for bmp file to load at planetx)....brb
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[01:33] <Richard> it gets quite in here at times
[01:33] <Richard> sometimes i think we are like stunned participants
[01:34] <flahrehto> ugh.. I just get a picture of a film strip... so no pics for me till I work out that fts file thing
[01:34] <Richard> click on last link
[01:34] <Richard> that page
[01:34] <Richard> has moons circled
[01:35] <flahrehto> dang.. just closed it.. hehe
[01:35] <Richard> ther's bloody heaps of them
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[01:35] <flahrehto> who you swearing at<g>
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[01:35] <Richard> right of left side?
[01:35] <Richard> of=or
[01:36] <otherhalf> better side  .. haha
[01:36] <Richard> whats the opposite ? Badder
[01:36] <otherhalf> worse... and that's terrible.. hehe
[01:36] <Richard> lol
[01:37] <Richard> so where's the otherhalf?
[01:37] <otherhalf> haha.. talking to me....??? <vbg>
[01:37] <otherhalf> Who else is left in here now?
[01:37] <Richard> oh tea
[01:37] <Richard> oh yea
[01:38] <Richard> scroll to the right of screen
[01:38] <Richard> list of names
[01:38] <otherhalf> so.. you taking me up in the hills in a few months time... under the starlit sky...??
[01:38] <Richard> they might be lurking
[01:38] <Richard> or they might be chatting in small screen
[01:38] <Richard> donno about starlite
[01:39] <Richard> bloody black
[01:39] <otherhalf> dustlit then....
[01:39] <Richard> i'll have to get a miners hat
[01:39] <otherhalf> only a few years of disorientation....
[01:39] <otherhalf> to find me... or the water  <g>
[01:40] <Richard> just think no boy racers
[01:40] <otherhalf> yay!   :))
[01:40] <Richard> ~:+)
[01:40] <Richard> ~:+) <---- tintin
[01:41] <otherhalf> anyway... I'm off... may as well get a little enjoyment while I can... Ryan and Styles are creating havoc on tele  :)
[01:41] <Richard> ok
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[01:41] <Richard> me too ... call it a night
[01:41] * otherhalf has quit IRC (  tata  :)))
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[02:08] <obany> hi ogmios
[02:08] <obany> brb
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[02:09] <obany> hi
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[02:28] <obany> hi
[02:28] <Layberinthius> dont shoot
[02:28] <Layberinthius> dont shoot
[02:28] <Layberinthius> hi
[02:29] <obany> i won't shoot
[02:29] <obany> as long as you watch out :P
[02:29] <Layberinthius> righteho =)
[02:34] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm updated
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[02:49] <obany> hi
[02:50] <obany> wb gregacnj
[03:12] <Ogmios> hi
[03:12] <obany> ah you returned
[03:13] <Ogmios> saw my cousin..said that new baby coming very soon
[03:13] <Ogmios> bad timing..
[03:14] <obany> Ogmios: my cousing whom i told about it got married in 2001 and will also get a baby in April .. :/
[03:14] <obany> yes bad timing
[03:16] <Ogmios> poleshift and babies..bad combination
[03:16] <Ogmios> lack of food
[03:17] <Ogmios> health care..diseases
[03:17] <obany> i know i know, and not the type of food they need either ...... would rather wait with such a thing
[03:20] <Ogmios> http://www.fmi.fi/en/index.html
[03:21] <Ogmios> from few plus degrees to -20 and below
[03:21] <obany> wierd wierd
[03:22] <obany> btw brb going to make some stinging nettle tea brb
[03:22] <Ogmios> it is wierd how fast weather changes
[03:23] <Ogmios> quite impossible to predict what kind of weather is 2 days from now
[03:26] <obany> i agree, it's to wierd ..
[03:29] <obany> have you seen my 2 emails to tt-watch yet ..
[03:29] <obany> floods in Tunesia
[03:29] <obany> torrential rain in Brazil
[03:30] <Ogmios> no
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[03:37] <obany> http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1042768389375_10///?hub=World
[03:37] <Ogmios> one friend in winnipeg canada is freezing. -21
[03:41] <obany> cold
[03:41] <obany> http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=LVWRQM2SP15DKCRBAEKSFEY?type=worldNews&storyID=2054755
[03:47] <obany> it's certainly wierd my friend ... all around the globe
[03:47] <Ogmios> true
[03:48] <Ogmios> http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~geo101vc/Lecture2/sld006.htm
[03:49] <Ogmios> listening serbian band called diluvium. very nice female vocals
[03:50] <obany> interresting those pix
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[03:54] <ukuz_zzz> :)
[03:56] <obany> hi ukuz_zzz and no the restaurant is closed, you where the only costumer and when you left sigh ... :P
[03:56] <obany> broke
[03:56] <obany> :P
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[04:22] <ukuz_zzz> Obany, is fish still on the menu?
[04:25] <obany> yes, but we added some more items
[04:25] <ukuz_zzz> (gulp!) uh thats ok, I'll just have Coffee for now...
[04:27] * obany gives ... ukuz_zzz a cup of coffee
[04:27] <obany> from the house ....
[04:27] <obany> since it has been a while
[04:27] <obany> :P
[04:27] <ukuz_zzz> on the house... cool
[04:27] <ukuz_zzz> :)
[04:28] <ukuz_zzz> (whats this thing swimming in my coffee...?)
[04:29] <obany> ah that was that musquito that was flying around in the kitchen
[04:29] <obany> sigh
[04:29] <obany> i will bring you another cup
[04:29] <ukuz_zzz> hmmm....
[04:29] <ukuz_zzz> ok
[04:29] <ukuz_zzz> :[
[04:29] <ukuz_zzz> (gulp!...)
[04:30] <ukuz_zzz> (they really have big mosquitos here...)
[04:30] <ukuz_zzz> never seen that size before...)
[04:30] <ukuz_zzz> :-o
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[04:34] <ukuz_zzz> theres that guy outside looking a little pale...
[04:34] <ukuz_zzz> (wonder if he ate here recently?...)
[04:35] <Layberinthius> he probably ate some of Himitsu's camel from the Persian Gulf =P
[04:36] <ukuz_zzz> (yikes...!)
[04:37] <ukuz_zzz> let me see....yup, theres that Camel on the menu....
[04:37] <ukuz_zzz> :(
[04:38] <ukuz_zzz> (I think i'd better go to that McDonalds down the street...)
[04:39] <obany> not again
[04:39] <Layberinthius> no dont go there
[04:39] <Layberinthius> food poisioning
[04:39] <ukuz_zzz> oh?
[04:39] <Layberinthius> from the air-conditions
[04:39] <Layberinthius> ers rather
[04:39] <Layberinthius> goto hungry jacks
[04:41] <ukuz_zzz> Is there a restroom here?
[04:42] <Layberinthius> shrug
[04:42] <Layberinthius> get a large size coke
[04:42] <ukuz_zzz> hehe
[04:42] <Layberinthius> give it to your kids, and use that
[04:43] <ukuz_zzz> well, i suppose there must be one in back somewhere...
[04:44] <ukuz_zzz> here we are..."restroom"
[04:44] <Layberinthius> ooh
[04:44] <Layberinthius> do they have whores?
[04:45] <ukuz_zzz> hey, this is the back door to a pond...
[04:45] <ukuz_zzz> :(
[04:46] <ukuz_zzz> (lots of fish swiming here...)
[04:47] <Layberinthius> then just take a leak in the pond
[04:47] <ukuz_zzz> :)
[04:47] <Layberinthius> they pull the plug and replace the water/fish with new ones after you leave you know
[04:49] <ukuz_zzz> these fish look like the ones on the menu...
[04:49] <ukuz_zzz> (gulp...)
[04:49] <obany> heheheh sigh .. okay food now
[04:50] <Layberinthius> lol
[04:50] <ukuz_zzz> was that you i seen holding a fishing pole out back a while ago?
[04:50] <ukuz_zzz> :-o
[04:50] * Layberinthius hands ukuz_zzz a polaroid
[04:51] <Layberinthius> 'red-handed'
[04:55] <ukuz_zzz> too dark out side to tell for sure
[04:57] <ukuz_zzz> nah, couldnt be the same fish...
[05:00] <ukuz_zzz> well, i better be going,  i'll be back later...
[05:00] <ukuz_zzz> :)
[05:00] <Layberinthius> k
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[06:04] <obany> http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s765279.htm
[06:04] <Layberinthius> ooh australia site in the mix =)
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[06:07] <Layberinthius> k
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[06:09] <Ogmios> later obany
[06:21] <Ogmios> anybody awake?
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[06:29] <Jade4u> Hmm. Those new image analysis leave something to be desired.
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[06:49] <Ogmios> what
[06:54] <Jade4u> Their far from definitive, sadly. I expect by this point for them to be able to circle obvious objects, but even now they can't. I'm still not doubting Nancy, but it seems strange.
[07:03] <Ogmios> weather is definately changing in finland..i dont know what changes it
[07:04] <Ogmios> maybe gulf stream is weakening
[07:04] <Ogmios> that would mean new ageice to north
[07:04] <Ogmios> ice age
[07:06] <Jade4u> The weather is very strange lately worldwide, I feel perhaps that the people imaging might just not be very capable. Since they're just amateurs. I'm sure if a professional astronomer checked it out, they'd find it.
[07:07] <Ogmios> sure
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[07:09] <Jade4u> Hey Queen.
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[07:09] <QueenVee> morning all
[07:09] <Dsarith-Away> Morning QV
[07:09] <QueenVee> freezing bloody cold here today
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[07:09] <Dsarith> Pretty cold here too :-)
[07:10] <QueenVee> even my dog wanted to get back into the warmth....
[07:10] <Ogmios> +2C here
[07:10] <Jade4u> Queen, did you see the new images?
[07:10] <QueenVee> nope
[07:10] <QueenVee> brand new since last sat?
[07:10] <QueenVee> i just got online
[07:10] <Jade4u> Yes
[07:10] <QueenVee> cool
[07:11] <Ogmios> hi Queen
[07:11] <QueenVee> hey petri
[07:12] <QueenVee> it's -16C here, but with a strong wind; with windchill factor it's -24C....
[07:12] <Ogmios> warm here..tomorrow might be -20 again..who knows
[07:12] <QueenVee> it's been consistently cold for about three days in a row here, which is unusual
[07:12] <QueenVee> usually goes up and down dramatically
[07:13] <Jade4u> Their a bit dissapointing, but I've come up with the theory, that SteveH being an amateur, just isn't very capable of imagin something, I'm sure that if a professional astronomer imaged it there would be visible objects at this point.
[07:13] <QueenVee> mmm, maybe
[07:14] <Jade4u> Escpecially since it supposed to be visible in almost 78 days, it must be visible with imaging. It's a shame that no one takes it serious enough who's a pro. who would image it. Oh well.
[07:15] <QueenVee> yes, oh well
[07:15] <Jade4u> Good images would be enough to convince the majority of people of it's coming.
[07:16] <Dsarith> I think thats the point of not imaging :-)
[07:17] <Jade4u> True.
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[07:34] <sotos> hello all
[07:34] <QueenVee> hi sotos
[07:34] <sotos> any new?
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[07:35] <QueenVee> new pics, apparently
[07:35] <sotos> where?
[07:35] <QueenVee> i haven't had a chance to look yet
[07:35] <QueenVee> no doubt under PX Sightings on the zetatalk site
[07:35] <sotos> ok..
[07:36] <sotos> I 'll have a look..
[07:36] <sotos> brb
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[07:54] <Dsarith> And what do you think Soto?
[07:56] <sotos> it looks its comming.. http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/naji5.htm
[08:01] <Jade4u> The pics aren't very definitive.
[08:01] <Jade4u> sadly.
[08:02] <QueenVee> they will be in time
[08:03] <sotos> There are so many factors that can distort the images..
[08:03] <Jade4u> I mainly think it's due to the fact that the imagers are amateurs.
[08:05] * juditness is away.. NAKED. [mail: judit@geekychick.org] at 17:06:57
[08:06] <sotos> When you have past pictures and there is a secuence of movement, 1 faulty reading can't say anything. Look at the forest not at the tree
[08:07] <sotos> and past images prove that is there.
