Session Start: Mon Jan 20 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
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[00:00] <hummer> become the object of future archeologists
[00:00] <Ixtalan> lol
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[00:00] <islander> how would they interpret the findings
[00:01] <Ixtalan> well we better make sure that they wash their hands after playing with their bones....I am sure the scum will still be there after a few thousand years
[00:01] <Ixtalan> what findings?
[00:01] <Muggadah> big head criters full of shit
[00:01] <Ixtalan> I would like to not belive that people actually look up to these slime
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[00:03] <Ixtalan> ...
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[00:14] <islander> gnite all
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[00:41] <hummer> heool rnthomas
[00:41] <hummer> hello
[00:43] <rnthomas> hi hummer.. just hookin a vcr up   back in a bit..
[00:44] <hummer> ok
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[00:45] <hummer> hello obany
[00:53] <rnthomas> We picked up some old movies from the video store, one of em jammed up the VCR, so we just cleaned it up...
[00:53] <hummer> oh yea the ol open the vcr box thing
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[00:54] <hummer> hello creaton
[00:54] <creaton> hi
[00:55] <hummer> I saw you here a bit earlier
[00:55] <rnthomas> So just finishin all that stuff off...
[00:55] <creaton> ya i think i have seen you before too
[00:55] <hummer> good movies
[00:55] <rnthomas> Looks like it all works quite well...
[00:55] <rnthomas> SkullDuggary was what we were watching...
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[00:56] <hummer> oh
[00:56] <rnthomas> It's an OLDE ancient movie...
[00:56] <hummer> clasics r good soon all will b
[00:56] <rnthomas> I hear ya there....
[00:57] <hummer> things r heaTING UP I C
[00:57] <hummer> caps lo
[00:57] <rnthomas> Heating up... I haven't been on at all today...
[00:58] <rnthomas> What did I miss...
[00:58] <hummer> the hazelwood/jim mccanney duo r blasting away complete w/attack on zt web site
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[00:59] <johnnie5> back all.
[00:59] <hummer> want it taken down n r using fake isp 2 jamb server
[00:59] <johnnie5> ?
[01:00] <rnthomas> Well, i've seen how Steve collects the imaged, and been to his place and talked to him personally... The Nasa file thing is B.S. in my humble opinion...
[01:00] <hummer> listened 2 his radio show was mostly debunk re zt
[01:00] <rnthomas> What radio show are you refering, can I listen to it?
[01:00] <hummer> he stole most o his ideas n now selling zt materals
[01:01] <johnnie5> god love you, thomas. humble is a good thing.
[01:01] <hummer> one moment i will post url - brb
[01:01] <rnthomas> He even tells you where he stole the ideas from... He's not hiding it....
[01:01] <rnthomas> Hey johnnie5 - How ya doin...
[01:02] <johnnie5> ok
[01:02] <rnthomas> coowel...What's your thoughts on all this...
[01:03] <hummer> http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/
[01:03] <hummer> just clikc on the last thurs show 16th jan i think
[01:04] <johnnie5> my thoughts are documented. although...
[01:04] <rnthomas> Hummer - Coowel!  Thanks...   johnnie5 - Your thoughts are documented, guess I missed em...
[01:05] <johnnie5> chat logs, or something.
[01:05] <johnnie5> i didn't know.
[01:05] <rnthomas> Fraid I don't keep all that many.... Sorry!
[01:05] <hummer> says alot of things planet x and my pamphlet gives safe places how to get through the shift n make ur new calendar
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[01:06] <hummer> hi IaNZ
[01:06] <IaNZ> Hi Hummer..hows Kauai?
[01:07] <IaNZ> What are you chatting about?
[01:07] <hummer> he looked @ sky n said he saw no px but didnt read site enough 2 find out how Steveh is viewing it w/20min exposeurs red filter etc
[01:08] <hummer> Kauai is good IaNZ
[01:08] <IaNZ> Sorry Hummer.. youre not humvee....
[01:08] <johnnie5> hubby
[01:08] <IaNZ> Or are u?
[01:08] <johnnie5> hubby
[01:08] <rnthomas> IanZ - Nothing too solid...  Just yakkin about hazlwood etc...
[01:09] <hummer> we r chat re jim Mccanney show plajerized books n debunking the scorce of his materials
[01:09] <IaNZ> Not up to speed on that
[01:09] <hummer> a scientist sleezball
[01:10] <hummer> interesting as his material comes fm zt but is claiming it 4 himself
[01:10] <IaNZ>  Thought this weeks poleshiftchat was good... more zeta telling it tough.
[01:10] <hummer> then wants to have zt site taken down LOL
[01:10] <rnthomas> Well I'm up to speed enough to take sides on this, I like to check em both out...  
[01:11] <IaNZ> Like kill or eat your pets??   Pretty rough...
[01:11] <hummer> good
[01:11] <rnthomas> Besides, I'm kinda suprised that they went this way given how long they've been supporting the ZT site...
[01:11] <hummer> we r going to MN w/ 2 suitcases and our CAT
[01:12] <IaNZ> I'm keeping my dog.. a dinamite hunter.
[01:12] <hummer> true but they got bounced this last week Nancy saw r senced they turned on her
[01:13] <hummer> they r already persona non grata anyway
[01:13] <rnthomas> Mind you, I think we're getting sufficiently off topic here for this particular IRC channel...
[01:13] <hummer> yea - i dont think u dump ur animal friends because they r a bit stressed out
[01:14] <johnnie5> i don't trust either of 'em.  my personal feelings, is all. humm...
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[01:14] <hummer> bringing lost o Spam will taste better than skinny cat anyway LOL
[01:14] <IaNZ> t's feeding them thats a prob.
[01:15] <IaNZ> But if they pull their weight in some way
[01:15] <IaNZ>  Then they should stay... like a watchdog, or a mouse cat.. or a friend in times of stress..
[01:16] <hummer> yes but ealier is was op n everybody was listening to the archive 2 get up 2 speed as Nancy kicked the 2 of them off #ZT dics as it was getting started  then the news story re steveh / nasa came from them
[01:16] <IaNZ> Hunter/gatherer societies ofthen have dogs.
[01:17] <hummer> all the last weeks critism is from them as i found all of the junk on mark's site
[01:18] <hummer> IaNZ  animals 100 years ago were most imp & will b again
[01:19] <hummer> The first thing I m doing wen we get 2 MN is 2 get 2 good dogs
[01:19] <hummer> is a hunting / fishing area
[01:19] <IaNZ> Yes.. I think so too.. look back 100yrs, or 150, and see how it was done... and plan for that..
[01:20] <hummer> I will hone my skills with my quiet cross bow  (ammo is reusable)
[01:20] <IaNZ> I was in a local museum today.. and there was a hand grain grinder.. almost identical to the Colombian one I just bought new!
[01:21] <hummer> hav not fished f years - yes we r getting a hand mill to
[01:22] <hummer> i m attempting to order food we will actually want 2 eat
[01:22] <hummer> ppl think pinto beans r it - ugg
[01:22] <IaNZ> We went net fishing yesterday.. and got 7 flounder,  today got clams and some wild mushrooms, which we just ate..
[01:23] <hummer> wow sounds good we r still in hawaii n 1 month work 2 relocate then will do the woods thing
[01:23] <IaNZ> Well, u have to consider what will store, and what is cheap too... beans and corn..
[01:24] <hummer> yes  just that ppl think they will eat only that dont eat any of it now
[01:24] <IaNZ> Big move, I hope it works.
[01:25] <hummer> beans to sprout n in soup lots o good recip
[01:25] <IaNZ> We just ate some adzuki beans.. ist time.. they were OK... no gas!!
[01:26] <hummer> well u get tickets n get off @ min/stpaul airport  then r dad is there w/cabin already
[01:26] <IaNZ> We plan to keep trying... so we wont get a surprise...food we dont like.
[01:27] <IaNZ> Thats nice of dad....my dad helped buy our farm.. and worked here in his retirement yrs.  Taught me a lot.
[01:27] <hummer> wen i lived @ wholistic health inst in Santa Cruz ca everyone had 2 eat Adzuki beand n rice 1st days to ground then out fm previous city diets they were use to
[01:28] <hummer> so they were always on the stove   just add a few steamed vegies and an excelent ballenced diet - LO
[01:29] <IaNZ> Where in SC was that hummer?
[01:29] <IaNZ> We have a frind here.. from santa cruz.
[01:30] <hummer> yes wife's dad is a walking encyclopedia on growing and contrivances
[01:30] <hummer> who?
[01:30] <IaNZ> Don Dunton
[01:31] <IaNZ> Not that small a world..???
[01:31] <hummer> I was there 10 yrs ago didnt run into him but prob know some ppl
[01:31] <hummer> i taught @ cabrillo College (electricity n solar energy)
[01:32] <IaNZ> Where in SC?
[01:32] <IaNZ> He knows that.
[01:32] <hummer> Aptos by the beach
[01:32] <IaNZ>   I looked at solar energy.. but am going hydro
[01:33] <hummer> yes shud be open to all
[01:33] <hummer> i m usinf water wheel less 2 break
[01:34] <hummer> stainless steel sheets 2 collect sun 4 small pv panet 2 charge up bat run lite n laptop
[01:34] <hummer> home make prarie wood wind mill t run things pums etc
[01:34] <IaNZ> May not be enough sun for solar... thats y hydro..
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[01:35] <hummer> yes sun = 40% so if mirror or metal reflector like flowers do u collect the sun
[01:35] <IaNZ> Hi Richard!!!  I'm back..
[01:36] <Richard> hi Ian
[01:36] <hummer> can use roll o tin foil even
[01:36] <Richard> see Mongolia had a 6.6 quake today
[01:36] <IaNZ> Good thinking...solar is so much easier...
[01:36] <hummer> lets use all that works 4 us
[01:37] <obaway> hi i will go in a minut ..
[01:37] <Richard> you buy more internet time Ian?
[01:37] <IaNZ> No didn't see that R, did u feel the one here last week
[01:37] <Richard> no
[01:37] <Richard> was that the one in Wellington?
[01:37] <IaNZ> No, my a/c  rolled over
[01:38] <Richard> that's good
[01:38] <IaNZ> I dont know.. it was felt here... but I missed it..
[01:38] <Richard> don't seen to feel many quakes here in Ham Town
[01:38] <Richard> so far
[01:39] <Richard> I was here this afternoon as well
[01:40] <Richard> can't stay away
[01:40] * obaway is a bit stressed, have to talk about a job .. while i will go away ...  and if i tell them no i have to tell them the reason too ... wich is wel personal
[01:40] <obaway> so it's nasty
[01:40] <obaway> so i feel a little drained :/
[01:40] <obaway> stressed
[01:40] <Richard> you need a job or new job?
[01:41] <obaway> well they say to me that i should work longer ... but if i will do that and well withing a short period of time i will say that i will go awa
[01:41] <Richard> I'm presently selling off my personal music collection to raise money
[01:41] <obaway> doubt taht they would like that
[01:41] <Richard> its the double life thingie
[01:41] <obaway> i know
[01:41] <obaway> anyway laters
[01:41] <Richard> I'm in same boat
[01:42] <Richard> take care
[01:42] <Richard> Ian are you going to stay put?
[01:43] <Richard> suppose you can't really go elsewhere because of animals
[01:43] <IaNZ> I have to say.. the whole poleshift/double life thing is a bit paralizing
[01:44] <Richard> it can be
[01:44] <Richard> we are treating it as going on a holiday
[01:44] <hummer> IaNZ do u share with ppl u meet re px?
[01:45] <Richard> if it doesn't happen enough food to last a l o n g time
[01:45] <IaNZ> I think we have worked out that we are safe.
[01:45] <hummer> rich r familly is so neg repx we r now saying we r going on vacation feb 28 wen we talk of it
[01:45] <IaNZ> Just today I talked to some new people.. but normally I dont bring it up.
[01:45] <Richard> hope so Ian
[01:46] <Richard> yeah even bringing it up with family threw a spanner in the works
[01:46] <Richard> but at least its all out in the open now
[01:47] <hummer> I made some hi winds n tidal surge may 15th see r site www.shift2003.com/  i give out
[01:47] <IaNZ> Unless I think.. people are moving into the face of danger... when I think I have to tell them...moral obligation.
[01:47] <hummer> 4 per page on printer so i dont say much like u shud b aware of this
[01:48] <IaNZ> Like if a friend is planning to buy a beachfront property
[01:48] <Richard> I rehung a wall plate on our wall that reads "One day a perfectly normal couple went totally crazy"
[01:48] <hummer> most r receptive n they have the info "what where wen" even if no computer
[01:49] <Richard> has this couple doing some mad jig
[01:49] <Richard> :+)
[01:49] <hummer> most ppl r not ready 2 look @ zt  so send to QV site - LOL
[01:50] <IaNZ> I told my daughter in the USA to tell her boss that she has to leave.. because her dad is going crazy (sick)..
[01:50] <Richard> where are you hummer?
[01:50] <Richard> lol Ian
[01:50] <Richard> she coming home?
[01:50] <hummer> now in hawaii Kauai going 2 Minesota 28 feb
[01:50] <Richard> hummer are you humvee?
[01:51] <hummer> yes
[01:51] <Richard> lol
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[01:51] <IaNZ> Yes.. in Feb.. she was planning March... but I thought maybe too late... she is in California..
[01:51] <Richard> it could well be hard to travel by March
[01:51] <humvee> we moved 15 March date up to feb as too risky 2 wait
[01:52] <IaNZ> Interesting.. we are all the same crazy......
[01:52] <humvee> remember the panic starts 1 April 2003
[01:52] <Richard> see Britain is mobilizing its troops
[01:52] <Richard> what callous bastards
[01:52] <humvee> its nuts ok
[01:53] <Richard> people in UK are totally against war
[01:53] <humvee>  most here r 2 but washington dc is very isolated
[01:53] <IaNZ> I thought the zetas comments on polls were interesting
[01:53] <Richard> Ian: did you see in paper today our 4 Hercules are to get a refit
[01:53] <humvee> why?
