Session Start: Sun Jan 26 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
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[00:18] <scooby-atwork> damn
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[00:19] <scooby-atwork> hey kevin
[00:19] <kEvin> hi
[00:20] <scooby-atwork> what brings you here?
[00:20] <kEvin> just reading about the pole shift
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[00:23] <scooby-atwork> how did you hear about it?
[00:24] <kEvin> from my friend judit
[00:24] <scooby-atwork> have you read thru http://www.zetatalk.com
[00:24] <scooby-atwork> that is the best place to start
[00:24] <kEvin> yes most of it... I still need to read a few more links
[00:24] <scooby-atwork> also check out http://www.shift2003.com
[00:24] <kEvin> k
[00:25] <from_Texas> brb
[00:25] <scooby-atwork> ok tex
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[00:26] <scooby-atwork> ok, Kev... I am outta here... finally off of work
[00:26] <scooby-atwork> see ya later
[00:26] <kEvin> ok
[00:26] <scooby-atwork> where are you located, anyway?
[00:26] <kEvin> later
[00:26] <kEvin> spokane washington
[00:27] <scooby-atwork> <<<san diego
[00:27] <kEvin> I am from la jolla
[00:27] <kEvin> heh
[00:27] <kEvin> I goto college up here
[00:27] <scooby-atwork> i suspected that from your IP host mask
[00:27] <scooby-atwork> username sdlajolla
[00:27] <kEvin> ah
[00:27] <kEvin> where do you live in san diego?
[00:27] <scooby-atwork> IB
[00:27] <kEvin> ah
[00:28] <scooby-atwork> allright... I am outta here, maybe someone else is alive in here tonite, but it is generally pretty quiet
[00:28] <scooby-atwork> you might want to check out #earthchanges
[00:28] <kEvin> ok
[00:28] <scooby-atwork> or #troubled_times
[00:28] <kEvin> k
[00:28] <scooby-atwork> nite!
[00:28] <kEvin> nite
[00:28] <scooby-atwork> nite others....
[00:28] <scooby-atwork> if yer there
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[00:46] <Tonee> has anyone been genetically enhanced?
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[01:17] <from_Texas> hello Aaaaa
[01:17] <Aaaaa> hi
[01:17] <from_Texas> it is dead in here tonight
[01:18] <Aaaaa> i guess
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[01:18] <Aaaaa> i missed the session today...guess i'll go read the logs
[01:19] <from_Texas> ok
[01:19] <Aaaaa> hi OB
[01:19] <from_Texas> I'm headed out
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[01:19] <tex-away> !down
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[01:20] <Aaaaa> Youre in charge Obany!
[01:20] <Aaaaa> Jurian too ,I guess
[01:20] <Aaaaa> Bye!
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[01:35] <scooby-afk> i thought it was kinda quiet in here...
[01:35] <scooby-afk> keep getting disco'd and no one tells me about it
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[01:37] <scooby-afk> that time i did it
[01:38] <scooby-afk> heh heh
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[01:38] <shaggy> rut roh
[01:38] <scrappy> where is uncle scooby ?
[01:38] <scrappy> let me have him let me have him
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[01:39] <obany> brb :)
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[01:57] <obany> back
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[02:21] <Richard> hi
[02:24] <Richard> anyone home/
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[02:34] <obany> woops
[03:37] <scooby> o well
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[03:44] <obany> going now bye and laters
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[06:45] <prichard> hi.  is anybldy in here?
[06:46] <prichard> hello?
[06:47] <prichard> I guess everyone's asleep.  BYE!
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[06:47] <prichard> hello?
[06:48] <Pace> hello
[06:48] <prichard> Hi  Where are you from?
[06:48] <Pace> uk
[06:48] <Pace> u
[06:48] <prichard> I'm from United States.  So what do you think about this pole shift stuff?
[06:49] <Pace> well, not sure man. some things point to it happening, some things dont
[06:49] <Pace> any new news?
[06:50] <prichard> Yeah.  I know what you mean.  I have moved already, and feel the signs are there.  All of the information appears to be the same and supports the shift.  even sciencience.
[06:50] <Pace> yea
[06:51] <prichard> I was a little skeptical about the alien stuff.  Always heard about the pole shift, but aliens?   Seems to be making some sense though.  Funny how the observatries ahave all been shut down at about the same time
[06:52] <Pace> which alien stuff u mean
[06:53] <prichard> We have been sprayed here  by chemtrails almost daily.  It is so obvious.  And everyone at wrok has been watching this for days.  I'm talking about the eta Talk website when I refer to aliens.  Z
[06:53] <Pace> i c
[06:53] <Pace> do you know much about the big picture?
[06:53] <prichard> So what are yoiu doing to prepare?
[06:54] <Pace> well, the uk should be alright upto a certain extent i think :s . If not ive got my spade
[06:55] <prichard> I don't know that much.  Pole shift to occur spring 2003, large amounts of water shifting about.  Planet X creating asteroidal dust, so stay in a basement, get basic food supplies ready.  According to Edgar Cayce, the sleeping prophet, England will be OK inland, but get quite cold.  Quite aw bit of the rest of Europe will go into the sea
[06:56] <Pace> yep
[06:57] <prichard> England is to get quite frigid, and I believe the capital will be moved to accomodate rising water.  US will bring aid
[06:57] <prichard> US won't fare that much better, but will get warmer.  Will split into 3 seperate continents.  Saw a vision where the area I moved to wassafe, but had many rivers running thru it.
[06:58] <Pace> i c
[06:59] <Pace> you know the new world order, and the planned one world government, and how it will(if it all occures) affect the world?
[06:59] <prichard> WHo knows?  Good to be safe then sorry.  Save up a little food just in case.  I had a vision about being too prepared, and was basically told I had better prepare, but don't overdo it.  
[06:59] <Pace> yep
[06:59] <Pace> heh
[07:00] <Pace> i think u will need to prepare for the future even if it doesnt happen
[07:00] <prichard> 1 World governemnt will probably occur after the shift out of neccessity.  Will appear to be a good idea, but won't work.  There will be an attempt before, which is what BUSH is trying to do.  He wants the Middle East, but wont get it
[07:00] <Pace> i made a mistake above
[07:01] <prichard> what mistake?
[07:01] <Pace> when i said, if it all occures, i was talking about the planetx etc
[07:02] <Pace> not the new world order as it is definate that we are heading in that direction
[07:02] <prichard> I think that it will definitely happen. I think that's why the US is being sprayed, to minimilize the effects of its atmoshpere hiting ours.  We are sprayed at least 3 times a week.
[07:03] <prichard> I think i have been disconnected
[07:04] <Pace> and when do you think you will know wether planetx is comin or not?
[07:05] <prichard> We should know for certain by March 30th.  I thinks it's better not to know definitely til then anyway.  If everyon knew now, food prices and other goods would skyrocket, people wouldn't pay their bills, and nobody would work.  We'd all be starving before the planet arrives in May<
[07:05] <Pace> i c
[07:08] <prichard> Interesting that science has now confirmed some of the precursers to a polar shift.  BUlge at the equator shows now that the polar ice weight has caused this, and is ready to shift.  This is now in many science journals recently.  Polar ice is also melting at an exptremely rapid rate.  In the US, we had an extremely cold air mass from Siberia.  We have now warmed somehwat becuase a Polar air mass has settled in.  
[07:09] <Pace> yep
[07:10] <prichard> Are people in UK talking about Planet x or the Pole Shift at all?
[07:10] <Pace> what are your plans for the new world order/great deception
[07:11] <Pace> well, people that have seen stuff on the internet proberly. why? How big are people disscusing it in the US? If its becoming a big issue then i dont think it will happen
[07:12] <prichard> WHat do  you mean order/great deception?  Will I take part?  You can't be forced to take part. After the Pole Shift, there will still be many opportunities for individual communities to remain independent.  If you want to be part of the rationaing system afterwards, then I believe that there will be a problem.  More people in the US are becoming aware, yes.
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[07:12] <QueenVee> whois prichard prichard
[07:13] <prichard> I am.  WHy do you ask?
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[07:13] <QueenVee> ha
[07:13] <Pace> no i didnt mean b part of of it. It one of the worst things thats happended to mankind. i meant, to stop it
[07:13] <QueenVee> i was just doing a /whois on your name, because i haven't seen you in my channel before
[07:14] <QueenVee> so, Prichard and Pace, what brings you to this room?
[07:14] <prichard> You can't stop it, but you don't have to be part of it.  It will run its course to its furition.  People need to learn that it is not a solution, it is the problem.
[07:14] <Pace> the people who have been in control of the coming one world order have been planning this for around 3 hundred years
[07:14] <QueenVee> Prichard: what are you referring to, what is "it"?
[07:14] <Pace> and noone can avoid it
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[07:16] <prichard> New World Order Queen.  Of course you can avoid it.  We've been living with it for all this time already.  If you are talking about the Masons, etc., you are correct that the power sources have been her for some time.  However, they do not have complete control, and still wonti in the future
[07:16] <Pace> do you know the issues involved. e.g. An eventual one world government, a Bio-chipped population, etc
[07:17] <QueenVee> well, it isn't going to happen before the poleshift, so i wouldn't worry about it
[07:17] <prichard> Again, government is still a voluntary situation.  
[07:17] <Pace> they have been progressing its final stages over the past 50 years
[07:17] <Pace> nope
[07:17] <Pace> they will have complete control
[07:17] <Pace> these are the most powerfull people in the world
[07:18] <Pace> the people who pull bush'e and blairs strings
[07:18] <Pace> bush's
[07:19] <prichard> No they won't.  Powerful how?  Only willing servants make somebody powerful.  They still don't control YOU.  You have your own choices to make, and you can decide how to live your life.  Be aware, and act accordingly.  I have no intentions of getting a boi chip.
[07:19] <QueenVee> Prichard & Pace: how long have you both been aware of zetatalk and the coming poleshift?
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[07:19] <Pace> since sept11th, they have used the war on terrorism to lock down on peoples freedoms
[07:19] <prichard> I have been aware of Pole shift for 5 years, Zeta talk 1 year
[07:19] <Ogmios> hi
[07:20] <Pace> err, i first heard about it about a year ago i think
[07:20] <prichard> Pace, u r correct.  Bush is using this as an excuse to take away personal freedoms.  Planet X will thwart this effort thoug.  They have to live thru this shift just like veryone else.  His true colors will show.
[07:21] <Pace> do you think that the most powerfull people on earth would not know about the pole shift if it was going to happen
[07:21] <QueenVee> hi ogmios
[07:22] <QueenVee> whereabouts are you both located?
[07:22] <Pace> these people manipulate wars to there outcome never mind missing out on something as big as this
[07:22] <Pace> me?
[07:22] <QueenVee> yes
[07:22] <Pace> the uk
[07:22] <prichard> Pace, if u r referring to Biblical Prophecy, not all people receive the Mark of the Beast.  They want it to receive what they will consider the comforts of life, including food, etc.  But noti ce that the Bible says not all receive the Mark.  I don't believe the US wil even be involved with this
[07:23] <prichard> I am from the United States
[07:23] <QueenVee> Prichard: this is a channel for those who wish to discuss preparation for the May2003 Poleshift predicted by ZetaTalk -- NOT biblical prophecies.
[07:23] <Pace> its along them lines yes, but alot deeper than this. Prich, i can sware on my life that this is happening.
[07:23] <QueenVee> what is happening?
[07:24] <prichard> It is, abut Planet x is coming.  This is in the Bible too!
[07:24] <QueenVee> Prichard and Pace: are you in relatively safe locations, or will you have to relocate?
[07:24] <QueenVee> Prichard: well, there's no Mark of the Beast, honey
[07:24] <Ogmios> black sabbath - the sign of the southern cross
[07:25] <Pace> I first heard of it about 5 years ago when i was about 14, i m8 stopped round at my house and we were talking, and he said, you know that in teh year 2000 they are planning on bio-chipping everyone, i was like yea right.....
[07:25] <Ogmios> hi victoria
[07:25] <prichard> It's an allegroy, not to be taken literally
[07:25] <Pace> w8 ill get back to it in a second
[07:25] <Pace> anyway since then
[07:25] <QueenVee> look, ZetaTalk indicates that no one is being bio-chipped and no one WILL be bio-chipped, no matter who may be planning what
[07:25] <Ogmios> what comes in mind from term "southern cross"
[07:25] <Pace> the chip has been relesed for people to purchase since last october in the US
[07:26] <QueenVee> so what's the point of all of this?
[07:26] <Pace> the "verichip"
[07:26] <QueenVee> okay, look guys, please note:
[07:26] <prichard> So what?  Don't get one!  Nobody can make you get a bio chip!
[07:26] <QueenVee>  'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[07:27] <QueenVee> i think you would be better located in the #govtconspiracy channel
[07:27] <Pace> well i have done my research and seen changes happen which has made it obvious to me that these things will happen, i thought you people were aware
[07:27] <QueenVee> because you don't seem to want to discuss the poleshift predicted by ZetaTalk
[07:27] <Pace> queen
[07:27] <QueenVee> what things will happpen?
