Session Start: Wed Feb 05 02:56:29 2003
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
[02:56] * Now talking in #poleshiftdiscussion
[02:56] * Topic is 'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
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[02:56] <Kimbrian> You Richard?
[02:56] <Richard> 49 here ...last december
[02:56] <Kimbrian> nice:)
[02:57] <Richard> less than halfway there
[02:57] <Richard> :+)
[02:57] <Mugada> 53 in jan
[02:57] <Kimbrian> but age is just a number..not a true expression of either body or mind states
[02:57] <Richard> very true K
[02:57] <Kimbrian> :)
[02:57] <Mugada> true i' only 21
[02:57] <Kimbrian> :)
[02:57] <Richard> Mugada has many children
[02:58] <Richard> :)
[02:58] <Kimbrian> nice...I like children...i am a social educator
[02:58] <Mugada> two that i'e been told about
[02:58] <Richard> arrghhh excellent K
[02:59] <Kimbrian> but none of my own ..yet
[02:59] <Richard> yours are young ones aren't they Mugada?
[02:59] <Mugada> keep practicing
[02:59] <Kimbrian> hehe
[02:59] <Kimbrian> i will
[02:59] <Mugada> 3 and 6
[03:00] <Richard> ours have all left home and have a grandson
[03:00] <Mugada> wide spreed of ages of kids in group
[03:01] <Mugada> and teenages
[03:01] <Richard> how many children in group M?
[03:01] <Mugada> 11
[03:01] <Mugada> 4 teenages
[03:01] <Richard> cool ... I hope you guys get thro' shift and prosper
[03:01] <Mugada> me too
[03:01] <Mugada>  :-)
[03:02] <Richard> everyone in group know of shift?
[03:02] <Mugada> all parents fully aware
[03:03] <Richard> at this late hour i think we have a little community developing where i am
[03:03] <Mugada> hard to tell 3 year old
[03:03] <Kimbrian> same here...people stick their heads into the soil
[03:04] <Kimbrian> wont hear of it...
[03:04] <Richard> just needs the place to be ................ at least for the shift
[03:04] <Mugada> might stop telling people before I get locked up 4 being mad
[03:05] <Richard> Kimbrian: and zeta's say people will come knocking on your door at the last minute demanding to be let in
[03:05] <Kimbrian> well...im not home at that time
[03:05] <Kimbrian> literally
[03:05] <Kimbrian> :)
[03:05] <Richard> that's good
[03:06] <Kimbrian> denmark will sink into the ocean
[03:06] <Richard> what's capital of Denmark?
[03:06] <Kimbrian> no word abot the german economy in the news....
[03:06] <Kimbrian> Copenhagen
[03:07] <Richard> has mermaid in the harbour?
[03:07] <Mugada> I'll disapear just after easter long weekend
[03:07] <Kimbrian> yes Richard...a mermaid:)
[03:07] <Richard> Mugada: that's the passover
[03:07] <Mugada> it will be
[03:07] <Kimbrian> she was decapitated some years ago by vandals...but they found her head and put it back on
[03:11] <Kimbrian> where will You go Richard and Mugaba ?
[03:11] <Mugada> secret
[03:11] <Kimbrian> oh..yes..ofcourse
[03:11] <Kimbrian> well...im not going there I think
[03:11] <Kimbrian> :)
[03:12] <Mugada> could u make to australia
[03:12] <Kimbrian> no..too far away from here
[03:12] <Mugada> but safe
[03:13] <Kimbrian> sweden most likely...or maybe Turkey as my gf is there
[03:13] <Kimbrian> my net gf
[03:13] <Kimbrian> we planned to meet in may anyway
[03:13] <Mugada> :-)
[03:14] <Kimbrian> I just told her about all this last night...she is shattered now...
[03:14] <obany> Turkey will turn into a Siberia like country
[03:14] <obany> cold
[03:15] <Mugada> australia will be tropical
[03:15] <Kimbrian> yea...so I really hope I can concince her to go to sweden...which will be more like a subtropic area after the shift
[03:15] <Kimbrian> convince*
[03:15] <Mugada> coffee time
[03:15] <Richard> helping wife bag dryed peas .... brb
[03:15] <Mugada> brb
[03:16] <Kimbrian> good idea
[03:19] <mr_opperman> damn full drive c
[03:19] <mr_opperman> mmm very late
[03:19] <mr_opperman> i go now gntie all
[03:19] <Kimbrian> nn opperman
[03:20] <Mugada> bye
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[03:24] <Kimbrian> Richard..im listening to "Next To The Water Hard To Believe" now...sounds good
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[03:32] <humvee> got to pack it in - thanks all n good nite
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[03:41] <Terminal> hello
[03:42] <Kimbrian> Hi Terminal
[03:42] <Terminal> ah good, my connection didnt drop out :)
[03:42] <Kimbrian> oh no..people just takin a rest here it seems..but not me..im scanning the bbc archievs:)
[03:43] <Terminal> let me know if you find it
[03:43] <Kimbrian> yea...I will
[03:44] <Freddo> hi terminal
[03:46] <Richard> hey guys got involved in bagging dryed food so will have to go. See you later.
[03:46] <Richard> enjoy the Spacious Mind Kimbrian
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[03:46] <Terminal> hey Freddo
[03:47] <Freddo> hows things in melb
[03:47] <Kimbrian> here is one close to the one I search:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2565953.stm
[03:49] <Kimbrian> earth's getting fatter
[03:50] <Terminal> Freddo: great thanks
[03:51] * obany is back ...
[03:52] <Freddo> hows the preps comming terminal
[03:55] <Terminal> ok, unfortunately I am alone with it though
[03:56] <Terminal> where about are you in australia?
[03:56] <Freddo> cheer up im not far away
[03:56] <Freddo> geelong
[03:56] <Terminal> ok
[03:57] <Mugada> u 2 should get together 4 a beer
[03:57] <Kimbrian> going to work..bbl  l8r...cya
[03:57] <Terminal> later Kimbrian
[03:58] <Terminal> Freddo: are you relocating?
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[03:58] <Mugada> bye
[04:00] <Freddo> terminal have to go somewhere, will drown if i stay here
[04:00] <Terminal> ok bye
[04:06] * juditness is back.. hi [been gone for: 4hrs 40mins 13secs] at 13:10:17
[04:06] <Terminal> wb
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[04:27] <scooby-afk> nite
[04:27] <Terminal> night scooby
[04:28] <scooby-afk> obany: you here?
[04:28] <scooby-afk> planetx is on the prowl
[04:28] <scooby-afk> [04:30] * planetx (~PC09@195.24.38.20) Quit
[04:28] <scooby-afk> #TT
[04:32] <Mugada> any body seen yet with small scopes
[04:34] <scooby-afk> not yet as far as i know
[04:34] <scooby-afk> !down
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[04:34] <scooby-afk> later
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[04:44] <Mugada> more coffee
[04:44] <Mugada> brb
[04:45] <Mugada> don' everybody chat at once
[04:46] <Terminal> enjoy the coffee
[04:46] <Terminal> i could use some myself
[04:46] <Mugada> willi make 2 then
[04:46] <Terminal> thanks
[04:47] <Freddo> just put the kettle on
[04:49] <Mugada> done slurppp
[04:49] <Freddo> 3 aussies burning the midnight oil
[04:50] <Terminal> 9 more minutes
[04:50] <Mugada> mid night 2
[04:50] <Freddo> i have to work tomorrow
[04:51] <Mugada> my little ones get me up at 5am
[04:51] <Freddo> mine get up at midday :)
[04:53] <Mugada> i would 2 if i could
[04:53] <Mugada> but no rest for  the wicked
[04:54] <Mugada> :-)
[04:54] <Freddo> same here
[04:55] <Freddo> been too hot latly to sleep
[04:55] <Freddo> cooler today tho
[04:55] <Mugada> just right here tonite
[04:58] <Mugada> might put load of washing on and go to bed , bye all
[04:59] <Terminal> night Mugada
[04:59] <Freddo> bye mugada
[04:59] <Mugada> nite
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[05:00] <Freddo> going to bed my self
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[05:01] <Terminal> later Freddo
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[05:08] <obany> sigh i am feelling down down down ... sigh
[05:08] <Cruithne> is it raining there
[05:09] <obany> dry here, but rained yesterday ... well rain and hail etc, and windy ..
[05:10] <Cruithne>  yesterday here it was in 50's was sweating...today freezing
[05:10] <Terminal> night ppl
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[05:11] <Cruithne> am awaiting the evidence from the colon powells
[05:11] <Cruithne> get it "colon".....:)
[05:11] <obany> yes .. hhhrrhrrhhrhr
[05:11] <obany> hehehehe
[05:12] <obany> well i will be at my job at the time that he will present the so called evidence
[05:12] <obany> so will hear it later on
[05:15] <Cruithne> i see ny gold market has opened at over 383.  thinking it's goona zoom zoom
[05:15] <Cruithne> big indicator
[05:15] * obany is thinking about renting a movie or so for in the evening, feel well a little down need some distraction
[05:16] <Cruithne> yes & get popcorn too
[05:16] <obany> maybe so
[05:16] <Cruithne> i can't learn unless i'm eating popcorn while studying
[05:19] <obany> not the same for me ... i just need some distraction ... don't want to get nervous exhausted again like i was a couple of years ago :/
[05:20] <obany> even took some medicines to keep me calm,  a few minuts on the street, and i went home again ... wich well sucked
[05:21] <Cruithne>  i hear ya . sounds like it's time for reccess . play
[05:22] <obany> that happened a few years ago, don't want that expierence again
[05:39] <Jurian> hmm, what time is the "evidence" to be presented? :)
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[05:42] <tex-away> !down
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[05:42] * tex-away have a good day
[05:43] <Cruithne> <Jurian> 10:30 est
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[05:44] <obany> kwart over 4
[05:46] <obany> wonder what to lying sun of a guns will give as evidence
[05:46] <obany> sons
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[06:12] <Jurian> http://www.xs4all.nl/~chielr/ffvrijdag/saddamjob.jpg
[06:12] <Jurian> :)
[06:48] <raincity> If Powell presents a convincing case then his political future is intact, however, if he screws this up then he will have to vanish to a quiet life of fly fishing after Bush leaves office.
[06:51] <raincity> Ok, he's just left the hotel for the UN building...
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[07:05] <Jurian> heh, I very much doubt it'll be convincing
[07:05] <Jurian> probably a video tape of bin laden and saddam touring iraq's nuclear facilities
[07:05] <Jurian> or something like that =p
[07:05] <raincity> that would be too easy.
[07:06] <Jurian> haha, yes, and a bit too obvious
[07:06] <raincity> It will probably be satellite photos showing trucks moving stuff out of the areas ahead of the inspectors.
[07:06] <Jurian> yeah
[07:06] <raincity> And radio intercepts along those lines.
[07:06] <Jurian> yep
[07:07] <Jurian> cellphone conversations that have been decrypted
[07:07] <raincity> Just enough to get France to grudgingly go along --like they always do.
[07:07] <Jurian> heh, yah
[07:07] <raincity> They just want to hold out to the last second.
[07:08] <raincity> Because, if they don't both France and the UN will become as important as the old League Of Nations and they don't want that.
[07:08] <Jurian> well, I agree saddamn needs to go, but I very much doubt bombing the country to fuck is gonna accomplish that
[07:08] <Jurian> didn't work 12 years ago, wont work now
[07:09] <raincity> I don't know the result, but it will start with massive cruise missle bombardment.  800 or so launched in two days.
[07:09] <Jurian> yep, lots of people dead
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[07:10] <Jurian> I wouldn't be surprised if the war starts in a few days
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[07:10] <raincity> Yes, it is possible that Saddam will open first, after weeks of hearing that "we are coming to get you".
[07:11] <Jurian> yeah
[07:11] <Cruithne>  well i heard that it's 5 till 12  for him
[07:11] <Jurian> this war has the potential to get extremely nasty
[07:11] <raincity> His best bet is to launch a massive VX attack into Kuwait where we are staging, and also into Israel to disrupt the whole region.
[07:12] <raincity> If he waits too long he will lose the capability.
[07:12] <Jurian> yep
[07:12] <Cruithne> maybe he oughta say the N.koreans have his weapons of mass destruction
[07:12] <Jurian> hehe
[07:12] <Jurian> "our nukes are all ready to fire, they're in n.k., oh, and some in cuba as well!
[07:13] <Jurian> "
[07:13] <raincity> If things go badly, the N Koreans very well might launch an invasion of the South.
[07:13] <raincity> That's why long range bombers are now on standby to go to the south pacific.
[07:13] <Jurian> heh, sick shit
[07:13] <Jurian> bomb the world, who cares
[07:14] <raincity> This is a big gamble.  Iraq must be defeated within 3-4 days OR the shit is going to get deep all over the place.
[07:14] <raincity> That's why the "massive cruise missle attack" in the first few hours.
[07:15] <raincity> The hope is that most of Saddam's generals will surrender.
[07:15] <Cruithne> he will use the samson option "rake all with us as we go down"
[07:15] <raincity> Personally, I have no clue wether this will work or not.
[07:16] <raincity> possible.
[07:16] <Jurian> dunno
[07:16] <Cruithne> impossible ..
[07:17] <Jurian> a lot surrendered 12 years ago
[07:17] <Jurian> might happen again
[07:18] * Jurian switches the tv to the censored news network
[07:19] <Jurian> buh, expected to take 90 minutes
[07:19] <Jurian> ah, intercepted audio conversations
[07:20] <Cruithne> oh going to turn tv this way to view  as there may be images in presentation
[07:20] <Jurian> yah, this is gonna get nasty, very likely :/
[07:21] <raincity> Ok, about to take seats.
[07:21] <Jurian> yah
[07:21] <Jurian> "some dramatic evidence"
[07:21] <Jurian> chemical and bio-warfare weapon
[07:21] <Jurian> program
[07:22] <Jurian> phone :D
[07:23] <Jurian> buh, lets video tape this shit
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[07:23] <Jurian> might be interesting to have it on tape
[07:24] <Cruithne> the way the news keeps ticking the clock on saddam is like the doomsday clock
[07:24] <raincity> I'm watching through a hard-drive recorder...so If it gets interesting...
