Session Start: Thu Jan 23 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
[00:00] <Scuba> never cn u here b4
[00:00] <humvee> I had forgotten how cool Nancy's Vision page is so m printing it
[00:01] <[]GregACNJ> mostly in the last 4 weeks. I just got miRC then.
[00:01] <Scuba> o
[00:01] <humvee> good description of the results of the ps
[00:01] <Richard> i seen Greg here last three days
[00:01] <Joyee> Rich it says that South East Asia will be under water.. thats where I am
[00:01] <Scuba> np
[00:01] <Richard> where ?
[00:01] <sundar> Thailand
[00:01] <Richard> which country?
[00:01] <Joyee> Malaysia
[00:02] <Richard> is this first time you have seen zetatalk site?
[00:02] <Scuba> brb
[00:02] <Joyee> No
[00:03] <Richard> have you seen safe locations document?
[00:03] <sundar> I believe that with such a deluge on pacific (as per Nancy's predictions), most of India will submerge
[00:03] <Joyee> I dunno, not sure I am able to relocate myself to a safe area
[00:03] <Joyee> Nearest would be eastern part of Australia
[00:04] <Richard> brb
[00:04] <Scuba> bac
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[00:06] <humvee> click on:  http://www.zetatalk.com/tinfo24u.htm
[00:06] <humvee> Joyee above:
[00:06] <humvee> click on the link and it will open 4 you
[00:06] <[]GregACNJ> Just for fun here's a SCUBA blast from the past
[00:07] <Joyee> thanks hum
[00:07] <[]GregACNJ> [23:22] <scuba> o    LOL   AT WINGNUTS scooby
[00:07] <[]GregACNJ> couple of weeks ago
[00:08] <Richard> didn't go anywhere humvee
[00:08] <Richard> 404 error message
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[00:09] <humvee> http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm    is for all other safe locations
[00:09] <Richard> ha Joyee left
[00:09] <humvee> darned she left just before i posted
[00:10] <Aaaaa> she got your earlier link
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[00:10] <Richard> from Malaysia ...could be a guy's nick
[00:10] <humvee> the news on MALAYSIA must not have been too encouraging - LOL
[00:10] <Richard> hi Joyee
[00:10] <humvee> joy = gay  i think
[00:10] <joyee> it says that Malaysia will be utterly drown
[00:10] <Richard> how old are you?
[00:11] <joyee> 20s
[00:11] <Richard> phew
[00:11] <joyee> I might just resign myself to dying
[00:11] <Richard> that's why zetatalk site not known
[00:12] <Richard> to close to the bone for many
[00:12] <joyee> hmm...
[00:12] <Richard> all the same read the transformation page Joyee
[00:12] <humvee> joyee some areas are safe you have to look @ close by places
[00:12] <joyee> ok
[00:13] <humvee> I posted the link   i will repost it wait a moment
[00:13] <joyee> no means to travel to a safer place
[00:13] <Richard> must relook at safe locations doc
[00:13] <joyee> after the poleshift, not only will the country be inundated but will end up somewhere in the south pole
[00:14] <walt> buy cold weather clothing
[00:14] <humvee> http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo242.htm  try this
[00:14] <humvee> pretty close to it (india)
[00:15] <joyee> good idea walt .. plus some life jackets
[00:15] <Aaaaa> Joyee, are you native to Malaysia?
[00:15] <joyee> Yes
[00:15] <humvee> what area near you is high ground?
[00:16] <humvee> mountains
[00:16] <walt> One thing bothers me
[00:16] <joyee> none, I think the whole region right up to the south of China will be drowned
[00:16] <walt> if the planet rotates 90 deg
[00:16] <walt> wont the axis be pointing towards the sun?
[00:16] <humvee> I am looking @ my worlk atlas
[00:16] <Richard> we are looking at worst case scenerio
[00:17] <walt> which would mean 1/2 would be in darkness and 1/2 in light
[00:18] <Richard> what you saying there walt?
[00:19] <walt> we are spinning at a vertical axis with the sun right now
[00:19] <Richard> north to south
[00:19] <walt> if we rotate 90 wouldnt that put the axis point pointing to the sun?
[00:19] <humvee> the rotation stop is not a problem
[00:19] <Richard> no axis remains in same place
[00:20] <Richard> just crust moves
[00:20] <walt> then how can we do a pole shift
[00:20] <Richard> but poles attempt to move during pass
[00:20] <Richard> then return to original position?
[00:20] <humvee> richard joyee is in thiland?
[00:20] <Richard> at same time crust has moved ?
[00:21] <Richard> no malaysia
[00:21] <Aaaaa> poles moved to new locs on earth
[00:21] <Richard> Aaaaa: so they move and stay at new pos?
[00:21] <humvee> Joyee where are you exactly country town
[00:21] <Aaaaa> brazil new n pole
[00:21] <Richard> India new sth pole
[00:22] <Aaaaa> india new s pole  yes
[00:22] <Richard> so both poles and crust move?
[00:22] <joyee> Humvee: Kuala Lumpur
[00:22] <Aaaaa> usa all in n hemisphere
[00:22] <Aaaaa> west coast now facing s
[00:23] <humvee> ok looking
[00:23] <Aaaaa> ZT has post time map
[00:23] <Richard> the safe locations doc froze on my puter so can't look until I reboot
[00:23] <Richard> back soon
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[00:24] <joyee> Yea, i saw the post time map
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[00:24] <Aaaaa> Joyee, were all rooting for you
[00:25] <joyee> Humvee: Its north of Singapore
[00:25] <joyee> Thanks Aaaaa
[00:25] <Aaaaa> :)
[00:26] <humvee> Himalayas seem to b the high ground by you
[00:26] <dave7> Message for Queenvee. A Racoon can rip apart 2 fully grown German shepards.
[00:27] <Aaaaa> my Lab wouldnt go near one
[00:27] <humvee> joyee there is still 4 month before the pole shift
[00:28] <joyee> Hum: what do you suggest
[00:28] <joyee> Pull out now??
[00:29] <joyee> To the Himalayas
[00:29] <humvee> i think a solution can b found how possible is it to travel between countrys from kuala lumpur
[00:30] <joyee> Theres no problem travelling, its the uprooting and leaving family and friends
[00:31] <humvee> yes my relitives here only 3 out of 12 are going to safety
[00:31] <joyee> Where are you located, BTW
[00:31] <humvee> i would read zetataly and its troubled times for information
[00:32] <humvee> become a travelor leaving in time to walk to boat and walk to the higest safe place
[00:32] <humvee> www.zetatalk.com
[00:33] <joyee> The nearest mountain here is Mt. Kinabalu in Sabah, North Borneo, could go there
[00:33] <humvee> how high is it above sea level?
[00:34] <Aaaaa> is it volcanic?
[00:34] <joyee> Not sure, maybe 15 - 20,000 feet
[00:34] <[]GregACNJ> ALL -  reading the TT list I came across this URL http://www.huttoncommentaries.com It seems quite interesting, is anyone familiar with the site?
[00:34] <joyee> will it be safe
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[00:34] <dave7> All volcanno's will be going off. It's not a Volcanno is it?
[00:34] <[]GregACNJ> http://www.huttoncommentaries.com
[00:35] <humvee> you dont want to be higher than 5000' asl because the air will become 1/2 so higher all will suffocate
[00:35] <joyee> No, its not volcanic, highest in SE Asia
[00:35] <Richard> news on poleshift news page about planet shaping like pumpkin with bulge at equator
[00:36] <Richard> here in new zealand i feel the pressure is lower
[00:36] <humvee> be low in a ditch with tin/metal cover over for gravel that will fall  is all on the zetatalk web site
[00:36] <Richard> dirt over metal cover as well
[00:36] <dave7> Equatorial New New Zealand
[00:37] <Richard> no we are south/west of Australia at present
[00:37] <dave7> New one
[00:37] <Richard> so I'm saying closer to sth pole (& nrth pole) less pressure at present
[00:38] <dave7> 300ft higher Richard
[00:38] <Aaaaa> Joyee, you must help some Malays survive, you are beautiful people!
[00:38] <Richard> its moved to equator
[00:38] <Richard> I agree Aaaaa
[00:38] <joyee> Aaaaa, have you met some before
[00:38] <Aaaaa> yes
[00:38] <Richard> same
[00:39] <joyee> Thanks for the compliment
[00:39] <Richard> Mr Fam lives on my post (mail) run
[00:39] <Aaaaa> :)
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[00:40] <dave7> Try and get your survival group sorted out joyee
[00:41] <humvee> new guinea and western australia will be close to the new equator
[00:41] <Richard> humvee: west australia disappears under water as well as India
[00:41] <joyee> I'll figure something out dave, time is running short though
[00:41] <Richard> on same plate
[00:42] <humvee> you could mugrate there after the pole shift as the more you go in that direction the warmer the climate will be
[00:42] <Richard> joyee: if its any comfit even those preparing don't know if they will survive
[00:42] <dave7> The straight between North & south islands of New Zealand is right on Equator after P.S.
[00:42] <Richard> yep dave
[00:42] <Richard> and more land mass apparently
[00:42] <Richard> but gotta survive shift first
[00:43] <Richard> swirling waters for us
[00:43] <dave7> Bannana's?
[00:43] <humvee> remember the western 2/3 of australia will be under the water
[00:43] <Richard> funny that dave
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[00:43] <Richard> just other day scientists say banana's will be gone in 10 years
[00:44] <dave7> i'm saving my Mango seeds
[00:44] <Richard> dave you in aussie?
[00:44] <humvee> y because bananas grow in lower areas?
[00:44] <dave7> Vic.
[00:44] <Richard> rural?
[00:44] <dave7> Central
[00:44] <Richard> not sure humvee
[00:44] <Richard> cool
[00:45] <Richard> i'm north island nz
[00:45] <humvee> richard hard situation for joyee living on a sinking world
[00:45] <Richard> can see why zeta message not pushed
[00:46] <Richard> imagine the panic in a country like india
[00:46] <humvee> y do say not pushed?
[00:46] <humvee> India will go swiftly luckily
[00:46] <Richard> or promoted
[00:46] <dave7> i would'nt be a cheerful if i was in W.A.
[00:46] <Richard> have friends in west australia
[00:46] <humvee> I think the truth is just hard to get out
[00:47] <dave7> Have you told them?
[00:47] <Richard> were supposed to be back in nz January but haven't heard from them
[00:47] <humvee> send them a note re visiting in May
[00:47] <Richard> dave its hard to know how to rack the ice on this subject with some people
[00:47] <Richard> rack =crack
[00:47] <dave7> Yep
[00:48] <humvee> yes my dr and friend is away now went to find a home in california which will soom sink also
[00:48] <Richard> you either have to be completely truthful or not say anything
[00:48] <humvee> with most i dont say anything
[00:48] <Richard> same humvee
[00:49] <dave7> It's like the cop on Sunday morning at the door of the dead youths parents house, with the bad news..
[00:49] <humvee> but i m always looking 4 a spark in ppls eyes then i tell & give a paper strip w/infopx
[00:49] <Richard> dave you linked up with other australians that visit here?
[00:49] <humvee> y creepie
[00:49] <Richard> again same here humvee
[00:49] <dave7> Yes Mugada
[00:50] <Scuba> same here
[00:50] <Richard> cool
[00:50] <dave7> In the Blue Mountains
[00:50] <Richard> Mugada told me a little
[00:50] <Richard> sounds like good people
[00:50] <Richard> should be a good community
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[00:51] <Richard> i'll have to sail south afterwards and visit   :+)
[00:52] <Richard> fires in your neck of the woods dave?
[00:52] <Scuba> gnite
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[00:52] <Richard> later Scuba
[00:54] <dave7> Yeh. you should see the sun tonite
[00:55] <dave7> Freaked me out, it's ORANGE
[00:55] <Richard> it only 8pm there now?
[00:55] <dave7> same here
[00:55] <Richard> no 8pm your place
[00:55] <dave7> Must be the smoke
[00:55] <Richard> its 10pm here
[00:56] <Aaaaa> It's almost 1 am here, gotta get some zzzzz's, g'nite all
[00:56] <dave7> sorry Richard had to rush outside before
[00:56] <Richard> later Aaaaa
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[00:57] <Richard> at least there shouldn't be anything left to burn come May might be a blessing
[00:57] <dave7> That's what i thought
[00:57] <Richard> Mt Maunganui went up in fire overnight
[00:58] <Richard> rudy great black rock sitting in the water now
[00:58] <dave7> 13 N.Z. firefighters & 2 aircraft specialists came over to help the other day
[00:58] <Richard> its a holiday beach
[00:58] <Richard> saw that in news
[01:00] <dave7> Heard of name, but can only think of that island off coast
[01:00] <humvee> goodnite all - im gone 2 bed
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[01:00] <Richard> White Island you mean
[01:00] <Richard> its on fault line
[01:01] <Richard> in Bay of Plenty
[01:01] <dave7> Sulfur smells. Yeh that sounds like it
[01:01] <Richard> runs down to Wellington. Northwards thro' Kermedec Island
[01:01] <Richard> yep that'll be white island
[01:01] <Richard> Rotorua is part of same complex
[01:02] <dave7> Got a Maori friend in Darwin. Had to tell him the other nite. He said he's got a machine gun.
[01:03] <Richard> who's he gonna shoot?
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[01:03] <dave7> Buggered if i know.
[01:03] <Richard> ~:+)
[01:04] <dave7> Wasn't happy about May date. Told him to head East. Darwin will be like Atlantis
[01:04] <Richard> you read Sumatra had an 8.0 today
[01:05] <Richard> felt it in Bangkok apparewntly
[01:05] <Richard> that's big
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[01:06] <dave7> NO. but looking at Queens shift2003 site Soloman Isands quakes are getting progressively larger
[01:07] <Richard> which plate are they on?
[01:07] <Richard> same as Malaysia?
[01:08] <dave7> NOT sure but they may or may not end up out west of Aust.
