Session Start: Thu Dec 05 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
[00:18] * [3j] yawns
[00:18] <[3j]> quiet in here
[00:19] <[3j]> i wonder where all the good old peeps are at
[00:40] * Himitsu-afk is now known as Himitsu
[00:40] * Himitsu returns (Auto-away after 30 mins idle [1h 33m 30s]) (total away time: 1h 33m 30s)
[00:51] <Himitsu> got quiet in here...
[00:51] <[3j]> yes
[00:52] <[3j]> Himitsu, what is yes in japanese
[00:52] <[3j]> and no? :)
[00:52] <Himitsu> hai
[00:52] <Himitsu> iye
[00:52] <[3j]> hai, quiet, iye loud
[00:52] <Himitsu> doesn't have to be loud
[00:53] <[3j]> well freax isnt here..
[00:53] <[3j]> and most americans are sleeping anyway
[00:53] <Himitsu> lol
[00:53] <[3j]> ah
[00:54] <[3j]> tied2 is obviously awake though
[00:54] <[3j]> tied2 has been idle 18secs, signed on Thu Dec 05 00:36:33
[00:54] <[3j]> maybe hes in those sex channels
[00:54] <Yoshimitsu> in funnet?
[00:54] * [3j] wonders if there is any porno # on funnet
[00:54] <[3j]> hehe
[00:54] <[3j]> maybe there very secret
[00:54] <[3j]> not enough users though
[00:54] <tied2> you just gotta know where to look
[00:54] <[3j]> where where!
[00:54] <[3j]> tell us tied2
[00:55] <Yoshimitsu> lol
[00:55] <[3j]> maybe .. tied2 is the spy :\
[00:55] <tied2> spy?
[00:55] <Yoshimitsu> lol
[00:55] <[3j]> are you ?
[00:56] <Yoshimitsu> me?
[00:56] <tied2> spy for who?
[00:56] <[3j]> stupid question, spies wouldnt admit it
[00:56] <[3j]> aha
[00:56] <ShadowCow> Spy?
[00:56] <ShadowCow> Shame on you, tied2!
[00:56] <tied2> for what?
[00:56] <[3j]> spill your guts now or else face torture
[00:56] <ShadowCow> I'll sing!
[00:56] <Yoshimitsu> or both
[00:56] <tied2> I'm not the one spoofing
[00:57] <[3j]> oh yeah your the one who had that same ip as Himitsu right
[00:57] <[3j]> not spoofing, hah
[00:57] <Yoshimitsu> can't have the same ip as me
[00:57] <tied2> lol thats some bullshit and you know it
[00:57] * ShadowCow is very serious about her use of singing as a deterrant
[00:57] <[3j]> or was it all the same quit message
[00:58] <[3j]> dont make me pull out my logs, they are very powerful indeed
[00:58] <tied2> so what am i guilty of?
[00:58] <[3j]> your the one implying guilt :(
[00:58] <Himitsu> tied2 is using rr
[00:58] <tied2> do it because there wrong or you are I have nothing to hide!
[00:59] <[3j]> i just rounded up my list of suspects to 4
[00:59] <[3j]> tied2, is of course numero quatro
[00:59] <ShadowCow> tied2 is a fat woman from Tuskaloosa!
[00:59] <tied2> RR = roadrunner a common isp
[01:00] <[3j]> [C]: tied2 is in the cia, dont tell him
[01:00] <[3j]> muahaha
[01:00] <tied2> so why do you now turn on me cow ? have I ever done anything to you?
[01:00] <[3j]> ShadowCow just wanted to sing...
[01:01] <ShadowCow> I vill haf zee trut! Fetch me ze soft cushions!
[01:01] <[3j]> haha
[01:02] <tied2> about what?
[01:02] <[3j]> i dont know, but soft cushions.... thats a hint :\
[01:02] <Yoshimitsu> [C]: did you know that Himitsu and Yoshimitsu are the same right?
[01:02] <ShadowCow> All of it!
[01:03] <[3j]> [C]: yes
[01:03] <Yoshimitsu> [C]: just checking
[01:03] <Yoshimitsu> [C]: you were talking about the ip being the same
[01:03] <Yoshimitsu> [C]: so I have 2 comps hooked up using the same ip
[01:03] <Yoshimitsu> [C]: oops
[01:03] <Yoshimitsu> [C]: time for dinner!
[01:04] <Himitsu> gotta eat!
[01:04] <[3j]> crypto
[01:04] * ShadowCow giggles and goes to bed.
[01:04] <ShadowCow> Night!
[01:04] <[3j]> i bet tied2 would love to get the key to that
[01:04] <[3j]> night!
[01:04] <[3j]> spies and all, need to know the info :)
[01:04] <Himitsu> gnight
[01:04] * ShadowCow has quit IRC
[01:04] <tied2> 1naw who cares
[01:05] <[3j]> i just find it odd
[01:05] <tied2> that what ?
[01:05] <z> hmmm... that is just plain crap.. that Bush is a shapeshifter etc
[01:05] <[3j]> all the covert talking, hiding, backtalking, what gives
[01:05] <[3j]> cant you be open
[01:05] <[3j]> this is only IRC
[01:06] <tied2> sure ! haven't i been plain your the one spoofing your IP3
[01:06] <[3j]> hmm
[01:06] <[3j]> spoofing means I would change my IP to another IP
[01:06] <[3j]> which is impossible
[01:06] <[3j]> since all routers do back checks on IP headers
[01:06] <[3j]> may i suggest TCP/IP by Oreilly publishing?
[01:06] <[3j]> very good book.
[01:07] <tied2> oh really your probably right My bad
[01:07] <[3j]> no prob lots of people confuse the terms
[01:08] <tied2> yeah I know ...lots of people think I live in japan too lmao there really stupid
[01:08] <[3j]> haha
[01:08] <[3j]> dont call me stupid thats not nice
[01:09] <[3j]> I'm not calling you names now am i?
[01:09] <tied2> oh you think I live in japan?