[07:24] <Jurian> hehe
[07:25] <Jurian> I just stuck a 3 hour tape in, should be enough
[07:25] <Cruithne> lol, yaeh
[07:25] <raincity> Dishplayer is nice because you can always hit rewind, up to 14 hours and then go back and record it to something else.
[07:26] <Jurian> hehe, sweeeeeet :)
[07:26] <raincity> Once you get used to it you can't live without it.
[07:27] <Cruithne> i better not get 1 then
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[07:27] <Ptomais> Colin Powel's speech begint...
[07:27] <Jurian> yeah, we're all watching
[07:28] <Jurian> oh, now its gonna be "links between iraq and al qaeda (sp)"
[07:29] <Cruithne> oh no not that too
[07:29] <raincity> yeah, polls show 87% american public believes there are links.
[07:29] <raincity> you have to play to that belief...
[07:29] <Jurian> of course, that had to be included than
[07:29] <Jurian> sick shit
[07:29] <Jurian> 70-80% of europeans are against the war
[07:30] <raincity> yeah, I heard that.  Quite the opposite as here.
[07:30] <Jurian> yeah, scary
[07:30] <Jurian> just proves how well the propaganda machine there works tho, no offense..
[07:31] <raincity> true...but it had great assistance from Al Qaueda.
[07:31] <Jurian> oh yes, no doubt there
[07:31] <raincity> Bush owes his popularity to Bin Laden.
[07:31] <Jurian> sad but true
[07:32] <Cruithne> they didn't invite iraq representive....alas
[07:32] <Jurian> they did!
[07:32] <Jurian> but without voting rights
[07:32] <Cruithne> oh
[07:33] <Jurian> there he is
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[07:45] <Dsarith> Good Morning all
[07:45] <Jurian> what's good about it?
[07:45] <Dsarith> Sorry :).... Morning All
[07:45] <Cruithne> morning
[07:46] <Ptomais> was the Saddam interview also broadcasted in the USA?
[07:46] * juditness is away.. wouuuuuld? [mail: judit@geekychick.org] at 16:50:20
[07:47] <Dsarith> I am listening to UN address streamming
[07:47] <Dsarith> Interesting
[07:48] <Jurian> watching it on tv here
[07:51] <Jurian> heh, is it me, or could these images just as well be made in the us? :p
[07:52] <Cruithne> oh no this is "evidence"
[07:52] <Dsarith> Perhaps, but surely most people believe that Saddam has WMD
[07:52] <Cruithne> :)
[07:52] <Dsarith> The only question is why is the US playing police man
[07:53] <Ptomais> ' forbidden weapons' -> only forbidden for iraq
[07:53] <Jurian> yeah, "we can have them, but you can't!"
[07:53] <Dsarith> Saddam is a madman and he absolutely a danger to the world
[07:53] <Ptomais> he is
[07:53] <Ptomais> as bush is
[07:53] <Jurian> exactly
[07:54] <Dsarith> You are not thinking right people. YOu give a gun to a sane man, he will use it sanely. You give a gun to an insane man, you dont know what he will use if or when
[07:54] <Dsarith> Saddam is a very dangerous man
[07:54] <Jurian> AS IS BUSH!
[07:54] <Cruithne> i'm glad i stocked up on iraqi dates last week
[07:55] <Dsarith> Dangerous, somewhat, but he is still under control
[07:55] <Jurian> I dont know what I find scaries, iraq having WoMD, or the americans not seeing their president is a madman
[07:55] <Jurian> scarier
[07:55] <Dsarith> Saddam is a dictator and is not under control
[07:55] <Ptomais> they just seek an aliby to invade iraq
[07:55] <Jurian> exactly
[07:56] <Dsarith> I dont disagree with that point at all
[07:56] <Cruithne> king hussein said it years ago when sadat was killed "we r living n a world gone mad" headlines  ny times
[07:56] <Dsarith> Just that I Saddam needs to be ousted for the world. I say let his neighbors do it, rather than the US. Same thing with Korea.
[07:57] <Jurian> the world is a mess, we do not need the us bombing the shit out of some country, YET AGAIN
[07:58] <Ptomais> korea does not possess large oil fields, so US do not threaten them
[07:58] <Dsarith> The world has gone mad and that is why I think the US should pull back, line the borders with the military and become an isolationist nation. Attack 3 x as hard when attacked otherwise leave the world alone
[07:58] <Jurian> heh, that'd just make it worse
[07:58] <Jurian> it already IS isolationistic
[07:59] <Dsarith> That would make it much better
[07:59] <Dsarith> Nah, US puts billions of dollars into other nations
[07:59] <Jurian> the us needs to clean up the US first, before fucking up the rest of the world
[07:59] <Dsarith> For no returnable asset. Give money to Africa... Why?
[07:59] <Dsarith> Whatever
[07:59] <Jurian> yes, all those bombs cost several billions
[08:00] <Jurian> how does helping 3rd world countries give the us the right to play police over the world?
[08:00] <Dsarith> Regardless... I also believe that War is a necessary evil. Without war, in history, this world would be over crowded.
[08:00] <Ptomais> usa soldiers are EVERYWHERE in the world. Even here in Holland, we have 11 USA nukes, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION...
[08:00] <Dsarith> Now its different because of WMD
[08:00] <Dsarith> Govt can really destroy the world
[08:01] <Ptomais> now?
[08:01] <Jurian> Ptomais: we do? time to sabotage them.. reprogram the fuckers to go back to the US
[08:01] <Ptomais> for several decades
[08:01] <Ptomais> jurian: luchtmachtbasis folkel
[08:01] <Dsarith> Ptomais, you can try :-)
[08:01] <Jurian> nasty shit
[08:01] <Dsarith> Every empire fails and US will fail at some point
[08:02] <Jurian> yep
[08:02] <Ptomais> official dial from our government, but if we call the international atomic agency then they agree
[08:02] <Ptomais> jurian, i will give you a link
[08:02] <Dsarith> Britain controlled half the world in the 1800, now they are a small island
[08:02] <Dsarith> Interesting
[08:02] <Jurian> okay ! :)
[08:03] <Cruithne> damn bloody english
[08:04] <Ptomais> http://www.vpro.nl/programma/vanavond/index.shtml?2785571+7986520+8048888 (dutch) dan de uitzending van 31 jan. 03
[08:04] <Ogmios> who ruled the seas ruled the world
[08:04] <Ptomais> the dutch!
[08:04] <Dsarith> Yep
[08:04] <Ptomais> :)
[08:04] <Dsarith> Now its who controls the air controls the world
[08:04] <Dsarith> I have a question for you all...
[08:05] <Jurian> Ptomais: hrm, nasty
[08:05] <Dsarith> Why would Iraq shoot at planes right now. Seems like a big waste of equipment
[08:05] <Cruithne> playing with the devil
[08:05] <Cruithne> lol
[08:05] <Dsarith> lol
[08:06] <Ptomais> why should they not? you mean they sould keep the ammunition for ' the invasion'
[08:06] <Dsarith> Yes, that would be smart
[08:06] <Dsarith> I would think
[08:06] <Dsarith> This who thing will turn into ww3 probably
[08:07] <Dsarith> whole thing
[08:07] <Jurian> yeah, little doubt about that
[08:07] <Cruithne> it's started in 91  been on going since
[08:07] <Ogmios> not enough time for full scale ww3
[08:07] <Dsarith> True, let me say if they had enough time, it would :-)
[08:08] <Dsarith> PX is a good thing in comparison
[08:08] <Cruithne> it will happen quick.....
[08:08] <Jurian> yes, if I have the choice, I'll pick PX
[08:08] <Dsarith> Me too Jurian
[08:08] <Ptomais> hope you dont belong to the 90% die-off
[08:09] <Jurian> I wont
[08:09] <Jurian> and if I do, so be it
[08:09] <Dsarith> Not me ... lol
[08:09] <Jurian> not gonna bother wondering "what if I die?"
[08:09] <Dsarith> I run really fast
[08:09] <Jurian> if I die, too bad, if I dont, I'll make the best of it :)
[08:09] <Jurian> IF PX even exists, of course :)
[08:10] <Ptomais> we'll see soon if it's true
[08:10] <Dsarith> March 30th for sure
[08:10] <Jurian> yep
[08:11] <Cruithne> pole shift is coming , don't know about px tho
[08:12] <Ptomais> why are you so sure about the poleshift and not about px?
[08:13] <Cruithne> because a pole shift is 1 thing & px another
[08:14] <Ptomais> the poleshift is according to the Z coused by px (am i right?)
[08:14] <Ptomais> caused
[08:16] <Cruithne> yeah
[08:17] <Ptomais> so if you're not sure about px then you must not at all be sure about the poleshift, for px CAUSES the ps, according to the Z
[08:18] <Cruithne> must not leaves no room for doubt...so i say u must be wrong
[08:21] <Ptomais> whatever the subject is, logically it doesn't fit. but never mind
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[08:32] <QueenVee> hello all
[08:34] <Dsarith> Hiya QV
[08:34] <Dsarith> How are you doing today and how is your dog doing
[08:34] <QueenVee> i'm okay, still struggling with the dog
[08:35] <QueenVee> i think the control collar is the only thing that's going to work
[08:35] <QueenVee> it's bitterly cold here today
[08:36] <Dsarith> Ok, then email me your address dear. PO Box is good if you prefer. I will send you a collar. I think your life will be a hundred times better :-)
[08:36] <raincity> watching the powell UN show...
[08:36] <QueenVee> i can't let you do that
[08:37] <QueenVee> raincity: what do you think about that charade?
[08:38] <QueenVee> Dsarith: have you been watching the Powell Show?
[08:38] <raincity> I think Saddam's days are numbered.
[08:38] <Dsarith> I am listening to it
[08:38] <Dsarith> :-)
[08:38] <Dsarith> QV: Email please. Its much cheaper here and no problem
[08:51] <Cruithne>  thinks colon powell oughta tweeze his brows off
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[09:03] <QueenVee> hello Ptomais
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[09:05] <Ogmios> hi
[09:05] <Ogmios> how are you victoria?
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[09:05] <QueenVee> hello NNM, what brings you to this room?
[09:06] <QueenVee> i'm good petri, how's the weather in Finland?
[09:06] <NNM> curiosity
[09:06] <NNM> what is this?
[09:06] <QueenVee> mmmm, wrong answer
[09:06] <QueenVee> please note:
[09:06] <Ogmios> snowing here..and windy
[09:06] <QueenVee> 'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[09:06] <NNM> anyone called attila here?
[09:06] <QueenVee> nope
[09:07] <NNM> i meant "real" name
[09:07] <QueenVee> bye bye NNM
[09:07] <NNM> waaaiiit
[09:07] <Cruithne> he died on da plane
[09:07] <QueenVee> yes?
[09:07] <Ogmios> what
[09:08] <NNM> i m just gonna hide in back and listen... see what this is... hehe
[09:08] <QueenVee> no, you're not
[09:08] <NNM> why??
[09:08] <QueenVee> bye bye
[09:08] <QueenVee> go to #earthchanges for more information
[09:08] <NNM> why am i disturbing? isn t this public?
[09:08] <QueenVee> no, it's not public
[09:08] <NNM> someone told me to go here
[09:08] <QueenVee> it's a private chat room for those seriously preparing for the poleshift
[09:09] <QueenVee> "someone"?
[09:09] <NNM> oh
[09:09] <Ogmios> where
[09:09] <NNM> isn t it over Siberia now?
[09:09] <NNM> the pole
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[09:09] * NNM was kicked by QueenVee (have a nice life)
[09:09] <Dsarith> Well you tried to be nice... :-)
[09:10] <QueenVee> hehe
[09:10] <QueenVee> Dsarith: are you at work right now?
[09:13] <Ogmios> so...what are these "evidences" what powell have?
[09:13] <QueenVee> what are they?
[09:14] <QueenVee> they're fabricated, that's what they are
[09:14] <Ogmios> not surprise
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[09:14] <QueenVee> hello Frank
[09:14] <Frank> hey Queen
[09:14] <Frank> hows it going?
[09:14] <QueenVee> we were just talking about the Colin Powell Show on TV....
[09:15] <Frank> cool
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[09:15] <Frank> is he talking about Iraq?
[09:15] <QueenVee> did you watch?
[09:15] <Frank> I just woke up:)
[09:15] <Frank> Is he saying anything good?
[09:16] <Ogmios> where you live Frank?
[09:16] <QueenVee> he was presenting the UN with the "evidence" against Iraq -- none of which is very convincing...
[09:16] <Frank> I mean is he making his case
[09:16] <Frank> wow
[09:16] <Frank> I think they want to attack Iraq with even no evidence at all
[09:17] <zod> The US has Millions of dollars to create movies, so I assume they can shed a few  millions on creating false evidence which appears REAL to the world. The question is do WE TRUST them
[09:17] <Frank> yes very good zod
[09:17] <QueenVee> zod: i wouldn't trust them as far as i could throw them
[09:17] <Frank> I think the zetas say no war
[09:18] <Ogmios> revelations mention war?
[09:18] <QueenVee> correct, that is still their prediction, though the also say it is in the hands of man....
[09:18] <zod> The type of weapons mentioned were horrible., I wonder what Britain, USA , And Israel have ?  You can bet they have 10 times more than Iraq
[09:18] <QueenVee> i can't believe CNN
[09:18] <Frank> oh yes
[09:18] <Frank> its crazy
[09:19] <zod> The zeta said on Saturday "You will not be permitted to Blow up Planetx or Invade Iraq oil fields.  You will be stopped"  I took that as message directly to the Bush adminsitration
[09:19] <QueenVee> they're saying that Powell presented a list of evidence that no one can refute....
[09:19] <QueenVee> puleeze
[09:19] <QueenVee> zod: oh, yes, you're right.... my mistake....
[09:19] <Frank> I cant stand Powell
[09:20] <QueenVee> he's such an Uncle Tom
[09:20] <zod> That was Brillaint news to me.  They will intervene with the blessing of the council of worlds
[09:21] <Frank> I wonder if Powell knows about planet-x?
[09:21] <QueenVee> zod: though, to be a stickler, that statement does not preclude an invasion of Iraq -- just not the oil fields
[09:21] <zod> Of course he does.  This iraq things could also be a "roost" to keep us busy
[09:21] <QueenVee> Frank: i don't think he's part of that particular club -- they only pull him out when they need a toady....