[01:08] <Richard> crazy
[01:08] <dave7> With PNG
[01:09] <dave7> We are going for the ride of our life bro
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[01:09] <Richard> it will be completely unknown to any of us
[01:09] <Richard> who knows who will survive & won't
[01:10] <dave7> Thinking today of wrapping up in foam matress with crash helmet on
[01:10] <Richard> not silly
[01:10] <Richard> what is quake intensity like for aussie
[01:10] <dave7> in me trusty trench
[01:10] <Richard> IE jolting or sliding
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[01:11] <dave7> 3's 4's
[01:11] <Richard> we are mainly sliding here
[01:11] <Richard> hey Ian
[01:12] <IaNZ> Hey Richard..can u do that private chat trick..
[01:12] <dave7> Look out 2 Kiwis in one room
[01:12] <Richard> lol
[01:13] <Richard> I lived in Melbourne for a couple years dave
[01:13] <dave7> We are 100 clicks out
[01:14] <dave7> on north edge of range
[01:14] <Richard> remeber a guy I knew saying one day lets go to a party in Adelaide tonight
[01:14] <Richard> from Melbourne
[01:14] <Richard> you aussies are crazy
[01:14] <dave7> healthy drive
[01:15] <dave7> i've been mad for f...... years
[01:15] <Richard> :+0
[01:15] <dave7> Pink floyd
[01:15] <Richard> never did make party
[01:15] <Richard> crashed car close to border
[01:16] <dave7> great
[01:16] <Richard> 2sm in morning
[01:16] <Richard> rural hospital was closed for nogth
[01:16] <Richard> nogth =night
[01:16] <dave7> i got knocked out racing motorcycles, that's my excuse
[01:17] <dave7> how bad
[01:17] <Richard> had to demand the matron let us in
[01:17] <IaNZ> We dont need an excuse to be crazy
[01:18] <dave7> fair enough Ian
[01:18] <Richard> there were a heap of people here earlier this afternoon nz/aussie time
[01:19] <IaNZ> Any other NZers that u know of?
[01:19] <dave7> How do you create a private channel here?
[01:19] <Richard> a female in Wellington
[01:19] <Richard> said the craziest thing about we are safe
[01:19] <Richard> dave double click on a name right hand menu bar
[01:19] <IaNZ> Wow.. thats double crazy!
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[01:20] <Richard> are names on right side?
[01:20] <dave7> Thankyou
[01:20] <Richard> you understand the thinking there Ian
[01:20] <Richard> we are safe as if being end of the world makes us safe
[01:21] <IaNZ> Wellington is instant death
[01:21] <Richard> too much Lord of Rings me thinks
[01:21] <IaNZ> Plenty of company of course
[01:21] <dave7> What a beautiful place N.Z.
[01:21] <Richard> dave double click my name
[01:22] <IaNZ> I have a good friend on the waterfront..Lowrey Bay
[01:22] <Richard> you told him Ian
[01:22] <IaNZ> Yes..thinks I'm crazy
[01:23] <IaNZ> We were flatmates at Uni.
[01:23] <Richard> well time will tell
[01:23] <Richard> in meantime it doesn't hurt to prepare
[01:23] <IaNZ> So he should know that I'm not that dumb..
[01:24] <Richard> like preparing for a rainy day so to speak
[01:24] <IaNZ> VERY rainy
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[01:25] <Richard> did beetroot bottling today Ian
[01:26] <IaNZ> I read... but going to need a bit more than that.
[01:26] <Richard> I know
[01:26] <IaNZ> I tried to buy some jars at the dump/recycling.. but only had 3
[01:26] <IaNZ> Said he had just thrown out 100
[01:26] <Richard> working away at it
[01:27] <Richard> arggghhh
[01:27] <IaNZ> Ever done pressure canning... meat?
[01:27] <Richard> no
[01:28] <IaNZ> We have a pressure canner.. but never used it..more common in USA
[01:28] <Richard> is that putting food in cans
[01:29] <IaNZ> Can do fish, beans etc.. in Jars.. they just call it canning..
[01:29] <Richard> argghhh
[01:29] <Richard> language difference
[01:29] <IaNZ> A bit technical... but necessary
[01:30] <IaNZ> You don't have Carla???
[01:30] <Richard> Carla??
[01:30] <IaNZ> Thats the book someone mentioned last wk.  The bible on all such skills.
[01:31] <Richard> no don't have Carla
[01:31] <IaNZ> All USA sites list as must have,  Carla and a gun!!??
[01:32] <IaNZ> Dont know if u can get it here.. Amazon...
[01:32] <Richard> card maxed out
[01:32] <Richard> have SAS Survival Handbook
[01:32] <Richard> very respected book
[01:33] <IaNZ> No worries.. ive been collecting for 30 yrs...
[01:33] <IaNZ> I think pioneering rather than SAS
[01:34] <IaNZ> If you are reduced to SAS.. your prep has failed
[01:34] <Richard> argghhh
[01:34] <Richard> will tell more on sunday
[01:34] <IaNZ> Know anything about Ham radio
[01:35] <Richard> no Ian
[01:35] <Richard> saw one in 2nd hand shop other day
[01:35] <IaNZ> Too bad... me little too..
[01:35] <Richard> but don't know which dial from which
[01:35] <IaNZ> How much?
[01:35] <Richard> didn't look
[01:36] <Richard> but going back in a week or so
[01:36] <Richard> will check
[01:36] <IaNZ> Find out.. there is one here for $600... but it's kinda specialised..
[01:36] <Richard> ok
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[01:37] <obany> hi
[01:37] <Richard> hey obany
[01:37] <IaNZ> Like strictly poleshift... otherwise I wouldn't bother
[01:37] <obany> how are you doing Richard?
[01:37] <Richard> good good
[01:37] <IaNZ> There are quite a few Hams in my neighbourhood
[01:38] <Richard> which way do you read that Ian?
[01:38] <IaNZ> Ice on the canals Obany??
[01:38] <Richard> whats new obany?
[01:38] <Richard> chickens is what we need
[01:39] <IaNZ> Have a few.. and will get some more..
[01:39] <IaNZ> Bloody young roosters crowing all the time..
[01:40] <IaNZ> You might get fresh rooster for lunch....
[01:40] <Richard> :+)
[01:40] <IaNZ> If u arrive early ... u can even pluck it yourself...
[01:40] <Richard> great!!
[01:41] <Richard> lol
[01:41] <Richard> remeber habnging chooks over bath once
[01:41] <Richard>  amn what a pong
[01:41] <Richard> man what a pong
[01:41] <IaNZ> It's a skill I have to re learn
[01:41] <Richard> took literally months not to want to puke everytime went in bathroom
[01:42] <obany> IaNZ: not freezing over here .. so
[01:42] <IaNZ> Why.. to tenderise??
[01:42] <obany> what's new .. well not much
[01:42] <Richard> too muggy ...chooks went green was new to farming then
[01:43] <Richard> i went green too
[01:43] <IaNZ> Have to go.. shower and  bed... promise no green chooks....catch ya
[01:43] <Richard> soon
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[01:45] <obany> ooh well i am still here
[01:45] <Richard> same
[01:46] <obany> and what about the others, did they chat or ?
[01:46] <Richard> not unless in private chat!
[01:47] <Richard> but not here
[01:47] <Richard> many like to watch i think
[01:47] <Richard> us crazies
[01:47] <Richard> :+)
[01:47] <obany> probably so :)
[01:49] <obany> no interference of our friend sapph :)
[01:50] <Richard> not tonight
[01:50] <Richard> last night tho
[01:51] <obany> indeed, not this morning but last morning yes .. but then i banned him
[01:52] <Richard> good
[01:52] <Richard> he advertised his .org site
[01:53] <Richard> debunkers continue to enjoy coming here tho'
[01:54] <obany> yes yes, there are some postings also on sci.astro about getting in the zetatalk session(s) when banned
[01:55] <Richard> any new info from Jan 18th sightings yet?
[01:57] <obany> nope not yet, but i think we can expect it soon ... new info that is   
[01:57] <obany> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=wMidndCXSsLqNrCjXTWcrg%40jvlnet.com&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dobany%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26scoring%3Dd%26selm%3DwMidndCXSsLqNrCjXTWcrg%2540jvlnet.com%26rnum%3D2
[01:57] <obany> just check that out
[01:58] <Richard> hold
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[01:59] <Richard> woah
[01:59] <Richard> you ban whole ISP?
[02:01] <obany> for what i know his range is banned so not exactly the whole ISP.. but there are times yes    
[02:02] <Richard> well they don't need to come here if they don't believe so their choice
[02:02] <obany> the 182* .... is banned .. wich is his IP range for what i know
[02:02] <obany> elwoods
[02:05] <obany> he kept joining in to do the nasty thing .. well
[02:05] <obany> so he did it to himself
[02:05] <Richard> elwood? yes seen himhere once
[02:06] <Richard> i don't understand why they want to debunk if they don't believe except fear can do this to people
[02:07] <Richard> and the elite
[02:07] <obany> sigh what a loony http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=27723
[02:08] <obany> Hazlewood
[02:08] <obany> the pictures from Steve are NASA pictures
[02:08] <obany> go figure
[02:09] <Richard> hey I "feel" it
[02:09] <obany> Steve is from Canada, not a USA citizen and he is for real ...
[02:10] <Richard> never looked through a telescope
[02:10] * obany neither
[02:10] <Richard> but the signs are there all around everyday
[02:10] <obany> I agree ...
[02:10] <Richard> can't fake every news article
[02:12] <obany> right
[02:13] <Richard> shrill
[02:13] <Richard> like Nancy said
[02:13] <Richard> Nancy/zeta's
[02:13] <obany> but what that Hazlewood is saying that it are NASA pictures is utterly nonsense
[02:14] <Richard> he is debunking himself
[02:14] <obany> i am not the one doubting the Zetas, and Steve Havas is a trustable guy
[02:14] <obany> Richard: right
[02:14] <Richard> cause he wanted to make money from it in 1st place
[02:15] <Richard> so now he makes hisself look stupid
[02:17] <obany> right, even selling baseballcaps and t-shirts trough his site now to promote his planetx2003
[02:17] <obany> sigh
[02:18] <Richard> baseball caps ?!?!?!?
[02:18] <Richard> pathetic
[02:19] <Richard> they all worn backwards today anyhow
[02:19] <Richard> lol
[02:19] <Richard> sideways
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[02:21] <Richard> well guys I
[02:21] <Richard> better away
[02:21] <obany> http://www.planetx2003.com/html/store.html
[02:21] <obany> :P
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[02:22] <Richard> Ill see you in the morrow
[02:22] <Richard> bye
[02:22] <obany> bye
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[04:33] <obaway> hi
[04:33] <West_coast> hi
[04:34] <West_coast> quiet this time of the morning
[04:35] <obaway> yes yes, guess it will get more talkative later on
[04:37] <West_coast> just wandered in..will be back later on
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[05:51] <Mike> Looking for someone in Michigan who believes a poleshift is immenint...
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[07:17] <Dsarith> Hi all
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[07:42] <humvee> good morning
[07:42] <Dsarith> Hiya Humvee
[07:42] <humvee> hiya - hiya
[07:43] <Dsarith> Its quiet this mroning
[07:43] <Dsarith> morning
[07:43] <Dsarith> :-)
[07:44] <humvee> yes - we r up early discussing packing moving and leaving
[07:44] <humvee> :+)
[07:45] <Dsarith> Cool... I am sorry I missed that conversation
[07:46] <humvee> hawall > MN  20' container + 3 Airtickets  =  :+)
[07:47] <humvee> + cat (of coarse) - LOL
[07:48] <Dsarith> Of course the cat :-)
[07:48] <Dsarith> You are going where humvee
[07:48] <Dsarith> MN
[07:49] <humvee> we are buying a small cabin on 5 wooded acres in norty Minesota
[07:49] <humvee> north
[07:49] <Dsarith> Thats cool
[07:49] <humvee> where will u b 4 ps
[07:49] <Dsarith> Is Minesota suppose to be safe
[07:50] <humvee> yes w/least loss of technology
[07:50] <Dsarith> I will head to Colorado I think. Best I can tell its safe
[07:50] <humvee> yes hi up in Eastern part
[07:50] <Dsarith> Yep
[07:50] <Dsarith> Have you already bought the cabi
[07:51] <Dsarith> cabin
[07:51] <humvee> dad is there going to put down payment on it
[07:52] <humvee> we hav 2  five acre lots in Colorado
[07:52] <Dsarith> Good Deal
[07:52] <Dsarith> What are you doing with those acres
[07:52] <Dsarith> And why not move onto those
[07:53] <humvee> we want 2 b in hunting / fishing area and dad family can only goto canada so we must b close
[07:53] <Dsarith> Ah gotcha
[07:53] <humvee> I can put you intouch with the land keeper in Co
[07:53] <Dsarith> How old are you humvee?
[07:53] <Dsarith> I am 36
[07:54] <Dsarith> Old man :-)
[07:54] <humvee> I am 57 my wife is 35
[07:54] <humvee> young men - lol
[07:54] <Dsarith> lol
[07:54] <Dsarith> I am glad I am not alone in this room
[07:55] <Dsarith> I thought I was one of the older men
[07:55] <humvee> this room helps 2 ground me is a good thing
[07:55] <Dsarith> How long have you been planning for this shift. Sounds like awhile
[07:56] <humvee> 2 years but did not consentrate in earnest till lately
[07:56] <humvee> u?
[07:57] <Dsarith> I have just started... Came across Zetatalk through Art Bell site one day and been in this room ever since.
[07:57] <Dsarith> I told my parents about this and my girlfriend but they all think I am nuts
[07:58] <Dsarith> So I have to wait to get them moving with me. They have all agreed that when PX can be seen in the Sky they will move.
[07:58] <humvee> then u r as up to speed - jesus said a profit is never believed in his own town - lol
[07:58] <Dsarith> lol
[07:58] <humvee> would u like 2 use our lots?