[01:09] <[3j]> i've suggested it
[01:09] <tied2> you s o wrong lol
[01:09] <[3j]> if you say so
[01:09] <[3j]> this just had to do with some strange patterns between you too
[01:10] <tied2> yo should probably go do some more checking .....
[01:10] <[3j]> well i dont really need to do more checking, i just look what goes on in here
[01:10] <[3j]> if it was some master thesis, sure
[01:10] <[3j]> otherwise, what for
[01:10] <tied2> why because we both use Linux and not wintendows?
[01:11] <[3j]> hmm
[01:11] <[3j]> been a few weeks, but iirc
[01:11] <[3j]> it was something to do with same IPs, msgs and quits
[01:11] <[3j]> maybe himistsu was pretending to be you? :)
[01:12] <tied2> what ever dud e so why don't you just inter my box and find out all?
[01:12] <[3j]> enter your box?
[01:12] <[3j]> give me login and password, sure ill fix your shit
[01:12] <tied2> sure you seem to think you know what your talking about
[01:13] <[3j]> your the one who thinks im spoofing my ip
[01:13] * [3j] does /whois [3j]
[01:13] <[3j]> hmm, looks quite legit to me
[01:13] <[3j]> why dont you ask jurian or some other open if its even possible to log on funnet with a spoofed ip
[01:13] <[3j]> oper even
[01:14] <tied2> d oit again because mine come s up westerohio road runner .com if thats in japan I'll kiss your ass
[01:14] <[3j]> of course its not in japan duh
[01:14] <[3j]> and plz dont kiss my ass !
[01:14] <[3j]> nooo
[01:14] <[3j]> but i guess you never heard of the term remote shells
[01:14] <[3j]> its a possibility pal
[01:15] <tied2> so your saying then himitsu is in Ohio then?
[01:15] <[3j]> and at the time this topic was in context it was quite relevant
[01:15] <tied2> YOU SO FUCKING WRONG ....... I'm tired of this shit hack me or shut up
[01:16] <[3j]> i dont need to hack you dude
[01:16] <[3j]> no intent to at all
[01:16] <tied2> you can't
[01:16] <[3j]> your right I can't
[01:16] <[3j]> can you hack me?
[01:16] <tied2> you can't even get a whois right
[01:16] <[3j]> haha
[01:16] <[3j]> what are you talking about
[01:16] <[3j]> ./whois nick? on irc?
[01:17] <[3j]> plz gimme a break your talking out of your ass
[01:17] <tied2> either tell me why you think I'm two people or shut up about it
[01:17] <[3j]> you know if your gona setup a linux box at least know wtf your doing before going around and thinking your such an elite dude, k
[01:18] <[3j]> i did, and like i said its way past there dude, it has no importance anymore
[01:18] * [3j] thinks your getting the queenvee fever
[01:18] <tied2> I don't think but i KNOW you don't know because i know I'm not
[01:18] <[3j]> you can only read what comes down your nose but not what others type :(
[01:18] <tied2> who cares
[01:19] <[3j]> well look you said i'm spoofing my IP
[01:19] <[3j]> wtf is up with that
[01:19] <[3j]> I've always been on this IP
[01:19] <tied2> ok
[01:20] <[3j]> talk the talk, but cant walk the walk :)
[01:20] <tied2> yeah right
[01:20] <[3j]> yessir
[01:20] <[3j]> you can speak your mind in here, dont worry i wont go apeshit like that other freak channel
[01:23] <tied2> can you find me now?
[01:23] <[3j]> your right here...
[01:25] <tied2> whats you are deal why do you wanna harass me?
[01:25] <tied2> I'm not two people I'm me ! get it in your fucking head
[01:25] <[3j]> wtf im not harrasing no one tied2
[01:25] <[3j]> your the one getting so friggin defensive here
[01:26] <[3j]> whys that?
[01:26] <tied2> ok my bad your right I'm sorry to disappoint you but you been played
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[01:34] * Himitsu is now known as Himitsu-afk
[01:47] * Himitsu-afk is now known as Himitsu
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[02:27] <[3j]> freax !
[02:27] <[3j]> evening/morning/good day
[02:28] <[3j]> i have some qv info
[02:28] <[3j]> new info :P
[02:28] <[3j]> let me know if you want it
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[03:05] <freax> so what was this information?
[03:06] <[3j]> ahh
[03:07] <[3j]> hehe thought you didnt see my message
[03:07] <freax> JurAFK: i can understand why you've used a laptop as your router, quietness, reliability...
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[03:07] <freax> i did
[03:07] <freax> hi Mr_Odd
[03:07] <freax> up to let me know
[03:07] <[3j]> i got her name/addie/visa#
[03:07] <[3j]> ill msg name addie
[03:07] <[3j]> rest is crime so :(
[03:07] <Himitsu> lol
[03:07] <freax> lol
[03:07] <freax> funky
[03:07] <freax> did you pay for that information?
[03:08] <[3j]> no
[03:08] <freax> thats good
[03:08] <freax> =P
[03:08] <Himitsu> maybe you should make a donation to zetatalk using the cc number
[03:08] <Himitsu> put her money where her mouth is
[03:08] <Himitsu> hehehe
[03:08] <freax> you shouldnt have really spoken of this in here
[03:08] <[3j]> really its #3 in her name list
[03:08] <[3j]> but i think its good
[03:08] <freax> jurian is gonna be pissed
[03:08] <[3j]> what!
[03:08] <freax> what?
[03:08] <freax> i aint gonna tell him
[03:08] <Mr_Odd> hi
[03:08] <z> bonjour, Mr_Odd
[03:08] <freax> =P
[03:08] <[3j]> jurian is going to be pissed i spoked about madame x
[03:09] <freax> well breaking another ones privacy like that
[03:09] <[3j]> on the other servers that are not funnet??