[09:22] <Frank> hehe
[09:22] <zod> He is very good at articulating his Goverment views
[09:22] <QueenVee> you assume he wrote that brief?
[09:23] <zod> Whenever I hear BUSH speak, It makes me wonder how he got "close" to be elected.  He is a bit short in the communication field
[09:23] <Frank> brb
[09:23] <QueenVee> i can't believe he allows himself to be used
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[09:23] <zod> Everthing is relative. From their point of view, they are "doing the right" things
[09:24] <QueenVee> that's why they didn't have Bush talk to the UN - he's not able to stick to a prepared text....
[09:24] <zod> Queen...I agree with that, Anytime you see him beside one of his "fireside" chat, he comes short on the articulation field
[09:24] <QueenVee> zod: but to them "right" means "advantageous to us, no matter what the consequences to others".....
[09:25] <zod> true!
[09:25] <raincity> FoxNews calls the presentation a "treasure trove of smoking guns". lol.
[09:26] <QueenVee> speaking of toadies....
[09:26] <raincity> Ever since Bush was installed we hear a lot of old-western slang.
[09:26] <raincity> shoot from the hip.
[09:27] <QueenVee> wow, it's like 1984....
[09:29] <zod> I rememeber when septem 11, he mentioend "wanted, dead or alive"...old western slang..and tells us of his values and belivee
[09:29] <zod> er...1984.the time period ...or the film :0
[09:29] <Ogmios> book
[09:29] <zod> Grr...
[09:29] <QueenVee> lol, CNN says that americans will be able to see that the evidence presented is irefutable, but that Europeans may not....
[09:30] <QueenVee> LOL
[09:30] <Ogmios> and film..i like book better
[09:30] <Ogmios> george orwell!
[09:30] <zod> Listen to the bbc and see how we view it www.bbc.co.uk/radio4  (listen on the HOUR for the main news)
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[09:33] <QueenVee> mmmm, looks like the Americans were listening in....
[09:33] <zod> eh
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[09:36] <islander> hi all
[09:36] <QueenVee> the French representative is making an excellent speech
[09:36] <zod> greetinsg sialander
[09:36] <QueenVee> hiya islander
[09:36] <zod> I have no cable, have to wait until 6 olcok to catch the main news'
[09:37] <QueenVee> basically saying that war has to be a last resort, in view of the risks to innocent victims involved, and that every other option has to first be exhausted
[09:38] <QueenVee> the "evidence" is simply not compelling enough to justify war at this point
[09:38] <zod> what would you like to happen queeen ?
[09:39] <QueenVee> zod: obviously i would like to see war avoided
[09:40] <QueenVee> you?
[09:40] <zod> Same here.  Wot concernes me is the amount of weapons that saddam has, also means that other nations MUST have a collosall amount. Obviously USA, Britain do not want any "potential" enemey to have anything to FIGHT/Defend themself
[09:41] <zod> It seems to me that IRAQ needs some form of effective weapons to STOP other invading it  (just like what Britain, USa, Israle have).  
[09:42] <QueenVee> well, what the europeans recognize is that this could be the beginning of a slippery slope... how many more countries will the US feel compelled to "disarm", thus further increasing the current imbalance of power in the world....
[09:43] <zod> With this great agression against Irag, I am not suprise they (iraq) are not comming clean. Imagine they disarm, and then get invaded anyway (which they believ is what the USA wants to do)
[09:43] <QueenVee> well, iraq has been deliberately backed into a corner
[09:44] <QueenVee> bottom line is that containment has worked until now, and there is no reason to go to war
[09:44] <zod> true...and also containment has fuel saddame situation in his country.
[09:44] <Ogmios> china has weapons of mass destruction and is not democratic
[09:45] <Dsarith> China is a super power more or less
[09:45] <Ogmios> iraq isnt
[09:45] <Dsarith> Too many people to fight :-)
[09:45] <Ogmios> yes
[09:45] <QueenVee> not to mention North Korea
[09:46] <Dsarith> Iraq is ran by a mad man. Saddam would have no problem selling his biological weapons to terroist... that is what maes him dangerous
[09:46] <QueenVee> this "pre-emptive strike" idea, based on "top secret"  US intelligence reports, is extremely dangerous
[09:46] <Ptomais> china nor north korea possess large oil fields
[09:46] <zod> Sistaion like this, gives Saddame cause to sell/give the weapons
[09:46] <QueenVee> Ptomais: are you suggesting this is really about oil?????
[09:47] <Ptomais> plays a great role i think
[09:47] <Ogmios> area is strategically important
[09:47] <QueenVee> i'm shockecd
[09:47] <Dsarith> It has to be more than Oil I think
[09:48] <Dsarith> :-)
[09:48] <Ogmios> well there is iran right next to iraq
[09:48] <Ogmios> and syria..
[09:48] <Ptomais> we saw it in afghanistan, a $ 1.000.000.000.000 oil contract was signed
[09:49] <Dsarith> Afghan doesnt have oil
[09:49] <Dsarith> I dont think
[09:49] <Dsarith> Now Kuwait does
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[09:50] <QueenVee> Dsarith: Afghanistan is strategically placed for a pipeline, that's what the contract was for
[09:50] <Dsarith> Oh gotcha
[09:50] <Dsarith> My position is that Saddam needs to be ousted by his neighbors not US.
[09:52] <Ptomais> US government supported Taliban in the past for i could bring stability in the region, so they could build their pipeline.
[09:53] <Ptomais> i=they
[09:54] <Dsarith> It may be true, it may be about the oil and Saddam is just bonus and justification
[09:54] <Dsarith> I cant figure out why US would be dealing with them now
[09:54] <QueenVee> dealing with who?
[09:55] <Dsarith> With Iraq, if its not about the oil
[09:56] <QueenVee> exactly
[09:56] <Dsarith> Other than Saddam is a danger to the world
[09:56] <QueenVee> how is saddam a danger to the world; who has he been aggressive towards since the first Gulf War?
[09:56] <Dsarith> Of course, I am a conservative isolationist so I am in the minority here ;-)
[09:57] <Dsarith> You can bet Saddam wouldnt hesitate to sell his WMD to anyone. This is what makes him dangerous.
[09:57] <QueenVee> And the Russians, Chinese, and North Koreans wouldn't?
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[09:58] <QueenVee> there is no evidence whatsoever that he has sold his WMD to anyone, despite the implications be the US
[09:58] <Dsarith> No, I think they are self regulating at least better than Saddam
[09:58] <Ogmios> what is iran's role in this..
[09:58] <raincity> Iraq and Al Qaeda have a high level arrangement...bases in kuridish areas in northern Iraq.
[09:58] <QueenVee> raincity: there is NO evidence of that whatsoever
[09:58] <Ptomais> USA supported a lot of 'saddam's' in the past, even saddam in person. So it has nothing to do with ' freeing a country from an evil dictator'
[09:59] <Dsarith> That is true QV, at least at this point
[09:59] <raincity> Captured Al Qaeda operatives have alluded to this arrangement many times.
[09:59] <Dsarith> I agree PT
[09:59] <Dsarith> There is more to it
[09:59] <QueenVee> Ptomais: yes, exactly
[09:59] <Dsarith> Interesting Rain
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[09:59] <QueenVee> And the US couldn't have cared less about the danger Saddam posed to the Kurds when they were supporting him
[09:59] <raincity> It has been said before, but it is a part of the Powell presentation.
[10:00] <Jurian> back
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[10:00] <QueenVee> raincity: the US government has made a lot of allegations that it has not been able to prove
[10:00] <Jurian> what's been happening in the last hour? anything intelligent after the "al queda" babbling?
[10:00] <QueenVee> it's important to udnerstand the distinctdion
[10:00] <QueenVee> Jurian: nothing substantial
[10:01] <Jurian> right, such a surprise!
[10:01] <Jurian> NOT :)
[10:01] <raincity> US also couldn't prove Al Quaeda was planning on US attacks but...
[10:01] <QueenVee> and the US wouldn't lie, would they...?
[10:01] <Dsarith> Al Quaeda is not an innocent group of people loving people
[10:01] <Jurian> HEHEHEHE
[10:01] <Jurian> of course not :)
[10:02] <raincity> Everyone lies when it suits their purpose.
[10:02] <QueenVee> The U.S. government is not an innnocent group of people loving people....
[10:02] <Dsarith> True too
[10:02] <QueenVee> the only victims are the innocent civilians
[10:02] <Dsarith> I dont know why the govt seems to think it must police the world
[10:02] <raincity> The US govt. wants to be overly pro-active so the people don't blame them when the next big attack occurs.
[10:03] <QueenVee> Dsarith: i don't know why your govt seems to think is has the right to rule the world
[10:03] <QueenVee> raincity: OH PULEEZE
[10:03] <QueenVee> your naievete is just too much
[10:03] <raincity> I don't view myself as an innocent civilian.
[10:03] <Dsarith> I agree QV. If I was president, this nation would be and isolationist nation.
[10:03] <Ralf> isolationism is economically unproductive
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[10:04] <Ptomais> ralf that depends
[10:04] <Dsarith> Ralf, somewhat true, but US gives out so much money that we can turn it inward and fix things that need fixed in US
[10:04] <Ralf> i agree with that
[10:04] <raincity> The views of the left are well known to me...but I am not on the left.
[10:04] <raincity> But, I can respect your right to feel that way.
[10:05] <Ralf> but on the same token
[10:05] <Dsarith> IF US gets attacked then retribution is 3 x as bad. Deterring future attacks
[10:05] <Ralf> i don't believe the US's wealth is finite.
[10:05] <Ptomais> in the early days of the USA their isolationistic polity was very profitable, they could build up an own industry
[10:05] <Dsarith> That is how Israel has survived
[10:05] <raincity> Many in power believe that if you are not "on the attack" you are being attacked.
[10:06] <QueenVee> fascinating how different the american and canadian media reports are about the Powell Show.... CNN says Powell has presented an irrefutable case that cannot be ignored; CBC says he's presented nothing new and the status quo will not change....
[10:06] <Dsarith> That is true rain
[10:06] <Ralf> ptomais, the world is a considerably different place than it was in 1989, don't you think?
[10:06] <Jurian> Dsarith: yes, and we all know how "loved" israel is!
[10:06] <Dsarith> lol
[10:06] <Jurian> not an example you'd want the US to follow
[10:06] <Ralf> it's certainly MUCH different than it was in 1789.
[10:06] <Dsarith> Yes Jurian
[10:06] <Ptomais> ralf nowadays indeed
[10:06] <Ptomais> thats why i said: it depends
[10:06] <raincity> QueenVee: Canada mainstream view is seen as "left" to American mainstream view.
[10:06] <Dsarith> Jurian: Its exactly the way I think US should be. Deterrent is the best medicine in an isolated nation.
[10:06] <raincity> That's why the difference.
[10:07] <QueenVee> raincity: so?
[10:07] <raincity> So, the two will not agree on this issue.
[10:07] <Jurian> Dsarith: we're supposed to be ONE WORLD, ONE PEOPLE, we need to stop fighting each other
[10:07] <QueenVee> gee, no kidding
[10:07] <Jurian> isolationism DOES NOT help get there
[10:07] <Jurian> quite the opposite
[10:07] <QueenVee> do you know of any country that DOES agree with the US on this issue?
[10:07] <Dsarith> AS long as their our Govt in place, it wont happen
[10:07] <Jurian> it just makes it all worse
[10:08] <obaway> QueenVee: mmmm i don't ...
[10:08] <QueenVee> and don't say Britain, because there is little support there among the people and media
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[10:08] <QueenVee> hi obany
[10:08] <Dsarith> Yes, but we do not live in a eutopian world, therefore world peace is impossible. Govt by nature is STS
[10:08] <Ptomais> the problem there in Brittain, as in Italy and Spain ect.: the government is the one in power... not the people
[10:08] <Jurian> heh, small mind
[10:09] <Jurian> "the world isn't perfect, why bother trying"
[10:09] <QueenVee> Dsarith: that is not the case in all countries
[10:09] <Jurian> that's exactly what caused this damn mess in the first place
[10:09] <Dsarith> Oh I am realist too
[10:09] <QueenVee> Ptomais: isn't that the problem in the US as well?
[10:09] <Ptomais> absolutely!
[10:09] <Dsarith> So I am a conservatist, isolationist realist... lol
[10:09] <Tarsharah> I have given up on the subject of Saddam. I got the feeling that there are those who have already decided what they are going to do. There is nothing left but for me to decide how I wil act in response to there action.
[10:10] <QueenVee> Ptomais: raincity and i were talking about the mainstream views of the citizens and media of those countries -- not the governments
[10:10] <QueenVee> Tarsharah: and how will you act in response to their action?
[10:11] <Jurian> I think its time europe started inspecting the US for weapons of mass destruction
[10:11] <Ptomais> ok, most of the time when people talk about countries, they talk about the countries' government.
[10:11] <QueenVee> Jurian: agreed!
[10:11] <QueenVee> Ptomais: we clearly were not
[10:11] <Tarsharah> I will continue to focus on my purpose. How can I go wrong doing that.
[10:11] <QueenVee> and what is your purpose, Tarsharah?
[10:11] <raincity> What confuses the issue, of course, is that although the public oppinion can make a difference in US or Canada in many of these countries the public's feeling have always been irrelevant.
[10:11] <Dsarith> I will be back in a bit
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[10:12] <QueenVee> and how is focusing on your purpose a "response" to their actions?
[10:12] <QueenVee> raincity: but we were talking about the US and Canada, so what's your point?
[10:12] <Ptomais> jurian: there have been 'inspection'trips to Folkel, where the 11 USA nukes are stored, but it hardly passed the fences
[10:12] <QueenVee> actually, we were discussing the US, Canada, and Britain....
[10:12] <raincity> QueenVee: my point is that the "public's feelings" are only relevant to the issue in a handfull of countries.
[10:13] <QueenVee> raincity: well, it's an irrelevant point because that handful of countries is what we were discussing
[10:13] <Ralf> see
[10:13] <Jurian> Ptomais: heh, sad shit
[10:13] <Ralf> i think the US should be allowed to keep weapons of mass destruction
[10:13] <Jurian> why?