[01:54] <Richard> getting old
[01:54] <humvee> oh most of fleet is old
[01:54] <humvee> we hav wars 2 unload aging bombs
[01:54] <Richard> even have windows falling out of them
[01:55] <Richard> turn the prop & the window falls out
[01:55] <humvee> my friend in desert flys his own dc3 what a glorious old pis of an airplane
[01:55] <humvee> pig
[01:56] <humvee> uses 5 gals of oil 2 fire up both engines
[01:56] <Richard> remember flying to Singapore as a kid in DC 3 or was it a CD 4
[01:56] <Richard> heck
[01:56] <humvee> douglas aircraft
[01:56] <Richard> I mean DC4
[01:56] <IaNZ> Just reading my paper.. been out all day...got some pippis!
[01:56] <Richard> haven't had pippis for years
[01:57] <humvee> ricky nelson my step bro in law musician was freebasing in his n blew himself up - NLOL
[01:57] <Richard> pippis = shellfish
[01:57] <Richard> ricky nelson is your bro in law?
[01:57] <IaNZ> We dont eat them much these days.. used to be a summer thing...
[01:58] <IaNZ> But practising all my survival skills.
[01:58] <humvee> well my step sister was june blair who married davis his brother so u figure it out
[01:58] <Richard> humvee: too complicated   :+)
[01:58] <humvee> daughter is in movies lately i think
[01:58] <humvee> i dont try lo
[01:59] <humvee> but u should not use slovents while flying inside an airplane is written on the plack on the wall plate i think - LOL
[02:00] <humvee> pretty dumb if u ask me
[02:00] <IaNZ> Rough times is Aussie.. fires.. sign of times..
[02:00] <Richard> Bristol Freighters are the worse for noise
[02:00] <Richard> Rough alright ian
[02:01] <humvee> they the ones who pick up water n dump on fires there
[02:01] <Richard> lol no
[02:01] <humvee> oh
[02:01] <IaNZ> Mostly choppers
[02:02] <Richard> only NZ maybe still has Bristol Freighters
[02:02] <humvee> oh
[02:02] <IaNZ> Aussies lost 400 houses.. and it's not over yet..
[02:02] <Richard> to be truthful it was 20+ years back when I flew in one
[02:02] <Richard> hope its not still in service
[02:03] <Richard> the noise was beyond threshhold level
[02:03] <humvee> me 2 except 1 in desert was short trip went up 500'asl the lost engine but made airport
[02:03] <IaNZ> I actually thought the skt was smokey here tonite..it's possible
[02:04] <Richard> Ian last few days sky here has had a slight red tinge to it
[02:04] <humvee> that much smoke prob goes all the way around
[02:04] <Richard> our wind direction comes from Australia humvee
[02:04] <IaNZ> Maybe red dust?????
[02:04] <Richard> that as well Ian
[02:05] <humvee> hope not px tail yet
[02:05] <Richard> priced out curved corrugated iron today
[02:05] <Richard> to make shelter
[02:05] <humvee> quanset hut
[02:05] <Richard> can erect one for NZ$300
[02:06] <humvee> exch rate now?
[02:06] <Richard> what the poms called Anderson Shelters (air raid shelter)
[02:06] <IaNZ> I bought some used at an auction...$30 for 20 sheets
[02:06] <Richard> that's approx US$150
[02:06] <Richard> thats bloody cheap Ian
[02:06] <Richard> was it curved?
[02:07] <humvee> 6x4.5x6 feet rite?
[02:07] <Richard> yep humvee
[02:07] <IaNZ> And I have a half round barn that I will wreck if I need to
[02:07] <Richard> need a deep hole for the barn ;+)
[02:07] <IaNZ>  Yes curved..from a barn..
[02:07] <Richard> argh!!
[02:08] <Richard> still what's $300 when money won't matter after
[02:08] <humvee> looks ok we r using similar but wire foam panel then cemented
[02:08] <IaNZ> Dont buy any.. come and help pull mine down in April
[02:08] <Richard> ok Ian
[02:08] <Richard> we need to talk some more
[02:09] <humvee> we ordered panels 4 customer then got our as commision no $
[02:09] <IaNZ> Yes.. I did call.. but u on net:-)
[02:09] <Richard> what's height of land you are on Ian?
[02:09] <humvee> 44x 4x8 x 4" thick has wire frame 2 put cement on
[02:10] <Richard> humvee: you transporting that to mainland?
[02:10] <IaNZ> Between50 and 200m
[02:10] <humvee> yes unfortunately came fm there now $ 2 ship back LOL
[02:11] <Richard> whats 200m converte to feet? anyone?
[02:11] <IaNZ> We have potential site at about 150m.
[02:11] <humvee> 200 meters 650'
[02:12] <humvee> 325'
[02:12] <humvee> meter is 39"
[02:12] <Richard> 650 ft just on border of height ?
[02:12] <Richard> needed for safty?
[02:12] <IaNZ> No.. I', confused... its 100m.. I keep trying to think in both..
[02:12] <humvee> for shift dist to sloshing ocean is factor
[02:13] <IaNZ> Zetas say..100miles ,200 ft.
[02:13] <humvee> then ocean rise 675' takes 2 years so np
[02:13] <Richard> we aren't far from sea either side of this country humvee
[02:13] <IaNZ> NZ rises 500ft
[02:13] <IaNZ> All rough figures
[02:13] <humvee> unless long shore in the way then will rise up - LO
[02:13] <Richard> the question is does the rise happen at the same time as the shift
[02:14] <humvee> we will bury structures
[02:14] <IaNZ> I actually asked Nancy that!! She says yes.... but it's a risky assumption...
[02:14] <humvee> but will pop up if completely covered with water = float
[02:15] <humvee> brb
[02:15] <Richard> we are going to survive this you guys
[02:15] <IaNZ> Even in Min HUmvee?? surely safe?
[02:16] <IaNZ> We are behind hills Richard.. a big safety factor
[02:16] <IaNZ>   But u have to use your own judgement.. and have some luck..
[02:17] <Richard> we have this thing about kaimai's but would love to come and help
[02:17] <Richard> would you be happy to meet up soon?
[02:17] <IaNZ> If our site is not safe.. then very few will survive..!!
[02:18] <IaNZ> Yes.. Ive thought about it.. and we should meet, and see what gells..
[02:18] <Richard> certainly ... this thing doesn't happen in everyones lifetime
[02:18] <Richard> :+)
[02:18] <IaNZ> I have made the offer to a few.. but no firm prospects
[02:19] <Richard> and certainly community afterwards will be a big factor for survival
[02:19] <IaNZ>  It's no use having a bunch of totally unprepared refugees breathlessy arriving on May15...
[02:19] <Richard> well after 17 years farming we are prepared to do everything possible
[02:20] <Richard> I will take care of my wife (diabetic)
[02:20] <IaNZ> Numbers and skills are part of the formula
[02:20] <Richard> we have talked among ourselves about death
[02:21] <Richard> and facing it
[02:21] <IaNZ> In some ways.. surviving the shift is easy... it's the next 2 yrs....
[02:21] <Richard> yes
[02:21] <Richard> we have been printing material out and putting it in a binder with plastic covers
[02:21] <IaNZ> Afraid that it will be  acommon thing...
[02:22] <Richard> some things will need to be referred back to
[02:22] <IaNZ>  As in the 1800s
[02:22] <IaNZ> I have a list too..
[02:22] <Richard> have you thought of survivors afterwards who will not have known what happened?
[02:22] <Richard> that will be the tough part of explaining
[02:22] <humvee> back - we r thinking as simple as posible re tech
[02:23] <humvee> the truly clueless ppl
[02:23] <IaNZ> Yes.. depends on media, govt etc
[02:23] <Richard> have you looked at windmill for power
[02:23] <Richard> apparently a gentle annie smart drive is supposed to be good for gearing
[02:24] <Richard> and that info came from the USA
[02:24] <IaNZ> Hydro... windmills need a lot of wind.. and intermittant..
[02:24] <humvee> rich r windmill is type used on prarie wood slow turning
[02:24] <humvee> right angle drive on top
[02:25] <Richard> so much to learn
[02:25] <humvee> if turning altenator will charge when turning
[02:25] <IaNZ> With steep hills and valleys.. hydro is on
[02:25] <Richard> what do you make the dam out of Ian?
[02:25] <humvee> we hav stream so wood water wheel
[02:25] <IaNZ>  But Humvee says solar with refelctors to increase efficiency.. good idea
[02:26] <Richard> cool humvee
[02:26] <Richard> solar? we won't be seeing any sun tho' !
[02:26] <humvee> yes i taught solar but dad pointed out stainless steel reflectors
[02:26] <Muggadah> does anybody know how to turn lime stone in to concrete
[02:26] <IaNZ> Small scale.. no dam.. just efficient uses
[02:27] <Richard> limestone is the glue agent
[02:27] <humvee> they grind/pound it into fine enough powder then will recrystalize hydrate
[02:27] <Richard> so from memory straw & clay
[02:27] <Muggadah> well into cement
[02:27] <Richard> plus limestone will make bricks
[02:28] <IaNZ> U have to heat it
[02:28] <humvee> what about mud straw walls 4 house w/big overhanging roofs
[02:28] <IaNZ> The Romans did it..so can be done..
[02:28] <Muggadah> will be in the tropics after the shift
[02:29] <IaNZ> NZ too.. open walled houses..
[02:29] <Muggadah> pacific islanders all have traditional buildings low to the ground
[02:29] <humvee> yes my dad is the chemist i seem 2 remember hi heat 2 dry out then powder it then when it rehydorlizes it binks all over into crystaline cement
[02:30] <Muggadah> the heat is only use to dry it ???
[02:31] <IaNZ> I lived in Samoa.. open walls .. with blinds that drop down for the rainy days.. and wind..
[02:31] <humvee> yes it drives out the bonded water from the molicules it in standard texts read in engineering class
[02:31] <Richard> The idea of a Cob house sounds good. Not sure if thay are suited to the tropics
[02:31] <Muggadah> ok
[02:31] <IaNZ> No.. it's a chemical reaction too... I'm sure it's in books...
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[02:31] <humvee> cement will not be as useful as cob walls yes
[02:31] <Muggadah> my hide away has lots of lime
[02:32] <humvee> mun n straw
[02:32] <Richard> well Cob made out of straw/clay
[02:32] <humvee> hi tbird
[02:32] <Richard> or dirt in place of clay
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[02:32] <IaNZ> Cement is high tech cf mud
[02:32] <humvee> mud is low tech
[02:32] <Richard> lol
[02:32] <Muggadah> thinking of dome structures after the shift
[02:33] <humvee> scrounging materials
[02:33] <IaNZ> I'm thinking of simple corrugated iron huts.  If not just plastic sheet..
[02:34] <humvee> we r burying some of it plywood n corregated metal
[02:34] <IaNZ> Yes.. plywood.  You may be moving locations.
[02:34] <Richard> I need a 4 wheel drive w/towball & trailer
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[02:35] <humvee> what r u going 2 run the 4wheel on?
[02:35] <Richard> no just to get to shift destination humvee
[02:35] <IaNZ> I have that Richard.
[02:35] <Muggadah> goty seven 4 wheel drives four vans .., all with trailers
[02:35] <Richard> current car has no towball
[02:35] <IaNZ> U tow the 4WD with oxen....
[02:35] <humvee> I just got on a biodiesel bulk buyers list 4 MN
[02:36] <Richard> Ian: lol
[02:36] <humvee> funny
[02:36] <Muggadah> thinking of a 10 ton pantech  also ,,, on master card
[02:36] <Richard> bloody heck
[02:36] <humvee> poor cc
[02:36] <Richard> I thought afterwards I'd just go on a walk about around the new land
[02:36] <Richard> no material possesions at all
[02:37] <IaNZ> I'm thinking of housetrucks.. quake resistant.. and mobile..
[02:37] <humvee> we r buying diesel truck they biodiesel in burry drumbs (dont tell qv)
[02:37] <Muggadah> we have lots of children in group to look after
[02:37] <Richard> plenty of housetrucks around the countryside Ian
[02:38] <Richard> how old are you Mugg?
[02:38] <Muggadah> 52 last saturday
[02:38] <IaNZ> Yes.. they dont have to be road cert.  Just mobile.
[02:38] <Richard> you still having children ;+)
[02:39] <Richard> 49 here
[02:39] <Muggadah> boy nis 3 girl is 6
[02:39] <Richard> bunch of old hippies methinks
[02:39] <Muggadah> :-)
[02:39] <Richard> and ain't nothing wrong with the hippies
[02:39] <humvee> we r still experimenting we will get it rite sooner r later - lol
[02:39] <IaNZ> The young people are too busy drinking..
[02:39] <Richard> should have listerned to them years ago
[02:40] <Muggadah> most have skills that will be helpful
[02:40] <Richard> and being boy racers Ian
[02:40] <IaNZ> I feel sorry for them tho.. going to be a big shock....
[02:40] <Richard> the alloy wheels on those cars are worth more than my whole car put together
[02:41] <Muggadah> sad but true
[02:41] <Richard> yes
[02:41] <IaNZ> My kids will be great tho.  I am letting them have a good time while they still can.
[02:42] <Richard> How many kids you have ian
[02:42] <IaNZ> But they will be OK post poleshift.  Strong, hard working.
[02:42] <IaNZ> 2, girl 24, boy 22.