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[08:07] <Jade4u> Still nothing that will convince someone who doubts it.
[08:08] <Jade4u> I'd like my friends to stop thinking I'm nuts ;)
[08:08] <sotos> maybe if his imagination and self sence is sleaping
[08:09] <Jade4u> Thing is, when someone must use thier imagination, very infrequently will you convince them.
[08:09] <Jade4u> But, with time the evidence will come.
[08:10] <sotos> 14.05 billion miles... can you imagine what you can see at that distances?
[08:10] <sotos> almost nothing
[08:11] <QueenVee> we have no choice but to wait...
[08:11] <QueenVee> and reserve judgement in the meantime
[08:11] <Jade4u> Yes
[08:15] <sotos> What Zts say about bush-sadam war?... will be start? or not? and for what perpuse?
[08:18] <Jade4u> http://www.zetatalk.com/govmt/g164.htm
[08:18] <QueenVee> sotos: there's lots of information on the ZT site about that
[08:19] <sotos> ok..thanks
[08:19] <QueenVee> use the search engine, do a search with keyword iraq: http://www.zetatalk.com/search/freefind.htm
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[08:19] <QueenVee> bottom line: all-out war will not happen before poleshift
[08:20] <QueenVee> US is positioning its troops in key areas in order to try and take over after the shift
[08:20] <QueenVee> they are deluded in that plan, but that is the plan, according to ZT
[08:20] <QueenVee> hi ygg
[08:20] <yggdrasil> herro
[08:20] <Dsarith> hi ygg
[08:20] <Dsarith> Herro to you too
[08:20] <QueenVee> i'm off to get some breakfast, be back later
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[08:23] <yggdrasil> herro
[08:23] <Dsarith> Hello
[08:24] <sotos> hi
[08:24] <yggdrasil> herro
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[08:52] <steveny> hello
[08:52] <Dsarith> Hi Steveny
[08:52] <steveny> hey
[08:53] <Dsarith> Have you been here before
[08:53] <steveny> once before
[08:54] <Dsarith> What brings you back?
[08:54] <steveny> whats up
[08:54] <Dsarith> Pretty quiet today
[08:55] <steveny> i have a few min just wanted to touch base
[08:55] <Dsarith> Most of the people in here are asleep I think
[08:55] <Dsarith> :-)
[08:55] <steveny> its noon where i'm at
[08:55] <Dsarith> There are new images on zetatalk.com. Have you seen them
[08:56] <Dsarith> Its almost 11 here in Dallas
[08:56] <steveny> I was just looking at them
[08:56] <steveny> what do you think
[08:56] <Dsarith> I cant make out anything, but I am not even close to being an amatuer astronomer :-)
[08:57] <Dsarith> I am too ignorant even to draw a conclusion
[08:57] <Dsarith> lol
[08:57] <steveny> I was thinking the same thing,you could show me anything
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[08:58] <Dsarith> Hey BoY
[08:58] <BoY> :)
[08:58] <Dsarith> Lets ask BoY
[08:58] <Dsarith> Have you seen the new images
[08:58] <BoY> yes
[08:59] <Dsarith> steveny and I cant read squat, but we are clueless on how to read charts
[08:59] <Dsarith> Can you make out anything?
[08:59] <BoY> they only look like dots not image of a planet like i seen n books
[08:59] <Dsarith> Yip
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[09:00] <Dsarith> steveny have you made any plans or selected a site
[09:00] <Dsarith> Hi HBO
[09:00] <HBO> hi Dsarith
[09:00] <Dsarith> Have you been here before
[09:00] <HBO> I live here :)))
[09:00] <BoY> whenit's close enough to see in day time then i guess just prior they oughta be planet image like in books
[09:01] <Dsarith> Ok, trying to figure out who is normal ... lol
[09:01] <steveny> i'm about 60 miles nw of nyc in the catskill mountains
[09:01] <Dsarith> I agree BoY
[09:01] <HBO> wondered if anyone had looked at JWDs analysis of Jan 10 pix, and if so, what do you make of it?
[09:01] <BoY> so i figure about early march at latest
[09:01] <Dsarith> Oh that that is great I think Steveny
[09:01] <steveny> i hope so
[09:02] <steveny> how about you
[09:02] <BoY> but then my figuring is not so good as i did poor in math class
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[09:02] <QueenVee> hello all
[09:02] <HBO> mornin' QV
[09:02] <steveny> hey
[09:03] <QueenVee> James McCanney is really going to town about ZetaTalk...
[09:03] <Jade4u> McCanney?
[09:03] <Dsarith> WB QV
[09:03] <QueenVee> James McCanney is a PlanetX researcher...
[09:03] <HBO> is he at xfacts?
[09:04] <QueenVee> that's jason martel
[09:04] <HBO> ok, where is McCanneys site?
[09:04] <QueenVee> he's one of the experts featured on the PlanetX video, along with Nancy and Martel....
[09:04] <Dsarith> Going to town in a good way?
[09:04] <Dsarith> Nevermind
[09:04] <Dsarith> :-)
[09:04] <QueenVee> no, he's very anti-ZT
[09:04] <QueenVee> hold on, i'll get you links
[09:04] <Dsarith> Cool
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[09:04] <Dsarith> Hi miguel
[09:05] <miguel> hello Dsarith
[09:05] <miguel> hello
[09:06] <steveny> gotta go be back soon
[09:06] <QueenVee> here's mcCanney's website: http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/index.htm
[09:06] <Dsarith> See ya steveny
[09:07] <HBO> QueenVee, could you figure out what JWD and Naji are saying about the Jan 10 pix?
[09:07] <QueenVee> basically, he says PX is coming from a different direction
[09:07] <QueenVee> than what ZT says
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[09:07] <QueenVee> HBO: nope, i've not been able to figure out anything about any of the pics. it's all greek to me.
[09:07] <BoY> QV there was 2 earth quakes in nyc area  1 friday another tuesday both samll but they say expect more on news at any time
[09:07] <reticuli> guten morgan
[09:08] <QueenVee> Boy: really? gee. do you have links?
[09:08] <Dsarith> Hi Ret
[09:08] <QueenVee> hi ret
[09:08] <HBO> wish we could get JWD or SteveH to visit with us more
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[09:08] <BoY> no it was on tv local news this morning
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[09:08] <Dsarith> Hi Tied
[09:08] <tied2> hello
[09:08] <reticuli> usually tv stations have websites
[09:08] <Dsarith> I am getting an error ont he website QV
[09:09] <tied2> yeah there was a broken link yesterday :-0
[09:09] <QueenVee> which website?
[09:09] <Dsarith> Bummer
[09:09] <tied2> your
[09:09] <HBO> Dsarith, it opened ok for me
[09:10] <Dsarith> hmmmph... let me try it again
[09:10] <Dsarith> My fault... got it
[09:11] <QueenVee> McCanney seems to have a HUGE ego investment in this subject, and apparently RESENTS the fact that ZetaTalk has turned it into a CRAZY subject....
[09:11] <QueenVee> here's some of what he posted on Mark Hazelwood's listserve (in caps no less):
[09:11] <QueenVee> THERE MUST BE A REBUILDING
[09:11] <QueenVee> PERIOD BY THE SERIOUS RESEARCHERS WHO HAVE SPENT DECADES OF THEIR LIVES AND
[09:11] <QueenVee> DEDICATIONS TO STUDYING "THE EXTRA SOLAR SYSTEM OBJECTS" (NOTE THAT THE WORD
[09:11] <QueenVee> "OBJECTS" IS PLURAL) / I AM VERY OFFENDED THAT MY LIFE LONG RESEARCH HAS HAD
[09:11] <QueenVee> ITS NAME TRASHED AND TURNED INTO A CRAZY THING AND IT IS TIME TO RELIEVE ALL
[09:11] <QueenVee> OF US FROM THE BURDEN OF THE ZETA SITE AND RETURN TO REBUILDING THE SERIOUS
[09:11] <QueenVee> REALITY OF STUDYING THE "EXTRA SOLAR SYSTEM OBJECTS" / I HAVE COINED THIS
[09:11] <QueenVee> I HAVE COINED THIS
[09:11] <QueenVee> TERM AND WILL BE SOMEWHAT PROTECTIVE OF IT TO USE
[09:11] <QueenVee> FOR MY WORK IN AN EFFORT TO PREVENT THE SAME CRAZINESS FROM DEVELOPING AGAIN
[09:11] <QueenVee> AROUND THIS UTMOST IMPORTANT SUBJECT / IT IS ADDITIONALLY IN EXTREMELY POOR
[09:11] <QueenVee> TASTE THAT THAT ZETA SITE REFERENCED TREMENDOUS SCHOLARS SUCH AS VELIKOVSKY
[09:11] <QueenVee> AND MIXED THE ZETATALK BS WITH THIS GREAT MAN WHO IS NO LONGER WITH US TO
[09:11] <QueenVee> DEFEND HIS NAMES AND REPUTATION /
[09:12] <QueenVee> FOR FURTHER INFORMATION AND ONGOING UPDATES OF THE SEARCH FOR THE THE LATE
[09:12] <QueenVee> DR. HARRINGTON LOCATION OF THE 1991 NASA PLANET X DOCUMENTS SEE MY WEB PAGE
[09:12] <QueenVee> AT www.jmccanneyscience.com / AS I HAVE MENTIONED BEFORE THE WINDOW OF
[09:12] <QueenVee> VIEWING FOR PLANET X FROM THE SOUTH HAS ALREADY BEGUN SO IT WILL BE WELL IN
[09:12] <QueenVee> PLACE FOR THE FIRST VIEWING OPPORTUNITIES IN FEBRUARY 2003
[09:12] <QueenVee> end of quote
[09:12] <BoY> QV I FOUND THE LYNK http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_011603_nyquakes.html
[09:13] <reticuli> who is this guy?
[09:13] <QueenVee> but McCanney goes back and forth in his prediction of what PX will arrive -- was predicting a later date than nancy at one point, then said it could be May2003....
[09:13] <QueenVee> James McCanney, PX researcher
[09:13] <QueenVee> thanks Boy!
[09:14] <QueenVee> ret: here's mcCanney's site: http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/index.htm
[09:14] <tied2> "SURVIVING PLANET-X PASSAGE"
[09:14] <tied2> now available below for $5.50 per copy (price includes mailing) .
[09:14] <BoY> what will be the new pole star, Vega?
[09:14] <QueenVee> he's featured on the PlanetX video along with nancy, jason martel, et al
[09:14] <tied2> just a money grubber whanting to cash in
[09:15] <QueenVee> he's a legitimate, serious researcher, but has a real bug up his ass about ZetaTalk
[09:15] <QueenVee> and he is far too EGO INVESTED
[09:15] <QueenVee> as his posting indicates
[09:15] <Dsarith> Definetly has ego problem
[09:15] <reticuli> lol, well zetatalk is a  little much for the more scientifically minded person to take
[09:15] <QueenVee> oh, agreed
[09:16] <QueenVee> i'm not suggesting that it's odd that he doesn't take it seriously
[09:16] <QueenVee> i'm just commenting on how over the top he seems to be about ZT
[09:16] <reticuli> well, its a threat to the scientific paradeigm
[09:17] <HBO> reticuli, I resemble that remark :))
[09:17] <reticuli> I would think the whole subject was nuts if I hadnt seen it myself
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[09:18] <BoY> i guess people won't get their tax return $ this year if they file april 15
[09:18] <QueenVee> i suspect that mcCanney is really baffled as to why nancy seems to know so much about something he has been studying for years...
[09:18] <reticuli> since he cant conceive of the possibility then he assumes that nancy is a nut or out to take advantage etc....
[09:18] <QueenVee> ret: in which case one would just ignore the nutcase, but that's not what he's doing...
[09:19] <Dsarith> BoY: Good Point, I need to file quickly this year :-)
[09:19] <reticuli> yeah, I see your point, he is threatned
[09:20] <QueenVee> i mean, in his last interview he was calling for people to ask nancy to voluntarily remove the ZetaTalk site from the internet....
[09:20] <reticuli> lol
[09:21] <Dsarith> Whatever!