[10:13] <QueenVee> *Tarsharah* I feel being my true self is a good response to anyaction.
[10:13] <raincity> For example, Turkey, the public is over 90% opposed to the US stance, but the government is going to roll out the red carpet for us.
[10:14] <QueenVee> Tarsharah: that is the stupidest thing i've ever heard
[10:14] <Ralf> well
[10:14] <Ralf> we developed them, first of all
[10:14] <Ralf> they're also a major deterrent against nations like iraq
[10:14] <Ralf> or china
[10:15] <QueenVee> raincity: nice seguay away from what we were actually talking about...
[10:15] <raincity> In 1998 I was hoping this kind of action would be taken against Iraq but nobody seemed to care at the time.
[10:15] <Ralf> and they give potential nutjobs with ideas of becoming the next adolf hitler in check
[10:15] <QueenVee> raincity: why?
[10:15] <Ralf> err
[10:15] <Ralf> s/in check blah you know what i meant
[10:16] <QueenVee> what was iraq doing in 1998?
[10:16] <Tarsharah> ok, opinion noted.
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[10:16] <raincity> Kicked out UN inspectors and restarted all WMD programs, while claiming he "won" the Gulf War.
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[10:17] <QueenVee> raincity: are you aware that he did NOT actually kick out the inspectors, that that is a myth that has been spread by the US?
[10:17] <QueenVee> hi cmell
[10:17] <Ogmios> saddam is more like stalin..slaughters his own ppl
[10:17] <cmell> hello
[10:17] <Jurian> raincity: well, he DID win, he survived, so in his opinion, he won :p
[10:17] <obany> huh we are not saying here that Saddam is a good guy
[10:17] <cmell> no hes more like the stain that should have been :(
[10:17] <Ogmios> saddam is a threat to iraqi ppl
[10:17] <raincity> Bush elder was afraid there was not enough UN support to oust Saddam back in 91.
[10:17] <QueenVee> Ogmios: saddam is not much different from American leaders -- all are willing to sacrifice the well being of their people to achieve their ends
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[10:18] <cmell> hi fire
[10:18] <firelord> hi all
[10:18] <QueenVee> hello firelord
[10:18] <firelord> greetings QV
[10:18] <QueenVee> for those who haven't met him yet, Firelord is in Greece
[10:18] <firelord> greetings QV
[10:18] <cmell> ok hello greece
[10:18] <firelord> hi cmell
[10:18] <Tarsharah> interesting conversation check in later
[10:19] <cmell> just a sec brb
[10:19] <firelord> so wassup this fine evening?
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[10:19] <firelord> funky weather outside, wind has really picked up
[10:20] * ChanServ sets mode: +o cmell
[10:20] <QueenVee> what's the weather like there, firelord>?
[10:20] <firelord> we have been having some freaky weather patterns recently
[10:20] <cmell> it sure is a fine evening
[10:20] <cmell> :)
[10:20] <QueenVee> what's the temperature?
[10:20] <firelord> ranging from high temps...
[10:21] <firelord> err single digit Cs
[10:21] <firelord> must be about 9
[10:21] <firelord> a couple of weeks ago we had freak hail
[10:21] <cmell> in dk it's close to 0 c
[10:21] <firelord> the streets looked as if they were snowed up after that
[10:21] <cmell> heh
[10:22] <cmell> not too many accidents I hope
[10:22] <firelord> thank god no
[10:22] <cmell> thank god :)
[10:22] <firelord> a funky storm preceded the hail
[10:22] <firelord> looked like a desert electric storm
[10:23] <cmell> hhmmm
[10:23] <firelord> with a lot of lighting activity
[10:23] <cmell> strange
[10:23] <firelord> nothing like I have seen locally
[10:23] <firelord> <----found extra pac of cigs heeh
[10:24] <QueenVee> nice, i'm just listening to a report on the news about how all non-Kuwaiti nationals are taking steps to leave Kuwait in anticipation of fighting there, as are well-to do Kuwaitis -- leaving the lower class and poor to take the bullets and bombs, as usual......
[10:24] <cmell> good 4 you
[10:25] <firelord> I have a friend and client who is a muslim
[10:25] <cmell> bummer
[10:25] <firelord> he is british and lives in malaysia
[10:25] <firelord> actually I like that guy he is all laughs
[10:25] <firelord> plus he is a very good client
[10:25] <QueenVee> wow, in spite of being a muslim, eh...?
[10:26] <cmell> nice, most ppl is nice firelord
[10:26] <firelord> so this guy went for a pilgrimage in meccah back in the 70s
[10:26] <firelord> and noticed that the men kept the women and the children walking behind them 6 paces
[10:26] <cmell> I believe I'm nice too fire !
[10:26] <firelord> as tradition calls
[10:26] <firelord> ok cmell
[10:26] <firelord> :-D
[10:27] <firelord> but when he returned to Saudi a couple of years ago he noticed that....
[10:27] <firelord> the kids were walking first
[10:27] <firelord> then the woman
[10:27] <cmell> despite religion we are all nice !
[10:27] <firelord> then the man
[10:27] <firelord> so he asked why the change
[10:27] <firelord> the answer was a single word
[10:27] <firelord> mines
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[10:28] <QueenVee> ah
[10:28] <raincity> sick, but funny.
[10:28] <cmell> ok thats not nice
[10:28] <firelord> thats the middle east
[10:28] <raincity> it's a dark sense of humor.
[10:28] <firelord> plus its a true story
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[10:28] <QueenVee> since when have their been mines in Saudi?
[10:29] <cmell> why are the men more worthy of living than children and women ???
[10:29] <firelord> <---shrugs
[10:29] <firelord> hey I just passed on a story!
[10:29] <QueenVee> obviously NOT a true story
[10:29] <cmell> yeah kill the messenger
[10:30] <firelord> yahoo messenger?
[10:30] <cmell> QV why do you think it is intrue ?
[10:30] <firelord> what makes you think Q V that there are no mines in saudi?
[10:31] <cmell> untrue
[10:31] <QueenVee> planted by who?
[10:31] <firelord> let me think...
[10:31] <Ptomais> the saudi elite goes hunting in Algeria for they slaughtered their almost all  wildlife in their homeland.
[10:31] <firelord> the saudis?
[10:31] <Jurian> by saddam of course!
[10:31] <raincity> The only mines in Saudi Arabia were laid along the Iraqi side of the border before the outbreak of the Gulf War.  But, these are actually inside Iraq.
[10:31] <cmell> the saudis were the ones that paid for 9/11
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[10:32] <raincity> Indirectly, yes.
[10:32] <cmell> at least yes
[10:32] <firelord> QV, what is the US military doing to prepare for a possible poleshift?
[10:32] <QueenVee> firelord: nothing
[10:32] <firelord> hmm
[10:33] <cmell> they are making bases in saudiarabia
[10:33] <cmell> and in afghanistan
[10:33] <firelord> and afghanistan, plus a few other FSU states
[10:33] <QueenVee> firelord: do you mean the US government?
[10:33] <cmell> yes
[10:33] <firelord> considering that the military is a tool of gov, I thought it was pretty much the same
[10:33] <cmell> I think fire means that
[10:34] <cmell> oh btw I mean that too
[10:35] <QueenVee> well, ZetaTalk indicates that the elite members of the government are privately preparing their bunkers, that the real underlying reason for the Iraq business is to have troops positioned in the middle east for takeover after the shift -- but officially the U.S. government is doing and saying nothing
[10:35] <firelord> if boeing or m$ is moving out of seattle, should we not see some indications on the part of the US gov?
[10:35] <cmell> yes
[10:35] <QueenVee> firelord: there are indications all over the place, just not any official indications
[10:36] <raincity> m$ is still in Redmond.
[10:36] <firelord> circumstantial evidence as we lawyers say:-D
[10:36] <cmell> what are your personal thoughts QV ?
[10:36] <QueenVee> cmell: about what?
[10:36] <cmell> about all this
[10:37] <QueenVee> please be more specific, we've been talking about a lot of stuff....
[10:37] <firelord> just a thought: if a poleshift does happen I wont have to pay the lease for the car hehehe
[10:37] <cmell> about "US" making bases in various places in the world ?
[10:38] <cmell> in preparation of PS
[10:38] <QueenVee> that makes perfect sense to me, and in fact i thought that was the case before ZT specifically said so....
[10:39] <cmell> yes me too, and I dislike it
[10:39] <firelord> could be a case of not putting all your eggs in one basket
[10:39] <cmell> perhaps
[10:39] * Dsarith-away is now known as Dsarith
[10:39] <cmell> hey dsarith
[10:39] <Dsarith> Hi cmell
[10:39] <firelord> plus central asia is a perfect place for avoiding predicted calamities
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[10:39] <cmell> I guess so
[10:40] <cmell> hi tied2
[10:40] <firelord> yeah hi
[10:40] <QueenVee> firelord: the elite are not building their bunkers outside the US
[10:40] <QueenVee> just positioning their troops elsewhere for military takeover after the shift -- a plan that ZT says is completely deluded.... but the plan nonetheless....
[10:41] <cmell> is there
[10:41] <firelord> yeah hi
[10:41] <firelord> crap I lost my post
[10:41] <firelord> another thought...HAARP may be a way to set up post facto radio c and c networks with troops abroad, amongst other things
[10:41] <cmell> he
[10:41] <firelord> ah there it is
[10:41] <obany> it was that Bush doesn't take the pole shift scenaria as told by the Zetas serious, so he thinks that he will be able to rule Iraq afterwards
[10:41] <cmell> haarp is a total failure
[10:41] <QueenVee> yes, except ZT says HAARP does not exist.....
[10:42] <cmell> ok
[10:42] <firelord> how dependable is ZT anyhow?
[10:42] <tied2> «§» Hello  «§»
[10:42] <QueenVee> it has a high accuracy rate thus far...
[10:42] <Ptomais> bye
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[10:42] <cmell> hey fire if you ask that you dont belong here
[10:43] <firelord> I have an analytical mind
[10:43] <firelord> I have to ask
[10:43] <cmell> this channel is for belivers
[10:43] <QueenVee> yeah, ZT predictions are not very dependable, nonetheless we're seriously preparing for the poleshift predicted by ZT....
[10:44] <QueenVee> cmell: no, that is not true
[10:44] <raincity> this channel is for people who wish to prepare...I think.
[10:44] <cmell> what ?
[10:44] <cmell> plz explain
[10:44] <firelord> never said ZT were fraudsters deserving years and years of incarceration....jeez
[10:44] <QueenVee> cmell: please do not use that word "believers" -- i don't care what people "believe", as long as they respect the discussion parameters of this room....
[10:45] <firelord> an excellent point!
[10:45] <cmell> ok sorry
[10:45] <firelord> I still like u cmell:-D
[10:45] <cmell> what should I say
[10:45] <QueenVee> it isn't a religion requiring "belief"
[10:45] <cmell> thx fire
[10:45] * Dsarith Bad Cmell... Bad Cmell
[10:45] <cmell> I didnt mean it like that QV
[10:45] <QueenVee> cmell: you should say exactly what the notice says:
[10:45] <QueenVee>  'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[10:46] <raincity> It is a good plan to prepare for the pole shift, in any case, because it will also be a good preperation for a ww3 or semi-ww3.
[10:46] <QueenVee> one can be seriously preparing without 100% "believing"....
[10:46] <firelord> my idea when I first read about x and the shift is prepare for the worst and still keep thinking and reading
[10:46] <Ralf> actually
[10:46] <QueenVee> and obviously if one doesn't take it very seriously, they're not going to be seriously preparing....
[10:46] * Ralf takes the outsider's viewpoint
[10:46] <QueenVee> Firelord: a very wise and sensible approach
[10:46] <cmell> yes ok ok, I return to the herd
[10:46] <Ralf> without a serious, nearly dedicated belief that this is going to happen
[10:46] <Ralf> nobody's going to spend the time and energy
[10:47] <Dsarith> Ralf takes the outsider viewpoint cuz no one can kick him..:-)
[10:47] <Ralf> to build a bunker
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[10:47] <Ralf> and store up a year's worth of food and supplies
[10:47] <Hillel> hello
[10:47] <Ralf> or more
[10:47] <firelord> my country is a seismic area, my preps can be used in case of a quake
[10:47] <cmell> I am going to be out in the open
[10:47] <Ralf> that takes dedication and belief. :-)
[10:47] <obany> i would never call it a believe ... believe is such a big word
[10:47] <QueenVee> Ralf: do you know anyone here who has built a bunker?
[10:47] <Ralf> no
[10:47] <firelord> saddam
[10:47] <firelord> hahaah
[10:48] <cmell> have you QV ?
[10:48] <Ralf> but i seem to remember a few weeks ago where people were talking about using shipping containers, etc. :-)
[10:48] <Ralf> and
[10:48] <Jurian> heh, containers is a dumb idea
[10:48] <Ralf> just to clarify something
[10:48] <cmell> I remember that too ralf
[10:48] <Jurian> just dumb
[10:48] <Ralf> i can be kicked and banned just like anyone else!
[10:48] <Jurian> they're DAMN WEAK
[10:48] <QueenVee> well, aside from the fact that ZT says bunkers will collapse -- and therefore i wouldn't build one no matter how much i was convinced....
[10:49] <Jurian> containers have a strong skeleton, and a strong bottom
[10:49] <Jurian> the sides / "roof" are damn weak tho
[10:49] <cmell> have you build anything
[10:49] <Jurian> just el-cheapo metal
[10:49] <firelord> <---not planning to build anything
[10:49] <raincity> You could bury a shipping container partially and then fill the sides with concrete.
[10:49] <QueenVee> most of us are "holding back" from serious financial investment until further "proof" is forthcoming; however, that does not prevent you from "seriously preparing" -- i.e. researching, putting together a very specific and detailed plan....
[10:49] <firelord> damn I am planning to get married in September
[10:49] <raincity> But, leave the top open.