[07:27] <Pace> heh...
[07:27] <prichard> In all respects queen, u can look at the beginning of our conversation and see that we were talking about the pole shift.  Must read all of the talk before making a judgement.
[07:28] <QueenVee> okay, but you've gone way off topic now into theories that are simply not supported by zetatalk
[07:28] <prichard> Maybe so.  By the way Queen, I like YOUR website.  Like it better than Zeta talk, and seems to be updated sooner to.  Good job.
[07:28] <QueenVee> thank you
[07:29] <QueenVee> Prichard: what part of the US are you located in? is it a safe location?
[07:29] <Pace> but its not a theory, this is actually happening. people lable people who talk about this as conpiracy theorists just to throw the issue ove there shoulder as if it was to be true as it is then it would change there way of thinking
[07:29] <QueenVee> And what about you, Pace? Are you planning to relocate?
[07:29] <prichard> Yes, I am in a safe location except for Chemtrails.  Located in Upstate New YOrk.  My vision says that this is a safe area.
[07:30] <QueenVee> Pace: ZetaTalk says that it is NOT goingt to happen before the poleshift -- so what do you know that the zetas do not?
[07:31] <prichard> Queen, Pace is talking about the AfterPole Shift plans.  He is probably right, but Zetas are more concerned about the impending pole shift, first
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[07:32] <QueenVee> okay, one last time: ZETATALK INDICATES THAT THE U.S. GOVT WILL NOT HAVE SUCH POWER IN THE AFTERTIME
[07:33] <QueenVee> if you believe the Zetas are wrong about this, please tell us very specifically what you know that the zetas do not
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[07:33] <QueenVee> and then tell us what part of "THE MAY2003 POLESHIFT AND AFTERTIME PREDICTED BY ZETATALK" you don't understand
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[07:33] <Pace> Its been in progress for around 300 years and go all the way back to the knights templars. If your belife that this is going to happen is so firm that you will throw other information over your shoulder then you are being decieved.
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[07:33] <QueenVee> so you believe the zetas are deceiving us?
[07:34] <prichard> No, and neither did pace say that
[07:34] <Pace> i 'know' the governments(or secret governments) big picture
[07:34] <prichard> Why was I bumped from this channel a few minutes ago?
[07:35] <Pace> and i think you need to do your research into that.
[07:35] <QueenVee> ONE MORE TIME (the last time by the way): WHAT DO YOU KNOW THAT THE ZETAS DO NOT?
[07:35] <prichard> Who are u talking to QUeen?
[07:35] <QueenVee> both of you
[07:36] <prichard> We r just talking.  Have u read the conversation?
[07:36] <QueenVee> you clearly believe in a different AFTERTIME than the zetas predict, so i want to know what you know that the zetas do not?
[07:36] <QueenVee> yes, i have read the conversation
[07:36] <Pace> i didnt think anything untill i came here. But i can now see that you are so firmly set in your belife that you are avoiding the truth, which is what ive found out to be true
[07:36] <QueenVee> and i'm waiting for an answer
[07:36] <QueenVee> okay, Pace, then this isn't the channel for you, is it?
[07:36] <QueenVee> try #earthchanges
[07:37] <Pace> you dissapoint me
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[07:37] <prichard> I don't see where the Zetas have given a complete description of the Aftertime.  THey talk quite a bit about the shift, but not future plans after the shift.
[07:37] <QueenVee> yes, they do. they have a whole section on the AFTERTIME, including information on the relative disappearnace of the US government and current powers that be
[07:37] <QueenVee> don't know how you could have missed that, it's fairly prominent
[07:38] <QueenVee> why don't you go back and read ZetaTalk a little more thoroughly and come back when you're more familiar with it?
[07:38] <prichard> I have read it, and it is very general.  As far as the US government, it does not say that it will disappear, it will become more localized.  Yes, I have read the material there.  Don't patronize
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[07:39] <QueenVee> you clearly have not; please come back later
[07:39] <QueenVee> hello Douch
[07:39] <Douch3> ello :)
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[07:40] <prichard> Why do u kick people out?
[07:40] <QueenVee> prichard: if and when you have been here for a while you'll understand how and why i run this channel
[07:41] <prichard> Now might be a good time.  You can't talk if there's nobody to talk to
[07:41] <QueenVee> well, i dont have a reason for kicking people generally, just specifically
[07:41] <prichard> What does that mean? The last person didn't even say anthing
[07:42] <QueenVee> Douch is someone who just wants to debunk ZetaTalk, and therefore isn't welcome here. that's not the purpose of this channel.
[07:42] <QueenVee> you are unaware of Douch's history in this channel; others here are
[07:42] <prichard> So are you a Zeta alien
[07:43] <QueenVee> as clearly laid out in the notice that greets you when you enter this room, this channel is restricted to a very specific parameter of discussion:
[07:43] <QueenVee>  Topic is 'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[07:43] <QueenVee> there are other channels should you desire a different parameter of discussion:
[07:43] <QueenVee> #earthchanges is one
[07:43] <QueenVee> #troubled_times is another
[07:44] <QueenVee> prichard: no, i am not a zeta alien
[07:44] <prichard> I am familiar with all of them.  I am also familiar with all of the information on Zeta talk.  That is why I came to this channel.
[07:44] <prichard> What specifially should abe discussed here?  WHy don't u bring up a topic?
[07:45] <QueenVee> prichard: well, if you look back over the conversation, i quite strenuously tried to steer the conversation in a different direction, but you and Pace were not very interested....
[07:46] <QueenVee> if and when you are around here a while, you'll know that i do a great deal to initiate conversation and discussion here
[07:46] <QueenVee> so what have you done so far to prepare for the poleshift?
[07:47] <prichard> WHat direction would u like to go in?  Start up some conversation.  For instance, tell me a little more about the Reptillians?  Where do you think they came from?  I have moved to a safe location, and am doing some small food storage.  you?
[07:47] <QueenVee> i just did: so what have you done so far to prepare for the poleshift?
[07:48] <QueenVee> i'm not interested in the Reptillians -- they have nothing to do with preparation for the poleshift and aftertime
[07:48] <prichard> Repeat, Some limited food storage, and have moved to a safe location
[07:48] <QueenVee> how long have you been at your safe location, and when did you move there?
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[07:49] <QueenVee> you're brand new on this channel. you have to realize that people are going to want to get to know you before launching into an indepth discussion with you
[07:49] <QueenVee> hello obany
[07:49] <obany> hi
[07:49] <QueenVee> obany: this is prichard -- he's located in upstate new york
[07:49] <prichard> I understand your answer about the Reptilians, but they could have been used to interest PACE, since this could be used to answer some of his quesitons/
[07:49] <QueenVee> obany is Gerard Zwann of Troubled Times; he's in the Netherlands and knows more than anyone here about zetatalk
[07:49] <prichard> I have been at my safe location for over one year now.  You?
[07:49] <QueenVee> Prichard: i didn't see Pace ask any questions
[07:50] <QueenVee> i just saw him making declarations about what he "knows" about the government
[07:50] <obany> hi prichard
[07:50] <QueenVee> same here, about a year
[07:50] <prichard> Hi Obany
[07:50] <QueenVee> prichard: also, we're not here to draw people in or capture their interest; this is a channel for those who have already become interested and familiar with the issue on their own and want to talk to like-minded people
[07:51] <QueenVee> anything new, Obany?
[07:51] <QueenVee> Holy cow, it's 44c in Australia!
[07:52] <QueenVee> i read something yesterday about the temperature in North Carolina being only 5 degrees higher than the current temperature in Alaska
[07:52] <QueenVee> how whacked is that?
[07:52] <obany> QueenVee: not much ...
[07:52] <prichard> Hi Obany.  I like the Trouble Times newsletter too?  I wish the chatroom was a little more organized.  Seems like one or two people dominate most of the conversation.
[07:53] <QueenVee> Obany: looks like Troubled-Times Watch has become Yaaada Watch these days....
[07:54] <prichard> Yeah, I agree. Yadda, Yaadaaa, etac.
[07:54] <QueenVee> oh, looks like Hawaii is starting to heat up, a 4.5 quake there yesterday....
[07:55] <prichard> There are quakes everywhere.  What to look for is uprising land, and land that is sinking.  This is firm evidence and precurser of a pole shift
[07:55] <prichard> Bulging land mass at the equator is also a real sign of a possible pole shift
[07:56] <QueenVee> for sure
[07:56] <QueenVee> australia is really getting beat up; while one part has raging fires and sweltering heat, another is flooded....
[07:57] <prichard> The wight of ice at the poles has already reached critical mass, and the warming temperatures are now allowing it so slide.  This combo is not good
[07:58] <QueenVee> no, in so many ways we are sitting on the edge of a precipice. whether the poleshift happens or not, something's gotta give....
[07:58] <prichard> In the Northeastern part of the US, we have been under an extreme cold snap from Siberia.  Believe it or not, we have warmed to the twneties (farenheit) due to a POLAR air mass that is much warmer.  
[07:59] <QueenVee> yeah, i think that's gonna hit us now...
[07:59] <QueenVee> i'm in southwestern ontario
[07:59] <QueenVee> our winters have been extremely moderate for the last few years
[07:59] <QueenVee> but the last week we have had very cold temperatures
[07:59] <prichard> The pole shift will occur.  It has been predicted fore generations, and evidence is definitley mounting for the shift.  QUeen, I don't believe Ontario is a safe location.  Why doid u move there?
[08:00] <QueenVee> ZetaTalk indicates my area is relatively safe....
[08:00] <QueenVee> northern Ontario will be flooded, but southern Ontario is relatively safe, depending on the area
[08:00] <QueenVee> what makes you think the whole of ontario is not safe?
[08:01] <QueenVee> (and when i say "safe", it's with the understanding that no area is really "safe", just less dangerous than others)
[08:01] <prichard> Really?  According to ZetaTalk, it was stated that Gordon Michael Scallion was a true prophet.  He has come up with a map of the world with safe areas on it.  THe western part of Ontario is not is not one of the safe ares.
[08:01] * QueenVee sighs
[08:01] <QueenVee> no, ZT clearl states that Scallion's map is not realiable
[08:02] <prichard> Why the sigh?
[08:02] <QueenVee> and if you study it against the ZT Safe Locations document, you will see that they are vastly different from each other
[08:02] <prichard> I guess I didn't read that then
[08:02] <QueenVee> i sigh because people are always assuming that the Scallion map agrees with zetatalk, and it does not
[08:03] <prichard> I found the Zetaaa map very difficult to read, and too general.  Probably should be updated
[08:03] <QueenVee> and obviously, i consider ZT to be a more accuarate source of information
[08:03] <QueenVee> There is no Zeta map
[08:03] <QueenVee> only a Safe Locations document
[08:04] <QueenVee> there's a very rough "map" that someone in Troubled Times put together, but it too does not reflect the Safe Locations document
[08:04] <prichard> I saw a map on the website with what the world should look like after the sift.  See if you can find out where Ontario islocated by looking at the map.  It is there
[08:04] <QueenVee> several people are in the process of trying to put together an accurate one now
[08:04] <QueenVee> until that happens, we advise everyone to go by the Safe Locations document
[08:05] <QueenVee> pretty straightforward
[08:05] <QueenVee> also, one should not just rely on a picture....
[08:05] <prichard> My location is safe on both documents.  So I am somehwat satsified.  ALso intuition told me where to go
[08:05] <QueenVee> ZetaTalk is chock full of general guidelines on how to figure out for yourself if a given area is safe
[08:06] <prichard> General indeed.  Safety is a matter of perspective
[08:06] <QueenVee> e.g. distance from ocean or inland lake, susceptibility to tidal bore, elevation, likelihood of mountain building, fault lines, etc
[08:07] <prichard> Also cities, dams, etac.  I think cities are the most important to stay away from
[08:07] <QueenVee> also, not everyone has the resources to relocate to the very safest areas -- if i did, i would head to the Edmonton Alberta area -- and therefore can only prepare as best they can according to the resources they have
[08:07] <prichard> Most of Canada according to my recollections is full of seismic activity except for the central part.
[08:08] <QueenVee> well, ZT indicates that there will be very few areas that will not be seismically active during the poleshift
[08:08] <prichard> Edmonton makes more sense, but so be it.  Just stay away from the city
[08:09] <QueenVee> yes, i moved away from Toronto back to the area that i grew up in, London Ontario, and will be on my cousin's farm in the country at the time of the shift; 1500 ft elevation, 75 miles inland from the Great Lakes
[08:09] <prichard> Sound like a good choice.
[08:10] <QueenVee> well, like you, some of it was untuitively arrived at....
[08:10] <QueenVee> experienced a series of vivid dreams as a child of surviving a catastrophe with this cousin of mine
[08:11] <prichard> Great Lakes shouldn't be that much of a problem according to ZetaTalk.  Intuition is important.  I know of one other person that is living in an area I wouldn't even consider, but intuition has led her there.  She sees the destruction of the area, but an Island around her part.  