[03:09] <freax> its against isp rules for gods sake
[03:09] <freax> let alone the irc rules
[03:09] <[3j]> i see
[03:09] <freax> and government rules
[03:09] <freax> although
[03:09] <[3j]> just to be clear here
[03:09] <[3j]> she is the one who opened her big mouth
[03:10] <[3j]> anyone who knew how to use a browser could of gotten it
[03:10] <freax> if you recieved this information directly from her its not much of a biggie
[03:10] <freax> oh =P
[03:10] <[3j]> not like i hax0red her pc
[03:10] <[3j]> im not that cool
[03:10] <[3j]> hehe
[03:10] <freax> well ok
[03:11] <freax> thats against rules not an information retrieval from some website
[03:11] <freax> you'll be ok =P
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[03:12] <FunBot> [obany] <-- Coffee, tea, fish and internet addict!
[03:12] <freax> hi obany
[03:12] <obany> hi freax
[03:13] <freax> seen saturn tonight
[03:13] <FunBot> I don't know who saturn is.
[03:13] <z> I haven't seen 'saturn', freax
[03:14] <[3j]> saturn is out to naked eye??
[03:14] <Himitsu> oh yes
[03:14] <freax> =)
[03:14] <freax> man its spectacular with the binos =D
[03:14] <Himitsu> easy in binos I bet
[03:14] <Himitsu> you should see it in a scope
[03:14] <freax> my high-powered ones are fucked
[03:14] <freax> =(
[03:15] <freax> mmm
[03:15] <freax> i need a scope
[03:15] * FunBot sets mode: +l 27
[03:16] <Himitsu> make one
[03:16] <freax> i could
[03:16] <freax> then again i couldnt
[03:16] <freax> no $$$
[03:16] <Himitsu> make a dob, it is not expensive and it is easy
[03:16] <Himitsu> stop buying radars
[03:16] <Himitsu> heheh
[03:16] <freax> radars?
[03:16] <freax> oh btw, the intel pentium 200 mmx chip arrived today
[03:17] <Himitsu> you are always shopping for antennas and feed horns
[03:17] <Himitsu> figured you were making a radar or somehting
[03:17] <Himitsu> hehe
[03:17] <Himitsu> maybe to find planet x
[03:17] <Himitsu> lol
[03:17] <freax> nah, they use a different antenna type/design
[03:19] <Himitsu> I know
[03:19] <freax> besides you need a very special licence to even operate one
[03:19] <Himitsu> brb
[03:21] <freax> damn, power fluctuations
[03:22] <Himitsu> somebody else must be using their radar
[03:22] <freax> who's radar?
[03:23] <Himitsu> j/k
[03:23] <Himitsu> <freax> damn, power fluctuations
[03:23] <freax> i see
[03:24] <freax> no, theres 60 fires raging around sydney, and the lights are going crazy
[03:24] <freax> all the loose branches hitting the lines you see
[03:24] <freax> and fires burning wooden poles, etc
[03:24] <Himitsu> ouch
[03:25] <Himitsu> hope it rains
[03:25] <freax> theres no rain predicted for another few days
[03:25] <freax> a large high is gone all over the entire country
[03:25] <freax> there is a low moving in from the west but its taking its damn time about it
[03:26] <Himitsu> you are close to Sydney?
[03:26] <freax> no, 140km's to the north
[03:26] <freax> but we've got problems here too 5 fires in the hunter valleys
[03:27] <freax> what im worried about is the nuclear power plant in sydneys west
[03:27] <freax> where all the fires are raging lol
[03:27] <Himitsu> I have a feeling they will keep it away from there
[03:27] <freax> i dont want no damn fucking nuclear winds sweeping in from the west
[03:28] <Himitsu> lol
[03:28] <freax> mmm, maybe
[03:28] <freax> its pretty serious
[03:28] <freax> weve had the same things last christmas aswell
[03:28] <Himitsu> what is the local news website?
[03:28] <Mr_Odd> brb, rebooting
[03:28] <freax> www.abc.net.au
[03:28] <freax> the largest one before that one was in 1994
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[03:28] <freax> k mr
[03:29] <Himitsu> did you get to see the eclipse?
[03:29] <freax> no
[03:29] <freax> it was too shrouded in smoke here
[03:29] <Himitsu> damn, that's too bad
[03:30] <freax> seen it on the news though
[03:30] <FunBot> I don't know who it is.
[03:30] <z> I haven't seen 'it', freax
[03:30] <Himitsu> not the same
[03:30] <freax> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2002/12/item20021205070358_1.htm
[03:30] <freax> i know
[03:31] <freax> but there in spirit =)
[03:32] <freax> RFS commissioner Phil Koperberg says the bushfire emergency is the worst Sydney has experienced in up to 30 years.
[03:32] <freax> More than 3,000 firefighters are battling up to 75 major blazes to the north, west and south of Sydney.
[03:32] <Himitsu> saw that
[03:32] <freax> quite
[03:32] <freax> that army force thing is bullshit
[03:32] <freax> they're there for image alone
[03:33] <freax> they cant really do anything without firetrucks
[03:33] <Himitsu> "The Australian Defence Force has been asked to provide assistance such as food and accommodation for interstate firefighters, and the use of defence refuelling and airfield facilities to support aerial firefighting."
[03:33] <Himitsu> they can help make firebreaks
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[03:34] <freax> mmm
[03:34] <freax> http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s741401.htm
[03:34] <freax> thermoacoustic frige
[03:35] * freax listens to haujobb - eye over you
[03:35] <freax> ive got 1 1/2 hours of fire footage here
[03:35] <freax> want me to digitise some and upload it to my website, in 500k allotments?
[03:37] <Himitsu> nah
[03:37] <Himitsu> I have seen fires before
[03:37] <freax> ok pics then
[03:37] <Himitsu> k
[03:38] <freax> they're taken off tv
[03:39] <freax> god damn stupid fucking router
[03:39] <freax> =P
[03:39] <freax> gotta reboot
[03:39] <freax> and its gonna cost me
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[04:06] <freax> futurama is on
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[04:22] <freax> wt
[04:22] <freax> f
[04:22] <freax> 30th century fox?
