Session Start: Tue Jan 28 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
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[00:02] <Ralf> hrm
[00:02] <Tonee> hrm indeed
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[00:08] <Aaaaa> I was k-lined there for a while!
[00:08] <Aaaaa> thanks for letting me back!
[00:09] <Aaaaa> anyone else here?
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[00:10] * Looking up Aaaaa user info...
[00:12] <Aaaaa> hello?am I alive?
[00:13] <Terminal> hello
[00:13] <Aaaaa> you can hear me?
[00:13] <Terminal> sure can ;)
[00:13] <Aaaaa> great!
[00:14] <Aaaaa> thanx!
[00:14] <Terminal> i guess you were klined by accident because of your name
[00:14] <Aaaaa> yeah!
[00:14] <Terminal> yes!
[00:15] <Jurian> oops, sorry :)
[00:15] <Aaaaa> forgiven!
[00:16] <Aaaaa> (Executed without a trial!)
[00:16] <scooby> lol
[00:16] <scooby> casting a wide net i guess
[00:16] <Aaaaa> :)
[00:17] <scooby> i now understand ralf's policy of not more than one day
[00:17] <scooby> : )
[00:21] <scooby> wow, looking over that list a lot were machines compromised on AT&T's network (attbi.com)
[00:22] <Aaaaa> how many actual people tho?
[00:22] <scooby> 1 probably
[00:22] <scooby> commanding an army of hijacked computers
[00:23] <scooby> hold for a link
[00:23] <Aaaaa> the count read 170 here for a while!
[00:23] <Aaaaa> Queens best!
[00:23] <scooby> http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm
[00:24] <scooby> read that whole thing and you will have an idea of what happened here tonite
[00:24] <scooby> 170!
[00:24] <scooby> holy chit!
[00:24] <Aaaaa> ok
[00:24] <scooby> pretty cool stuff actually
[00:25] <Aaaaa> if you understand
[00:25] <scooby> he actually does a pretty good job pf breaking it down
[00:25] <scooby> i can fill in the gaps for you if you need
[00:25] <Aaaaa> i'll read on my way out
[00:25] <Aaaaa> gotta zzzz
[00:26] <scooby> nite
[00:26] <scooby> i should too
[00:26] <scooby> l8rs
[00:26] <Aaaaa> nite!
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[00:38] <Clive> Hi everybody
[00:38] <scooby> hia clive
[00:38] <Clive> made it here, downloaded mirc, dont know how i managd it
[00:38] <scooby> not much going on here now...
[00:38] <scooby> what brings you here?
[00:38] <Clive> oh well at least I now know how to chat, havnt fone so before
[00:39] <Clive> scoob
[00:39] <scooby> tru
[00:39] <Clive> Are we chatting bout Pole Shift??
[00:39] <scooby> how did you hear about the poleshift?
[00:39] <scooby> not really, since no one is really chatting...
[00:39] <scooby> :)
[00:40] <Clive> Well what exactly are we supposed to do:)
[00:40] <Clive> sit here and wait for shift:)
[00:40] <scooby> :)
[00:40] <scooby> how did you hear about zetatalk and the polehshift?
[00:41] <Clive> Well ive got something new to add to all the facts that are known
[00:41] <Clive> Ive been studying various sites via google
[00:41] <scooby> o, and?
[00:42] <Clive> well I had a strange occurence last year and it prompted me to study the issues
[00:43] <Clive> rather I should say a strange vision
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[00:44] <Clive> See I was looking at an atlas and studying Australia
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[00:45] <Clive> I started to look at the qld coast(Iwas living in W.A)
[00:45] <scooby> you just missed it
[00:45] <Clive> missed what??
[00:45] <Kobol> he he he
[00:45] <Kobol> is always the way
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[00:46] <Jurian> >:)
[00:46] <scooby> way to go!
[00:46] <Clive> well if you dont want to know????
[00:46] <scooby> sorry clive
[00:46] <scooby> got a little distracted
[00:46] <Clive> k
[00:46] <Clive> I thought this was a serious discussion,I found it from the Poleshift site 2003
[00:47] <scooby> so what was the vision?
[00:47] <scooby> well, sometimes knuckleheads try and take over a room
[00:47] <Jurian> hehe, THAT will never happen
[00:47] <Clive> Well as I studied the map of queensland (it was an old map)
[00:47] <scooby> that was about to happen for the 2nd time tonite
[00:47] <Jurian> they can just make it extremely unpleasant to be here
[00:47] <scooby> ty Jurian...
[00:47] <Jurian> NP! :)
[00:48] <Clive> My eyes were drwn to an Island of the coast named Lord Howe Rise
[00:48] <Clive> this can be checked and verified on any older map
[00:49] <Clive> The letters suddennly shifted before my eyes and read quite clearly
[00:49] <Clive> LORD HOW E Rise
[00:49] <Clive> After this vision I discovered Zeta Talk about a week later
[00:49] <Clive> and saw in their predictions that this part of Aust was indeed going to Rise
[00:50] <scooby> wow!
[00:50] <scooby> that is cool
[00:50] <Clive> And I realised that the future is actually written into language instrange ways
[00:51] <Clive> Who or what induced this vision, I do not know
[00:51] <Clive> but I have since moved from W.A
[00:51] <Clive> to qld
[00:51] <scooby> so you are "down under?"
[00:52] <scooby> will soon be "up over"
[00:52] <Clive> I now believe also that
[00:52] <Clive> Allthough i'm not what you would call a proper Christian
[00:52] <Clive> I do sort of believe
[00:52] <Clive> and I believe that when JC said
[00:53] <Clive> "That we must all be changed in the twinkle of an eye"
[00:53] <Clive> this refers to the magnetic pole shift
[00:53] <scooby> there is a lot in the bible that refers to aliens
[00:53] <Clive> and that we will all undergoe some type of mental(spiritual) tranformation
[00:53] <scooby> if you read it right
[00:53] <Clive> k
[00:54] <Clive> So I believe this thing is REALLY gonna happen
[00:54] <scooby> the last pole shift happened when the jews were leaving egypt
[00:54] <scooby> so all the plagues and such
[00:54] <scooby> were a result of the shift
[00:54] <Clive> k, yes I believe that
[00:55] <scooby> clive: that's the nice thing about this channel... everyone in this room believes the poleshift will happen
[00:55] <Terminal> hey Clive, sorry if I missed it, where are you from?
[00:55] <scooby> dissenters or debunkers get kicked out pretty quickly
[00:55] <Clive> I'm from England but I live in Queensland Australia terminal
[00:55] <scooby> or kindly recommended to visit #earthchanges or #troubled_times
[00:55] <Clive> k scooby
[00:56] <Clive> :)
[00:56] <Terminal> ok cool, i'm down in vic, aus
[00:56] <Clive> oh really
[00:56] <Terminal> yeah, im planning to retreat to the blue mountains in NSW however
[00:57] <Clive> well Im staying here as have family, and I belive as ive said I was forewarned to be here
[00:57] <Terminal> ah ok
[00:58] <Clive> I think everybody is in for a big shock MENTALLY
[00:58] <Clive> at the change
[00:58] <walt> naaaaaaa
[00:58] <Clive> we wont think quite like we do at the moment
[00:58] <Terminal> i agree, hopefully we will be more enlightened in some way
[00:59] <Clive> Its not just a physical change thats comming
[00:59] <Clive> It says in the bible that
[00:59] <Clive> those that have shall be added unto, and those who have not shall be taken away from"
[00:59] <Clive> and it dont mean materiality
[01:00] <Terminal> thats interesting
[01:00] <Clive> yeah
[01:00] <Clive> I think its whats in your heart
[01:00] <Terminal> well, i hope i 'have' :)
[01:00] <Clive> dont we all:)
[01:01] <Terminal> i think we probably do, since we are some of the few who believe
[01:01] <Clive> can you use mirc to chat with Nancy at Zetatalk ??????
[01:01] <scooby> yes
[01:01] <Terminal> yes you can, she is online for a couple of hours each saturday morning in aus
[01:02] <scooby> you just need to click here: #zetatalk
[01:02] <scooby> she also does a session in this room
[01:02] <scooby> same day
[01:02] <Clive> allways wanted to join i but couldnt work out how to do it
[01:02] <scooby> have you seen this site:
[01:02] <scooby> http://shift2003.com
[01:02] <Clive> oh great I hope to catch her online sometime
[01:02] <scooby> info on times of chat with Nancy are there
[01:02] <Clive> have to go now having a bbq with the heat and bugs
[01:02] <Terminal> later Clive
[01:03] <Clive> take care everyone.....Godm Bless All
[01:03] <scooby> nite clive
[01:03] <scooby> see ya l8r
[01:03] <Clive> :)
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[01:20] <scooby> nite obany
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[02:50] <obany> hi and brb
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[02:57] <obany> hi tiras
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[03:15] <obany> hi
[03:18] <Terminal> hello
[03:19] <obany> kinda quiet here ...
[03:20] <Terminal> perhaps a little too quiet.
[03:20] <obany> it's the time of the day
[03:20] <Terminal> 10:18pm here
[03:21] <obany> evening that is, . 12:19pm here ... afternoon
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[03:47] <obany> hi clive aka yesh
[03:48] <Clive> Hi not used to mirc yet
[03:49] <Clive> Do you all spend a lot of time in here???
[03:51] <obany> usualy i do yes ..
[03:51] <Terminal> i'm always here logged in, i just may be asleep or away
[03:51] <Clive> are you waiting for someone?
[03:52] <obany> Clive: no ...
[03:54] <Clive> Well. what exactly.....happens in here then????
[03:56] <Clive> are you there Scooby??
[03:56] <obany> Clive: he is sleeing, and there will be some chatter later on during the day ... probably wednesday morning for you
[03:57] <obany> usualy there is some more chatter during this time, but seems that some don't have the time
[03:57] <obany> it's the time difference
[03:57] <Clive> Oh I see, forgot that its10pm here
[04:00] <obany> usulay there is some chatter earlier on, around 11:00am my time in the morning or earlier ... people from NZ ... and then there is Terminal
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[04:11] <inkpen> hello
[04:12] <Terminal> hi inkpen
[04:14] <inkpen> how goes it?
[04:15] <Terminal> it goes asleep soon
[04:15] <Terminal> how goes the ink?
[04:15] <inkpen> heh
[04:16] <inkpen> not much...i screwed up my sleeping pattern royaly prolly wont go to sleep for a few more hours yet :)
[04:16] <Terminal> hehe
[04:21] <obany> ehehehe inkpen
[04:22] <obany> could you explain to me to meaning of the word sleep ? :P
[04:22] <inkpen> heh...i missed a very nice day yesterday sleeping through it
[04:22] <inkpen> i think its when you have a subconscous battle between you and death and death looses
[04:23] <inkpen> hehhe
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[04:24] <inkpen> oops
[04:29] <inkpen> l8ter...my com cant handle being on for more than 24 hours bb in the afternoon
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[05:27] <cantsend2chanel> hello
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[05:28] <obany> hi
[05:28] <humvee> hi guess the join flood is over now
[05:28] <obany> was that earlier on ?
[05:28] <humvee> yes was the worst iv seen
[05:29] <Thunderbird> people checking in until there is a sighting I guess. The tension builds.
[05:29] <humvee> and we were cut off from posting
[05:29] <obany> gues there are some dickheads who want to remove this channel ...and the chats that take this place
[05:29] <obany> a join flood is something diferent
[05:30] <humvee> someone got on as op ans blocked everyone else
[05:30] <humvee> we were talking by changing our nicks to messages
[05:31] <humvee> LOL
[05:32] <obany> mmmm
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[05:33] <humvee> new jersey?
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[05:35] <humvee> wb
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[05:45] <from_Texas> looks like it got exciting in here earlier
[05:45] <humvee> yea was a bit crazy
[05:46] <from_Texas> how does that happen
[05:46] <humvee> is there an op named Pshift
[05:47] <humvee> ppl just type junk letters as nick then loin quit in rapid succession
[05:47] <humvee> join
[05:48] <humvee> it was an attack 4 sure
[05:48] <from_Texas> jerks
[05:48] <humvee> :-)
[05:49] <from_Texas> did it happen in all rooms
[05:49] <humvee> yes
[05:49] <humvee> at least #earthchanges was down also
[05:50] <from_Texas> and they don't allow jerks
[05:50] <from_Texas> lol
[05:51] <from_Texas> well i need to leave for work.. have a great day
[05:51] <humvee> u 2
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[05:52] <tex-away> !down
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[06:26] <vn> http://pilvilinna.org/stuff/ASCII/we_come_in_peace.html
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[07:54] <Dsarith> Hello Tex and everyone else
[07:55] <tex-at-work> hi Dsarith
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[08:32] <tex-at-work> this is about all the excitement I can stand.. think I will go eat
[08:32] <Dsarith> lol
[08:32] <Dsarith> Enjoy your lunch TEx
[08:32] <tex-at-work> do you have a spot is colorado for us yet
[08:33] <tex-at-work> *in
[08:34] <Dsarith> I actually do :-)
[08:34] <tex-at-work> well when i get back we need to discuss this further
[08:34] <Dsarith> 2 5 acres lots have been donated to the cause
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[08:35] <Dsarith> I have no idea where its at, but its in Colorado
[08:35] <tex-at-work> from humvee
[08:35] <Dsarith> Yip
[08:35] <Dsarith> Is that a bad thing?