[02:42] <Muggadah> got a few musician in group to keep up moral
[02:43] <Richard> hey cool Mugga
[02:43] <Richard> have three Ian 1 boy 2 girls
[02:43] <Muggadah> and crafts men to make instruments
[02:44] <Richard> i run a music label Mugga
[02:44] <Muggadah> cool
[02:44] <IaNZ> Actually.. late.. gotta go.. catch you all.. nice chat,, good luck with preps
[02:44] <Richard> like everything else its been going downhill since 9/11
[02:44] <Richard> later Ian
[02:44] <humvee> bue ianz
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[02:45] <Muggadah> bad here too tourist are slowing down more every day
[02:45] <Richard> Mugga: wonder if Daevid Allan will be in Australia for shift
[02:45] <Muggadah> bye ian
[02:45] <Muggadah> gone
[02:46] <Muggadah> who is he
[02:46] <Richard> founder of the band Gong
[02:46] <humvee> Kauai still has strong tourist coming but will trail off over the next few months
[02:46] <Richard> know of them?
[02:46] <Muggadah> ok
[02:46] <Muggadah> no
[02:46] <Richard> started about 1969
[02:46] <Richard> still tour today
[02:46] <Richard> original pot head pixies
[02:47] <Muggadah> cool
[02:47] <Richard> Daevid Allan is now about 66
[02:47] <Richard> Australia has completely overlooked the guy
[02:47] <Richard> he is an Australian by birth
[02:47] <Muggadah> seems like it
[02:48] <Richard> long white hair ... he;s like some old wizard
[02:49] <Richard> http://www.cranium.co.nz
[02:49] <Richard> that's me
[02:49] <Muggadah> ok i'll checkn it out
[02:50] <Muggadah> imperesive
[02:51] <Richard> have tryed to keep the true music spirit alive
[02:51] <Richard> these years
[02:51] <Muggadah> lookslike a mixture
[02:52] <Richard> mostly psychedelic/progressive/spacerock etc
[02:52] <Muggadah> mmm
[02:53] <Muggadah> i' still tone deaf
[02:53] <Richard> lol
[02:53] <Richard> that's right
[02:53] <Richard> well today I made a giant leap
[02:53] <humvee> cool u write the site
[02:53] <Richard> I put my private music collection up for sale
[02:54] <Muggadah> worth a quid
[02:54] <Richard> a friend is the webmaster
[02:54] <humvee> nice
[02:54] <Richard> he's been involved with computers since he was 12
[02:54] <Richard> now mid 30's
[02:54] <humvee> yea
[02:56] <Richard> well guys I'd better away. Its midnight here and work tomorrow
[02:56] <humvee> true 1pm here bye
[02:56] <Richard> don't want to fall asleep on the bicycle while delivering the mail
[02:56] <Richard> later
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[02:58] <Muggadah> ~
[02:59] <Muggadah> going surfing
[03:01] <humvee> bye
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[05:24] <from_Holland> hi
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[05:31] <Lato> hello people
[05:33] <from_Holland> hi
[05:33] <Lato> I guess this the place if I'm a believer?
[05:35] * from_Holland is now known as obany
[05:35] <obany> well yes
[05:35] <Lato> so what do we talk about?
[05:36] <obany> usualy people join in later, but bascily this is about discussion about preparing etc
[05:36] <obany> and you might check out the website of this channel: www.shift2003.com
[05:36] <Lato> I've done a little preparing, at least started. oh thankyou..
[05:37] <obany> good to hear ... and i see you are from Canada
[05:38] <Lato> yes very blustery day too.
[05:39] <Lato> good snow fall, the ski-doo'rs will be happy
[05:39] <obany> blustery ..and what does that mean ?
[05:39] <obany> English is not my native tongue
[05:39] <obany> =Dutch
[05:39] <Lato> cold windy
[05:39] <obany> aha
[05:40] <Lato> so what made you a believer?
[05:41] <obany> Lato: well i take it serious since more then 7 years .. from the moment i read about 2003 i take it serious
[05:41] <Lato> yes me I've been following it for 4 year now too
[05:41] <obany> and even before that .. knowing zetatalk since it well just started
[05:42] <Lato> but what made you certain that this may happen, what tipped the scale for you?
[05:43] <obany> some of it is personal, but well the signs etc too . way to much going on
[05:44] <Lato> for sure, lots hapening. I was not to sure up untill last August.
[05:46] <Lato> but then I had my own personal experience that changed me.
[05:46] <obany> aha ok
[05:48] <Lato> did you have other people around you that gave you support?
[05:48] <Lato> friends family?
[05:50] <Lato> sorry for all the questions I have not been able to talk openly to other people about this so you kinda the first.
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[05:51] <Lato> by by!
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[05:51] * tex-away have a good day obany
[05:51] <Lato> so anyone else please?
[05:52] <obany> i have talked to some others
[05:52] <obany> back
[05:53] <Lato> I have mentioned it to a friend, but the world I live in nobody seems to care.
[05:53] <obany> i understand that ...
[05:54] <Lato> or take the time to do the research, and find their own answers.
[05:54] <Lato> that is why I came here.
[05:55] <obany> well this is a good place especialy a little later during the day
[05:56] <Lato> ya well I work the night shift up here in canada and will be sleeping or working so I guess I will miss out
[05:56] <obany> well not realy usualy the one who owns this channel arrives during this time
[05:57] <obany> and a few hours earlier it was okay also
[05:57] <Lato> ah
[05:57] <obany> with some people from New Zeeland
[05:59] <Lato> this is good then I may not miss out..
[06:04] <obany> right right
[06:05] <Lato> blah blah .
[06:05] <Lato> just kidding
[06:07] <Lato> I can tell you my personal experience has be on going for 6 months
[06:08] <obany> okay okay .. well i have  to go in a few min to my part time job that is
[06:09] <Lato> oh well thank for listening
[06:09] <Lato> bye bye
[06:09] <obany> else i would have spoken longer to you ..
[06:09] <Lato> that's ok
[06:09] <Lato> seeya around?
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[07:40] <QueenVee> hello obany
[07:40] <QueenVee> 7.5 quake in solomon islands
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[07:52] <QueenVee> hi tex
[07:52] <QueenVee> hear about the 7.5 quake in solomon islands?
[07:56] <QueenVee> why is no one talking to me today?
[07:56] <QueenVee> what i do?
[07:57] <QueenVee> mmmm
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[07:57] <QueenVee> hello stevie
[07:57] <stevie> brb.......phone
[08:00] <stevie> got to go.....bye
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[08:27] <QueenVee> hello Dan
[08:27] <Danvaldan> hi all
[08:27] <QueenVee> did you hear about the 7.5 quake in the solomon islands?
[08:27] <Danvaldan> man - Soloman islands....
[08:27] <QueenVee> 6.6. quake in caroline islands?
[08:27] <Danvaldan> yes - yes - that site you posted is VERY good
[08:28] <Danvaldan> I saw one report that the Soloman one was 7.8 -
[08:28] <Danvaldan> sounds like that area is somewhat uninhabited  -
[08:28] <QueenVee> wouldn't surprise me
[08:28] <Danvaldan> tsunami alret cancelled
[08:28] <QueenVee> yeah
[08:29] <Danvaldan> I never got any folloup on the Hinshu quake(s) or the Iraq one
[08:29] <Danvaldan> frustrating
[08:29] <Danvaldan> (but hey, thats my middle name...)
[08:29] <QueenVee> yeah, it's a mysery
[08:29] <Danvaldan> you doing ok?
[08:31] <QueenVee> yeah, im good, quite chilled at the moment
[08:31] <QueenVee> was out with the dog for a couple of hours, in very cold weather
[08:31] <Danvaldan> really? its nice and sunny here - chilly but nice - snow melting...
[08:31] <QueenVee> oh, it's very sunny here too, fresh fallen snow, very pretty
[08:32] <QueenVee> but COLD
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[08:33] <QueenVee> hello dave7
[08:33] <Danvaldan> hi dave
[08:33] <dave7> Hi Queen
[08:33] <QueenVee> hear about the 7.5 quake in solomon islands?
[08:33] <dave7> Yeh
[08:33] <Danvaldan> I gotta go QV - take care
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[08:34] <dave7> Just got your link to bbc on fires
[08:34] <QueenVee> terrible
[08:34] <dave7> Too close
[08:35] <dave7> My daughters partner is up that way doing back burns
[08:36] <QueenVee> back burns?
[08:37] <dave7> The grass is only 1/2" high but when conditions are extreme it's like there is inflamable liquid on ground & flames just run
[08:38] <dave7> Back burns (fight fire with fire)
[08:38] <QueenVee> i see
[08:39] <QueenVee> dave: are you anywhere near the fires?
[08:39] <dave7> He's a fire fighter with Gov.
[08:39] <QueenVee> dangerous work
[08:39] <dave7> The smoke was really strong here today
[08:40] <QueenVee> how many miles away are you?
[08:40] <dave7> About 100 miles away
[08:40] <QueenVee> too close for comfort....
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[08:41] <dave7> There's 3 fires in north east Victoria
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[08:41] <QueenVee> hi rn
[08:41] <RTHOMAS> !kick rnthomas May as well lose the other me! lol
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[08:41] <QueenVee> hear about the 7.5 quake in solomon islands?
[08:41] <RTHOMAS> Nope, just woke up...  At work now... Good Mornin...
[08:41] <QueenVee> RN: stop kicking yourself
[08:41] <QueenVee> morning: check out my site: www.shift2003.com
[08:42] <RTHOMAS> He he!   Figured it's best to keep the number of Me's online to a dull roar!
[08:42] <dave7> Was looking at quake history of Solomons. They are getting steaderly bigger
[08:43] <QueenVee> dave: yes, exactly. yet you will repeated hear the news reports saying "well, quakes are quite common in that region...."
[08:44] <dave7> News coverage hear is dismal. Your site leaves them for dead
[08:44] <QueenVee> hehe
[08:45] <dave7> They said 7.8 tonite on sbs tv
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[08:46] <dave7> No news about what happened at all
[08:46] <QueenVee> yeah, i'm hearing 7.8 too; yet US press reports only 7.4....
[08:47] <dave7> They said worst in 30 years
[08:48] <QueenVee> lol, USGS reports it as a 7.2
[08:50] <dave7> Those 3 fires in north east Vic. The lightening that started them woke me up as it went past. Very LOUD and scarry, dont remember DRY storm like that before
[08:52] <dave7> Tommorrow they are expecting exstreme weather again because of strong wind
[08:52] <QueenVee> wow
[08:53] <dave7> They just retreat and let it do it's stuff
[08:54] <dave7> The smoke was so thick here today that people thought the fire was here
[08:55] <QueenVee> are people having respiratory problems?
[08:55] <dave7> OK had another big win today for me
[08:56] <dave7> Learned how to repair/recondition zippers
[08:56] <QueenVee> congrats
[08:57] <dave7> Got a second hand tent for $15 and made the broken zippers work like new. Plus fixed all other zips
[08:57] <dave7> SHELTER
[08:57] <QueenVee> EXCELLENT!
[08:58] <QueenVee> have you tested it for leaks yet?
[08:59] <dave7> Its got a cotton inner which BREATHS. Got it for Daughter and her fire fighting partner
[08:59] <dave7> Tommorrow
[08:59] <dave7> Washed it twice so it looks new for them
[09:00] <QueenVee> what a great dad you are!
[09:00] <dave7> Fly looks ok
[09:00] <QueenVee> hope your daughter appreciates you
[09:01] <dave7> ITs a 8ft square dome
[09:01] <dave7> We all love each other a lot
[09:02] <dave7> No money in our family to fight over
[09:02] <QueenVee> lol
[09:03] <dave7> My goggies have been really well behaved laterly
[09:03] <dave7> Doggies
[09:05] <QueenVee> you're the guy with 7 doggies, right?
[09:05] <dave7> Gaia showed my a rats nest in an old car wreak
[09:05] <dave7> Yep
[09:05] <QueenVee> good girl!
[09:05] <QueenVee> did i tell you that Henry killed a racoon the other day?
[09:05] <dave7> She is the best with rabbits also
[09:06] <dave7> Its in their nature
[09:06] <QueenVee> yes, i know; but it was upsetting to watch
[09:06] <QueenVee> he appeared to choke it to death with his jaws
[09:07] <dave7> The law of nature = if you dont eat it , something else will.
[09:07] <dave7> i would have cooked it for him
[09:07] <QueenVee> well, as you know, i got a hound on purpose for hunting skills in the aftertime, so i'm not complaining....
[09:08] <yggdrasil> if you dont eat it u probobly should have
[09:08] <QueenVee> dave7: you've eaten racoon?
[09:09] <dave7> Haven't got any here. Have eaten possum and it's very nice
[09:09] <QueenVee> lemme guess -- tastes like chicken?
[09:09] <dave7> Nope, tastes like possum
[09:09] <QueenVee> dave7: do your dogs ever eat animals raw, in the field?
[09:10] <dave7> Only rabbits
[09:10] <QueenVee> what parts do they eat?
[09:10] <dave7> If i get to it quick enough, we all get some
[09:10] <dave7> ALL
[09:10] <QueenVee> so you take the rabbit home, skin it, and cook it?
[09:11] <dave7> ONLY for me, they have their's raw
[09:11] <QueenVee> this is going to sound really strange, but do the dogs get all messy and bloody
[09:11] <yggdrasil> http://space.com/news/astronotes-1.html
[09:12] <dave7> Not with rabbit. But with big roo it does. Blood is food
[09:14] <QueenVee> henry was chasing a rabbit yesterday and i could hear him baying in the distance. then he went all quiet, but didn't come back for about half an hour. and when we got home he wasn't as hungry as he usually is. then later in the day he was letting some terribly smelly farts. so i was wondering if he had maybe eaten the rabbit, or something else....
[09:14] <QueenVee> but there was no blood on him or anything
[09:14] <dave7> Yeh YGG $20,000,000
[09:15] <yggdrasil> that sucks
[09:15] <dave7> Rabbits are very clean. Sounds/smells like it
[09:15] <QueenVee> mmmmm
[09:15] <QueenVee> dave7: hope you don't mind me picking your brain here....