[08:11] <QueenVee> for most of our lives we were separated by a country, saw very little of each other; her on the west coast, me in toronto; unbeknownst to each other, circumstances caused us both to move back to our hometown area around the same time....
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[08:11] <QueenVee> prichard: yes, the important thing is to distinguish intution from denial, i have seen both
[08:12] <prichard> Sounds good, and family is involved.  I am not tellinganybody around me of the shift yet.  Just my boys and I have prepared.
[08:12] <QueenVee> yes, well, ZT advice is good in that regard, stick to the people closest to you
[08:13] <QueenVee> i began with my cousin and i, and my mother has since come on board, last week my cousin's ex-husband in BC contacted her out of the blue asking if she knew about PX and whether he could come out to her place at the time of the shift....
[08:13] <prichard> I actually am happy that the public does not know about this shift.  This disinformation means that prices for food, and other services remain affordable.  If people knew now, prices would skyricket, people would quite their jobs, and shelves of all goos would disappear.  We would all starve before the palanet even arrivew
[08:13] <QueenVee> i suspect my brother and my cousin's father will eventually join us as well
[08:14] <prichard> I am not sure about my extended family.  I have mentioned the shift, but they certainly don'twantto belive.
[08:15] <QueenVee> well, since so few are meant to survive, there would certainly be no point in creating panic and alarm beforehand
[08:15] <prichard> Agreed.  THat is why I believe that the Disinfo crew really isn't  all that bad.  The best thing is to know what they know, and prepare accordingly
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[08:16] <QueenVee> i broached the subject very gently and gradually to my mother, telling her what she would start to see happening, and she has gradually been taking it seriously; the key thing has been to not act as though i have completely convinced myself, to keep it all theoretical, and to not tell her just how bad it's gonna be...
[08:16] <LeXar> Sorry to have departed without any warnings last night everyone
[08:16] <QueenVee> hey LeXar: meet Prichard, he's in upstate New York
[08:16] <QueenVee> Lexar is in Quebec
[08:16] <prichard> Hello
[08:16] <QueenVee> LeXar: we were very hurt
[08:17] <LeXar> hey buddy, your leaving were I was never suppose to leave :)
[08:17] <QueenVee> CORRECTION: the key thing has been to not act as though i am completely convinced myself,
[08:17] <prichard> Believe it or not, I actually believe that the areaw I live in won't be drasticlly effected according to my visions.  Life here will go on almost as normal, and the community will survive well.
[08:17] <QueenVee> that's probably the case
[08:18] <LeXar> I'm sorry QueenVee, My mother and her boyfriend had some issues to settle and I felt the need to flee their conversation as fast as I could, so that's why I left in a hurry
[08:18] <LeXar> living..
[08:18] <QueenVee> Lexar: is was kidding
[08:18] <QueenVee> i was kidding
[08:18] <QueenVee> can't type today
[08:18] <LeXar> though so
[08:18] <LeXar> Ifound a great map of Quebec's highlands
[08:19] <LeXar> now I can pinpoint the exact area were we'll be
[08:19] <obany> sigh http://groups.google.com/groups?q=zetatalk&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=3E3314AE.7060407%40nospam.com&rnum=9
[08:19] <LeXar> but it's still too close for comfort to the St. Lawrence River
[08:20] <prichard> Sorry Lexar.  After during the shift, land will be moving all over the place.  Your map will be useless.. Land will rise and fall, and the compass will  change.  You won't know even how to stand up becuase you won't know where up is!
[08:20] <QueenVee> i go by the dreams that my cousin and i both had as children -- of being in water up to our calves, and then watching it recede (my dreams); of running through a cornfield trying to flag down a helicopter (my cousin's dreams); of being afraid of dying, then realizing we were ok (both our dreams)....
[08:21] <prichard> I had the same dream about my former place of life in COnnecticut.  That is why I moved.  I saw the ocean come in and ruin the land.  I saw the land sink
[08:26] <QueenVee> obany: nice job of quoting people out of context, eh?
[08:26] <LeXar> prichard, Im well aware of that... I'm saying the place thatI wish to relocate too is still close to water, but excesively high, which is good
[08:26] <prichard> Hopefully it remains high.  WHat may be high today may be very low tommorrown
[08:26] <QueenVee> yes, the maps are still useful for determining what is a relatively self area in conjunction with the guidelines given by zetatalk
[08:26] <obany> QueenVee: yes.... and he didn't even included what i said ... later on
[08:26] <LeXar> yeah, guess we'll have to wait and see now
[08:26] <QueenVee> it all rests somewhere between a calculated risk and a crapshoot
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[08:26] <prichard> Same here.  Lots of Europe to go under water, but many high peaks athere as well
[08:26] <QueenVee> hello Cruithne -- what brings you to this room?
[08:26] <QueenVee> Prichard: i know recall that you used to come to this room a long time ago; in fact, you're on my mailing list
[08:26] <Cruithne> learning
[08:26] <QueenVee> cruithne: how long have you been aware of zetatalk and the coming poleshift?
[08:26] <prichard> yes.  i had atrouble conneting.  Must have been them damn Reptilians again
[08:26] <QueenVee> hehe
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[08:27] <Cruithne> why you say maine is not good idea
[08:27] <QueenVee> well, some parts of canada
[08:27] <obany> here what i said in repsonse on thereisnopx
[08:27] <obany> <obany> for what i notice from your nick you just consider this well a load of crap, and that's why you asking this questions ... so that you could use it againt zetatalk and Nancy
[08:27] <QueenVee> Cruithne will have to move to the nearest safe area that his resources allow
[08:27] <prichard> I don't agree that most of canada is safe.  
[08:27] <QueenVee> Prichard: no, you're right, it's not
[08:28] <prichard> Who is Obany talking to?
[08:28] <QueenVee> but it has more safe areas than the US does...
[08:28] <QueenVee> Prichard: oh, he posted that for me, it's something he posted to someone else
[08:28] <prichard> I agree that it has more safe areas than US due to size and the fact that it will not be split apart as much.
[08:29] <Cruithne>  prichard; why you say maine is not good you know something i don't
[08:29] <QueenVee> though, obviously, it's not a competition   ;-)
[08:29] <obany> prichard: i was quoting ... from a log
[08:29] <prichard> Maine will be under water.  SImple as that.  Simple geography,
[08:31] <prichard> Your other choices of Wiscnsin or Canada are better
[08:32] <QueenVee> Cruithne: you need to look at the NEW ENGLAND section of the ZT SAFE LOCATIONS document for info about Maine: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx049.htm
[08:32] <prichard> I agree
[08:33] <obany> http://hoovnews.hoovers.com/fp.asp?layout=displaynews&doc_id=NR20030126670.4_200d0002879f6772
[08:34] <prichard> Would u mind telling us why u r posting the link Obany?  Maybe tell us what its for?
[08:35] <Cruithne> yes i remember reading that url it sounds safe to me as i don't plan to be on coast if i went there but near van buren area
[08:35] <QueenVee> Prichard: we routinely provide info here about extreme weather news
[08:35] <obany> news prichard
[08:35] <QueenVee> Prichard: you'll get used to the shorthand
[08:35] <QueenVee> if obany posts a link you can be sure it's relevant
[08:35] <prichard> Oh.  Pehaps the pertinent headline might be of asistance.
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[08:38] <prichard> I think we need to ask the Zetas about another concern of mine.  Is it OK to watch the approach of Planet X?  ANcient prophecies sem to indicate that we should be in hiding for 3 days, and dare not look upon the spectacle.  Does this mean some radiation might get thru because our ionispher has been breached?
[08:38] <prichard> Thoughts?
[08:38] <Cruithne> i'd image that the other side of the st lawerence seaway in canada will experince much of what new england area will if st lawerence rips
[08:38] <prichard> Saint Lawrence seaway will relive prseeure from the great lakes.  WIll split US wide open
[08:39] <LeXar> your talking about Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and so on Cruithne?
[08:39] <QueenVee> Prichard: there has been absolutely nothing in ZT to suggest that it is not safe to watch PX
[08:39] <Cruithne> & new england bordering the seaway
[08:39] <QueenVee> in fact, they encourage us to be looking at it and watching for it
[08:40] <Cruithne> watching for what
[08:40] <LeXar> heck I could walk for half an hour and be right next to the St. Lawrence river
[08:40] <prichard> Good.  I intend to watch.  Should be quite a spiritual wxperience as well
[08:40] <QueenVee> Prichard: can you talk about what ancient prophecies you're referring to? i've never heard anything like that before
[08:40] <prichard> Many.  Nostradamus, Mother Shipton, Hopis, etc.
[08:40] <LeXar> same here
[08:41] <QueenVee> well, i've read all of those sources and don't recall anything like that -- unless you are interpreting a phrase like "a red cross in the sky terrible to look at" as a warning you should not look at it....
[08:42] <prichard> Nostradamus says that me nwho watch the approach of this planet (He calls it a star) will go insane if they are not hid in darkenss for 3 days,
[08:42] <QueenVee> well, Nostradamus is the least compelling out of those you listed above
[08:42] <prichard> Agreed.
[08:42] <LeXar> why'd you name him then?
[08:43] <prichard> Becausse u asked.
[08:43] <QueenVee> Prichard: you might want to read what ZT says about Nostradamus: http://www.zetatalk.com/myths/m03.htm
[08:43] <QueenVee> however, ZT has only good things to say about the Mother Shipton and Hopi prophecies
[08:43] <prichard> Already reade it.  Wanted to see if u did
[08:44] <prichard> Mother shiption is very accurate.  Read her prophecies, and u will read the same thing about being hid for 3 days
[08:44] <Cruithne> edgar cayce said that mississipi will be 100 miles wide
[08:45] <QueenVee> Prichard: does she say you SHOULD hide, or that people WILL hide?
[08:45] <prichard> I happen to agree with Zetat about Nostradamus.  Even if he was a true prohet, he becomes false since his prophecies don't benefit mankind since they aren't understood.
[08:45] <QueenVee> Cruithne: yes, ZT also gives a lot of credence to Cayce
[08:45] <prichard> Mother shipton says that you should remain hidden.
[08:45] <Cruithne> oh
[08:46] <obany> pricard: the darkness won't remain for 3 days
[08:46] <QueenVee> well, whatever "true prophet" means... one can be a legitimate seer, psychic, channeller, translater, whatever, but still be fallible and wrong on some things....
[08:46] <Cruithne> who is shipton
[08:46] <prichard> Actually Cruithne, Zeta does not give credence to Cayce.  I even personally asked Nancy to answer this question, and she said that he was not a validd prohet.  I don't know if she was answering out of her ego, or from Zetat
[08:46] <QueenVee> Prichard: WHAT????
[08:47] <prichard> I am serious.  I asked Nancy this question personally
[08:47] <QueenVee> here is what ZT says about Cayce: http://www.zetatalk.com/call/c38.htm
[08:47] <Cruithne> if i go my track record then i'd say he's credible
[08:47] <QueenVee> Prichard: well, you clearly misunderstood her, because that is not reflected in ZT
[08:47] <QueenVee> kindly provide a quote
[08:48] <Cruithne> he spoke of the essene who there was no records of till they found the dead sea scrolls years later that's incredible
[08:49] <prichard> Perhaps Queen V.  I now see that she validates him.  I must tell u though that I emailed her thru her website asking the same question about 6 months ago, and she told me that tyhe only info that could be trusted was from Zeta. Probably speaking from ego
[08:49] <QueenVee> Cruithne: please read what zetatalk says about Cayce and ignore what Prichard is saying: http://www.zetatalk.com/call/c38.htm
[08:49] <QueenVee> Prichard: give me a break
[08:50] <Cruithne> i think track record is the way to decide nancy says that too
[08:50] <prichard> I might be able to actually give you a copy of the email Queen.  However, it is not something to argue about.  The reference that u gave us now is good enough for the Zeta position.  end of matter
[08:50] <QueenVee> we don't look well on "i heard that", "i read the zetas said that", and "Nancy told me privately that" here -- stick to ZetaTalk, and provide quotes
[08:51] <prichard> Nancy does answer emails sent to her sometimes.  I have received replies from all of them.  I asked about Cayce, Solloq, and Paraclesus
[08:51] <obany> QueenVee: floods and torriential rain in nth Queensland http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,5893586%255E1702,00.html
[08:51] <prichard> I am happy to see that Zetas validate Cayce.  His pole shift information becomes very valuable
[08:52] <obany> well sollog ain't for real that is also in ZT
[08:52] <QueenVee> Prichard: yes, we've all corresponded with Nancy; unless you can provide a copy of your email from her so that we can ask her about it, anything you claim that she said in contradiction to zetatalk must be presumed to have been either misunderstood or made up
[08:52] <QueenVee> yeah, saw that obany
[08:53] <prichard> I agree.  According to Nancy, after my question she said that she was going to answer this in Zeta talk.  I'm glad that Solloq isn't for real because he seems to be one perverted buy
[08:54] <obany> prichard: http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a121.htm
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[08:54] <prichard> QueenVee.  Drop the Cayce thing.  It's already been resolved.  Nancy sometimes says things personally that don't come from Zeta. She and athe Zetas acknowlege this.  THe last Zeta aconversation said that they allowe Nancy to speak from her ego and say things about comets that weren't true.  