[07:59] <Dsarith> I am going to find a place in Colorado and dig me out a trench set up
[07:59] <Dsarith> Then look for a cave for aftertime
[07:59] <Dsarith> So I got that much anyways
[08:00] <humvee> yes  good plan  our land is high and relitively isolated but has good access to move after
[08:00] <Dsarith> The good thing is aftertime land will be cheap... lol
[08:01] <Dsarith> No one will have rights to it unless they are alive and then maybe...
[08:01] <humvee> true - the neighbor who sold us the lots is sto knows the basics re ps
[08:01] <Dsarith> You already have a psuedo community going
[08:01] <Dsarith> Thats cool
[08:02] <humvee> she will help u set up and could help u network @ no charge just neighborly
[08:03] <Dsarith> Yep
[08:03] <humvee> her name is Barbra Guffy  and u can call her @  (719)379-0890
[08:04] <Dsarith> Cool... Let me write that down
[08:04] <Dsarith> Is she in Colorado?
[08:04] <humvee> just tell her you would like to see the area and the lots
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[08:05] <Dsarith> Thanks a lot humvee
[08:05] <Dsarith> Hi Tied
[08:05] <humvee> and Conrad and Christine said u should call
[08:05] <humvee> np
[08:05] <Dsarith> I have written her down and as time gets closer I will definetly.
[08:06] <Dsarith> Have you started storing food
[08:06] <humvee> yes we just realized that we r going 2 ship a small container so we can move food n every thing else to MN
[08:07] <humvee> rice is really cheap here
[08:07] <Dsarith> Somebody mentioned that they are going to bury food in several places, just in case one gets taken
[08:07] <Dsarith> I thought that that was very good idea
[08:08] <humvee> yes that is a good part of a survival plan
[08:08] <humvee> that way ppl can stop over for soup but u dont have much on the shelf
[08:09] <Dsarith> Rice, beans, Water Distiller, and Beef Jerky
[08:09] <Dsarith> Basics
[08:09] <humvee> If u set up in CO buy ckickens in flats of eggs are inexpensive .60 each chix  
[08:10] <humvee> then make a windproof chik coop 4 them
[08:10] <Dsarith> Good idea
[08:10] <Dsarith> Writing that down too :-)
[08:10] <humvee> they will eat los o bugs n u can eat the effs
[08:10] <humvee> eggsi would rather eat omlets then bugs - ugg
[08:11] <Dsarith> Chyaaa :-)
[08:11] <Dsarith> Do you listen to Coast to Coast AM
[08:11] <Dsarith> The one Nancy was on
[08:12] <humvee> put fishing gear on ur list is low cost n very useful
[08:12] <humvee> yes i taped it
[08:12] <Dsarith> Definitely
[08:13] <humvee> wife n I r getting sort of upbeat re ps looking foreward to the move
[08:13] <Dsarith> George (The guy taken over for Art) does not believe in the Planet X. He says his other guests says that if it was coming it would be able to be seen.
[08:13] <Dsarith> Its good that you have your wifes support
[08:13] <Dsarith> I am all alone :-)
[08:13] <Dsarith> One sec getting coffee
[08:13] <humvee> yes but geoN is fixated on px
[08:14] <humvee> he knows on 1 level
[08:14] <humvee> is so busy he cant let it bother him
[08:14] * tied2 is away: Surrfing USA
[08:14] * tied2 is away: Surrfing USA : Autoaway, idle > 10 minutes. (Xscript 0.7.2)
[08:15] <humvee> he will b havind Nancy on as px pops into view believe me
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[08:15] <humvee> I knew there would be a lag in the viewing - LOL
[08:16] <humvee> Murphy's Law = if something can go wrong it will go WRONG
[08:16] <humvee> pics shud b up by tonite 4  jan 18th fits
[08:17] <humvee> i m waiting 4 the picture of p x with a guy waving back @ us
[08:24] <humvee> good morning tex
[08:25] <Dsarith> I am back :-)
[08:25] <Dsarith> I think Tex is having problems today
[08:25] <Dsarith> :-)
[08:26] <humvee> oh i c
[08:26] <Dsarith> Tex is going to NM
[08:26] <Dsarith> He lives in Abilene which is west from Dallas
[08:26] <Dsarith> I may try to pick him up and convince him to go to Colorado :-)
[08:27] <humvee> much better plan then 2 stay in texas
[08:27] * tex-at-work we could do that
[08:27] <Dsarith> Cool
[08:27] <tex-at-work> humvee... it is damn cold in MN today
[08:28] <humvee> maybe a little community on my lots - wow
[08:28] <tex-at-work> how close to the city are your lots humvee
[08:28] <Dsarith> :-)
[08:28] <humvee> my dad said the high was -15  -  burrrrr
[08:28] <Dsarith> Freaken Cold
[08:29] <humvee> they are about 10 minutes to a small highway store and San Louis is 25 mins drive but pretty small town
[08:29] <tex-at-work> with a wind chill of -35
[08:30] <humvee> ur making me cold
[08:30] <humvee> is down 2 70 here
[08:30] <Dsarith> Big Difference
[08:31] <Dsarith> They are saying that its snowing in N. Florida
[08:31] <humvee> lucky we live in hawaii
[08:31] <tex-at-work> lol.. i figured it was nice there.... I just never ask... cause I don't want to hear it
[08:31] <Dsarith> You dont want to hang out in hawaii for the shift
[08:31] <Dsarith> No doubt
[08:31] <Dsarith> Tex
[08:31] <Dsarith> I dont feel sorry for Hum at all
[08:31] <humvee> ur welcome 2 come but as short as we r on time i hardky surf even
[08:32] <humvee> the thing is no one is preparing and u cant hide here so is a big problem
[08:32] <humvee> then the isolation
[08:33] <humvee> MN will b able to help ppl after get back up n running - that is what i do
[08:35] <Dsarith> There is a guy who is in hawaii
[08:35] <humvee> I was looking @ Nancy's vision it says there will b 3 years crop failure due 2 the overcast
[08:36] <humvee> i m thinking that means food for atleast 3 years is needed
[08:36] <humvee> what do u think?
[08:37] <Dsarith> Or a hydroponic type set up
[08:37] <tex-at-work> food for at least 2 years for sure humvee
[08:37] <Dsarith> But pretty well what she is saying
[08:38] <humvee> i was thinking 1 year - lo
[08:39] <tex-at-work> might be able to suplement with hydroponics in year 3
[08:39] <humvee> i jus cant see how 2 get light 2 grow = power
[08:39] <tex-at-work> i think 1 year would be calling it close... just depends on location light conditions... luck of the draw
[08:40] <Dsarith> Yep
[08:40] <tex-at-work> been looking at low voltage metal halide lights
[08:40] <humvee> if u r close to a running stream then cud use a waterwheel 4 electric
[08:41] <tex-at-work> or wind power
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[08:41] <Dsarith> Hi Omigos
[08:41] <Dsarith> How are you doing today
[08:42] <tex-at-work> dsarith... i got to get ready to lunch... bbl
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[08:42] <Dsarith> Ok Tex
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[08:43] <Dsarith> Having problems tex
[08:43] <humvee> my modem disc wen not on web also
[08:44] <humvee> will plants grow ok with metal halide lights?
[08:44] <Dsarith> Not sure
[08:45] <Ogmios> hi
[08:45] <humvee> hello og
[08:46] <Ogmios> i am fine
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[08:49] <Dsarith> Having problem humvee :-)
[08:50] <hummer> keep getting disconected
[08:50] <tied2> «§» Welcome Back! hummer «§»
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[08:50] <tied2> I always welcome a hummer
[08:50] <reticuli> hello
[08:50] <tied2> «§» Hello reticuli «§»
[08:51] <reticuli> check this system out http://www.bergey.com/Products/VPkg.Hybrid1.htm
[08:51] <hummer> or somebody tied up?
[08:51] <tied2> he he
[08:53] <Dsarith> Hi Ret
[08:55] <reticuli> dsarith, di you check out that wind/solar hybrid system?
[08:56] <hummer> good system and an excelent price
[08:57] <hummer> i m doing a homade version pretty close 2 that
[08:57] <reticuli> i thought those systems were a lot more
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[09:00] <hummer> the parts cost drops wen u limit the power demands
[09:00] <reticuli> would that system be enough power for the average house?
[09:00] <hummer> i m planing 2 run very low demand appliances
[09:01] <hummer> no as average for now is rediculous
[09:01] <reticuli> hmmm, how can you tell
[09:02] <hummer> i will only use few reading lites @ nite + radio/music
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[09:02] <Dsarith> Hiya QV
[09:02] <QueenVee> hello hello
[09:02] <hummer> good morning QueenVee
[09:02] <QueenVee> i've had a very busy morning
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[09:04] <tied2> «§» Hello QueenVee «§»
[09:04] <QueenVee> hey tied
[09:04] <Dsarith> Hummer: I am just going to have a treadmill for power and have the women of the community to keep power going.
[09:05] <Dsarith> Just kidding... :-)
[09:05] <QueenVee> the women of any community ARE the power
[09:05] <tied2> hummer for lighting LED's are the way to go
[09:05] <Dsarith> lol... as they always have been
[09:06] <Dsarith> True Tied
[09:06] <hummer> weomen will be incharge after the ps - so u should suspect that that job will be assigned to you personaly with that attitude - LOL
[09:06] <Dsarith> lol
[09:06] <Dsarith> Yah, I am thinking of having a harem community... a lions pride sounds good to me
[09:07] <hummer> my wife saying if that is the case the batteries will b ded by the time i get out of bed.
[09:07] <Dsarith> lol
[09:07] <reticuli> lol, #poleshiftfantasies
[09:08] <Dsarith> lol
[09:08] <Dsarith> Yep
[09:08] <hummer> #sexintheblankets
[09:08] <reticuli> #poleshiftmisogynist
[09:08] <reticuli> the mens group
[09:09] <reticuli> hehe
[09:09] <Dsarith> One womans emotions are bad enough... Dont think I could take more
[09:10] <hummer> better if al r =
[09:10] <tied2> when I lived in this apartment by myself I left the stove on for two months and never knew it  lmao
[09:10] <Dsarith> lol... I have done that
[09:10] <hummer> wow
[09:10] <reticuli> thats not a guy thing
[09:10] <Dsarith> Not for two months though
[09:10] <reticuli> lol
[09:10] <hummer> im bad w/coffeepot
[09:10] <reticuli> thats........ oh nevermind
[09:10] <tied2> lmao ...
[09:11] <tied2> actually it was the oven
[09:11] <reticuli> well, thats a little more understandable ;)
[09:11] <Dsarith> Yes Oven... Stove is red when it on and black when its off.. Thats how I keep it straight
[09:11] <QueenVee> i've known women just as dense
[09:11] <Ogmios> morning Victoria
[09:11] <hummer> i dehydrated a whole pot o coffee over a week
[09:11] <QueenVee> hi ogmios
[09:11] <Dsarith> Then I realized that when the light that says oven is red that means oven is on
[09:12] <reticuli> lol, the dawn of great relaizations
[09:12] <Dsarith> Yep
[09:12] <tied2> lol
[09:12] <hummer> tractor is here got 2 go bye
[09:12] <tied2> well I hardly ever cooked I always eat out
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[09:13] <Dsarith> I like to cook, but I like for a woman to cook for me better
[09:13] <tied2> lol
[09:14] <Dsarith> I cant even get a raise out of QV
[09:14] <Dsarith> She is numb to men
[09:14] <QueenVee> hehe
[09:14] <QueenVee> hey, i like people to cook for me too
[09:14] <Dsarith> :-)
[09:14] <Dsarith> Yep
[09:15] <QueenVee> My second husband was a gourmet cook.... he always cooked the meals, and i did the cleaning up....
[09:15] <Dsarith> Thats a fair deal
[09:15] <QueenVee> yeah, i thought so
[09:15] <tied2> my second wife was a heel of a cook  my first one couldn't boil water
[09:15] <tied2> hell
[09:16] <QueenVee> My first husband and I -- neither of us cooked, so we tended to eat sandwiches and take-out a lot. I did all the house-cleaning, and he did all the laundry. that was a fair deal too.
[09:16] <Dsarith> I tried to do laundry once, but found it to be way over rated. Decided to find a girlfriend
[09:17] <obaway> back
[09:17] <reticuli> dsarith, trouble is you have to have clean clothes to find a girlfreind
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[09:17] <Dsarith> WB Obany
[09:17] <QueenVee> hi obany
[09:17] <QueenVee> ret: lol, too true
[09:17] <tied2> as a matter of fact on my first date with my second wife we went to a restaurant , I had to go to the rest room when I got back she had paid the check ..... I knew I was going to marry her right then  lmao
[09:17] <QueenVee> can you spell L-O-S-E-R ?
[09:18] <reticuli> lol
[09:18] <Dsarith> Oh I had clean close, shades of pink and blue, but clean
[09:18] <tied2> lol
[09:18] <reticuli> lol
[09:18] <QueenVee> tied2: clever girl
[09:18] <Dsarith> I finally got the idea of putting dark separate from whites. Then I got a girlfriend who had 6 different stacks... I was like whatever.
[09:19] <reticuli> yeah, prolly was in the restroom for 30 minutes
[09:19] <Dsarith> That is so smart Ret
[09:19] <Dsarith> I respect any girl who wants to pay my way... lol
[09:20] <tied2> I was in shock
[09:20] <Dsarith> I dont mind being a kept man :-)
[09:20] <Dsarith> As long as I can drive a mercedes
[09:20] <reticuli> dsarith, you may find men that will take you up on that
[09:20] <reticuli> ;)
[09:20] <Dsarith> lol
[09:21] <Dsarith> In Dallas, you know it
[09:21] <tied2> I was in Dallas once
[09:21] <tied2> vacation
[09:21] <tied2> I had a blast
[09:21] <Dsarith> What is there to see here
[09:21] <Dsarith> I havent seen it
[09:21] <Dsarith> :-)
[09:21] <tied2> cow girls  yeeehaawww
[09:22] <Dsarith> Yes that is true. Nothing like Texas women
[09:22] <tied2> I was like 23
[09:24] <Dsarith> I have been here for 24 years since 12, wouldnt trade it
[09:24] <reticuli> where r u again?
