Session Start: Sat Nov 30 12:24:37 2002
Session Ident: #poleshiftdiscussion
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[12:24] * Topic is 'Saturday Nov.30: ZetaTalk Session w/ Nancy Lieder begins 2:30pm CST, 3:30pm EST, 20:30 UTC. Questions must be submitted 1hr before during Pre-ZetaTalk Chat, which begins 1:30pm CST, 2:30pm EST, 19:30 UTC.'
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[12:24] -ChanServ- (#poleshiftdiscussion) Welcome to the SHIFT2003 CHAT ROOM. Moderator: QueenVee59@hotmail.com.
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[12:24] <Ukrainian> Thanks Obany
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[12:25] <cmel> hi Ukranian
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[12:25] <Mike-O> And of course, missiles fired at the Israeli jet. Israel took credit for deflecting them (gag me). I bet it was a little divine intervention, perhaps from the Council of Worlds.
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[12:25] <cmel> or should I say Ukranian formely known as Guest
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[12:25] <Starstalker> Hello, Nancy.  Great Art Bell show!
[12:25] <Tizza> so you can :)
[12:25] <Bailey> Hi Nancy
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[12:25] <Tizza> hey nancy :)
[12:26] <cmel> hi Nancy
[12:26] <Shaman464> hi nancy
[12:26] <Tizza> art bell was good
[12:26] <Ukrainian> Hi Nancy
[12:26] <TavliGal> hi nancy, my first time on irc with you all
[12:26] <obany> Yes, Art Bell was good
[12:26] <Ummite> hello nancy
[12:26] <JFull> Hi Nancy, Great Art Bell
[12:26] <me> ditto!
[12:26] <Tizza> first time ive listened...was worth it :0
[12:26] <cmel> it was fine the art bell show, nice interview
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[12:27] <LadyInRed> hi Nancy!
[12:27] <Shaman464> made george alot less critical of the shift
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[12:27] <LadyInRed> i missed it :(
[12:27] <Tizza> hey still had a lot of reserve in his voice tho
[12:28] <monk> well mostly everything nancy said I knew already
[12:28] <Ukrainian> Nancy can i ask question ?
[12:28] <QueenVee> Welcome SuperBird (also known as Sapphire and W6S)
[12:28] <franci66> Is there any way to listen to Nancy's Artbell interview?
[12:28] <monk> but it got alot more people knowing about the zetas and the poleshift
[12:28] <JFull> George is a great interviewer
[12:28] <QueenVee> Ukranian: You cannot ask a question now
[12:28] <LadyInRed> yeah for a price i think lol
[12:28] <Ukrainian> Ok..ok
[12:28] <NancyL> ANNOUNCEMENT: New link on the ZetaTalk home page just under the Zeta Face re Forgery.
[12:28] <NancyL> There are three types referenced, with detail.
[12:28] <NancyL> 1. Recent Usenet forgery of zetatalk@zetatalk.com and Nancy Lieder, and obvious forgery but illegal none the less, and how to identify them (I did complain to the abuse@voyager.net)
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[12:28] <NancyL> 2. Recently became aware that www.scepticalmind.com has purchased zetatalk.ORG and zetatalk.NET, ilegal as zetatalk is TradeMark protected.
[12:28] <NancyL> 3. An older page re virus spoofing, which makes it seem that email is COMING from the very popular zetatalk@zetatalk.com address.
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[12:29] <NancyL> ANNOUNCEMENT: Planet X now has a visible TAIL, in the images and pixel analysis
[12:29] <NancyL> ANNOUNCEMENT: Just got the Safe Locations PDF and web links updated with the promised new locations writeups, sorry to be late.
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[12:29] <obany> NancyL: i noticed that posting, it was a bout a kool aid party, realy realy stupid posting
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[12:30] <NancyL> Obany, obvious forgery as anyone knows I would not write that, but illegal nonetheless.
[12:30] <QueenVee> ANNOUNCEMENT: Nancy has a set of pre-submitted questions that she will be answering. Moderation mode will be on while nancy is speaking (i.e. no one else may speak), but follow-up questions, comments will be allowed.
[12:30] <NancyL> Thanks for the compliments about George Noory interview, and as this Q is on the list Queen forwarded to me, I will answer that first.  Seems on everyone's mind.
[12:31] <NancyL> Ready to start as I think we are on the hour here ... right?
[12:31] <obany> Yes, it was obvious from the headers in the posting, but i agree it's a forgery
[12:31] <obany> right
[12:31] <Zetapal> .   ~~*     .o   O
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[12:31] <QueenVee> Right, Nancy. Ready to start.
[12:31] <NancyL> COAST TO COAST
[12:31] <NancyL> 1. Could the zetas comment on their recent appearance on Coast to Coast in terms of the pace of the Awakening and Transformation -- do they view the interview as a success, did the message reach a lot of people?
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[12:32] <NancyL> ZT: The Coast to Coast radio show, reaching on their estimate some 12 million listeners, has long been viewed as a way to spread disinformation AND information by the establishment.
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[12:33] <NancyL> ZT: During the Hale-Bopp episode, Art Bell could be counted upon to echo the establishment/NASA line, which he did, being none the wiser as to his role in spreading disinformation.
[12:34] <NancyL> ZT: Likewise, he regularly had on Ed Dames, a former CIA agent, and Hazelwood, the son of a close frient of Art's, also none the wiser that disinformation was or is being spread.
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[12:35] <NancyL> ZT: To Art, or George for that matter, who are not personally privy to information sources nor themselves contactees, one wild line is the same as another, and the issue is keeping the audience rapt and coming back for more.