[09:16] <QueenVee> trying to quickly get acquainted with my hound....
[09:16] <dave7> Very good hunting dog. Now you got to get that rabbit off him
[09:16] <QueenVee> i've been looking into electronic training collars used by hunters.... what do you think of them?
[09:17] <dave7> He may bring you one when the specialness of it wears off
[09:17] <QueenVee> yes, i hear you
[09:17] <QueenVee> i take him out for several hours first thing in the morning, before he has eaten; would it help if i feed him first?
[09:18] <QueenVee> or is it nothing to do with hunger?
[09:18] <dave7> They would not hurt the dog,  Yes , that would help
[09:18] <QueenVee> what would help? the collar or the feeding?
[09:19] <dave7> First few, he would want to keep
[09:19] <yggdrasil> http://www.technoscout.com/general/product/product.asp?product=1766&Prod_Name=Forever_Flashlight&site=85439
[09:19] <QueenVee> hello ygg, by the way. sorry to ignore you, i was wrapped up in talking about my hound...
[09:19] <yggdrasil> its ok
[09:20] <QueenVee> dave7: how do you cook and eat possum? in a stew?
[09:21] <dave7> Very cool flashlight. Would cost me A$80 to have one . too much
[09:21] <dave7> GRANNY CLAMPETS stew
[09:22] <yggdrasil> you probobly have to clean out its gutz
[09:22] <yggdrasil> and sking it
[09:22] <yggdrasil> skin it
[09:22] <yggdrasil> then i would boil it
[09:22] <dave7> Its so nice you could also fry it
[09:22] <yggdrasil> and pick the meat from the bones
[09:22] <yggdrasil> and save teh stock
[09:22] <yggdrasil> like boinling a chicken
[09:23] <QueenVee> dave7: so you have actually trained your dogs to return to you even if they are in the middle of a hunt?
[09:23] <dave7> It depends on many different facters
[09:24] <QueenVee> such as?
[09:24] <QueenVee> sorry to grill you, but i am wracking my brain trying to solve this problem
[09:24] <dave7> AT the start, very difficult
[09:24] <QueenVee> at the start of your relationship with the dog, or at the start of their hunt?
[09:25] <dave7> i usually let them run their energy off first
[09:25] <QueenVee> ah, ok
[09:25] <QueenVee> yes, i've been doing that
[09:25] <QueenVee> i let him go for almost an hour
[09:25] <dave7> Then they are very easy to control
[09:26] <QueenVee> but they other day he didn't not come back for 2 hours, no matter how much i called
[09:26] <QueenVee> should i try bribing him with food that might appeal to him more than the rabbit?
[09:26] <dave7> Prob. is hes got balls right
[09:26] <QueenVee> no, he JUST got fixed, just before i adopted him
[09:27] <dave7> That is too long
[09:27] <QueenVee> he comes when i call in every other circumstance, so it's not a general obedience problem
[09:27] <QueenVee> and he comes if he is NOT on a scent
[09:27] <dave7> He may get hurt
[09:27] <QueenVee> but once he's on a scent and baying it's like he's possessed
[09:28] <QueenVee> so, you see, i need to solve this problem
[09:28] <dave7> Let me think about it some
[09:28] <QueenVee> i'd appreciate it if you would, i'm getting frustrated
[09:29] <QueenVee> though i'm working hard to make sure he doesn't perceive my frustration
[09:29] <QueenVee> working hard on building trust with him, make him realize i'm not going to deprive him of his fun
[09:29] <dave7> If you can afford a collar that will train him to stay with HIS territory
[09:30] <QueenVee> yes, i think the electronic collar is going to be the answer
[09:30] <QueenVee> by the by, i have no trouble getting him to stay within a given territory
[09:30] <dave7> You have to set the limits not him
[09:31] <QueenVee> i'm thinking that he had very little freedom in his previous life and his positively GIDDY with being allowed to hunt
[09:31] <QueenVee> so the novelty of it may wear off in time as wel
[09:31] <dave7> A well trained dog will drop what he's doing and come running, flat out
[09:32] <QueenVee> mmm, well, i've been reading about hunting dogs, and apparently it's not uncommon for hounds to stray during a hunt, and for their owners to have to spend time retrieving them after a hunt is over....
[09:33] <QueenVee> dogs who hunt in packs, that is
[09:33] <dave7> i always lose one
[09:33] <QueenVee> well, i'll continue to work on the problem, and get one of those collars as soon as i can afford it (would should be in a couple of weeks)
[09:34] <QueenVee> in the meantime i'm going to try using food as a lure
[09:34] <QueenVee> and i don't mean doggie biscuits
[09:35] <dave7> Then he'll learn that it's not acceptable to run off without you
[09:35] <QueenVee> well, the good news is that he is COMPLETELY  broken of chasing the cat
[09:35] <QueenVee> seems to have accepted the cat as part of his pack now
[09:36] <QueenVee> that was achieved very quickly, so i know he's trainable
[09:36] <dave7> i have trouble with dogs wanting to join our pack
[09:36] <QueenVee> lol
[09:36] <QueenVee> i bet
[09:36] <dave7> Its natural
[09:36] <QueenVee> hey, I'D want to join your pack
[09:37] <dave7> a dog can join but they never want to leave.
[09:37] <QueenVee> hehe
[09:37] <QueenVee> hey, what's one more dog when you've already got 7?
[09:38] <dave7> you can put a dog into a pack really easy but the other way is very difficult
[09:38] <QueenVee> well, my mother wants me to do some household repairs for her, so i've got to go now
[09:38] <dave7> Had 11 once, too hard
[09:38] <QueenVee> i REALLY  appreciate your listening to and advising me on all this, dave
[09:39] <QueenVee> Henry and I will get there eventually
[09:39] <dave7> OK good talking
[09:39] <QueenVee> later
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[09:41] <dave7> it's 4.39am i'm going back to bed, see ya
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[10:20] <Queen-away> hi tex
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[10:20] <tex-at-work> hi QV
[10:20] <tex-at-work> what has been going on this morning
[10:20] <QueenVee> tex: do you know if PX is coming from the direction of the southern sky?
[10:21] <tex-at-work> the southern sky description sounds more like McCanney
[10:21] <obaway> right tex
[10:21] <obaway> if you have a moment
[10:22] <QueenVee> there's been a 7.5 quake in the solomon islands
[10:22] <tex-at-work> i always have time for you obany
[10:22] <QueenVee> okay, thanks for that tex and obany
[10:22] <tex-at-work> i saw that QV
[10:22] <tex-at-work> did ralf get the server problems worked out
[10:23] <obaway> i did send an email about it to tt-watch also
[10:23] <QueenVee> people are emailing me pointing out that the observatory that got gutted in the canberra fires recently "started a digital survey of the entire southern sky".... implying some kind of conspiracy...l. but obviously not.....
[10:24] <QueenVee> yes, ralf fixed the server problems
[10:24] <tex-at-work> is RN here
[10:25] <tex-at-work> brb
[10:25] <QueenVee> he was....
[10:25] <RTHOMAS> Nope... RN is sleep walkin...
[10:26] <RTHOMAS> I lost the N cuz I'm still logged on from home...
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[10:26] <Mad_Hatter> Greetings from Arizona
[10:26] <QueenVee> hello mad
[10:26] <QueenVee> how's the weather there, mad
[10:27] <RTHOMAS> QV - Guess I scared tex away?
[10:27] <Mad_Hatter> Yukkie day here, cloudy and rainy....and today is my birthday!
[10:27] <QueenVee> lol, no he said "brb"....
[10:28] <tex-at-work> no RN i had a phone call
[10:28] <RTHOMAS> Ok then.. lol!
[10:28] <QueenVee> happy birthday, you should be called "Mad Goat".....
[10:28] <tex-at-work> just wondered if you had weighed in on the southern skies location
[10:28] <Mad_Hatter> thanks!  lol!
[10:29] <RTHOMAS> Happy bday mad...
[10:29] <tex-at-work> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!
[10:29] <QueenVee> brb
[10:29] <RTHOMAS> You mean zero'd in... Nope...  Being above the 49th, I dunno if I'll be able to see the area...
[10:30] <RTHOMAS> I am actually at the 49th...
[10:31] <RTHOMAS> Looks like New Zealand, south pole are about the only places that's gonna see it...
[10:31] <Mad_Hatter> wow..that 7.5 in the Solomon's was a big one...
[10:32] <RTHOMAS> Also I haven't had time to try and look up the location..
[10:32] <tex-at-work> thanks RN
[10:32] <RTHOMAS> What's your thoughts, cuz these are my preliminary thoughts...
[10:33] <RTHOMAS> I could be wrong on most of this...
[10:33] <tex-at-work> i was asking in regards to QV's earlier question
[10:33] <RTHOMAS> So feel free to correct me if you thing I am in error..
[10:34] <tex-at-work> what is the location of the telescope SteveH is using
[10:34] <RTHOMAS> About looking in the south...  About the only thing that I know that might be able to do it would be the
[10:34] <tex-at-work> you have talked to him... so i thought you might have more insight
[10:35] <RTHOMAS> rent a scope...   http://www.arnierosner.com/are/index.htm
[10:35] <RTHOMAS> He is pretty vague about where the scope is that he is using...
[10:35] <RTHOMAS> At this point, I *BELIEVE* it's the rent a scope link.
[10:35] <QueenVee> the scope is in arizona
[10:36] <obaway> rnthomas : moment
[10:36] <QueenVee> he's always been upfront about that
[10:36] <Mad_Hatter> So, I take it Steve lives in Arizona?
[10:36] <obaway> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/naji8.htm
[10:36] <QueenVee> no, he lives in vancouver, he uses the online services of a scope in arizona
[10:37] <Mad_Hatter> Ahhh...OK
[10:40] <RTHOMAS> I think the link then that I posted to rent a scope is correct then... They are in Arizona...
[10:42] <tex-at-work> so I take it this whole conversation is about the observatory in Australia burning down to keep us from seeing px
[10:42] <RTHOMAS> In fact, the pic of the guy looking thru the big white monster telescope on the ZT link is also on this rent-a-scope site.
[10:43] <QueenVee> tex: well, that's why some are suggesting.... but i don't buy it myself....
[10:44] <RTHOMAS> tex-at-work - Could very well be...   Does seem strange...
[10:44] <obaway> well check www.euronet.nl/~gerard/xcoordinates.jpg and www.euronet.nl/~gerard/xcoordinates2.jpg
[10:44] <obaway> that's where you can find it now
[10:46] <obaway> the planet
[10:47] <obaway> made a screenshot of xephem ..
[10:47] <QueenVee> um, the "moon" in that picture -- is that the earth's moon, or a moon of jupiter?
[10:48] <obaway> i think the moon of the earth
[10:49] <tex-at-work> I know very little but it does not appear to me that you would have to be "way down under" to see that
[10:49] <obaway> tex-at-work
[10:49] <obaway> right
[10:50] <RTHOMAS> tex-at-work - But that looks like orion...
[10:50] <tex-at-work> but from North America it would be in the southern sky
[10:50] <RTHOMAS> You're correct about not having to be all that far down under to see that...
[10:52] <RTHOMAS> Orion will be visable..
[10:52] <obaway> orion is also vissible above Amsterdam so
[10:54] <QueenVee> okay, sorry to be so dense, but....
[10:54] <obaway> just use a program like skymap or for linux xephem ..
[10:54] <QueenVee> obany: where on that map is PX exactly?
[10:54] <obaway> the cirle with the x
[10:55] <obaway> okay shower now .. brb :)
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[11:07] <gigi> hello!
[11:08] <tex-at-work> hello gigi
[11:08] <gigi> hello!
[11:09] <tex-at-work> i need to go deal with an unhappy person... i shall return
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[11:11] <QueenVee> hello gigi
[11:12] <QueenVee> how's your friend Alex?
[11:12] <QueenVee> and Gil Weinstein?
[11:12] <gigi> i dont have a friend alex sorry
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[11:32] <Mad_Hatter> Bye for now...bbl
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[11:40] <tied2> hello
[11:40] <QueenVee> hi tied
[11:42] <tied2> queen whats your site Addy again .. I lost it  :-(
[11:42] * obaway will go now and return later
[11:43] <QueenVee> www.shift2003.com
[11:44] <tied2> << Hello QueenVee >>
[11:44] <tied2> thanks
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[11:48] <QueenVee> hello Buente
[11:48] <Buente> hello
[11:48] <QueenVee> did ya'll hear about the 7.5 quake in solomon islands?
[11:48] <Buente> wow
[11:49] <QueenVee> and the nearby caroline islands got hit with a 6.6
[11:50] <Buente> what relation has earthquakes with the brown star? i mean physical. its now on such a great distance, i dont get why it has such great influence
[11:50] <tied2> yes I was just reading that
[11:50] <tied2> more amazing is all the unexplained explosions
[11:50] <QueenVee> well, that's explained on zetatalk....
[11:50] <QueenVee> tied: yes, agreed
[11:50] <Buente> i still dont get it
[11:51] <tied2> theres just to much circumstantial evidence to claim it's coincidence any more
[11:52] <Buente> yes but that doesnt explain HOW it happens
[11:52] <Buente> i m just curious
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[11:55] <[]GregACNJ> quiet, huh?
[11:55] <QueenVee> hello creaton
[11:55] <QueenVee> well, buente, my understanding is that even thought PX is still far away, the earth is already responding to the powerful magnetism of its poles, hence, plateshifting, earthquakes, etc.
[11:56] <creaton> hello
[11:58] <tied2> Afriend of mine asked me once, How can a planet so far away have such a effect on our planet ? I liken it to a germ than can only be seen with a microscope can make  a person so sick or even kill them.