[09:24] <Dsarith> Dallas TX
[09:25] <Dsarith> Just outside in Plano
[09:25] <Dsarith> Part of Dallas
[09:26] <reticuli> oh ok, when you said you hadnt seen it I took it quite literally... i have the sense of humor of a lizard
[09:26] <Dsarith> lol
[09:26] <Dsarith> You never understand why people vacation in a town you live in
[09:26] <reticuli> i can be quite funny... but I take people very seriously
[09:27] <reticuli> too seriously
[09:27] <Dsarith> I would much rather go somewhere like Canada
[09:27] <Dsarith> Or England
[09:27] <reticuli> oh I know, its like WJy in the hell would you copme here? spend money!!!
[09:27] <Dsarith> Yep
[09:27] <tied2> I been to Canada a few time
[09:27] <Dsarith> I have been once for training
[09:27] <Dsarith> Love Canada
[09:27] <reticuli> me2
[09:28] <tied2> I was way up in the north east
[09:28] <QueenVee> where in canada?
[09:28] <reticuli> now, I will tell you that the sexiest women in the world are in vancouver bc
[09:28] <Dsarith> I was in Quebec
[09:28] <Dsarith> Really
[09:28] <tied2> about 5 hours past Toronto
[09:28] <Dsarith> I will have to visit
[09:28] <reticuli> lol
[09:29] <tied2> it's very pretty up there
[09:29] <QueenVee> Quebec is a country unto itself
[09:29] <Dsarith> Is that a good thing or a bad thing
[09:29] <QueenVee> well, i don't mean it in a bad way; it's just a fact
[09:30] <Dsarith> Its Canada yes
[09:30] <QueenVee> in canada we call it "a distinct society"....
[09:30] <Dsarith> Oh
[09:30] <tied2> these people I visited were very nice
[09:31] <Dsarith> I have to go to Romania for a wedding (Man's Funeral) in May, but the PX may save me from it :-)
[09:32] <reticuli> mail order bride?
[09:32] <tied2> lol
[09:32] <Dsarith> lol
[09:33] <Dsarith> Not mine
[09:33] <Dsarith> Friend of mine
[09:33] <reticuli> hey, theres nothing wrong with that
[09:33] <reticuli> marriage is an economic unit... and the furst law of capitalism is comparative advantage
[09:33] <reticuli> ;)
[09:34] <QueenVee> i'm amazed at the ability of animals to adapt; my dog henry almost killed our cat Angel when he first arrived, and we weren't sure they could ever be in the same room together. today the two of them are sleeping together on the couch.....
[09:35] <Dsarith> Animals are much better than humans are at adapting
[09:35] <Dsarith> We could learn a lot from them
[09:35] <QueenVee> yep
[09:35] <reticuli> i'll pass on the butt sniffing
[09:37] <Dsarith> Basically your cat has informed your puppy that he was in charge and as long as the puppy understand it they can get along. Pretty much like relationship... women inform the man they are in charge and when that is understood life is better
[09:37] <QueenVee> Henry simply needed to learn that the cat was part of our pack, and that she is on a higher ring than him in the pack. he respects her now, and she generously allows him to live with us....
[09:37] <reticuli> dsarith... hmmmm doesnt sound like my marriage
[09:37] <QueenVee> Dsarith: are you married, or in a relationship?
[09:38] <Dsarith> Ret you are blind to it. She has manipulated you to believe that you are in charge
[09:38] <Dsarith> Divorced have a girlfriend
[09:38] <reticuli> ok, I thought you were saying the converse.... but there is no such pretense in my marriage
[09:38] <QueenVee> how long have you had this girlfriend?
[09:39] <Dsarith> 4 years :-)
[09:39] <Dsarith> I actually believe in relationships
[09:39] <Dsarith> Most of what I say that is anti relationship is BS
[09:39] <Dsarith> Its just fun to say it... lol
[09:40] <QueenVee> well...
[09:40] <Dsarith> Yah that is what she is saying...
[09:40] <Dsarith> Well...
[09:40] <QueenVee> death toll in mexico is up to 28 now
[09:40] <Dsarith> Bummer
[09:41] <Dsarith> I noticed QV that you dont react to piggish statements like a lot of women.
[09:41] <Dsarith> You are even kealed
[09:42] <QueenVee> lol
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[09:42] <QueenVee> well, here's the thing:
[09:42] <reticuli> two m class flares this week http://www.maj.com/sun/noaa.html
[09:43] <QueenVee> you don't react to something you think is nonsense -- only to that you  believe has an element of truth....
[09:44] <Dsarith> True QV
[09:44] <Dsarith> I have learned to never take life too seriously
[09:44] <Dsarith> I think you miss out so much when you do
[09:44] <QueenVee> i've rid myself of a lot of personal demons; self-acceptance is the key to happiness
[09:45] <QueenVee> when you accept yourself with all your flaws.... it doesn't affect you when others point them out....
[09:45] <Dsarith> Exactly QV... and I can say that it because I am almost a licensed Therapist...lol
[09:46] <Dsarith> The ability for one to laugh at oneself is absolutely one of the key ingredients to happiness
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[09:47] <QueenVee> when you are no longer personally invested in how others perceive you, it can be quite fun to watch people try and bait you and work themselves into a frustrated frenzy when they cannot....
[09:47] <QueenVee> hello Gambit
[09:47] <Gam-bit> hullo, I'm not here to cause any trouble. :-]
[09:47] <Dsarith> All people have flaws, except me, and we define others by our own perceptions
[09:48] <QueenVee> ya better not be
[09:48] <QueenVee> so why are you here then?
[09:48] <reticuli> who said you were?
[09:48] <Gam-bit> Do you know anyone prepairing in New Zealand?
[09:48] <QueenVee> yes
[09:48] <Dsarith> Thats just vicious QV... lol
[09:49] <QueenVee> Dsarith: how do you think i have earned the undying hatred of so many around here?
[09:49] <Dsarith> lol
[09:50] <Dsarith> The important thing is that you are happy
[09:50] <QueenVee> when someone tells me how much they hate me, i say, oh, good, i'm so relieved; i'd be a horrible person if someone like you liked me
[09:50] <Dsarith> lol
[09:50] <QueenVee> Gambit: sorry, we've just been kidding around here this morning....
[09:50] <Gam-bit> np
[09:50] <QueenVee> Gambit: so you're in New Zealand, looking to hook up with other New Zealanders?
[09:51] <Dsarith> I have a years left on my Masters and if there are more people like you QV, I wont have any work when I am done
[09:51] <Gam-bit> Nope, I have a friend in NZ and just trying to get a feel for if there was any ppl there prepairing.
[09:51] <QueenVee> hold on, and i'll tell you how many members in NZ we have....
[09:52] <Gam-bit> QV: ...and what they thought a safe place in NZ would be.
[09:53] <Gam-bit> QV: I know what ZT says, but it doesn't go into too much detail about ZT. I know a few citys there are more active than other as far as Earthquakes go.
[09:54] <Gam-bit> opps.. second ZT = NZ
[09:55] <QueenVee> mmm, we've got a couple of regulars who are in New Zealand
[09:55] <Dsarith> Do you know where they are headed
[09:56] <QueenVee> well, they wouldn't know more than what ZT tells them....
[09:56] <reticuli> they might
[09:56] <reticuli> :)
[09:57] <QueenVee> Well, if you want to talk to the, Gambit, there are a couple of ways....
[09:57] <QueenVee> the=them
[09:57] <QueenVee> They go by the names Pete and Richard, and you can hang out in here and watch out for them... or....
[09:57] <Gam-bit> Gotcha... cool thanks..
[09:58] <Gam-bit> BBL
[09:58] <QueenVee> you can utlize the NETWORK WITH OTHERS feature of the Shift2003 website: www.shift2003.com
[09:58] <QueenVee> put up a profile asking to talk to other poleshifters in New Zealand
[09:58] <Dsarith> Is NZ save?
[09:59] <Dsarith> safe
[09:59] <Gam-bit> ok. I might try that too.
[09:59] <Gam-bit> Parts are.
[09:59] <Dsarith> Cool
[09:59] <Dsarith> It sucks when nothing is
[09:59] <QueenVee> yeah, like your only choice is to leave the country
[09:59] <Gam-bit> Inland.. where the mountians are will be safer.
[09:59] <Dsarith> Yep
[09:59] * tied2 is back (gone 00:16:51)
[09:59] <Dsarith> WB Tied
[09:59] <tied2> QV heres the pic's of Ohio UFOs  http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page24.html
[10:00] <tied2> thanks
[10:00] <Gam-bit> be back later.
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[10:00] <QueenVee> tied, yes, you showed me those yesterday.... interesting....
[10:00] <QueenVee> close to whereyou are, i understand
[10:01] <tied2> I did?
[10:01] <tied2> oh well
[10:01] <Dsarith> Its ok Tied you have slept since then :-)
[10:01] <QueenVee> hehe
[10:02] <QueenVee> that's one reason i created my website.... i couldn't keep track anymore of who i told what....
[10:03] <Dsarith> And I use a pencil and paper :-)
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[10:15] <Dsarith> Hi Karmie
[10:15] <karmie> good morning, queen and everyone
[10:16] <QueenVee> hi karmie
[10:16] <karmie> :)
[10:17] <QueenVee> appparently it's going to warm up here this weekend....
[10:17] <QueenVee> which is good....
[10:17] <karmie> how warm is warm?
[10:17] <reticuli> lol, it will prolly get up to 40f
[10:17] <QueenVee> so my outings with the dog will be more like pleasant excursions than arctic expeditions
[10:17] <reticuli> lol
[10:18] <QueenVee> well, it's been about zero farenheit here, and it's going to get up around 10
[10:18] <QueenVee> you know, the kind of weather where your face doesn't get frostbitten
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[10:18] <reticuli> hehe
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[10:19] <karmie> heat wave - lolol - don't know if I could stand that - might have to, though
[10:19] <QueenVee> this is all highly unusual, we've had such mild winters for so many years now
[10:19] <tied2> it's 10F here right now
[10:20] <tied2> do those away messages get on anyones nerves?
[10:20] <QueenVee> my crazy dog doesn't even feel it; this morning he had icicles hanging from his mouth and nose and still wanted to keep chasing rabbits in the woods....
[10:20] <QueenVee> tied2: yes, i'm close to a breakdown over them
[10:20] <QueenVee> j/k
[10:20] <reticuli> seattle today sunny and 50 °F / 10 °C
[10:21] <tied2> lol
[10:21] <QueenVee> wow, that's warm ret -- usual for this time of year?
[10:21] <reticuli> its a little warm, maybe 5 degrees above normal... we are having an el nino
[10:22] <karmie> We are 55.8 F - usually a little colder this time of year
[10:22] * Ralf is away: work (l/p!on)[ralf@funnet.org] : os-2/bx
[10:22] <QueenVee> this morning, i left my dog in the woods to do his thing and walked back to a nearby apartment building to get warm...
[10:23] <QueenVee> then went back for him, of course
[10:24] <reticuli> wow, actually its 9F higher than the average
[10:24] <reticuli> record high was only 55f
[10:25] <QueenVee> for the life of me i can't understand why McCanney and Hazelwood want to make this PX thing some kind of a COMPETITION....
[10:25] <reticuli> its a guy thing
[10:25] <QueenVee> they spend more time bashing nancy and zetatalk than getting the word out
[10:25] <reticuli> ;)
[10:25] <QueenVee> yeah, a dick thing, i guess -- my PlanetX is bigger than yours....
[10:25] <karmie> maybe it's for the fame and fortune - people will do/say anything for $$$$ and power
[10:25] <reticuli> lol queen
[10:26] <obany> sigh sigh ... Mark H wrote another text posted to the rumormillnews forum and now also on sci.astro
[10:26] <QueenVee> what a little troll he is
[10:27] <obany> reticuli: Nancy Lieder fraud=NASA px patsy by M. Hazelwood
[10:27] <obany> The disinfo crew wants me to clarify my position by saying that what
[10:27] <obany> I've said previously is confusing, not worth commenting on, or a rant
[10:27] <obany> of some sort. So lets make things very clear.
[10:27] <obany> James McCanney has found that the images that purportedly are showing
[10:27] <obany> PX and supposively from an amatuer astronomer named Steve Havas using
[10:27] <obany> Nancy (zetatalk) coordinates are in fact coming from NASA themselves.
[10:27] <obany> In looking over the bogus pictures he noticed the second time some of
[10:27] <obany> the images were brought up, the server codes changed to NASA server
[10:27] <obany> codes which he is very familiar with. These codes were inbeded behind
[10:27] <obany> the new server codes put there by Nancy, and were supposed to be
[10:27] <obany> hidden, but still somehow remained attached.
[10:27] <obany> After looking over all the disinformation on Nancy's zt site about
[10:27] <obany> myself for many months and making no comment, I felt a need to
[10:27] <obany> address why Nancy is saying and doing all she is given the new light
[10:27] <obany> of who she really is, a NASA/disinfo creation.
[10:27] <obany> She is the fall guy for Planet X, set up by the ptb to discredit and
[10:27] <obany> make silly the entire situation. This is the reason behind her
[10:27] <obany> attacks on people like myself and James. It is the reason why I've
[10:27] <obany> heard that she has been rude to people hundreds of times over.
[10:27] <obany> A rude elderly lady, that talks to aliens, and attacks anyone else
[10:27] <obany> being helpful that's coming up with independent Planet X info, is
[10:27] <obany> exactly what NASA wants out there representing this thing they most
[10:27] <obany> want covered up, the incoming Planet X
[10:27] <obany> Mark H
[10:27] <obany> David Cantu posted this from the zetaastro forum   
[10:28] <QueenVee> good god
[10:28] <QueenVee> he's like a two-year old
[10:29] <QueenVee> get a life, Mark
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[10:32] <obany> And i guess that that Cap Nib guy is into this story
[10:32] <Douch3> hi
[10:32] <obany> hi
[10:32] <QueenVee> i just don't get the over-the-top hostility and emotionalism; okay, present a different theory, get it out there; but why do they have to bash nancy to do that?