[04:22] <freax> eehehehe
[04:23] <Mr_Odd> it's always been like that on futurama, heh
[04:23] <freax> mmm
[04:24] <freax> god damn
[04:24] <Mr_Odd> damn god
[04:25] <freax> just a second
[04:25] <freax> stupid fucking vcr!
[04:26] <freax> oh god
[04:26] <freax> theres a fire in metro sydney
[04:26] <freax> im watching the news
[04:27] <Mr_Odd> eek
[04:27] <freax> in ryde
[04:27] <freax> surrounded by houses and is less than 10k's from the centre of sydney
[04:27] <Mr_Odd> yikes
[04:28] <freax> this is surreal
[04:29] <freax> residents in sydney south
[04:29] <freax> remain on high alery
[04:29] <freax> might need to go
[04:29] <freax> power dropping
[04:30] <Mr_Odd> ugh
[04:32] <freax> 80 km's an hour expected in menai
[04:32] <freax> winds
[04:34] <freax> fuck
[04:35] <Mr_Odd> wassup?
[04:36] <freax> im just in awe over all the damage
[04:36] <Mr_Odd> ah
[04:36] <Mr_Odd> yeah it's pretty nutty
[04:36] <freax> man has been charged in glennfield
[04:36] <freax> cigarette butt started the fire /again/
[04:36] <Mr_Odd> =\
[04:37] <freax> 1 1/2 million dollars damage has been done so far, probably from the 2-3 houses damaged /so-far/
[04:37] <Mr_Odd> geez
[04:37] <freax> its officially classed as an amergency
[04:37] <freax> err
[04:37] <freax> heh
[04:41] <freax> human embryos were approved today for use in research
[04:42] <freax> but ivf patients are required to give consent before so
[04:45] <freax> every month im slowly becoming more and more interested in the idea of a pole shift
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[04:52] <freax> ooh
[04:52] <freax> medal of ohnour frontline looks funky
[04:52] <freax> honour rather hehe
[05:02] <freax> i might have to zip em
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[05:02] <freax> they're already compressed in jpg but i dont want to upload 138 images by hand
[05:08] <freax> about 2.5meg
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[05:22] <freax> big ass wind just came up
[05:22] <freax> =P
[05:28] <freax> [3j]
[05:28] <freax> whats the deal on walking out at night in america?
[05:43] <freax> freax.20m.com/feature0.jpg
[05:43] <freax> freax.20m.com/feature1.jpg
[05:43] <freax> freax.20m.com/feature2.jpg
[05:50] <freax> freax.20m.com/fires.zip
[05:50] <freax> damitt
[05:52] <Mr_Odd> ?
[05:52] <freax> file size restrictions =P
[05:59] <freax> whats the max file for 20m.com files?
[05:59] <freax> err filesize
[06:05] <freax> http://freax.20m.com/fires
[06:05] <freax> files 1-130 something
[06:05] <freax> 139
[06:09] <obany> bbl
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[06:24] <freax> lol
[06:24] <freax> david letterman paid indianapolis to make the 465 express his name
[06:24] <freax> a cold 10mil
[06:25] <freax> what a fucking waste =D
[06:29] <freax> is it just me or is this channel dead
[06:29] <juditness> we hate you. :P
[06:29] <freax> i know =(
[06:29] <freax> i talk too much =P
[06:29] <freax> mainly because i havent got a social life
[06:30] <freax> at all
[06:31] <freax> so what happened to the topic?
[06:31] <freax> when is the next nancytalk?
[06:32] * freax pokes juditness with his index finger
[06:34] <freax> what was that? there isnt going to be one?
[06:38] <freax> i was daydreaming about what would happen to my region if this thing got the go, and i made a speech
[06:38] <freax> damn i forgot it
[06:53] <freax> anyway i want to ask a question about rain during the 'period' of 8 hours
[06:54] * raincityAFK is now known as raincity
[06:54] <freax> also, about underground bunkers
[06:55] <freax> and how long it will take for the water to subside
[06:55] <freax> are these questions answered on the website?
[06:55] <freax> hi raincity
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[06:57] <cmel-busy> howdy doodle doo
[06:58] <raincity> it doesn't sound familiar
[06:58] <raincity> do a search on troubled times.
[06:59] <freax> ok
[06:59] <freax> hi cmel
[06:59] <cmel-busy> hi
[06:59] * cmel-busy is now known as cmel
[07:00] <cmel> just a sec, ... brb
[07:03] <cmel> back
[07:04] <freax> mm
[07:04] <freax> juditness told the truth and said everyone hates me =)
[07:05] <Mr_Odd> i like ya
[07:05] <Mr_Odd> heh
[07:05] <freax> bang straight out in public
[07:05] <freax> heh
[07:05] <Mr_Odd> she isn't too fond of you, tho ;p
[07:05] <cmel> well, hhhmm
[07:05] <freax> mmm, i wouldnt mind correcting the reason why...
[07:05] <cmel> what was the reason ?
[07:05] <Mr_Odd> i don't think it's very correctable ;p
[07:06] <freax> talking too much probably
[07:06] <cmel> heh
[07:06] <freax> [01:29] <freax> is it just me or is this channel dead
[07:06] <freax> [01:29] <juditness> we hate you. :P
[07:06] <freax> wasnt specifically her
[07:06] <cmel> hhmm
[07:06] <Mr_Odd> yeah but she doesn't have the power to speak on our behalf ;p
[07:06] <Mr_Odd> she's the one that hates ya
[07:06] <Mr_Odd> not us
[07:07] <freax> heh
[07:07] <cmel> speak for yourself Odd
[07:07] <cmel> :)
[07:07] <Mr_Odd> lol
[07:07] <freax> hehe
[07:07] <cmel> I don't hate, but thats just me :) :(
[07:07] <freax> me either
[07:08] <freax> incapable of hating etc
[07:08] <cmel> yes
[07:09] <freax> cmel: pictures from the fires surrounding sydney and fires around the hunter valley
[07:09] <freax> cmel: http://freax.20m.com/fires/
[07:09] <cmel> ok thx
[07:12] <cmel> just a sec brb 20 sec
[07:12] <cmel> back
[07:12] <cmel> so anything new out there ?