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[12:35] <NancyL> ZT: But Art began to notice the relationship to earth changes and prophecy, which was evident to the regular listener who caught him repeatedly brining the subject up.
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[12:36] <NancyL> ZT: Still, since quakes and weather and even Global Warming or periodic climate changes are cited by the establishement as within normal swings, he did not buy into the Planet X and 2003 pole shift theory at all.
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[12:37] <NancyL> ZT: George on the other hand is a more logical individual, as Nancy noted during her interview.
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[12:37] <NancyL> ZT: He laid the information out for the audience, in a logical progression, as this is how his mind works!
[12:38] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, for himself personally and for the audience, they were arriving at the logical conclusions.
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[12:38] <NancyL> ZT: Both Art and George do NOT entirely chose their subject matter, nor their hosts.
[12:39] <NancyL> ZT: It should be no surprise for those working in large corporations, or major media, or working within clubs or associations, strings can and are pulled, though this is denied.
[12:40] <NancyL> ZT: In a large corporation, a CEO may pronounce a decision as his alone, when in fact the phone wires were burning with activity just prior to the announcement.
[12:41] <NancyL> ZT: In the major media, top executive and even major stockholders hold the calling card, can squelch a planned documentary or SUGGEST subject matter.
[12:41] <NancyL> ZT: All the while, the host is claiming these are matters solely in their hands.
[12:41] <NancyL> ZT: And likewise, something as simple as pillow talk, or a golfing buddy making a tangental request, can result in a change in agenda.
[12:42] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, both Art and George were asked to address the Planet X issue, and George was asked to revisit this repeatedly as it is a hot internet item.
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[12:43] <NancyL> ZT: By this closing remarks, George indicated he felt he would be having Nancy back in May 2003, to explain a failure, but this will soon change to a frequenty, perhaps even weekly, schedule.
[12:43] <NancyL> End ZT Followup?
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[12:43] <QueenVee> Follow up questions can be asked now
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[12:43] <Starstalker> .....link to download ArtBell interview is http://mikeyj.scribbleminded.com/ArtBell11-26-2002.mp3
[12:43] <QueenVee> so, do the zetas see the interview as a success, nancy?
[12:44] <fetus> so as signs become overwhelming...the zeta message will become stronger in the major media?
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[12:44] <QueenVee> is it reaching the right people?
[12:44] <Shaman464> to support taht Nancy George has said many times that he has no intrest in PX the pole shift and wouldnt want to talk to anyone on that subject
[12:44] <Mike-O> Why is the Art Bell show allowed to go to a true source, such as ZetaTalk, instead of a hack like Hazelwood? Is this an attempt by the establishment to get the true message out there, or is something else up their sleeve?
[12:44] <Eccles_P> Nancy: did I hear correctly on the radio show that there can be 1,000 to 1 million reincarnations for a soul?
[12:45] <Starstalker> Did George ask for you to return to the show soon, Nancy?
[12:45] <NancyL> ZT to Queen: In that diversions into talk about aliens and bald heads were not done, and in that the discussion stayed on topic and was not scuttled with artificial phone connection problems (designed to diminish Nancy's prior interview in comparison to Hazelwoods), yes.
[12:46] <obany> Is media attention to zetatalk  also expected in other countries?
[12:46] <NancyL> ZT: Little time was spend on the ZetaTalk accuracy track record, so Nancy has spend a lot of time on email pointing this out to the skeptical.
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[12:47] <NancyL> ZT: In future, we would like to see THIS issue given George's considerable logical analysis, as it is certainly due us, and ZetaTalk, and most importantly Nancy who has sacrificed so much for little respect.
[12:47] <NancyL> End ZT to Queen.
[12:47] <NancyL> Fetus, we expect so, but this is hands of man, again.
[12:48] <NancyL> ZT to Queen: The Coast to Coast listnership is a gabby sort, which is why they burn the midnight oil listening to interesting gab.
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[12:48] <NancyL> ZT: As a result, the comments of the listeners get passed around a lot, and the grapevine being what it is, people at least are AWARE of our predictions, and the inbound planet being imaged.
[12:49] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, when this becomes the dominant obsession of all, due to seeing it in the skies, they will recall having heard about it, and go research!
[12:49] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, it is expected to have reached 35% of the American and Canadian populace, indirectly, no small feat!
[12:49] <NancyL> End ZT to Queen.
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[12:49] <Eccles_P> George Nooney seemed to be taken back a bit when he realized that the population would decrease by 90 percent and not 90 million.
[12:49] <cmel> I agree with the zetas it was an excellent performance on Georges part
[12:50] <Endeavour3d> Eccles_P, why not? If someone doesn't learn the lessons they are supposed to learn in an incarnation that they were set to learn, would you skip that lesson and move to lesson 2? It would be like failing the 3rd grade but going to the 4th grade anyway
[12:50] <NancyL> Well, that reach is because the weather and quakes have folks wondering to begin with, so they will REMEMBER and pass on the info, etc.
[12:50] <NancyL> Eccles, number of incarnations can be quite high, yes, depending upon growth rate of the entity.
[12:50] <NancyL> Star, at the end he was implying May 2003, but I suspect sooner.
[12:51] <QueenVee> 35% is amazing
[12:51] <NancyL> Obany, media attention in other countries has in fact been pretty good!  At least to the level of US, which has been squelching.