[10:32] <reticuli> anyone who goes by captain nibiru needs to see a psychiatrist... I have this image of a fat middle aged man with a childres variety show. The guy wears astronaut aoutfits
[10:33] <QueenVee> obany: yeah, i've banned him from my channel; i said, if you believe this nonsense about nancy, why are you still coming here for her chats?
[10:33] <reticuli> "here he is kids! CAPTAIN NIBIIIIRRRRUUUUUU
[10:33] <yggdraidl> http://hugin.sigusr1.org/~pakin/complaint
[10:33] <QueenVee> hi Douch
[10:33] <Douch3> hi queen
[10:34] <obany> Yes, i noticed that you banned him during the sesion cause he was complaining about the pictures and that mcanney said they are false etc
[10:35] <QueenVee> ygg: lol, that's hilarious
[10:35] <yggdraidl> :-)
[10:35] <reticuli> hehe
[10:35] <karmie> does anyone know how Nancy deals with this criticism - does it really bother her or does it just roll off - consider the source, etc?
[10:36] <QueenVee> ygg: i put my own name in and got this:
[10:36] <QueenVee> Collectivism doesn't work. So why does Ms. Vee cling to it? The answer is quite simple. I already listed several possibilities, but because Ms. Vee lacks the ability to remember beyond the last two seconds of her life, I will restate what I said before, for her sake: We can't stop her overnight. It takes time, patience and experience to put an end to her evildoing.
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[10:36] <QueenVee> To recap the main points made in this letter: 1) Ms. Queen Vee has refused to make a public apology for her semi-intelligible jokes, 2) she should do some research next time before printing half-truths and misinformation, and 3) she justifies her horny nature by denying that she ducks the issue of hedonism by using words and phrases so vague and subject to interpretation that they have no true meaning at all.
[10:36] <QueenVee> lol
[10:37] <tied2>  let me get this straight?? there saying Nancy's version is dissinfo and there version is correct?
[10:37] <QueenVee> karmie: i'm sure it rolls off most of the time -- though she can sometimes get nasty back
[10:37] <QueenVee> tied2: YEP
[10:37] <karmie> :)
[10:38] <reticuli> http://www.weeksgroup.com/aboutyou/calculators/mission.cfm
[10:38] <reticuli> this one is better
[10:38] <reticuli> http://www.harding.motd.ca/cgi-bin/msgen
[10:39] <tied2> and you can buy there version and Nancy's is free?
[10:40] <obany> yes tied2 and you cam mow by a baseballcap too promoting www.planetx2003.com  
[10:40] <obany> sigh
[10:40] <obany> and t-shirts
[10:40] <obany> and posters
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[10:41] <QueenVee> tied: well, i guess you get what you pay for
[10:41] <QueenVee> hiya tex
[10:41] * tex-at-work hi all
[10:41] <tied2> oh man I got to have me one of those hats
[10:42] <obany> http://www.planetx2003.com/html/store.html sigh
[10:42] <reticuli> this one is great
[10:43] <reticuli> http://toy.thespark.com/burn/earl.cgi
[10:43] <QueenVee> what can you do? people will be stupid, and other stupid people will listen to them
[10:43] <reticuli> The disinfo crew wants me to clarify my position by saying that what
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[10:44] <reticuli> hmm, what happened
[10:44] <karmie> I wonder if they are already selling Planet x caps and tshirts on Ebay?
[10:44] <obany> Hazlewood is in it for the money
[10:45] <obany> okay laters
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[10:46] <tied2> aww i see the tactic ..buy marketing Px  they bring doubt on all of it.
[10:46] <QueenVee> hazelwood's probably got his eye on the future; doesn't really believe in PX and figures these items will be collectibles at some point in the future -- souveniers of that crazy PX theory thing in 2003....
[10:47] <QueenVee> like pet rocks and mood rings
[10:48] <tied2> I don't see any bumper stickers?
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[10:48] <johnnie5> hi all
[10:48] <Dsarith> I like that Planet X rings. It grows redder as time approaches
[10:48] <tex-at-work> hi johnnie5
[10:49] <tied2> oh yeah there they ARE
[10:49] <karmie> nothing listed yet on Ebay - did a quick search - usually a good indicator of what people are buying
[10:49] <Dsarith> Hi J5
[10:49] <johnnie5> anyone been having computer probs? someone hacked into mine recently.
[10:49] <obaway> Hazelton is the type of person we have been
[10:49] <obaway> warning about, during our various self-help
[10:49] <obaway> suggestions, who will front as someone
[10:49] <obaway> concerned about your welfare, while stripping
[10:49] <obaway> you of self-help options and taking your resources. http://www.zetatalk.com/index/hazelwod.htm
[10:51] <tied2> so your saying I shouldn't buy me a hat ? lol
[10:51] <obaway> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/plagaris.htm
[10:51] <obaway> tied2: no but he tried other things
[10:51] <obaway> http://www.zetatalk.com/index/hazelwo2.htm
[10:52] <tied2> sometimes people do the right things for the wrong reasons
[10:52] <johnnie5> never mind. i gotta go to work. see you guys later.
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[10:52] <obaway> if you buy a hat that promotos his site in a manner you are also promoting his book
[10:52] <tied2> yeah it's probably him
[10:52] <obaway> he just wants to sell more books
[10:52] <obaway> okay shower now laters .. and then to my sis
[10:53] <tied2> someone from another IRC room I had never heard of has been trying to get in my network
[10:54] <karmie> tied - a spy?
[10:55] <tied2> I cruised a few channels there looking for a familiar nick but no luck
[10:55] <QueenVee> a spy? spying for what?
[10:55] <tied2> I think just a hobbyist
[10:56] <QueenVee> lol
[10:56] <tied2> the only nick I saw that looked familiar .......... and it was Ob  lol
[10:56] <karmie> govt. - hazelwood - nasa- anti-zetas!.....don't know - could be anything
[10:57] <QueenVee> brb, gotta get more coffee
[10:59] <karmie> Question:  Are there any other credible sites that give out PlanetX information besides the ones associated with Nancy and her views?
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[11:00] <Danvaldan> hi all
[11:00] <tex-at-work> hi Dan
[11:00] <Dsarith> Hiya Dan... Want to buy a planetx mood ring :-)
[11:00] <Danvaldan> yeah - always black
[11:01] <Dsarith> lol
[11:01] <Danvaldan> uhh - no thhnx
[11:01] <Danvaldan> this is interesting - 7.8 Solomans on the 20th?
[11:01] <Danvaldan> http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,5865463%255E401,00.html
[11:01] <Danvaldan> I was looking for more info on the Sumatra 8.0...
[11:02] <QueenVee> hi dan
[11:03] <Danvaldan> hi QV
[11:03] <QueenVee> you just heard about the solomons quake?
[11:03] <Danvaldan> how ar thou?
[11:03] <Danvaldan> art
[11:03] <QueenVee> i'm good
[11:03] <QueenVee> thanks
[11:03] <Danvaldan> man its cold here...
[11:03] <QueenVee> here too
[11:03] <QueenVee> where are you?
[11:03] <Danvaldan> I thought my ears would fall off this morn
[11:03] <Danvaldan> Richmond VA
[11:03] <QueenVee> what's the temp?
[11:04] <Danvaldan> this morn is was teens with lower windchill..
[11:04] <Danvaldan> (thats cold for here)
[11:04] <QueenVee> lol, it's zero farenheit here
[11:04] <Danvaldan> !
[11:05] <Danvaldan> I'm so wimpy -
[11:05] <Danvaldan> hahhaha
[11:05] <QueenVee> my head and ears were well wrapped, but i thought my face would fall off
[11:05] <Danvaldan> haha - smart me for got to wear a hat...
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[11:11] <Danvaldan> heres a Q: will the navy ships be able to weather the shift -
[11:11] <QueenVee> no
[11:12] <QueenVee> depending where they are, of course
[11:12] <Danvaldan> right - but on a ship the entire militart is mobile -
[11:12] <reticuli> subs should be fine
[11:12] <QueenVee> if out on the ocean or even in port on a coastal area -- not a chance
[11:12] <Dsarith> Be back in a bit
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[11:12] <QueenVee> ret: no, the sub could end up on a mountain top somewhere
[11:13] <reticuli> yeah, I suppose if its in a coastal area
[11:13] <Danvaldan> so put your whole military in the middle of the ocean(coming back from middle east) - and you are good to go for the aftertime
[11:13] <QueenVee> MAYBE if it's out in the middle of the ocean
[11:13] <QueenVee> dan: no
[11:14] <QueenVee> a military ship MIGHT survive if it were docked far inland
[11:14] <QueenVee> NOT if in the middle of the ocean
[11:14] <Danvaldan> oh - ok -
[11:14] <QueenVee> i see you're still trying to come up with ways to avoid the shift....
[11:14] <Danvaldan> well I will file that under 'half baked'
[11:15] <Danvaldan> thats not avoiding the shift - thats military saving it own @$$
[11:15] <Danvaldan> which seems to make sense
[11:16] <QueenVee> well, as zt has pointed out, the US govt is completely deluded
[11:16] <QueenVee> they think they're going to survive in underground bunkers
[11:16] <Danvaldan> but YES I would love to devise a way to get us ALL through this
[11:17] <Danvaldan> seems like they would all be digging holes not sailing to IraQ
[11:17] <QueenVee> the guys at the top ain't gonna be anywhere near iraq
[11:18] <Danvaldan> heh - they will be in what used to be a cave -
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[11:18] <QueenVee> hey WC
[11:18] <reticuli> hi west
[11:18] <Danvaldan> hi West
[11:18] <West_coast> hello everyone
[11:19] <West_coast> what's shakin'
[11:19] <Douch3> hi
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[11:19] <Danvaldan> I am throwing half baked militarty theories
[11:20] <West_coast> ?
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[11:20] <QueenVee> but they're not getting very far
[11:20] <West_coast> :)
[11:20] <Danvaldan> heh
[11:20] <Danvaldan> gotta keep an active mind and whatnot
[11:20] <QueenVee> Dan keeps trying to come up with a way that the shift could be avoided
[11:20] <West_coast> sure, leave the planet
[11:21] <reticuli> thats ambitious
[11:21] <QueenVee> mmm, Dan's ideas are more amphibious
[11:21] <Danvaldan> hey - somones gotta try all the options -
[11:21] <Danvaldan> hahah
[11:21] <reticuli> i read a year ago that paul allen was having a submarine built
[11:21] <Danvaldan> just yesterday I was a tadpole ...
[11:21] <West_coast> oh, scuba?
[11:21] <QueenVee> who is paul allen?
[11:22] <reticuli> one of the co-founders of microsoft and one of the wealthiest man in the world
[11:22] <QueenVee> mmm, did he say WHY he was building a submarine?
[11:23] <Douch3> he probably read about noahs flood :)
[11:23] <Douch3> and got a little paranoid
[11:23] <reticuli> http://www.forbes.com/2000/10/31/1031allen.html
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[11:23] <Danvaldan> Noah was given his plans -
[11:24] <QueenVee> "A scuba diving aficionado, he is believed to have ordered a ten-passenger submarine from Olympic Submarine Technologies near Seattle...."
[11:25] <West_coast> another toy, I think
[11:25] <QueenVee> just sounds like another toy
[11:25] <QueenVee> lol
[11:25] <reticuli> it is a toy
[11:25] <reticuli> lol
[11:25] <Danvaldan> 'a multimillion dollar donation to find alien'
[11:25] <QueenVee> eh?
[11:25] <Danvaldan> thats in there
[11:26] <reticuli> if he ius throwing money at seti he must be totally in the dark
[11:26] <West_coast> QV: has it warmed up any back there?
[11:27] <Danvaldan> speaking of SETI - have you seen this one on SOHO?
[11:27] <Danvaldan> http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/page.cfm?objectid=12538472&method=full&siteid=50082
[11:27] <reticuli> seti= welfare for astronomers
[11:27] <karmie> gotta go to the market - bbl - thanks
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[11:28] <reticuli> did u guys listen to that renegade priest on coast earlier this month
[11:28] <West_coast> reticuli: what is the difference between SETI and CSETI?
[11:28] <QueenVee> ret: who?
[11:28] <QueenVee> father malachi?
[11:28] <reticuli> nope, hold on
[11:29] <reticuli> http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2003/01/08.html
[11:29] <reticuli> Father Andrew C. Wingate
[11:30] <reticuli> cseti is steven grrers organization, they go out into the field and intiate contact telepathically with ufos
[11:30] <reticuli> steven greer
[11:31] <reticuli> http://www.cseti.org/.... from what I hear... greer employs contactees to go on these expedeitions
[11:31] <QueenVee> mmm, i'd say the guy's religious beliefs colour his "visions" too much
[11:32] <reticuli> queen, you might want to listen, he does talk about nibiru
[11:32] <reticuli> ok, gotta go get lunch
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[11:33] <Danvaldan> later folks -
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[11:34] <Dsarith> I am back
[11:34] <West_coast> hi Dsarith
[11:34] <Dsarith> Well Hiya WC
[11:36] <West_coast> Dsarith: how is everthing in PA?
[11:36] <Dsarith> Not PA TX :-)
[11:36] <Dsarith> Its good
[11:36] <Dsarith> A little cold, but normal for this time of year
[11:36] <Dsarith> At least today anyways
[11:37] <West_coast> what part of Texas?
[11:37] <Dsarith> Dallas
[11:38] <West_coast> I may have told you..my folks spend the winters in Marshall
[11:38] <Dsarith> Yip... beautiful place... I love east texas
[11:39] <obaway> http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a47.htm
[11:39] <obaway> okay laters
[11:43] <QueenVee> bye obany
[11:43] <West_coast> thanks obany, I missed that one
[11:46] <West_coast> QV: How goes your plans for PS?