[11:59] <tied2> Probably not a real good analogy but....
[11:59] <Buente> not realy no
[12:00] <tied2> lol
[12:00] <tied2> My point being it doesn't take much to upset nature
[12:00] <Buente> i know but
[12:01] <Buente> -the planet is REALY far away OR traveling very slow
[12:01] <Buente> -the planet aint that big
[12:01] <tied2> 4 times the size of earth
[12:01] <Buente> haha
[12:02] <tied2> 24 times a dense
[12:02] <Buente> i still didnt find good descriptions of its orbit
[12:04] <tied2> look it's there
[12:05] <Buente> not on zeta
[12:05] <tied2> check troubled times
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[12:14] <tied2> << Hello Buente >>
[12:15] <Buente> lo again
[12:15] <rnthomas> howdy
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[12:20] <QueenVee> hello hoci -- what brings you to this room?
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[12:28] <rnthomas> U scared him off!
[12:28] <QueenVee> i have that effect on people
[12:28] <QueenVee> gotta go for a bit
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[12:29] <rnthomas> ok
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[13:22] <obaway> hi
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[13:26] <Ogmios> hi
[13:26] <obany> how are you doing?
[13:27] <Ogmios> fine
[13:27] <Ogmios> and you?
[13:31] <obany> fine fine a little tired but fine
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[13:38] <obany> hi Aaaaa
[13:38] <Aaaaa> hi
[13:38] <Aaaaa> anything happening?
[13:38] <obany> not much and brb
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[13:42] <Aaaaa> hi QV
[13:42] <QueenVee> Aaaaa: there have been a couple of major quakes: 7.5 in solomon islands, and 6.6 in caroline islands
[13:43] <Aaaaa> ok
[13:43] <Aaaaa>  local news said we had "thousands of quakes" off our Oregon coast
[13:44] <QueenVee> yep, that's right
[13:44] <Aaaaa> still no big deal made of it
[13:45] <QueenVee> bizarre, isn't it?
[13:45] <Aaaaa> yup
[13:45] <QueenVee> like it happens everyday or somethning
[13:46] <Aaaaa> huge ground swell in central Ore. and forget it!
[13:46] <QueenVee> here's all i can find on that: http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=53860
[13:46] <Aaaaa> I'll check it out
[13:47] <QueenVee> brb
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[13:51] <Ogmios> katu is a finnish word btw
[13:51] <Aaaaa> means?
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[13:51] <Ogmios> street
[13:52] <Aaaaa> here it is just an assigned call sign
[13:52] <Aaaaa> given by FCC
[13:57] <Ogmios> loan word from swedish gatan
[13:58] <Ogmios> we dont use much g letter here
[13:58] <obany> QueenVee: i found more about those quakes ... i think
[13:58] <Dumberer> when is the regular chat time here please
[13:58] <Ogmios> neither b,c,d,f,g,q,z,x
[13:59] <obany> http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?p57465587
[13:59] <obany> woops
[13:59] <obany> moment
[13:59] <QueenVee> Dumberer: what brings you to this room?
[13:59] <Aaaaa> short alphabet!
[13:59] <Dumberer> what brings me here? my computer...what do u mean?
[13:59] <Dumberer> i am interested in one of the scheduled chats
[13:59] <Dumberer> i just don't know when they are
[14:00] <obany> http://www.newportnewstimes.com/nt_news/general/nt_news-10.html#TopOfPage
[14:01] <QueenVee> Dumberer: the scheduled chats with Nancy (zetatalk sessions) are on saturdays only
[14:02] <Dumberer> ah ok...thank you
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[14:03] <Ogmios> whats that killer asteroid story in tt watch
[14:03] <QueenVee> thanks for that link obany
[14:03] <QueenVee> Ogmios: that's from Pravda, they're always publishing crazy shit
[14:03] <Ogmios> ahh
[14:04] <Ogmios> i remember times when it was the only official russian newspaper
[14:05] <Dumberer> thanks for your help
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[14:06] <Aaaaa> well, back to work.....later!
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[14:14] <obany> QueenVee: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134617918_frogs18m.html ( here was an array of purported causes for the deformations, including the Web site ZetaTalk.com's theory that they were in response to "emanations from the Earth's core" caused by the approach of an alien-bearing planet. )
[14:16] <obany> an artilce that says that a parasite is the cause of te frog deformations
[14:16] <QueenVee> mmmm
[14:17] <obany> but a mention of zetatalk.com and the emailadress of the guy who wrote that article is on the page too
[14:17] <QueenVee> oh, i see....
[14:17] <QueenVee> well, THAT's bizarre
[14:17] <QueenVee> ????
[14:18] <obany> was well looking on groups.google.com for well postings about and inlcuding zetatalk so then well i checked news
[14:19] <QueenVee> the guy probably did an internet search on the subject while researching the article, and came across the zetatalk explaination -- and just threw it in for fun
[14:19] <obany> and came up with article
[14:19] <obany> yes i think so too
[14:19] <QueenVee> good for you, i wouldn't have thought of that
[14:19] <QueenVee> do you do searches of "PLanetX" as well?
[14:20] <obany> noe, but sometimes i check for zetatalk
[14:20] <QueenVee> the EMSC earthquake site reports a 6.6 quake in Mongolia today, but no media reports about it....
[14:20] <RTHOMAS> Zetatalk is gonna get lots of press....
[14:21] <RTHOMAS> It's a bit of a prediction of mine...
[14:21] <QueenVee> hey, check this out: http://www.scienceblog.com/community/article710.html
[14:21] <QueenVee> RN: mmmmm....
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[14:22] <obany> even if this page is well about frog deformations that article.. there is still a mention of zetatalk.com so there might be people who will check the site because of it
[14:23] <QueenVee> obany: yes, exactly right
[14:26] <RTHOMAS> I think we can expect more of this... I don't think it will help the poleshift education cause, the way media likes to spin things around and all..
[14:26] <obany> i know i know... so more has to be done i think then
[14:27] <QueenVee> well, but obany has a good point. the mention of zetatalk in an article, even if it is referred to derisively, may lead people to at least look at the site....
[14:28] <QueenVee> ha, another sinkhole in california: http://www.nbc4.tv/news/1919260/detail.html
[14:28] <RTHOMAS> QV: I can see that reference to ZT as being ok.   I suspect that soon we will be portraid as nuts in later articles...
[14:29] <RTHOMAS> Peoples first exposure to Px and ZT is gonna be the mass media, and they are not gonna make us look like smart people..
[14:29] <obany> http://www.indymedia.org/ here you can post your own articles .........
[14:29] <RTHOMAS> At least that's what I would expect from the media...
[14:29] <QueenVee> oh, of course
[14:29] <obany> it depens on the type of media i think
[14:31] <RTHOMAS> I am just worried that once the mass media machine is thru with ZT that we are not going to be able to talk about Px period without being considered crazy.
[14:31] <RTHOMAS> The usual planned response desired by the machine.
[14:32] <QueenVee> RThomas: well, i will disagree with you on one point....
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[14:32] <QueenVee> for those who are sleepwalking through life, yes, you're right, but.....
[14:32] <RTHOMAS> My only wish on this subject is to be wrong...  So hopefully I am... lol!
[14:33] <QueenVee> for those who have been noticing and worried about what has been going on around them, no matter how ridiculous the media makes ZT seem, it will still make sense to them.... and they will be HUNGRY for an explanation of what they are experiencing....
[14:35] <RTHOMAS> Well I hope it works out that way...  That's all I can say..
[14:36] <RTHOMAS> So walt, what's new with you today?
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[14:41] <tied2> << Hello  >>
[14:41] <RTHOMAS> hey tied, how goes it!
[14:42] <tied2> sucks lol
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[14:42] <RTHOMAS> Oh yeah, ya lost da box on the sw install... I can see how that could be annoying... :(
[14:43] <tied2> do you know what kinda damage can result from a right hook to the keyboard?
[14:43] <walt> nothing much
[14:44] <walt> that was to RT
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[14:48] <tied2> << § >>Hello walt << § >>
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[14:49] <tied2> << § >>Hello QueenVee << § >>
[14:49] <QueenVee> hellooooooooooooooo
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[14:52] <tied2> << § >>Hello obany << § >>
[14:54] <Ogmios> hi
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[14:57] <tied2> << § >>Hello from_Texas << § >>
[14:58] <from_Texas> oh my... hello tied
[14:59] <QueenVee> tex: any luck in getting in touch with scooby?
[15:00] <from_Texas> no word yet QV
[15:00] <walt> what happen to SCOOBY?
[15:01] <from_Texas> no one has seen him lately walt
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[15:03] <walt> hi
[15:03] <West_coast> hi walt
[15:03] <West_coast> how goes it?
[15:04] <walt> ok so far
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[15:07] <tied2> «§» Hello West_coast «§»
[15:07] <West_coast> hellow tied :)
[15:10] <West_coast> stopped in to say hello..bbl
[15:11] <from_Texas> ok WC
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[15:15] <from_Texas> my internet connection is not happy it appears
[15:15] <from_Texas> at least to this server
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[15:17] <QueenVee> hello ygg
[15:18] <yggdrasil> herro
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[15:23] * juditness is away.. I DON'T WANT RELATIONSHIP, I JUST WANT BANG BANG BANG!@#$ [mail: judit@geekychick.org] at 00:26:47
[15:26] <RTHOMAS> Dammit... Nothin to work on...
[15:26] <RTHOMAS> Everythings caught up in red tape and such....
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[15:26] <RTHOMAS> Hmmm....
[15:26] <RTHOMAS> Looks like Tex is having a bit of fun with his connection today..
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[15:27] <Karelka> Hello everybody!!
[15:27] <RTHOMAS> Howdy, is this your first time here?
[15:27] <Karelka> Yes!
[15:27] <Karelka> Are you experienced?
[15:27] <RTHOMAS> Oh coowel, how long have you known about poleshifts and Px?
[15:28] <Karelka> For about two years. Didn't take it seriously
[15:28] <RTHOMAS> Nobody is experienced...  cept maybe in past lives...
[15:28] <Karelka> I am no Hinduist
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[15:28] <RTHOMAS> What's making ya take it seriously now...
[15:29] <Karelka> Just wanted to take a look at the site again and it hooked me
[15:29] <Karelka> Do you believe this horror?
[15:29] <RTHOMAS> I've recently met a friend into the buddist type stuff.. He's takin a course in spirituality over in Autstralia now...
[15:29] <Karelka> uite exotic
[15:30] <RTHOMAS> Yes I do... It would be nice if I didn't...
[15:30] <Karelka> Karelia is said to be a shamans' land too
[15:30] <QueenVee> Karelka: so what are you doing to prepare for the poleshift?
[15:30] <RTHOMAS> Well My friend Mike also believes in this horror as well...
[15:31] <QueenVee> you are in Russia, yes?
[15:31] <Karelka> I have some co-óâû crazy at shamanism and Tolkien but noone is crying aloud about aliens so I have little people to talk to abiut PS
[15:32] <Karelka> Yes, I an Russian
[15:32] <Ogmios> hi karelka
[15:32] <Karelka> I do nothing just thinking
[15:32] <Karelka> Hi!
[15:32] <Ogmios> what part of russia?
[15:32] <Karelka> Near Finland
[15:32] <Ogmios> ahh
[15:32] <Ogmios> intresting
[15:33] <Ogmios> i'm in finland
[15:33] <Karelka> Nice to hear
[15:33] <Karelka> Cool
[15:33] <Karelka> Have you read about Finland in SafeLocs?
[15:33] <Ogmios> yes
[15:34] <Ogmios> btw my mother is karelian
[15:34] <Karelka> What do you plan to do if anything? Can you swim?-))
[15:34] <Ogmios> yes i can. but moving to sweden
[15:35] <Karelka> Oh, my grandmother is Karelka and other relatives Russian and Ukranian and some Germans and Poles:-))
[15:35] <Ogmios> my mom lived near lake ladoga
[15:35] <Karelka> It must be easier for  Finland dweller to start up and move
[15:36] <Karelka> My ancestors were about Onego lake
[15:36] <Karelka> I heard there are many Sewdish people in Finland
[15:37] <Ogmios> 300k
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[15:37] <Ogmios> and some 800k finnish in sweden
[15:37] <Karelka> Someone left? Got bored, I guess?
[15:37] <Karelka> Oh, that much
[15:38] <Ogmios> most of them in north..lots of around stockholm too
[15:38] <obany> brb
[15:39] <Karelka> I am very concerned about the town I was born at as it became a nuclear waste bin and is going to be drown!
[15:39] <Ogmios> what town
[15:39] <Karelka> Those are lucky--In Sweden, I mean
[15:39] <Karelka> Severodvinsk Watched K-19?
[15:39] <Ogmios> no
[15:40] <Karelka> I liked the movie..A bit... A chunk of liking!
[15:40] <Karelka> This town is not shown at maps
[15:40] <Karelka> Though rather big
[15:41] <Ogmios> ahh like military town
[15:41] <Karelka> A lot of radiation, I'd say!
[15:41] <Karelka> Yes, like military. The subs around
[15:42] <Ogmios> http://www.ru-sever.narod.ru/things.htm
[15:42] <Karelka> I always liked the sea now I have ambient feeling about water :-0
[15:42] <RTHOMAS> I don't mind the sea, except when the forcast is for 250 - 650 foot tidal waves...
[15:43] <Karelka> What a link is it?
[15:43] <Ogmios> tourist info about the city
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[15:44] <Karelka> Yea, the waves. Like in the Crash with the Abyss or how they called the film?
[15:44] <Karelka> Tourists in Severodvinsk? When did it became possible?
[15:44] <Ogmios> no idea :)
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[15:45] <Karelka> I guess it is a kind of sci-fi. There were US specialists though. Brought gillotine along...