[12:51] <Endeavour3d> except maybe China and some of the Mid East
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[12:51] <Endeavour3d> oh not him again
[12:51] <idol_harobed> :)
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[12:52] <NancyL> In fact, were it not for the international reach, they would try a 100% squelch in US, but the internet comes INTO the US and thus it would look suspicously like a squelch :-)  
[12:52] <Alex> idol_harobed opa
[12:52] <Endeavour3d> not you, idol ;P
[12:52] <idol_harobed> ;)
[12:52] <Endeavour3d> hehe
[12:52] <idol_harobed> Olá Alex!
[12:52] <NancyL> Eccles, yes, I listened and I DID say 90% the first time, he just didn't hear that I guess.
[12:52] <Alex> idol_harobed :)
[12:52] <idol_harobed> Coincidences...
[12:52] <Alex> eh.. hehe
[12:52] <QueenVee> idol, Alex, and Endeavour: you will be kicked if you continue
[12:52] <NancyL> OK, I'm taking Q2 ...
[12:53] <obany> Yes yes, that people from other countries now about it too, a good outreach
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[12:53] <NancyL> QUAKES
[12:53] <NancyL> 1. Why have there been ongoing quakes in Alaska, and what is the significance of the recent "swarm" of East Bay area quakes in California
[12:53] <NancyL> (see http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/11/26/BA234893.DTL) ?
[12:53] <NancyL> ZT: We predicted at the start of ZetaTalk that quakes would continue to uptick, both in frequency and Richter, going into the shift, on a somewhat linear basis.
[12:54] <NancyL> ZT: We also predicted that this would be underplayed by the establishment, quakes in remote areas simply not reported or quakes under reported.
[12:54] <NancyL> ZT: This occurred during the past two years, when it was noticed that the Richter reported by the USGS was less by almost a Richter.
[12:55] <NancyL> ZT: Then this year, 2002, it was noted that quakes were being dropped from the database altogether.
[12:55] <NancyL> ZT: At the same time, should one take the overall pulse of quakes FROM the USGS database, it looked within normal bounds.
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[12:56] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, while the increase was in the range of small Richter quakes, and not affecting large cities, the USGS et al could get away with this.
[12:56] <NancyL> ZT: But there is a threashold, where the quakes are LARGE enough to be noticed, and it is at this point that the public woke up.
[12:57] <NancyL> ZT: Were the swarm of quakes in San Francisco to be tiny, no one would even be aware there had been a swarm.
[12:57] <NancyL> ZT: Were the Richter of quakes not on the uptick to be low, the uptick could still be under reported.
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[12:58] <NancyL> ZT: But the combination of LARGER Richter quakes, along with the increase in number, will not be overlooked by the public.
[12:58] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, this is not NEW, nor outside of what we have predicted, just noticable now.
[12:59] <NancyL> ZT: The significance relates to the pattern Nancy noted and laid out in her analysis a month or so ago - the quakes not ONLY are now domino, or richocet, but are in a pattern that shows the plate push during the shift!
[13:00] <NancyL> ZT: Nancy noted this in doing an anaylsis on large quakes, that not ONLY were neighboring plates bumped, but the bump showed shift previews.
[13:01] <NancyL> ZT: A quake along Japan and Indonesia, which is compression of the Pacific related, did not only bump neighboring plates nearby, New Zealand, for instance.
[13:01] <NancyL> ZT: They reached ACROSS the Pacific, within the same DAY, and caused a compression quake there, in Alasks, for instance.
[13:02] <NancyL> ZT: The Pacific is already being compressed, although lightly compared to the shift results, but the weakness and route clearly showing.
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[13:03] <NancyL> ZT: What is happening along the West Coast is that the Pacific plate is NOT moving under in heated subduction, causing mountain building, but is pushing UP under Alaska, in the slip-slide motion the West Coast of North America known to be predominant.
[13:04] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, those areas slipping and sliding now, along San Frnaciso and Oregon, are doing so, and will INCREASE in this activity.
[13:04] <NancyL> ZTL Likewise, the Atlantic, as the UK and East Coast are aware, is stretching already, showing signs that this will be the route taken by this Rift during the shift.
[13:05] <NancyL> ZT: The African Rift is increasing in its lava oozing and quakes, and land bordering the Atlantic is finding their rail lines suddenly zigged or zagged.
[13:06] <NancyL> Read again our explaination of the Scripted Drama, along with the graphic Nancy prepared, and compare this to the quakes now noticeable.
[13:06] <NancyL> ZT: Is there not a relationship?
[13:06] <NancyL> End ZT Followup?
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[13:06] <Mike-O> Can the Zetas tell us the true magnitude (on the Richter scale) of the recent so-called 7.9 quake in Alaska?
[13:06] <phoenix> Why have there not been more tsunamis generated by the recent big quakes?
[13:06] <JFull> Is San Francisco in imminet danger of a big quake fron this swarm of quakes in bay aria?
[13:06] <serbeo> will there be quakes on the east coast soon, i.e. new york city
[13:08] <NancyL> Mike-O, I'll bet you'd get that if you went to the BBC :-).  We will soon be having MOST of our quakes in the 6+ range, then MOST in the 7+ range, etc. and affecting places like the East Coast, and then no matter what they call them, it will be obviousl.
[13:08] <NancyL> Phoenix, tsunamis are when an ocean plate drops or rises, and if slip-slide is the result, then a tsunamis would not result.  
[13:09] <LadyInRed-away> Nancy/Zeta, did a gravity wave hit earth on approx. the 24th or 25th of Nov. and cause a Time Wave or a Warp of Time and Space as some people think ?http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=6432&topic=3
[13:09] <NancyL> No drop, no rise.
[13:09] <[AEI]> What specific area will be affected on the East Coast (6+) and in one what time frame?