[11:46] <QueenVee> WC: on track so far
[11:46] <West_coast> Still thinking of a back hoe to dig a hole?
[11:47] <QueenVee> yeah, probably going to go that way
[11:47] <QueenVee> why?
[11:47] <West_coast> what about a cat with a blade..make a trench with a ramp into it
[11:48] <QueenVee> i have no idea what you're talking about
[11:49] <West_coast> ok, a earth moving machine with a blade can push dirt and make a trench
[11:49] <West_coast> in the process, it will make a ramp down into the trench
[11:49] <Dsarith> Or a very big Cat who can dig one out like a litter box :-)
[11:49] <West_coast> :)
[11:49] <Dsarith> Thats exactly what I am thinking WC
[11:49] <Dsarith> Trench House
[11:49] <West_coast> then drive a van into the trench
[11:49] <QueenVee> sounds good
[11:50] <West_coast> back-fill with sand (dirt) bags
[11:50] <West_coast> around the windows
[11:50] <West_coast> then you have a pile of dirt to fill bags with
[11:51] <QueenVee> bottom line: we will use the resources available to us at the time; my cousin knows alot of good 'ol boys in her area that would dearly love to get into her pants, who could probably be called upon to do her a favour (as they have in the past).....
[11:51] <West_coast> :)
[11:51] <West_coast> I guess that assumes she is willing
[11:51] <QueenVee> no, ya see, they have to do the work first....
[11:52] <West_coast> gotcha
[11:52] <QueenVee> she recently had her bathroom completely remodelled by a plumber-suitor..... and she never did have to put out....
[11:52] <West_coast> lol
[11:53] <West_coast> so I guess I will quit worrying about your situation
[11:53] <QueenVee> lol
[11:53] <QueenVee> yes, if you think i'm a force to be reckoned with -- you should meet my cousin....
[11:53] <West_coast> I thought you were a pussycat
[11:54] <QueenVee> purrrrrrrrrrrrr
[11:54] <West_coast> :)
[11:55] <West_coast> I need to make a trip to the mountain retreat, waiting for the storms to pass
[11:55] <QueenVee> ?
[11:55] <West_coast> my safe spot is up in the high country
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[11:56] <Shaman464> hi all!
[11:56] <West_coast> hi shaman
[11:56] <QueenVee> hi shaman
[11:56] <QueenVee> ha, i see that rumsfeld has been playing diplomat again....
[11:56] <Shaman464> Hi West Coast Hi Queen
[11:57] <West_coast> open mouth, insert foot
[11:57] <QueenVee> he has france and germany "profoundly vexed"....
[11:58] <West_coast> not doing his "cause" any good, I think..so much the better
[11:58] <QueenVee> rumsfeld strikes me as a complete psychopath
[11:58] <QueenVee> something very unsettling about that man
[11:58] <Shaman464> thats how i fell about the whole bush adminsteration
[11:59] <West_coast> I would render an opinion, but then you never know who is listening
[11:59] <QueenVee> hehe
[11:59] <Shaman464> i dislike bush alot
[12:00] <West_coast> ther are people in jail down here for saying things in jest, taken seriously
[12:00] <QueenVee> oh yes, i know
[12:00] <Shaman464> this war is a bad idea and will cost peoples lives that shouldnt be
[12:00] <QueenVee> i'd be scared shitless if i were you
[12:01] <West_coast> well, I wouldn't go that far, but one needs to be a little cautious
[12:01] <QueenVee> OH MY GOD
[12:01] <Dsarith> QV: Canada will pulled into the war too
[12:01] <QueenVee> LOOK AT THIS:
[12:01] <QueenVee> A United States marketing consultant who described Aids as the "gay plague" has been appointed to serve on Presidential George W Bush's advisory commission on HIV and Aids.
[12:01] <QueenVee> Jerry Thacker says homosexuality is a "deathstyle" and Christ can "rescue" homosexuals".
[12:02] <Dsarith> I heard that this morning
[12:02] <QueenVee> insanity
[12:02] <West_coast> well, just one of the crowd
[12:02] <Shaman464> Gore would be a alot better president
[12:03] <QueenVee> Mr Thacker's beliefs on homosexuality are known as "reparative therapy" - a philosophy that considers homosexuality aberrant behaviour that can be modified through religious faith.
[12:03] <Dsarith> Gore would suck! I would be a better president
[12:03] <West_coast> I was going to say that
[12:03] <QueenVee> anyone would be a better president than the current one, up to and including Al Sharpton
[12:03] <Dsarith> lol
[12:04] <Shaman464> Bush isnt doing a good job hes getting us into a war that has no need
[12:04] <Shaman464> i mean N. Korea is doing the same damn thing and we are turning a blind eye to it!
[12:05] <Dsarith> Thats because China is too close to N Korea
[12:05] <QueenVee> the post-poleshift world looks downright appealing next to this one
[12:05] <Shaman464> yea
[12:05] <Dsarith> Well said QV
[12:05] <QueenVee> and because there's no oil in N Korea
[12:05] <Shaman464> yea thats what this war is over
[12:05] <West_coast> exactly
[12:05] <Dsarith> I am still not convinced its about oil, not sure though
[12:06] <West_coast> Dsarith: so what do you think their motives are?
[12:06] <Dsarith> We didnt take Kuwaits oil so why take Iraqs oil
[12:06] <Dsarith> Maybe Vengence from Father... I dont really know
[12:06] <QueenVee> uh, cause iraq wouldnt have let you....
[12:06] <Shaman464> yea
[12:07] <Dsarith> US was all over Kuwait... Iraq was long gone
[12:07] <Shaman464> we get the oil form Kuwait for next to nothing
[12:07] <Dsarith> Could have taken oil
[12:07] <QueenVee> there was no pretext
[12:07] <Dsarith> True Shaman
[12:07] <West_coast> world oil reserves are on the decline..big oil concerns are worried
[12:07] <Dsarith> True too QV... That is why I am not sure :-)
[12:07] <QueenVee> the US at that point was still worried about its image
[12:08] <Dsarith> Its big money issue no doubt ... Elite propaganda
[12:08] <QueenVee> not so worried now.... will use the slightest pretext to carry out its aims
[12:08] <Shaman464> we have no "smoking gun" we dont know i raq has anything and we still want to blow them to pieces
[12:08] <Shaman464> iraq*
[12:08] <Dsarith> I know and that is why bush is looking so bad
[12:08] <West_coast> shaman: I don't think we want to blow them to pieces
[12:08] <Dsarith> Bush is pushing through even without proof
[12:09] <QueenVee> i mean, canada has lots of valuable oil, you might as well say, well, why hasn't the US invaded Canada for its oil?
[12:09] <Dsarith> Makes him look stupid
[12:09] <Shaman464> ok blow them to piece expect where the oil is
[12:09] <Dsarith> Canada is NATO, cant invade
[12:09] <Dsarith> :-)
[12:09] <QueenVee> don't be silly, they would not have been "allowed" to invade Kuwait either
[12:09] <Dsarith> Besides they protect US northern border
[12:10] <Shaman464> what border?
[12:10] <Dsarith> Kuwait asked for help to kick back Iraq
[12:10] <QueenVee> exactly -- the us could hardly then turn around and invade them and take the oil
[12:10] <Dsarith> You dont want an enemy on your Northern Border
[12:10] <Dsarith> True QV
[12:10] <Shaman464> theres hunderds of miles of unchecked border between us and canada
[12:10] <Dsarith> True
[12:11] <Dsarith> But Canada is a friend rather than a foe
[12:11] <Shaman464> at one ponit i could row a boat to canada
[12:11] <West_coast> Kuwait was "slant drilling" into Iraq
[12:11] <Dsarith> IF someone attacked Canada then US would be there to support Canada
[12:11] <QueenVee> Plans to gain control of Middle East oil have been in the works for years, just waiting for the right opportunity. the bush admin saw an opportunity after 9/11...
[12:11] <Dsarith> Not sure on that WC
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[12:11] <Shaman464> they saw it before!
[12:12] <Dsarith> Could be QV: It all just makes me sick
[12:12] <QueenVee> yeah, and Kuwait was a friend too
[12:12] <Shaman464> they knew it was coming
[12:12] <Dsarith> However, I am not necessarily against war... War is a necessary evil
[12:12] <QueenVee> how enlightened of you
[12:12] <Dsarith> lol
[12:12] <Shaman464> not in this case
[12:12] <QueenVee> not in an STO world
[12:13] <QueenVee> which, thank god, we will have soon
[12:13] <Dsarith> True, but we do not live in a STO world
[12:13] <QueenVee> i'd happily go to war to stop Bush
[12:13] <Shaman464> this war is just bushs way of getting more oil and then re-elceted
[12:13] <West_coast> considering all the multi-national business connections of this government, it is hard not to believe oil is involved
[12:13] <QueenVee> he's the "evildoer" as far as i'm concerned
[12:14] <Shaman464> i have friends in the army that are in Kuwait and may die
[12:14] <Dsarith> Canada may go to war, but it will be on US side
[12:15] <Dsarith> Just like the rest of NATO
[12:15] <Shaman464> they cant see a military reason for this war and one of my friends is a Cpt.
[12:15] <Shaman464> so is Germany but they're not!
[12:15] <Shaman464> Canada can do what ever they please
[12:15] <Shaman464> only 30% think this war is a right thing to do
[12:16] <Dsarith> Germany and France are not hard core NATO. Australia, England, Canada are
[12:16] <Shaman464> no
[12:16] <Dsarith> Yip
[12:16] <Shaman464> Austrailla isnt in NATO!
[12:16] <Shaman464> theyre in the Comonwealth
[12:16] <QueenVee> Canada has pledged to NOT go to war unless it is sanctioned by the UN
[12:17] <Dsarith> Yes they are... that is why they were fighting before they were bombed
[12:17] <Dsarith> Australia is linked in somehow
[12:17] <Dsarith> I hope you all are right
[12:17] <Shaman464> we have to be the bigger country and say that this war isnt right
[12:17] <QueenVee> Canada is more committed to the UN than to the US
[12:17] <Dsarith> But if this war turns into world war, then sides will be taken
[12:17] <Shaman464> i dont care that bush "won" the election hes not my president
[12:18] <QueenVee> don't be so sure that they will line up behind the US
[12:18] <Dsarith> One sec
[12:18] <Shaman464> no they will stay neutral so will russia and china
[12:18] <QueenVee> the US is increasingly seen as the aggressor
[12:19] <West_coast> I think this is really going to be military exercise, not so much as a war
[12:19] <Shaman464> and the bristish (other then blair) dont want to goto war
[12:19] <Shaman464> british*
[12:19] <QueenVee> yeah, no support in Britain
[12:19] <QueenVee> other than from the Bush poodle
[12:19] <Shaman464> 70% of the US say the war is not the best way
[12:20] <QueenVee> since when has the US listened to its citizens?
[12:20] <Shaman464> lol not since the war in 1776
[12:20] <West_coast> not for a long time, I think
[12:21] <West_coast> it's pretty clear the "government" is not STO
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[12:22] <QueenVee> nor are they UNDECIDED
[12:22] <QueenVee> which leaves only one other option
[12:22] <West_coast> :)
[12:24] <West_coast> Dsarith: where are you going for PS?
[12:25] <Shaman464> i wish we had a saddam seeking misile
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[12:25] <West_coast> hi qul
[12:25] <qul> hi
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[12:26] <Shaman464> huh?
[12:26] <West_coast> bye qul
[12:26] <Shaman464> was he a debunker?
[12:26] <QueenVee> well, if you still have any doubts that it's about oil, have a look at this article: "The US military has drawn up detailed plans to secure and protect Iraq's oilfields"....  http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,880437,00.html
[12:26] <West_coast> I saw that
[12:26] <QueenVee> that's a guy who usually calls himself NOL
[12:27] <Shaman464> ok
[12:27] <QueenVee> the state department stressed that protection of the oilfields was "issue number one".
[12:27] <QueenVee> the military claimed that a plan to protect the multibillion oil wells was "already in place", hinting that special forces will secure key installations at the start of any ground campaign.
[12:27] <Shaman464> not saving civilians
[12:28] <West_coast> guess they don't want Saddam setting them on fire like he did in Kuwait
[12:28] <QueenVee> US, British, Russian, French and other international oil companies are already taking soundings about Iraq's multibillion pound oil supply.
[12:28] <QueenVee> The companies are reluctant to mention oil in public, fearing it will feed Arab suspicion that it is the main factor in the confrontation with Iraq.
[12:28] <QueenVee> LOL, i guess so
[12:29] <Shaman464> he said he would
[12:29] <West_coast> with all the resources with have mobilized, I don't think this "war" will last long
[12:29] <Shaman464> why doesnt Bush consider the innocents that are in his way>
[12:29] <West_coast> with=we
[12:29] <QueenVee> OH, GET THIS:
[12:29] <QueenVee> ON THE ONE HAND THEY SAY THIS:
[12:30] <QueenVee> Asked whether US companies would operate the oilfields, Mr Powell said: "I don't have an answer to that question. If we are the occupying power, it will be held for the benefit of the Iraqi people and it will be operated for the benefit of the Iraqi people."
[12:30] <QueenVee> ON THE OTHER HAND THEY SAY THIS:
[12:30] <QueenVee> There is a debate within the US administration over whether some of Iraq's oil revenues might be used to cover part of the costs of occupation
[12:30] <West_coast> lol
[12:30] <Shaman464> hasnt nancy said this is over oil too?
[12:30] <QueenVee> LOL -- the iraqui people will be required to cover the cost of the US invading their country!
[12:31] <West_coast> mighty nice of them, I think
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[12:31] <QueenVee> oh, this gets better:
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[12:31] <QueenVee> The office of the vice-president, Dick Cheney, and some officials at the Pentagon have reportedly advocated commandeering revenues from the oilfields to pay for the daily costs of the occupation force until a democratic government can be installed.