[08:54] <QueenVee> obany: on TT-watch Jan says he's put yaaada "on moderation" again -- does that mean he's banned, or what?
[08:54] <Cruithne> earth changes seem to be the thing that will signal the pole shift at handfrom what i read
[08:55] <obany> QueenVee: that well only emails that are of value will be granted, wich probably won't happen moderation is different then a ban
[08:55] <QueenVee> yes, she does. but don't claim she has said something if you can't back it up. period.
[08:56] <QueenVee> hi tied
[08:56] <prichard> OK.  But what I tell u is the truth.  I also achknowledge that the official Zeta stance is that Cayce is a validated prophet.  I am happy about that
[08:56] <QueenVee> i see it is the evil twin tied today
[08:56] <Cruithne> the world scinetist say global warming is due to green house gases but nancy says it earth heating up inside
[08:56] <QueenVee> Prichard: i've no doubt that that is how you remember it; but i highly doubt she said it
[08:57] <prichard> Let's drop it
[08:57] <QueenVee> Cruithne: yes, it's due to the approach of PlanetX....
[08:57] <Cruithne> does she say green house gase contributes too
[08:58] <prichard> I agree that the earth must be heating up inside, and that this is causing global warming.  Warmer temeperatures would not gravitate towards the poles, especially if there is a bulge forming at the euqtor.  Gravidy will draw it there
[08:59] <Cruithne> is supplies the main survival equipment
[09:00] * obany brb
[09:01] <prichard> From what I understand, supplies will get u thru the short run, but try to find foods that will grow in a damp, less litworld.  Perhaps Carrots,peas, lettuce, etc.  Also, have an area that keeps you somehwat undergoround safe form falling debris from the planet
[09:02] <prichard> I think that grwoing foods that live underground is a good idea.  THis will help protect from other animals that are also going to be foraging for food.
[09:03] <QueenVee> cruithne: thoroughly read the preparation instructions in the POLESHIFT section of zetatalk. you will be facing two completely separate challenges: (1) surviving the poleshift itself (the easy part), and (2) surviving the aftertime (the hard part)....
[09:03] <QueenVee> to survive the poleshift you simply need a trench in the ground with a secure metal lid, far from anything that can fall on you....
[09:04] <QueenVee> to survive the aftertime, your priorities must be, in this order: DRINKABLE WATER; FOOD; SHELTER; CLOTHING
[09:04] <QueenVee> under the topic of FOOD, you have have enough stored food to last you for at least a couple of years, since it will be difficult to get crops started during that time....
[09:05] <QueenVee> you must also have all the necessary supplies to start growing low-light crops as soon as you are able to.... for the long term....
[09:05] <QueenVee> Prichard: you clearly haven't spent much time gardening; animals can quite easily dig up food growing underground....
[09:06] <QueenVee> and do....
[09:06] <QueenVee> (think of rabbits and carrots)
[09:07] <prichard> Yes queen v.  I do quite a bit of gardening.  Rabbits will make good food.  If they eat my carrots, they can be caught.  Also remember that the human body can survive almost 3 weeks on no food whatsover.  Water must be otbtained withing 3 days
[09:07] <QueenVee> prichard: yes, that's why i put water ahead of food in the priority list
[09:07] <QueenVee> that's why i put water as the number one priority
[09:08] <prichard> I still say that underground food is not a bad idea.  These can even be grown under a metal netting if neccessary.
[09:09] <LeXar> Water will be present, put not purified...
[09:09] <QueenVee> Cruinthe: you should definitely try to plan for some kind of source of energy for the aftertime, but shuld not DEPEND ON IT actually working; therefore it should be seen as an "extra" ....
[09:09] <LeXar> but
[09:09] <LeXar> my typing is awful today<
[09:10] <QueenVee> Cruinthe: solar power is out, because there will not be enough sun; wind power is a possibility, but expensive to build and would draw attention to yourself if you are trying to maintain a low profile....
[09:10] <QueenVee> water power will be best, you can actually get lightweight portable water generators....
[09:10] <prichard> A possible good energy source might be a limited supply of propane cooking tanks with a small camping stove.  These work great, and on't consume lots of energy.
[09:10] <QueenVee> bicycle generators and the like will only be good in the short term
[09:10] <LeXar> you've got a website I could check those out QV?
[09:11] <QueenVee> Prichard: ZT strongly advises against trying to store any kind of fuel like gas or propane for the aftertime, as it will be extremely flammable and dangerous during the poleshift -- and will not likely survive intact anyway
[09:11] <QueenVee> Lexar: hold on.....
[09:12] <QueenVee> Lexar: go to this page for the energy-related POLESHIFT LINKS on my site: http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&cid=34
[09:12] <prichard> Unfortunately, wood will be quite wet.  Queen, I am talking about the pint sized tanks used for camping.  There would be no reason why these wouldn't be safe if they are kept oputside, and then used after the shift.  They are extremelystable and well built.
[09:13] <QueenVee> prichard: i'm only telling you what ZT says; and they have said it twice after those disbelieving it asked for the subject to be clarified
[09:14] <QueenVee> at any rate, if you do try and store them, don't have them anywhere near people or animals during the shift itself....
[09:14] <QueenVee> and do not depend on having the fuel after the shift, make sure you have a back-up plan
[09:15] <LeXar> alright I'm checking it out now
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[09:17] <QueenVee> mmm the EMSC earthquake site has been down for a couple of days....
[09:19] <obany> mmm
[09:20] <QueenVee> they announced it before hand....
[09:20] <QueenVee> guess they went on vacation
[09:20] <QueenVee> hehe
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[09:40] <Cruithne> pole shift article; http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/
[09:41] <QueenVee> Cruithne: that is discussing a theoretical shift of the magnetic poles, not the physical poleshift that ZT is predicting
[09:44] <Cruithne> from what i read it magnetic & crustal
[09:45] <QueenVee> nope
[09:45] <QueenVee> can you quote the part that is about a physical poleshift?
[09:45] <obany> only magnectic .... for what i read on that site of his
[09:45] * obany brb
[09:46] <QueenVee> cruithne: Strieber doesn't believe that a physical poleshift is going to happen
[09:49] <Cruithne> oh wow then he's not thinking clear
[09:49] <QueenVee> well, he has his own theory about the weather changes, in his book SUPERSTORM...
[09:50] <QueenVee> he obviously knows something is about to happen, but i think he is blocking full knowledge of it....
[09:50] <QueenVee> just my theory
[09:50] <Cruithne> i would think u can't have a magnetic shift without a crustal shift
[09:50] <QueenVee> actually, ZT says that the human theory of magnetic shifts is not valid....
[09:51] <QueenVee> hold on and i'll get you a link....
[09:51] <QueenVee> there ya go: http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s27.htm
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[09:52] <QueenVee> hello creaton
[09:53] <Cruithne> wow that expalined alot to me
[09:53] <Cruithne> which makes sense
[09:53] <Cruithne> it's the point of view
[09:53] <creaton> hello
[09:54] <QueenVee> :-)
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[10:26] <islander> good day everyone
[10:27] <QueenVee> hiya islander
[10:27] <islander> hows it going today?
[10:27] <QueenVee> i'm just in the process of posting some interesting stuff on the website
[10:27] <QueenVee> it's going
[10:27] <QueenVee> we've had a big snowfall here, it's pretty as a postcard
[10:27] <QueenVee> (as my grandmother used to say)
[10:28] <QueenVee> i'm going to take the hound out soon to frolick in the snow
[10:28] <islander> thats something I miss...intil I remember shovelling, I've been in the shop doing prep stuff
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[10:28] <islander> until
[10:29] <QueenVee> ha
[10:29] <islander> good morning hum
[10:29] <QueenVee> well, i'm living in an apartment building right now so don't have to worry about that
[10:29] <QueenVee> hey hum
[10:29] <humvee> good morning QV
[10:29] <QueenVee> heard you got a mile earthquake there on the big island yesterday
[10:30] <humvee> our god Pele is starting to wake up yes
[10:30] <islander> who ya goin to sacrifice?
[10:30] <islander> :)
[10:30] <humvee> still looking for a single virgin - lo
[10:30] <QueenVee> good luck
[10:31] <humvee> ty :-)
[10:31] <humvee> fun looking - i must admit
[10:32] <islander> and how do you approach that?
[10:32] <QueenVee> lol
[10:32] <humvee> diplomatically wen parents r arround
[10:32] <QueenVee> yeah, seems like you'd kinda lose your virgin in the testing process
[10:32] <islander> Question: Are you suitable for sacrifice?, must be one heck of a pickup line
[10:33] <islander> :)
[10:33] <humvee> if the wind is rite they blow back up anyway fr lookout cliff above volcano
[10:34] <islander> ahhhhh...temporary sacrifice, good concept
[10:34] <humvee> if not oh well - what can we parishoners do
[10:35] <islander> how was the session yesterday?
[10:35] <islander> aside from what is in the logs?
[10:36] <humvee> lots o banter  score was  Drones = 1  Bunkers = 0
[10:37] <islander> only 2 teams playing?
[10:37] <islander> must be the finals were coming to
[10:37] <islander> :)
[10:37] <humvee> hecklers were 2 dis-organized to mount a team
[10:38] <islander> to musch ego and self interest I suspect
[10:38] <humvee> next week wen px pic of guy waving back shud do it
[10:38] <islander> musch-much
[10:38] <QueenVee> lol
[10:38] <humvee> :-)
[10:39] <QueenVee> yes, quite the pathetic display, i thought
[10:39] <QueenVee> that yaaada guy got hammered pretty good over in TT-watch
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[10:39] <islander> it will probably get polarized more to the point that the sessions become endless arguments if the DB's get their way
[10:40] <humvee> some o the debunks seem 2 be inguaged because they r wondering re px half way
[10:40] <QueenVee> wb Pace
[10:40] <humvee> moderator kicked 1 or 2 so was not THAT bad
[10:41] <Pace> lo
[10:41] <QueenVee> humvee: no, par for the course, i guess
[10:42] <islander> humvee: How are the night skies there? clear enough for viewing?
[10:42] <QueenVee> it really is reached a screeching, hysterical pitch, isn't it?
[10:42] <humvee> we took turns reading the zt 2 the room of ppl here was nice
[10:42] <humvee> yes storm past now
[10:42] <QueenVee> ALL: I have just posted some interested new items on my website: www.shift2003.com
[10:42] <QueenVee> Humvee & Islander: Meet Pace, he is in the UK
[10:43] <QueenVee> Humvee is in Hawaii and Islander is on Vancouver Island
[10:43] <islander> hi Pace
[10:43] <Pace> hello
[10:43] <humvee> hi there Pace sow is the plang going there
[10:43] <humvee> how
[10:43] <humvee> planning?
[10:44] <Pace> no not atm, im researching
[10:44] <Pace> check this out
[10:44] <humvee> yes it does take a bit of that allrite
[10:44] <QueenVee> you're not preparing yet?
[10:44] <Pace> http://www.davidicke.com/icke/visitor.html
[10:45] <QueenVee> Pace: have you read what ZT says about David Icke?
[10:45] <Pace> proberly
[10:45] <Pace> why what does it say
[10:45] <QueenVee> Icke's information is not reliable
[10:46] <Pace> y's that
[10:46] <Pace> because it conflicts with the view of the zetas?
[10:47] <QueenVee> Pace: here, read it yourself: http://www.zetatalk.com/awaken/a108.htm
[10:47] <Pace> k one sec
[10:48] <QueenVee> Pace: please get this through your head once and for all: this is a chatroom for those who take the ZetaTalk material seriously, not for those who want to dispute it with other material. please go to #earthchanges if you want to do that
[10:48] <QueenVee> you will find others there interested in what you have to say
[10:48] <QueenVee> also #troubled_times
[10:48] <Pace> u read this too, its an ex illuminati member talking about the programming they go through. btw if you dont know the illuminati are the people in and above our governments
[10:48] <Pace> ill read that info you put up
[10:48] <QueenVee> Pace: i'm not interested in Icke's material
[10:48] <Pace> u just have a look at mine too
[10:49] <Pace> http://www.geocities.com/lord_visionary/svali_index.htm
[10:49] <QueenVee> not interested
[10:49] <Pace> its not
[10:49] <QueenVee> okay, Pace, i've given you two chances now. please go and don't come back.
[10:50] <Pace> well wether you are or it not issues it involved have no doubt affected you somewhere along your life so its worth looking at
[10:50] <QueenVee> bye Pace
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[10:50] <QueenVee> hi Frank
[10:50] <Frank> hey queen
[10:50] <islander> hi Frank
[10:50] <Frank> hey islander
[10:50] <QueenVee> new material on my website if you're interested, also logs from yesterdays sessions: www.shift2003.com
[10:51] <Frank> I will check it out
[10:51] <Frank> brb
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[10:51] <QueenVee> gee, he didn't have to leave
[10:51] <islander> not used to multiple windows
[10:52] <QueenVee> yeah, what's up with that?