[13:09] <Endeavour3d> out of all this, it's a miracle Humans survived at all
[13:09] <cmel> what are the effects of the atlantic stretch in europe ?
[13:09] <Starstalker> Mike-O:  USGS/IRIS eventually listed the Alaska Quake as 8.5.
[13:09] <NancyL> JFull, the Bay Area has been eminent for a LONG time, always, yes.
[13:09] <NancyL> Serbeo, the Zetas cannot give date/place predictions, as they have explained.
[13:10] <NancyL> But I will say this, I'd not be in a brick building in an old East Coast city, nor even in the cities if I could help it, myself.
[13:10] <phoenix> thank you
[13:10] <Shaman464> will the new madrid fault start up soon?
[13:10] <NancyL> Lady, who said that stuff?  1. do they predict, 2 are they accurate, etc?
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[13:10] <cmel> hello
[13:10] <Bria> hello
[13:11] <LadyInRed-away> i was reading posts on the Hot sheet discusion boards
[13:11] <cmel> were in the midst of the session
[13:11] <NancyL> CMel, re the stretch in Europe, just ask Jeremy - UK has sink holes appearing, for one.
[13:11] <LadyInRed-away> and it was just questions
[13:11] <cmel> ok thx
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[13:12] <NancyL> Shaman, the Zetas cannot predict date/place, but Scallion, whom I have great respect for and who is NOT restricted as the Zetas are by rules, says so, yes, re New Madrid.
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[13:12] <NancyL> OK, going onto Q3 ...
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[13:12] <NancyL> FUEL STORAGE
[13:12] <NancyL> 1. What are some of the dangers, during the poleshift itself, of storing fuels such as gas and kerosene for use in the aftertime? What is the safest way to store such fuels in order to avoid such dangers?
[13:13] <NancyL> ZT: We have stated that fossil fuels will soon run out, so should not be relied upon by survivors for the long term.
[13:14] <NancyL> ZT: We have also stated that refineries and storage tanks of oil and natural gas and gasoline will be broken and set afire during the shift, creating a hollocaust for all nearby.
[13:14] <NancyL> ZT: Likewise gasoline stations, fuel pumps, and even tighly sealed tanks may rupture and leak, also a continuing danger for any nearby.
[13:15] <NancyL> ZT: Natural gaslines in streets will run fire ALONG the street, setting houses ablaze where they would otherwise not be in such danger.
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[13:15] <NancyL> ZT: Natural gas in lines under cities will cause explosions, setting the cities on fire and burning many trapped citizens in a painful death.
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[13:16] <NancyL> ZT: We would advise all to do what Nancy did, which is to turn OFF the natural gas lines in the house, turn off at the street, and avoid gas cans or anything that can explode.
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[13:17] <NancyL> ZT: What do you gain by a few cans of gas?  A few hours of heat or light?  And what do you stand to risk in exchange?  Your life?  A painful death to others?
[13:18] <NancyL> ZT: Since you are going to have to adjust to life WITHOUT these explosive fuels in any case, and SOON, learn to get along without them!
[13:18] <NancyL> End ZT Followup?
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[13:18] <ekim> If the atmosphere will be stripped away during the shift, how will things burn without oxygen?
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[13:18] <phoenix> What might happen with large cross-country underground gas pipelines?
[13:18] <NancyL> Ekim, this is not black and white.
[13:18] <QueenVee> Nancy, thank you SO MUCH for that answers, which i can now pass on to others who ask about this...
[13:18] <Milson> Re-enter
[13:18] <NancyL> The atmosphere is stripped away, in PART, but not entirely, it is REDUCED.
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[13:18] <Shaman464> what about spent nuclear waste, will that spill?
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[13:19] <Howmo> What does Scallion say about PX in 2003?
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[13:19] <ekim> Thank you
[13:19] <cmel> thats a good q shaman
[13:19] <QueenVee> Howmo: not relevant, please do not ask again
[13:19] <Endeavour3d> who will clean everything up then? Will the cleanup be done after the density shift a century from now?
[13:19] <NancyL> The oxygen is used up, in PART, by fire storms caused by chemicals in the air being passed over hot air from volcanoes, bonding petro chemicals in the air which can then light afire.
[13:19] <NancyL> But not ALL the oxygen is used, it is used in PART.
[13:20] <Howmo> Nancy just mentioned Scallion.
[13:20] <Eccles_P> In his Dec issue of IntuitiveFlash, Scallion talks of a new alternative energy to replace oil by the end of this decade.  US govt developing and controlling it...the antipode of color and sound.
[13:20] <QueenVee> Howmo: last warning
[13:20] <NancyL> The Zetas have said that in a trench, or room, partly open to the air, you will NOT suffer from oxygen lack even if a fire storm happens overhead.
[13:20] <obany> you know howmo what i have said to you ... don't disrupt
[13:20] <NancyL> It is mankind, reading about fire storms, which talks about oxygen tanks and the like.
[13:20] <Bailey> I strongly agree with not storing explosives, it has been on my mind a lot
[13:21] <Bria> How would the pole shift feel when it happens?  I am asking because of a vivid dream i had 8 years ago. Thank You
[13:21] <cmel> go ahead and repeat the question Shaman464
[13:21] <NancyL> I personally think they are risky, as they can themselves explode and create a firestorm.
[13:21] <Shaman464> what about spent nuclear waste, will that spill?
[13:21] <QueenVee> Shaman: that question has already been answered in ZetaTalk
[13:21] <cmel> it has were
[13:21] <cmel> where
[13:21] <NancyL> Shaman, nuclear wastes is a gray area, as 1. it is currently in the hands of man, so may be contained or defused or whatever.