[08:35] <Dsarith> :-)
[08:35] <tex-at-work> ok i have a map
[08:35] <Dsarith> Cool
[08:35] <tex-at-work> no it's good
[08:35] <Eccles> Greetings, all
[08:36] <tex-at-work> ok later
[08:36] <tex-at-work> hi eccles
[08:36] <Dsarith> Hi Eccles
[08:36] <Dsarith> How are you today
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[08:36] <Eccles> Hi tex & dsarith
[08:36] <Eccles> I just wanted to check the new access to this chat  room.  I'll come back later.
[08:37] <Dsarith> Cool
[08:37] <Dsarith> We will be here
[08:37] <Eccles> great
[08:37] <Eccles> I just saw QueenVee's website for the first time.  Great job...some of us are a little slow on getting the word.
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[08:38] <Dsarith> Yes she has done a good job
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[09:24] <Dsarith> Hi Tied
[09:26] <obany> hi
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[09:47] <QueenVee> hello? anybody here?
[09:49] <tied2> yes
[09:49] <tied2> you missed the big flood attack last night
[09:49] <QueenVee> oh yeah
[09:49] <QueenVee> mischief or tech problem?
[09:50] <tied2> a server attack
[09:50] <QueenVee> oy, so what happened?
[09:50] <tied2> ralf and jurain had to take care of it
[09:51] <QueenVee> mmm
[09:51] <tied2> about a hundred login at once the log out's  it just kept going
[09:52] <QueenVee> how long did it go on for?
[09:52] <tied2> 15 min
[09:52] <QueenVee> so you mean a bunch of people were doing that deliberately?
[09:52] <tied2> no floodbots I think
[09:52] <tied2> hang on I'
[09:52] <tied2> I'll get a link
[09:53] <tied2> http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/1573551
[09:53] <tied2> somehting like that
[09:54] <QueenVee> oh, so it IS being done deliberately
[09:56] <tied2> yes
[09:57] <QueenVee> wow, people are such jerks
[09:57] <QueenVee> destruction for the sake of destruction
[09:57] <tied2> it's the Republicains lol
[09:57] <QueenVee> you gotta have a very sad life if that's the only way you can get your thrills
[09:57] <tied2> I guess
[09:58] <QueenVee> speaking of sad lives....
[09:58] <QueenVee> i've decided to start calling the #troubled_times channel #troubled_trolls
[09:58] <tied2> I don't go there anymore
[09:59] <QueenVee> me either
[09:59] <tied2> and I've have to ban some of them from #earthchanges
[10:00] <tied2> I'm all for free discussion but I just can't stand bashing
[10:01] <QueenVee> well, you gave them a chance, what more can you do?
[10:02] <tied2> not much
[10:02] <Dsarith> Hiya QV
[10:03] <QueenVee> hi Dsarith - how's it going?
[10:03] <tied2> I learned to  put them on ignore before I ban them lol that way they can't pvt me 50 times whinning
[10:03] <Dsarith> Its going... sorry I didnt set me to away yesterday.
[10:03] <Dsarith> Its going good
[10:04] <QueenVee> tied2: lol, isn't that fun?
[10:04] <QueenVee> not...
[10:04] <QueenVee> Dsarith: i've been doing that as well lately, forgetting to mark myself as away....
[10:04] <QueenVee> got so many things going, just get distracted....
[10:05] <Dsarith> Yep :-)
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[10:06] <QueenVee> hi humvee
[10:06] <Dsarith> Hi Humvee
[10:06] <QueenVee> i was going to say good morning, but it's not morning there, is it
[10:06] <humvee> good morning
[10:07] <humvee> its morning wen i eat cerial 4 me
[10:07] * Dsarith passes humvee a bowl of fruit loops
[10:08] <humvee> tyvm
[10:08] <QueenVee> for me, it's morning when my hound says it's morning
[10:09] <humvee> QV: u should have seen the join flood last nite :-(
[10:09] <QueenVee> yeah, so i hear
[10:09] <QueenVee> losers with nothing better to do with their lives
[10:09] <QueenVee> very sad
[10:09] <humvee> hackers 1 n all
[10:11] <humvee> we were talking by changing our /nick to messages - LOL
[10:12] <humvee> dont know how they blocked us from posting
[10:13] <QueenVee> mmmm
[10:13] <humvee> is @pshift a normal op
[10:13] <QueenVee> no
[10:13] <QueenVee> @pshift was in the channel?
[10:13] <humvee> thought as muich as he/she kept apperaing the disappearing
[10:14] <humvee> on right side
[10:14] * QueenVee sighs
[10:14] <humvee> just went 2 bed was eisier
[10:14] <QueenVee> how long after i left did it happen?
[10:14] <obany> guess he did put the channel on moderation
[10:15] <humvee> about 35 mins then i shut off my computer
[10:15] <tied2> the opserv puts the channel on moderation when there is a flood
[10:15] <QueenVee> okay, so was this only this channel, or the whole server?
[10:15] <QueenVee> oh, i see
[10:16] <tied2> no TT and EC also
[10:16] <Ralf> it was some wanker
[10:16] <Ralf> i glined him
[10:16] <Ralf> and jur got the floodbots
[10:16] <scooby-afk> it was kewl
[10:16] <scooby-afk> lol
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[10:16] <Ralf>  [:S:] Services.FunNet.Org adding GLINE for *@h0010b5650a6d.ne.client2.attbi.com, expiring at
[10:16] <Ralf>           1043826740: loading floodnets and threatening to packet users is probably not the wises
[10:16] <Ralf>           of activites.  maybe you should do something productive, like get a job, or take up
[10:16] <Ralf>           masturbation.
[10:16] <humvee> i checked #earthchanges also   islander thought it was on all # chanels
[10:16] <QueenVee> sorry you had to deal with that, ralf
[10:16] <Ralf> nah
[10:16] <Ralf> in fact
[10:17] <Ralf> i only glined him for a day
[10:17] <Ralf> so i have something to do tonight, too.
[10:17] <tied2> lmao
[10:17] <scooby> i think ralf rather enjoyed it
[10:17] <QueenVee> why did you only gline him for a day?
[10:17] <scooby> <+Ralf> so i have something to do tonight, too.
[10:17] <QueenVee> okay....
[10:18] <scooby> ralf: did you get his real IPor just all the proxies?
[10:19] <scooby> QV: he came in initially as necos and then got really quiet
[10:19] <scooby> and all of a sudden... BAMM! there were over 100 people in this room
[10:19] <scooby> tried posting some crap...
[10:19] <scooby> one sec and I'll get the log if you want
[10:19] <QueenVee> how empty does your life have to be if that's the only way you can get your thrills
[10:19] <QueenVee> scooby -- don't bother
[10:19] <scooby> he must be under 18
[10:19] <scooby> ok
[10:20] <scooby> did you see this link QV:
[10:20] <scooby> http://pilvilinna.org/stuff/ASCII/we_come_in_peace.html
[10:20] <scooby> pretty
[10:21] <obany> if you such a thing... if you are a channel op ... to stop a on join flood make the channel invite only
[10:21] <obany> fast
[10:21] <humvee> warning this was posted last nite and had a bug/virus locks up ur machine on print command
[10:22] <scooby> obany: all ops were away or asleep at the time
[10:22] <humvee> look but dont save or print while other windows are open
[10:22] <scooby> in fact, it happened just after juditness left for work
[10:23] <humvee> note: dont p[rint that et picture above
[10:23] <QueenVee> but i thought humvee was here.... and you were here scooby.... you're both ops
[10:23] <obany> so probably the best thing should be that there are some more channel ops in this channel
[10:23] <scooby> i cant op from home
[10:23] <QueenVee> why not?
[10:23] <tied2> buy the time I thought of that ralf was on the spot so I just left it tohim
[10:23] <scooby> chanserv doesn't like the hostmask
[10:23] <scooby> i have no prob at work
[10:23] <scooby> ok humvee, i wont print
[10:24] <humvee> i did not get oped yesterday as came on as u retired qv
[10:24] * tied2 is now known as tied2-away
[10:24] <obany> scooby: if you know how to use nickserv and now your host at work then add is as a maks
[10:24] <obany> that might work
[10:24] <obany> mask
[10:24] <scooby> how do i add?
[10:25] <scooby> in the options?
[10:25] <QueenVee> humvee: are you registered?
[10:25] <obany> -NickServ- /msg NickServ ADDMASK [user@host]
[10:25] <obany> -NickServ- Adds the specified user@host to the account you are authenticated to with NickServ.  If no mask is given, it uses your current mask.
[10:25] <obany> -NickServ- See Also: auth, delmask
[10:26] <QueenVee> humvee: if you get registered, then i can add you as a permanent op, and no one will have to op you
[10:26] <QueenVee> if you don't know how to register, i can walk you through it
[10:27] <humvee> oh ok will do it when i return from work
[10:27] <QueenVee> ok
[10:28] <scooby> ok, obany, i will try that
[10:28] <scooby> brb
[10:28] <scooby> ty, btw
[10:28] <humvee> QV: looking @ your earthquake page / yesterday it was up to date today it has reverted to January 23, 2003
[10:29] <humvee> have to goto worn now - bblater
[10:29] <humvee> off 2 work bye
[10:29] <obany> mmm what he Zetas have said keeps one thinkiing, those strong tornadoes at cyprus
[10:29] <Dsarith> cya
[10:29] <obany> expect the unexpected
[10:29] <QueenVee> humvee: yeah, i'm in the process of fixing the links.... will be fixed shortly
[10:30] <humvee> np just noticed bye
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[10:33] <obany> "  "It was like the force of God upon us... I've never seen anything like it," one Limassol resident told Cypriot television as he stood beside an
[10:33] <obany> overturned car.
[10:33] <obany>  "
[10:33] <obany> http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/Swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=1592666
[10:33] <QueenVee> yep, well put -- expect the unexpected
[10:34] <obany> queen
[10:34] <obany> picture here
[10:34] <obany> http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003041271,00.html
[10:35] <obany> hapens more there but only small ones... not like this
[10:35] <obany> unusual
[10:37] <QueenVee> yes, there's just been too many instances of things that have "never happened before".....
[10:37] <obany> i agree
[10:38] <obany> and yet lot of people are still stubborn and don't want to see those changes
[10:39] <scooby> brb
[10:39] <scooby> gonna try this new hostmask thingee
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[10:41] <Aaaaa> hi all
[10:42] <Dsarith> Hi aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[10:42] <Aaaaa> no flooding!!!!!!!
[10:42] <Dsarith> :-)
[10:42] <Aaaaa> what a mess last nite!
[10:43] <Dsarith> I heard
[10:43] <obany> might be an idea to have some more ops .. trustable people that is
[10:43] <Aaaaa> Queen been updated?
[10:43] <Dsarith> Yep
[10:43] <obany> anyway will return later
[10:43] <Aaaaa> good
[10:43] <Dsarith> As soon as she came in
[10:43] <Dsarith> Cya Obany
[10:43] <Aaaaa> by OB
[10:43] <scooby> obany
[10:44] <scooby> that didnt werk
[10:44] <scooby> o well
[10:44] <scooby> its like a catch 22
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[10:44] <scooby> hiya tex
[10:44] <Dsarith> WB Tex
[10:44] <scooby> exciting nite last nite, eh?
[10:44] * obany is now known as obaway
[10:45] <tex-at-work> hi all and yes it looked like it got exciting right after I left
[10:45] <scooby> pretty much
[10:45] <scooby> and you thought we didn't need to worry...
[10:45] <scooby> lol
[10:45] <Aaaaa> Scoob...thanks for that link on flooding,now I know how one person can screw it up for all
[10:45] <QueenVee> hi Aaaaa, yes, been updated
[10:45] <scooby> so you were able to comprehend that mumbo jumbo?
[10:46] <scooby> lol
[10:46] <Aaaaa> Hi Queen
[10:46] <tex-at-work> i don't know what you could have done
[10:46] <Aaaaa> Scoob, yes
[10:46] <scooby> set the channel to invite only, apparently
[10:46] <tex-at-work> what was the link scooby
[10:46] <scooby> one sec
[10:46] <scooby> http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm
[10:46] <scooby> from Steve Gibson's site
[10:47] <scooby> also, if you are interested in the latest style of DDOS attacks, check out this link:
[10:47] <scooby> http://grc.com/dos/drdos.htm
[10:47] <scooby> very interesting stuff
[10:48] <scooby> thankfully, tho, a couple server ops were not far away
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[10:48] <QueenVee> oh, i would have been useless if i'd been here, no doubt
[10:48] <scooby> only lasted about 15 minutes or so
[10:48] <QueenVee> hello Druithne
[10:48] <Cruithne> hi
[10:48] <scooby> QV: I was actually trembling, as if there was any way I could be attacked...
[10:48] <scooby> lol
[10:49] <scooby> got the blood pumping tho
[10:49] <scooby> up till 4 AM
[10:49] <scooby> lol
[10:49] <Aaaaa> I was executed with a K-line!
[10:49] <scooby> yeah, that was kinda funny
[10:49] <scooby> maybe a new nick for you?
[10:50] <scooby> aaaaaa is very suspicious... especially since 9-11
[10:50] <scooby> lol
[10:50] <Aaaaa> innocent I tell you! innocent!
[10:50] <scooby> guilty until priven innocent
[10:50] <scooby> proven, even
[10:50] <Aaaaa> :(
[10:50] <QueenVee> scooby: yeah, i remember the first time it happened to me... i had the same reaction....
[10:50] <scooby> 170 ppl joined your room all at once?