[10:53] <islander> Conversancy level of most people on a computer
[10:53] <islander> A few years ago when I was involved in heavy negotiations, we were reminded of what we take for granted
[10:54] <islander> The managers assumed that everbody could read and understand their memos
[10:54] <QueenVee> i've usually got at least 8 windows open at any one time, mutli-tasking
[10:54] <islander> Until we asked the most basic of questions
[10:54] <islander> How many can't read
[10:54] <QueenVee> ah, asking basic questions -- always throws a monkey in the wrench
[10:55] <islander> 5 out of 300 had absolutelyy no literacy skill other than signing their name
[10:55] <QueenVee> wow, there you go
[10:55] <QueenVee> and of course, they won't ask for clarification because they don't want to expose themselves
[10:55] <islander> we also assume... I've learned that thats when the problems start
[10:56] <QueenVee> so they have to pretend to understand
[10:56] <islander> exactly
[10:56] <QueenVee> yes, i tend to forget that most people don't like to ask questions because they think it makes them look stupid
[10:57] <islander> so if that was happening there, how many people elsewhere in say, somewhere like North America are in the same position
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[10:57] <islander> How many thousand can't read ZT or even access the net if they had the opportunity
[10:57] <QueenVee> when i used to have staff, i always gave explanations, then asked them a series of questions to see if they understood them
[10:58] <islander> good reason to physically talk to people
[10:58] <QueenVee> that should be standard procedure
[10:58] <islander> the other challenge we may have is hearing
[10:59] <islander> especially considering the shift
[10:59] <QueenVee> mmm, but how does one differentiate between those who may genuinely have a reading ability problem and those who are just lazy....
[10:59] <islander> those that are genuine will still be participating, lazy will leave if not on the platter
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[11:00] <QueenVee> a lot of my impatience with people is due to the fact that i only have so time to expend on this, while still earning a living and living my life, and therefore i don't want to waste it... ya know?
[11:01] <islander> very well... we have other lives?
[11:01] <islander> :)
[11:01] <QueenVee> islander: well, please feel free to privately message me if you think i'm mishandling someone....
[11:01] <islander> There is a hypocracy to this though
[11:01] <islander> I do
[11:01] <QueenVee> yes?
[11:01] <humvee> yes queen some here when ur away do the same thus deligating authority
[11:02] <QueenVee> ? i don't understand
[11:02] <humvee> all are wanting 2 help those coming in
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[11:02] <islander> In my field, in order to feed the family, I continue with the business
[11:02] <QueenVee> what are you referring to when you say "the same"?
[11:02] <islander> but
[11:02] <humvee> we ask the same bqsic questions  etc
[11:03] <humvee> try to help ppl come up 2 speed
[11:03] <QueenVee> ah, you mean follow my "procedure", so to speak
[11:03] <humvee> yes new ppl diff time zones come on
[11:03] <islander> we'll never be as good as you...
[11:03] <QueenVee> lol
[11:03] <QueenVee> well, whatever works...
[11:03] <islander> (big suckup)
[11:03] <islander> lol
[11:04] <humvee> this chat room is grounding as most r so isolated from others who r planning
[11:04] <QueenVee> yes, i think so....
[11:04] <QueenVee> and keeping the wrong energy out is important...
[11:04] <humvee> yes
[11:04] <islander> do you get the conflicts in your work, like preparing the plans for a building to be opened in June or
[11:04] <islander> ...on it goes
[11:05] <QueenVee> i think that's one of the primary characteristics of the STS-leaning individual -- they're energy vampires, sucking it up whereever they go....
[11:05] <QueenVee> gimme this, gimme that
[11:05] <humvee> ppl call me 4 work to sched after ps  -  i say will be off island then
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[11:06] <islander> I am just faced with so many STS clients
[11:06] <QueenVee> hello Kev -- what brings you to this room?
[11:06] <kEv|out> to get more information on the poleshift
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[11:07] <QueenVee> i just love it when you turn it back on them and say -- yeah, that's something that's really needed, would you like to contribute that to the cause -- and see how fast they either shut up or run away....
[11:07] <QueenVee> Kev: have you read the zetatalk site?
[11:07] <kEvin> most of it
[11:07] <QueenVee> how long have you been aware of zetatalk and the coming poleshift?
[11:07] <kEvin> though I haven't read all the states or locations
[11:07] <kEvin> persay
[11:07] <kEvin> well again I first heard about it
[11:08] <kEvin> about a year ago
[11:08] <kEvin> through the medium of the art bell show
[11:08] <QueenVee> whereabouts are you located?
[11:08] <kEvin> right now spokane washington
[11:08] <kEvin> but I am from san diego like scooby
[11:09] <QueenVee> do you live anywhere near the nuclear installations?
[11:09] <kEvin> spokane washington
[11:09] <kEvin> so right on the idaho border
[11:09] <kEvin> I don't know exactly why they are installed
[11:09] <kEvin> but it is definately a concern
[11:10] <QueenVee> i assume you've read ZT on your location, not a good place to be -- are you planning to relocate?
[11:10] <QueenVee> ZT on the Spokane area: http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo24f.htm
[11:11] <kEvin> well I have a friend in minnesota
[11:11] <kEvin> it is possible
[11:11] <QueenVee> ah, good
[11:12] <kEvin> where are you located?
[11:13] <islander> back to preps. catch you later
[11:13] <gerard> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm updated
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[11:19] <QueenVee> sorry, Kevin, had to step away
[11:19] <QueenVee> i'm in Southwestern Ontario
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[11:23] <humvee> keVin - my family is re-locating 2 MN also
[11:24] <Richard> morning from new zealand
[11:24] <humvee> hi Richard
[11:24] <Richard> hi humvee
[11:25] <humvee> kEvin we r looking @ a cabin in the woods by Guthrie north Minnesota
[11:25] <Richard> anyone here read the warnings to american citizens frim american govt?
[11:25] <humvee> link?
[11:25] <Richard> hold a mo
[11:27] <Richard> http://www.rense.com/general34/move.htm
[11:28] <Richard> american citizens ANYWHERE in world to be prepared
[11:29] <Richard> with stocks of food, prescription drugs, updated passport
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[11:31] <Richard> there's no war with iraq here in new zealand so why be prepared ANYWHERE in world?
[11:31] <Richard> so forget the iraq issue
[11:32] <Gerard> indeed Richard
[11:32] <Richard> hi Gerard
[11:32] <Gerard> it's me :)
[11:33] <Richard> is that o****?
[11:33] <Gerard> yes
[11:33] <Richard> :+)
[11:33] <Richard> the latest two Nancy/zeta sessions were good
[11:33] <Richard> read logs last night
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[11:37] <Gerard> they where yes
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[11:38] <kEvin> what brings you here advErsary?
[11:39] <advErsary> oh im just here for some poleshift discussion
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[11:42] <advErsary> alright, the general problem is that many people are using Sitchin’s work to predict the return of nibiru.  whether the predicted dates are just around the corner or whatever, the information currently available is not enough to use accurately.  despite that many people are chasing rabbit holes that are very deep and which have far reaching consequences for more than just those making the predictions.  
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[11:43] <Gerard> advErsary: please note : Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.
[11:43] <kEvin> adversary where are you located?
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[11:45] <kEvin> Hello Tonee my friend. Good to see you here again
[11:45] <Tonee> hello brother
[11:45] <Tonee> afk going over my daily checklist
[11:45] <humvee> AdvErsary - no other ppl have a viewing getting photos of the incoming Nibiru - LOL
[11:46] <Namor> hello fellow world blower uppers
[11:46] <advErsary> namor, as gerard has said, this chatroom is for those familiar with the poleshift
[11:46] <Namor> oh, then i am in the right place.
[11:47] <Ogmios> hi
[11:48] <humvee> advEr have u looked @ the images of the incoming planet Nibiru with it 32 or so moons looming brite in the Taurus sky?
[11:48] <Tonee> okcay back
[11:49] <Richard> at the speed these conversations are going no one will be prepared for anything let alone a pole shift
[11:49] <Richard> later all
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[11:49] <Namor> ok you guys too many fucking big words.
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[11:49] <advErsary> no, i havent
[11:50] <humvee> procrastinators type extremely s l o w . . . . .
[11:50] * ombudsman sets mode: +b namor!*@*
[11:50] <kEvin> tsu don't deny the impending signs
[11:50] <kEvin> er adversary
[11:50] <humvee> the lates couple of viewings show a solid shotgun blas coming from space this way
[11:51] <advErsary> we must remember that a lack of proof proves nothing.  the question is what do we perceive as proof?  the hasty perceptions of Enterprise Mission or the channelling used to substantiate the ZetaTalk predictions?
[11:51] <Tonee> regardless i'm safe
[11:51] <Tonee> the rest of you are fucked
[11:52] <Gerard> advErsary: leave this typoe of discussion out of the channel please : /join #earthchanges or #troubled_times
[11:52] <kEvin> yes adversary this is not the right place for such talk
[11:52] <humvee> there is no lack - the images keep showing up on predicted path increasing pixels each time with inc luninosity and more moons becoming visible look @ it we all are
[11:53] <humvee> we dont want 2 convince you this is what we are looking @
[11:53] <Tonee> can you please just type "to" and "at" ?
[11:54] <Tonee> seeing numbers and symbols hurts my head
[11:54] <humvee> try to do better i have fat fingers (look like java the hut - sorry)
[11:55] <Tonee> it's okay
[11:55] <humvee> np
[11:56] <kEvin> T0ny s0m3t1m3s y0u g3t b0th3r3d by th3 s1mpl3st th1ngs
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[12:00] <humvee> we r so bad made em goaway - lol
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[12:01] <karmie> hello - queenvee and everyone
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[12:01] <ombudsman> hello karmie
[12:01] <humvee> hello dEadEyE you look familliar
[12:07] <humvee> Look @ this image: http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/dell27.htm  does anybody have an opion on this image taken even tho there was a full moon making viewing harder ?
[12:12] <humvee> hi karmie
[12:15] <karmie> humvee  - I don't have a clue what I am looking at! - I must leave this type of thing to the experts.
[12:15] <ombudsman> it's hard to tell huh?
[12:16] <humvee> yes i kind of agree with u but as some of my family is undecided i streach
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[12:16] <humvee> i see consistent movement of dim px along a trach = zt pred
[12:16] <ombudsman> does and one else want a copy of "All about food and water" file?
[12:18] <humvee> then each time for the last 6 weeks we are siinig moons moving with px and becoming both brighter and more numerous
[12:18] <humvee> all in all that is pretty darned impressive
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[12:19] <humvee> all that is left is to be able to see it with out a time exposure in a couple of weeks
[12:19] <karmie> my lack of knowledge of planets, etc is so huge, guess I will have to wait until I can see it glowing down on me from a near.
[12:19] <humvee> i really want for my familly to come meet us before travel is interrupted
[12:20] <humvee> (not laughing this time)
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[12:20] <GalacticExplorer> Hello
[12:20] <GalacticExplorer> Hi Queen
[12:20] <karmie> hi - galactic
[12:20] <humvee> hi GE
[12:21] <humvee> did u c the px + planets picture GE?
[12:21] <GalacticExplorer> no, where
[12:21] <humvee> mo will post again
[12:22] <GalacticExplorer> Is there a link on zetatalk site?
[12:23] <humvee> http:/www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/dell27.htm
[12:24] <GalacticExplorer> Hmm getting closer
[12:25] <humvee> yes n moving alond coord + more moons getting briter
[12:26] <GalacticExplorer> Have to reboot be back later
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[12:27] <humvee> out tt work on yard cleanup - bbltr
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[12:27] <ombudsman> ever notice that Px is coming from the direction infront of the bow of Orion the hunter? I wonder if the Samarians invented him becasue the Ank. came from there and oppressed them which they didn't like so they invented Orion the hunter to shoot it as it passeso sho
[12:27] <ombudsman> passes by
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[12:30] <GalacticExplorer> I am back.
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[12:30] <GalacticExplorer> Do we know how many moons exactly does PX has
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[12:34] <from_Texas> Hello QV
[12:40] <Ogmios> maybe over 30
[12:41] <GalacticExplorer> over 30 moons interesting
[12:41] <GalacticExplorer> Do you think that Anunaki use them for something?
[12:42] <GalacticExplorer> or they , moons, just sit behind the planet all the time?
[12:43] <GalacticExplorer> My bet is that they drilled all possible minerals and metals from them already
[12:43] <Ogmios> need to ask from ZT..but is it important to know
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[12:43] <Ogmios> unless they are dangerous to earth
[12:45] <GalacticExplorer> No its not important to know, but more information about Planet X and epecially Anunaki is needed
[12:45] <GalacticExplorer> We know almost nothing about them
[12:46] <GalacticExplorer> All we know they are taller, heavier, live on PX, have better technology, enslaved us before, and that's about it
[12:47] <GalacticExplorer> Same about Zetas.
[12:48] <GalacticExplorer> We know a little more about them, but in my opinion everyone would like to know about life in space from an average zeta point of view
[12:50] <GalacticExplorer> Of course there are more important questions, but instead of having empty discussion during saturday session we can ask Zetas more about their lives
[12:50] <GalacticExplorer> Am I right?