[12:31] <QueenVee> UNTIL A DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT CAN BE INSTALLED
[12:31] <QueenVee> if that doesn't qualify as an oxymoron, i don't know what does!
[12:31] <QueenVee> talk about double-speak
[12:31] <QueenVee> talk about Brave New World
[12:32] <Shaman464> that means when the oil drys up, eh?
[12:32] <QueenVee> since when is an installation government DEMOCRATIC?
[12:32] <QueenVee> does the fact that it's installed by the US make it democratic?
[12:32] <West_coast> new speak
[12:33] <Shaman464> well that means we stay there until the oils gone then let whoever to run the contry
[12:33] <QueenVee> oh, here's a nice euphemism:
[12:33] <QueenVee> The Wall Street Journal last week quoted oil industry officials saying that the Bush administration is eager to rehabilitate the Iraqi oil industry.
[12:33] <QueenVee> REHABILITATE
[12:34] <QueenVee> unbelievable
[12:34] <Shaman464> suck dry
[12:35] <QueenVee> what a fucked up world
[12:35] <QueenVee> bring on the poleshift!
[12:35] <West_coast> the US has hired an advertising firm to improve our image
[12:35] <Shaman464> oil prices will be up a dollar or 2 when the war starts too
[12:35] <QueenVee> yeah, heard about that
[12:35] <Shaman464> gas not oil*
[12:36] <Shaman464> oil will be up 10 dollars or more
[12:36] <Shaman464> this could last just as long as the war does
[12:37] <West_coast> shaman: a lot of the gas pricing has to do with shortages from Venezueala
[12:38] <Shaman464> 20% of our oil is form Jordan guess what
[12:38] <Shaman464> Jordan doesnt have oil they get it form IRAQ!
[12:38] <West_coast> 30% from Venezuela, and they are essentialy not shipping any
[12:40] <Shaman464> so we will be out 50% of our oil if we goto war
[12:41] <West_coast> I think we will get more oil from Russia, but it takes longer to get here
[12:42] <Shaman464> good thing for the shift or we would be inww3
[12:42] <Shaman464> in ww3*
[12:43] <West_coast> shaman: what are your plans for PS?
[12:43] <Shaman464> going to northern Michigan maybe form there after awhile to wisconsin
[12:44] <Shaman464> u?
[12:44] <West_coast> bought some property in eastern wash...high country...plan to go there
[12:45] <Shaman464> ok
[12:45] <Shaman464> whats the ponit of buying when that means nothing in 5 months
[12:46] <West_coast> making payments
[12:46] <QueenVee> Shaman: what would you have him do? steal it?
[12:46] <West_coast> :)
[12:46] <Shaman464> no
[12:47] <QueenVee> well, what's your point?
[12:47] <Shaman464> nothing sorry
[12:48] <West_coast> shaman: have you found anybody else who can go with you?
[12:48] <Dsarith> I am back
[12:49] <West_coast> wb
[12:49] <Dsarith> Thank you :-)
[12:49] <Shaman464> no one yet im waiting until i can tell them with out being commited to the insane aslyium
[12:49] <West_coast> :)
[12:50] <Shaman464> lol
[12:50] <Dsarith> We are all going to the asylium according to our friends and family
[12:50] <Shaman464> yea
[12:51] <West_coast> Dsarith: where are you going for PS?
[12:52] <Dsarith> East Colorado or Canada with QV
[12:52] <West_coast> does she know you are coming?  :)
[12:52] <Dsarith> Nah, I am going to surprise her
[12:52] <Dsarith> lol
[12:53] <QueenVee> cute
[12:53] <Dsarith> lol
[12:53] <QueenVee> you'll have to clear it with my cousin
[12:53] <QueenVee> and you do NOT want to mess with her
[12:53] <Shaman464> im gunna pay nancy a vist in wisconsin
[12:53] <Dsarith> :-)
[12:54] <Dsarith> QV: Is your cousin more vicious
[12:54] <QueenVee> well, i don't think either of us are VICIOUS....
[12:54] <QueenVee> but she's a little more abrasive than i am
[12:54] <Dsarith> Let me rephrase that
[12:55] <Dsarith> Abrasive yes that the word
[12:55] <Dsarith> lol
[12:55] <QueenVee> she does not suffer fools gladly
[12:55] <Dsarith> Fools... man! She hate me
[12:55] <West_coast> a practical woman
[12:55] <QueenVee> i once heard her say to a guy who was trying to pick her up: "Look, buddy -- save your breath for your inflatable doll"....
[12:55] <West_coast> lol
[12:55] <Dsarith> lol
[12:55] <Dsarith> I like her
[12:56] <QueenVee> so do i
[12:56] <Shaman464> i may wonder around trading batteries flashlights and basic medical suppiles and attenion for food and water
[12:56] <QueenVee> lemme put it this way, when she and i work together, she plays bad cop to my good cop
[12:56] <Shaman464> ive been taking First aid and survial class now
[12:57] <West_coast> QV: sounds like a good friend to have
[12:57] <Dsarith> Yep
[12:57] <Shaman464> everyone should take those classes
[12:57] <Shaman464> make it alot easier to surive in the aftertime
[12:58] <West_coast> shaman: any people you can help will certainly appreciate it
[12:58] <Dsarith> I was going to share my attention for food and water... No wait thats like a hooker.
[12:59] <Dsarith> I will starve
[12:59] <Dsarith> :-(
[13:00] <Shaman464> why do you say that>
[13:00] <Dsarith> Just a joke
[13:00] <Shaman464> ok
[13:00] <West_coast> Dsarith: when are you going to "stake out" a safe site?
[13:01] <Dsarith> I am in a delimna with that one
[13:01] <West_coast> how so?
[13:02] <Dsarith> I have to wait for PX to be seen in daylight so I can show my family. I already told them all about it and they think I am crazy. So I got them to agree that the minute it is in the sky and they can see, we go.
[13:02] <West_coast> ok, but where are you going to go?
[13:02] <Dsarith> It will give me just enough time to get them moving
[13:02] <Dsarith> East Colorado driving
[13:02] <QueenVee> Dsarith: that doesn't stop you from planning on a site
[13:03] <West_coast> good point, QV
[13:04] <Dsarith> I am planning and getting survival stuff together
[13:04] <Dsarith> Enough for everyone
[13:04] <Dsarith> I will finish picking up the rest on the way to Colorado
[13:04] <West_coast> cool, steps in the right direction, for sure
[13:04] <QueenVee> for sure
[13:05] <Shaman464> i need to get going
[13:05] <Dsarith> Also have picked out how I am going to design a trench design
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[13:05] <Dsarith> For the shift
[13:05] <Dsarith> As soon as my family is on board I will finish it.
[13:05] <Dsarith> In the meantime, reading up on survival skills and picking up a book herb healing
[13:06] <West_coast> so, you will drive until you find a likely spot and start digging?
[13:06] <Dsarith> I am good :-)
[13:06] <West_coast> you are good :)
[13:06] <QueenVee> why do you have to wait for your family to be on board to finish the design?
[13:06] <Dsarith> When I get up there, I am going to buy an isolated spot and rent a tractor
[13:06] <Dsarith> Not the design to get them to go to Colorado with me
[13:07] <QueenVee> ah
[13:07] <West_coast> dsarith: maybe you could start searching the want ads now
[13:08] <Dsarith> Want ads for what.. Property?
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[13:08] <West_coast> yes, property in Colorado
[13:08] <Dsarith> WB Obany
[13:08] <Dsarith> I got a plan for that as well
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[13:09] <Dsarith> My parents, who has to go with me, is well to do as far as cash flow
[13:09] <QueenVee> well, i have to stop procrastinating, and take my dog out for his afternoon run.... in the freezing cold.....
[13:10] <QueenVee> later
[13:10] <West_coast> watch out for frostbite
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[13:10] <Dsarith> So once they are convinced we will buy and have the owner agree to allow us to set up before closing. OF course closing takes 60 days or so but by then it wont matter
[13:10] <West_coast> all that presumes that you can find a place
[13:11] <Dsarith> Easy, no problem. I also have property that I can use in Colorado if need be
[13:11] <West_coast> cool, sounds like youv'e got it covered for PS, anyway
[13:11] <Dsarith> Afterwards I will search out gave and set up a parameter and would like to set up aid center.
[13:11] <Dsarith> gave=cave
[13:12] <Dsarith> Bring in people who needs help
[13:12] <West_coast> a worth endeavor, for sure
[13:12] <West_coast> worth-worthy
[13:12] <Dsarith> Not sure what I am going to do if my parents still refuse to move...:-(
[13:12] <Dsarith> I could go without them, but that would suck
[13:13] <West_coast> as for a loan, maybe
[13:13] <West_coast> as=asl
[13:13] <West_coast> ask
[13:13] <West_coast> think I need a new keyboard
[13:13] <Dsarith> Oh I have my own money if I need to get it.. Stocks and cash... thats not the problem
[13:14] <Dsarith> I would hate to leave them here in Dallas
[13:14] <West_coast> I understand, if my folks weren't going back to Canada, I would have the same problem
[13:15] <Dsarith> I told QV that I was going to start my own community... A Harem type setup or a Lions Pride... lol
[13:15] <West_coast> lol
[13:15] <West_coast> as long as it is not a bear's den
[13:15] <Dsarith> Thats getting back to nature
[13:15] <Dsarith> lol
[13:15] <Dsarith> Yep no bears den
[13:16] <Dsarith> Hiya Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[13:16] <Aaaaa> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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[13:16] <West_coast> well, I'm off to take care of a few things..C U later
[13:16] <Dsarith> CYA
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[13:18] <Dsarith> Are ya here Tied2
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[13:19] <obany> The Swiss (who are famous for their precision) claim it was a 8,1, who's right?
[13:19] <obany> http://seismo.ethz.ch/redpuma/signals/KP200301220219.html
[13:19] <obany> someone emailed that to tt-watch
[13:20] <Aaaaa> saw it
[13:20] <obany> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/12425
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[13:23] <Dsarith> I believe the Swiss
[13:23] <Dsarith> Hi Andy
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[13:24] <Dsarith> Hi Juditness... having problems today?
[13:24] <Dsarith> :-)
[13:25] <juditness> nope
[13:25] <juditness> rick is being an idiot.
[13:25] <Dsarith> Ahh
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[13:33] <Dsarith> WB humvee
[13:33] <humvee> thanks
[13:34] <humvee> got all the yard grading done - last 2 do 2 sell house - yippie!
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[13:35] <Dsarith> So you are selling your house?
[13:35] <Dsarith> Hiya yggd
[13:35] <yggdrasil> herro
[13:35] <humvee> yes we r taking a reasonable down payment then they pay the loan n we go
[13:35] <humvee> easy out sale
[13:36] <Dsarith> Good deal
[13:36] <humvee> :-)
[13:36] <Dsarith> Where are you going then
[13:36] <Dsarith> MN
[13:37] <humvee> going t north minesota to hunt fish live in small cabin w/ 4 so far
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[13:38] <humvee> 5 acres wooded lot remote close to canadian border
[13:38] <yggdrasil> http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/americas/01/23/colombia.hippos.reut/index.html
[13:39] <yggdrasil> im gonna move there
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[13:40] <humvee> with hippos or 2 MN?
[13:40] <yggdrasil> yea
[13:40] <yggdrasil> to the hippos
[13:40] <humvee> reading noe
[13:40] <humvee> now
[13:43] <yggdrasil> [14:51] <peer> Milton Bradley is perhaps the world's most craftiest and mentally disturbed animal abuser. It baffles me to this day to think of how he has managed to escape the S.P.C.A. for so long. JUST HOW MANY MORE MALNOURISHED HUNGRY HIPPOS DOES HE NEED TO PUT INTO THIS WORLD UNTIL HES SATISIFIED?!?!
[13:53] <humvee> off 2 see the wizzard - bye 4 now
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[14:15] <vn> http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/new.htm#inca
[14:15] <vn> inca's and maya's predict 2012
[14:32] <obany> vn: but acc zetatalk that calender ain't right
[14:32] <vn> yuph...both theories are as promising imo
[14:33] <vn> too much to read for me....wish I had all the stuff in books not in inet pages
[14:33] <vn> I have read here and there but it looked like they have "evidence" too
[14:37] <vn> argh...are you waiting for the 25th of january oban?
[14:38] <obany> vn?
[14:38] <obany> waiting for the 25th ?
[14:39] <vn> yeah the pravda thing
[14:39] <vn> they say asteroids will hit the atlantic between africa and south-america
[14:40] <obany> ah nan doubt that that will happen
[14:40] <vn> yup
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[14:44] <tied2> vn got a link ?
[14:45] <vn> u probably seen it...just that russian pravda comments ukrainan pravda
[14:45] <vn> http://english.pravda.ru/main/2003/01/17/42163.html
[14:46] <vn> someone gave me a link some other guy also predicted this
[14:46] <vn> but I have lost that link
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[15:14] <[]GregACNJ> Yo, PSD!
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[15:24] <Valdrix> helllo
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[15:25] <Valdrix> sup ydgrasil
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[15:26] <ydgrasil> heerooo
[15:43] <Douch3> interesting
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[15:45] <obany> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2366/montgomery.html  she has some other ideas about it .. but here
[15:45] <obany> Ruth: A shift of the Earth on its axis is the way they say that. They say it will slope to its side, but they don't say how far. That is why it is so important to say, 'a shift of the Earth on its axis.' I used to say 'a shift of the poles' until certain scientists pointed out to me that that was pretty impossible. So it is a shift of the Earth on its axis. The axis itself doesn't shift.
[15:45] <obany> Nancy: What kind of changes have The Guides predicted?
[15:45] <obany> Ruth: It will be a real upheaval, and temperatures will change. Some areas will be in a warmer climate, and some will be in a colder climate. They say that the new south pole will be in the southern part of South America, the North pole will be somewhere in the Pacific. They can't locate it because there will be such a shift in the way the Earth looks from outer space.