[09:21] <HBO> QueenVee, have you listened to any of his radio shows?
[09:21] <QueenVee> no, just read some of the transcripts
[09:22] <QueenVee> like i say, he's legit, a serious researcher....
[09:22] <QueenVee> but according to Zt, he's looking in the wrong direction
[09:22] <reticuli> direction? ... you mean in the souhtern hemisphere?
[09:22] <HBO> wonder if he has tried to take any pix focused on his direction
[09:23] <QueenVee> says PX is coming from the opposite direction that ZT says; hasn't tried to take pics yet, because he says it won't be visible to scopies until February
[09:23] <QueenVee> we shall see
[09:23] <QueenVee> the more people looking for PX, the better, as far as i'm concerned
[09:24] <Dsarith> What brings him to think this?
[09:24] <QueenVee> if the guy really belives PX and the poleshift is coming, you'd think he's at least recognize that nancy's site serves a positive purpose, in preparing people...
[09:24] <shaman464> has anyone been to skecpitalmind?
[09:24] <reticuli> wonder if he could ever get over himself and even do some imaging at the coordinates....
[09:24] <QueenVee> shaman: yes..... <yawn>
[09:25] <reticuli> shaman... that psycho's site... yes
[09:25] <QueenVee> Dsarith: he bases it on his interpretation of ancient writings on the subject, previous poleshifts, etc.
[09:25] <shaman464> i cant believe he doubted nancy that he art bell screens his calls, i have called in quite abit and he does
[09:26] <reticuli> the author of the skeptical mind site had a bad trip on the ouija board years ago and never recovered
[09:26] <shaman464> lol
[09:26] <QueenVee> ret: lol, that guy is seriously WHACKED
[09:27] <Dsarith> lol
[09:27] <reticuli> no, doubt, he is OBSESSED
[09:27] <reticuli> or maybe possesed
[09:27] <QueenVee> i can't begin to fathom why anyone would spent so much time and energy trying to convince people that something is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
[09:27] <Dsarith> Dont play with the ouija board!!!
[09:27] <Dsarith> :-)
[09:27] <QueenVee> i mean, time itself would do the job
[09:28] <QueenVee> what's the point?
[09:28] <reticuli> he bases his premise that zetas are a threat through his contact with 'zeta's' through the ouija board
[09:28] <reticuli> he is under an evil influence
[09:28] <QueenVee> whatever
[09:28] <shaman464> STS group
[09:29] <QueenVee> oh, puleeze, the guy's just unbalanced
[09:29] <HBO> then you ahve people like Anti (aka S7L) who are linked to his site
[09:29] <reticuli> I think that most entities contacted through the ouija are STS
[09:29] <reticuli> it is very dangerous
[09:30] <Jade4u> I'm always the one pushing the ouija indicator ;)
[09:30] <reticuli> lol
[09:30] <QueenVee> oh, ret, don't be silly
[09:30] <shaman464> god i only thought teenage girls used ouija boards.............
[09:30] <reticuli> queen, I speak from experience
[09:31] <reticuli> but whatever, it doesnt matter
[09:31] <QueenVee> and your experience reflects everyone's?
[09:31] <QueenVee> it's more a question of some people ATTRACT STS entities, no matter what the method of contact
[09:31] <reticuli> i beleive that my expereince is common with people that pursue that type of meduimship, its dangerous
[09:32] <reticuli> queen, that may be true
[09:32] <QueenVee> and a lot of people get in touch with very disturbed parts of themselves via stuff like that
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[09:32] <shaman464> well you do open a door with those that allows anything that wants in in
[09:32] <QueenVee> shaman: so that just makes you inexperienced
[09:33] <QueenVee> and stupid
[09:33] <shaman464> yea
[09:33] <shaman464> thats why i wont mess with those
[09:33] <reticuli> like i i said it doesnt really matter... the fact that remains that anyone who believes that they spoke to zetas through the ouija board is naive
[09:34] <shaman464> id rather be stupid and safe then mess with stuff i cant control........
[09:34] <QueenVee> anyone open to indiscriminately letting entities into their environment is going to do so no matter what the method used; and someone who knows better is not going to let such entities in, no matter what the method. in other words, it's got nothing to do with the method, it has everything to do with the PERSON
[09:34] <reticuli> I mean, you have to at least entertain the notion that when the spirit says its elvis that it aint
[09:34] <reticuli> ;)
[09:35] <reticuli> Its also important to realize that sts spirits are needy, ie they have a motive to talk to you and will tell you what you want to hear
[09:35] <QueenVee> and someone who is disturbed is going to get their "messages", no matter what the method -- if not the ouija board, then the radio transmissions in their fillings...
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[09:35] <shaman464> lol
[09:35] <QueenVee> ret: yeah, kinda like living people
[09:35] <reticuli> right
[09:36] <QueenVee> in my opinion, Mike Vega (aka Sapphire) is disturbed
[09:36] <QueenVee> and he's just chosen ZetaTalk to be the focus of his distubed obsessive mind
[09:37] <reticuli> except that the method of manipulation is different, and in as much as most people are spirtually blind and lack discernment the ouija is dangerous
[09:37] <reticuli> I agree that he is didturbed queen
[09:37] <reticuli> obsessive
[09:37] <QueenVee> ret: no more so than
[09:37] <QueenVee> no more so than simply meditation is "dangerous" to someone who is open to unhealthy vibes
[09:38] <reticuli> meditation is a general term, it depends on the type of meditation
[09:38] <reticuli> I guess driving could be unhealthy if you were blind ;)
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[09:39] <shaman464> does anyone know about Dulce?
[09:39] <HBO> see you guys later...going to listen to some of mcCanneys archives, for the halibut
[09:39] <QueenVee> someone attempting to get in touch with another dimension will be vulnerable to unpleasant experiences if he is predisposed that way
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[09:39] <BoY> dulce is a sea veg
[09:39] <reticuli> or if they lack discernment
[09:39] <QueenVee> agreed, ret
[09:40] <reticuli> which we all do here to some degree
[09:40] <Jade4u> QueenVee: Guess what you've been........ infiltrated!
[09:40] * Jade4u is now known as loitus
[09:40] <loitus> Have fun! CYA DOUCHES!
[09:40] <tied2> http://users.chartertn.net/tonytemplin/FBI_eyes/
[09:40] <loitus> lol
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[09:40] <reticuli> oh boy, your cool
[09:40] <QueenVee> what a silly person
[09:40] <reticuli> there is another unbalnced nut
[09:40] <shaman464> who was that?
[09:40] <reticuli> still smarting from the death of troubled times
[09:41] <QueenVee> i should listen to my instincts, instead of worrying about people considering me mean and unreasonable; i knew there was something not quite right about Jade and was going to  kick her....
[09:41] <tied2> I think you can still ban Jade
[09:42] <QueenVee> no matter
[09:42] <reticuli> he cant wait to go run and fill sapphy in
[09:42] <reticuli> lol
[09:42] <QueenVee> oh, yeah, i'm really concerned about the fact that mike vega might find out i think he's disturbed....
[09:42] <reticuli> rofl
[09:43] <QueenVee> whatever will i do if he finds out?
[09:43] <reticuli> he'll send his ouija zetas after you
[09:43] <Dsarith> lol
[09:43] <reticuli> he needs to put his ass up on his own site
[09:44] <QueenVee> those guys are never going to forgive me for killing off #troubled_times
[09:44] <reticuli> he masqeurades as a skeptic to get credibility, but he is far from one, there is not a skeptical bone in his body
[09:44] <QueenVee> exactly, look up the word "gullible" in the dictionary and you'll find his picture
[09:45] <reticuli> queen, i knoe, what will they do with themselves in between beating off to free porn
[09:45] <Dsarith> I sign on Troubled_Times everyday and it is totally dead and has been for over 2 weeks.
[09:45] <QueenVee> how are things going with the #earthchanges channel? do they get bugged by the debunkers?
[09:45] <tied2> some
[09:45] <reticuli> thank god, that beast needed to put dowm
[09:46] <QueenVee> see, you don't go to the trouble of killing trolls -- you just slowly starve them to death....
[09:46] <tied2> they don't stick around much cause we debunk them lol
[09:46] <QueenVee> good for you, tied, lol
[09:46] <QueenVee> it can be very entertaining
[09:46] <tied2> sure
[09:47] <Dsarith> CoastToCoast - Talked about PX last night
[09:47] <QueenVee> really? do tell
[09:47] <reticuli> what was shostak's opinon... or do i need to ask :)
[09:47] <QueenVee> shostak?
[09:47] <reticuli> seth shostak, head of SETI
[09:47] <QueenVee> ah
[09:47] <Dsarith> George ask the Seti Guest what he thought and he said that if he was going to be here would have been already seen
[09:48] <QueenVee> yadda yadda yadda
[09:48] <shaman464> it has
[09:48] <reticuli> lol
[09:48] <shaman464> to bad theyll never tell us that
[09:48] <reticuli> this is coming from a guy who is looking for intergalatic disco
[09:48] <QueenVee> just like if there were really aliens, we would have SEEN EM by now....
[09:48] <QueenVee> lol, ret
[09:48] <Dsarith> Yes Shostak
[09:49] <Dsarith> He said that it should be between mars and jupiter by now
[09:49] <reticuli> looking for radio waves in space as a way to find intelligence is like looking for an atm machine in south central LA
[09:49] <QueenVee> these guys sit around waiting for aliens to contact us via OUR primitive technology....
[09:49] <Dsarith> I am listening to him right now...streaming
[09:49] <tied2> has anyone looked seriously at the pic's on TT ?
[09:49] <shaman464> i think seti is a group that would still try and dispovre alien life even if they laneded in the frontlawn of the white house..................
[09:50] <QueenVee> let us know if he says anything interesting
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[09:50] <Dsarith> I will
[09:50] <Dsarith> WB miguel
[09:50] <QueenVee> tied2: i haven't understood the pics from day one....
[09:50] <QueenVee> hi miguel
[09:50] <shaman464> ............its all meteors and swamp gas to them
[09:50] <tied2> well i have gotten some familiarly from looking at them so long lol
[09:51] <QueenVee> the thing these guys don't GET is that aliens are bound to be ALIEN in every respect.....
[09:51] <QueenVee> not likely to conform to ideas of reality
[09:51] <QueenVee> not likely to conform to our ideas of reality
[09:51] <tied2> skymap is a great program just for looking at constellations and stuff
[09:51] <QueenVee> what do YOU think about the pics, tied?
[09:52] <tied2> it's hard to tell but there does seem to me something appearing more and more
[09:52] <shaman464> so whens nancy gunna be back on Coast to Coast?
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[09:53] <reti> have you all heard of the Brookings institution on the effect of contact with an alien civilization on earth, it indicated that the two groups in our society that would be most negatively impacted by that would be scientists and religious fundamentalists
[09:53] <QueenVee> ha, very astute
[09:54] <reti> I also read about a close encounter where a dozen people saw a daylight UFO, among the group was a scientist, he literally could not see it
[09:54] <QueenVee> that about sums it up
[09:54] <tied2> also it maybe very well more visible looking Thur the scope instead of a CDC image transmitted over the internet... there is bound to be some loss there
[09:54] <reti> people were pointing at it, he 'could' not see it
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[09:54] <BoY> Qv did u hear about the Endless Circle-Swimming Penguins At SF Zoo
[09:54] <QueenVee> uh oh
[09:55] <tied2> I saw pics on Jeff rinse of UFOs in Ohio
[09:55] <QueenVee> boy: lol, yes i did; strange
[09:55] <QueenVee> Jeff Rinse, huh?
[09:55] <reticuli> lol
[09:55] <reticuli> he needs to rinse his hair
[09:55] <reticuli> the guy looks frighterneing
[09:55] <QueenVee> tied: got a link?