[15:45] <from_Texas> Am I driving you crazy yet
[15:46] <Karelka> The fun was when they checked the soil and water to find out if they can work for a while at our town...
[15:46] <Karelka> No--why crazy?
[15:46] <from_Texas> coming and going
[15:46] <Karelka> No--it's OK
[15:47] <Karelka> Why do you bother to keep  moving? Want to be slim&fit?
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[15:48] <Ogmios> hehe
[15:49] <Karelka> I thought it would be more talking around here as I see a lot of mames listed
[15:49] <Karelka> Pardi\on, "names"
[15:49] <obany> some well just are in this channel but don't say a thing
[15:50] <Ogmios> most of them are just idling
[15:50] <obany> more like lurking, or idling .. but i am here
[15:50] <Karelka> Ah, that is how.
[15:51] <Karelka> I am on dial-up. Can't afford myself to lurk.
[15:51] <Karelka> Ae you bored?
[15:51] <Karelka> Or what?
[15:51] * obany bored no
[15:52] <Ogmios> http://www.arh.ru/~vita/about.htm
[15:52] <Ogmios> ;)
[15:53] <Karelka> Chatting in achat is a righteos thing. So I won't cease it ... for a couple of minutes...
[15:53] <Karelka> Ogmious, you're great link hunter
[15:53] <Ogmios> sometimes
[15:54] <Karelka> I guess it depends on core activity--or the steady connection?
[15:55] <Karelka> What a cheerful young lady...Should anyone send her a link at zetatalk.com?
[15:56] <Ogmios> i'm not using dial up anymore..3 years ago i had dial up connection
[15:56] <Ogmios> good to inform ppl there..so dangerous
[15:56] <Karelka> I had my first modem a year ago
[15:57] <Karelka> I could try to. Another matter if she believes
[16:01] <obany> for posting articles also http://www.indymedia.org/  one can post his own news there
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[16:02] <Karelka> That must be a useful page
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[16:08] <QueenVee> hi red
[16:08] <Ogmios> hi
[16:08] <Red> Hey QV
[16:08] <Red> Og how are ya?
[16:08] <QueenVee> major earthquake activity today
[16:09] <Red> yeah...  some nastys
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[16:09] <Ogmios> feeling tired..i should be in bed
[16:09] <QueenVee> hello pig -- what brings you to this room?
[16:09] <piginthecity> hello, just wondering about
[16:10] <QueenVee> mmm, wrong answer
[16:10] <QueenVee> please note:
[16:10] <QueenVee>  'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[16:10] <Red> lol
[16:10] <piginthecity> i'm familiar
[16:10] * obany feels well tired to .. but ooh well
[16:11] <QueenVee> what are you doing to prepapre for the poleshift, pig?
[16:11] <piginthecity> i have stocked fully foodwise
[16:11] <obany> not going yet, will wait a ilttle longer
[16:11] <piginthecity> i am not planning on relocating
[16:11] <QueenVee> where are you located?
[16:12] <piginthecity> midwest, inland
[16:12] <QueenVee> how long have you been aware of the poleshift and zetatalk?
[16:12] <piginthecity> quite some time
[16:12] <piginthecity> probably 2 years
[16:12] <QueenVee> mmm, i've never seen you at any of nancy's zetatalk sessions....
[16:13] <piginthecity> i never have attended
[16:13] <piginthecity> but i have read the logs
[16:13] <piginthecity> i'm not big on this irc thing
[16:14] <piginthecity> she runs them at a bad time, saturdays, wish they were weeknights
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[16:15] <QueenVee> hi humvee
[16:15] <QueenVee> heard about all the quakes today in the south pacific?
[16:15] <humvee> hello QueenVee
[16:16] <humvee> no r on sf2003 site?
[16:16] <QueenVee> www.poleshift2003.com
[16:16] <piginthecity> there is an interesting story about a magnetic pole shift that mainstream media has picked up on, anyone see that?
[16:16] <piginthecity> don't have the URL handy
[16:16] <QueenVee> no -- www.shift2003.com
[16:16] <humvee> y
[16:16] <Red> No pig... was that a week or so ago?
[16:16] <QueenVee> pig: that is not related to the poleshift that ZT is predicting
[16:17] <QueenVee> a magnetic poleshift is not the same as a physical poleshift
[16:17] <piginthecity> Ah, but it is...on ZT, they discuss how the earth's magnetic fields would be changing leading up to the physical pole shift
[16:17] <piginthecity> it is indirectly related, I should say
[16:17] <QueenVee> pig: no, ZT says that a magnetic pole reversal is not possible
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[16:17] <QueenVee> that the magnetic poles fluctuate all the time
[16:17] <QueenVee> hello creaton
[16:17] <piginthecity> science has proof that it is indeed happening
[16:18] <QueenVee> what is happening?
[16:18] <piginthecity> that the poles are in fact reversing
[16:18] <creaton> hello
[16:18] <piginthecity> at least that's what that article said...or implied
[16:18] <QueenVee> fraid not, pig
[16:18] <piginthecity> wish i had the URL
[16:18] <humvee> pacific rim heating up - time 2 rock n roll !  
[16:18] <QueenVee> they are only theorizing that it's something that COULD happen
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[16:19] <piginthecity> i don't think it's too far out of the realm of possibility
[16:19] <Red> Hmmm I just read a doc that suggests reversals are a regulat thing...  the geophysical shift is a new phenom tho
[16:19] <Karelka1> Hi everybody! It's me again..or my clone? There was some glitch.
[16:19] <piginthecity> red, maybe the same thing I saw
[16:19] <QueenVee> pig: here is ZT on the subject
[16:19] <obany> piginthecity: check http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s27.htm
[16:19] <piginthecity> i'll check that out
[16:20] <Ogmios> welcome back karelka
[16:20] <piginthecity> hmmm interesting
[16:20] <Karelka1> Glad to be back. It got so interesting
[16:21] <Red> My source was a book.... Driving Force  the natural magic of magnets   some 10-20 pages on it
[16:21] <piginthecity> not my source then!
[16:21] <Red> author James D livingston
[16:21] <piginthecity> sounds like a good read, tho
[16:21] <QueenVee> well, as ZT says, it is a wrong-headed theory on the part of humans
[16:21] <Red> a bit tech for me but interesting
[16:21] <Karelka1> What do you think about the TV news about the comet?
[16:21] <piginthecity> eh...
[16:22] <QueenVee> Karelka: doesn't seem to be anything to back up that Pravda story
[16:22] <piginthecity> i heard about that Pravda story, anyone have a link?
[16:22] <Karelka1> "Kribda", not "Pravda" then. Pravda is the truth krivda is alie
[16:23] <QueenVee> here is more ZT on the subject of the earth's magnetic field: http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s05.htm
[16:23] <Karelka1> Oh, Krivda.
[16:24] <Karelka1> and there were some stuff about newly discovered black hole near our Solar system at Google.ru
[16:27] <Karelka1> I can't imagine so many people to die. If there would be no way out even with the ideal cooperation and governmental goodwill which is VERRRY unrealistic I concious but IF??!!!!
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[16:28] <QueenVee> here's a list of today's mega quakes: Solomon Islands 7.5 / Caroline Islands (Micronesia) 6.8 / Mongolia 6.6 / Samoa Islands 6.2 / Figi Islands 5.9 / Tonga Islands 5.6 / Kuril Islands (Russia) 5.4 / Brazil 5.3
[16:28] <Karelka1> i AM NOT!!!
[16:28] <Karelka1> A menu
[16:29] <QueenVee> Of all of these, ONLY the quake in the Solomon Islands has received any press coverage whatsoever
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[16:29] <QueenVee> hey WC
[16:29] <West_coast> hi QV
[16:29] <QueenVee> WC: i'll repeat what i just posted, for your benefit:
[16:29] <piginthecity> queen, where do u find this information?
[16:29] <QueenVee>  here's a list of today's mega quakes: Solomon Islands 7.5 / Caroline Islands (Micronesia) 6.8 / Mongolia 6.6 / Samoa Islands 6.2 / Figi Islands 5.9 / Tonga Islands 5.6 / Kuril Islands (Russia) 5.4 / Brazil 5.3
[16:29] <Red> Hiya WC
[16:29] <QueenVee> Of all of these, ONLY the quake in the Solomon Islands has received any press coverage whatsoever
[16:29] <West_coast> wow
[16:29] <Karelka1> Hi WC
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[16:30] <West_coast> hi there
[16:30] <Karelka1> Bye
[16:30] <QueenVee> pig: that particular information is from the European Mediterranean Seismological Centre
[16:30] <piginthecity> thanks
[16:30] <Ogmios> well majority of ppl live near oceans and in big cities..thus..in great danger
[16:30] <Karelka1> Hie
[16:30] <Karelka1> And along the rivers
[16:30] <Ogmios> they drown
[16:31] <creaton> i live by 3 rivers surrounding me pretty much
[16:31] <Ogmios> buildings crush them..
[16:31] <Karelka1> I had a repeating dream about rising sea as it pour brownish water into my window on the sixth floor!
[16:31] <Ogmios> they starve to death
[16:31] <piginthecity> solomon islands was a 7.2 i believe, just to nitpick  :-)
[16:32] <QueenVee> pig: no
[16:32] <Karelka1> Am icrazy or someone has nightmares too?
[16:32] <QueenVee> only the USGS reported it as a 7.2
[16:32] <QueenVee> the European earthquake centres reported it as a 7.5, and the australia centre reported it as a 7.8
[16:32] <QueenVee> if you've been following ZT, you would know that the USGS has been underreporting quakes for some time now
[16:32] <piginthecity> really doesn't matter, i suppose, eh? still a big one
[16:33] <Ogmios> i dont see nightmares..i see dreams about life aftertime
[16:33] <QueenVee> well, yes, it does matter
[16:33] <Karelka1> And what it looks like? Like Kola peninsula in winter without electricity?
[16:33] <Ogmios> the only nightmare i could remember happened when i was very little
[16:34] <piginthecity> one reported off the coast of oregon is interesting...
[16:34] <creaton> I live in Oregon hehe
[16:34] <piginthecity> not as big
[16:34] <Karelka1> Yourre incredibly healthy You should go to be a cosmonaut
[16:34] <creaton> ya
[16:34] <Ogmios> i see old buildings and living in community
[16:35] <Karelka1> Did you heard US wants to start war in Iraq before March as if only because of the "wether window"?
[16:36] <Karelka1> I saw just walking with some people and wet stones
[16:36] <QueenVee> there was a 6.0 off the coast of oregon and a 5.4 off the coast of Washington, a few days ago, and since then there has been a flurry of smaller quakes there
[16:36] <Karelka1> It was very real
[16:36] <piginthecity> actuall QV, on the Euro Medit site, they have Solomon now listed as a 7.3, just FYI
[16:36] <Ogmios> good distraction..ppl wont look the skies so..
[16:36] <West_coast> QV: Do you see an escalation in the number of quakes we usually have in the world?
[16:37] <QueenVee> pig: you are reading one of the after shocks:  M 7.5  M! NEIR  SOLOMON ISLANDS REGION    
[16:37] <Karelka1> There was some disturbance even under the ancient cristal shield of Karelia
[16:37] <QueenVee> WC: definitely! and an increase in depth and intensity
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[16:38] <QueenVee> oh, dear, i think i made him cry
[16:39] <West_coast> :)
[16:39] <Karelka1> Bye. Bye
[16:39] <West_coast> he'll get over it
[16:39] <QueenVee> hehe
[16:39] <Karelka1> How anyone can imagine eating worms?..
[16:40] <West_coast> quakes are a serious concern out here as elsewhere...could really mess up travel
[16:40] <Karelka1> Or cats, worse?
[16:40] <West_coast> Karelka: how about bugs
[16:40] <Ogmios> if you are hungry enough you will eat anything
[16:40] <West_coast> there are a few webpages about bugs as food
[16:41] <Karelka1> Oh, how about home cucarachas?
[16:41] <Karelka1> Anything? Anyone? And relatives?!!
[16:41] <Ogmios> remember leningrad siege..
[16:42] <West_coast> hopefully, it won't come to that
[16:42] <Karelka1> I saw yesterday about borsaya dogs and one dog died 'cause got scared of bomb not from starvation or being eaten in siege
[16:43] <Karelka1> Are you sure it won't?
[16:43] <West_coast> Karelka: not sure about anything except that PX is coming
[16:43] <Karelka1> I am not sure even about it even!
[16:44] <West_coast> absolutely no doubts, here
[16:44] <Ogmios> ei vara venettä kaada as we say in finland..
[16:45] <Ogmios> better to prepare..
[16:45] <Karelka1> I got a new screensaver goody-goody "Advent Calendar" and there are meteors dropping!!!LOL
[16:45] <obany> QueenVee: here one can search for news too http://www.worldnews.com/
[16:46] <West_coast> Karelka: where in the world are you?
[16:46] <QueenVee> thanks obany
[16:47] <Karelka1> I wonder if a government can purposefullly turn off heating in 40 degree frost to make population scarce?
[16:47] <Karelka1> I am in Karelia, RF. North-Western Russia. Near Finland
[16:48] <Ogmios> well russian goverment can do anything..nothing like in scandinavia
[16:48] <obany> and i did gave you http://p.moreover.com/cgi-local/page?o=profportal&client_id=profportal&feed=256 some days ago ... it's easy to subscribe ... with lots of kind of sections with news
[16:48] <Karelka1> Are you from west coast of North America?
[16:48] <West_coast> Karelka: yes, Washington State
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[16:48] <Ogmios> in what town there karelka?
[16:49] <obany> QueenVee: but you have to fill in some info to get more headlines..
[16:49] <Karelka1> Petrozavodsk, the Republic's capital.
[16:49] <Ogmios> ahh
[16:50] <Ogmios> petroskoi
[16:50] <Karelka1> Washington D.C.? iSN'T IT EAST COAST?