[10:51] <Aaaaa> a record
[10:51] <scooby> hope this doesn't over flood me off the channel...
[10:51] <scooby> #poleshiftdiscussion scooby puuwb dqnn drea uqwry giqhmw uqcls efqj qefpuz aiyr opluj jvyd kqbcmu kigfv wtus znhg wsyh dgrtit yarjey gvzi mauj zevxcz dzmny htsr qjzr rduhu idora sxdsb tuzlz rsoqbb fxkzfe zpml zyjsca bhtr kadkrw gbejhn qnufkb emxpkz udvasr rdona evck mdvlum inhvh mkpop ozje tpme rlusdu wbitn jutunr kcdbq oyojui qejibd mgzcvj ldzj gqzlp janlva wutv vawzo ysgnqa iznfqx zwlsvj lmgcw nxqlgo jadsqd bgzxvf wstc cqlc tmlguu
[10:51] <scooby> -
[10:51] <scooby> #poleshiftdiscussion yaamye dltz tealti cyhr jvbw qfcy vxobo clphrh gkssig pyfz jcicr cqcb pczb ytitnz yamqi fmvz kazah kxwvto htqum qlfwq qmljh qpyb bgdvd yikyaf xjhb ushj rwzj thccy kukkh uwczg pamyzt xrsjl urafj csips mjxxg rjlde ndsekp howas jdbiht gfsyqd cuvzde atcq lfclc cmtlq mobd pcycba nmbos owzrn tvkpdr ueaj adogah vmhn epwzjk aqaeld ajjop vwmr iefwp czjdm xxtdi gpht zgbq lysck llxvoj damo ekbaci bsxzs @OpServ tposxe @Ralf
[10:51] <QueenVee> scooby: yeah, same thing happened
[10:51] <scooby> -
[10:51] <scooby> #poleshiftdiscussion cantsend2chanel @tex-away []GregACNJ Aaaaa ydgrasil @tied2 vn Terminal ink-AFK raincityAFK @Dsarith juditness @ChanServ JurAFK
[10:51] <scooby> #poleshiftdiscussion End of /NAMES list.
[10:52] <scooby> that was after i quit and rejoined, just before they all got booted
[10:52] <scooby> oic
[10:53] <scooby> you can see how aaaaaa would get swept up in that mess
[10:53] <Aaaaa> yup
[10:53] <scooby> how did you get back in?
[10:53] <Aaaaa> had to keep trying
[10:54] <Aaaaa> lucky i guess
[10:54] <scooby> persistance pays off
[10:54] <scooby> i think jurian was monitoring the attempts to join the server very closely after that happened
[10:54] <QueenVee> i'll bet
[10:54] <scooby> so maybe he let you back in
[10:55] <Aaaaa> sent an e-mail to humvee asking for help
[10:55] <scooby> oic
[10:55] <scooby> good idea
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[10:57] <islander> hi all
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[10:58] <Hillel_Work> Hi!
[10:58] <QueenVee> hello Hillel -- what brings you to this room?
[10:58] <QueenVee> hi islander
[10:58] <scooby> do you workfor Hillel?
[10:59] <Hillel_Work> i was here yesterday also, my nick was doktor :)
[10:59] <Hillel_Work> now i am currently working
[10:59] <scooby> better change that nick...  QV is easily confused
[10:59] <scooby> lol
[10:59] <QueenVee> Doktor: please stick to one nickname on this list, otherwise it's too confusing
[10:59] <QueenVee> scooby: yes, quite right
[11:00] <Hillel_Work> Queen: ok but i prefer Hillel
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[11:00] <QueenVee> Hillel: okay, then please stick to that -- OK?
[11:00] <Hillel_Work> OK
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[11:00] <QueenVee> hello Poleshift
[11:00] <PoleShift> greetings
[11:01] <PoleShift> how are you?
[11:01] <PoleShift> and everybody?
[11:01] <QueenVee> good, very busy....
[11:01] <PoleShift> understood
[11:01] <scooby> hia poleshift
[11:01] <scooby> and islander
[11:02] <islander> hi scoob
[11:02] <scooby> hillel: tyoe this and then hit enter: /nick Doktor
[11:02] <scooby> nm
[11:02] <PoleShift> can't stay long, but here are some more good links for everyone... =)
[11:03] <PoleShift> http://re-energy.ca/t-i_waterbuild-1.shtml
[11:03] <scooby> miss one line and you miss a whole conversation
[11:03] <PoleShift> http://re-energy.ca/pdf/cp2.pdf
[11:03] <PoleShift> print out & start building! ;)
[11:03] <PoleShift> happy trails =)
[11:03] <scooby> nice link PS
[11:03] <PoleShift> 'till we meet again
[11:03] <PoleShift> =)
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[11:04] <QueenVee> good thing reticuli wasn't here
[11:04] <scooby> why
[11:05] <QueenVee> he hates Poleshift
[11:05] <scooby> lol
[11:05] <scooby> they must be related
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[11:06] <scooby> hia woogles
[11:06] <woogles> 'lo
[11:06] <scooby> brb... gonna get some breakfast
[11:07] <QueenVee> scooby: wait
[11:07] <QueenVee> hello woogles
[11:07] <woogles> hello QueenVee
[11:07] <QueenVee> guy asks me a question, then leaves before i can answer....
[11:07] <woogles> sounds frustrating
[11:08] <scooby> ok
[11:08] <scooby> im still here
[11:08] <scooby> lol
[11:12] * Dsarith is now known as Dsarith-away
[11:12] <islander> here's one for the gang all present here
[11:12] <islander> have a look and let me know what you think
[11:13] <islander> http://members.shaw.ca/makeugohmm/seismic.htm
[11:13] <scooby> brb
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[11:15] <QueenVee> listened to Mark Hazelwood on a radio program last night
[11:15] <QueenVee> what a complete goof
[11:15] <woogles> what's he on about this time?
[11:16] <QueenVee> oh, singing the praises of McCanney, dissing ZetaTalk, telling everyone how he's too broke to prepare for the poleshift, rambling on incoherently about PX....
[11:17] <woogles> sounds familiar
[11:17] <scooby> what radio show?
[11:17] <QueenVee> can't remember, someone provided a link to it here last night, and i just hooked up....
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[11:19] <QueenVee> hey tex
[11:20] <tex-at-work> well
[11:20] <tex-at-work> hi
[11:20] <scooby> hia tex
[11:21] <tex-at-work> i see i my machine at home.. is getting active
[11:22] <tex-at-work> you know scooby it never went off during all the activity lastnight
[11:22] <scooby> kewl
[11:22] <scooby> did you get flooded at home?
[11:23] <tex-at-work> several times
[11:23] <islander> did anyone get to the cause of all that fun?
[11:23] <tex-at-work> not that i know of... would have to ask Ralf
[11:23] <scooby> tex: do you have a new IP for your router?
[11:24] <islander> seems to be an evening occurrance now
[11:24] <scooby> or are you using the same one as last nite?
[11:24] <tex-at-work> same
[11:24] <scooby> you should change it
[11:24] <tex-at-work> like how am i going to get cox to give me a new number
[11:24] <scooby> spoof a MAC address into the router and reboot the modem
[11:24] <scooby> this will pull down a brand new IP for you
[11:25] <scooby> little known trick
[11:25] <tex-at-work> and just how do i do that
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[11:30] <QueenVee> tex: sorry, i'm in the middle of helping scooby solve his authentication problem; he'll be with you in a sec
[11:31] <tex-at-work> np QV
[11:31] <tex-at-work> i'll be back in a few.. need to go check on something
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[11:33] <QueenVee> hello vaulb -- have you been here before?
[11:34] <vaulb> yes
[11:35] <QueenVee> finland, right?
[11:35] <vaulb> yep
[11:35] <QueenVee> still pretty cold there?
[11:35] <vaulb> well it was pretty cold today
[11:35] <QueenVee> what's the temp?
[11:36] <vaulb> tomorrow it's gonna be even 36 celsius
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[11:36] <QueenVee> oh my god
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[11:36] <vaulb> today it was only minus 10
[11:36] <QueenVee> it's only -20c here, and that's cold enough for me
[11:36] <QueenVee> SCOOBY: ta da!
[11:36] <vaulb> tomorrow im gonna freeze to death :D
[11:37] * scooby-afk is now known as scooby
[11:37] <scooby> well, that took long enough to change nick
[11:37] <scooby> ty my Queen
[11:37] <QueenVee> :-)
[11:37] <QueenVee> islander: are you still there?
[11:37] <islander> yep
[11:38] <scooby> QV: may I go eat now?
[11:38] <scooby> lol
[11:38] <scooby> brb
[11:38] <QueenVee> islander: have i added you as an op yet?
[11:38] <QueenVee> scooby: you may
[11:38] <scooby> ty
[11:38] <islander> no
[11:38] <QueenVee> islander: i'd like to add you as an op, is that agreeable to you?
[11:38] <islander> ok
[11:38] <QueenVee> okay, i'll take you through it privately....
[11:41] <vaulb> http://www.stratovarius.com/forum/viewtopic.php?TopicID=2248    queenvee read this first one :D
[11:41] <QueenVee> okay, hold on....
[11:41] <vaulb> "weather in finland"
[11:43] <QueenVee> wow, so last march it was really warm in finland....
[11:43] <vaulb> :)
[11:44] <vaulb> well now it's been extremely cold
[11:44] <QueenVee> yes, well, that's the characteristic of this weird weather -- up and down
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[11:49] <QueenVee> hey ret -- aw, darn, you just missed Poleshift
[11:49] <reticuli> too bad ;) I guess it just was not meant to be
[11:51] <vaulb> so when does the px come? (i forgot)
[11:51] <QueenVee> May 15, 2003
[11:51] <woogles> eh?
[11:51] <QueenVee> eh what woogles?
[11:52] <reticuli> http://www.homedespot.com/
[11:52] <woogles> wait, I'm lost again. is that when the earth starts to slow, when ps happens, or what?
[11:53] <QueenVee> May 15, 2003 is when the poleshift will occur (give or take a day or two)
[11:53] <woogles> k that's what i thought, so really planet x comes before then
[11:54] <QueenVee> no, that's when planet X passes
[11:54] <QueenVee> Planet X passing causes the poleshift
[11:55] <scooby> lol @ reticuli
[11:55] <scooby> good site
[11:55] <reticuli> ;)
[11:55] <reticuli> good ps prep site ;)
[11:56] <scooby> man, we're having some major earth changes here in san diego...  sunny and 73 today
[11:56] <scooby> normally sunny and 72
[11:56] <scooby> lol
[11:56] <QueenVee> 73? what is the usual temperature at this time of year?
[11:56] <scooby> around that
[11:56] <reticuli> <scooby> normally sunny and 72
[11:57] <scooby> sorry, just being a smart ass
[11:58] <Aaaaa> give a man some power.....
[11:58] <scooby> lol
[11:58] <scooby> havent actually stepped outside, but it looks gorgeous
[11:58] <scooby> i will go out in a minute and report back
[11:58] <scooby> lol
[11:58] <scooby> poor finlandians....
[11:58] <reticuli> weather is slightly warmer here this year due to el nino. This is probably the most notmal winter we have had in 5 years
[11:58] <scooby> san diego will be an underwater exhibit soon enough
[11:59] <QueenVee> scooby: a woman came here a couple of times who lives just south of San Diego, who swore up and down she didn't need to locate, convinced that her area would survive the shift..... dream on.....
[12:00] <scooby> lol
[12:00] <reticuli> lol
[12:00] <scooby> there are parts of the city that are quite a bit away from the water
[12:00] <scooby> such as the mountains of Julian
[12:01] <scooby> and Ramona
[12:01] <scooby> about 45 minutes away
[12:01] <QueenVee> scooby: ZT says that in that area the waves will go OVER the mountains....
[12:01] <scooby> do you remember where she was located?
[12:01] <QueenVee> tidal bore
[12:01] <scooby> i know... i am preparing to tread water
[12:01] <scooby> lol
[12:02] <scooby> or surf the best waves ever
[12:02] <reticuli> 'surfs up bro'!!!
[12:03] <QueenVee> scooby: i believe it was Riverside
[12:03] <scooby> lol
[12:03] <scooby> that is north and inland a bit
[12:04] <scooby> might be OK, how far in will the water come - 100 miles?
[12:04] <reticuli> i think the earthquakes might be the biggest probleme there
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[12:05] <scooby> we dont have a problem with earthquakes here in california, what are you talking about?
[12:05] <QueenVee> hehe
[12:05] <QueenVee> earthquakes -- what are those?
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[12:05] <scooby> they are ground shakers
[12:05] <Aaaaa> from 40000' the west coast of Mexico from Puerto Vallarta north shows obvious massive ocean flooding, same ripples in massive size as you see at your feet at the beach
[12:06] <QueenVee> remember that old song? "It Never Rains in Southern California".....
[12:06] <scooby> in the summer
[12:06] <QueenVee> "It Never Quakes in Southern California"....
[12:06] <scooby> another government lie!
[12:08] <scooby> i am gonna step out for a minute...
[12:08] * scooby is now known as scooby-afk
[12:08] <QueenVee> stepping out, with my baby, can't be wrong, cause i'm so right...
[12:09] * ChanServ sets mode: +o islander
[12:09] <QueenVee> islander: CONGRATS!
[12:10] <QueenVee> that's all there is to it, my friend
[12:10] <QueenVee> just remember to authenticate everytime you log in
[12:10] <QueenVee> islander: now, do you know how to kick and ban?