[09:55] <tied2> yes in Findley, Ohio been there many times
[09:55] <tied2> yeah
[09:56] <Dsarith> Here you go.. Point one is that if it was real you would see it 2 months ago because it should be by jupiter
[09:56] <BoY> i was wondering if magnetism was affecting them
[09:56] <QueenVee> ret: it's a fact that people screen out anything that does not fit into their version of reality
[09:56] <Dsarith> Point two he says that if it were true Amatuers would see it and it wouldnt be able to be secret
[09:56] <reticuli> its fascinating queen
[09:56] <Dsarith> Lets see what else he says
[09:57] <QueenVee> ret: i've seen it over and over again
[09:57] <reticuli> yeah, me too
[09:57] <QueenVee> ret: makes you wonder what may be all around us, that we can't perceive simply because we can't conceive of it
[09:57] <reticuli> infinty
[09:57] <QueenVee> perhaps that's a characteristic of 3rd density
[09:57] <reticuli> :)
[09:58] <reticuli> yes I believe ut is
[09:58] <QueenVee> why we can't see those in 4th density
[09:58] * obaway is now known as obany
[09:58] <reticuli> the blindness paradoxically assists our evolution
[09:58] <QueenVee> being in third density is like having blinders on
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[09:59] <Dsarith> He also says that our search of the stars is so good that nothing is going to hit the earth big in the next 2 decades.
[09:59] <reticuli> thats why I dont really fear death, I have been beyond the 3rd density and know that I aint coming back again
[09:59] <QueenVee> actually, that very much reflects something that the Seth Material teaches -- that the physical reality we experience is simply a very narrow focus of consciousness within a very narrow area of time and space....
[09:59] <Dsarith> He is a little optimistic on our ability to watch the skys I would say
[09:59] <reticuli> in fact I welcome death
[09:59] <reticuli> but am patient :)
[09:59] <Dsarith> Last time I heard we only search 5% of the sky
[09:59] <QueenVee> hello NightStar -- what brings you to this room?
[09:59] <BoY> gosh
[10:00] <QueenVee> Dsarith: exactly, they only search the areas of the sky where they expect to find something
[10:00] <QueenVee> and they only see what they're expecting to find
[10:00] <QueenVee> NightStar: ARE YOU THERE?
[10:00] <Dsarith> Yip
[10:00] <tied2> I can't find the link now it was there yesterday right at the top of the home page ???
[10:01] <NightStar> Have been listening for about a week now. I suppose to be here.
[10:01] <QueenVee> otherwise, it's just "noise"....
[10:01] <QueenVee> listening?
[10:01] <reticuli> and we see only what our instruements are designed to detect, which is a function of our ideology/beliefs
[10:01] <NightStar> Not sure.
[10:01] <Dsarith> George says if it doesnt come in may he is going to have Nancy back and see if she changes her date
[10:01] <QueenVee> NightStar: not a good answer
[10:02] <QueenVee> nightstar: please note:
[10:02] <QueenVee> 'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[10:02] <QueenVee> ret: exactly. the biggest myth is the idea of "objective observation".....
[10:02] <reticuli> dsarith, will you respond to my private message
[10:02] <QueenVee> nothing observed is free from the bias of the observer
[10:03] <NightStar> But the truth, I am very familuar with ZT and TT.
[10:03] <QueenVee> then why are you not sure why you're here?
[10:03] <reticuli> fundamental principle of quantum mechanics queen
[10:03] <NightStar> To see what I can do, to help others....
[10:03] <QueenVee> how can you help others?
[10:04] <NightStar> Informing them of the PS mostly, helping others prepare.
[10:04] <QueenVee> well, people here are already informed of the PS, and are already preparing, so....
[10:05] <reticuli> what have you done to prepare night?
[10:06] <NightStar> Establish where I will be. Get things that I will need.
[10:06] <QueenVee> so where are you now, and were will you be relocating to?
[10:06] <NightStar> I am in Colorado, will stay here but go into the mountains.
[10:07] <reticuli> have you prepared at all, do you have a place to weather the storm, food etc?
[10:08] * JurAFK is now known as Jurian
[10:08] <NightStar> My main efforts have been in scouting out good places to be.
[10:08] <QueenVee> well, it sounds as though you need to focus on helping yourself before helping others...
[10:10] <BoY> is there any idea as to when sats will go down
[10:11] <QueenVee> sats?
[10:11] <obany> satelites
[10:11] <BoY> satelites
[10:12] <QueenVee> who's to say they've not been having trouble with them already?
[10:12] <BoY> i mean down
[10:12] <QueenVee> well, ZT never said they would all go DOWN....
[10:12] <BoY> as internet is only means to stay in touch with zeta talk
[10:13] <obany> they will go down at the time of the pole shift ....
[10:13] <QueenVee> i suspect the internet will be fine up until the very last few days
[10:13] <QueenVee> obany: exactly
[10:13] <BoY> wow
[10:13] <obany> BoY: wait a moment
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[10:14] <BoY> so we could all just be chatting away & then blanK
[10:14] <QueenVee> well, i think they're will probably be ongoing problems leading up to that
[10:14] <Jurian> errr, nancy makes one very big error tho :p
[10:14] <Jurian> internet traffic almost never goes over satellite links
[10:15] <reticuli> god I sure hope this happens, I dont want to die an old man on a broken paved over planet with a acidic humid atmosphere, rampant cancer rates and a monoculture "ecosystem" where farms and rats are called 'nature'
[10:15] <QueenVee> Jurian: that's our error; nancy hasn't said that
[10:15] <Jurian> yes she has
[10:15] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword23n.htm
[10:15] <Jurian> "sattelites will go down, causing delays, and emails to be returned" something like that
[10:15] <Jurian> email implies internet
[10:16] <QueenVee> someting like that, eh?
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[10:17] <reti> damm it, I am suffereing from multiple personality disorder again
[10:17] <reti> hehe
[10:18] <QueenVee> reti: you're morphing into 4th density
[10:18] <reti> lol
[10:18] <reti> goodbye cruel worls\
[10:18] <reti> world
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[10:21] <Jurian> (NancyL) Re the satellite failure, they said there were MORE up than admitted, but they ALL would begin to have problems, such that email would be delayed and bounce for the wait at times.
[10:21] <Jurian> there :p
[10:22] <obany> well it's different then the interent will malffunction ...
[10:23] <Jurian> she talks about satellites causing emails to bounce, that means she's saying it'll affect internet links
[10:24] <tied2> I have had e-mails bounce lately
[10:24] <obany> and why argue about this, i think it depends on your internpration ..   
[10:24] <Jurian> no, it doesn't
[10:24] <QueenVee> what else has he got to argue about
[10:24] <Jurian> and I'm not arguing, I'm just saying she's wrong about that
[10:24] <QueenVee> why don't we debate when Beatle is who as well
[10:24] <QueenVee> later
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[10:25] <Ogmios> my internet link is quite often very unstable
[10:25] <Ogmios> dna
[10:25] <Jurian> mine is extremely stable
[10:25] <obany> it's already said that Nancy has to know a bit about the subject .. or will you suddensly speak French if you hear a telephatic voice speaking French to you
[10:25] <Jurian> and I'm on satellite
[10:26] <Jurian> obany: no, but I've pointed it out to her, trying to help her.. all she does is ignore it
[10:27] <obany> well you consider it a major issue i guess ... but i don't see a reason to argue about this point at this time
[10:27] <obany> what will it help ?
[10:27] <Jurian> no, I dont consider it a major issue
[10:27] <obany> ok then
[10:27] <Jurian> I just consider it an error
[10:28] <obany> so you r mr perfect :P ??
[10:28] <Jurian> that's all
[10:28] <Jurian> no, but I'm not claiming that either :p
[10:30] <obany> enough .. enough ...
[10:31] <Ogmios> saddam said iraq will destroy the enemy
[10:32] <Jurian> hehe
[10:32] <Jurian> mr sodamn insane says a lot of things..
[10:32] <Ogmios> yea
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[10:42] <Ogmios> maybe he has a secret weapon ;)
[10:43] <BoY> uh oh
[10:43] <Ogmios> summoned old babylonian heroes to defend him
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[10:49] <West_coast> hi QV
[10:49] <QueenVee> yes, and mr bush insane says a lot of things...
[10:49] <QueenVee> hi WC
[10:49] <Dsarith> Hi WC
[10:49] <Dsarith> WB QV
[10:49] <West_coast> hi
[10:50] <West_coast> mr bush insane  :)
[10:51] <West_coast> am trying to learn about mushrooms
[10:52] <QueenVee> and mushrooms are trying to learn about you
[10:52] <Dsarith> lol
[10:52] <West_coast> :)
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[10:54] <QueenVee> hello James
[10:55] <QueenVee> what brings you to this room?
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[10:56] <James> Hello, Thank you. I am interested in speaking to others about the impending changes.
[10:57] <James> I am new to mIRC but am seriously in agreement with Troubled Times regarding the impending passage of Nibiru.
[10:57] <West_coast> James: where in the world are you?
[10:58] <QueenVee> and how long have you been aware of ZetaTalk and the coming poleshift?
[10:58] <James> I live in Chicago, work in the northwest suburbs
[10:58] <James> I have been aware of the coming planetary passage and subsequent poleshift for about 20 years.
[10:58] <tied2> Hi James
[10:59] <James> Hello.
[10:59] <QueenVee> so where do you plan to relocate to?
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[11:00] <James> I am not in a position (financially) relocate until just before or after the event.
[11:00] <James> I am hoping to work out a route to Canada, Colorado or South America.
[11:00] <James> Any thoughts on this?
[11:01] <James> I have only been preparing for a couple of months because I was under the impression that the Mayans were correct.
[11:01] <QueenVee> i'm thinking your plans are pretty vague
[11:01] * juditness is back.. game over, you lose. [been gone for: 2hrs 55mins 59secs] at 20:02:56
[11:01] <QueenVee> well, the Mayans WERE correct; we've just been reading the calendar wrong
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[11:02] <West_coast> wrong starting date for Mayan calendar, I think
[11:02] <QueenVee> James: you say that yóu're financially limited, so i guess a realistic plan would be to move to the closest relatively safe place with as many provisions and supplies as you can
[11:03] <QueenVee> it's one thing to survive the poleshift (not to hard to do), but another thing to survive the aftertime (much more challenging)
[11:03] <James> Exactly! My mom lives in Colorado and my sister lives in Canada. All of my friends think this will happen in 2012.
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[11:04] <QueenVee> well, an extended trip to see either of them around the time of the shift seems a reasonable plan
[11:04] <James> My skills in survival, hunting, planning and weathering climate changes will be useful, there is always more to learn but I have no intention of waiting to die.
[11:04] <QueenVee> where in canada is your sister?
[11:05] <reticuli> I hope I will finish my final exams b4 the ps
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[11:06] <James> Lisa lives in Iron Bridge Ontario but I have plans to visit my mom in Mid-April.
[11:06] <QueenVee> Iron Bridge? where is that
[11:07] <QueenVee> i live in ontario and have never heard of it
[11:07] <Jurian> where wooden bridge used to be ;p
[11:07] <QueenVee> (though i known an Iron Bridge in England...)
[11:07] <James> I have no idea, that's just the address, I haven't visited since her and her husband moved there a few years ago.
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[11:08] <James> She lives on Boulton River Road but it's a PO box, I think they are pretty isolated.
[11:09] <humvee> good day all
[11:09] <QueenVee> hi humvee
[11:09] <QueenVee> meet James, he is in Illinois
[11:09] <Dsarith> Hi Humfee
[11:09] <QueenVee> humvee is in hawaii
[11:09] <James> Hello, Humvee
[11:09] <Dsarith> Humvee
[11:09] <humvee> hi hi
[11:09] <humvee> aloha
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[11:10] <QueenVee> James: well, it sounds like your sister is in an ideal area
[11:11] <West_coast> will catch up with you all later...C U
[11:11] <Dsarith> C ya WC
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[11:11] <James> Good-Bye WC
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[11:12] <James> My plan is to meet up with one or more persons who don't have a shelter and then work a joint survival plan.
[11:12] <James> Hello, yggdrasil
[11:12] <QueenVee> then who will provide the shelter?
[11:12] <Dsarith> WB ygg
[11:12] <QueenVee> hi ygg
[11:13] <James> Working as a group should provide opportunities that alone may not be feasible.