[10:49] <Jurian> heh, I am mentally prepared for IF it happens
[10:50] <cmell> yes thats true QV
[10:50] <Jurian> need more proof before I start physically prepping tho :P
[10:50] <cmell> thats where Im at
[10:50] <firelord> I have already plotted an escape route inland
[10:50] <cmell> reading about distilling
[10:50] <Jurian> firelord: that's never a bad thing :)
[10:51] <firelord> hehe
[10:51] <QueenVee> just to clarify once and for all: where i draw the line in this room is people who take an attitude of "I'm not even going to bother to prepare until i see the red cross in the sky" -- that is not seriously preparing
[10:51] <firelord> plus I can use it if I decide to skip my wedding heeheheh
[10:51] <cmell> go to mount olympus fire .... hehe
[10:51] <Jurian> heh, I wouldn't wait that long
[10:51] <Ralf> firelord: skip it anyway... marriage is evil. :-p
[10:51] <cmell> haha
[10:51] <Jurian> however, end of next month, the pictures should pretty much prove it beyond any doubt
[10:51] <Dsarith> Exactly ralf
[10:51] <firelord> have to make an honest woman outta my gal
[10:52] <Ralf> attempting the impossible?
[10:52] <Dsarith> She will only ruin your life Firelord
[10:52] <Dsarith> Women do that for some reason
[10:52] <raincity> damn, that's pessimistic.
[10:52] <cmell> nice an honest firelord :)
[10:52] <Dsarith> QV being the exception of course
[10:52] <firelord> come on guys! gimme some support here
[10:52] <QueenVee> people in this room believe there is a serious probability that the poleshift will happen -- they do not BELIEVE IN THE POLESHIFT in some kind of absolute sense -- IS THAT CLEAR????
[10:52] <cmell> yes
[10:52] <firelord> herehere QV
[10:52] <Ralf> quite
[10:52] <Dsarith> No support for you, come buck three months
[10:53] <QueenVee> Dsarith: hey, i've ruined a few men in my day....
[10:53] <cmell> heh
[10:53] <Dsarith> lol
[10:53] <Jurian> buh :p
[10:53] <firelord> I kinda like my gal, plus she is blonde with green eyes
[10:53] <Ralf> i was married and divorced at the ripe old age of 23
[10:53] <firelord> I like that in a woman
[10:53] <cmell> nice QV .... keep it up !! :)
[10:53] <raincity> At least give marriage a chance...it works out around 40% of the time. :)
[10:53] <Ralf> so i don't really have too many positive things to say about marriage. :-p
[10:53] <Jurian> raincity: heh, less these days, I'd think
[10:54] <firelord> only thing that can save me now is a poleshift!
[10:54] <raincity> You can still get lucky and be one of the 3 or 4 out of ten.
[10:54] <firelord> hahaah
[10:54] <cmell> haha
[10:54] <firelord> :-D
[10:54] <firelord> :-))
[10:54] <Ralf> or
[10:54] <raincity> The lottery is pracically impossible to win...except for that one lucky person.
[10:54] <Ralf> you can stay single
[10:54] <Ralf> and go to the bar
[10:54] <firelord> an alien invasion?
[10:54] <firelord> oh
[10:54] <firelord> ok
[10:54] <Ralf> and get lucky 75% of the time
[10:54] <Ralf> take your pick. :-p
[10:54] <Jurian> haha, alien invasion :p
[10:55] <firelord> good one!
[10:55] <Jurian> dont you mean "take your dick" ? :P
[10:55] <cmell> Id only whish
[10:55] <cmell> haha
[10:55] <Ralf> well, since that would generally not be a detachable part of human anatomy
[10:55] <firelord> must shove off, have to pick up my girl and evacuate the office!!
[10:55] <Ralf> it generally gets taken everywhere
[10:55] <QueenVee> bye firelord
[10:55] <Jurian> LOL ralf :p
[10:55] <cmell> hahah
[10:55] <QueenVee> Ralf: too bad men couldn't leave it at home sometimes....
[10:55] <firelord> it was a pleasure all! bye QV thanks 4 putting up with us:-d
[10:56] <Ralf> lol
[10:56] <Jurian> to baldly go, where no-man has gone before :p
[10:56] <cmell> bye
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[10:56] <Ralf> that would kinda be a nice feature
[10:56] <Jurian> hell yes
[10:56] <cmell> haha jurian
[10:56] <Dsarith> Does the attitude have to go with it
[10:56] <QueenVee> yeah, you know, for those times when a man wants to really use his brain...
[10:56] <Ralf> sometimes that thing gets heavy
[10:56] <Jurian> would be rather nice if it were detachable
[10:57] <Dsarith> lol... whatever Ralf
[10:57] <raincity> Not really, I probably would have lost it a long time ago.
[10:57] <Ralf> and it pokes out, when i get a hole in my sock
[10:57] <Ralf> or something
[10:57] <Jurian> LOL
[10:57] <QueenVee> I can see it: "Excuse me while i remove my penis so i can really concentrate on this problem...."
[10:57] <cmell> nice, if it was heavy sometimes :)
[10:57] <Jurian> how the hell would you lose your weener :P
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[10:57] * tied2 is now known as tied2`afk
[10:57] * tied2`afk is now known as tied2
[10:57] <QueenVee> Jurian: ask John Wayne Bobbit
[10:57] <Jurian> HAHA, "My ex stole my weener!"
[10:57] <cmell> yeah ouch
[10:57] <raincity> Jurian: same way I lost many pairs of sunglasses, keys, socks, etc.
[10:58] <Ralf> QueenVee: he didn't lose it, it got chopped off... there's a difference. :-p
[10:58] <Ralf> though
[10:58] <QueenVee> Ralf: as far as i'm concerned, he was careless...
[10:58] <Ralf> to this day
[10:58] <Ralf> i can't understand
[10:58] <Ralf> how like
[10:58] <Ralf> he didn't wake up until the next morning
[10:58] <tied2> good drugs
[10:58] <Dsarith> QV: Yes he slept in the same bed with her
[10:58] <Ralf> i mean
[10:58] <cmell> nice
[10:58] <Ralf> i think that would be the worst thing in the world
[10:58] <Ralf> wake up
[10:58] <Ralf> stretch
[10:58] <QueenVee> ahhhhhhhhh!
[10:59] <cmell> an no weiner
[10:59] <tied2> lol
[10:59] <Ralf> go to the bathroom
[10:59] <raincity> I think the blood loss would be a big clue.
[10:59] <Ralf> take your drawers down to go pee
[10:59] <cmell> aahh
[10:59] <Ralf> and
[10:59] <Jurian> hehe, you ought to notice if your parts are missing, when you wake up..
[10:59] <Ralf> AER!%#@!@$#^!$#^#%R
[10:59] <Ralf> WHERE'S MY WIENER?!@#$
[10:59] <Jurian> lol
[10:59] <QueenVee> i thought we hit rock bottom yesterday.....
[10:59] <cmell> lmao
[10:59] <Jurian> LOL :P
[10:59] <Ralf> QueenVee: everyone needs a break from the seriousness sometimes :D
[10:59] <cmell> but we hit rock bottom today QV
[10:59] <Ralf> oh
[10:59] <Ralf> no
[10:59] <Ralf> i'm here
[11:00] <tied2> well john won't be hitting bottom anymore  lmao
[11:00] <QueenVee> cmell: i don't think this group has a bottom....
[11:00] <Ralf> you haven't even begone to see rock bottom. :-p
[11:00] <cmell> haha
[11:00] <Ralf> begun too
[11:00] <cmell> oh no
[11:00] <QueenVee> this room is a bottomless pit
[11:00] <Jurian> lol
[11:00] <Jurian> good :)
[11:00] <Jurian> keeps things interesting
[11:00] <Ralf> damnit
[11:00] <Ralf> i left my strokes cd at the other store
[11:00] <cmell> just be amused be the pit QV
[11:00] <cmell> :)
[11:00] <raincity> If PX doesn't show up in a couple months, we may be left with nothing but our own charms here to keep us company.  Except for all the unpacking I'll have to do.
[11:00] <cmell> by
[11:01] <Jurian> LOL, yah
[11:01] <Ralf> guess it's time for some old school beastie boys
[11:01] <Jurian> time for the offspring :P
[11:01] <cmell> yeah beastie boys
[11:01] <Ralf> heh i'm showing my age
[11:01] <Ralf> i have cd's from 1986. :-p
[11:02] <Jurian> hehe, I was only 6 then :p
[11:02] <tied2> I still have 8 tracks
[11:02] <cmell> I used to have, but they got stolen :(
[11:02] <Ralf> i was 9. :-p
[11:02] <raincity> I was 16.
[11:02] <Jurian> :)
[11:02] <cmell> in 86 I was 16
[11:02] <Jurian> old fart! :P
[11:03] <raincity> Yeah, I'm starting to see wrinkles under my eyes now.  It is very disturbing.
[11:03] <Jurian> hahaha
[11:03] <raincity> They weren't there a year ago.
[11:03] <cmell> grey hairs too
[11:03] <QueenVee> ooohweeee -- the iraq representative is now speaking, and is accusing the US of having fabricated its "evidence" -- Powell looks as though he's going to hyperventilate....
[11:03] <raincity> No grey hairs yet.
[11:03] <obany> well i was 16 to ... since i am almost 32
[11:03] <cmell> yeah on cnn
[11:03] <QueenVee> well, i'm watching the CBC
[11:04] <cmell> powell
[11:04] * Jurian doesn't have cbc
[11:04] <QueenVee> actually, the guy is making perfect sense....
[11:04] <Jurian> just msnbc and cnn
[11:04] <Ralf> oh
[11:04] <Ralf> i was gonna get up at 7:00 this morning to watch that
[11:04] <Ralf> *laugh*
[11:04] <cmell> heh
[11:04] <Jurian> heh, it wasn't very convincing :p
[11:04] <Jurian> hello?
[11:04] <tied2> I can't understand why if they have all these photo's and track there weapons via satellite then why don't they just right to them?
[11:04] <Jurian> yes!
[11:05] <Jurian> hello!?
[11:05] <Jurian> yes yes!
[11:05] <Jurian> great phone calls!
[11:05] * QueenVee thinks that Ralf is probably barely capable of getting up at 7:00 in the morning to go to the bathroom....
[11:05] <obany> hehehe i am an old dork too
[11:05] <cmell> the meeting is ajourned
[11:05] <obany> hope to get 32 in about 2 weeks
[11:06] <Jurian> :)
[11:06] <obany> feb 20
[11:06] <cmell> you will obany, the world will continue to be
[11:06] <cmell> I promise
[11:06] <obany> sigh i am turning into an old fart .... an old single fart
[11:06] <obany> :P
[11:07] <tied2> I'm 21 with 22 years experience
[11:07] <cmell> damn
[11:07] <raincity> I have one observation :  US observors see the Powell presentation as "very compelling" and European observors find it "without substance".  Nothing new.
[11:07] <QueenVee> better than being a multiple fart
[11:07] <cmell> hahah
[11:07] <raincity> I think everyone's mind on both sides is already made up.
[11:08] <cmell> I find powell without substance, being european myself :)
[11:08] <QueenVee> cmell: yes, naturally, we found his speech without substance solely due to our nationality....
[11:09] <cmell> so how can we make peace ... and not war ????
[11:09] <raincity> It's because different countries hear different propaganda.
[11:09] <tied2> right
[11:09] <cmell> I guess
[11:09] <obany> cmell: cmell, build a time machine and go to the 60's :P
[11:09] <obany> flower power :P
[11:09] <QueenVee> raincity: and so there is NO country in which citizens are able to sort through the propaganda?
[11:09] <cmell> you are from europe yourself Obany
[11:09] <cmell> !!
[11:10] <cmell> ??
[11:10] <obany> i am well a real dutchman yes
[11:10] <raincity> QueenVee: there is no country that doesn't influence public oppinion through propaganda.
[11:10] <QueenVee> cmell: lyes, there's a way to make pece and not war: assassinate Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Ashcroft -- and maybe Powell.....
[11:10] <cmell> we should all say we dislike current policies !
[11:10] <obany> Germanic tribes ....
[11:10] <raincity> Assassination causes war.  lol.
[11:11] <QueenVee> raincity: yes, but there are degrees; some people in some parts of the world have a better grasp of reality than others
[11:11] <raincity> No matter what --it leads to war when everyone's minds are made up.
[11:11] <QueenVee> Americans are not one of them
[11:11] <tied2> Queen thats just dumb
[11:11] <cmell> yes rain just look to the first world war
[11:11] <cmell> I want peace
[11:11] <raincity> It all depends where you are living.  Your perspective.
[11:12] <QueenVee> tied2: no, it's a fact that you have a more restricted media than many other countries, who have access to a wider range of opinions and presentations
[11:12] <cmell> don't do name calling QV
[11:12] <QueenVee> tied2: but you wouldn't know that.... because you live in the US.....
[11:12] <QueenVee> i didn't call anyone a name
[11:12] <tied2> not true due to the internet......... most people with a brain get there news on-line
[11:13] <QueenVee> tied2: that's not where the majority of americans get their news
[11:13] <cmell> plz folks be nice
[11:13] <cmell> I whish the best 4 everybody
[11:13] <QueenVee> the majority of americans get their news on CNN, which is clearly a government toady
[11:14] <tied2> so your stereotyping  still not a good thing
[11:14] <cmell> yes I agree with u QV
[11:14] <raincity> QueenVee: your views of US not-withstanding, Canada is supported by the US, and protected by the US so it doesn't have to worry about fielding a military force and can sit back and ponder upon social issues.
[11:14] <tied2> whatever'
[11:14] <QueenVee> tied2: well, i don't believe it's stereotyping, i am speaking from experience and research
[11:14] <QueenVee> raincity: lol
[11:14] <cmell> so what rain. ?
[11:14] <raincity> That is how most US population feels about Canada.  No kidding.
[11:15] <raincity> But, it doesn't make it correct.
[11:15] <tied2> lets not get into country bashing
[11:15] <QueenVee> raincity: well, yes, i know -- like i said, some country's citizens have less a grasp orf reality than others....
[11:15] <cmell> no the rest of the world thinks that too :(
[11:15] <raincity> of course.
[11:15] <raincity> In any case, the war with Iraq is going to proceed.
[11:15] <cmell> canada is not a real country anyway
[11:16] <tied2> lol
[11:16] <cmell> lol
[11:16] <QueenVee> raincity: well, time will tell; i don't think it will
[11:16] <cmell> sorry
[11:16] <cmell> kick me
[11:16] <cmell> I've seen too much southpark
[11:17] <QueenVee> well, if that's where you get your news....