[13:22] <NancyL> 2. at the time of the shift there MAY be some intervention depending on many factors, over which we have little control, personally.
[13:22] <n18> Endeavour: Humans will try to clean the atmosphere anyway. It's best to come up with some methods now.
[13:22] <NancyL> If I were you, if you were worried, I'd take ACTION and try to get those manning nuclear plants or bomb stores or whatever aware of what TRHEY can do, last minute.
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[13:23] <NancyL> Since this is our world, to destroy or preserve, if we get ACTIVE we are more likely to have alien help, behind the scenes.
[13:23] <NancyL> So DO IT!
[13:24] <jwilliam> shaman: http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p23.htm
[13:24] <dave7> Take responsibility.
[13:24] <NancyL> Bria, ask those who have lived through quakes.  I read about San Fran in 1906, and a woman was walking across the yard, suddenly thrown several feet.
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[13:25] <NancyL> Also, after the 7.3 in San Fran in 1989, it was on the TV a lot (I and my husband moved there just after that)
[13:25] <NancyL> They showed furniture walking across the room and such, also bridges waving up and down.  
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[13:25] <NancyL> It was reported by drivers on the Golden Gate that they SUDDENLY found themselves in another lane!
[13:25] <NancyL> Not too many accidents, they reported, as everyone was shocked and took their foot off the gas peddal :-).
[13:26] <cmel> no sh.. when everything shakes
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[13:26] <NancyL> You will notice the stars in the sky moving, but the effect on YOU will be the stoppage of motion, the quakes.
[13:26] <Bria> In my dream, i felt the earth toss like a ship at sea... up-down and sideways and it was soo vivid
[13:26] <NancyL> You will also notice the high wind, coming from the direction your plate is MOVING under the air mass.
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[13:27] <NancyL> And if where you can experience a flood tide, you will find the water just steadily rising, not stoppedin.
[13:27] <NancyL> If in a building affected by flood tide, the water will rise up the window, up the next story, up past the roof, just steadily.
[13:27] <fred> during the shift, would it be better to be above ground, in a basement, in a cave, or buried in a shelter below ground?
[13:27] <NancyL> More of less, that's the shift.
[13:27] <norman> Nancy, regarding location: can you say anything about what will happen with waterlevel in the fjords of Norway (on the eastern part)?
[13:28] <QueenVee> Norman: if nancy does not answer now, please email that question to me for next week's agenda
[13:28] <NancyL> Bria, quakes can be horizontal or verical, yes.  
[13:28] <norman> ok
[13:28] <Bria> Thank you Nancy
[13:28] <NancyL> Fred, my favorite is the trench, which means you are JUST under the surface, but nothing that can trap you is on top of you.
[13:29] <NancyL> Metal or tin root laid flat on top of the trench, more than one escape route out so not trapped.
[13:29] <NancyL> Or perhaps sod covered board, so sod holds it from blowing away.
[13:29] <NancyL> If burried chamber, could get crushed or trapped.
[13:30] <Bailey> ya ya kool
[13:30] <NancyL> Basement might not be bad, but the house could fall down on you, likely will.
[13:30] <cmel> Norman don't you think the fjords would act like a funnel and make the waves go very very high ??
[13:30] <Thunderoc>  perhaps metal culverts like used for drainage in ditches?
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[13:30] <JFull> Will wind be a factor when roation stops? or not untill PS starts?
[13:30] <fred> thank you, Nancy.
[13:30] <NancyL> ZT to Norman:  The fjords in Norway will find the water level dropping at first, during the week of rotation stoppage.
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[13:31] <NancyL> ZT: Then during the shift, as the Atlantic rips, this will not create an increase in water level.
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[13:32] <NancyL> ZT: As we have described for the bay for Sweden and Estonia, sloshing will occur, with water rushing INTO and OUT OF the bay to and from the Atlantic.
[13:32] <NancyL> ZT: The fjords are deep, and the cliffs along them steep, and in particular narrow.
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[13:33] <NancyL> ZT: Thus, there may be tides running ALONG them, but sloshing from side to side is unlikely to be much.
[13:33] <NancyL> ZT: Those at the ends of the fjords may need to worry about water rushing inland a bit.
[13:33] <NancyL> End ZT to Norman.
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[13:33] <QueenVee> time for another question on the agenda, nancy?
[13:33] <NancyL> Hour is up, guys, and the 4:00 will start soon.  I'll see anyone with continuing Q's there!
[13:33] <NancyL> Bye! /quit
[13:34] <Ukrainian> Dzetu govoryat po russki ?
[13:34] <Bailey> I am concerned about fire, not just in the city but in the sky and forests, dont know why exactly
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[13:34] <Thunderoc> thank you Nancy!
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[13:34] <norman> Thanks ZT
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[13:34] <obany> the next session will be in #zetatalk in about 26 minuts
[13:34] <Thunderoc> sothe session will be in Zetatlk next?