[16:50] <West_coast> Karelka: State of Washington, west coast of USA  North of California
[16:50] <Karelka1> Yes, there were two fiinnisations in Soviet period. Still many posters in Finnish
[16:51] <Karelka1> Thanks. I got it at last. How many Wshingtons do you have over there?
[16:51] <Ogmios> yea finnish troops occupied that city
[16:52] <Karelka1> They did. They put a gun into the attic of my grandfather private house
[16:52] * obany goes now ik ga nu bye bye mzzls teruste goodnight
[16:52] <Karelka1> Bye! Good night
[16:52] <West_coast> bye obany
[16:53] <Red> nite Ob
[16:53] <Karelka1> If anyone leaving can read after that for some time? I'm a teapot
[16:53] <Ogmios> goodnight obany
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[16:53] <Red> Hey danc
[16:53] <obany> thnx ogmios, you too
[16:53] <obany> bye
[16:53] <Karelka1> Well, they seem to do it
[16:53] <QueenVee> hello danc - what brings you to this room?
[16:53] <Karelka1> Bye!
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[16:54] <Karelka1> Hello!
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[16:55] <West_coast> Karelka: is there a general awareness of Poleshift where you are?
[16:55] <Ogmios> war was a terribly thing.. so pointless like all wars..i have never seen my mothers home village and the house she lived
[16:56] <Karelka1> I wonder how angry people would be in the Aftertime. Well, everybody semms to tend to be just a core without shell. Good or evil
[16:56] <Karelka1> Tha is a pity
[16:56] <QueenVee> yes, i think people will experience the anger that goes with loss and grief....
[16:57] <Karelka1> In Karelia I talked only to my mom. Dad don't get it. Grandparents are not to bother. Co-eds..I'am working at it.In general in Karelia--havwe not heard. Nothung "in air"
[16:59] <Karelka1> Well, you could try to look now. Me too watched the house outside. There are too far relatives there now are resident. ;-)
[16:59] <Ogmios> still some talk about "karelia question" in finland but ppl get older..and young ones dont care..
[17:00] <Ogmios> why dig old things
[17:00] <Karelka1> Why is there so many people from Finland like to go to Petroskoi then?
[17:00] <Ogmios> not that far
[17:01] <Karelka1> It is my future profession to dig old things. Archeologist or archivist. Historic, in general
[17:01] <Ogmios> maybe tourists but not those who lived lake ladoga area
[17:01] <Karelka1> Haw many more?
[17:01] <Karelka1> I once saw about ten peole and all carrying regular cakes!Just the same cakes
[17:02] <Ogmios> maybe 300k karelians from old area
[17:02] <Ogmios> still alive
[17:02] <Karelka1> Maybe
[17:02] <Karelka1> We are all a STILL alive. Life is not permanent
[17:03] <Karelka1> No offense meant
[17:04] <Ogmios> thank god..i dont want to live forever as me
[17:04] <Ogmios> same person
[17:04] <West_coast> Karelka: are you aware of past pole shifts?
[17:04] <Karelka1> Me too... Suicidal types? Well, don't like too think of myself as of freak
[17:06] <Ogmios> i dont care what other ppl think about me
[17:06] <Karelka1> I read about this at awakenning channel. It's in russian. And my favourite sci-fi writerS wrote an article ont (Brothers A.&B.Strugatskii)
[17:06] <Karelka1> I care about it when I am forced to
[17:07] <Karelka1> I mean you could do nothing sometimes
[17:07] <Ogmios> one thing what is bad in finland..army service
[17:08] <Karelka1> ???
[17:08] <Ogmios> if you dont want to go army..civil service lasts 13 months..or third choice is jail
[17:09] <Ogmios> in army 6 months
[17:09] <Karelka1> It's worse around here
[17:09] <Ogmios> i know
[17:09] <Karelka1> In army two years. Civil service unregulated yet so you may go after it ina rmy as well
[17:10] <Ogmios> some of them come here with gun..
[17:10] <Ogmios> cant stand the russian army
[17:10] <Karelka1> Tourists?
[17:11] <Ogmios> one guy shot himself in finnish russian border
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[17:11] <Ogmios> army deserter
[17:11] <Ogmios> from russia
[17:11] <shaman464> hey all
[17:11] <Karelka1> I see
[17:11] <Karelka1> Hello!
[17:12] <Karelka1> To go from North to Chechnya seems the worst. Fight to be betrayed
[17:12] <shaman464> Queen im alittle behind on the Sci.astro postings and whats going on with that with the TTwatch can you bring me up to speed?
[17:13] <Ogmios> i guess russian goverment fears that whole country breaks up. if they let chechnya go
[17:14] <Ogmios> i know atleast what ppl think in tatarstan
[17:15] <QueenVee> shaman: i don't follow sci-astro
[17:15] <Karelka1> Let them go! And isolate them with I don't know what. But they live very well around the country and pay off the money to buy weapons to blust houses
[17:15] <shaman464> did you get the list e-mail?
[17:16] <Karelka1> Tatarstan didnt even pay taxes. Why shouldn't they?
[17:16] <QueenVee> shaman: i'm not subscribed to sci.astro
[17:16] <Karelka1> I am not subscribed too
[17:17] <shaman464> it was an e-mail form the TTwatch@yahoo
[17:17] <QueenVee> what was?
[17:18] <QueenVee> i don't get emails from tt-watch, just read it on the web
[17:18] <Karelka1> Russia was breaking up and starting to for such a long time that I wonder when it will succeed.
[17:18] <Ogmios> problem in russia is too many enslaved nations. to create big country..well same thing happened in everywhere in globe
[17:18] <shaman464> ok
[17:18] <Karelka1> And what will be then?
[17:19] <Karelka1> So many nations... Where are so many nations in germany? Slavs were assimilated. No--eliminated!Genocide
[17:19] <West_coast> bbl..
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[17:20] <Karelka1> Who gave the Constitution in 1801 to the former part of Sweden?
[17:20] <Ogmios> heh..germany had in middle ages hundred or so states
[17:21] <Karelka1> States weren't monoethnical. And there were no nations in middle ages
[17:21] <QueenVee> gotta take the dog out, run some errands, be back later
[17:21] * QueenVee is now known as Queen-away
[17:21] <Karelka1> Until the late medieval time
[17:22] <Ogmios> yea..with raise of nationalism
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[17:22] <Mugada> G'day all again
[17:22] <Karelka1> Drung Nah Osten?
[17:22] <Karelka1> Good day! Are you from Australia?
[17:23] <Mugada> yep u
[17:23] <Karelka1> Wow!
[17:23] <Mugada> ?
[17:23] <Ogmios> i have friends in australia
[17:24] <Mugada> ok were
[17:24] <Karelka1> What is "u"? "you"?
[17:24] <Mugada> yes
[17:24] <Karelka1> Me from Russia
[17:24] <Mugada> ok
[17:24] <Ogmios> almost my neighbour this karelka heh
[17:24] <Karelka1> I like to praise myself when I guessed smth;-))
[17:25] <Karelka1> Yea
[17:25] <Mugada> do u have a safe place in russia
[17:25] <Karelka1> They say it is Ural. Altai maybe
[17:25] <Ogmios> yea great russian empire gave so many good things to finland..a grand duchy!
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[17:26] <shaman464> sorry blow a fuse
[17:26] <shaman464> blew*
[17:26] <Karelka1> I have a teacher born in Siberia. He was in Altai on a archeo dig. Says too little sun in Karelia! Ican't agree with him
[17:27] <Mugada> sun shine will change
[17:28] <Karelka1> This state stuff... If to talk as a citizen, just let Russia be. And give the pre-revolutionary debts back.Biut everything is stupid if we're waiting the end of the ...wellApocalypsis
[17:29] <Ogmios> of course ural..finnish tribes left from there to west, maybe they experinced the poleshift too
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[17:29] <Karelka1> Yea...I don't care much about sun. I got used to clouds. When I moved back to "ancestors land", which is to South from where I lived, i kept sneezing while looking at suuny spot. I still do. Just squinting eyes.
[17:30] <humvee> AFK
[17:30] <Ogmios> i like more spring time
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[17:30] <Karelka1> Why they moved from there after the previous PS?
[17:30] <Ogmios> summer is too hot..
[17:30] <Karelka1> Absolutely!
[17:31] <Ogmios> well..lands melt from ice
[17:31] <Karelka1> It was a Pole?
[17:31] <Ogmios> scandinavia was covered with ice
[17:31] <Ogmios> yes
[17:31] <Karelka1> It is the "ice age " theory, not approved by Zetas
[17:32] <Ogmios> northpole was in different place
[17:32] <Ogmios> thats why the ice age..
[17:33] <Karelka1> My head is spinning when imagining. Can't do it
[17:33] <Karelka1> North west east What a pile
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[17:33] <Karelka1> Hi, ic
[17:34] <Karelka1> Jc!
[17:34] <jc> Hi first time here
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[17:34] <Karelka1> Me too!
[17:34] <Ogmios> i better go to sleep now. good night
[17:34] <shaman464> whats your name and where are you form?
[17:34] <Karelka1> Hi! People getting up early or time gap?
[17:34] <Karelka1> Good night
[17:35] <jc> what's the topic of discussion?
[17:35] <shaman464> G'night
[17:35] <Karelka1> Thank you for talking
[17:35] <Kindred_Soul> hello roomies
[17:35] <Karelka1> Hello
[17:35] <Ogmios> bye
[17:35] <Karelka1> Good bye
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[17:35] <shaman464> Pole Shift and the after times and no debate lets just assume its happening when its happening
[17:35] <Karelka1> OK
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[17:36] <Kindred_Soul> where is everyone from, i'm in washington state....spokane
[17:36] <Kindred_Soul> eastern washington
[17:36] <Karelka1> 15th May I am taking credits then exams What a pity....
[17:36] <Karelka1> I am from Petrozavodsk Karelia RF
[17:36] <shaman464> lol
[17:37] <Karelka1> ?
[17:37] <shaman464> im sorry thats too bad
[17:37] <Kindred_Soul> thanks for telling me karel
[17:37] <jc> I'm a survior and this to me is just an excercise to the max.
[17:37] <Karelka1> Not too bad
[17:38] <Kindred_Soul> im considered to be in a safe location now but plan to secure a few acres in the country 40 or so miles from the city im in
[17:38] <Karelka1> My session  was just over and I don't want to hold any exams anymore!LOL My 8th semester/term has begun
[17:38] <shaman464> dont need to a deed wont mean anything
[17:39] <Kindred_Soul> im in my second quarter at school
[17:39] <Richard> hi all
[17:39] <Kindred_Soul> hi richard
[17:39] <Karelka1> Hi
[17:39] <shaman464> bye all back later
[17:39] <Kindred_Soul> bye shaman
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[17:39] <Karelka1> Bye
[17:39] <jc> Worked in Wash. State back in the 80's
[17:39] <Karelka1> Secure? How is that? A fence-)
[17:40] <Kindred_Soul> lol, purchase
[17:40] <Richard> Mugada: did you see the observatory at Canberra got burnt out?
[17:40] <Kindred_Soul> what part jc?
[17:40] <Karelka1> AH
[17:40] <Richard> only started taking digital pics of the Sthern sky a week ago
[17:40] <Mugada> sure did,,, government job 4 sure
[17:40] <Kindred_Soul> dont really like it much up here but moved from bay area of california almost 2 years ago
[17:41] <Richard> that was my feeling as well you know
[17:41] <Karelka1> The property won't be sacral anymore I guess
[17:41] <jc> richland at the wpps
[17:41] <Kindred_Soul> ok
[17:41] <Karelka1> what is wpps?
[17:42] <Mugada> it was a well visited tourist attraction , day time and night time viewing
[17:42] <jc> Boilermaker by trade but raised in the country on a farm
[17:42] <Mugada> me 2 jc
[17:43] <jc> washington public power supply system
[17:43] <Richard> has Ianz been here today do you know/walt, Mugada?
[17:43] <Karelka1> I'm done town dweller no hope with me
[17:43] <walt> just got here myself
[17:43] <Richard> ok
[17:43] <Mugada> hav't seen
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[17:44] <Karelka1> Bye
[17:44] <Richard> i think he's later in the evening
[17:44] <Richard> took day off work ytoday
[17:44] <Richard> more important things to do
[17:45] <Mugada> like chat rm
[17:45] <Karelka1> It is early morning and I am going to get punished IMHO Gonna to go after a while
[17:45] <Richard> now yeah  :+)
[17:45] <jc> I'm in upstate NY alond the coast of Lake Ontario so I'm in a safty zone
[17:45] <Karelka1> Are lakes safe? I am by a big lake
[17:47] <jc> Greak lakes safe. Some sloshing but not too bad here. Seaway to split and make Lake Ontario drop in level. this is good at this time.
[17:47] <Mugada> safe here karelka
[17:48] <Karelka1> Where?
[17:48] <Richard> just found a seed company today that is supposed to sell tropical seeds here in NZ and I see they have a website ...cool
[17:48] <jc> Oswego, NY
[17:48] <Mugada> east coast australia
[17:48] <Karelka1> Oh, that far-)))
[17:48] <Mugada> richard whats their url
[17:50] <Karelka1> I still think how all the subs sink and spill the nuclear waste or blow out
[17:50] <Richard> http://wwwegmontseeds.co.nz
[17:50] <Richard> oops
[17:50] <jc> Wear a hard hat. They can be had at just about any construction site. wear it. they are good protection
[17:50] <Mugada> lots of young back packers are going to get caught out of their own country
[17:50] <Richard> http://www.egmontseeds.co.nz
[17:50] <Karelka1> My island I used to live is just  sand on the damp..!