[12:51] <ombudsman> GE I think your right
[12:51] <ombudsman> sencethey say the Earth is to be ther new home I don't think it's unreasonable to ask questions about them
[12:52] <GalacticExplorer> we need to know our future neighbors better
[12:52] <ombudsman> right
[12:53] <ombudsman> how lond do they live?
[12:53] <ombudsman> long
[12:53] <GalacticExplorer> 400 years
[12:54] <GalacticExplorer> I would really like to know more about their art, and music
[12:55] <GalacticExplorer> They can't talk about their technology, but I don't think that art is something they can't talk about either
[12:55] <Ogmios> well romans copied their lifestyle
[12:56] <GalacticExplorer> ombudsman and Ogmios what would you like to know about lifes of Zetas and Anunaki?
[12:56] <Ogmios> maybe art too
[12:57] <Ogmios> how they avoided nuclear destruction
[12:57] <GalacticExplorer> Ogmios probably
[12:58] <Ogmios> becouse they are more aggressive than us..and thats a lot
[12:58] <Ogmios> maybe they invent new things slower
[12:59] <GalacticExplorer> Yes Zetas said that they are slow
[12:59] <GalacticExplorer> I think they are slow both physically and mentally
[13:00] <Ogmios> i am interested to know about their religion
[13:00] <GalacticExplorer> Once again you should look at Egypt for an answer
[13:00] <GalacticExplorer> or Summeria
[13:00] <GalacticExplorer> these places were hotbed for those creatures
[13:01] <Ogmios> maybe they use slaves
[13:01] <Ogmios> lower class ppl
[13:01] <GalacticExplorer> On their Planet probably
[13:01] <GalacticExplorer> I am sure they have kings there
[13:02] <Ogmios> democracy unknown to them
[13:02] <Ogmios> warrior and cleric cast..
[13:02] <GalacticExplorer> well may be it is, but in a different form
[13:04] <ombudsman> what happened to there planet?
[13:04] <GalacticExplorer> I wonder if they desided to attack us, and Council of Worlds wasn't there. How long would we last
[13:04] <GalacticExplorer> To whose planet Zetas or Anunakis?
[13:05] <GalacticExplorer> Anunaki still live on theirs, but Zetas destroyed their planet, by just destroying it ...
[13:06] <ombudsman> with polution?
[13:06] <ombudsman> wars
[13:06] <GalacticExplorer> Yes and wars, and nuclear wars
[13:07] <ombudsman> is that in zetatalk?
[13:07] <GalacticExplorer> Yes somewhere
[13:08] <ombudsman> so no one lives on there planet anymore?
[13:08] <GalacticExplorer> No don't think so
[13:08] <GalacticExplorer> may be some small organisms
[13:09] <GalacticExplorer> They also said that they can't return to their planet because gravity would cruch them
[13:09] <GalacticExplorer> crush
[13:09] <GalacticExplorer> not cruch
[13:10] <ombudsman> the gravity is higher than Earths gravity then?
[13:10] <GalacticExplorer> I think so
[13:10] <ombudsman> is there planet a 4th density planet?
[13:11] <GalacticExplorer> don't know that
[13:11] <ombudsman> must not be  so that means they evolved after they left?
[13:11] <QueenVee> hello
[13:11] <GalacticExplorer> There are over 127 kinds of Zetas, they all live somewhere, some live in space all their lives, some live on planets
[13:12] <QueenVee> sorry, i forgot to mark myself as away
[13:12] <GalacticExplorer> Hello
[13:13] <QueenVee> tied: why have you changed your name?
[13:14] <ombudsman> just something differant
[13:16] <GalacticExplorer> Basically we need to ask Zetas to tell more about themselves and the Anunaki
[13:16] <ombudsman> well I don't care about thr Anunaki
[13:16] <QueenVee> why do we need to do that?
[13:17] <QueenVee> what else do we need to know?
[13:17] <ombudsman> but if this is to be there new home it is reasonable to ask more about them
[13:17] <QueenVee> so what specifically do you want to know?
[13:17] <GalacticExplorer> Everything
[13:18] <GalacticExplorer> What the average day of an average Zeta would be
[13:18] <GalacticExplorer> What kind of arts they have
[13:18] <ombudsman> there history , when did they evolve to the4th density was it after the destruction of there planet,  what do they eat, stuff like that
[13:18] <GalacticExplorer> I would love to see some of their paintings, listen to their music, I understand that its impossible right now, but still
[13:19] <QueenVee> well, some of that is already under the WORLDS SECTION, in the second paragraph
[13:19] <GalacticExplorer> Exactly ombudsman we would like to know more about their evolution, what they looked like before
[13:20] <QueenVee> read that and THEN give me a list of what else you would like to know
[13:20] <ombudsman> what kind of goverment did / do they have. is there planet 4th or 3rd density
[13:21] <QueenVee> specifically i'm talking about the part that reads as follows, and the linked pages attached to it:
[13:21] <ombudsman> were just kickin around some ideas
[13:21] <QueenVee>  The Zetas talk about the many Zeta Types and Zeta Knowledge; what Early Zeta was like; what constitutes Zeta Meals; how they have a home on Earth in the Gobi Desert and live On Mars; and where in the Zeta Reticuli star system they come from. The Zetas talk about what Zeta Schools are like; what the Zetas do for Entertainment and whether they have Literature; whether the Zetas Got Religion
[13:21] <QueenVee> whether the Zetas Got Religion or assign Zeta Roles by sex or have Zeta Marriages; and whether the Zetas are under Reptilian Control or inclined to be Dictatorial or Unemotional.
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[13:22] <ombudsman> got a link?
[13:22] <GalacticExplorer> http://www.zetatalk.com/worlds/w00.htm
[13:22] <QueenVee> thanks GE
[13:22] <GalacticExplorer> No problem
[13:23] <QueenVee> whether the Zetas Got Religion or assign Zeta Roles by sex or have Zeta Marriages; and whether the Zetas are under Reptilian Control or inclined to be Dictatorial or Unemotional.
[13:23] <QueenVee> oh, i already posted that
[13:23] <QueenVee> woops
[13:23] <QueenVee> as you can see, a lot of the questions you posed have already been answered
[13:23] <GalacticExplorer> For example their schools. How long are the hours in schools? How exactly they study? When do they start to study? How long they study?
[13:23] <QueenVee> GE: that's in that section
[13:24] <GalacticExplorer> Yes Queen I see that. Of course I won't ask Zetas about something they already talked about.
[13:24] <QueenVee> The Zetas talk about what Zeta Schools are like
[13:24] <QueenVee> but they HAVE already talked about it
[13:25] <QueenVee> you asked HOW LONG ARE THE HOURS IN SCHOOL, and that section tells you that their schooling is not limited to specific hours
[13:25] <GalacticExplorer> I will read through those articles and make some points and create some questions
[13:26] <GalacticExplorer> Right now is just a brain storm
[13:26] <GalacticExplorer> Brain overclocking
[13:28] <QueenVee> okay, well, let me know when i should pay attention
[13:28] <GalacticExplorer> Ok
[13:28] <GalacticExplorer> By the way we were talking about Anunakis here also
[13:29] <GalacticExplorer> Their political systems in general
[13:29] <GalacticExplorer> is it one big kingdom or is it several kingdoms, countries, or waht
[13:34] <QueenVee> and we need to know that why?
[13:35] <QueenVee> there's also a lot about the annunaki
[13:35] <QueenVee> already
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[13:36] <GalacticExplorer> Queen just because of human curiosity
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[13:37] <QueenVee> hi Richard
[13:38] <Richard> hi QueenVee
[13:38] <Richard> how are things with you
[13:38] <QueenVee> good, just got in from frolicking in the snow with my dog
[13:39] <Richard> very deep (snow)
[13:39] <QueenVee> i have to do some cleaning and laundry, but don't feel like it, so i'm procrastinating
[13:39] <Richard> :+)
[13:39] <QueenVee> we got a big snowfall last night, so it's fairly deep
[13:39] <QueenVee> out in the woods where we were frolicking
[13:40] <Richard> hard to be on work detail every day
[13:40] <QueenVee> hey, yes
[13:40] <Richard> IE preparing
[13:40] <Terminal> do you think a solar powered watch would still work?
[13:40] <Richard> very good session with nancy/zeta's yesterday
[13:41] <Richard> hard to know term
[13:41] <Terminal> ok
[13:41] <QueenVee> Term: no it wouldn't
[13:41] <QueenVee> not enough sun for solar power of any kind
[13:42] <QueenVee> Richard: yes, good session
[13:42] <Richard>  <---- eating breakfast ... sweetcorn outta garden
[13:42] <QueenVee> oh, lovely
[13:42] <QueenVee> i'm jealous
[13:42] <Richard> gonna miss just walking outside and gathering
[13:42] <Richard> met IaNZ yesterday
[13:43] <QueenVee> yes, i was thinking that as well when i was out. i have a little area in the woods, beside a stream, where i sit and feed and watch the birds while Henry goes off and does his thing, and i was thinking how i wouldn't have this idyllic scene next winter....
[13:44] <QueenVee> IaNZ, yes
[13:44] <Richard> we will go and help IaNZ and family if invited
[13:44] <QueenVee> excellent
[13:44] <Richard> thanks Queen
[13:44] <QueenVee> nature has always been a soothing balm in my life, but if nature is hurting....
[13:45] <QueenVee> it will be difficult
[13:45] <Richard> hard decision as he is situated in fault line area of country
[13:45] <QueenVee> oh dear
[13:45] <Richard> but you gotta do what has to be done
[13:46] <QueenVee> yep
[13:46] <Richard> but you know me and the faith/spiritual thing
[13:46] <Richard> it will guide
[13:47] <QueenVee> well, so much of this is about faith, trusting your inner intuition, etc
[13:47] <Richard> yes
[13:47] <QueenVee> Richard: were you actually at the sessions yesterday, or did you just read the logs?
[13:47] <Richard> just read logs
[13:47] <Richard> after got home from Ian's
[13:49] <QueenVee> the debunkers were at an hysterically shrill pitch
[13:49] <Richard> Queen: did you see that warning I posted a few hours ago from american govt to american citizens?
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[13:49] <QueenVee> yes, richard, i read that somewhere yesterday.... interesting....
[13:49] <Richard> VERY
[13:49] <Terminal> Richard, do you have a link?
[13:49] <ombudsman> I didn't queen can you repost?
[13:49] <Richard> why food s
[13:50] <Richard> why medical
[13:50] <QueenVee> yeah, hold on tied
[13:50] <Richard> was talking to an american here in nz yesterday
[13:50] <Richard> why does he need to be prepared
[13:51] <Richard> media just don't want to ask or pose any serious questions
[13:51] <Richard> why does an american in nz need to be prepared with food
[13:51] <Richard> come on people open your eyes
[13:52] <obany> i have my EYES WIDE OPEN
[13:52] <Richard> I know
[13:52] <obany> okay okay
[13:52] <QueenVee> Richard: the only thing that doesn't really fit the picture is that they have not given a similar warning to Americans living within the States....
[13:52] <Richard> aha
[13:52] <QueenVee> tied: here's the link
[13:52] <obany> but there are some who are just to stubborn to see the evidence
[13:53] <QueenVee> i mean, it's not that unusual within the context of a looming war
[13:53] <ombudsman> where?
[13:53] <ombudsman> lol
[13:53] <Richard> but they said it was the first such 'warrent' the us govt had EVER issued
[13:54] <Richard> and the word natural diasater was used
[13:54] <Richard> NOTE natural diasater (excuse spelling)
[13:54] <ombudsman> queen there was no link there
[13:54] <QueenVee> lol
[13:54] <QueenVee> sorry
[13:54] <QueenVee> here's the link: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=564&ncid=564&e=11&u=/nm/20030124/ts_nm/usa_warning_dc
[13:55] <QueenVee> duh
[13:55] <QueenVee> what a dolt
[13:55] <obany> he message to U.S. citizens advises them to have a supply of prescription medicines on hand, keep their passports up to date and maintain adequate stocks of food in the event of political unrest, natural disasters or "terror" attacks.
[13:56] <Richard> yep
[13:56] <Richard>  why natural disasters all of a sudden
[13:56] <QueenVee> yes (and to some extent i'm playing devil's advocate here), if the US govt elite don't really care what happens to Americans in the poleshift, only looking out for themselves, etc, why issue this "warning"?
[13:57] <Richard> my 'feeling' was they had a sudden pank of councious
[13:57] <QueenVee> is it coming from some arm of the government that genuinely wants to help people?
[13:57] <Richard> tomorrow they will likely recind the message
[13:57] <QueenVee> or does it have some other motive?
[13:57] <Richard> we are on same wavelength here Queen
[13:58] <QueenVee> well, i don't think it has anything to do with PX, to be honest...