[12:12] <islander> right click looks handy on highlight
[12:12] <islander> in MIRC
[12:13] <scooby-afk> islander: you can set mIRC to auth you automatically too
[12:13] <QueenVee> scooby: really?
[12:13] <QueenVee> so tell me!
[12:13] <juditness> that is probably the lamest mirc feature. :/
[12:13] <juditness> righclick ban, that is.
[12:13] <QueenVee> juditness: how so?
[12:13] <juditness> it is slow
[12:13] <scooby-afk> File OPtions
[12:13] <scooby-afk> click on perform
[12:13] <juditness> and gives you no opportunity to include a real ban message.
[12:14] <juditness> so people usually don't know why they are banned.
[12:14] <scooby-afk> then enter the commands to perform on joining the server
[12:14] <scooby-afk> i think she is refering to the right click, yes?
[12:14] <juditness> besides, it bans with a type 2 ban, which is easy to evade for dialup users or on networks which have the +x (hide hostmask) mode enabled.
[12:14] <scooby-afk> QV: you can set mIRC to autojoin as many channels as you want
[12:15] <scooby-afk> using Perform option
[12:15] <juditness> only 15
[12:15] <juditness> =P
[12:15] <scooby-afk> ok, you can only join up to 15 channels
[12:15] <scooby-afk> but who has that many?  Maybe juditness?
[12:15] <scooby-afk> ;)
[12:15] <woogles> 15 channels..damn]
[12:15] <juditness> damn right i do
[12:15] <scooby-afk> lol
[12:15] <juditness> i wish i could be in more
[12:15] <scooby-afk> max it out sista
[12:15] <juditness> =/
[12:16] <woogles> open another mirc
[12:16] <QueenVee> juditness: i just made islander an op and he's not like to have to do much banning, so the right click ban is sufficient for him
[12:16] <QueenVee> brb
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[12:16] <scooby-afk> ok, now I am really going out
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[12:16] <QueenVee> scooby: didn't work
[12:16] <scooby-afk> dropping like flies they are
[12:17] <juditness> rightclick is a lot more difficult than just using an alias. =x
[12:17] <QueenVee> i checked the box "enable perform on connect", but it doesn't automatically op me
[12:17] <woogles> yeah, you have to move the mouse, and then figure out which button is "right"
[12:17] <juditness> /bk /ban # $$1 3 | /kick # $$1 $2-
[12:18] <juditness> you have to add that to your aliases and from then on all you have to do is type /bk nickname ban reason
[12:18] <scooby-afk> QV: you need to fill in the action to be performed
[12:18] <islander> I think I may just read the manual. I won't play soccer until I know the game
[12:18] <QueenVee> okay, juditness -- and if i don't want to give a reason, will it still work?
[12:19] <juditness> yes
[12:19] <juditness> =)
[12:19] <QueenVee> how is that any faster than the right click kick/ban?
[12:19] <islander> I'll just slap around a bit
[12:19] * islander slaps islander around a bit with a large trout
[12:20] <QueenVee> scuse me, brb
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[12:20] * ChanServ sets mode: +o QueenVee
[12:20] <scooby-afk> judit: thanks for the popup  info
[12:20] <scooby-afk> QV: TADA!
[12:20] <QueenVee> cool!
[12:20] <juditness> yw =P
[12:20] <scooby-afk> aint it
[12:20] <QueenVee> thanks scoob
[12:20] <scooby-afk> you scratch my back i'll scratch yers
[12:20] <scooby-afk> :-)
[12:21] <QueenVee> juditness: of course, now i've lost what you gave me to add to my aliases, can you post that again, along with the relevant command?
[12:21] <scooby-afk> oh right there, a little lower...
[12:21] <QueenVee> scooby: oh....ooooh.. yeah.... right there.....
[12:21] <scooby-afk> QV:  /bk /ban # $$1 3 | /kick # $$1 $2-
[12:21] <QueenVee> lol
[12:21] <juditness> type /alias /bk /ban # $$1 3 | /kick # $$1 $2-
[12:21] <juditness> and it's quicker because it requires no mouse usage
[12:21] <juditness> and endless search for options
[12:21] <scooby-afk> I have added it as a right click popup
[12:21] <juditness> and then there are no timers
[12:21] <QueenVee> well, assuming you can type with more than one finger
[12:22] * juditness stares at scooby-afk
[12:22] <juditness> you can always use the tab key.
[12:22] * scooby-afk waves at juditness
[12:22] <QueenVee> okay, i've done that
[12:22] <QueenVee> now, what do i do now if i want to kick/ban scooby?
[12:22] <scooby-afk> lol
[12:22] <scooby-afk> lemme do that for you
[12:23] * scooby-afk was kicked by scooby-afk (scooby-afk)
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[12:23] * ChanServ sets mode: +o scooby-afk
[12:23] <scooby-afk> lol
[12:23] <QueenVee> seriously, juditness, what do i type if i want to kick/ban someone, now that i've added that alias?
[12:24] <juditness> you type /bk theirnick banreason
[12:24] <QueenVee> okay, and what were you saying about using the tab key?
[12:25] <QueenVee> juditness: does the ban appear on the ban list that i call up by clicking on my screen?
[12:25] <QueenVee> and can i remove it by that means?
[12:25] <juditness> yes.
[12:25] <scooby-afk> now, i am going outside and there is nothing any of you can do to stop me
[12:25] <scooby-afk> bwahahahahahaha
[12:26] <QueenVee> bye scoob
[12:26] <QueenVee> reticuli? are you still here?
[12:26] <reticuli> yep
[12:26] <QueenVee> okay, i'm gonna test this out on you
[12:26] <QueenVee> i'm gonna kick/ban you, and then immediately remove the ban so you can get back on, ok?
[12:26] <reticuli> uhhm, ok
[12:27] * QueenVee sets mode: +b *!*nico@*.metro1.com
[12:27] * reticuli was kicked by QueenVee (reticuli)
[12:27] <QueenVee> cool
[12:27] * QueenVee sets mode: -b *!*nico@*.metro1.com
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[12:27] <QueenVee> hey! i like it!
[12:27] <reticuli> :)
[12:27] <QueenVee> thanks Juditness!
[12:27] <juditness> yw =)
[12:28] <islander> I can see it now when the bowl gets passed again and it's a slow night
[12:28] <islander> op wars
[12:28] <QueenVee> but i can see where using the right-click method would be easier when someone is using one of those nicks with weird symbols and cases and doo-dads in it.... would be faster than typing....
[12:28] <woogles> Just use tab
[12:29] <Aaaaa> will all this help against things such as last nites flooding?
[12:29] <QueenVee> woogles: explain
[12:29] <woogles> type w and press tab, you should get woogles
[12:29] <QueenVee> hehe
[12:29] <QueenVee> cool
[12:29] <vaulb> queenvee do you know how to op me? ;P
[12:29] <woogles> if there were other people with a w, your may have to press morethan once
[12:29] <QueenVee> vaulb: sorry, you've not been here long enough....
[12:30] <vaulb> :)
[12:31] <QueenVee> well, that sure was fun
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[12:31] <QueenVee> ret: thanks for letting me use you as a guinea pig
[12:31] <QueenVee> hi karmie
[12:31] <karmie> hi - queen and everyone
[12:32] <reticuli> no prob queen
[12:32] <QueenVee> well, excuse me all, i need more caffeine, brb
[12:33] <islander> hi karmie
[12:33] <karmie> hi islander
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[12:36] <scooby-afk> bye islander
[12:37] <scooby-afk> ahhh feeling much better now....
[12:37] * scooby-afk is now known as scooby
[12:37] * scooby coughs
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[12:37] * ChanServ sets mode: +o islander
[12:37] * scooby looks around the room for someone to pass the bowl to...
[12:37] <karmie> wb islander
[12:37] <scooby> wb islander
[12:38] <islander> whoops, soemtimes there are too many windows on the desktop
[12:38] <Aaaaa> got a long arm, Scoob?
[12:38] * scooby passes the bowl to aaaaa
[12:38] <scooby> how's that
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[12:38] <Aaaaa> tanks
[12:38] <scooby> np
[12:38] <scooby> wb shaman
[12:38] <vaulb> how can you write that purple text?
[12:38] <scooby> purple ink
[12:38] <Shaman464> wb?
[12:39] <reticuli> lol
[12:39] <woogles> type /me ....
[12:39] <scooby> have you been here the whole time shaman?
[12:39] <scooby> nm
[12:39] <scooby> just being silly
[12:39] * vaulb I'm me
[12:39] <Shaman464> no, i just got back form school
[12:39] <Shaman464> lol ok
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[12:39] * scooby thinks vaulb is very creative
[12:40] * scooby waves at Tex
[12:40] <from_Texas> :)
[12:40] <Shaman464> hi Tex
[12:40] <from_Texas> i have a new number scooby
[12:40] * vaulb scratches neck
[12:40] <from_Texas> hi Shaman464
[12:40] <scooby> heh heh
[12:40] * scooby passes the bowl to vaulb as he is obviously in need of a hit
[12:40] * vaulb is going to watch tv
[12:41] * vaulb looks bowl and puts it away and then goes away
[12:41] <Shaman464> what does the + mean?
[12:42] * Shaman464 feels stupid for asking
[12:42] <scooby> not sure, but i think it has something to do with voice and op power
[12:42] <scooby> judit?
[12:42] <juditness> hmm?
[12:43] <Shaman464> i have a new slogen for the war rwith iraq
[12:43] <Shaman464> with*
[12:43] <scooby> can you answer shaman's question?
[12:44] <scooby> and the slogan shaman>
[12:44] <scooby> ?
[12:45] <Shaman464> stupid war for a stupid man
[12:45] <scooby> lol
[12:45] <Shaman464> a stupid war for a stupid man*
[12:45] <scooby> try an oil war for an oil man
[12:45] <reticuli> lol
[12:45] <scooby> same concept
[12:45] <Shaman464> hehe
[12:47] <Shaman464> well we are getting more desprite to get off this doomed rock
[12:48] <reticuli> whos we?
[12:48] <Shaman464> the US
[12:48] <woogles> lol not like we have anywhere to go
[12:48] <reticuli> im content here, its only transitory
[12:48] <Cruithne> it's a living planet
[12:48] <Shaman464> we are building a nuclear powered rocket
[12:49] <reticuli> humanity, in its current form will never get off this planet
[12:49] <reticuli> shaman, r u refering to project prometheus?
[12:49] <Shaman464> yeap
[12:49] <reticuli> who told you that we would be building it?
[12:50] <woogles> and where will the rocket go? a few little humans in space wont last long
[12:50] <karmie> I think Old Blue Eyes had the right idea:  Fly me to the moon
[12:50] <karmie> Let me sing among those stars
[12:50] <karmie> Let me see what spring is like
[12:50] <karmie> On Jupiter and Mars
[12:50] <reticuli> cold
[12:50] <islander> sounds like a way to spend a lot of money in a hurry
[12:51] <Shaman464> o i think we are building it just to get away
[12:51] <woogles> those are all anti-human places, eventually equipment would break and they would die.
[12:51] <islander> do you suppose it will all get used on the nuclear rocket?
[12:51] <reticuli> shaman, do you have a link?
[12:51] <reticuli> I had heard that it was a proposal only
[12:51] <Shaman464> nope all i have is www.coasttocoastam.com
[12:51] <reticuli> I just heard about it from richard hoaxland on coast
[12:52] <Shaman464> me too
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[12:52] <reticuli> well, short of an announcement tonight from his idiocy I dont think we will see it
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[12:52] <reticuli> according to haoxland anyway
[12:52] <QueenVee> hi, back
[12:52] <reticuli> hoaxland
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[12:54] <Shaman464> we have whether we say it or not
[12:54] <QueenVee> well, if they are seriously looking at escaping to mars, then it would be difficult to hide what the intend to build -- so i guess they'd have to make an announcement about it
[12:55] <QueenVee> but, when you think about it, it's a really strange thing to be committing to, money-wise, when the US is facing this big expensive war....
[12:55] <reticuli> thats pretty simplistic shaman, its one thing to say that we have done research in this area, its another thing to say its been built
[12:55] * islander is now known as islanderafk
[12:55] <QueenVee> well, it'll be worth a question to ZT this week....
[12:55] <reticuli> queen, its like star wars, welfare for scientists
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[12:55] <Hillel> hi again
[12:56] <QueenVee> hello WC, Hillel
[12:56] <West_coast> hello
[12:56] <QueenVee> ALL: Hillel has been here before, under the nick "doktor", but will be using Hillel now...
[12:56] <reticuli> another doctor!!!
[12:57] <Hillel> nono! :)
[12:57] <Hillel> doktor!
[12:57] <reticuli> whatever
[12:57] <Hillel> are there more?
[12:57] <Shaman464> bye all
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[12:58] <QueenVee> ret: on the other hand, i guess it could be just another big distraction....
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[12:58] <reticuli> its an old joke,,,, people using doctor in some incarnation to make themselves seem more authoritative in IRC
[12:58] <QueenVee> hello term
[12:58] <reticuli> queen, thats true
[13:00] <Hillel> do anyone here tarot divinations?
[13:00] <Hillel> does
[13:01] <QueenVee> apparently not -- why?