[17:50] <tied2> «§» Hello  «§»
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[17:51] <Karelka1> hello
[17:51] <karmie> Hello Karelka1 and everyone
[17:51] <Mugada> ty dick
[17:51] <jc> hello
[17:51] <Richard> hi Karmie
[17:51] <Richard> :+)
[17:51] <Karelka1> Do you realize what powers are the submarine? Hirosima and Chernobyl!
[17:51] <karmie> :)
[17:51] <Karelka1> Hello
[17:52] <jc> I don't understand your statement????
[17:52] <Karelka1> Zetas say they can reuce radiation. If they only would do it...
[17:53] <Richard> site doesn't look too promising Mugada
[17:53] <Karelka1> Radioactive elements are said to be able to dissipate more quickly. So force them to do it is aid to be possible
[17:53] <jc> a fossile fueled electric plant puts out more radition than a nuke
[17:53] <Mugada> put in bookmark read latter
[17:54] <Karelka1> There are just caves with buried parts of submarines. IF THEY'LL LEAK...
[17:54] <walt> JC how does it manage that?
[17:54] <walt> and what radiation?
[17:55] <Karelka1> There will be no desactivators able to  perform their task. My Dad was a dosimetrist.
[17:55] <walt> Gamma, bete, alpha??
[17:55] <Karelka1> They once desactivated a part of the Severodvinsk.
[17:55] <jc> I worked at nuke plants most of my working careare
[17:55] <jc> sp?
[17:55] <walt> career
[17:56] <Karelka1> Quasicolleagues...But my Dad is sleeping now
[17:56] <Karelka1> I know far less than him about radiation
[17:57] <walt> and what did you do in the nike plants?
[17:57] <walt> nuke
[17:57] <jc> radition at a nuke treated very differently than anywhere else. The silk mantel on a gasoline lanturn is highly radioactive but not reported as such
[17:57] <Karelka1> I have to go or I'll have no money to pay for Net. It was quite an experience to be with you in one chatroom, IMHO!!!
[17:58] <Karelka1> All the best
[17:58] <Kindred_Soul> bye
[17:58] <Richard> later
[17:58] <Mugada> bye
[17:58] <karmie> bye
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[17:59] <walt> JC you got a site for that?
[17:59] <jc> I was instrumental in building nuke plants. Fabrication of the reactors is Boilermaker work. Some of them are 14 inches thick.
[17:59] <Mugada> has any one got a ham radio
[18:00] <Mugada> big steel peices there
[18:01] <jc>  all nukes are lined with stainless steel to combate errosion
[18:01] <jc> my spelling is not good tonight
[18:02] <jc> lets get  back to the zta stuff
[18:03] <Kindred_Soul> so everyone a believer that its on its way in ?
[18:03] <Mugada> is any body going to set up a ham radio 4 after the shift
[18:04] <tied2> I am
[18:04] <Kindred_Soul> if i have the money i'll get a ham radio, but have never used one
[18:04] <Richard> good idea to
[18:04] <Richard> if only
[18:04] <karmie> ham radios will be valuable
[18:04] <jc> go to a bookstore and go to the Boyscout stuff and pick yourself up a copy of the Explorer HandBook. Survival stuff that's great.
[18:04] <Richard> saw one in a 2nd hand shop the other day
[18:05] <tied2> Mugada not I it's way to easy to zero in and they will know you have a power source and technology
[18:05] <jc> buy it now
[18:05] <Kindred_Soul> sounds like a good idea, i'll get several books
[18:05] <Mugada> new ones cost about $3000, aust .
[18:05] <Kindred_Soul> damn!
[18:06] <Kindred_Soul> would rather spend that kind of money on food supplies
[18:06] <Richard> M:ouch
[18:06] <Mugada> who will be left to chase us
[18:06] <Kindred_Soul> the bad guys
[18:06] <Kindred_Soul> lol
[18:06] <Mugada> 4 how long
[18:07] <Richard> http://www.aloha.com/~ritt/
[18:07] <jc> Took scouts out on outings without carried food. At the end of the weekend some scouts carried back food that they did'nt bring
[18:07] <Richard> Mugada: link to tropical fruit
[18:07] <walt> do you think only STO type people will survive?
[18:07] <Kindred_Soul> pretty cool jc
[18:07] <walt> probably be more STS type
[18:07] <Kindred_Soul> i agree walt
[18:07] <Kindred_Soul> they seem more organized
[18:07] <Richard> it will be a mixture walt
[18:07] <Mugada> ok  ty
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[18:08] <Richard> Mugada: what tropical vegetables are there?
[18:08] <QueenVee> ZT says that STS groups will not survive in the long run
[18:08] <Richard> hi QV
[18:08] <QueenVee> hey
[18:08] <jc> You will survive by whats between your two ears
[18:08] <karmie> Hi Queen - how are you this evening?
[18:08] <Mugada> great will look soon
[18:08] <QueenVee> only those able to work cooperatively will survive in the long run
[18:08] <tied2> «§» Hello QueenVee «§»
[18:08] <QueenVee> karmie: i'm good, thanks
[18:08] <walt> "in the long run"
[18:08] <karmie> :)
[18:09] <Kindred_Soul> hi queenvee, sorry to hear of your loss
[18:09] <walt> some of those STS types are very cooperative
[18:09] <Mugada> ??
[18:09] <QueenVee> thanks; my dog was very old, 16
[18:09] <Mugada> he pass away
[18:10] <QueenVee> walt: cooperative doesn't necessarily just mean working together
[18:10] <Richard> you have the Hound of the baskervilles now tho'?
[18:10] <QueenVee> Mugada: yes, he's gone; but i have a new dog now, just got him a week ago....
[18:10] <QueenVee> yes, Henry the Hound
[18:10] <Richard> Mugada: did you see my question about tropical veggies?
[18:10] <Richard> are there any?
[18:11] <Mugada> :-(    :-)
[18:11] <Richard> cool name Queen
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[18:11] <TheBard> Sup
[18:11] <Richard> Henry the Hound ...I like that
[18:11] <tied2> QV kewl a younger dog will be more tasty he he
[18:11] <QueenVee> hello bard -- what brings you to this room?
[18:11] <Mugada> yes richard
[18:12] <Richard> yes you saw the q or yes there are tropi veegies?
[18:12] <karmie> "Henry The Harriest Hound"
[18:12] <Mugada> sweet potato
[18:12] <QueenVee> Henry the Harrier Hound
[18:12] <Richard> thanks
[18:12] <QueenVee> Bard: ARE YOU THERE?
[18:12] <karmie> but wouldn't the top dog be the harriest?
[18:13] <Kindred_Soul> Queenvee, did you read that post by m hazelwood on nancy at rumormill?
[18:13] <QueenVee> KS: yes, who hasn't?
[18:13] <QueenVee> why?
[18:13] <Richard> i haven't
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[18:13] <Kindred_Soul> i just did, was shocked by what he has the nerve to say
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[18:13] <Richard> I think they are picking on Nancy
[18:14] <QueenVee> the guy's a huge loser; i wouldn't give it a second thought
[18:14] <Richard> only fear does that
[18:14] <QueenVee> Richard: don't worry, Nancy can take it
[18:14] <Richard> good
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[18:15] <QueenVee> it's truly bizarre; clearly both hazelwood and mccanney hope to gain some kind of "fame" via this (if not money) and want to eliminate what they see as competition
[18:15] <Richard> i see both say "buy my book now"
[18:15] <Kindred_Soul> hi red, hows life?
[18:15] <QueenVee> if they were truly concerned about informing the public about the shift, they wouldn't care WHERE people get their information from, as long as they prepare
[18:15] <Red> Hey KS  Its been a while
[18:15] <Red> All OK here thanks, how are you doing?
[18:16] <Kindred_Soul> yes it has
[18:16] <Kindred_Soul> been busy with school and life
[18:16] <Richard> mccanney only mentions MAY 15th 3 times in his interview
[18:16] <Red> school?
[18:16] <Kindred_Soul> trying to acquire land still
[18:16] <QueenVee> lol, too true
[18:16] <Richard> then trys to say it could be 10, 100 years away
[18:16] <Mugada> hope they both have pockets full of money when the shift happens,,, and nowhere to spend it
[18:16] <Richard> lol
[18:16] <Kindred_Soul> web tech degree
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[18:17] <Kindred_Soul> plus i get 4500 a quarter to go to school
[18:17] <Red> nice!  
[18:17] <ukuz_zzz> hi  :)
[18:17] <Richard> Mugada: you come up with anything other than sweet potato?
[18:17] <Richard> i don't wanna be mr potato head
[18:17] <Mugada> not of the top of my head ,, istill thinking
[18:18] <Richard> ok
[18:18] <Richard> yams?
[18:18] <Mugada> same
[18:18] <walt> taro?
[18:18] <Richard> different names diofferent copuntries
[18:18] <Richard> yep thanks walt
[18:19] <walt> tapioca
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[18:19] <Richard> i think i remember reading somewhere tapioca is a complicated plant to grow
[18:19] <Richard> will need to look into that further
[18:20] <Richard> comes from a tree I think
[18:20] <Red> what?  tropical foods?   Cassava (sp) is a staple now in the Indonesia area
[18:20] <Richard> the sap from under the bark?
[18:20] <Mugada> yep from pulping the trunk
[18:20] <Richard> you in Indonesia red?
[18:20] <Red> nope   Alberta, Canada
[18:21] <Richard> hey miles away
[18:21] <Red> killometers if ya please  ;)
[18:21] <Richard> anyone know if something like cabbage would grow in the tropic
[18:21] <Kindred_Soul> lol
[18:22] <Richard> hey kilos away
[18:22] <Red> hehe
[18:22] <Richard> ;)
[18:23] <karmie> cabbages like cool weather - usually a fall crop
[18:23] <Richard> yeah I think many of the veggies we are familiar with will not like the muggy heat
[18:23] <walt> spring and fall
[18:24] <walt> plant cabbages when there is still snow on the ground
[18:24] <walt> mid march
[18:24] <Mugada> must check the foods out more,,
[18:24] <Richard> yeah Mugada that is an important one
[18:25] <Richard> we are collecting seed but it might all die off in the tropics
[18:25] <walt> Check local university MUG for book on Ethnobotany
[18:25] <Mugada> nuts grains vegies, fruits
[18:25] <Red> finding out what grows is step one, acquiring seed is trickier...  Canada custons won't let you bring that kind of stuff in often  might be better where you are
[18:25] <Mugada> ok wait
[18:25] <Richard> same here Red in new zealnd
[18:26] <Richard> even stuff from australia is being checked over plenty
[18:26] <Red> yeah here even US oranges are verboten
[18:27] <Richard> they are checking to see if the syrince with the orange die has been left in carton
[18:27] <Mugada> same here accross state borders
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[18:27] <Kindred_Soul> bye for now everyone, be back soon
[18:27] <Red> see ya KS
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[18:27] <Richard> ok KS
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[18:28] <Jimmy> Hello
[18:28] <Red> Hiya Jimmy
[18:28] <Jimmy> HI
[18:28] <Jimmy> I have stored some food and water.
[18:29] <QueenVee> hello Jimmy -- what brings you to this room?
[18:29] <Red> water already?   How have you preserved it?
[18:29] <Jimmy> Bottled water
[18:29] <Red> ah    that will work ;)
[18:29] <Jimmy> Hi QueenVee
[18:29] <walt> 55 gal drums
[18:29] <Jimmy> I believe the what the Zetas talk about.
[18:30] <Jimmy> opps...  
[18:30] <Richard> Mugada: I see tubers are classed as tropical vegetable
[18:30] <Jimmy> I have about 200 litres of water in plastic containers.
[18:30] <Richard> so our perception of veggies is different to tropics view?
[18:30] <Jimmy> Has anyone here read about 'the lift' ?
[18:31] <Jimmy> Lift
[18:31] <Richard> yep
[18:31] <Jimmy> cool\
[18:31] <Jimmy> cool
[18:31] <Richard> we have been told not to expect it
[18:31] <Jimmy> Richard, have you seen this site?   ..  www.operationterra.com
[18:32] <Jimmy> not to expect it?
[18:32] <Jimmy> why?
[18:32] <Richard> yes was getting the newsletter
[18:32] <Richard> zeta's talk about 'the lift'
[18:32] <Richard> correct me if I'm wrong
[18:32] <Jimmy> This chat is cool.
[18:33] <Jimmy> I've been looking for a place like this for a long time.
[18:33] <Richard> why? ... because if you expect things they don't happen
[18:33] <Jimmy> really?
[18:33] <QueenVee> Jimmy: why are you giving us a link to "operation terra"?
[18:34] <Jimmy> Queen, because it seems to be related to the zetatalk site in regards to 'the lift'.
[18:34] <QueenVee> Jimmy: no, it is not
[18:34] <Jimmy> They both talk about the lift.
[18:34] <QueenVee> Jimmy: operation terra does not reflect zetatalk at all
[18:35] * QueenVee sets mode: +m
[18:35] <QueenVee> Jimmy: go and read what zetatalk has to say about "the lift" -- it does not in any way reflect what operation terra is saying
[18:35] <QueenVee> operation terra basically says there are those who will be taken up and saved from the poleshift
[18:35] <QueenVee> that is NOT what zetatalk is saying
[18:36] <QueenVee> ZT says that certain STO people with an important role to play have been given the offer of being saved from dying so that they can continue to play their role on earth...
[18:36] <QueenVee> NOT to escape the poleshift and aftertime
[18:36] * QueenVee sets mode: -m
[18:37] <Jimmy> Queen, will you be lifted?
[18:37] <QueenVee> Jimmy: don't be an ass
[18:37] <Jimmy> ???
[18:37] <Jimmy> WTF
[18:37] <Jimmy> okay Queen...  what ever
[18:38] <Jimmy> Anyone here part zeta?
[18:38] <QueenVee> here is what ZT says about "the lift", and how groups like Operation Terra completely misunderstand and misconstrue