[11:13] <yggdrasil> herro
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[11:13] <Dsarith> Hi JFull
[11:14] <humvee> HI james - 1/2 our family is relocating to mainland we are looking for location now
[11:14] <James> Hopefully, before the rotation recommences, there will be an opportunity to 'dig in'
[11:14] <JFull> hi
[11:14] <James> Hello, JFull
[11:14] <humvee> hi JFull
[11:14] <JFull> hi ho
[11:14] <JFull> hi hum
[11:14] <James> Humvee, I would look EAST of Nevada, as the San ANdreas trench will surely detach from the continent
[11:15] <humvee> yes sort of like MN in general
[11:15] <QueenVee> hey JFull
[11:15] <JFull> hi Queen
[11:15] <James> Minnesota seems like an excellent choice.
[11:17] <humvee> latest is r dad who has wife in phillipeans/ cant bring 2 us in less than 1 yr but she can get a tourist visa 4 canada 2 visit up 2 3 months np
[11:17] <QueenVee> James, Iron Bridge is near North Bay, Ontario....
[11:17] <Dsarith> The real question is if California fell off would it really be bad thing :-)
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[11:18] <Dsarith> I was born and raised to twelve there so I can say that
[11:18] <QueenVee> and here's what Zt has to say about North Bay: North Bay, Ontario is an example of an inland lake region that will change as a result of the shift. Due to the widening of the St. Lawrence Seaway, with release of tension along the banks of the seaway, this land will pop up and rise in elevation in relation to the surrounding land....
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[11:18] <QueenVee> ...North Bay currently drains into the Great Lakes, and will continue to do so, but will find more water coming from the direction of land along the seaway than from its current drainage configuration from the mountains inland. Thus, a larger lake, with more tributaries, as a result of the Shift. Fishing in this inland lake should be good, and the climate warmer than today.
[11:18] <James> Seems like Minnesota and Southern Canada will be good choices.
[11:19] <James> Thank you, QueenVee.
[11:19] <James> Hello tied2
[11:19] <tied2> more Minnesota I think
[11:19] <JFull> will be lots of lakes in MN
[11:19] <tied2> Hi James
[11:19] <tied2> right
[11:19] <Dsarith> Tied are you having a problem with your CPU again :-)
[11:19] <QueenVee> Iron Bridge is a little too close to the shore of a major lake, but if you move a little inland from there....
[11:19] <tied2> no I just reconfigured
[11:19] <Dsarith> Ah
[11:20] <James> Is it safe to assume 200 ft waves from the Great Lakes, as well as the ocean?
[11:21] <QueenVee> James: no
[11:21] <JFull> Qv going west will end up more south aft PS
[11:21] <JFull> warmer
[11:21] <Ogmios> hmmm i had few flashes from future today
[11:21] <QueenVee> James: you can expect no more than "sloshing" from the Great Lakes -- you only need to be about 50 miles inland to avoid flooding
[11:21] <Ogmios> i wasnt sleeping this time
[11:22] <Dsarith> Hi Ogmios
[11:22] <Ogmios> hi
[11:22] <James> QueenVee: Thank you. It seems that northern Illinois should be relatively safe as a 'waiting area' unless a group can be formed or joined before then.
[11:22] <James> Hello, Ogmios
[11:22] <Ogmios> i am definately changing
[11:23] <Ogmios> hi james
[11:23] <James> The challenge is in trusting people to take you seriously, or in not robbing you when they find out they haven't prepared adequately.
[11:23] * juditness is away.. cooking / eating. [mail: judit@geekychick.org] at 20:25:13
[11:27] <James> Humvee, will you be coming over by boat?
[11:27] <humvee> yes i c combined lake huron ontario erie combining pretty wet
[11:27] <James> It seems that watercraft will be a good idea for anyone around the coastal areas.
[11:28] <JFull> hum---go priv
[11:28] <QueenVee> James: watercraft will do you no good if you are anywhere near the coastal areas
[11:31] <James> QueenVee: It seems to me after the passage, and the subsequent restarting of the rotation, waterways and coastal areas should be pretty well defined (?) please correct me if I am wrong.
[11:31] <QueenVee> uh, no....
[11:32] <QueenVee> some areas that will still be above ground during the shift will be completely flooded within weeks, months, or years after the shift
[11:32] <QueenVee> and some areas that will be under water immediately after the shift, will subsequently drain
[11:33] <QueenVee> it will be difficult to know where "the coast" will finally rest in many places
[11:33] <QueenVee> but my comment about watercraft applied to the current coasts
[11:33] <James> I saw boats mentioned in the TT website as a mode of transportation, how long after the shift would be a good time to wait?
[11:34] <QueenVee> because during the shift, the coasts wil experience violent tital waves, that no watercraft could withstand
[11:34] <QueenVee> a good time to wait for what?
[11:35] <James> To wait to use a boat as transportation/hunting platform
[11:35] <humvee> James we will fly into Min-stPaul on Mar 15th, 2003 - brb
[11:35] <QueenVee> after the violent storms and tidal waves have subsided
[11:39] <James> HumVee: That's about two months before the passage? Will we be able to travel freely, or will THEY restrict civilian movements?
[11:40] <reticuli> freedom is never granted... it is siezed, no one will prevent me from travelling without meeting resistance
[11:41] <humvee> will b getting tickets should be opk but is a crap shoot of sorts
[11:41] <humvee> might go a few weeks earlier if done here sooner
[11:41] <James> Since I live in the city and I have limited financial resources, I have decided to make myself as mobile as possible and using the Website as a guide, will be traveling as incognito as possible.
[11:42] <humvee> james we r getting either a camper or teardrop trailer 2 travel n sleep
[11:43] <QueenVee> why would you need to travel incognito?
[11:44] <humvee> james i think jus imp 2 b out of pop areas in semi isolated spot
[11:44] <reticuli> I will buy 4 wheelers, I want to avoid dependance on roads, b4 the shift they may be closed, and after the shift they will be useless
[11:44] <James> Because I expect traveling bands of marauders to go after anyone they think has supplies, therefore I hope to appear as just some poor sob who got caught unprepared.
[11:46] <QueenVee> but you won't be some poor sob who has got caught unprepared? you will actually have supplies?
[11:46] <humvee> yes but i dont do dieting well so would not look enimic enough
[11:47] <humvee> better plan is to be out of sight - my dad keep saying if ur seen u will b dead
[11:47] <James> QueenVee: Well, I am in the process of assembling a mobile set of equipment and supplies based on the website recommendations.
[11:48] <humvee> so a low profile 4 a while is a good idea
[11:48] <James> HumVee: Well, staying out of sight is my first plan, but I want to be able to recognize and meet up with good people who want to help each other.
[11:48] <QueenVee> James: so where will your supplies be while you are travelling incognito?
[11:49] <humvee> in 5 gal buckets dragging behind motorcycle - LOL
[11:51] <humvee> anyone hav plans 4 a camoflaged motorcycle?
[11:52] <James> Well, I have planned on carrying a small pack with waist belt; ka-bar and Leatherman Multi-tool on my waist and the home ax and cleaver in sheaths under a long overcoat. If I have two military ponshos sewn together I will have a lower profile and more protection from the elements.
[11:53] <reticuli> dont forget firearms
[11:54] <QueenVee> and what will you eat on your journey? and what will you do when you get to whereever you're travelling to?
[11:56] <JFull> i had to put wood on fire place-- down to low 30 here tonight
[11:57] <JFull> weird weather all over this winter
[11:57] <James> Grubs, worms and snakes should do pretty well in the immediate, I will live one day at a time, planning to settle but concentrating on survival.
[11:59] <JFull> need to have some warm Mar weather to scratch out some trenches
[11:59] <QueenVee> in other words, you don't have any kind of plan at all; you won't have to disguise yourself as some poor sob who has been caught unprepared -- you WILL BE some poor sob who is unprepared
[12:00] <QueenVee> what exactly would bands of marauders be looking to jump you FOR?
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[12:10] <humvee> hav 2 go 2 work thanks 4 exchanges bye
[12:10] <Dsarith> Bye HV
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[12:11] <QueenVee> bye humvee
[12:12] <James> Good bye HumVee and Ydgrasil
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[12:25] <James> Thank you all for your welcome and helpful suggestions. I am just trying to prepare for the inevitable and appreciate any sincere advice on that. Time for work, so thanks again and enjoy the rest of the day. See you later.
[12:25] <QueenVee> bye
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[12:25] <reticuli> good bye, thanks for coming
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[12:42] <tenshu> LOL
[12:42] <tenshu> http://cicatrix.fragland.net/smurf/frodo_has_failed.jpg
[12:43] <reticuli> LOL
[12:44] <tenshu> nice isn't it lmao
[12:44] <reticuli> that explains it
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[13:17] <zod_away> mmm
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[13:25] <mondomono> morning
[13:25] <mondomono> Anyone here, who wants to talk to me?
[13:28] <mondomono> Are u blind?
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[13:30] <mondomono> ! u ckuf, hhaH
[13:30] <mondomono> ...og tsum I
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[13:39] <juditness> irc.funnet.org forever!!!!
[13:39] <juditness> zuhahahahahaha.
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[13:41] <zepar> hello all
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[13:49] <Ogmios> hi
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[13:50] <West_coast> home again
[13:51] <QueenVee> hello
[13:51] <West_coast> hi QV
[13:51] <QueenVee> i just saw my dog kill a racoon
[13:51] <West_coast> wow
[13:51] <QueenVee> very upsetting
[13:51] <West_coast> racoon's can be dangerous
[13:51] <QueenVee> he was just a little racoon
[13:51] <QueenVee> he didn't stand a chance
[13:52] <West_coast> oh..instincts, I guess
[13:52] <QueenVee> yeah.....
[13:52] <West_coast> hard to watch that, I bet
[13:52] <QueenVee> i know i'll be happy when he brings home dead critters after the poleshift....
[13:52] <QueenVee> but right now....
[13:53] <West_coast> different frame of mind, for sure
[13:53] <Ogmios> -3C :)
[13:53] <QueenVee> anyway, what's done is done
[13:53] <Ogmios> ohh +3 i meant
[13:54] <QueenVee> hey, it's -16C here
[13:54] <West_coast> I went scrounging at some second-hand stores
[13:55] <QueenVee> oh yeah?
[13:55] <West_coast> found some cast-iron cook ware, dutch oven..pretty cheap
[13:55] <QueenVee> cool
[13:56] <QueenVee> durable, though less than portable
[13:56] <West_coast> good for open fires, though
[13:57] <QueenVee> yes, very much so
[13:57] <West_coast> I hope I don't have to move, but if I do, most stuff will be left behind
[13:57] <West_coast> I mean, from my safe location
[13:57] <QueenVee> that's the damned thing, i wish i knew for sure whether i will be forced to be on the move, or will be able to stay put.... if i knew, it would make a big difference in terms of supplies....
[13:58] <West_coast> QV: where is your safe location..generally?
[13:58] <QueenVee> i'm planning on staying put, because of what ZT says, but you never know
[13:58] <QueenVee> i'll be on my cousin's farm near Woodstock, Ontario, which is smack-dab between Lake Erie and Lake Huron
[13:59] <West_coast> what is the elevation?
[14:00] <QueenVee> 1500 feet
[14:00] <West_coast> above the lakes?
[14:01] <QueenVee> above sea level -- ZT says that as long as we're at least 50 miles inland, we'll be OK -- and we're almost 100 miles inland either way
[14:01] <West_coast> sounds like a good gamble..is there a mountain close by?
[14:01] <QueenVee> lol, no
[14:02] <West_coast> seems like zt talked about the great lakes, post PS
[14:03] <QueenVee> yes
[14:03] <West_coast> something about the St Laurence (sp) seaway?
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[14:05] <pete> hello qv
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[14:05] <hysterix> hey everyone
[14:05] <QueenVee> hi pete, hysterix
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[14:06] <West_coast> hi
[14:06] <QueenVee> well, i just found out that i have a dog capable of bringing home some food in the aftertime
[14:06] <pete> long time qv
[14:06] <hysterix> it's sux, last night I almost had the whole file of nancy's art bell speech from zetapal, when he left and the file dissapered
[14:06] <QueenVee> watched him kill a racoon...