[13:02] <reticuli> what I find so hillarious is the arrogance evidenced in the US press and these bullshit pundits who talk about Saddam hiding behind civilians... COme on!!! Isnt that what a millitary does, defends its populace. If the Us was under attack do you think the army would evacuate all populated areas (unless they were going to let the enemy in and then Nuke em or use chemicals) so that the civilians could be "liberated" rather than killed
[13:02] <reticuli> yes hillel, i do
[13:02] <Hillel> i tried to figure out what is coming regarding PX with a tarot divination...
[13:03] <reticuli> actually, the US millitary would prolly put us all in work camps and burn the cities down rahter than let the enemy have them
[13:03] <Hillel> but it was very strange
[13:03] <reticuli> what type of reading did you do?
[13:03] <Hillel> celtic cross
[13:03] <reticuli> what did you ger?
[13:03] <reticuli> get?
[13:03] <QueenVee> ret: too rue
[13:03] <QueenVee> too true
[13:03] <Aaaaa> gotta get back to work, later all
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[13:04] <Hillel> reticuli: nothing special. the whole reading was chaotic, absolutely meaningless
[13:04] <reticuli> sounds like you operator error ;)
[13:05] <reticuli> or perhaps it merely reflected your feelings towards the subject
[13:05] <Hillel> reticuli: maybe ;) But after that reading i found on ZetaTalk webpage, that a psychic could not forsee after the summer 2003...
[13:06] <reticuli> what was your question?
[13:06] <Hillel> it was strange, because the cards ALWAYS say something...
[13:07] <Hillel> "Will there be a cataclysm regarding PX in spring 2003?"
[13:07] <reticuli> well, thats prior to summer 2003
[13:08] <Hillel> yes its true
[13:08] <reticuli> do another reading in a few days
[13:08] <Hillel> did you also do a reading?
[13:08] <karmie> Hillel - what was the last card - the final outcome?
[13:08] <Hillel> VIII of Cups
[13:09] <Hillel> 1. II of Cups
[13:09] <Hillel> 2. Page of Cups
[13:10] <Hillel> 3. XXI
[13:10] <Hillel> 4. II of Wands
[13:10] <Hillel> 5. Queen of Wands
[13:10] <Hillel> 6. King of Wands
[13:10] <Hillel> 7. VI of Pentacles
[13:10] <Hillel> 8. IX of Swords
[13:11] <Hillel> 9. Page of Wands
[13:11] <reticuli> lots of court cards
[13:11] <Hillel> 10. VIII of Cups
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[13:12] <Hillel> i expected to be shown either delusion or catastrophe, or sg meaningful...
[13:12] <karmie> VIII - eight of cups - desire to leave material success for something higher - abandonment of one's present mode of life.
[13:12] <obaway> hi
[13:12] <QueenVee> hello obany
[13:12] <karmie> looks pretty plain to me - I think they answered you.
[13:12] <Hillel> hi obaway
[13:13] * from_Texas is now known as tex-away
[13:13] <reticuli> hillel, the cards are telling you something else I imagine, rahter than trying to put the answer into the dichotomy you created in the question look to what they may be advising you
[13:13] * obaway is now known as obany
[13:13] <Hillel> karmie: it is too little for me... the cards usualyy have much more meaning, when i do a reading
[13:13] * ChanServ sets mode: +o obany
[13:13] <tex-away> !down
[13:13] * ChanServ sets mode: -o tex-away
[13:13] <QueenVee> karmie: yes, perhaps his mistake is in expecting PX to be shown as something negative and distructive; when in fact it can be seen as something positive a d new
[13:14] <reticuli> lol karmie, so there wont be a poleshift but hilele will become a wandering ascetic
[13:14] <karmie> queen - agree
[13:14] <Hillel> maybe you are right ;)
[13:14] <karmie> reticuli - lol
[13:15] <reticuli> if you are looking for a worthy charity to contribute your estate to let me know hilly
[13:15] <Hillel> ok :)
[13:16] <karmie> This is the explanation:  A man with a staff walk away from all that he previously held dear.  The eight cups stacked so neatly show his previous concern and care.  Now he turns his back on them and heads toward the barren mountains.
[13:17] <karmie> Perhaps he is seeking something higher than material success and pleasures.
[13:17] <reticuli> maybe his wife took the house and the kids and he is no homeless
[13:18] <reticuli> he is homeless (so)
[13:18] <Hillel> the first two card at least must show the subject itself. but it shows something like an encounter with a friend...
[13:19] <reticuli> hillel, the first card speaks to your general environement surronding the question, that could be a person
[13:19] <reticuli> the second card speaks to obstacles or things that will assist you in the inquiry, once again it could be a person
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[13:20] <Hillel> the cards align to the reader's interpretation... and i read the first two cards a bit differently...
[13:21] <reticuli> i was resonding to your requirement that <Hillel> the first two card at least must show the subject itself. but it shows something like an encounter with a friend...
[13:22] <karmie> page of cups is also known as the princess of waters and lotus of the palace of the floods
[13:22] <reticuli> later shifters
[13:22] <Hillel> reticuli: thats why i said that the whole reading was meaningless to me. thats very rare if it occurs at all
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[13:23] <karmie> Hillel- I think this reading is very meaningful - maybe you don't want to hear what the cards are telling you.
[13:24] <Hillel> karmie: to me it is leaning towards emotional kind of things.
[13:24] <Hillel> karmie: yes, it can be
[13:24] <QueenVee> well, a tarot reading is only as insightful as the person reading the cards
[13:24] <Hillel> Queen: thats absolutely true
[13:25] <karmie> Hillel - we all have free will in determining what the cards say to each of us
[13:25] <karmie> queen - true
[13:26] * Dsarith-away is now known as Dsarith
[13:27] <Dsarith> I want a reading
[13:27] <Dsarith> :-)
[13:27] <Hillel> what i wanted to say is that my reading didnt show a cataclysm, neither the opposite...
[13:27] <karmie> heheheh - we had better put these cards away before John Ashcroft gets us all!
[13:29] <Hillel> who is he? :)
[13:29] <Dsarith> He is the one who doesnt count
[13:29] <Dsarith> Bad Man!
[13:29] <QueenVee> he's the anti-christ
[13:29] <QueenVee> or one of them, anyway
[13:29] <West_coast> :)
[13:29] <QueenVee> talk about the banality of evil
[13:30] <karmie> lolol - barren mountains and floods aren't cataclysms enough?
[13:31] <QueenVee> news from australia today: "Two blazes have joined in Victoria's north-east creating a massive fire front of about 140 kilometres long"
[13:31] <West_coast> wow...they were worried about that
[13:32] <QueenVee> yep
[13:33] <QueenVee> and how's this for a weird story: http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=42105
[13:34] <karmie> here is a site telling about the Observatory that burned there:http://skyandtelescope.com/news/current/article_848_1.asp
[13:34] <West_coast> QV: what is it about?
[13:35] <QueenVee> SCIENTISTS from Indian Meteorology Department (IMD) and the Geological Survey of India rushed to Lodhika taluka on Monday, to investigate reports about some dark liquid oozing out of the earth in Dhuliya-Domra village. A team also visited Gomta village of Gondal taluka after villagers reported that a 10-feet long crack had appeared on Patel Samaj Road.
[13:35] <QueenVee> In the past eight months, this is the third incident of its kind reported from Gomta village, said Nandaniya. ‘‘Some lava-like substance had oozed out the earth near the check dam in Gomta on June 18, 2002. A crack, around two-feet long, had appeared on Dhumketu Road on November 21. Before the crack appeared, a low-intensity blast was heard, followed by the release of some gaseous matter.
[13:36] <QueenVee> News of ‘some black substance’ oozing out of the earth was reported from Dhuliya-Domra village on Sunday. ‘‘One of the villagers approached the IMD team and showed them samples of the black lava-like substance. The person also reported that deep holes were noticed in the piece of land nearby.
[13:37] <West_coast> thank you
[13:37] <QueenVee> well, i need to take the hound out for his afternoon romp == be back here later
[13:37] <karmie> this is weird
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[13:37] <West_coast> karmie: what is wierd?
[13:39] <karmie> queen's article of lava - like substance
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[13:40] <Dsarith> WB Tied
[13:40] <tied2> «§» Hello Dsarith «§»
[13:43] <Dsarith> We were all talking about how weird you were
[13:43] <Dsarith> :-)
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[13:45] <GalacticExplorer> Hi
[13:45] <Dsarith> Hi GE
[13:46] <GalacticExplorer> What is the special today?
[13:47] <West_coast> hillel is having a special on Tarot readings
[13:47] <Dsarith> Black lava with a side of rumbling
[13:47] <GalacticExplorer> heh
[13:47] <West_coast> :)
[13:47] <GalacticExplorer> :-)
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[13:51] <karmie> see you guys later
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[13:51] <Dsarith> cya K
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[13:58] <GalacticExplorer> wow 4 at once
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[13:59] <obany> GalacticExplorer: i am now on that splitted server ...
[13:59] <obany> also
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[14:03] <islander> wb queen
[14:03] <obany> okay channel is back on track so it seems
[14:03] <GalacticExplorer> welcome back all
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[14:11] <islander> all quiet, who's left?
[14:11] <islander> and who'ds remaining?
[14:11] <scooby-afk> still here sorta
[14:11] <GalacticExplorer> I am here, sort of
[14:11] <islander> 1
[14:11] <scooby-afk> about to go to werk
[14:11] <Terminal> i am here
[14:11] <islander> 2
[14:11] <Dsarith> I am here
[14:11] <Dsarith> Here I am
[14:11] <islander> 3
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[14:12] <tied2> I'm nor here
[14:12] <Dsarith> WB Tied
[14:12] <tied2> not
[14:12] <islander> 4
[14:12] <Terminal> hello
[14:13] <tied2> Obany if my IP changes will my hostmask still work?
[14:14] <obany> well maybe using some * ... so that your range will be recognized would work
[14:16] <tied2> thanks
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[14:19] <obany> he
[14:21] * obany laters
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[14:23] <scooby-afk> hrm
[14:24] <scooby-afk> wonder what's going on withall these hi byes
[14:24] <Dsarith> I think its you, they dont like you
[14:24] <Dsarith> :-)
[14:25] <scooby-afk> good riddens (?) to bad RUBBISH!
[14:25] <scooby-afk> oops didn't mean to yell
[14:25] <scooby-afk> typing sideways is hard
[14:25] <Dsarith> lol
[14:25] <islander> didn't the games begin when piginthecity came round last night?
[14:25] <scooby-afk> no it was necos
[14:25] <scooby-afk> he'll be back
[14:25] <islander> do you recall who was there when it started?
[14:25] <islander> ok
[14:25] <scooby-afk> not sure who exactly
[14:26] <scooby-afk> but i had seen them all previously
[14:26] <tied2> necos went and complained to Ralf because I booted him lol
[14:26] <scooby-afk> he posted some crazy link looking thing and then again
[14:26] <scooby-afk> tried it and then the madness ensued
[14:26] <scooby-afk> lol tied
[14:26] <scooby-afk> (just because)
[14:26] <tied2> lol
[14:26] <islander> wasn't even a link
[14:27] <scooby-afk> yeah
[14:27] <scooby-afk> maybe something triggered the flood...
[14:27] <scooby-afk> dunno
[14:27] <islander> code this code taht
[14:27] <scooby-afk> pig and vasi were just popping in to the other rooms just now
[14:27] <tied2> just flood bots
[14:27] <scooby-afk> i wonder if someone posted a link
[14:27] <scooby-afk> to these rooms recently
[14:28] <scooby-afk> well, i am off to work, folks
[14:28] <scooby-afk> see ya in a bit
[14:28] <tied2> http://www.internetnews.com/RealMedia/ads/click_lx.cgi/intm/news/www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article/9817/468x60-1/House_Email_Segmentation_1a/webinar-2-6-03-750_new2.gif/31386432663766643365333663326630
[14:31] <islander> tied: you now have the record for the longest link quotation
[14:31] <tied2> lmao
[14:32] <scooby-afk> what is that?
[14:33] <islander> how to spam successfully training?
[14:33] <islander> lol
[14:33] <Dsarith> Looks like it
[14:33] <Dsarith> Why not just say... Open this or you will die :-)
[14:34] <Dsarith> The hard approach
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[14:38] <QueenVee> how about open this and win a million dollars?
[14:38] <Dsarith> Overused... lol
[14:38] <QueenVee> true...
[14:39] <QueenVee> ok.... how about open this and you will go to heaven and enjoy seven vestal virgins....?
[14:39] <Dsarith> I like that!
[14:39] <QueenVee> there ya go
[14:39] <QueenVee> multicultural even
[14:39] <islander> now your talking, do I get to take my body too?
[14:39] <Dsarith> I would open it up
[14:40] <QueenVee> oh -- new email. let's see what new african money scams are in my mailbox now....
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[14:44] <InSomNiaC420> Hey everyone
[14:46] <QueenVee> hi
[14:46] <GalacticExplorer> hi
[14:48] <InSomNiaC420> QV: on the warning from government about natural disasters and possible terrorism attacks..
[14:48] <InSomNiaC420> I haven't read anything about natural disasters about it yet
[14:48] <InSomNiaC420> Err.. warnings of natural disasters
[14:49] <QueenVee> insomnia: it bolded and underlined....
[14:49] <InSomNiaC420> Right...
[14:49] <QueenVee> you mean the article on my site?
[14:49] <InSomNiaC420> I read that
[14:49] <InSomNiaC420> yeah
[14:49] <InSomNiaC420> where did you hear about the warning of natural disasters?