[15:45] <Ralf> omg flood :-(
[15:45] <QueenVee> is this ruth montgomery?
[15:45] <obany> yes
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[15:47] <karmie> hello QueenVee and everyone
[15:47] <QueenVee> hi karmie, humvee
[15:47] <humvee> hello karmie  hi queenxee
[15:47] <QueenVee> obany: yes, from what i recall, what she said EXACTLY paralleled ZetaTalk
[15:47] <humvee> opsQueenVee
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[15:48] <humvee> ty
[15:49] <QueenVee> obany just posted what ruth montgomery said about the coming poleshift, way back in the 1970s....
[15:49] <QueenVee>  A shift of the Earth on its axis is the way they say that. They say it will slope to its side, but they don't say how far. That is why it is so important to say, 'a shift of the Earth on its axis.' I used to say 'a shift of the poles' until certain scientists pointed out to me that that was pretty impossible. So it is a shift of the Earth on its axis. The axis itself doesn't shift.
[15:49] <QueenVee>  It will be a real upheaval, and temperatures will change. Some areas will be in a warmer climate, and some will be in a colder climate. They say that the new south pole will be in the southern part of South America, the North pole will be somewhere in the Pacific. They can't locate it because there will be such a shift in the way the Earth looks from outer space.
[15:49] <vn> ogmios you there ?
[15:50] <obany> QueenVee: but well she now is saying that they (their guides changed the date, i rahter would think that she herself prosponed it, influenced
[15:51] <QueenVee> ? she is now saying? she's been dead for a while....
[15:52] <obany> in 2000
[15:52] <obany> tied2: Maybe they are not supposed to come true but show us the variety of possibilities, and confirm over and over again that both sides progress rapidly. What do you think about the earth's shift on its axis?
[15:52] <obany> Ralf: My Guides were writing about that in my earlier books a very long time ago. Like Edgar Cayce said, it would be around the turn of the century. But about three-four years before the turn of the century they begin telling me that it would be postponed, that it would be not then. It would be a number of years later. So now they're indicating it probably wouldn't be before 2012.  
[15:52] <QueenVee> what was her original date, and what did she change it to?
[15:52] <obany> QueenVee: 2003
[15:52] <obany> 2012
[15:52] <obany> for what i remember it was 2003
[15:53] <QueenVee> mmmm
[15:53] <obany> http://www.tanika.com/ruth.htm
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[15:54] <karmie> did Edgar Cayce actually say "Pole Shift" or did he talk about earth changes?
[15:55] <obany> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=0609604791&pwb=1
[15:56] <QueenVee> he actually said poleshift
[15:56] <obany> here what someoene wrote about a book from Ruth a book from 1999
[15:56] <obany>  shift will not occur until 2003 at the earliest and could wait until 2012. Drought and famine are coming - and we need to prepare for this.
[15:56] <karmie> thanks QV, I was not sure - knew he talked about earthchanges
[15:56] <obany> http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=0609604791&pwb=1
[15:59] <QueenVee> well, these date variations are quite vexing
[16:00] <QueenVee> but nancy and the zetas are so adamant that their date is correct
[16:01] <obany> i know and i am sure they are correct. The Zetas that is
[16:02] <QueenVee> mmm this is interesting:
[16:02] <QueenVee> I can tell you that not too long ago in one of my books, The Guides said that a Walk-In President would come in to alert people as to where they should go and will give enough warning so that some businesses could become established in these safer areas. They've predicted that for some time.
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[16:02] <QueenVee> in view of what ZT said about Gore being a Starchild....
[16:03] <Shaman464> Hi all
[16:03] <obany> yes yes, but a walk-in is not a starchild   ...
[16:03] <obany> aslo here for what that book is saying
[16:03] <obany> ! While the Guides see no possibility for preventing the shift, they say that our improving consciousness regarding God has reduced the severity of the earth changes and delayed the necessity of the shift. Many walk-ins believe that the shift can be prevented and its up to us!
[16:04] <humvee> not really i have been looking at the dates ans mayn see the time period od 7-9 year of geolgical trobles & they are quite correct.  If you have px passing twice & add 2 years for the earth envirnoment 2 settle down after the second pass.  Then the period of economic, politicle, military & finaly the dimentional changes it is about right on!
[16:04] <QueenVee> well, i trust the Guides over the walk-ins on that one
[16:04] <humvee> QV
[16:04] <humvee> above
[16:05] <humvee> many see 7-9 years
[16:06] <QueenVee> humvee: i don't follow....
[16:07] <humvee> almost all the predictions are focused on the period ending or climaxing in 2012
[16:07] <Shaman464> no, not all ive seen 2007 alot too
[16:07] <humvee> we r in for about 9 years of a very rough ride - so they r pretty close
[16:08] <QueenVee> humvee: so you're saying you think the poleshift will happen in 2012 rather than 2003?
[16:08] <karmie> Ruth Montgomery died June 10, 2001 - Naples, Florida
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[16:09] <Shaman464> Hey Jub
[16:09] <jubjub963> ahoy
[16:10] <humvee> no 1. 2003 1st pass  2.  economy dump 3. wars 4. px passes again  5. things shift into 4th dimention 0212 approx
[16:10] <humvee> 2012
[16:10] <QueenVee> humvee: oh, i see
[16:10] <jubjub963> what economy after 1st pass?   there won't be any
[16:10] <jubjub963> i thought
[16:10] <obany> altough that's not what ZT is saying will take like 100 years before the shift to 4th
[16:11] <Douch3> what makes you think it will pass twice?
[16:11] <QueenVee> well, interesting, ZT says the second pass will be in 2011....
[16:11] <obany> there will be second pass but won't cause a pole shift
[16:11] <QueenVee> Douch: it will pass again on its return trip
[16:11] <humvee>  true economy dump = 0  dont forget almost every predictor says time is the hardest part 2 get correct
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[16:12] <Douch3> so basicly on its first passage its further away from the earth right?
[16:12] <QueenVee> Douch: the second pass will not cause as much upheaval, because it will be farther away from the earth on the return trip
[16:12] <Douch3> i see
[16:12] <QueenVee> Douch: no, the opposite
[16:12] <Douch3> :)
[16:12] <GalacticExplorer> Hello
[16:12] <QueenVee> hi GE
[16:12] <humvee> 2nd pass will cause milder earthquakes or whatever to a planet already in greast dissaray
[16:12] <Shaman464> it wont do a thing
[16:13] <humvee> great
[16:13] <QueenVee> shaman: what won't do a thing?
[16:13] <Shaman464> the second pass right?
[16:13] <QueenVee> no, it will cause earthquakes, storms, etc, but not a poleshift
[16:13] <Shaman464> the first one does the damage and the second does little to none.........o
[16:13] <Shaman464> ok
[16:14] <Douch3> so when can we expect to hear about it on a larger scale like in the media, papers and stuff?
[16:14] <QueenVee> gotta move my computer, reboot, brb
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[16:15] <Shaman464> so whats up hum?
[16:15] <humvee> in Nancy's vision page it states that 1 great effect of the ps will be the 3 year crop failure - rereading that was a wakeup call to me re: food preparations / seeds
[16:16] <Shaman464> there has been corp stortages
[16:16] <Shaman464> shortages*
[16:16] <humvee> Douch3 :  think about it from the governments position  if they say = panic  so what 2 do?
[16:17] <humvee> Shaman i had the backhoe here today yard is now spiffy 2 sell house
[16:18] <Shaman464> thats goog
[16:18] <Shaman464> good*
[16:19] <humvee> r plan is progressing: sell-pack-ship-flyaway-get cabin-fillw/food-weait-hold on tight!
[16:20] <humvee> wait
[16:20] <karmie> Here is an interview with Ruth Montgomery:  http://www.naturalawakenings.com/ruth1099.htm
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[16:24] <Shaman464> Hi Queen
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[16:24] <QueenVee> hi
[16:27] <karmie> QueenVee in this interview with Ruth Montgomery she talks about the walkin president:  http://www.naturalawakenings.com/ruth1099.htm
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[16:28] <QueenVee> mmm, interesting
[16:28] <QueenVee> hello Kain
[16:29] <karmie> at least we now know about Ross!
[16:29] <Kain> Even'n folks..
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[16:30] <QueenVee> hiya red
[16:30] <Kain> Should I be concerned with "ross"?
[16:30] <karmie> Kain - not really
[16:31] <Red> Hey QV et al
[16:31] <Kain> I urged a co-worker today to not allow her husbands' work to take him to India for 2-3 months starting late February..
[16:32] <Kain> think she took it seriously... hope so..
[16:32] <Kain> urged her to read Zetatalk - Poleshift section at least...
[16:33] <Kain> So whats the latest news? Other than what QV provides in her site.. which I very much apreciate!!! Check it serveral times a day..
[16:33] <QueenVee> well, i have to excuse myself right now to go and update that....
[16:34] <QueenVee> be back in a bit
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[16:36] <Douch3> well at least in the states you can buy a gun
[16:36] <Douch3> around here there its not alowed
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[16:36] <humvee> sort of yes
[16:36] <Douch3> so i will have to rely on my bow
[16:36] <Kain> yea sorta...
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[16:36] <Douch3> and survival knife
[16:36] <humvee> do u have cross bows there?
[16:37] <Douch3> nope
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[16:37] <Douch3> but you gave a hell of an idea :)
[16:37] <humvee> oh there must b info on the web re how 2 make them
[16:37] <Kain> is it difficult to make arrows?
[16:37] <Douch3> use dart arrows
[16:38] <humvee> no and the thing is the arrows are reusable and silent
[16:38] <Douch3> yea
[16:38] <Kain> I've been practicing with a slingshot.... should be plenty of ammo everywhere..
[16:38] <Douch3> lol
[16:38] <humvee> can be made from a car leaf spring
[16:39] <humvee> a good sling shot is good 4 small game
[16:39] <Douch3> its also a handy weapon to carry and light :)
[16:39] <humvee> air rifles r good and inexpensive
[16:39] <Shaman464> i have a gun
[16:39] <Douch3> yea but the make sound
[16:40] <Shaman464> they work good
[16:40] <Shaman464> i hunt alot
[16:40] <Kain> when ya have bullets..
[16:40] <Douch3> a gun would be the best
[16:40] <Shaman464> i can get a buck with on shot
[16:40] <Douch3> i probably couldnt hit a truck if i was standing next to it :)
[16:40] <humvee> funny thought try 2 scare a moose with ur empty gun - LOL
[16:41] <humvee> gun is not the best in most survival situations
[16:42] <humvee> guns will b good later on or if u r being rushed
[16:42] <Shaman464> id never shoot a human
[16:42] <humvee> if u r trying 2 eat but not b eaten (discovered) a boe n arrow might b the thing
[16:43] <humvee> a cross bow @ short range is very stealthy
[16:43] <humvee> u can make or but on internet and no permit is required
[16:43] <humvee> buy
[16:44] <Shaman464> silencer
[16:44] <humvee> i heard u can use a plastic 1 liter pop bottle
[16:45] <humvee> do u think u should make the hole 1st or just blow a hole in it
[16:45] <humvee> LOL
[16:45] <GalacticExplorer> LOL
[16:45] <Shaman464> lol
[16:47] <humvee> my wife's brother went for a deer saw a brown one but unfortunately bagged a farmers cow by accident
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[16:47] <humvee> had 2 dress it and take it home very embarassing
[16:49] <humvee> shaman where do u hunt
[16:49] <Shaman464> the forest around the area i live but the best place is the UP of MI
[16:50] <humvee> MI=Michigan?
[16:50] <Shaman464> yeap
[16:51] <humvee> im ps'ing in n MN as hunting/fishing = good
[16:54] <Shaman464> ok
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[16:58] <obany> mm
[16:58] <Shaman464> Welcome back Tied!
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[16:59] <tied2> «§» Hello  «§»
[16:59] <obany> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/12430   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tt-watch/message/12429
[16:59] <obany> lot of earthquake activity
[17:00] <Shaman464> brb
[17:01] <Shaman464> have to reset
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[17:08] * obany gaat, goes bye mzzls
[17:08] <obany> gong now ..
[17:08] <tied2> «§» Good Nite! obany «§»
[17:08] <obany> 2:10am here so
[17:08] <obany> eheheh
[17:09] <obany> bye
[17:10] <obany> and tnx
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[17:15] * juditness is away.. hey Ralf... can i kick it? :P [mail: judit@geekychick.org] at 02:18:46
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[17:26] * tied2 is away: I'm probably tring to fix my Windows box :-(
[17:26] * tied2 is away: I'm probably tring to fix my Windows box :-( : Autoaway, idle > 10 minutes. (Xscript 0.7.2)
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[17:29] <Shaman464> hi Queen
[17:29] <Shaman464> Hi Tied
[17:29] <Shaman464> Hi Hum
[17:29] <humvee> hi hi
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[17:33] <Shaman464> so anyone in here know about ZT more then 2 years?
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[17:33] <tied2> yes
[17:33] <tied2> 4 years here
[17:33] <Shaman464> ok 3 here
[17:34] <humvee> 2
[17:34] <Shaman464> ok
[17:34] <Shaman464> i given everything alot of thought and have lost sleep
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[17:35] <Shaman464> the more i think the more it all comes together when i first read about it i thought it would be the other way round
[17:36] <humvee> both wife n i were up all nite last dont know y - knowlege = stress
[17:37] <Shaman464> queen how about y?
[17:37] <Shaman464> u*
[17:38] <QueenVee> sorry, what was the question?
[17:38] <Shaman464> have you lost any sleep due to ZT and the PS
[17:39] <QueenVee> i went through a brief period where i did
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[17:40] <tied2> I hardly ever sleep at nite anymore
[17:41] <Ralf> hrm
[17:41] <Ralf> i slept pretty damn good last night
[17:41] <karmie> I know we don't get much sleep in our house, either
[17:42] <Shaman464> f