[11:17] <cmell> sorry
[11:17] <QueenVee> you're right up there with the average american
[11:17] <cmell> I'm just kidding
[11:17] <QueenVee> i'm not
[11:17] <tied2> queen  have you ever lived in America for a extended time?
[11:18] <cmell> sorry if I hurt you !
[11:18] <QueenVee> tied2: yes, lived in Seattle for almost a year
[11:18] <tied2> a whole year?
[11:18] <tied2> oh not even a year
[11:18] <raincity> wow, maybe I ran into you.
[11:19] <QueenVee> i've lived in Europe as well
[11:19] <tied2> so that qualifies you to judge most Americans huh?
[11:19] * cmell humbly appologizes to the Queen
[11:20] <QueenVee> tied2: please don't bother with the "if you're not an American you cannot have an opinion about Americans" line of argument -- it's just too sophomoric
[11:21] <tied2> opinion is fine  that don't make it correct
[11:21] <cmell> I think americans a just too stupid anyway, to even ask their opinion !!!
[11:21] <QueenVee> did i say it did?
[11:21] <cmell> just kidding
[11:21] <QueenVee> cmell: not ALL americans -- i've met many who are very well informed
[11:21] <tied2> cmell you do watch to much south park
[11:21] <raincity> Have to go to the shower.
[11:22] <cmell> yes sorry
[11:22] * raincity is now known as raincityAFK
[11:22] <cmell> some are very well informed
[11:22] <QueenVee> cmell: but i agree that the majority of americans are not very well informed about life outside their own borders -- and about their own government....
[11:22] <cmell> and thats sad QV
[11:22] <Jurian> extremely
[11:23] <cmell> but I agree I do tend to kid too much
[11:23] <QueenVee> well, it's sad for the rest of the world, unfortunately....
[11:23] <tied2> cmell ......
[11:23] <cmell> tied2 I hope you can live with it ?
[11:24] <Dsarith> what wait what... America isnt always right...
[11:25] <Dsarith> Bush told me that we were and I believe him!
[11:25] <cmell> nooohhh isn't america right allways ??
[11:26] <tied2> cmell good morals and temperance keeps me from ripping you right now   and if you press me I hope you can live with it
[11:26] <QueenVee> good morals?
[11:26] <QueenVee> lol
[11:26] <cmell> tied2 tell me in private
[11:26] <QueenVee> "thou shalt not rip they neighbour"
[11:27] <cmell> I hope not
[11:27] <cmell> plz tied2, speak in private
[11:27] <Dsarith> For thou will be spited
[11:27] <Jurian> rip thy neighbour like thy rippeth thou brother
[11:27] <Dsarith> smotted and carry a bunch of bad karma around
[11:28] <cmell> rippeth thy tied2 like thy brother rippeth you
[11:28] <tied2> you didn't find it necessary to pvt me and say Americans are dumb now did you?
[11:29] <QueenVee> i don't remember him saying Americans are dumb
[11:29] <QueenVee> that was YOUR interpretation, tied
[11:29] <QueenVee> no one here said that Americans are DUMB -- just not very well informed -- big difference
[11:30] <QueenVee> why is that so offensive to you?
[11:30] <QueenVee> you know it's true
[11:30] <Dsarith> Unfortunately, you are correct QV. Americans in general listen to local broadcasts and think that is news
[11:30] <QueenVee> that has been demonstrated over and over and over again
[11:30] <tied2> <cmell> I think Americans a just too stupid anyway, to even ask their opinion !!!
[11:30] <QueenVee> tied2: whoops, i stand corrected
[11:30] <QueenVee> bad cmell, bad
[11:31] <cmell> then why wont tied2 answer
[11:31] <Dsarith> Say your sorry Cmell
[11:31] <cmell> I did I did
[11:31] <QueenVee> yes, you should apologize for that remark cmell
[11:31] <Dsarith> Then go stand in the corner for 10 minutes
[11:32] <cmell> I will
[11:32] <QueenVee> and write out 100 times: Americans are not Stupid.....
[11:32] * cmell stands in the corner
[11:33] * islander watches this whole discussion and shakes head
[11:33] <QueenVee> sorry islander
[11:33] <QueenVee> why don't you introduce a topic that will raise the tenor of the room?
[11:33] <islander> dealing in actual fact, what is it and where do you get it?
[11:33] <tied2> laters
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[11:33] <Dsarith> Lets talk about pineapples, oh wait that is sterotyping
[11:34] <Dsarith> Come on people that was funny!!!!
[11:34] <islander> lol
[11:34] <QueenVee> i feel caffeine withdrawal coming on.....
[11:34] <Dsarith> But alas their are no pineables in Canada
[11:35] <Dsarith> So maybe not too funny
[11:35] <cmell> [20:30:35] <cmell> you found it insulting ?
[11:35] <cmell> [20:31:33] <cmell> ping tied2
[11:35] <cmell> [20:33:05] <cmell> I am sorry
[11:35] <cmell> [20:34:19] <cmell> hey tied2 I apologize for being  that stupid
[11:35] <Dsarith> Too late
[11:35] <QueenVee> oh, we have pineapples -- we just don'g GROW them
[11:36] <Dsarith> He will be alright, I am sure
[11:36] <QueenVee> Americans tend to over identify with their country and nationality....
[11:36] <QueenVee> and, of course, that's part of the problem...
[11:36] <islander> and canadians don't?
[11:36] <cmell> hehe
[11:36] <Dsarith> I am very patriotic and would fight to the death, but I dont think America is perfect
[11:36] <QueenVee> no, i don't think they do to that degree
[11:37] <islander> oohhh hold on we only paint our faces for hockey games
[11:37] <islander> lol
[11:37] <Dsarith> And shoot, if you are not from Texas your nothing anyways :-)
[11:37] <cmell> hehe
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[11:37] <cmell> hey you are just like bush
[11:37] <cmell> dsarith'
[11:37] <QueenVee> islander: i was talking pride and patriotism and all that -- i meant that they tend to take any criticism of their country verypersonally.... no, i don't think canadians do that to the same degree....
[11:38] <Dsarith> Yes Cmell
[11:38] <QueenVee> correction:  i was NOT talking about price and patriotism and all that....
[11:38] <cmell> sorry
[11:38] <QueenVee> price=pride
[11:38] <Dsarith> No offense taken here and I speak for all Texans
[11:38] <islander> its okay queen, everyone walk away before we dig ourselves any further
[11:39] <islander> new subject
[11:39] <Dsarith> Now just dont insult Texas and you be ok
[11:39] <cmell> hey I have nothing against texans at all dsarith
[11:39] <islander> any notice that Paul Vigay has ceased the cropcircle research site
[11:39] <Dsarith> I know Cmell, nor americans.
[11:40] <QueenVee> Dsarith: i would never do that, you guys have enough to deal with, having that association with Bush an all....
[11:40] <Dsarith> lol
[11:40] <cmell> I'm just kidding too much for my own good :(
[11:40] <Dsarith> Hey...
[11:40] <QueenVee> islander: paul vigay? what site was that?
[11:40] <islander> cropcircleresearch.com
[11:41] <islander> hes been one of the main researchers for many years
[11:41] <Dsarith> Bush is an Elitest... not a real texan. Elitest belong to their own
[11:41] <Dsarith> Why did he discontinue it
[11:41] <cmell> yep dsarith
[11:41] <islander> cited personal reasons
[11:42] <Dsarith> Like the Government said they would shoot him
[11:42] <islander> has anyone noticed how quiet the circle pages have been since the conference in Nov
[11:42] <islander> and no notes on what happened at the conference
[11:42] <Dsarith> I dont follow them, although it interest me greatly
[11:43] <Dsarith> brb
[11:43] <islander> has anybody seen anything on it?
[11:43] <QueenVee> islander: is that an american or british site?
[11:43] <QueenVee> i have about 8 crop circles sites bookmarked, but not that one....
[11:43] <islander> it was hosted by Chet Snow and attended by the who's who in circles
[11:44] <cmell> can anyone tell tied2 that I didn't mean anything by it !! ???
[11:44] <islander> its no longer accessible as of this morning
[11:44] <QueenVee> cmell: don't worry about it....
[11:44] <islander> british site
[11:46] * raincityAFK is now known as raincity
[11:46] <QueenVee> hold on islander, i'm looking for something....
[11:47] * cmell is now known as cmell-MIA
[11:48] <Dsarith> Yes, yes you do cmell today... lol
[11:49] <Dsarith> Italian cmell
[11:49] <cmell-MIA>  wtf
[11:49] <QueenVee> italian?
[11:49] <QueenVee> he's danish
[11:49] <Dsarith> Cmellamia
[11:50] <Dsarith> Italian... Man I hate expaining my jokes
[11:50] <cmell-MIA> haha
[11:50] <Dsarith> lol
[11:50] <cmell-MIA> later
[11:50] <Dsarith> Later cmell
[11:51] <QueenVee> islander: this is really weird, i can't seem to access ANY crop circle sites.....
[11:51] <Dsarith> Since America's Networks are so much superior, I will try :-)
[11:52] <islander> yeah D!!!
[11:53] <RNTHOMAS> islander - Interesting about the crop circles...
[11:54] <QueenVee> islander: just got through to CropCircleConnector..... nothing has been updated there since November 2002....
[11:54] <islander> for something that is so closely linked to things like Zeta is is interesting that when they were supposed to be increasing, they seemed to end
[11:55] <QueenVee> well, it IS the off-season for crop circles
[11:55] <islander> and the last major one was the one Nancy claimed was false
[11:55] <QueenVee> do they get many crop circles in Australia?
[11:56] <QueenVee> islander: ah, check this out: http://www.gpgwebdesign.com.au/latest.bendigo061101.htm
[11:57] <RNTHOMAS> My guess is it looks almost like anything crop circle from the UK is gone?
[11:57] <islander> thanx queen, just going to check all my subscriptions
[11:59] <QueenVee> RN: last crop circles in UK were in September...
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[12:00] * Looking up N user info...
[12:00] <islander> Cropcircleconnector is still there
[12:00] <raincity> oh oh.
[12:00] <islander> ???
[12:01] * QueenVee sets mode: +b *!*pro7@*.dailup.c227129067.isd-holland.nl
[12:01] * N was kicked by QueenVee (N)
[12:01] <raincity> Nol.
[12:01] <raincity> lol.
[12:01] <RNTHOMAS> Well I'm off to lunch.. BRB l8r!
[12:01] <islander> bye RN
[12:01] * RNTHOMAS is now known as RNT-Lunch
[12:01] <QueenVee> yes, the infamous Nol
[12:01] <QueenVee> brb, getting coffee
[12:02] <islander> i'll keep searching
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[12:04] <obany> QueenVee: check sci.astro ... some discussion there ... from poleshiftdiscussion from some weeks ago
[12:04] <obany> and Jurian ... is called a hypocrite
[12:05] <Jurian> hmm?
[12:05] <obany> by Brian Gillbanks
[12:05] <Jurian> haha
[12:05] <raincity> Oh yeah, that guy has his own debunking site now.
[12:05] <Jurian> what's the subject of the message?
[12:06] <obany> re: zeta irc dissent
[12:06] <Jurian> okay, lemme see :)
[12:06] <QueenVee> yes, i've seen it obany
[12:07] <QueenVee> raincity: who's Brian Gillbanks?
[12:07] <raincity> Enterprise2002
[12:07] <raincity> on sci.astro
[12:07] <raincity> I think he's in England.
[12:07] <QueenVee> wow, these people -- spending so much times on things they DON'T BELIEVE IN
[12:07] <QueenVee> i can't get over it
[12:08] <raincity> He says he used to believe.
[12:08] <raincity> Can't remember what changed his mind.
[12:08] <raincity> Maybe he's in here under a different name?
[12:09] <QueenVee> ex-believers like that used to be fanatical believers who have just transferred their fanaticism to something else....
[12:09] <raincity> good point.
[12:10] <QueenVee> raincity: he got the log from Loitus, who was in here under the name "walt" at the time
[12:10] <raincity> Ok, I've seen Walt in Earthchanges.
[12:10] <raincity> Seen Loitus in Troubled_Times.
[12:10] <obany> Yes, he is Brittish , in fact he was being critizied by Nancy and the Zetas, he was talking about a expierence that he had, that something was mentioned to him by aliens, wich was STS according the Zetas
[12:10] <Jurian> haha, so now I'm a hyppocryt
[12:11] <obany> anyway will return a little later
[12:11] <raincity> QueenVee: how did you discover his real identity?
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[12:12] <raincity> This is beginning to seem like you can't trust who you're talking with anymore.
[12:12] <raincity> spy vs. spy and such.
[12:13] <Dsarith> Trust no one
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[12:13] <raincity> Yeah, I got that from the X-Files.
[12:14] <QueenVee> raincity: well, i figured it out; didn't like him being here in the first place, but didn't have an excuse to kick him
[12:14] <QueenVee> from now on i'm following my instincts
[12:14] <raincity> Anyone who needs more than one ISP to follow all this stuff must be a bit obsessed.
[12:14] <Shaman464> Hi all
[12:15] <raincity> If I see him, I'll ask him.
[12:15] <QueenVee> raincity: you're telling me!
[12:15] <QueenVee> raincity: ask who?
[12:15] <raincity> I'll pick his brain --Walt/Loitus.
[12:15] <islander> welcome to what life might be after a shift,  who's who?
[12:16] <QueenVee> well, let's put it in context -- t's not THAT big a deal, more annoying than anything
[12:16] <raincity> Right, although I doubt that any of us will run into each other after the shift.  We're too far apart.
[12:16] <islander> its a choice, like strangers meeting, you choose whether to take it farther
[12:17] <raincity> Reticuli is VERY close to me.  In his case I might run into him.
[12:17] <islander> except it won't be as simple as "i'll call you"
[12:17] <raincity> At the mall or something.
[12:18] <islander> if you plan to keep up this type of link for support you need to plan it
[12:19] <QueenVee> islander: yes, correct. and we'll do more of that closer to the date....
[12:19] <islander> maybe more audio than visual, like post-shift radio chat, regular time on a certain frequeb=ncy
[12:19] <raincity> right...that can be setup in the final weeks.
[12:19] <islander> I';d start planning now, don't put off what you can do today......
[12:19] <QueenVee> islander: please do!