[07:12] <freax> 20seconds on your world is 3 huh?
[07:13] <freax> oh, fires etc
[07:13] <cmel> heh
[07:13] <cmel> it was 19 sec's
[07:13] <freax> ive forgotten what rain looks like...
[07:13] <cmel> thats not good
[07:13] <freax> damn time flys
[07:14] <freax> freax.20m.com/feature0.jpg
[07:14] <freax> freax.20m.com/feature1.jpg
[07:14] <freax> freax.20m.com/feature2.jpg
[07:14] <cmel> what now is that nude pictures of yourself :(
[07:14] <freax> hell no
[07:15] <freax> pics of how much coverage the fire has gotten
[07:15] <cmel> without http:
[07:15] <freax> with
[07:15] <cmel> it's not clickable
[07:15] <freax> dont matter
[07:15] <freax> hmmph, just drag and paste?
[07:16] <freax> http://freax.20m.com/feature0.jpg
[07:16] <cmel> ahh
[07:16] <freax> http://freax.20m.com/feature1.jpg
[07:16] <freax> http://freax.20m.com/feature2.jpg
[07:16] <freax> there
[07:16] <freax> =P
[07:16] <cmel> don't be mad about it :)
[07:16] <freax> im incapable of the nonsense
[07:16] <raincity> looks like your air is real bad.
[07:17] <cmel> ok :)
[07:17] <freax> aint my air =P
[07:17] <cmel> good for you, bad for others :(
[07:17] <freax> usually the sydney air is pretty ok
[07:18] <freax> but not this christmas
[07:18] <cmel> I myself wouldn't mind living in Australia :)
[07:18] <freax> mmm
[07:19] <cmel> it's a good place to live
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[07:19] <cmel> hi phoam
[07:19] <freax> the things you've got to worry about though is fraud, education, healthcare, insurance problems
[07:19] <phoam> ahah! z
[07:19] <phoam> z
[07:19] <z> yes, phoam?
[07:19] <phoam> z, download
[07:19] <z> phoam: i'm not following you...
[07:19] <phoam> z, website
[07:19] <z> phoam: huh?
[07:19] <phoam> hmmm
[07:19] <freax> z, eat
[07:19] <z> freax: i'm not following you...
[07:19] <cmel> ok, that sounds bad freax
[07:19] <phoam> dang it
[07:20] <phoam> where was z downloaded
[07:20] <phoam> z, about
[07:20] <z> phoam: i'm not following you...
[07:20] <phoam> z, info
[07:20] <z> phoam: what?
[07:20] <cmel> hehe
[07:20] <freax> ask [3j]
[07:20] <phoam> z, where can i download
[07:20] <z> phoam: wish i knew
[07:20] <freax> he's the owner
[07:20] <phoam> ...
[07:20] <phoam> there is a trigger for him to say the website
[07:20] <freax> from what i know
[07:20] <freax> z, web
[07:20] <z> freax: what?
[07:20] <freax> z, info
[07:20] <z> freax: excuse me?
[07:20] <cmel> [C]: strange guy phoam is !!
[07:20] <freax> z, version
[07:20] <z> freax: i'm not following you...
[07:20] <freax> [C]: quite
[07:21] <phoam> what is that?
[07:21] <z> hmmm... that is just plain crap.. that Bush is a shapeshifter etc
[07:21] <cmel> what ??
[07:21] <freax> [C]: then again, a curious person
[07:21] <phoam> ???
[07:21] <cmel> [C]: I guess
[07:21] <phoam> is that a certain language?
[07:21] <phoam> lol
[07:21] <cmel> yes
[07:21] <cmel> lol
[07:22] <raincity> looks like encryption.
[07:22] <phoam> yea
[07:22] <phoam> maybe they are using foreign keyboards
[07:22] <raincity> more like encryption plug-in.
[07:22] <phoam> oh
[07:23] <freax> yeah, plugin keyboard adaptors
[07:23] <freax> usb based
[07:23] <raincity> lol
[07:23] <cmel> yes well, I'm running linux zeta gold edition 'tm
[07:23] <freax> hehe
[07:23] <freax> wouldnt mind a copy of that on dvd myself
[07:23] <phoam> i don't know if your being serious or not because i've never heard of it heh
[07:23] <cmel> ok whats your adr ?
[07:23] <raincity> [C]: the code has been compromised.
[07:24] <freax> [C]: which code?
[07:24] <cmel> [C]: it has
[07:24] <raincity> [C]: this one.
[07:24] <freax> [C]: how can it be comprimised?
[07:24] <cmel> then lets change the key
[07:24] <phoam> hey 3J
[07:24] <phoam> where did you get that bot?
[07:24] <freax> [C]: i dont think its been comprimised =P
[07:24] <raincity> [C]: everyone seems to have it.
[07:24] <freax> [C]: maybe if you told someone raincity
[07:25] <phoam> that's like 128bit encryption
[07:25] <raincity> [C]: no, everyone told me.
[07:25] <cmel> [C]: I was let in on this by some of you guys
[07:25] <phoam> z, bot
[07:25] <z> phoam: sorry...
[07:25] <raincity> [C]: I've only been around a few days...
[07:25] <phoam> z, where
[07:25] <z> no idea, phoam
[07:25] <phoam> z, information
[07:25] <z> phoam: excuse me?
[07:25] <phoam> z, source
[07:25] <z> phoam: huh?
[07:25] <phoam> z, get
[07:25] <z> phoam: i'm not following you...
[07:25] <phoam> z, command
[07:25] <z> phoam: sorry...
[07:26] <freax> [C]: raincity are you the one related to someone starting with i?