[13:34] <Thunderoc> oops
[13:34] <obany> yes
[13:34] <Thunderoc> lol
[13:34] <cmel> guys I'll have to reboot my machine so brb
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[13:34] <QueenVee> THANKS EVERYBODY!!! Nancy will begin another session in the #zetatalk channel in 1/2 hour
[13:34] <Bailey> bye nancy, she makes such a quick exit, does not need any encouragment from anyone, that is some lady,
[13:34] <Thunderoc> Thans you obany, QueenVe!!! :o)
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[13:35] <LadyInRed> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/29/1038386298801.html
[13:35] <Zetapal> .   ~~*     .o   O
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[13:35] <Endeavour3d> bye
[13:35] <phoenix> Good session, thanks to all ;)
[13:35] <LadyInRed> giant jellyfish in Japan
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[13:35] <Domicile> She's a brave girl
[13:35] <Lightspeed> bye
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[13:35] <Thunderoc> we are all brave
[13:35] <Bailey> #zetatalk
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[13:35] <obany> next session will be in #zetatalk in about 25 minuts
[13:35] <franci66> Will Norway and swedish forest be burnt completely during PS or will survivors use them for wood in the Atertime?
[13:35] <QueenVee> I HAVE TO LEAVE FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES. WILL BE BACK HERE LATER IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
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[13:36] <LadyInRed> take care Queen
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[13:36] <Bailey> did you read about the giant turtle
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[13:36] <Ukrainian> By to all
[13:36] <Domicile> Thanks QueenVee
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[13:36] <Bria> I have a burning question if anyone is game
[13:36] <Bailey> lol domicile, that is all woman
[13:36] <LadyInRed> ?
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[13:37] <Bria> Cayce predicted a pole shift in 99, but it never happened
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[13:37] <phoenix> I like your graphic, zetapal.
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[13:37] <obany> next zetatalk session in about 24 minuts ... /join #zetatalk
[13:37] <LadyInRed> i thought he predicted the satart of the shift in 99
[13:37] <Bria> what accounts for the 3-4 yr diff?
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[13:37] <LadyInRed> start*
[13:37] <Bailey> gegorian calindar?
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[13:38] <TavliGal> maybe an uplift in conceousness bria
[13:38] <cmel> back
[13:38] <phoenix> Cayce was never real specific with dates, mostly just "in this period" type dating.
[13:38] <Bailey> some say 2003 is 2012
[13:38] <TavliGal> well the numbers are the same
[13:38] <Bailey> but that is 7 years
[13:38] <LadyInRed> Cayce also said when Etna came to life and the submerged island there started rising that things would start to really heat up
[13:38] <TavliGal> both add up to 5
[13:38] <Bria> *sigh*  thanks.  I just dont want to see this happen.  Doubts are my only defense
[13:39] <Bailey> I want to ask nancy about the second passing
[13:39] <TavliGal> yesterday i was thinking about the numerology of the years
[13:39] <Bria> I thought it was Etna and vesuvious
[13:39] <Bria> together going off
[13:39] <Bria> No?
[13:39] <fred> bria, cayce mentioned the 40 year period from 58-98.  PX noticeably began affecting earth's weather in 75, our geology and sun in 95.  the earth's core began moving in 98.  it's really difficult to know exactly what he meant by that....
[13:39] <LadyInRed> as of last night , there are 30 volcanos worldwide haveing some sort of activity
[13:39] <TavliGal> and am hoping that the zetas have it wrong lol
[13:39] <Frank> The "THE AWAKENING"  site has had a makeover, tnx to Jurian. Hope you'll enjoy it  http://www.troubled-times.com/awakening
[13:39] <Bailey> It  was my understanding Casey left that open to etna or vesuvius?
[13:39] <Bria> geez
[13:40] <LadyInRed> Etna was first on his list
[13:40] <Bria> oh yeah..... Pelee was in there somewhere too i think
[13:40] <phoenix> Wasn't it 'the greater activity' in Vesuvius, preceded be Etna and Pelee, or Pele?
[13:40] <tied2> In the clip I watched on the Histroy channel Cayce predicted a poleshift between the years 1997 - 2000
[13:41] <TavliGal> date prediction is so difficult
[13:41] <tied2> sure
[13:41] <Bria> Any1 live on the west coast?
[13:41] <TavliGal> im in vancouver, bc
[13:41] <Bria> good4u!
[13:41] <LadyInRed> not relly sure pheonix just going by some of his things i read:(
[13:41] <TavliGal> where are you at bria?
[13:41] <Bria> california
[13:42] <TavliGal> i think we're both is bad locations :(
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[13:42] <phoenix> yeah, lady, me too...its all pretty open to interpretation ;)
[13:42] <Bria> I wonder if it will get torn off the continent when the shift happens or if it will be more gradual.  California has endured many quakes
[13:42] <Bria> even though it is a land shelf
[13:43] <tied2> also in cayces map the water levels are much higher but it doest show a 90degree pole shift
[13:43] <kwandrie1> any body have an idea how deep water over missouri will get?
[13:43] <Bria> In the Eye On America Map... San Diego was on it, but most everything else was gone
[13:43] <TavliGal> zetas say San Diego is toast
[13:44] <TavliGal> it will just wash away
[13:44] <kwandrie1> highest elevation in missouri is 700 feet above sea level
[13:44] <fred> kwandrie1, last week Nancy suggested that except for the ozarks, missouri would all be underwater because of the sloshing affect if nothing else.
[13:44] <kwandrie1> true but wondering how deep
[13:44] <Bria> Where's nancy gonna go?
[13:44] <Bria> LOL
[13:44] <kwandrie1> it would not be so bad if it were only under a few inches where i am
[13:44] <TavliGal> i think shes staying put no?  She's prepared
[13:45] <Bria> where at?
[13:45] <kwandrie1> but several hundred feet would be a pain
[13:45] <TavliGal> she lives in wisconsin
[13:45] <TavliGal> not sure which city/town
[13:45] <Bria> I used to live out that way
[13:45] <fred> kw, how deep does it have to be to drown?  perhaps the farther north the less deep...  do you live near the new madrid fault?