[14:49] <QueenVee> it's in the article, IN BOLD AND UNDERLINED
[14:50] <InSomNiaC420> k
[14:50] <InSomNiaC420> lemme look again
[14:50] <QueenVee> "The message to U.S. citizens advises them to have a supply of prescription medicines on hand, keep their passports up to date and maintain adequate stocks of food in the event of political unrest, natural disasters, or "terror" attacks.... "
[14:50] <InSomNiaC420> Alright, I skimmed through the yahoo article and didn't see it
[14:51] <InSomNiaC420> sorry, having distractions in the house as I was reading
[14:52] <QueenVee> GE: i've looked at your North America map
[14:53] <QueenVee> Galactic Explorer:  ARE YOU THERE?
[14:53] <QueenVee> guess not
[14:53] <QueenVee> brb
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[14:54] <Hillel> Which is Queen's site?
[14:54] <InSomNiaC420> shift2003.com
[14:55] <Hillel> thx
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[14:56] <GalacticExplorer> I am here now ...
[14:56] <Shaman464> hi all
[14:57] <GalacticExplorer> Queen what do you think about the map?
[14:58] <Shaman464> can you send me a link?
[14:58] <Shaman464> the not a
[14:59] <InSomNiaC420> Hey
[14:59] <Shaman464> hi
[15:00] <InSomNiaC420> Well, Im not sure if the land areas are right.. but the graphic part looks nice
[15:00] <GalacticExplorer> shaman are you talking to me?
[15:01] <Shaman464> yea
[15:01] <GalacticExplorer> http://www.atomickiev.com/galaxy_explorer/future_earth.htm
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[15:01] <GalacticExplorer> here is the link
[15:03] <Shaman464> a little off
[15:03] <GalacticExplorer> where?
[15:03] <Shaman464> Michigan
[15:03] <obany> mmm spain is incorrect
[15:04] <Shaman464> this your site?
[15:04] <GalacticExplorer> yes
[15:04] * Shaman464 cough hazelwood cough
[15:04] <GalacticExplorer> hey hey hey
[15:05] <Shaman464> wheres you thanks to Nancy
[15:05] <GalacticExplorer> its incomplete project
[15:05] <GalacticExplorer> add more with time
[15:05] <GalacticExplorer> I have link to her site
[15:06] <Shaman464> but still
[15:06] <Shaman464> give credit where credit is due
[15:07] <GalacticExplorer> Hmmm I agree with you. Looks like I say what Earth will look like. Doesn't it?
[15:07] <Shaman464> ?
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[15:09] <Shaman464> Still cant beat the best!
[15:10] <Shaman464> Nancy being the best
[15:10] <Hillel> who drew that map?
[15:10] <GalacticExplorer> not trying to ...
[15:10] <Shaman464> this is a basic mirror of her site
[15:11] <Shaman464> theyre copyrights on her info you know that right?
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[15:12] <GalacticExplorer> That was a part of my site. This is my site http://www.atomickiev.com/galaxy_explorer/
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[15:12] <GalacticExplorer> Besides she did give me permission to use some of her material
[15:12] <Hillel> GE: my country completely disappeared!
[15:12] <GalacticExplorer> Seriously!
[15:12] <GalacticExplorer> So did mine :-(
[15:13] <Hillel> GE: you are from...
[15:13] <Shaman464> what country you two form?
[15:13] <Hillel> Hungary
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[15:13] <GalacticExplorer> I tried to follow zetatalk as close as possible, but being human I added something, or removed a mountain somewhere ...
[15:13] <GalacticExplorer> Estonia
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[15:14] <Shaman464> i give your site 2 stars
[15:15] <Shaman464> you have stolen alot of info
[15:15] <GalacticExplorer> Its not stolen. I did ask for permission to use it!
[15:15] <Shaman464> form whom?
[15:15] <Shaman464> i see alot of sources
[15:15] <GalacticExplorer> Nancy for one, and from spiritweb.org admins
[15:16] <Shaman464> Courtny brown
[15:16] <Hillel> Shaman: Whats your problem?
[15:16] <Shaman464> did you ask for his?
[15:16] <GalacticExplorer> ?
[15:17] <Shaman464> well i know most of where hes getting his info, you cant just take alittle form one person a little form others and call it your own!
[15:17] <Shaman464> i mean send nancy a link to your site and ask what she thinkd
[15:17] <Shaman464> thinks*
[15:19] <Hillel> Shaman: are you a commander? or what are you talkink about? GE's webpage was very informative and useful for me! It is a great work!
[15:19] <GalacticExplorer> I did send her one when my site was in development.
[15:19] <Hillel> (except that it erased my country :((( )
[15:19] <Shaman464> but you cant take others ideas and findings that is just not right!
[15:20] <GalacticExplorer> Shaman show me where I said that it was mine?
[15:20] <Hillel> hey, everyone takes the info from somewhere!
[15:20] <Shaman464> i mean when you ask for others info then addd your own ideas to it
[15:20] <GalacticExplorer> This is what I said in introduction, first paragraph: "This site is a collection of documents, and my own writings on alien subject, flying saucers, and other phenomena."
[15:20] <obany> well yes, but then at least make a page with the links to the sources
[15:21] <Shaman464> i mean when you ask for others info then addd your own ideas to it
[15:21] <GalacticExplorer> http://www.atomickiev.com/galaxy_explorer/links.htm
[15:21] <GalacticExplorer> Some of them are my ideas
[15:22] <Shaman464> like the poleshift and the map though the map is off in some areas
[15:22] <GalacticExplorer> The ones that have Galaxy Explorer on the bottom of an article
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[15:23] <GalacticExplorer> Shaman map will be off, because I don't have good elevation map
[15:24] <GalacticExplorer> Plus zetas said that there will be a lot of montain building, land sinking and so on
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[15:24] <Shaman464> please site were youve used others ideas
[15:25] <Shaman464> where*
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[15:25] <GalacticExplorer> shaman I do. But some documents were sent to me with no name of the author, or link
[15:26] <GalacticExplorer> For example: On the bottom of Beginnings page it says: "Please visit Spiritweb for more information, documents, and channeling."
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[15:27] <Hillel> These infos are of public interest, so why arguing about copyright, heh?
[15:27] <Shaman464> i mean its a good site im not say anything aganist it but with my site i site where ive used others idea and where ive taken liberities with them
[15:28] <Hillel> thats your business
[15:28] <Shaman464> but some of these peoples lively hoods are in that info, you are stealing bread out of there childrens mouthes
[15:29] <Hillel> ridiculous!
[15:29] <Shaman464> how so
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[15:30] <Shaman464> some people sell that info in books and they need that money!
[15:30] <Hillel> you say NEED? :)))))
[15:30] <Shaman464> some
[15:30] <Shaman464> not all have hit it big
[15:31] <Shaman464> look at bob lazar his site you have to pay for because he needs the money
[15:31] <GalacticExplorer> Shaman. I want to bring information to the reader. My site is a collection of documents, I don't want to edit other peoples' documents, and say it in my own words
[15:31] <GalacticExplorer> it will be my document then.
[15:32] <GalacticExplorer> If I take something from the site, I put link to this site in my links page.
[15:32] <Hillel> Shaman: in one case is it possible: if this is not for informating the public but for making the most money possible by deceiving people
[15:32] <GalacticExplorer> And write on the bottom of every page to go and visit this site or that, that is if I have a link to it
[15:33] <Shaman464> still dont like the idea
[15:33] <GalacticExplorer> If I don't I leave document as it is, and don't make it my own.
[15:33] <Hillel> Shaman: thats your business again!
[15:33] <GalacticExplorer> My documents have my nickname under every article that I myself erote
[15:34] <GalacticExplorer> wrote
[15:34] <Shaman464> thats nice but everyone you sited did you ask?
[15:34] <GalacticExplorer> Yes.
[15:34] <Shaman464> everyone?
[15:35] <GalacticExplorer> If I took something from them then yes
[15:35] <Shaman464> send it to Nancy now and see what she thinks
[15:36] <GalacticExplorer> Fine Shaman. I'll send it to Nancy.
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[15:37] <Kain> Hey guys!
[15:37] <GalacticExplorer> shaman did I take something from your site?
[15:37] <Hillel> Hello Kain!
[15:37] <GalacticExplorer> Hi Kain
[15:37] <Shaman464> nope
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[15:37] <Shaman464> but i think nancy wont be happy!
[15:38] <GalacticExplorer> Ok I am sending her that link, now.
[15:38] <QueenVee> hi, i'm back
[15:38] <Shaman464> hey
[15:39] <GalacticExplorer> Hi Queen
[15:39] <QueenVee> Galactic Explorer: the map of North American is still quite off
[15:39] <obany> Spain is not correct either
[15:39] <QueenVee> The Hudson's bay is now TOO deep, and ZT says the Great Lakes will remain intact, not merge with each other
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[15:40] <GalacticExplorer> Ok Queen, taking notes
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[15:40] <scooby-atwork> hi all
[15:40] <GalacticExplorer> Hi scooby
[15:41] <QueenVee> and, i don't know if you can do anything about this, because you're working with a pre-made map, but the St. Lawrence Seaway will have a very wide mouth, opening into a bay; it's upper and lower half spread far apart from each other at the mouth
[15:41] <QueenVee> hey scoob
[15:41] <GalacticExplorer> shaman how about you send her a link with my site too?
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[15:43] <scooby-atwork> hi QV
[15:43] <QueenVee> GE: there will be sloshing from the Great Lakes at the time of the shift, but they will not overflow their current boundaries, and will actually become less deep
[15:44] <GalacticExplorer> Queen unfortunately I can't do all the earthchanges like mountain building, and earth tearing. My experience is not very big
[15:44] <GalacticExplorer> Will rework Great Lakes.
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[15:45] <Shaman464> also if you dont like what nancy has to say dont post any of it on your site
[15:45] <QueenVee> Shaman: who was that directed to, and what is it about?
[15:45] <Shaman464> GE
[15:46] <GalacticExplorer> What?
[15:46] <GalacticExplorer> Where did I say that I don't like Nancy?
[15:46] <Shaman464> the first words in his part about ZT is that he doesnt fully agree with it and yet he still takes info of it
[15:46] <QueenVee> Shaman: you may not be aware of this, but i am a copyright lawyer
[15:46] <GalacticExplorer> There is always a doubt shaman
[15:47] <QueenVee> and i'm telling you that your understanding of copyright is not correct
[15:47] <Shaman464> ok
[15:47] <QueenVee> you can't copyright information, and all GE is doing is creating a map using nancy's information, not her exact words
[15:47] <Shaman464> i thought you had to have premisson form the publisher before you could use the info
[15:47] <QueenVee> i agree he should indicate where he got his information from, but as he says, it's not a finished site, and he will do that when it's finished
[15:47] <Shaman464> no that the 4th denisty stuff
[15:48] <QueenVee> Shaman: give me a link to what you're talking about
[15:48] <Shaman464> can yo resend your site GE
[15:48] <Shaman464> you*
[15:48] <QueenVee> you cannot copyright information, just actual writing
[15:48] <GalacticExplorer> http://www.atomickiev.com/galaxy_explorer/
[15:48] <QueenVee> Shaman: please direct me to the specific page you're objecting to
[15:49] <Shaman464> http://www.atomickiev.com/galaxy_explorer/4thdensity.htm
[15:49] <QueenVee> nancy's beef with Hazelwood is that he lifted entire pages and paragraphs of her work -- which IS a copyright violation
[15:49] <Shaman464> http://www.atomickiev.com/galaxy_explorer/zetatalk.htm
[15:51] <QueenVee> uh, Shaman, the page you are quoting is not from zetatalk, it's from Lyssa Royale's book
[15:51] <QueenVee> is that not correct, GE?
[15:51] <Shaman464> i would just like to see sources sited when he uses them
[15:51] <GalacticExplorer> 4thdensity page. This was sent to me
[15:51] <GalacticExplorer> Yes its correct, and I do have link to her page and spiritweb.org at my links page
[15:52] <Shaman464> i mean on the documents
[15:52] <QueenVee> Shaman: shush for a minute
[15:52] <Shaman464> ok
[15:52] <QueenVee> GE: two things, the first on a "courtesy" and "clarity" level; the other on a "legal level"
[15:53] <QueenVee> First: You are not making it clear enough who the author of this material is and  where it is from, and you should
[15:53] <GalacticExplorer> Ok.
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[15:54] <Red> Hey WC
[15:54] <West_coast> hello again
[15:54] <QueenVee> Second: under copyright law you are allowed to quote a few paragraphs from someone's work without their permission, it's called "Fair Usage", but you have clearly exceeded that; you ARE in fact violating Royale's copyright
[15:55] <QueenVee> i would make her authorship and source much more prominent, and write to Royale asking for her permission to use her material as you have
[15:55] <QueenVee> otherwise, if she were aware of your site (which she is not likely to be, i agree), she would be in a position to demand financial compensation from you for violating her copyright
[15:56] <GalacticExplorer> Hmm.
[15:56] <Terminal> Is it ok for me to mirror the zetatalk website?
[15:56] <piginthecity> but any such lawsuit probably wouldn't get to the courts pre May 15, eh QV? ;-)
[15:56] <QueenVee> i don't know what you mean by "mirror"
[15:56] <QueenVee> pig: that's not the point
[15:56] <Terminal> just have an exact copy on our server, in case something happens to ZT.com
[15:56] <piginthecity> at this point, no offense, but who the hell cares
[15:56] <QueenVee> GE was disputing what Shaman was saying; and i'm telling him that Shaman was correct
[15:57] <QueenVee> well, Royale probably cares; and you would probably care if it was your work
[15:57] <piginthecity> well if the world's population is about to be wiped 90% clean, no, not really
[15:58] <QueenVee> pig: what do you do for a living?