[07:26] <raincity> [C]: I'm not related to anyone around here...that I know of.
[07:26] <freax> [C]: then how did you get this ?
[07:26] <raincity> [C]: some members of the other channel have it.
[07:26] <cmel> [C]: I know that jurian coded this :)
[07:26] <freax> [C]: shush cmel
[07:27] <freax> [C]: you just opened a door
[07:27] <cmel> [C]: ok
[07:27] <phoam> z, home
[07:27] <z> phoam: excuse me?
[07:27] <freax> [C]: =P
[07:27] <freax> [C]: what other channel? #troubled_times_crypto?
[07:27] <phoam> damn you z bot!
[07:27] <raincity> [C]: poleshiftdiscussion
[07:27] <phoam> z
[07:27] <z> phoam?
[07:27] <freax> [C]: what the FUCK
[07:28] <freax> [C]: poleshiftdiscussion has no relation to my channel or jurians crypto script
[07:28] <raincity> It's hard to keep a secret for long
[07:28] <freax> [C]: no, it can be kept for eternity
[07:28] <raincity> [C]: Tied2 has it.
[07:28] <freax> raincity
[07:28] <freax> i have changed the key
[07:28] <freax> you are locked out
[07:29] <raincity> cool.
[07:29] <raincity> I don't want to know the secrets.
[07:29] <freax> very well =)
[07:30] <freax> [C]: _B®bþ%L
[07:30] <freax> [C]: nuÆ"8eÀY]8GÕ'Çä§GŒŸ¦
´¡ ü
[07:32] <freax> Mr_Odd
[07:32] <freax> private
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[07:42] * Looking up Mr_Odd user info...
[07:50] <juditness> he's away
[07:50] <juditness> =P
[07:50] <freax> mmm, napping
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[07:51] <cmel> hi paul29
[07:52] <Pauli29> hi
[07:52] <cmel> sorry pauli29
[07:52] <freax> hi Pauli29
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[07:52] * Looking up Cypherium user info...
[07:52] <phoam> that's my bot
[07:52] <freax> i see
[07:52] * Looking up phoam user info...
[07:52] <phoam> trying to figure out how to use them now.. heh
[07:53] <phoam> in code
[07:53] <cmel> heh
[07:54] <phoam> !ping
[07:55] <freax> !ping
[07:55] <ChanServ> freax: Pong!
[07:55] <cmel> unping
[07:56] <freax> !longpong
[07:56] <Cypherium> heh unping?
[07:56] * Looking up jetsomeflight user info...
[07:57] <cmel> yes unping
[07:57] <cmel> hehe
[07:57] <phoam> hrmmm
[07:57] <cmel> its undoing the previois ping
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[07:58] <phoam> oh
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[07:58] <Zetapal> hey
[07:58] <phoam> dang
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[07:59] <Cypherium> phoam is now Master operator of the famous Yourbot IRC Bot.
[07:59] <phoam> now everyone knows!
[07:59] <phoam> shhh!
[07:59] <phoam> lol
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[08:00] <phoam> I wonder what would happen if a bot was its own master..
[08:01] <raincity> How about a bot controlling another bot, which is controlling another bot.
[08:01] <JurAFK> erm, can we please not make this bot city?
[08:01] <JurAFK> funbot and Z is quite enough :p
[08:01] <phoam> well i made him quit
[08:01] <cmel> heh
[08:01] <phoam> he's in another chan
[08:01] <phoam> :)
[08:01] <JurAFK> that's fine :)
[08:02] * cmel smiles in a bot like fashion
[08:02] <phoam> hehe
[08:02] * freax puts on a metallic grin
[08:02] <cmel> hehe
[08:03] * Looking up jetsomeflight user info...
[08:06] * cmel says if they only knew, heh
[08:07] <freax> too bad if you're made out of titanium
[08:07] * raincity is now known as raincityAFK
[08:07] <freax> go down with the titanic
[08:07] <cmel> haha
[08:08] * cmel says been there, done that ....
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[08:24] <cmel> [C]: C7 Œü»X™
[08:25] <cmel> hi
[08:25] <z> niihau, cmel
[08:25] <cmel> whats up
[08:25] <freax> z, whats oh nothing much
[08:25] <z> freax: wish i knew
[08:26] <cmel> heh
[08:26] <freax> z, whatsup oh nothing much
[08:26] <z> freax: what?
[08:27] * freax sticks an orb cooler on z's head and turns the lil-bastard on
[08:27] * freax watches as z instantly freezes over
[08:29] <freax> isnt it funny how the water on z's world has a freezing point equal to 25centigrade
[08:29] * cmel shivers
[08:29] <cmel> heh
[08:31] <cmel> nice I only whish it was 37 centigrade
[08:31] <cmel> hehe
[08:31] <freax> think its around 30 here ambient
[08:31] <freax> had the fan on all day
[08:32] <cmel> ok
[08:32] <cmel> out in the outback ?
[08:32] <freax> no =P
[08:33] <freax> northern sydney
[08:33] <freax> it was classed as outback 40 years ago though
[08:33] <freax> =P
[08:33] <cmel> close to the fires
[08:33] <cmel> heh
[08:33] <freax> not here, but we have our own fires
[08:33] <freax> there are a couple up in the mountaintops
[08:33] <cmel> hhmm
[08:34] <freax> what im worried about is metro sydney
[08:34] <cmel> hope they get put down
[08:34] <cmel> why ?
[08:34] <freax> because of all of the fires outside sydney's south/west/north
[08:35] <freax> and the one in sydney metro outskirts not 10km's away from city centre
[08:35] <cmel> why don't you make firebelts around every rural area
[08:36] <cmel> ?
[08:36] <freax> well for one thing
[08:36] <freax> we dont even know what a firebelt is
[08:36] <freax> you mean backburning?