[14:06] <QueenVee> hysterix: oh dear
[14:07] <QueenVee> yes, long time, pete -- whereya been
[14:07] <QueenVee> ?
[14:07] <pete> been busy at sea and learnin how to build domes
[14:07] <QueenVee> ?cool
[14:07] <pete> no net where ive been
[14:07] <pete> yes absolutly amazin and cheap
[14:08] <QueenVee> are these do it yourself dome kits, or from scratch, or....?
[14:08] <pete> whats the latest or can u steer me in that direction
[14:09] <pete> i can tell u about it if u have time
[14:09] <QueenVee> i have time if you do
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[14:09] <pete> yes from scratch
[14:09] <pete> ok
[14:12] <pete> its a ferro cement shaped buildin and can be shaped into what ever shape one needs but in this case an odd shaped dome is the closest i can talk about its a cross between an abode and whatever
[14:13] <pete> needs only hand tools and now power and very strong and very cheap
[14:13] <pete> no power
[14:13] <QueenVee> what do you use as the "frame", so to speak?
[14:15] <pete> eg ,just abasic buildin will cost about 12$ nz for every square metre of area built ie the area includs walls and roof
[14:16] <pete> not floor area, just 12 for every metre of buildin built
[14:16] <pete> so
[14:16] <QueenVee> what do you use as the "frame", so to speak?
[14:21] <pete> start with supportin a frame made of 6 by 6 inch mesh that comes in 2.4   by   1.2 mesh this is about 6mm thick mesh that is standard in concrete work on this , both sides one ties with wire .then on both sides one ties on 13mm mesh,chicken wire mesh and then reo bar some 10  to 15 mm, then made up the right plaster a 3 to 1 ratio cement and then plaster on by hand usein gloves
[14:23] <West_coast> pete: have you made one?
[14:24] <QueenVee> i'd love to see a video of one being made....
[14:24] <QueenVee> or some pics of the stages
[14:25] <pete> easy compound curves by the use of this method mkes it round and at 2 to 3 inch thick is very strong, do the inside first in upward motions then let dry and do the out sides and one is workin it on like one is makin  love to it, its so easy kids can do it then make up a cement wash like paint in consisency then brush that on
[14:27] <pete> for a small dome half round of 15 across it would cost about 2500 nz, 1500 us$
[14:27] <QueenVee> cool
[14:28] <QueenVee> what exactly is ferro cement?
[14:28] <tied2> Ralf?
[14:29] <QueenVee> tied: try private messaging him
[14:29] <tied2> your not suppose to pvt ops w/o permission  :-)
[14:30] <pete> sadly the buildin industry only offer very expensive alternatives to this , so all on needs is a wheel barrow , hand tools ,obviously no buildin permit here , but who need s  it, so am gettin enough to cover my hole in the ground and enough for  buildin in the post times
[14:30] <tied2> I'll try help
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[14:31] <karmie> hi everyone
[14:31] <tied2> hello
[14:31] <West_coast> ferro-cement   cement applied over a wire framework
[14:31] <hysterix> hey karmie
[14:31] <West_coast> hi
[14:32] <pete> ferro is cement mixture with steel inside to re in force it, and we are usin all odd bits of metal and the hatch of hatch back cars as windows etc
[14:32] <West_coast> they make sailboats, boats out of ferro-cement construction
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[14:33] <pete> very very very cheap and strong like a dome
[14:35] <pete> yes if u can get the boat buildin mesh all the better they do not make that here any more but it is cheap with 2 layers of 13mm chicken mesh which is 804 nz a 50m roll and the heavy supportin mesh sheets are 25$ a sheet, nz$ ie
[14:36] <QueenVee> so have you actually made one yet, pete?
[14:36] <pete> 80$ a 50 m roll, and cement is 12$, but get the high grade stuff
[14:37] <Ogmios> zztop - legs
[14:37] <pete>  the good thing is everyone can help build this type of construction and kids just love makin stuff out of ferro
[14:38] <Ogmios> quite old song..i was teen
[14:38] <pete> yes build  ashower tiolet addition in the last 4 days
[14:39] <pete> qv, will send u some more info on it
[14:39] <QueenVee> so it would be quite waterproof?
[14:40] <QueenVee> PLEASE DO!
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[14:41] <hysterix> hey pete, that sounds great
[14:41] <QueenVee> hello Ptomais
[14:41] <pete> yes, one makes a wash of cement like paint and brushes it on thick in a cross way motion and lets that dry then a s4econd coat in a vertical direction
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[14:44] <pete> the elite are now movin into nz in force, buyin up properties and tom cruise and his crew are buldin sets for the movie the last samari, so we know what they are diggin in for , half way up mountains
[14:45] <hysterix> really??
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[14:46] <hysterix> damn
[14:46] <pete> chems trils are full on here but everyone is in denial, it makes me sick,even airforce bases here are getttin worked on 24  7,to enable big freight planes to arrive here soon
[14:46] <QueenVee> wow
[14:47] <QueenVee> Ptomais: ARE YOU THERE?
[14:47] <karmie1> pete - any mention on local news?
[14:48] <pete> u wouldnt believe our $$ it has gone up and is powerin up, not that nz has a boomin economy, just the $$$ comin in
[14:49] <pete> karmie1,regardin?
[14:49] <Ptomais> yes i'm here
[14:49] <Ptomais> hello everybody
[14:49] <karmie1> regarding the airforce bases you mentioned
[14:50] <hysterix> thats crazy...
[14:51] * juditness is away.. :/ [mail: judit@geekychick.org] at 23:52:27
[14:52] <pete> yes ;u know , just the usual smoke sreen about us needin our runways extenteded, the average nz is apathic, would know about f all,and when u point out the chem trails that can see it , but the doubt is obvious, so onward we go like everyone else, so sad
[14:53] <karmie1> then, no different than here.
[14:53] <hysterix> what do the chemtrails do?
[14:53] <Ptomais> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0%2C%2C3-528574%2C00.html (How US helped Iraq build deadly arsenal
[14:54] <QueenVee> thanks for that link, Ptomais; i read that article earlier today....
[14:54] <hysterix> good link ptomais
[14:54] <pete> i suppect aussie is under goin a similiar situation as people in the know arrive here, even if its for a holiday over the month of may
[14:54] <QueenVee> it's like everyone is in massive denial -- the truth staring them in the face, and still they believe the party line....
[14:55] <karmie1> Queen - so true
[14:55] <pete> been havin a few good releases QV!!
[14:56] <QueenVee> yes
[14:56] <QueenVee> people are like zombies....
[14:57] <pete> do u have any interstin new stuff qv??
[14:57] <Ogmios> cranberries - zombie :)
[14:57] <QueenVee> pete: just what's on the website: www.shift2003.com
[14:58] <pete> hysterix,u not familiar with chem trails??
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[14:58] <QueenVee> the lack of any kind of media report on the Iraq 6.4 quake is still quite a mystery
[14:58] <hysterix> really qv, how long ago was this quake?
[14:59] <QueenVee> day before yesterday: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=151
[15:00] <hysterix> thankx
[15:00] <West_coast> pete: are you familiar with "papercrete"?
[15:00] <Ogmios> is it on usgc list
[15:00] <Ogmios> iraq quake
[15:01] <pete> chem trails,can only conclud that its designed to suppress our consiousness about our acceleratin in our evolvement as human beings?? comments?
[15:01] <hysterix> why is the media so hush-hush about it?
[15:01] <hysterix> military threat prob...
[15:01] <QueenVee> no, not on the USGS list
[15:01] <pete> yes why are they hush hush
[15:01] <Ogmios> hmmm
[15:01] <QueenVee> i have no idea!
[15:02] <Ptomais> if it had not been on the news, then it's hard te believe for a lot of people that it actually happened (for example the Iraq quake)
[15:02] <Ptomais> has
[15:02] <pete> west coast, we have laid news paper over mesh then plastered that
[15:02] <hysterix> I mean, if I call fox 11 news, tell them thier have been quakes in oregan washington state and iraq, would they say, 'o we know' or something like that?
[15:03] <West_coast> www.northcoast.com/~tms/papercrete.html
[15:03] <QueenVee> Ptomais: quite right. it kills me when people say, "well, if they haven't reported this PX thing on the news, it must not be legit"...  
[15:03] <pete> tnx westcoast
[15:03] <karmie1> did anyone hear the Seti guy last nite on coast to coast?
[15:04] <pete> must sign off cu u all to morrow
[15:04] <karmie1> bye pete
[15:05] <West_coast> C U
[15:05] <QueenVee> karmie: no, but i hear he dissed the idea of PX
[15:05] <karmie1> queen - completely
[15:06] <pete> thanks for your ears, will try and post some ferro buildin stuff on prep2003, bye
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[15:06] <karmie1> wonder which agency is paying him!
[15:07] <QueenVee> hi dave
[15:07] <hysterix> I can't believe we supplied saddam with chemical weapons...thats sick
[15:08] <dave7> Hi Queen, hows Henry behaving?
[15:08] <karmie1> hysterix - I can believe it
[15:09] <hysterix> I aswell can believe it; I'm just saying it's horrible
[15:09] <hysterix> then we go in and start a war because he has them, the one's we gave him!
[15:09] <dave7> Make a buck, landmines.
[15:10] <karmie1> that's how our govt knew for sure that he had them - we gave them to him.
[15:11] <QueenVee> dave: sorry, i had to step away for a minute, back now
[15:11] <QueenVee> dave: henry is really coming along
[15:11] <dave7> Support largest industry, make an enemy.
[15:12] <QueenVee> dave: when we're out in the field (so to speak), he now makes a point of "checking back" with me every so often, instead of disappearing for long periods of time
[15:12] <dave7> That's good Queen, mine are on their best behavior lately
[15:12] <QueenVee> dave: but he demonstrated today that he will be capable of bringing home food in the aftertime....
[15:12] <QueenVee> he killed a racoon
[15:13] <karmie1> one of my dogs has a worried look lately - like she knows something.
[15:13] <dave7> Hope it wasn't Rooky
[15:13] <dave7> Rocky
[15:13] <QueenVee> it was a small raccoon, quite upsetting
[15:13] <dave7> Sounds like a top dog Queen
[15:14] <QueenVee> well, he kinda has a split personality -- he's very submissive and sucky indoors, but as soon as he's outdoor -- watch out
[15:14] <dave7> Dogs have been known to howl days before an earthquake
[15:15] <dave7> Preditor program
[15:15] <obany> here about hunting http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p145.htm
[15:15] <QueenVee> dave, have your dogs have killed anything?
[15:15] <karmie1> she is not anxious - just a sad look - maybe picking up on my feelings.
[15:16] <QueenVee> that may be the case, karmie
[15:16] <dave7> Yes Queen but only small things, like rabbits.
[15:16] <QueenVee> what kind of dog is she? how old?
[15:17] <QueenVee> dave: do they bring them to you, or just leave them out there?
[15:17] <karmie1> she's a black lab/mastiff mix - very much the guard dog - 4-5 years old.
[15:17] <QueenVee> dave: do you have cats as well?
[15:17] <QueenVee> karmie: thats a big dog
[15:18] <karmie1> she is big - 100+ pounds
[15:18] <dave7> No cats. If i get to rabbit early then i take it off them and we all get a share
[15:19] <QueenVee> well, now i'm worried about the cat, whether he might harm her....
[15:20] <dave7> Mine are 1/3rd Mastiff. Very intelligent dog
[15:20] <West_coast> dave: how many dogs do you have?
[15:20] <dave7> 7
[15:21] <karmie1> mastiff is a very intelligent breed - great for guarding
[15:21] <dave7> Was breed for guarding large estates in England
[15:22] <QueenVee> my dog is a harrier hound; also very smart; he's long, tall and gangly, but skinny -- only weighs 40 pounds
[15:22] <karmie1> Queen - I think usually cats can pretty much look after themselves with dogs - at least we found that in past experience.
[15:22] <dave7> Give him garlic every month for worms
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[15:23] <QueenVee> karmie: well, he chased after her a couple of times and was severely punished for it; now as soon as he sees her, he kind of cowers and backs away from her, no doubt remembering the punishment; still, i don't think i'll ever leave them on their own together.... after i saw what he did to that raccoon today....