[13:58] <Richard> I'm wondering if its the article from pravada and star visitor link I gave
[13:58] <ombudsman> Yeah it cracks me up there so called BIG Find of WMD consisted of some old EMPTY warheads that were laying out back of some hanger cover with inches of pigion
[13:58] <QueenVee> i think it's coming from some arm of the government that is concerned about the looming war and rate of natural disaster events around the world, and just wants to warn Americans to be ready to have to move suddenly
[13:59] <ombudsman> shit and were imported leagely in 1988
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[14:00] <Richard> many theories but it shows that the concern is heightening
[14:00] <QueenVee> Richard: what star visitor link?
[14:00] <Richard> hol and I'll find
[14:00] <Richard> hold
[14:00] <QueenVee> if this warning was issued in conjunction with a similar warning to Americans at home, i'd look at it differently...
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[14:03] <QueenVee> but here's something that DID make me stop and think:
[14:03] <QueenVee> this message was posted on Sherwood's Earthchanges listserve.
[14:03] <QueenVee> i'm gonna put moderation mode on while i post it here:
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[14:04] <QueenVee> I have some interesting news from here locally in Indiana that may relate
[14:04] <QueenVee> somehow to what is about to happen.
[14:04] <QueenVee> This past week the White House annonced here locally that they are
[14:04] <QueenVee> considering the formally active base Camp Attebury (40 miles south-west of
[14:04] <QueenVee> Indianapolis) as the new headquarters site for the Homeland Security
[14:04] <QueenVee> Department.
[14:04] <QueenVee> Secondly just announced Thursday that AmTrack is closing its newly renovated
[14:04] <QueenVee> repair ship yards at Beech Grove, Indiana (a incorperated town into greater
[14:04] <QueenVee> city of Indianapolis).
[14:04] <QueenVee> Seperately this wouldn't be much news. But Camp Attebury and the ship yards
[14:04] <QueenVee> at Beech Grove are listed in the US Army's Field Manual 19-4 detailing
[14:04] <QueenVee> Operations and Procedures for Civilian Detension Camps in times of National
[14:04] <QueenVee> Desaster or Crisses, also this is the manual detailing operations and
[14:04] <QueenVee> proedures detaining protestors in times of war and other nation wide unrest.
[14:04] <QueenVee> We have been hearing many many stories from National Guardsmen (who have
[14:04] <QueenVee> talked) that the Beech Grove yards are literally set up as to process
[14:04] <QueenVee> thousands of "prisioners" brought in by rail from the east coast. There are
[14:04] <QueenVee> claims as well that several building on the site have been set up as
[14:04] <QueenVee> excution centers, that right a death camp. Camp Attebury would then recieve
[14:04] <QueenVee> the rest coming out of Beech Grove yards.
[14:04] <QueenVee> I don't know about those darker claims, but I can confirm from fact that the
[14:04] <QueenVee> government did do a 20 billion dollar renovation (the past 4 years) of the
[14:04] <QueenVee> AmTrack yards on the behalf of keeping AmTrack at the site and employing
[14:04] <QueenVee> workers. Also they have been pumping billions into Camp Attebury even though
[14:04] <QueenVee> its decommisioned and has been some time.
[14:04] <QueenVee> In a period of one week we have news that Camp Attebury is on the short list
[14:04] <QueenVee> of Bush's new site for the head quarters of the department of Homeland
[14:04] <QueenVee> Security and just thursday AmTrack is pulling out of Beech Grove and handing
[14:04] <QueenVee> over the renovated site to Goverment. Nothing happens without a reason.
[14:05] <QueenVee> You guys might want to keep an eye out locally yourselves. If they might be
[14:05] <QueenVee> setting up tent cities for a massive evaculation of the cities.
[14:05] <QueenVee> Just passing along the information.
[14:05] <QueenVee> THE END
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[14:05] <Richard> queen some months back I read a piece on www.rense.com about the Amtrack yards/buildings
[14:05] <Richard> article said same thing about camps
[14:06] <Richard> did you get my link to drboylan.com ??
[14:06] <QueenVee> no, i didn't
[14:06] <Richard> can you scroll back up before your message?
[14:06] <Richard> or do I need to repost?
[14:07] <QueenVee> no, last thing you said was "hold and i'll find"....
[14:07] <Richard> ok
[14:07] <Richard> hold
[14:07] <QueenVee> oh, it didn't appear because i had moderation mode on
[14:07] <Richard> lol
[14:07] <Richard> yep
[14:07] <Richard> http://wwwdrboylan.com/may03neuman.html
[14:07] <Richard> 8th & 9th paragraph down
[14:08] <Richard> but read whole article
[14:08] <QueenVee> ha, after all that, it seems to be a bad link
[14:08] <Terminal>  http://www.drboylan.com/may03neuman.html
[14:08] <QueenVee> thanks Term
[14:08] <Terminal> :)
[14:08] <Richard> oops I left out the dot between www and ...
[14:09] <Richard> no good sending you to the address next door
[14:09] <QueenVee> okay, i'm reading....
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[14:13] <Richard> hi Shaman
[14:14] <obany> Hi Shaman
[14:14] <Shaman464> Hi Richard, hi obany
[14:14] <Shaman464> hello Queen
[14:14] <Richard> how's preparations going Shaman?
[14:14] <Shaman464> a little slow
[14:15] <Richard> just make sure you do something EVERY day
[14:15] <Richard> it will add up
[14:15] <QueenVee> well, very interesting
[14:15] <Richard> yes
[14:16] <Richard> that's why i mentioned pravda article week so bak
[14:16] <QueenVee> when was that written?
[14:16] <Richard> hinted at same thing
[14:16] <QueenVee> he mentioned November, but not what year
[14:16] <Richard> the neuman thing I discovered about dec 2002
[14:17] <Shaman464> between pay checks
[14:17] <Shaman464> yea
[14:17] <Shaman464> hows preparation going for you?
[14:17] <QueenVee> Also, at the end of the article he says:
[14:17] <Richard> here is the interesting part Queen
[14:17] <QueenVee> I thanked Neuman for these communications, which dovetail well with the four prophecies I have reported earlier [see "May, 2003 Predicted Upheavals], and with various future visions which experiencers have been shown by Star Visitors during encounters.
[14:17] <QueenVee> where would one find these other four prophecies?
[14:17] <Richard> go to
[14:17] <Richard> http://www.drboylan.com
[14:18] <QueenVee> ok
[14:18] <Richard> scroll down headings to May 2003 predictions
[14:18] <obany> Boyland doesn't take ZT serious for what i gather
[14:18] <Richard> listen to this tho Queen
[14:19] <Richard> that is part of what I'm gonna tell you obany
[14:19] <Richard> a few weeks back he said that pravda was a sentionlism paper when someone mentioned the same article that I did
[14:19] <Richard> about inbound asteroid
[14:20] <Richard> so I posted my 1st message to his newsgroup about the neuman prediction and pravda
[14:20] <Richard> correlating
[14:20] <Richard> never said a word, not a beep about it on his site
[14:21] <Richard> but yesterday a number of messages appeared from people saying they are fed up with 'doom merchants/
[14:21] <Richard> strange!!!!!!
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[14:22] <QueenVee> yes, very strange
[14:22] <Richard> the zeta's got mentioned once in his forum and he said the zetatalk site was not to be mentioned again in his forum
[14:22] <Richard> strange!!!!!!
[14:22] <QueenVee> did he say why?
[14:23] <Richard> no
[14:23] <QueenVee> well, that's rather dictatorial and unreasonable
[14:23] <Richard> and yet you will get neuman giving a same message basically as zeta's
[14:24] <Richard> don't tell me star visitors have one upman ship as well
[14:24] <Richard> as humans
[14:24] <Richard> or an ego problem
[14:25] <QueenVee> obany: you said that you didn't think he took ZT serious -- how did you know that? something he said>
[14:25] <ombudsman> Everyone and there brother has jumped on the Px bandwagon lately all trying to gain from it ..... I remember back years ago  when youcouldn't find anything about it on the web
[14:25] <Richard> you are likely right there ombud
[14:26] <Richard> everyone jostling for an imagined position
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[14:27] <QueenVee> hey, hold on....
[14:27] <QueenVee> he posts a letter from this guy Sprinkle...
[14:27] <Richard> ?!
[14:28] <obany> QueenVee: i take a look at that news group and for what i read well he doesn't buy into ZT
[14:28] <Richard> Leo Springle?
[14:28] <obany> Sprinkle
[14:28] <Richard> oops
[14:28] <QueenVee> he said that he did a reading for Boylan, which included "what seemed to be some "Oh, by the way...." comments on May 2003: Possible destructive events that could affect Planet Earth and/or Humanity...."
[14:29] <QueenVee> then he says this:
[14:29] <Richard> remember reading that
[14:29] <QueenVee> "YIKES! At the time, my conscious thought was that the comments could have been influenced by my recent reading of Blindsided, by Marc Hazelwood, or my earlier reading of Zetatalk, by Nancy Leider. Both writers present information, from different sources, that the "tenth planet" (Marduk, or Nibiru, a la Z[echaria]. Sitchin) is headed our way and shall cause much death and destruction."
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[14:30] <QueenVee> weird
[14:30] <Spiff> Hi all
[14:31] <QueenVee> obany: does he say WHY he doesn't buy into it? does he think nancy's a fraud?
[14:31] <Richard> it shows to me that the zeta's are focused on their message and others dance around the subject.
[14:31] <QueenVee> hello Spiff
[14:31] <Richard> hi Spiff
[14:32] <Spiff> Hi have you seen the new pic yet?
[14:32] <obany> Richard: could you tell what he said ...
[14:32] <QueenVee> Richard: yes, well, that's what ZT says, that they're the only ones who will come straight to the point, that the rest of couching it so very very gently....
[14:32] <Richard> boylan you mean obany?
[14:32] <obany> Spiff: http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm
[14:32] <obany> yes
[14:32] <QueenVee> no, i haven't, spiff -- have you?
[14:32] <Richard> 25th Jan Spiff?
[14:33] <Spiff> Yes 25th
[14:33] <Spiff> Looks like very good pictures
[14:33] <Richard> still analising I think spiff
[14:33] <obany> brb
[14:34] <Richard> obany: appears to me Dr Boylan just trying to raise people's councious ness regarding star visitors
[14:34] <QueenVee> Spiff: you have seen the fits files, or are you going by what Havas has said?
[14:34] <Richard> believes more in positive prayer to avoid May 03 (my interpretation)
[14:34] <QueenVee> Richard: yeah, but i'm trying to find out what specific objections he has expressed about ZetaTalk
[14:35] <Richard> that's what I don't know Queen
[14:35] <Spiff> I had a first look at the bmp
[14:35] <QueenVee> i.e., nancy is a fraud, she's not a fraud, but her zetas are wrong, etc
[14:35] <Spiff> I will download a fits soon
[14:35] <QueenVee> bmp?
[14:35] <Richard> and I haven't asked the question yet
[14:35] <ombudsman> whats the addy to JW dells site please?
[14:36] <Richard> as felt no zetatalk discussion was a stern message from Dr Boylan
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[14:36] <Spiff> Bitmap picture
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[14:36] <QueenVee> Spiff: so what makes the pictures "good" -- you mean they're clear? cause i haven't a clue as to what i'm looking at there....
[14:37] <Spiff> Clear is the key
[14:37] <QueenVee> tied: jdwilliams site: http://www.midbc.com/personal/jwd/index.htm
[14:37] <ombudsman> thanks
[14:37] <QueenVee> okay, i have to disappear for a bit, brb
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[14:37] <Shaman464> sorry my connection today is dicy
[14:37] <Shaman464> so anyone gunna watch the superbowl?
[14:37] <Shaman464> last one before the shift
[14:37] <Shaman464> last one ever come to think of it
[14:38] <ombudsman> yessssssssssssssssssss
[14:38] <Shaman464> Tex you gunna watch it?
[14:38] <Richard> watched the world cup soccer finals last year knowing it was last ever to be seen
[14:38] <ombudsman> go raiders
[14:38] <Spiff> Ombudsman where is your location?
[14:39] <ombudsman> ohio
[14:39] <Spiff> OOo
[14:39] <GalacticExplorer> i'd like to see new commercials, and the game of course
[14:40] <Richard> hey they might run a pole shift commercial
[14:40] <Richard> like in Russia
[14:40] <Richard> lol
[14:40] <GalacticExplorer> hehe
[14:40] <GalacticExplorer> probably not
[14:40] <GalacticExplorer>  but who knows?
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[14:40] <Richard> that would ceratinly blow everyone away
[14:40] <Shaman464> cool where about?
[14:40] <Shaman464> im in southern MI so i may be pretty close
[14:41] <Richard> ok I'd better away ... later
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[14:41] <Shaman464> bye
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[14:48] <Tizza> heyall
[14:51] <tied-away> Obany ?
[14:52] <tied-away> do you have Xephem
[14:53] <obany> yes but not installed at this time.. but it's easy to install
[14:53] <obany> why do you ask?
[14:53] <tied-away> just wondered it's a awsome program
[14:53] * Queen-away is now known as QueenVee
[14:53] <tied-away> I have a rpm if you want it
[14:53] <Nick> heh mahoivenmaven
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[14:54] <obany> i have a rpm :)
[14:54] <tied-away> ok
[14:54] <tied-away> have you tryed out red-carpet?