[08:38] <cmel> well a piece of land where there is no undergrowth and no trees and no bushes, that surrounds the land on which there are houses
[08:46] <freax> ahh i see
[08:46] <freax> well they never bothered
[08:46] <cmel> hhmm
[08:46] <freax> there hasnt been any backburning at all either
[08:46] <freax> no maintenance on burning off some of the trees has been done
[08:46] <cmel> thats stupid, sorry I say that but hhmm
[08:46] <freax> its being blamed on council negligence
[08:46] <freax> thats ok
[08:47] <freax> australia is stupid
[08:47] <cmel> hehe
[08:47] <freax> well most parts of it
[08:48] * cmel is nervous about aussies not doing enough
[08:49] <freax> their opinion on everything is "nah we will be alright"
[08:49] <freax> until something happens then they run around trying to fix it
[08:50] <freax> that notion is rediculously well known to be in the countrys polititions
[08:50] <cmel> someone has to die before things get done
[08:50] <freax> err
[08:50] <freax> people have already died, countless times
[08:50] <freax> not just in fires
[08:50] <cmel> why hasen't things got done ??
[08:51] <cmel> I would be outraged
[08:51] <freax> train derailments, motor vehicle accidents related to truckies and poor road maitenance
[08:51] <freax> people are already fucking outraged
[08:51] <cmel> damn
[08:51] <cmel> thats bad
[08:52] <freax> let me see if i can get some protest files up
[08:52] <cmel> I mean your paying tax, and what do you get back, poorly maintained roads and railtracks and whatever
[09:00] <freax> http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/communications/story/0,2000024993,20266072,00.htm
[09:00] <freax> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/apr2002/demo-a23.shtml
[09:00] <freax> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,5479067%255E1702,00.html
[09:01] <freax> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1920000/1920488.stm
[09:01] <freax> http://www.icem.org/update/upd1999/upd99-72.html
[09:02] <freax> http://www.teshreen.com/syriatimes/s-su/po004.htm
[09:02] <freax> http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9705/04/hanson/
[09:02] <freax> all of those are seperate protests
[09:02] <freax> http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/transcripts/transcripts02/woomprotest_300302.htm
[09:03] <freax> http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/021101/73/2tvj6.html
[09:03] <freax> http://www.ilwu19.com/global/wharfie/uspro.htm
[09:07] <freax> http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,5437553%5E8362,00.html
[09:09] <freax> http://www.unb.ca/bruns/9900/issue25/intnews/olympics.html
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[09:09] <DRGREEN> hello all.
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[09:12] <freax> hi
[09:13] <cmel> hello
[09:13] <z> privet, cmel
[09:14] <cmel> go ahead z
[09:14] <freax> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~rakali/protest.html
[09:15] <freax> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~rakali/myo.html
[09:16] <freax> While most of the population go about their lives, focused on football, meatpies and whatever car or fashion takes their fancy, the Broadcasting Services Online Amendment goes equally quietly about its work, closing the mouths and web sites of Australians who wanted their opinions or interests privately published on web pages.
[09:16] <cmel> yes
[09:16] <freax> Still, most people are unaware of the definition of ratings classification in this country and the fine line between taking down a site showing off some woman's boobs and taking down a site showing off some woman's opinion on politics, abortion or drug use.
[09:16] <freax> Political opinion can be classified as "Adult Content" and ruled R Restricted classification. We have no First Amendment, nothing else either to protect our freedom of speech in this country. Political control of privately published material online is censorship of which Hitler and Stalin would have been proud.
[09:17] <cmel> yes the world is becomming a policestate :(
[09:17] <freax> There's enough money to pay out Mal Colston, Paul Keating and Bill O'Chee, but not enough money to properly equip the police forces, schools and mental health systems, which could be doing something practical about "Saving the Children (TM)".
[09:18] <freax> well in our case
[09:18] <freax> we have real no good police force
[09:18] <cmel> yes, I hear you
[09:21] <cmel> well those things are not just happening down under, it's global :(
[09:22] <freax> mmm
[09:22] <freax> like in east-timor
[09:22] <freax> a fuckload of violence happening over there right now
[09:23] <cmel> US is putting pressure on every country, to do that :(
[09:23] <freax> mmm, the usa is doing some squeesing
[09:23] <cmel> US is acting like a world leader
[09:24] <cmel> bummer
[09:24] <freax> The Australian Liberal Party have ignored everyone who has stood up and opposed or questioned this Act. They ignored their own CSIRO report about the Internet and censorship. They have ignored IT Industry professsionals who are in danger of losing their jobs because of the cost of compliance.
[09:25] <cmel> yes, that sounds like they prepare for martial law !!!
[09:25] <freax> quite
[09:26] <freax> which is what im so fucking scared about
[09:26] <cmel> me too
[09:26] <freax> me and my parents are planing on moving, out west
[09:26] <cmel> do so quickly
[09:26] <freax> well not just yet
[09:26] <cmel> and then dig in
[09:26] <freax> until i see planetx with ither my mini-radio scope or an optical scope ill stay put
[09:27] <cmel> well it's going to be bad soon, either way
[09:27] <cmel> :(
[09:28] <freax> mmm
[09:28] <freax> fires/drought etc
[09:29] <cmel> yes something like that +
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[09:31] <cmel> hi cow n red
[09:31] * ShadowCow waves
[09:31] <Red> Hey cmel
[09:31] <freax> think ill be doing some visits to the car wreckers to make some windmills soon if this weather continues
[09:32] <freax> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~rakali/tax.html
[09:32] <cmel> hey
[09:32] <freax> A family earning $40k, which is about the average income, pays about $5k more tax per year if that income comes from one person. The ATO considers that money to be one person's income, not the family's. But Centrelink considers it to be the family's income.
[09:32] <ShadowCow> We got plans for a 10 foot windmill drawn up. :)
[09:32] <freax> hehehe
[09:33] <freax> big ass monster then =D
[09:33] <freax> got a gearbox in it?
[09:33] <freax> In recent months, we've seen the number of new jobs available for Australians increase. You would expect that the numbers of unemployed would reduce. They haven't. It has been shown time and time again that most of these new jobs, particularly part time and casual jobs, have gone to people who already have a partner working. This is because the taxation system is biased against traditional families.