[15:58] <obany> gee some years ago had a ufo site, and typed a questionaire from a book but included the name of the book, a isbn number and even a link to a page with information from the book
[15:58] <piginthecity> what does it matter?
[15:58] * islander-afk is now known as islander
[15:58] <GalacticExplorer> Ok Queen. I am taking it seriously.
[15:58] <QueenVee> well, i'd like to draw an analogy with you. Royale earns a living from her writing; i'm wondering what you do to earn a living.
[15:58] <Shaman464> sorry GE im just really mad at the fact others arent doing as i did with my info i have, ive gone out of my way to ask people ive sited to use there info
[15:59] <GalacticExplorer> ANOUNCEMENT. SITE IS DOWN, UNTIL I FIX EVERYTHING THERE.
[15:59] <QueenVee> GE: i'm not saying you should immediately take it off your site, i'm just saying that you should at least go through the motions of doing the right thing
[15:59] <QueenVee> that's all
[15:59] <Shaman464> i am sorry
[16:00] <QueenVee> obany: using a questionnaire would fall into the category of fair usage, and would not constitute a copyright violation
[16:00] <Terminal> zetatalk mirror: http://www.darkinsight.com/px/zetatalk
[16:00] <GalacticExplorer> Queen what if I wanted to create some sort of library?
[16:01] <GalacticExplorer> That was my first intention.
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[16:01] <QueenVee> pig: i see, you don't want me to make an analogy with your work, is that it? in that case, i really don't think you're in a position to say how you would feel if people were using your work without your permission
[16:01] <QueenVee> coward
[16:01] <QueenVee> GE: what do you mean, a library?
[16:01] <Hillel> shaman: IT IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS!!!
[16:01] <GalacticExplorer> To take all documents about UFOs, and e.t.c and put it in one place
[16:02] <GalacticExplorer> So people could access them more easily
[16:02] <QueenVee> Hillel: please do not use CAPS, it is yelling, and Shaman has done nothing to deserve being yelled at
[16:02] <Shaman464> g2g all bbl
[16:02] <Hillel> i think he did
[16:02] <islander> re pig, interesting behavior, if doesn't matter if you take now, would it be that it doesn't matter later?
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[16:03] <West_coast> good point, Islander
[16:03] <QueenVee> GE: if the amount of material from a single source exceeeded the fair usage rule of copyright law, you would have to obtain the author's or owner's permission to use it; intellectual property is as much property as is a car or a bicycle....
[16:03] <QueenVee> it is simply not your material to use as you like
[16:04] <GalacticExplorer> Ok here is what I am going to do. I will send them emails again! And tell them exactly what I want to use
[16:04] <GalacticExplorer> Agreed Queen.
[16:04] <QueenVee> GE: you should also make it clear that you are not in anyway profiting from the use of the material, that you are merely posting it in order to relay the information therein....
[16:05] <QueenVee> also....
[16:05] <QueenVee> you should offer to give her something in return, like maybe a link to where people can buy her book if they want to read the whole thing
[16:05] <QueenVee> a fair exchange
[16:06] <GalacticExplorer> Ok it is a good idea.
[16:07] <islander> Queen: should there also be contact of you are going to use a quote, even one line,
[16:07] <islander>  to ensure that it is not taken out of context when reference is made to the contributing author?
[16:07] <GalacticExplorer> I thought it was clear that my site isn't selling anything
[16:07] <QueenVee> GE: let me clarify: i'm not getting into legal nitpicking with you here; frankly, yours is not a prominent site, and no, you're probably not going to "caught". but you should feature her name and book prominently, and at least set an example for others who may be tempted to use material without permission -- and in their case maybe profit from it
[16:08] <QueenVee> GE: whether you're profiting from it irrelevant in terms of the letter of the law
[16:08] <GalacticExplorer> Ok
[16:08] <Hillel> But as Terminal pointed out the whole copyright stuff now seems to be theoretical...
[16:08] <QueenVee> but all of these things i'm suggesting would go a far way to making the author less angry should she discover you're using her material without permission
[16:08] <QueenVee> Hillel: indeed?
[16:08] <QueenVee> do you own a car, hillel?
[16:09] <QueenVee> or a house?
[16:09] <Hillel> i know what is copyright :)
[16:09] <QueenVee> if so, how would you feel if i took your car without your permission -- i mean, what does it matter that you own it and i don't, in view of the coming poleshift, right?
[16:09] <QueenVee> isn't it all theoretical at this point?
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[16:10] <QueenVee> hello Kettle -- what brings you to this room?
[16:10] <QueenVee> Hillel?
[16:10] <KettLe2002> Hi, all. I'm here first time
[16:10] <Terminal> hey KettLe
[16:10] <West_coast> hi kettle
[16:10] <KettLe2002> hi
[16:10] <QueenVee> welcome Kettle -- how long have you been aware of zetatalk and the coming poleshift?
[16:10] <Red> Hi KL
[16:11] <KettLe2002> Only one weel
[16:11] <KettLe2002> week
[16:11] <islander> bbl
[16:11] * QueenVee takes Hillel's silence as meaning he's not prepared to see ownership of his car as theoretical in view of the coming poleshift....
[16:11] <GalacticExplorer> Ok Queen. Point taken. Thank you for clarifying this to me.
[16:11] * islander is now known as islander-away
[16:11] <QueenVee> sorry, but you happened upon my big area of expertise...
[16:11] <Hillel> Queen: but the most important thing now is to inform people about the coming events, and keeping copyright law is absolutely secondary, unless the whole thing is just a hoax
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[16:12] <GalacticExplorer> No no its a good thing
[16:12] <QueenVee> Hillel: the most important thing is that you allow me to take your car to get to a safe place, and your ownership of the car at this point is secondary....
[16:12] <QueenVee> so when can i have your car?
[16:12] <QueenVee> Kettle: whereabouts are you located?
[16:13] <scooby-atwork> he ran away
[16:13] <scooby-atwork> lol
[16:13] <scooby-atwork> scared off
[16:13] <Hillel> Queen: it is not a proper paralell (theoretically it is of course!)
[16:13] <QueenVee> no, it's an exact parallel; property is property
[16:13] <GalacticExplorer> I thought that it was alright if I only put her website in my links page, and on the bottom of her article on my site
[16:13] <QueenVee> but clearly, you believe other people's property is theoretical, but not yours
[16:13] <QueenVee> GE: nope
[16:14] <West_coast> QV: I think it is a good exercise to look beyond PS, as you are
[16:14] <GalacticExplorer> This site is about 8 month old almost 2000 visitors. I wonder how I wasn't caught?!
[16:15] <scooby-atwork> how many of them were you?
[16:15] <scooby-atwork> 1500?
[16:15] <scooby-atwork> lol
[16:15] <GalacticExplorer> :-)
[16:15] <GalacticExplorer> LOL
[16:15] <GalacticExplorer> no I was about 400
[16:15] <GalacticExplorer> that is if you want to know
[16:15] <scooby-atwork> just razzing you
[16:16] <QueenVee> GE: well, there are two schools of thought: one is you're doing something wrong if it violates a law and someone's personal property; the other is that you're only doing something wrong if you get caught....
[16:17] <QueenVee> i believe George W. Bush subscribes to the second school of thought
[16:17] <GalacticExplorer> I did something with good intention, but it violates the law ....
[16:17] <West_coast> :)
[16:17] <West_coast> did he go to school?
[16:18] <QueenVee> GE: well, there's a saying in legal circles, that ignorance of the law is not a valid defence; however, if you have violated a law without realizing it, then the best thing you can do is take steps to correct your error
[16:18] <QueenVee> WC: lol
[16:19] <QueenVee> WC: yeah, the same school Nixon went to: the I AM NOT A CROOK school
[16:19] <West_coast> :)
[16:20] <West_coast> George W. will be center stage in a couple of hours
[16:20] <GalacticExplorer> Queen I wasm
[16:20] <GalacticExplorer> Queen I wasn't aware of the law
[16:21] <GalacticExplorer> I am already taking steps to correct it
[16:21] <QueenVee> GE: understood
[16:21] <GalacticExplorer> I just hope shaman did not call cops on me before I took my site down
[16:21] <QueenVee> lol
[16:21] <QueenVee> GE: i wouldn't take your site down
[16:22] <QueenVee> just fix it as soonas possible
[16:22] <scooby-atwork> lol GE... hide  here come the cops!
[16:23] <QueenVee> "Galactic Explorer! This is the police! Step away from the website, and no one will get hurt. Come out with your mouse up...."
[16:23] <GalacticExplorer> I took some webpages down
[16:23] <West_coast> QV: lol
[16:24] <GalacticExplorer> LOL
[16:24] * obany goes now ...
[16:24] <scooby-atwork> lol
[16:24] * obany bye take care goodnight
[16:24] <GalacticExplorer> Obany cops arent after you!
[16:24] <GalacticExplorer> where are you going?
[16:24] <obany> to zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[16:24] <obany> sleeep
[16:25] <QueenVee> nite obany
[16:25] <obany> thx
[16:25] <GalacticExplorer> good night
[16:25] <obany> thank you
[16:25] <QueenVee> well, i've got to move my computer into the other room; reboot; be right back
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[16:25] <West_coast> Hillel: where in the world are you?
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[16:31] <scooby-atwork> WC: somewhere out there
[16:31] <scooby-atwork> ithink finland
[16:31] <scooby-atwork> maybe hungary
[16:32] <West_coast> hungary, I think
[16:32] <scooby-atwork> yeah
[16:32] <Hillel> WC: from hungary, yes
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[16:33] <West_coast> Hillel: many people there aware of PS?
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[16:33] <West_coast> hi dave and insomniac
[16:34] <dave7> subconsiously all know. Hi West
[16:34] <Hillel> WC: very little, i think
[16:34] <InSomNiaC420> Hey
[16:35] <Hillel> WC: or more exactly: they do not get it seriously
[16:35] <West_coast> Hillel: I understand...don't want to hear about it
[16:35] <scooby-atwork> hia dave and insomniac
[16:36] <dave7> Scoob
[16:36] <InSomNiaC420> hey hey
[16:37] <West_coast> dave: Australia seems to be having lots of problems according to the news
[16:37] <dave7> Yeh
[16:37] <West_coast> dave: how is it where you are?
[16:37] <Hillel> WC: its not that. it simply looks like a hoax... I do not blame ppl who don't believe that.
[16:38] <dave7> They are trying to blame the greenies
[16:38] <InSomNiaC420> The thing all hoaxes have is motivation.. what motivation would there be in our case?
[16:39] <Hillel> Income from selling books for example
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[16:40] <QueenVee> cool, i dont have to authenticate anymore
[16:40] <scooby-atwork> : )
[16:40] <dave7> Hi Queen
[16:40] <QueenVee> hey dave!
[16:40] <QueenVee> how are the doggies?
[16:41] <dave7> Bit frustrated. Gotta take them for run soon
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[16:42] <dave7> Did you read the Zeta advice re : pets etc?
[16:43] <bushcoversup> insoniac: whats the link to that info you sent me?
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[16:44] <QueenVee> damn, forgot to use my new ban/kick command
[16:44] <dave7> i'm going to stock up on food for them and if they get eaten then at least their bodies will go to good use
[16:44] <QueenVee> dave7: i interpret that advice for those who are not going to be adequately prepared, and do not view their dogs in the same manner as they would any other member of their family
[16:45] <West_coast> QV: agreed
[16:45] <dave7> Prob. have to shoot the Beta dog
[16:45] <QueenVee> and also for those who have dogs who wouldn't be able to fend for themselves in the wild
[16:45] <QueenVee> i would have put my dog Ben down before the shift
[16:45] <QueenVee> but Henry will be an asset
[16:46] <dave7> i'm quite sure my dogs will provide food for me and others
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[16:46] <QueenVee> i will also put our cat down, who is not an outdoor cat
[16:47] <West_coast> sounds like the humane thing to do
[16:47] <QueenVee> my cousin (with whom i'll be riding out the shift) has two large black labs, who also hunt rabbits and other varmits...
[16:47] <dave7> Been reading about wild dogs in the Pine Barrens
[16:47] <dave7> N.J.
[16:48] <West_coast> going to catch the local news..be back later
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[16:49] <QueenVee> dave7: Henry's training is coming along nicely...
[16:49] <dave7> i thought from what you told me he was a very good dog
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[16:51] <QueenVee> well, i'd forgotten how much of dog training is human training
[16:51] <dave7> 3 P's  Patience, perserverance, persuasion
[16:51] <QueenVee> it's relationship-building
[16:52] <dave7> yeh you gotta be perstistant
[16:52] <QueenVee> right now we're making increasing compromises with each other....
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[16:52] <dave7> Your a natural leader so the dog will be very happy with that
[16:53] <dave7> i pick my dogs up on everything. Very strick. They love that.
[16:53] <QueenVee> yes, and i'm being reminded of how a leader does not force, but LEADS
[16:54] <dave7> If you start running away for danger and call they are compelled to follow
[16:55] <QueenVee> well, this dog has an amazing ability to know when i am truly sensing danger and just faking it....
[16:55] <scooby-atwork> can you op him?