[13:45] <Bria> Minnesota got too cold
[13:45] <kwandrie1> i am building a new deck and  planning to put boat dock floats under it...lol
[13:45] <franci66> Lady Etna is already started with lava and ash, as you know and the sea around Eolian Islands is already started bubbling up so Cyce is right!
[13:46] <Bria> Eolian islands??
[13:46] <LadyInRed> yes franci
[13:46] <LadyInRed> and there is an undersea island rising
[13:46] <kwandrie1> well...i could anchor the dock to the ground however a lot  of goodit would do if the rope is te n feet too short....
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[13:46] <franci66> Around Panarea
[13:47] <Bria> hmm
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[13:47] <Bria> There was another famous proph... about 2 more popes supposedly.  Anyone familiar?
[13:47] <M> hello all
[13:47] <tied2> Kwandrie you best look for another place
[13:47] <abk> Bria, St Malachy made that prophecy
[13:48] <TerrorDactyl> just because a few volcanoes go off it doesn't mean a rogue planet is nearby
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[13:48] <LadyInRed> Etna has graduated from a Hotspot volcano to an Island Arc volcano
[13:48] <kwandrie1> well i would but am not able to do that finacially
[13:48] <fred> bria, yes.  i have read a few accounts of this.  some say that the current pope is the next to last one.  some say, the second to last one.
[13:48] <kwandrie1> doesnt mean it isn't either
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[13:48] <TerrorDactyl> true
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[13:49] <LadyInRed> Terror I dont think 30 volcanos erupting worldwide is just a few!
[13:49] <LadyInRed> at one time!
[13:49] <franci66> Does it mean it's becoming now a more explosive volcano?
[13:49] <Bria> Fred... the next pope was said to have a very short term
[13:49] <TerrorDactyl> nope, but lets see the charts that show 30 to be outside of normal scope
[13:49] <LadyInRed> yes francie
[13:49] <LadyInRed> show us Terror
[13:49] <fred> bria, yes.  i like that interpretion best.  he was to be the last righteous pope.
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[13:50] <TerrorDactyl> i am asking you
[13:50] <Bailey> my RV I am living in has propain, It has been on my heart and mind to get rid of the explosive propaine and other flamable stuff, go with wood and elc bateries etc
[13:50] <Bria> that would mean that the current one has to be replaced between now and march sometime
[13:50] <Bria> i would think
[13:50] <Bailey> she had a good point there
[13:50] <kwandrie1> i have actually seen rv's with wood burning stoves
[13:51] <LadyInRed> i dont know where to find that sort of info
[13:51] <Bailey> my bus did
[13:51] <Starstalker> Here are some archived "charts" Terror.    http://rathbun.si.edu/gvp/reports/usgs/archive.cfm
[13:51] <LadyInRed> your so smart you find it please!:)
[13:51] <fred> bria,  that's logical.  but have you heard of this.  the current pope has been hoping another prophecy about him will hold true.
[13:51] <Bria> what other prophecy?
[13:51] <cmel-brb> hey bria who says there wil be a next pope
[13:51] <cmel-brb> ?
[13:51] <fred> it is that he will see the second coming before he dies.  one might approach it this way.
[13:52] <Bria> i cant remember if it was cayse or nostro
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[13:52] <Bria> whoa
[13:52] <Bailey> it was nost that predicted the popes
[13:52] <fred> if the current pope becomes incompacitated by ill health.  they'll choose another one.  who will die quickly. and then the last un-righteous pope will reign while the current one is still alive!!!
[13:53] <TerrorDactyl> thx starstalke, i will look later
[13:53] <Bria> thanks bailey.  I get my prophets mixed up
[13:53] <Bailey> if, LOL fred
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[13:53] <LadyInRed> lol
[13:53] <cmel> hehe
[13:53] <TerrorDactyl> where does it say there are 30 volcanoes erupting at this moment?
[13:53] <kwandrie1> for some interesting rv's check out the name "housetrucks or house trucks" on google
[13:53] <Bria> thats what i was thinking fred
[13:54] <LadyInRed> http://www.swvrc.org/cerupt.htm
[13:54] <kwandrie1> this one has wood burning stove   http://www.mrsharkey.com/busbarn/glen/glen.htm
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[13:54] <LadyInRed> going to ZT now
[13:55] <Bailey> I have a little belly stove to go in the trailer I am building and plan to sell the motorhome
[13:55] <fred> bria, how do you understand the 'third secret of fatima'?  the current pope has been trying to fully comprehend that one his whole life.
[13:55] <franci66> Meanwhile, panicked fishermen in the Aeolian island of Panarea noticed white waters with dead fish, a strong smell of sulphur and vortex in the waters off the rock of Lisca Bianca
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[13:55] <franci66> Meanwhile, panicked fishermen in the Aeolian island of Panarea noticed white waters with dead fish, a strong smell of sulphur and vortex in the waters off the rock of Lisca Bianca
[13:55] <Bria> i am not sure about that one
[13:55] <Bria> dont really have a theory
[13:56] <Bria> well......maybe......do you think it has to do with the corruption of the catholic church?
[13:56] <M> RED?
[13:56] <fred> bria, i've read a little of father malachi's work.  he is one of the few to have read it.  very interesting....
[13:56] <Bria> maybe all the accusations and pedifilia?
[13:56] <kwandrie1> well in the movie that indicated active volcanics
[13:57] <fred> yes, the catholic church 'corruption' is definitely a factor!
[13:57] <Bria> what does he think?