[15:23] <dave7> The fatty they get the slower they get
[15:23] <karmie1> dave - didn't the first mastiffs come from Tibet? the llasas would alert the mastiff and he would take care of intruders
[15:23] <QueenVee> hi islander
[15:23] <QueenVee> dave: oh, Henry is fast -- like a greyhound
[15:23] <islander> hello  QV and all
[15:24] <karmie1> hi islander
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[15:24] <dave7> Could be . Haven't heard that before
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[15:24] <QueenVee> karmie: interesting, the llasas were bred to be supervisors.... lol
[15:24] <karmie1> queen - as long as the cat can jump up on something, it should be ok
[15:24] <West_coast> hey walt
[15:24] <QueenVee> karmie: well, that's what i keep telling my mother....
[15:25] <walt> hi
[15:25] <joallie> hello all
[15:25] <QueenVee> hi joallie and walt
[15:25] <joallie> hi QV
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[15:25] <QueenVee> dave: are your dogs all males? are they fixed?
[15:25] <karmie1> queen - true - they are barking dogs and not much bite - but the mastiffs could get the job done.
[15:25] <QueenVee> hello ukuz
[15:25] <ukuz_zzz> :)
[15:25] <ukuz_zzz> hi
[15:25] <karmie1> hi walt
[15:27] <ukuz_zzz> whats new?
[15:27] <QueenVee> i'm very very puzzled about the total news blackout on that iraq quake.... it's really bothering me....
[15:27] <ukuz_zzz> hmm...
[15:27] <ukuz_zzz> sounds serious
[15:28] <joallie> Wahat was the ritcher?
[15:28] <dave7> 4 girls(bitches)3 boys(dogs) one boy=Nimy is balless. And it made him a much better dog. They go fat though, so he always comes last
[15:28] <karmie1> queen - I think it's because we are getting ready to send our "boy" over there and they don't want us to know what's going on - once again.
[15:28] <karmie1> "boys"
[15:29] <dave7> cannon fodder
[15:29] <joallie> how strong was it???Do u know?
[15:29] <QueenVee> karmie: well, once again, they're not "our" boys -- they're your boys -- but this goes beyond that, because there are no reports ANYWHERE, even in the european media...
[15:30] <karmie1> sorry - I keep mis-wording.
[15:30] <QueenVee> there IS media outside of the US, you know....
[15:30] <walt> then where did you hear it from QV?
[15:30] <QueenVee> it was a 6.4 quake
[15:30] <joallie> ok
[15:30] <QueenVee> hold on, i'll get you the link
[15:31] <islander> try this list, shows quakes in Iran yesterday http://www.iris.edu/seismon/last30days.phtml
[15:31] <walt> why would a quake in Iraq be important to europeans and the US?
[15:31] <QueenVee> okay, here's what i posted on my website, which provides the links: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=151
[15:32] <QueenVee> walt: well, other quakes in that part of the world have always been duly reported....
[15:32] <dave7> Been experimenting with water filtration & would like to share my results.
[15:32] <QueenVee> and this is a pretty big one
[15:32] <QueenVee> please do, dave
[15:32] <walt> any news on the one in ANDAMAN ISLANDS, INDIA?
[15:33] <walt> or the 6.6 in PNG?
[15:33] <QueenVee> walt: on which days?
[15:34] <walt> 10 jan
[15:34] <dave7> Down here you can buy Gavity Candles that fit those bench top water filters for around $20.
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[15:34] <QueenVee> What is PNG?
[15:35] <walt> Papau New Guenaae
[15:35] <QueenVee> oh, papua new guinea -- yes, there were lots of news reports
[15:35] <islander> this quake, notice from usgs : A magnitude 6.6 earthquake IN THE NEW IRELAND REGION, P.N.G. has occurred at:
[15:35] <islander>  5.21S 153.50E  Depth  68km  Fri Jan 10 13:11:56 2003 UTC
[15:35] <QueenVee> yes, i reported that on my site
[15:35] <QueenVee> this is the first 6.0+ quake i've come across that has not received SOME media attention SOMEWHERE
[15:35] <QueenVee> and i've been following them for a long time
[15:36] <QueenVee> the one in iraq i mean
[15:36] <reticuli> queen, is the USGS still undereporting magnitude
[15:36] <dave7> If you get some plastic tube, 3ft & push over outlet. Then put in bucket raised i.e. hung on tree about shoulder hight.
[15:36] <QueenVee> yes, they are; also failing to report some quakes at all.... such as the one in iraq....
[15:36] <ukuz_zzz> good thing there wasnt a tsunami generated...
[15:38] <reticuli> queen, do you know if anyone has contaced USGS and made an inquiry about there reasons for the discrpancies?
[15:39] <dave7>  Then SIPHON into bottom bucket, they will empty top bucket really well & a lot quicker than in normal gravity setup.
[15:39] <islander> one discepancy I've noticed is the input time to get the database updated, especially on weekends
[15:39] <islander> discrepancy
[15:39] <QueenVee> what database?
[15:40] <islander> the one that supports the web info
[15:40] <islander> usgs
[15:40] <QueenVee> oh, yeah -- no kidding
[15:40] * QueenVee thought islander was referring to her website....
[15:40] <walt> DAVE you want to go to #EC and we can discuss the filter set up
[15:40] <islander> if you go back you will notice they add eartquakes for a few previous days
[15:41] <karmie1> here is a link from the earthquake sensitives board:  http://www.syzygyjob.org/earthquakes/rqlinks.shtml
[15:41] <islander> don't take it personal qv
[15:41] <QueenVee> islander: hey, i don't care WHEN they report them, as long as they report them
[15:41] <QueenVee> and there are quakes that USGS is simply NOT reporting
[15:41] <dave7> The STEFANI (Bazil) ones i'm using have been tested to remove 99.9% bacteria & 99.7% lead
[15:42] <QueenVee> in answer to somone's question above, yes, Tuatha who runs the Earthchanges listserve gets after USGS and has actually got them to list unreported quakes -- like, weeks after they occurred....
[15:42] <reticuli> it would be interesting to see what they would say in response to them under/no reprting
[15:42] <dave7> They use a silver coloidal treatment
[15:42] <QueenVee> ret: according to Tuatha, they say they're "understaffed"....
[15:42] <reticuli> LOL
[15:42] <islander> I use the seismic logs at the canadian site for indicators of something big globally and then cross check
[15:43] <QueenVee> islander: how does the canadian site compare to the USGS site?
[15:43] <reticuli> "it takes more manpower to enter a 6 point quake as oppopsed to a 5 point one" hehe
[15:44] <QueenVee> hehe
[15:44] <dave7> Walt, EC?
[15:44] <walt> earth changes
[15:44] <dave7> OK
[15:44] <islander> they cross reference and link but you definitely know when there is a big one somewhere, by the response by stations you could probably guess the location
[15:45] <karmie1> The link I just posted has many sites that can be clicked on for earthquake data - not just USGS
[15:45] <islander> here is the link to the seismograph logs: http://www.seismo.nrcan.gc.ca/cgi-bin/hplot_e.html
[15:46] <QueenVee> islander: will you do me a favour and look to see whether they reported the 6.4 iraq quake?
[15:48] <islander> theres no international listings but they give a lot of international links....checking
[15:52] <islander> international Seismological centre  http://www.isc.ac.uk/
[15:53] <QueenVee> mmmm, don't see where the daily earthquake reports are on that site, islander....
[15:53] <karmie1> this UK link shows Iran yesterday as a 4.6 - http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/quakexe/quakes
[15:54] <islander> I don't either, it goes into specific data search
[15:54] <QueenVee> karmie: i don't see ANY report of a quake in iraq on that site
[15:55] <QueenVee> though there is a 4.6 quake reported for IRAN....
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[15:55] <karmie1> you are right - no iraq
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[15:58] <karmie1> Red Puma only has Iran also - no iraq
[15:58] <West_coast> QV: nothing on INA either (Iraq News Agency)
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[15:59] <QueenVee> WC: gotta link for that?
[15:59] <West_coast> yes, hold on a sec
[15:59] <QueenVee> i'm starting to wonder if this is some error on the European quake site....
[16:01] <islander> an amateur seismic link to india http://asc-india.org/recent.htm
[16:01] <West_coast> www.uruklink.net/iraqnews/eindex.htm
[16:01] <QueenVee> yeah, just found that; that looks like some kind of govt propaganda arm...
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[16:02] <QueenVee> anyhoo, ive got to move my computer, reboot, be right back
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[16:03] <West_coast> hey red
[16:03] <hysterix> brb
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[16:04] <Red> Hiya WC   How goes it?
[16:04] <West_coast> going good, and you?
[16:05] <Red> good too, warm fron moved thru so we are outta the deep freeze for a couple days
[16:05] <Ogmios> http://www.iris.edu/seismon/
[16:05] <Red> Hey Og
[16:05] <Ogmios> hi red
[16:06] <karmie1> bbl
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[16:07] <Red> bbl
[16:07] <West_coast> bbl
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[16:08] <Ogmios> good night obany
[16:09] <obany> thank you ogmios
[16:09] <obany> bye
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[16:21] <islander> the closest link I could find is Iran itself http://www.iiees.ac.ir/English/eng_index.html but they've only updated to the 14th
[16:21] <islander> and this set of links http://orfeus.knmi.nl/other.services/seismobig.html
[16:21] <islander> no iraq quake found yet
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[16:27] <Ogmios> i go to sleep now..bye
[16:27] <islander> bye pg
[16:27] <islander> og
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[16:29] <QueenVee> hello DDMO -- what brings you to this room?
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[16:29] <DDMO> I wanted to see if people were discussing the weather changes and their relationship to the 12th planet
[16:29] <QueenVee> yes, that's one of the things we discuss here
[16:30] <QueenVee> DDMO: take note:
[16:30] <QueenVee> 'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
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[16:32] * QueenVee hums a little tune, waiting....
[16:32] <DDMO> I have browsed the website for around two years now as a lurker. I am interested in knowing what people are doing now that it seems close to the last minute. I will leave though if you fill I am an intruder.
[16:32] <QueenVee> why are you interested in knowing what people are doing?
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[16:33] <QueenVee> hello ygg
[16:33] <QueenVee> hm hm hm hmmmm
[16:34] <QueenVee> hm hhhhmmm hm
[16:34] <QueenVee> hmm hmm hm hm
[16:34] <yggdrasil> herro
[16:34] <Red> hiya ygg
[16:34] <QueenVee> bye DDMO
[16:34] <yggdrasil> herro
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[16:35] <islander> it's gone quiet again
[16:35] <Red> Hey Islander
[16:35] <islander> hi red
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[16:36] <QueenVee> i hate tourists
[16:36] <Red> Interesting... the "coming pole shift" must have hit the news... I have heard it mentioned several times this week in chats about the weather
[16:36] <QueenVee> really?
[16:36] <QueenVee> chats where?
[16:36] <Red> yeah...   stock boy at the grocery store and a gal waiting tables on the way home last week
[16:37] <Red> real people
[16:37] <QueenVee> very interesting
[16:37] <QueenVee> lol, yeah, normal people
[16:37] <Red> lol
[16:37] <Red> well... you haven't met the stockboy
[16:38] <QueenVee> i wonder if that will increasingly become the case
[16:39] <islander> can't stop runors, we'll know its spreading when it hits the Enquirer
[16:39] <islander> rumors
[16:40] <QueenVee> lol
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[16:53] <ojabun> any alive?
[16:53] <islander> barely
[16:53] <islander> its a quiet friday eve
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[17:07] <QueenVee> hi febus
[17:07] <QueenVee> fetus that is
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[17:10] <DoloresE> hello to all
[17:10] <Red> Hey Dolores
[17:10] <DoloresE> hi red
[17:11] <DoloresE> whats up
[17:11] <Red> not a lot here   how about with you?