[16:56] <dave7> Nature dog leader is very rough. Bits. i bite them on top of nose sometimes to reinforce my position
[16:56] <QueenVee> when i call out for him to halt when he is about to run into the street, he stops dead in his tracks..... but not in other situations, where he has an attitude of "yeah, in a minute..."
[16:56] <QueenVee> dave: yes, i've heard of that practice
[16:56] <scooby-atwork> also grabbing by the scruff as momma would
[16:58] <QueenVee> dave: give me an example of a situation wher eyou might do that
[16:58] <dave7> i find that the more i pay out on them (verbally) balanced with love the happier they are
[16:58] <QueenVee> yes, they NEED a top dog
[16:59] <QueenVee> otherwise they feel compelled to be top dog themselves
[16:59] <QueenVee> if you do not present yourself as a very strong top dog, it causes them anxiety
[17:00] <QueenVee> pack dogs cannot tolerate a leadership vacuum
[17:00] <dave7> ok. the other nite at kennel time Gabby 'Mouthed' me i.e. touched my hand with her teeth. This is a very bad habit that must be broken. So i bit her gently on top of nose and growled.
[17:00] <QueenVee> right, i see....
[17:00] <QueenVee> do you ever strike them?
[17:01] <dave7> NO
[17:01] <dave7> They must trust you. Not fear you
[17:01] <QueenVee> so the bite is not to actually hurt the dog, but to give a message they understand
[17:01] <dave7> Although their is an element of fear of leader
[17:02] <dave7> Yes
[17:03] <QueenVee> well, before Henry would just go off into the woods chasing rabbit and would not come back for ages... no matter how much i called him....
[17:03] <dave7> They feel safe, like some humans under a strong leader
[17:03] <QueenVee> now he stays with me, going into the woods, and then coming out again to touch base with me on a regular basis....
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[17:03] <dave7> Fanstastic
[17:04] <QueenVee> comes when i call him most of the time now, but i still have a big problem when he's on a scent
[17:04] <dave7> He got the message proving his intelligence
[17:04] <dave7> Very differcult to stop that
[17:05] <dave7> after all he's just doing his job
[17:05] <Hillel> Goodbye folks!
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[17:06] <dave7> bye Hillel
[17:06] <QueenVee> i've been reading about hunter's techniques....
[17:06] <dave7> any tips?
[17:06] <QueenVee> about how they get their dogs to  NOT track "trash" -- i.e. game they are not hunting....
[17:07] <QueenVee> let's say the hunter only wants the dog to track deer, and wants him to ignore rabbits....
[17:07] <QueenVee> you can buy bottles of rabbit scent, which the hunter uses on the dog's bed and environment to "desensitize" the dog to rabbit scent...
[17:07] <QueenVee> ever heard of that?
[17:08] <dave7> NO
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[17:08] <dave7> But if i'm hungry i wont mind what they get
[17:09] <dave7> unless it's human ofcourse
[17:09] <QueenVee> hey, and if you're hungry enough, you won't even mind that....
[17:09] <QueenVee> hehe
[17:10] <dave7> If you dont eat it, something else will
[17:10] <QueenVee> so when your dogs go off on a scent, they do not respond to your demand to return?
[17:10] <QueenVee> you just have to wait until they'redone?
[17:10] <dave7> Most do
[17:11] <QueenVee> but you said above that  its  " Very differcult to stop that"
[17:11] <dave7> The more dogs you got the harder it is to control them all
[17:11] <QueenVee> so what's your secret?
[17:12] <dave7> Beening a strong leader who they trust
[17:12] * QueenVee sighs
[17:13] <dave7> Also what i usually do is run their energy off first before the hunt
[17:14] <dave7> i let them chase me up the road behind the car with muzzles on
[17:14] <Cruithne> gosh
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[17:15] <dave7> Depending on the road surface condition(sand best) they need about 4 or 5 KM's . Also must be very careful of heat.
[17:16] <Cruithne> what r the muzzels for
[17:17] <dave7> To protect wildlife and pets that we may come across in the bush by chance
[17:17] <dave7> Most of the time i do not hunt. Just run them to a dam for swim
[17:18] <Cruithne> my dog pulls me on bicycle the more i apply brakes the harder he pulls
[17:19] <dave7> TRY CHOKER CHAIN
[17:19] <Cruithne> that's what he wears now
[17:19] <Cruithne> i ctrl him at all times tho so he stops
[17:19] <dave7> They is another BIT type
[17:20] <Cruithne> no i like the pulling
[17:20] <Cruithne> free pwr
[17:20] <dave7> It would be better if you were leading
[17:20] <dave7> If he was pushing
[17:21] <Cruithne> alas
[17:22] <dave7> Like a light aluminium pole connected to a harness
[17:23] <Cruithne> it would look weird kinda like horse pushing carriage
[17:23] <Cruithne> altho atleast in front not "behind"
[17:23] <Cruithne> lol
[17:23] <dave7> If you train him as dog sled to go left/right/straight it would be fine
[17:24] <Cruithne> he is trained to turn & stop
[17:24] <Cruithne> just from doing it he caught on
[17:24] <Cruithne> some r smarter than others
[17:25] <scooby-atwork> anyone feel that 9-11 was propoganda (to a certain extent)?
[17:25] <scooby-atwork> http://propagandamatrix.com/pensacola_nas_link_scrutiny.html
[17:25] <scooby-atwork> http://www.propagandamatrix.com/back_in_the_lions_mouth
[17:26] <scooby-atwork> http://propagandamatrix.com/cia_agent_met_bin_laden_in_july.html
[17:26] <Cruithne> propaganda = from the same source that said jfk story
[17:27] <dave7> i have been planning a rear powered land sled. i.e. bike with me at front & 7 dog power between two hang glider aluminium poles with wheels or wheel ar rear.
[17:28] <dave7> Could have roof over dogs
[17:29] <dave7> That way i steer and brake
[17:29] <QueenVee> interesting
[17:31] <dave7> All strong light ALY. Maybe green shade cloth down sides for keeping dogs QUITE.
[17:32] <dave7> Or plastic garbage wheel bin at rear with custom pushbike wheels so you can tow goods
[17:32] <QueenVee> that's what i need, a way to exercise this dog without him being completely unrestrained; i'm not a fast enough runner to run with him on a lead...
[17:33] <QueenVee> if he's to get a good workout, i have to let him go
[17:34] <dave7> Running with pushbike is ok
[17:34] <dave7> easier on you
[17:34] <QueenVee> yeah, i am planning to do that as soon as the snow goes
[17:34] <dave7> SLED even better
[17:35] <dave7> FUN
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[17:35] <QueenVee> mmm, don't think this guy is big and strong enough to pull MY weight.....
[17:35] <QueenVee> hello pedro -- what brings you to this room?
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[17:36] <scooby-atwork> hmmm
[17:37] <scooby-atwork> musta read the topic and decided this wasn't forhim
[17:37] <scooby-atwork> lol
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[17:37] <RedzZzz> see y'all later
[17:37] <scooby-atwork> l8r
[17:39] <dave7> Ice is pretty slippery Queen
[17:39] <dave7> Where are you
[17:39] <dave7> ?
[17:40] <QueenVee> southwestern ontario
[17:40] <QueenVee> we've got lots of snow right now
[17:40] <QueenVee> i've got wide open spaces
[17:40] <dave7> Sound beautiful
[17:40] <dave7> Dogs love snow
[17:42] <dave7> Was thinking if we could get your weather site more public
[17:43] <QueenVee> you mean www.shift2003.com?
[17:43] <dave7> YEH
[17:43] <QueenVee> mmmmm..... how....?
[17:44] <dave7> only thing i can think of is printing flyers and sticking them around town
[17:44] <dave7> Supermakets etc
[17:45] <QueenVee> well.... it's not really an introductory site.... nor meant to be....
[17:45] <QueenVee> i'm a communicator by trade, and i don't have the slightest idea of how to introduce people to the topic
[17:46] <dave7> it is just that when i read it, it's like the writing is on the wall/site.
[17:47] <dave7> If the bloody media posted your info people would have to smell a rat?px
[17:48] <dave7> Never mind the PS just look at the weather
[17:49] <QueenVee> yeah, you're getting me thinking
[17:50] <dave7> Weather Reports!
[17:51] <QueenVee> i'm so conflicted about the whole issue of "getting the news out".....
[17:51] <dave7> People can not denigh the weather
[17:52] <dave7> One step at a time
[17:52] <QueenVee> or at least about ME playing that role
[17:52] <scooby-atwork> denigh...  i like that speeling
[17:52] <QueenVee> i'm barely staying on top of it all right now
[17:53] <scooby-atwork> just get posted on http://drudgereport.com or http://www.slashdot.org
[17:53] <scooby-atwork> and you will be innundated
[17:53] <scooby-atwork> lol
[17:53] <scooby-atwork> arggg
[17:53] <scooby-atwork> back to work
[17:54] <scooby-atwork> break's over
[17:54] <QueenVee> that's just it, i don't WANT to be inundated
[17:54] <dave7> i'm not suggesting that you do it. Just an idea.
[17:55] <QueenVee> wish i had a small staff
[17:55] <scooby-atwork> 3' tall? 4' tall?
[17:55] <scooby-atwork> lol
[17:55] <scooby-atwork> sorry
[17:56] <QueenVee> yeah, right, people i can look down at...
[17:56] <dave7> Anyone with a printer(not me) can paste a Queens weather report on their local supermarket with the Shift2003 link on it
[17:56] <QueenVee> yeah, but dave, it's ME that they'll be emailing all the time
[17:56] <scooby-atwork> auto-responder
[17:57] <dave7> OK then keep Queen out of it guys
[17:58] <dave7> Just enlighten them to the Global weather shituation
[17:58] <dave7> Media sure are not
[17:58] <QueenVee> i mean, if you want to use my site as a reference point in your own communication....
[17:59] <scooby-atwork> how about a mirror?
[17:59] <QueenVee> ?
[17:59] <QueenVee> how about this....
[18:00] <scooby-atwork> an exact copy of your site
[18:00] <scooby-atwork> such as this:
[18:00] <scooby-atwork> http://www.darkinsight.com/px/zetatalk/
[18:00] <scooby-atwork> i think that is terminal's handiwork
[18:01] <QueenVee> and how would that stop people from contacting me?
[18:01] <scooby-atwork> oic
[18:01] <scooby-atwork> different issue
[18:01] <scooby-atwork> sorry
[18:01] <Terminal|bbs> i'm allowed to mirror the site, right? just in case something happens to ZT.com
[18:01] * Terminal|bbs is now known as Terminal
[18:02] <scooby-atwork> dunnp
[18:02] <scooby-atwork> dunno
[18:02] <Terminal> doesn't matter. look at all these mirrors - http://www.darkinsight.com/px/zetatalk/index/z00.htm
[18:03] <QueenVee> okay, how about this:
[18:03] <Terminal> actually, ill send them an email about my U.S mirror
[18:03] <QueenVee> look at the opening paragraph of my site:
[18:03] <QueenVee> The SHIFT2003 Chat Group is an online community for those familiar with and seriously preparing for the May 2003 Poleshift and Aftertime, as predicted by Nancy Lieder's ZETATALK. Please click on the following links for further information, including instructions on HOW TO ACCESS THE CHAT ROOM and dates/times of weekly public ZETATALK SESSIONS with Nancy Lieder.
[18:03] <dave7> i'm concerned it may get really crowded in here and Queen will be inundated
[18:03] <QueenVee> How could that be re-written?
[18:04] <QueenVee> do you know what i'm saying?
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[18:04] <scooby-atwork> one sec plz
[18:04] <Shaman464> hi all
[18:04] <QueenVee> hi shaman
[18:05] <dave7> Hi Shaman
[18:05] <Shaman464> whats that plus sign mean?
[18:06] <QueenVee> shaman: long story i don't feel like telling
[18:06] <Shaman464> ok
[18:06] <Shaman464> is it like the @?
[18:07] <QueenVee> no
[18:07] <Shaman464> ok
[18:07] <QueenVee> dave: i'm not rejecting the idea, i'm just to figure out how it could work....
[18:07] <scooby-atwork> QV: I think your intro is pretty damn perfect
[18:07] <scooby-atwork> what about web rings?
[18:08] <scooby-atwork> similar web sites all link together
[18:09] <dave7> ok
[18:10] <scooby-atwork> o gawd
[18:10] <scooby-atwork> here go the stupid white men in washington
[18:10] <scooby-atwork> and their king george is speaking (or rather reciting) rightnow
[18:10] <QueenVee> anybody watching the state-of-the-idiot address?
[18:10] <scooby-atwork> i wish i had closed captioning here
[18:10] <Shaman464>  im not gunna watch, hockeys on
[18:10] <dave7> What's the very brief story of 'Battle Creek' Shaman?
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[18:11] <QueenVee> hello Galactic
[18:11] <Galactic_out_fixing_stuff> Hey Queen
[18:11] * Galactic_out_fixing_stuff is now known as GalacticExplorer
[18:11] <scooby-atwork> QV: how about someone submitting your site to various other related sites in an attempt to start a PS webring?
[18:11] <scooby-atwork> if there isn't one already?
[18:11] <QueenVee> Galactic: i'm getting a picture of you out under a car somwhere getting all greasy
[18:12] <Cruithne> <-- am watching the state-of-the-idiot address
[18:12] <GalacticExplorer> He he he
[18:12] <Shaman464> the airport is called the kalamazoo/battlecreek airport and battlecreek is bigger so i go with that to give general location
[18:12] <QueenVee> scooby: hey, anyone is free to recommend my site anywhere, i just do