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[13:57] <Bailey> Franci, I think that has to do with the crysalised methain and natural gas shifting under the sea floor, like the bermuda triangle ship sinkings from the gasses
[13:57] <Bria> I've heard of him
[13:57] <Bailey> the gas clouds also cause plans to fall out of the air and compases to go off kilter
[13:58] <fred> well, the died in 1999. although he had read it, he didn't make the text public--only in implications.  i would suggest you read his work.
[13:58] <fred> it's Father Malachi Martin is his full name...
[13:58] <Bailey> nancy is in #zetalalk
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[13:59] <Bria> Cool.  Thanks fred.  Going to zetatalk
[13:59] <fred> bria, i'm going to zetatalk for awhile.  nice talking with you
[13:59] <Bria> nancy's already started
[13:59] <Bria> lol
[13:59] <Bria> cya there
[13:59] <Bailey> yes Malachi was kool
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[14:02] <froggy> hi, everybody
[14:02] <obany> check #zetatalk
[14:03] <abk> No it was Saint Malachy, an Irish priest in about the 13th century who predicted every pope from then until now.  Look it up.
[14:04] <froggy> ok
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[14:05] <Zetapal> did you do anymore downloading today cmel?
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[14:06] <cmel> no
[14:07] <Zetapal> :(
[14:07] <cmel> only the lazar show
[14:07] <Zetapal> mmm
[14:08] <Queen-away> hello
[14:08] <Zetapal> herro
[14:08] <Zetapal> beer run?
[14:08] <cmel> well I didn't look into which shows I wanted , sorry
[14:08] <Queen-away> lol vodka run actually -- for eggnogg
[14:08] <Queen-away> this is really weird
[14:08] <Queen-away> it won't let me change my nick
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[14:09] <cmel> heh
[14:10] <Queen-away> wtf
[14:10] <PGill> well, again i forget and join late....what was the agenda for today?
[14:11] <obany> mmm some questions.. one about the radio show ... and one about the earthquakes and some other ones, beter check #zetatalk now
[14:11] <cmel> that alledged abduction was bogus, according to ZT QueenVee
[14:11] <PGill> im there just wondering if there was anything planned or just answer whatever comes, but thx
[14:13] <cmel> QueenVee ... PGill has a question
[14:13] <PGill> nah
[14:13] <PGill> obany summed it up
[14:14] <PGill> im gonna check out the logs later
[14:14] <cmel> heh
[14:14] <cmel> shes away anyway
[14:20] <Endeavour3d> if anyone cares, Nancy is doing the session in #zetatalk
[14:22] <Zetapal> frankly Scarlet  - I  Don't  Give-a-Damn  !
[14:22] <Zetapal> :)
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[14:26] <inkpen> hello
[14:26] <PilsDB> ink - how's it going?
[14:26] <Starstalker> Howdy, inkpen.  We are in #zetatalk.
[14:27] <inkpen> ok
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[14:27] <inkpen> did you see that?
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[14:27] <inkpen> i hope not :)
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[14:27] <Starstalker> See, what???
[14:28] <inkpen> never mind i authed in here, i wasnt sure if u saw my password
[14:28] <Starstalker> Nope
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[14:31] <LadyInRed-away> darn
[14:31] <Starstalker> Whats wrong, Lady?
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[14:32] <LadyInRed-away> i disconnected lol
[14:33] <Starstalker> oops
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[14:36] <LadyInRed> http://www.thehotsheets.com/solarsystem/
[14:37] <LadyInRed> someone on the hotsheet board spotted something  with a tail
[14:37] <LadyInRed> px?
[14:37] <Starstalker> Thanks, Lady.  was wondering what they were referring to.
[14:38] <LadyInRed> yw:)
[14:38] <Queen-away> brb
[14:39] <Shaman464> Im sorry queen for my bad question
[14:39] <obany> mmm reading it yes ... lady ... and no coordinates mentioned thre right?
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[14:40] <LadyInRed> non obany
[14:41] <LadyInRed> waiting on more posts
[14:41] <LadyInRed> maybe tonight
[14:41] <LadyInRed> im sure they will ALL be searching tonight :)
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[14:41] <Shaman464> hi tom
[14:41] <LadyInRed> i like that site
[14:41] <LadyInRed> lots of info there
[14:42] <TomB> hey
[14:42] <LadyInRed> and they are amatures not government scientists
[14:42] <LadyInRed> nothing to hide
[14:42] <LadyInRed> hi Tomb
[14:42] <TomB> hi
[14:43] <TomB> what site are you talking about
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[14:43] <LadyInRed> Hot Sheets
[14:43] <LadyInRed> brb
[14:43] <obany> one can even write a posting him/herself or a follow up
[14:44] <LadyInRed> http://www.thehotsheets.com/
[14:44] <LadyInRed> that one was on solarsystem links
[14:44] <Shaman464> www.thehotsheets.com/solarsystem/
[14:44] <obany> you can even write a posting yourself in that forum
[14:44] <LadyInRed> but there are many discussion bards
[14:44] <LadyInRed> yes
[14:44] <LadyInRed> i do
[14:44] <LadyInRed> and ask questions
[14:45] <LadyInRed> bards=boards lol
[14:46] <Starstalker> BTW, there is an elongated nebula below Orions belt in his "sword" that might appear to the naked eye as a "tail".
[14:46] <dwander> there are discussion bards too...singing various tunes...:)
[14:47] <LadyInRed> cool Star
[14:47] <LadyInRed> could be what irt is then
[14:47] <LadyInRed> we'll see :)
[14:48] <Starstalker> I'm definitely going to take a look tonight with binocs.  Supposed to be clear.