[12:20] <islander> present plan on Friday then
[12:20] <islander> with the survey
[12:20] <raincity> I won't invest in radio equipment until there is confirmation.
[12:21] * cmell-MIA is now known as cmell
[12:21] <raincity> Which should be some weeks before the shift...
[12:21] <islander> even without confirm it's a practical solution for any disaster
[12:22] <raincity> Well, HAM equipment is long-range and requires liscence to operate right now.
[12:22] <raincity> But, don't forget it needs power.
[12:22] <raincity> That's why it was not included in my original preperation list.
[12:22] <islander> some regs have been reduced here, like you don't have to know morse anymore
[12:22] <Shaman464> looks like theres no way round war
[12:23] <raincity> right, there is "no code" liscence.
[12:23] <islander> basic liscence to get practice?
[12:23] <cmell> well radios that only have listen capability don't require a liscense
[12:23] <islander> yes
[12:23] * Terminal was kicked by QueenVee (no idling)
[12:23] <islander> and humvee promised a music station didn't he?
[12:24] <raincity> CB can be boosted to longrange with linear amplifiers.
[12:24] <raincity> But, again, it requires good power.
[12:24] <islander> 100 or 200 watt
[12:24] <islander> still 12v tech
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[12:24] <humvee> good morning
[12:24] <islander> we were just discussing you
[12:25] <islander> hi
[12:25] <cmell> I think I will get one of those crank up radios, that can get multiple signals
[12:25] <humvee> oh what did I do now - my dry sense of humor no doubt
[12:25] <islander> we were talking about your future radio station for post shift
[12:26] <cmell> yes
[12:26] <cmell> I figured as much
[12:26] <humvee> Radio Free
[12:26] <humvee> drowned Rats
[12:27] <cmell> humvee where are u situated ?
[12:27] <humvee> cmel  we r fleeing hawaii going to Minnesota
[12:27] <humvee> Lots of our family is staying here thou
[12:28] <cmell> oh ok, no chance of me listening to your hit radiostation :(
[12:28] <humvee> some tt ppl and on various islands
[12:28] <islander> shortwave can bounce half a world
[12:28] <cmell> since I'm situated in northern europe
[12:29] <humvee> I think lots of low power stations which relay news along
[12:29] <islander> yes...repeaters
[12:29] <cmell> how can ppl relay signals guys ??
[12:29] <humvee> In not too long there will be relays of info
[12:29] <islander> dual radio, pickup and rebroadcast
[12:29] <humvee> it was 100 years ago that ppl started talking across the atlantic
[12:30] <humvee> I give it a year
[12:30] <cmell> yes :)
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[12:30] <humvee> no undersea cables will make it
[12:30] <islander> we just need to lay down a plan on where to listen etc
[12:30] <cmell> what do I have to buy to have a working relay station
[12:31] <Shaman464> no not the on uder the atlantic humvee
[12:31] <Shaman464> under*
[12:31] <humvee> always start with 2182 int distress freq
[12:31] <islander> I'd have to check, but every local ham op is a resource here
[12:31] <humvee> then move up to another agreed freq
[12:31] <Shaman464> the atlantic will expand, but the wires wont
[12:31] <cmell> what is the emergency channel
[12:31] <humvee> less stations = easier 2 find on air / listening
[12:32] <islander> does that mean pacific calls get cheaper?
[12:32] <cmell> heh
[12:32] <humvee> 2182 khz as i remember
[12:32] <Shaman464> lol, yea if you have a phone
[12:32] <cmell> that is channel 16 ?
[12:32] <humvee> i am bringing the ARRL handbook - all should get that book who will b interested
[12:33] <humvee> used copys r cheap
[12:33] <cmell> I think the emergency channel is channel 16 ?
[12:33] <humvee> chanel 16 is prob ref 2 cb chanel 11 meters
[12:34] <cmell> I don't know 4 sure though :(
[12:34] <Shaman464> 3 months and ten days
[12:34] <humvee> ham radio will b a good hobby in a new world
[12:34] <cmell> yes
[12:35] <cmell> I will have to study ham
[12:35] <cmell> give me time give me time :)
[12:35] <islander> it will be you're only link to outside world, but is also used to determine position, latitude etc
[12:36] <humvee> read the amature radio relay leage they have lots of publications which r @ librays
[12:36] <cmell> I will use my compass to determine time of shift
[12:36] <islander> with a group around the world we could build a picure of the extent of what happens
[12:36] <islander> picture
[12:36] <islander> eg where are the continents now?
[12:36] <cmell> I understood what u said the first time islander
[12:36] <QueenVee> mmmm, weird -- ESMC site  reported a 5.8 quake in southern italy yesterday -- but there's zilch in the news today....
[12:37] <cmell> strange QV
[12:37] <humvee> i sneak looks @ the Michael Scallion map on my wall (dont tell qv)
[12:37] <cmell> I wont :)
[12:37] <islander> neither will I
[12:37] <cmell> qv don't look
[12:38] <humvee> future map cost me $30 us but was worth it
[12:38] <cmell> oops
[12:38] <QueenVee> okay, that's even more strange: the italian quake isn't listed on EMSC anymore....
[12:38] <humvee> shows world as sort of large islands pretty much as zetas have said
[12:39] <cmell> I don't like what you tell QV
[12:39] <humvee> maybe they took it back - dif time line now
[12:39] <QueenVee> cmell: well, i think it was probably an error to begin with....
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[12:40] <cmell> hhmmm
[12:40] <QueenVee> because none of the other quake sites reported it....
[12:40] <super0> just heard about this
[12:40] <QueenVee> about what?
[12:40] <super0> is it really gonna happen?
[12:40] <super0> the shift
[12:40] <super0> man, there was me preparing for 2012
[12:40] <QueenVee> super: please note:
[12:40] <cmell> I hope not super0
[12:40] <QueenVee>  'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[12:40] <super0> and now they throw this on me!
[12:41] <QueenVee> super: obviously, people in this channel believe there is a strong probability it WILL happen
[12:41] <super0> yeah i read the site man- looks amazing
[12:41] <super0> what will happen? and what do we need to do?
[12:41] <humvee> super0 please read material on www.zetatalk.com and come back here later
[12:41] <QueenVee> super: we're not here to convince anyone else.... you have to research the subject and review the evidence and decide for yourself
[12:41] <cmell> so what do you think supero
[12:41] <super0> oh, it looks possible
[12:41] <QueenVee> super: while you're deciding, you should go to #earthchanges for general poleshift chat
[12:42] <super0> everything is possible- and the way the global gameboard is now this seems to fit in
[12:42] <humvee> read: www.zetatalk.com/
[12:42] <super0> well what is this if it is not a place to talk about this thing?
[12:42] <QueenVee> they can asnwer alll your questions in the #earthchanges channel
[12:42] <super0> it said that on the site
[12:42] <cmell> I'm 70/40 % what are u ?
[12:42] <QueenVee> i'll give it to you again, super:
[12:42] <QueenVee>  'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[12:42] <humvee> this site is only thoes planning - ty
[12:42] <super0> ok i am seriously preparing by being here with those preparing also
[12:42] <cmell> oh my math is wrong
[12:43] <cmell> 70/30 %
[12:43] <QueenVee> super: nice try; go and chat to the guys in #earthchanges, they can answer all your questions
[12:43] <QueenVee> bye bye
[12:43] <super0> i'm 70/40 too
[12:43] * super0 was kicked by QueenVee (i said bye bye)
[12:43] <humvee> 110% very good lol
[12:44] <cmell> yes I'm getting old :(
[12:44] <QueenVee> 100% just ain't what it used to be....
[12:44] <cmell> sorry old me :(
[12:44] <humvee> cmel i cant decide weather my tax reporting status in RETIRED or RETARDED
[12:45] <cmell> haha
[12:45] <humvee> maybe both lol
[12:45] <cmell> perhaps humvee :)
[12:45] <humvee> last time i talked with usa govt they reclassified me INDIGENT
[12:45] <QueenVee> perhaps you should think about RETIRING from being RETARDED....
[12:46] <cmell> I'm feeling like both at times HV
[12:46] <humvee> ty qv ill work on that
[12:46] <QueenVee> hehe
[12:47] <QueenVee> hello charles57, didn't see you come in
[12:47] <humvee> ps our family branches are now planning for them selves on various HI ISLANDS - WHAT A SURPRISE
[12:47] <cmell> maybe QV will help me make me RT now on request from HT
[12:47] <cmell> hehe
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[12:48] <QueenVee> well, scared HIM off
[12:48] <islander> ok successful subject change....catch you later
[12:48] <cmell> haha
[12:48] <QueenVee> bye islander
[12:48] * islander thinks they're calmer now
[12:48] <cmell> cyl
[12:48] <Shaman464> bye
[12:48] * islander is now known as isl-b-watchin
[12:48] <cmell> CYL
[12:50] <cmell> does anyone know when tied2 reemerges ?
[12:50] <raincity> He just left...
[12:50] <cmell> I have something to talk with him about
[12:50] <QueenVee> cmell: i'd leave it alone if i were you
[12:51] <cmell> ok QV
[12:52] <cmell> has anyone listened to the radioshow with NL yesterday ?
[12:53] <cmell> has anyone recorded it ?
[12:53] <raincity> no one has recorded it, to my knowledge.
[12:53] <Jurian> cunningham should've recorded it
[12:53] <Jurian> I think he said, on the list, anyway
[12:53] <cmell> ok, nice
[12:53] <Jurian> might have misread tho
[12:53] <raincity> Did he say where he would post it?
[12:53] <Jurian> hardly ever read the lists anymore
[12:53] <Dsarith> What humvee?
[12:53] <Jurian> lemme see if I can find anything
[12:54] <Jurian> This wasn't a TV show but a radio show appearance. I have the full
[12:54] <Jurian> transcript and
[12:54] <Jurian> will convert it to either a wav or mp3 file for posting. I won't offer an
[12:54] <Jurian> analysis about
[12:54] <Jurian> it and it will remain unbiased.
[12:54] <Jurian> Michael
[12:54] <cmell> I'd like to listen to the show
[12:54] <Jurian> nothing more yet
[12:55] <humvee> yes mcunningham said he would put it up but has 2 go in 4 surgery so might do it in a day or to - read check with Obany later on
[12:55] <cmell> ok
[12:55] <QueenVee> surgery, huh? hope they're going in the remove that pickle up his butt....
[12:55] <cmell> hahahaha
[12:56] <humvee> there was no streaming audio on those 2 stations - sadly
[12:56] <cmell> or the filter in his good eye
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[12:56] <humvee> i just had a surgery so am being restrained re jokes
[12:56] <cmell> just lay low humvee
[12:57] <humvee> still LOL
[12:57] <humvee> prarticing for my new living under ground life
[12:57] <QueenVee> yes, no laughing aloud
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[12:58] <cmell> I allways thought he was like Nelson putting the binocular to the blind eye ??
[12:58] <humvee> it will b Hobit Heaven - LO
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[13:01] <cmell> hello reticuli
[13:01] <reticuli> hi
[13:02] <Dsarith> Hi Ret
[13:02] <QueenVee> hi ret
[13:02] <reticuli> hi everyone
[13:03] <raincity> hey
[13:03] * cmell thinks reticuli is bringing stars closer to home
[13:03] <reticuli> ?
[13:04] <cmell> and that is good
[13:04] * cmell works in mysterious ways
[13:05] <reticuli> indeed
[13:05] <cmell> hehe
[13:06] <cmell> sorry
[13:07] <Hillel> bye
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[13:08] <reticuli> r u sniffing gas again cmell?
[13:08] <reticuli> ;)
[13:08] <QueenVee> that Hillel guy was grilling me privately earlier, asking if i knew nancy personally....
[13:08] <cmell> why yes
[13:08] <cmell> :)
[13:08] <QueenVee> i just kept saying, well, why do you ask, and he wouldn't tell me....
[13:09] <cmell> heh
[13:09] <reticuli> did you tell him that you and nancy go way back... all the way to the pleiades
[13:09] <cmell> thats strange QV
[13:09] <QueenVee> hehe
[13:09] <QueenVee> i should have said "yes, we're lovers...."
[13:09] <reticuli> lol
[13:09] <cmell> lol
[13:09] <reticuli> zeta respians
[13:10] <reticuli> did you guys ever find the 'mole'?
[13:10] <QueenVee> yeah, "walt" turned out to be"loitus"
[13:10] <cmell> I myself is half zetan' n' half pleadian :)
[13:10] <cmell> I think
[13:10] <cmell> haha
[13:10] <reticuli> ah loitus, saphhy's little bitch
[13:11] <QueenVee> lol, well put
[13:11] <raincity> Yeah, Hillel is in the earthchanges...calling ZT total lie.
[13:11] <raincity> lol.
[13:11] <cmell> nice said reti
[13:11] <cmell> just kidding myself
[13:12] <QueenVee> loitus is his gollum, and sapphire is his presssssssssssiousssssss
[13:12] <reticuli> lol
[13:12] <cmell> hahaha
[13:12] <raincity> lol
[13:12] <cmell> lmao
[13:12] <Dsarith> lmao
[13:12] <Dsarith> Now that is funny
[13:13] <QueenVee> i have my moments
[13:13] <cmell> haha
[13:13] <cmell> well said QV
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[13:13] <QueenVee> raincity: can you copy and paste to me what Hillel is saying?
[13:14] <cmell> hey lomovsky
[13:14] <QueenVee> hello lomovsky -- what brings you to this room?
[13:14] <raincity> just join #earthchanges.
[13:14] <lomovsky> Hi
[13:14] <cmell> where are you from lomov ?
[13:15] <QueenVee> raincity: he won't say anything if i'm in there
[13:15] <lomovsky> I just want to read more into this matter. i've read the previous recent chat logs.
[13:15] <lomovsky> I'm from Singapore
[13:15] <QueenVee> raincity: because he thinks he has me "fooled"
[13:15] <cmell> ok what do you think ?
[13:15] <lomovsky> I'm open to all possibilities...though I got this feeling that
[13:15] <raincity> [13:09] <Hillel> what is sad that someone makes a lot of money out of this lie
[13:15] <lomovsky> ..that 'a pole shift' is going to happen anyway
[13:16] <lomovsky> just a matter to 'time'(when)... :)
[13:16] <lomovsky> i mean 'of time'..