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[17:11] <DoloresE> about the same here
[17:11] <QueenVee> hello Dolores
[17:12] <DoloresE> hi queen
[17:12] <DoloresE> taking it a day at a time ..red
[17:13] <DoloresE> awful quiet in here
[17:13] <Red> sounds like home Dolores
[17:13] <Red> yeah not much chat for the past while
[17:14] <DoloresE> yeah .. here too
[17:14] <DoloresE> well i haven't been here in awhile thought i missed something ..lol
[17:15] <Red> you may have... I haven't been on for a couple weeks either
[17:15] <Red> just got back a day or so ago so catching up as I can
[17:16] <DoloresE> where did you go ....red
[17:16] <Red> I was on a job throughout Alberta and BC   was kinda fun and saw some great country
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[17:17] <DoloresE> sounds good but COLD up there ..huh ?
[17:17] <Red> should have been but for the most part it was +0C and no snow!
[17:17] <DoloresE> wb walt
[17:18] <Red> even the island ( a virtual rain forrest ) was sunny and warm
[17:18] <DoloresE> well it sure is cold down this way and some snow too
[17:18] <Red> we are getting a little cold now and snow but still less than normal
[17:18] <Red> you don't generally get snow?
[17:19] <DoloresE> oh yes ... but this year so far more than ususal
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[17:19] <QueenVee> my mother yelled at me earlier from the other room that they're having snow in tennessee and north carolina...
[17:19] <DoloresE> alittle here ... alittle there
[17:19] <DoloresE> that way last night queen
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[17:20] <DoloresE> we got the tail end of it last night
[17:20] <Red> yeah HBO said some 6" in TN in places... crazy
[17:20] <Danvaldan> hola
[17:20] <QueenVee> hello Dan
[17:20] <DoloresE> hi dan
[17:20] <Danvaldan> thought I's see what the late night crowd is up to..
[17:20] <DoloresE> temps going down to about 6 degrees tonite
[17:21] <Danvaldan> we had 5 inches show - most of it melted today though
[17:21] <Danvaldan> snow...
[17:22] <DoloresE> where dan ?
[17:22] <Danvaldan> Richmond VA
[17:22] <DoloresE> oh ok ... we got the tail ean of that one
[17:22] <DoloresE> end
[17:22] <Danvaldan> where are you??
[17:22] <DoloresE> southeastern PA
[17:23] <Danvaldan> ah -
[17:23] <Danvaldan> we have Wawa here now...
[17:23] <DoloresE> WAweeeeeeee
[17:23] <DoloresE> lol
[17:23] <Danvaldan> good subs - yum - had for lunch
[17:24] <DoloresE> I always say ... going to the Waeeeeee for whatever
[17:24] <Danvaldan> hahah
[17:24] <DoloresE> hehe
[17:24] <DoloresE> do you have Turkey Hill ?
[17:25] <Danvaldan> no - never heard of it -
[17:25] <DoloresE> about the same as the WAwa
[17:25] <Danvaldan> heh -
[17:25] <DoloresE> good lic cream
[17:25] <DoloresE> ice
[17:25] <Danvaldan> lic cream...
[17:26] <DoloresE> thats something I will miss
[17:26] <Danvaldan> ah.... hey QV do you recall my Q on eclipses?
[17:27] <Danvaldan> heh - well
[17:28] <DoloresE> what was the question Dan
[17:28] <Danvaldan> well there are 2 eclipses in May - one on the 15th and one at the end of the month
[17:28] <QueenVee> dan, yes, i do
[17:28] <QueenVee> i didn't see what possible connection the eclipses would play in the poleshift....
[17:29] <QueenVee> could you restate your question here, for everyone else's benefit?
[17:29] <DoloresE> please do Dan
[17:29] <Danvaldan> I am wondering how they affect or IF they affect the timing of the shift.
[17:29] <DoloresE> I would think it would be the opposite
[17:29] <Danvaldan> I am not sure but it seems rare to have 2 eclipses in one month?
[17:30] <DoloresE> the shift could effect the eclipses
[17:30] <DoloresE> or our view of them
[17:31] <Danvaldan> Also I wonder how the alignment of Earth/Moon after the shift will affect tides -
[17:31] <Danvaldan> and... will the Moon itself be affected by the shift
[17:32] <QueenVee> Dan: an eclipse is simply caused by one planet passing in front of another....
[17:33] <Danvaldan> The only part of this that directly relates to aftertime is the tides one.
[17:33] <QueenVee> how so?
[17:33] <Danvaldan> Well for those in the aftertime knowing what to expect from tides could be helpful? ??
[17:34] <QueenVee> Dan: how would the eclipses be connected to tides?
[17:34] <DoloresE> think Dan may be saying will the moon be affected also whic could affect the tides
[17:34] <Danvaldan> right
[17:35] <Danvaldan> three seperate things -
[17:35] <DoloresE> thank you dan
[17:35] <Danvaldan> eclipses: shift trigger?
[17:35] <Danvaldan> moon: affected by shift?
[17:35] <Danvaldan> tides: different in aftertime?
[17:36] <QueenVee> Dan: obviously the eclipses are not going to trigger the shift. PX is going to trigger the shift.
[17:36] <QueenVee> in what way would you expect the moon to be "affected by the shift"?
[17:36] <Danvaldan> Timing is a little coincidental
[17:36] <QueenVee> so?
[17:36] <Danvaldan> moon could be pulled away or something - orbit shifted
[17:37] <DoloresE> what i was thinking
[17:37] <QueenVee> dan: have you done a search of the zetatalk site under the key words eclipse or tides?
[17:37] <Danvaldan> nope - hold on
[17:37] <QueenVee> OKAY, that i can answer. ZT has already stated that the shift will not affect the moon in any way.
[17:38] <DoloresE> hmmmmmmm
[17:39] <DoloresE> if the shift can affect the earth and other planets why not the moon ??
[17:39] <DoloresE> thats the question I have
[17:40] <QueenVee> read: http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p35.htm
[17:41] <Danvaldan> hmm
[17:42] <Danvaldan> I am not seeing anything about tides in the aftertime - there are alot of hits on tides though
[17:42] <Danvaldan> same on eclipses
[17:43] <Danvaldan> I dunno -
[17:44] <DoloresE> queen ... i get a 404 on that page
[17:45] <QueenVee> i don't
[17:45] <Danvaldan> I got it fine - you must be thinging about Wawa
[17:46] <DoloresE> hehe
[17:47] <Danvaldan> is it mountainous in your area D?
[17:48] <DoloresE> no mountains ...rolling hills
[17:48] <Danvaldan> ah - pretty much the same here - 1.5 hr from the mountains - 1.5 hr from coast
[17:49] <DoloresE> about the same here too as far as timing
[17:50] <DoloresE> closer to the Delaware Bay & Chesappeak Bay
[17:51] <DoloresE> too close I might add
[17:51] <Danvaldan> theres alot of food in that bay -
[17:51] <Danvaldan> I wonder how crabs will fare in the aftertime..
[17:52] <DoloresE> love crabs
[17:52] <Danvaldan> me too
[17:52] <DoloresE> and lobster
[17:52] <DoloresE>  and shrimp
[17:52] <Danvaldan>  - mm - not much on lobster -
[17:52] <Danvaldan> shrimp yes
[17:52] <DoloresE> thats the best .. lobster
[17:52] <Red> you know... those are just big bugs...   time to broaden the menu/  ;)
[17:52] <Danvaldan> too rich for me
[17:53] <DoloresE> lol
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[17:53] <Danvaldan> hiya hummer
[17:53] <DoloresE> hello humvee
[17:53] <humvee> hi the4re hows it
[17:53] <Danvaldan> well folks - off to eat 3 bean chilli
[17:53] <Danvaldan> nice to meet you D
[17:53] <humvee> power food!
[17:53] <DoloresE> yummy
[17:54] <DoloresE> same here dan
[17:54] <Red> see ya dan...    time for me to bail too    cheers!
[17:54] <Danvaldan> later QV, and all ye else!
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[17:54] <DoloresE> laters got to run also .... have a good evening
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[17:56] <humvee> QueenVee: did you get 2 look @ the viewing group pittures
[17:56] <humvee> pictures
[17:56] <QueenVee> observer: no observering/lurking allowed in this channel
[17:57] <QueenVee> humvee: yes, i did. they make no more sense to me than previous pics have.
[17:57] <observer> well, I only have a few min, so no time for a real discussion
[17:57] <QueenVee> okay, bye
[17:57] <observer> just wanted to catch up on news
[17:58] <humvee> they look 4 the first time like photos not jus dots
[17:58] <QueenVee> observer: do we know you?
[17:58] <observer> probably not
[17:58] <QueenVee> right, so what news do you expect to find here?
[17:59] <observer> just any ZT stuff not yet on the site
[17:59] <QueenVee> all the news is on the site
[17:59] <humvee> i hav not heard anything from the viewing group but the one seems 2 show 26 moons or pieces of large junk traveling with px if I am interptg correctly - what do u think
[17:59] <QueenVee>  'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
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[18:00] <QueenVee> yes, that's how it's being interpreted...
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[18:01] <humvee> there is quite a spread of objects like playing russian roulet as px passes
[18:02] <humvee> not LOL this time
[18:02] <QueenVee> i have absolutely nothing to contribute to any discussion about the pics
[18:04] <humvee> me neither as I have yet to be able to look "There" myself but everyone here awaits that the team posts
[18:04] <islander> just keep applauding their efforts
[18:05] <islander> its a lot of hours they are putting in
[18:05] <humvee> we r all looking @ maps of eastern states n canada spread on the floor tonite
[18:05] <QueenVee> oh yes, i concur....
[18:06] <humvee> our dad cant get family into usa in less than 1 1/2 yrs but they can visit him on vacation 2 canada as tourism is promoted for less than 3 month stays
[18:06] <yggdrasil> is there new picturs?
[18:07] <humvee> he is thinking of getting a cabin near one of the parks areas in e. canada
[18:07] <humvee> yes go 2 the rouge planet page
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[18:08] <humvee> hello karmie
[18:08] <karmie> hum - hi
[18:10] <humvee> going 2 store - brb
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[18:11] <karmie> bb later
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[18:23] <West_coast> hello
[18:23] <QueenVee> hi wc
[18:23] <West_coast> quiet evening?
[18:24] <QueenVee> yeah
[18:24] <West_coast> did you find info on EQ in Iraq?
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[18:24] <West_coast> hi JG
[18:25] <JG> hello
[18:26] <West_coast> JG: where in the world are you?
[18:26] <JG> Missouri
[18:27] <West_coast> cold there?
[18:27] <JG> temperature right now is 10F
[18:27] <QueenVee> hello JG
[18:28] <JG> hello Queen
[18:28] <West_coast> lots of snow in Tennesee, I see
[18:29] <QueenVee> yes, so i hear
[18:30] <JG> where you at West_coast
[18:30] <West_coast> Washington State, near Bellingham
[18:31] <JG> was there earthquakes up there recently?
[18:31] <West_coast> not that I have felt or heard about
[18:31] <JG> read something about off the coast of Oregon
[18:32] <West_coast> yes, I saw that, too
[18:32] <QueenVee> yeah, big quakes off the ocast of oregon and washington: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=151
[18:32] <JG> keeping a close eye on Yellowstone
[18:34] <West_coast> Volcanoes seem to be getting more active, all the time
[18:34] <QueenVee> yep
[18:34] <West_coast> Mt. Baker is only 60 miles away from me
[18:35] <West_coast> not active in recent memory, but who knows
[18:35] <JG> heard its been quiet until recently, they say were due for a 7.0 or greater
[18:35] <West_coast> where you are?
[18:36] <JG> Missouri, but I'm talking about USA in general
[18:37] <West_coast> so, are you staying in Missouri for the shift?
[18:37] <QueenVee> A recent poll tells us that one in two Americans now believe Saddam was responsible for the attack on the World Trade Center…
[18:37] <JG> dont know....dont know what to do
[18:37] <islander> WC do you keep an eye an the live shake info for the Baker?
[18:37] <QueenVee> How Bush and his junta succeeded in deflecting America's anger from bin Laden to Saddam Hussein is one of the great public relations conjuring tricks of history…
[18:38] <West_coast> QV: pretty smooth operation, I think
[18:39] <QueenVee> unbelievable
[18:39] <West_coast> Islander: haven't been tracking it
[18:40] <islander> would you like a link?
[18:40] <West_coast> JG: Are you up to speed o