[14:54] <obany> red carpet?
[14:55] <tied-away> it's a install program and it keeps you up to date ...it' nice
[14:55] <obany> nah won't use it
[14:56] <obany> from ximiam ... but well evolution is kewl
[14:57] <QueenVee> Obany: this Dr. Boylan clearly does not believe that the May2003 "upheavals" are anything to be very concerned about, as he has all these speaking engagements and conferences planned and advertised for the spring, summer and fall of 2003....
[14:57] <Tizza> obany : werent you mod yesterday? were you just trying to be nice to silk and co.?
[14:59] <QueenVee> Tizza: that was obany being "tough" with silk and co....
[14:59] <Tizza> he allowed them to disrupt nearly the entire sesh
[14:59] <QueenVee> yep
[14:59] * juditness is away.. zzzzzzzzzz [mail: judit@geekychick.org] at 23:59:24
[14:59] <QueenVee> have to agree with you there
[15:00] <Tizza> i think a lot of us r getting damn sick and tired of those wankers in our chats ..cant we just outright ban them for good?
[15:01] <QueenVee> have to also agree with you there
[15:02] <obany> QueenVee: it seems that way
[15:02] <obany> Tizza: uuh i banned howmo for most of the session
[15:03] <obany> but then he returned later on as howmo2
[15:03] <QueenVee> obany: how come i manage to keep them out of my sessions?
[15:03] <Tizza> i was tempted to wade into the debarcle after nancy left but i had to withdraw myself because i would have gone balistic at them...they're habit of taking things out of context is becoming really annoying....i wont to stangle the shit out of them...they should not be allowed to participate
[15:04] <Tizza> ob: yes i saw that, you prob should have kicked silk too
[15:04] <obany> QueenVee: they don't consider this chat important enough to talk about the magnitude thing etc, that's why they don't join in
[15:04] <QueenVee> obany: i ban people left and right
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[15:04] <QueenVee> some have stopped coming because they know they can't get past me
[15:04] <Tizza> queen :   yes we know :):)
[15:04] <QueenVee> i just don't buy it obany
[15:05] <QueenVee> if you're SO CERTAIN that it can't be done, then why don't you let me moderate a session on a trial basis?
[15:05] <Tizza> we may pay you out about it occasionaly but it is good for people to know not to screw around
[15:05] <obany> Queeenvee: well silk asked a question that got accepted .. and no
[15:06] <QueenVee> exactly -- you know it CAN be done, but just don't want to
[15:06] <QueenVee> so stop being dishonest about it
[15:06] <obany> i am not being dishonest queenvee
[15:07] <QueenVee> then what do you call it?
[15:07] <Tizza> SETTLE DOWN THERE YOU KIDS!!
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[15:07] <obany> #zetatalk is just a different channel, different kind of questions ... and loitus is still banned there
[15:07] <QueenVee> so?
[15:08] <Tizza> not hard to see why
[15:08] <obany> if you want to ban someone from aol .. you have to ban the whole ISP
[15:08] <QueenVee> oh, give me a break
[15:08] <obany> i am not going to argue with you about this queen
[15:08] <QueenVee> the only thing DIFFERENT about the channel is that you allow people to be rude and abusive
[15:08] <QueenVee> just be honest about it
[15:09] <QueenVee> apparently you and jeremy think it's entertaining or something
[15:09] <obany> i am HONEST ... and no Queen you are wrong
[15:09] <obany> i have a whole different opinion about banning then Jeremy has
[15:09] <QueenVee> oh, okay, then Jeremy thinks its entertaining and doesn't allow you to ban as you'd like
[15:10] <obany> NO queen you are dead wrong about this
[15:10] <Tizza> sorry obany...you have been doing a good job...but the howls of the "debunkers" is only going to get louder from now on...i think we need to get tougher in order for the correct info to get out there
[15:10] <QueenVee> Jeremy is such a two-faced asshole
[15:10] <QueenVee> sucks up to the debunkers on the one hand, and smiles to nancy to her face
[15:10] <QueenVee> makes me sick
[15:10] <QueenVee> Tizza: it's not going to change as long as obany and jeremy are in charge there
[15:11] <QueenVee> we've been through this so many times
[15:11] <obany> QueenVee: you are so wrong about me so wrong
[15:11] <Jurian> QueenVee: then plan a revolution :)
[15:11] <Tizza> i have noticed that lately (not knowing last history with jeremy)
[15:11] <QueenVee> oh, and there's Jurian, offering helpful solutions as usual
[15:11] <Ogmios> wrong?
[15:12] <QueenVee> it's nancy's fault as well, because she continues to go along with it
[15:12] <Jurian> QueenVee: as long as nancy doesn't ask me to change the moderators, i wont
[15:12] <QueenVee> she emailed me recently asking what could be done about it; i told her, and she chose to not take my advice. so what can you do?
[15:13] <Jurian> altho I do agree that the sessions are being more and more useless
[15:13] <QueenVee> its embarassing
[15:13] <Jurian> yes, and pathetic
[15:13] <QueenVee> but apparently obany and jeremy don't think so
[15:14] <Jurian> sadly, my internet connection dropped dead halfway during the sesison last night, so I couldn't even see how bad things got this time
[15:14] <obany> QueenVee: stop making assumptions about me......
[15:14] <Jurian> obany: it has NOTHING to do with assumptions
[15:14] <Jurian> its a damn mess in #zetatalk
[15:14] <QueenVee> obany: they are conclusions based on your behaviour
[15:14] <Jurian> and only YOU, and jeremy, can change that
[15:15] <QueenVee> the two of you are holding those sessions hostage by refusing to do what needs to be done
[15:15] <obany> Jurian: i know, hence i banned that howmo during the chat, banned loitus, and have been called a fagot by him in a private message
[15:15] <Jurian> you'll be called a lot worse
[15:15] <Jurian> stop caring
[15:15] <obany> i know Jurian
[15:16] <obany> and he still banned
[15:16] <Jurian> stop letting them make you angry by talking about you
[15:16] <Jurian> ban them, permanently, not just for a few minutes
[15:16] <Jurian> no mercy
[15:17] <obany> there are some bans still in place
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[15:18] <QueenVee> obany: they will say nasty things about you no matter what you do, so why not do the right and best thing then? why are you making it about you?
[15:19] <Tizza> i am sorry as i have obviously poored salt into the wound...but we need to do something
[15:19] <obany> QueenVee: i have been called a lot worse ... there is a stupid story about me on the web in Dutch ...
[15:19] <obany> i have been called a scienntology member etc etc
[15:19] <QueenVee> obany: why do you obssess about it so much? who cares?
[15:19] <Tizza> hahah   kool
[15:20] <Tizza> i gota go...the folks are coming to visit..still trying to decide wether to discuss this with em or not
[15:20] <obany> QueenVee: as i said you are wrong about me
[15:20] <Tizza> and havent done the dishes yet....lol
[15:20] <Tizza> cya all
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[15:21] <QueenVee> obany: then prove it
[15:22] <obany> proof what?
[15:23] <obany> i don't want to turn this into a endless discussion about who is wrong and who is right
[15:23] <QueenVee> obany: you're making it that, we're just giving you the facts
[15:23] <QueenVee> the facts you keep ignoring
[15:23] <QueenVee> the problem you keep ignoring
[15:23] <QueenVee> you don't think there's a problem?
[15:24] <obany> you think that i ignore the facts... so stop saying  things about me ...
[15:24] <obany> as you don't know the hell about me ...
[15:24] <obany> sigh
[15:24] <Jurian> you ARE ignoring facts
[15:24] <Jurian> and that has NOTHING to do with knowing you or not
[15:25] <obany> the facts, that i should ban in a better manner ...
[15:25] <walt> "cant we all just get along"  : )
[15:26] <QueenVee> obany: STOP MAKING IT ABOUT YOU PERSONALLY
[15:26] <QueenVee> its not about you personally
[15:26] <QueenVee> it's about how the sessions are run
[15:26] <QueenVee> when you refuse to make changes no matter how many times people point out how ridiculous the sessions are getting, THAT'S when people start drawing conclusions about you....
[15:26] <QueenVee> what alternative do we have?
[15:27] <QueenVee> you don't provide any rational explanation for not making changes
[15:27] <QueenVee> air rushes in to fill a vacuum
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[15:30] <obany> well just don't think that i am with one mind with Jeremy. And i know the soft aproach doesn't work
[15:30] <obany> but #zetatalk is not #poleshiftdiscussion
[15:30] <QueenVee> so?
[15:30] <QueenVee> what does that have to do with anything?
[15:31] <QueenVee> you never address the issue obany
[15:31] <obany> ooh come on, i don't want to turn this into a endless discussion
[15:31] <QueenVee> you blame it on obany, you blame it on the channel -- you're just not responsible, are you?
[15:31] <Jurian> obany: you mean you dont want to discuss things..
[15:31] <QueenVee> you blame it on jeremy, i mean
[15:31] <Jurian> YOU are the one making it endless
[15:31] <QueenVee> you just don't want anybody to say anything
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[15:31] <Jurian> by constantly avoiding giving an anwer
[15:32] <QueenVee> why not just be a man and say I THINK THE SESSIONS ARE JUST FINE THE WAY THEY ARE
[15:32] <obany> i already got tougher yesterday ... in the session .. so i should turn into a fucking dictator next week ?
[15:32] <QueenVee> but YOU WEREN'T TOUGH yesterday
[15:33] <QueenVee> you just think you were
[15:33] <QueenVee> you go from 5% to 10% and think you've gone to 90%
[15:33] <QueenVee> you need to be at 90%
[15:33] <QueenVee> and then the next week you're back to 5%
[15:33] <obany> you know that i tolerate more then you ... that's me.. my personality
[15:33] <QueenVee> and that is how it constantly goes
[15:34] <QueenVee> so, again, this is about YOU
[15:34] <QueenVee> this is about what's best for YOU
[15:34] <QueenVee> not what's best for the sessions
[15:34] <obany> no queenvee, what's best for the sessions
[15:34] <obany> now
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[15:34] <QueenVee> people are telling you that your toleration is ruining the sessions
[15:34] <Jurian> lol
[15:34] <Jurian> run like a baby
[15:34] <QueenVee> he needs therapy
[15:35] <Jurian> no shit
[15:35] <Jurian> he was going to come along with me, to sweden, but he chickened out the last week
[15:35] <Jurian> without saying why
[15:35] <QueenVee> well, like i said, those #zetatalk sessions are like one long S&M show....
[15:35] <QueenVee> really. that's interesting.
[15:36] <walt> why does nancy do them?
[15:36] <QueenVee> ya got me
[15:36] <walt> the chats could be done in an invite only chat room
[15:36] <QueenVee> walt: we've laid out all the alternatives to nancy, she won't "fire" the moderators
[15:36] <QueenVee> period
[15:36] <QueenVee> and the moderators won't resign
[15:36] <QueenVee> period
[15:37] <QueenVee> DEADLOCK
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[15:37] <QueenVee> hello Freddo
[15:37] <walt>  wonder why : )
[15:37] <Jurian> luckily, I can fire the mods :p
[15:37] <QueenVee> walt: any theories?
[15:37] <QueenVee> Jurian: no, you can't
[15:37] <walt> I think she likes the controversy
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[15:37] <Jurian> just need to be sure the majority of people want new mods
[15:37] <QueenVee> walt: like i said, S&M
[15:37] <Freddo> hi queen
[15:37] <walt> she keeps going back and posting on Sci.astro
[15:38] <QueenVee> Jurian: REALLY?
[15:38] <walt> thats where most of the debunkers are from
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[15:38] <QueenVee> Jurian: so, if we took a survey and that's what everyone voted, you coudl do that?
[15:38] <walt> yet she keeps going back
[15:38] <Jurian> sure!
[15:38] <Jurian> votes are good
[15:39] <obany> what is this about now?
[15:39] <QueenVee> we're still trying to find a solution to the problem obany
[15:39] <QueenVee> you can join in if you want
[15:42] <obany> sigh
[15:42] <obany> just got a private message from sapph
[15:42] <Jurian> he still loves you? :)
[15:42] <obany> yes :)
[15:45] <obany> so how does he know that we are talking about this?
[15:46] <QueenVee> about what?
[15:46] <obany> about #zetatalk
[15:46] <Jurian> he must be an illuminati, he has an all-seeing eye
[15:47] <QueenVee> he's probably in here under a different nick -- who cares?
[15:48] <walt> isnt there an invisible option?
[15:48] <QueenVee> no
[15:48] <Jurian> nope, can't hide unless the channel is set +D like #zetatalk
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[15:52] <QueenVee> OKAY, ANNOUNCEMENT:
[15:53] <QueenVee> YOU CAN NO LONGER BE IN THIS CHANNEL IF YOU ARE ALSO LOGGED IN #TROUBLED_TIMES AT THE SAME TIME
[15:54] <Jurian> Time for me to go sleep
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