[13:16] <cmell> yes I know what you feel, because I have that feeling as well
[13:16] <QueenVee> lomovsky: well, the best place to start is www.zetatalk.com and www.shift.com..... this is a chatroom for people who are familiar with zetatalk and seriously preparing for the poleshift....
[13:17] <QueenVee> how long have you been aware of zetatalk and the poleshift, lomovsky?
[13:17] <lomovsky> well,i'm currently unemployed now...so is it okay if i just be in here?
[13:18] <QueenVee> lomovsky: i think you would be better of in #earthchanges, were they discuss the subject more generally
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[13:18] <lomovsky> well..i know about this since 2001...but only been reading more into it...since the beginning of this year
[13:18] <cmell> I think lomovsky only needs to get guided to the right sources
[13:18] <QueenVee> hello Masisoar -- what brings you to this room?
[13:18] <lomovsky> i'm 22/male
[13:18] <QueenVee> cmell: well, feel free to give him that guidance in the #earthchanges channel; as you know, there is no idling here
[13:18] <cmell> yes lomov
[13:19] <QueenVee> raincity: lol
[13:19] <Masisoar> Just checking out around here =) Finally got this to work.
[13:19] <cmell> lomovsky go to #earthchanges
[13:19] <lomovsky> I'm already there...
[13:19] <QueenVee> Masisoar: how long have you been aware of zetatalk and the coming poleshift?
[13:20] * lomovsky was kicked by QueenVee (lomovsky)
[13:20] <Masisoar> So the coordinates at the Zeta Talk website should be to exact as they predicted? checking it out at local observatory. I've just recent;y been aware..as of the beginning of January
[13:20] <QueenVee> where are you located?
[13:21] <Masisoar> Northern New York, near ogdensburg
[13:22] <QueenVee> and how are you preparing for the poleshift?
[13:22] <Masisoar> Being..im 15 I cant really do much but my plans are to go to colorado, get some old wonderful great friends and go into the forests of Wyoming
[13:23] <Masisoar> maybe bear off the changes in a cave or ..by a self made shelter and afterward look for a service to other community if permitable
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[13:24] <Masisoar> They are barely aware of it though, I'm trying to obtain seeds possiblly and some other necessities to give us some support
[13:24] <QueenVee> hello nmi -- what brings you to this room?
[13:25] <nmi> hi
[13:25] <Dsarith> Debunkers are out heavy today... looks like
[13:25] <QueenVee> sounds pretty vague, Masisoar....
[13:25] <nmi> it was the shift2003 site
[13:25] <QueenVee> Dsarith: in TT and earthchanges?
[13:26] <Masisoar> if you want details, I can try to provide some its not really much of a plan...
[13:26] <Dsarith> Yep
[13:26] <QueenVee> nmi: how long have you been aware of zetatalk and the coming poleshift?
[13:26] <Dsarith> Earthchanges TT has been quiet all day
[13:27] <QueenVee> Masisoar: why not try and help the rest of your family survive?
[13:27] <nmi> since october
[13:27] <reticuli> he's hoping to cash in on the life insurance
[13:27] <reticuli> ;)
[13:27] <Masisoar> lol ;)
[13:27] <nmi> I think
[13:27] <cmell> red october :9
[13:28] <cmell> :)
[13:28] <QueenVee> nmi: so where abouts are you located, and what are you doing to prepare for the poleshift?
[13:29] <cmell> I guess my political officer is ok with that
[13:29] <QueenVee> Masisoar: why not try and help the rest of your family survive?
[13:30] <nmi> I'm from Hungary
[13:30] <Masisoar> I've been going back and forth =) not really sure, cant..decide between family or friends, both mean a lot
[13:30] <cmell> my family doesn't believe in ps :(
[13:30] <Masisoar> same here :-\
[13:30] <nmi> and I dont do anything
[13:31] <cmell> and myh friends neither
[13:31] * Looking up nmi user info...
[13:31] <QueenVee> well, please note:
[13:31] <QueenVee>  'Chat room restricted to those familiar with & seriously preparing for the May2003 Poleshift & AfterTime as predicted by ZetaTalk. All others go to www.zetatalk.com for basic info or the #earthchanges channel for more general poleshift discussion.'
[13:31] <nmi> are you really building? bunkers and things like that?
[13:32] <raincity> aren't you with Hilell?
[13:32] <QueenVee> no, not bunkers; they will collapse during the poleshift
[13:32] <cmell> QV I think thats 4 u !
[13:32] <nmi> ok
[13:32] <QueenVee> nmi: please go to the #earthchanges channel
[13:33] * Looking up nmi user info...
[13:33] <nmi> I'm trying to take it seriously but its hard to believe
[13:33] <Dsarith> Send him here with the rest of them.
[13:33] <raincity> Hilell is from Hungary...
[13:33] <QueenVee> then don't. we don't really care.
[13:33] <cmell> I'm currently concerned with getting clean water
[13:33] <Dsarith> There is about 3 in here now
[13:33] <Dsarith> lol
[13:34] <QueenVee> bye nmi. come back when you're ready to seriously prepare. in the meantime you can chat all you like about how you find it hard to believe in the #earthchanges channel; they like that sort of thing there....
[13:34] * QueenVee waves
[13:34] <nmi> ok
[13:34] <nmi> bye
[13:34] <cmell> later
[13:34] <Masisoar> I am seriously trying to prepare for this, I'm shooting for more credible evidence right now, if i do see something I will try to show my parents the evidence and have them believe, it wont be easy convincing...and my friends would believe me though, I'm just trying to designate an area in wyoming
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[13:34] <QueenVee> Masisoar: i think that the #earthchanges channel is where you should go as well
[13:35] <Masisoar> Alright =) Thanks
[13:35] * Looking up Masisoar user info...
[13:35] * QueenVee waves
[13:35] <Masisoar> What will they help me address there? or what should I address?
[13:35] <QueenVee> they will help you there
[13:35] <Masisoar> alright =) Thanks Queen
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[13:36] <QueenVee> are they all gone now?
[13:36] <cmell> QV you are very harsh :)
[13:36] <QueenVee> anymore skeptical hungarians?
[13:36] <QueenVee> cmell: yes, i am
[13:36] <cmell> but thats ok
[13:37] <humvee> or hungry skepticians - lol
[13:37] <cmell> hehe
[13:37] <QueenVee> cmell: they can still discuss the subject in #earthchanges, why do they have to be here?
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[13:37] <Masisoar> I'm sorry, which channel did you advise me to go to?
[13:37] <cmell> I guess you're right QV
[13:37] <QueenVee> #earthchanges
[13:37] <Masisoar> oh alright ;)
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[13:38] <raincity> hehe
[13:38] <rnthomas> Howdy...
[13:38] <cmell> hey
[13:38] <QueenVee> howdy rn
[13:38] <cmell> so was your lunch good ??
[13:39] <rnthomas> Yup... I was also listenin to my honey on the radio doin an interview...
[13:39] <cmell> oh your honey was on the radio ?
[13:39] <rnthomas> Massive cutbacks in the school district...
[13:40] <cmell> hhmmm
[13:40] <rnthomas> We are doin so bad that only 40-50% of students actually graduate.
[13:40] <cmell> damn ;(
[13:40] <QueenVee> not good
[13:40] <rnthomas> She is PAC president for one of the schools facing closure.
[13:40] <cmell> not good
[13:41] <rnthomas> It's scary actually...
[13:41] <rnthomas> Have you ever talked to a newly graduated kid about math...
[13:41] <rnthomas> You'll be lucky if they can do fractions, and factoring quadratic equations is totally otta the question...
[13:42] <QueenVee> no, but i've seen the literacy level of the average graduate...
[13:42] <rnthomas> They are graduating lower then I was at my Grade 8 level...
[13:42] <cmell> I was concerned about danish schools, but you make me concerned about schools everywhere
[13:42] <rnthomas> We did quatratic equations on grade 9-10 back in the 80's...
[13:43] <rnthomas> Now, they don't even get there!
[13:43] <rnthomas> It's scary!
[13:43] <cmell> thats not good
[13:43] <rnthomas> I actually had a talk with one of my ex-math teachers, and asked him about it...
[13:43] <cmell> and what ?
[13:43] <rnthomas> He just chuckled and agreed..  
[13:44] <rnthomas> The POPULATION IS BEING DUMMIED UP...
[13:44] <cmell> I agree, it's happening here too
[13:45] <isl-b-watchin> employees that can't do fraction don't argue about their paycheck
[13:45] <cmell> yes :(
[13:45] <rnthomas> It's freaky..  The kids graduating now are at my generations grade 7-8 level of education..
[13:45] <cmell> what do you thinnk QV ?
[13:45] <cmell> -n
[13:46] <QueenVee> cmell: well, i was appalled with the state of public education back when i was in school, so....
[13:46] <cmell> things haven't improved since then huh ?
[13:46] <QueenVee> nope
[13:47] <cmell> they haven't improved here either QV :(
[13:47] <rnthomas> Oh well, how can you comprehend what's up in the sky, the coowel pretty red light, when you are so dumbed up that you don't even care to look up at the sky.
[13:48] <rnthomas> How can you comprehend Sitchin and others if you can understand the vocabulary used in the books..
[13:48] <cmell> look a star .... it moves .. nice
[13:48] <cmell> it's sad rnt
[13:48] <QueenVee> rn: how can you make intelligent judgements if you don't know how to THINK....
[13:49] <rnthomas> That's it in a nutshell...
[13:49] <rnthomas> So go pay your income tax's.
[13:49] <QueenVee> the powers that be don't want a populace that things
[13:49] <QueenVee> thinks
[13:49] <cmell> with a smile ??
[13:50] <reticuli> lol, yeah, hillel is an idiot
[13:50] * isl-b-watchin is now known as islander
[13:50] <QueenVee> having fun with him, ret?
[13:50] <cmell> hehe
[13:50] <reticuli> im done now
[13:50] <reticuli> not fun enough
[13:50] <QueenVee> is he crying?
[13:50] <reticuli> no, he strugles merely to make sense
[13:51] <rnthomas> How can you read the books that NWO doesn't want you to read, if you can no longer comprehend them.
[13:51] <QueenVee> ret: so what MOTIVATES someone like him?
[13:51] <islander> anybody ever check to see how many words get dropped from dictionaries
[13:52] <islander> to make room for the words bush creates
[13:52] <islander> sorry that will be my only bush comment
[13:52] <islander> lol
[13:52] <rnthomas> Sounded like the makings of a good joke! Isl.
[13:52] <cmell> I cut bushes
[13:52] <raincity> Hillel's likely trying to "save us" from Nancy.
[13:52] <reticuli> who knows, I think he took an honest look at it and decided it was bunk... unfortunately he cant come up with valid reasons. Perhaps it is social isolation and the failings of the school system that accounts for ppl such as that. either way its boring
[13:53] <islander> can he saver her from us?
[13:53] <rnthomas> Hillel - who's that?
[13:53] <raincity> He can't save us, we're already lost.
[13:53] <raincity> lol.
[13:53] * cmell takes the chainsaw and cuts the bush down to the roots
[13:53] <reticuli> just some person who is just dumb enough to not know that he is stupid
[13:54] <cmell> haha
[13:54] <QueenVee> yeah, i'd like to turn bush into a topiary
[13:54] <islander> hes assuming we weren't lost from the start
[13:54] <raincity> [13:53] <Hillel> what a pity that my english is not too good for good arguing
[13:54] <raincity> hehe
[13:54] <reticuli> lol
[13:54] <cmell> heh
[13:54] * islander thinks...oh oh, big MISTAKE, i brought up bush
[13:54] <cmell> oh no
[13:55] <reticuli> I wasnt even trying to argue with him, I just asked him a couple of questions
[13:55] * islander says there they go again
[13:55] <raincity> Yeah, but he came in here to argue.
[13:55] <reticuli> I think his english was good enough to answer the questions
[13:55] <raincity> ...from the start.
[13:55] <reticuli> raincity, yeah thats true
[13:55] <QueenVee> islander: well, you should know better; bush inspires only two things, joking and being appalled
[13:55] <cmell> thats true QV
[13:55] <cmell> :(
[13:56] <islander> and getting you stirred.....
[13:56] <islander> up
[13:56] <cmell> me too islander
[13:56] <islander> !up
[13:56] <cmell> I hate the guy
[13:57] <reticuli> he only inspired pity in me
[13:57] <QueenVee> is he dead?
[13:57] <cmell> I hope
[13:57] * ChanServ sets mode: +o islander
[13:57] <reticuli> I couldnt continue with him anymore, it was painful to my sense of human diginity
[13:57] <cmell> damn
[13:58] <QueenVee> well, i've procrastinated long enough. time to go out into the cold, cruel world with my hound....
[13:58] <QueenVee> later gators...
[13:58] * QueenVee is now known as Queen-away
[13:58] <islander> cu
[13:58] <raincity> yeah, that cold...I think the global warming needs to speed up.
[13:58] <cmell> yes give my warm hellos to the hound
[13:58] <islander> .
[13:59] <raincity> It is a bit chilly here as well.
[13:59] <reticuli> it is raincity
[13:59] <reticuli> the wind is biting
[13:59] <raincity> I want it to go back to how it was in August-Sep.
[13:59] <reticuli> cold
[14:00] <cmell> what was that like rainc =
[14:00] <cmell> ?
[14:00] <raincity> 70-80 degrees and no clouds.
[14:00] <cmell> damn ?
[14:00] <Dsarith> But that is rare there.. usually raining
[14:01] <Dsarith> Hence raincity
[14:01] <cmell> heh
[14:01] <raincity> yes, but it was awesome.
[14:01] <cmell> dsarith
[14:01] <reticuli> its not like that here anymore
[14:01] <islander> her rain, how clear is your sky over there?
[14:01] <reticuli> its clear
[14:01] <islander> her=hey
[14:01] <raincity> right.
[14:02] <islander> ? rain..
[14:02] <reticuli> it used to rain for months on end here, not anymore
[14:02] * cmell is now known as cmell-brb
[14:02] <raincity> yes, the drought is still here.
[14:02] <raincity> The grass outside has been brown for quite awhile.
[14:02] <islander> any trails today rainc?
[14:02] <raincity> trails?