[09:33] <ShadowCow> That's a short one. Most of the ones i see here are 30-40 feet tall.
[09:33] <cmel> hhmm, any chance it's danish
[09:33] <freax> yeah, i know
[09:33] <freax> wouldnt mind one of those kW generators myself =D
[09:33] <ShadowCow> My 10 year old is enamored of things electric.
[09:33] <freax> the large commercial tower ones
[09:34] <freax> scared?
[09:34] <freax> hehe
[09:34] <cmel> hehe
[09:34] <cmel> yep
[09:34] <freax> what are you gonna tarnish the blade with?
[09:34] <freax> bees wax?
[09:34] <cmel> so shadow ?
[09:35] <freax> or bees schellac
[09:35] <ShadowCow> There was a guy somewhere you build a water wheel with a squirrel cage blower, a couple old DC motors from tape drives and was putting out 50 watts to his array
[09:35] <freax> array?
[09:35] <freax> you mean his battery bank
[09:35] <cmel> 50 watts is not much :(
[09:35] <freax> that isnt much at all =D
[09:35] <ShadowCow> I figured some kind of paint. I'm not that far into the game yet. // Yes, battery array.
[09:36] <freax> 300watts is something to be reckoned with
[09:36] <freax> think ill stop pasting now
[09:36] <ShadowCow> 50 watts will power a lot of things, actually. You just can't run your computer with it ;)
[09:36] <freax> mmm
[09:36] <freax> yes it can
[09:36] <freax> a few low votage lights for a few hours
[09:36] <freax> a tv maybe
[09:36] <freax> small tv
[09:36] <ShadowCow> Or my bread machine, but I can build a beehive oven in about 4 hours that works better anyway.
[09:36] <freax> small fridge
[09:37] <freax> small motors
[09:37] <freax> my playstation 2
[09:37] <freax> a fan
[09:37] <freax> but isnt much
[09:37] <freax> beehive oven?
[09:37] <freax> isnt that a little stingy?
[09:37] <ShadowCow> Stingy?
[09:38] <cmel> well have your children cycle on your generator and you can run a heater/microwave
[09:38] <ShadowCow> Why bother?
[09:38] <freax> Some 800,000 Australians are called upon by the CSA to pay very high child support payments, because the government doesn't have enough money for "bludgers". They do, however have enough money for a 25% pay rise for MPs and parliamentary superannuation which they can access well before retirement age.
[09:38] <freax> damn i said i wasnt gonna paste no more
[09:38] <freax> err
[09:38] <freax> cycling 2400-4800 watts? i dont think so buddie =P
[09:38] <Red> tough habit to kick ;)
[09:38] <ShadowCow> Microwaves are conveniences, not essential.
[09:38] <freax> probably get about 10-30watts tops
[09:39] <freax> mmm
[09:39] <freax> but damn quick =)
[09:39] <ShadowCow> Depends on the number of batteries in the array.
[09:39] <freax> well you cant exactly feed off of the array all the time now can you/
[09:39] <freax> just remember no matter how much power you put into a battery you only get 75% out of it again
[09:40] <freax> not to mention line loss
[09:40] <freax> conversion efficiency
[09:40] <ShadowCow> That's why trickle charging is such a wonderous thing. Plus, there are times when you don't need to draw anything on the system.
[09:40] <freax> you'd get a couple of hours use out of a microwave in a 400amp 240 volt battery array
[09:40] <freax> wtf
[09:40] <freax> trickle charging?
[09:40] <freax> hahah
[09:41] <freax> those batterys store what like 5 amps in 12volts!?
[09:41] <ShadowCow> Who needs the microwave? You'd have to have a fairly expensive invertor to run it/
[09:41] <freax> meg
[09:41] <freax> meh
[09:41] <freax> we're not discussing that =)
[09:41] <freax> anymore at least
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[09:42] <ShadowCow> 1 amp at 12 volts. To do anything with it in the common home, you'd need to invert 12 volts to 110.
[09:42] <freax> i wouldnt mind putting a couple of 450 amp 12 truck batterys in the shed and running them off of a cleaned 300 watt windmill
[09:42] <freax> erm
[09:42] <freax> inverters require a fuckload of amperage even for a 500 watt 'inverter'
[09:43] <freax> you'd need about 20 or 50 1amp batterys before you could run an inverter at 110
[09:43] <ShadowCow> The amount of wattage you can draw depends on the number of batteries in the array and whether they are arranged in series or parallel.
[09:43] <freax> exactly
[09:43] <ShadowCow> Not true, freax.
[09:43] <freax> and how long do small amperage batterys last?
[09:43] * freax does the figures
[09:44] <ShadowCow> I have a 230 watt invertor sitting under my desk and you might have one too.
[09:44] <ShadowCow> Inverting from 12 volts to 110, as a matter of fact.
[09:44] <freax> no, ive got a 500 watt inverter sitting under my desk in the shed
[09:44] <freax> =)
[09:44] <ShadowCow> What do you think an UPS is, man?
[09:45] <freax> filtering and adding a sinewave/squarewave to the primary of a 12volt/240volt toroid coil to generate 240volts AC
[09:45] <freax> not inverting
[09:45] <freax> err
[09:45] <freax> an inverter and a couple of silly little batterys, man
[09:45] <freax> actually
[09:45] <ShadowCow> It is. When the power is drawn from my UPS, it converts 12 volt to 110.
[09:46] <freax> its a trip switch inverter
[09:46] <freax> well i dont know about that
[09:46] <freax> it might be 36volts or 24bolts
[09:46] <ShadowCow> You can still use it for the purpose.
[09:46] <freax> err volts
[09:46] <freax> not really
[09:46] <ShadowCow> freax, I have the case open on my desk. I know what's in it.
[09:46] <freax> UPS's are designed for short operating times, their reliability are second to last against a real inverter
[09:47] <freax> oh shut the hell up
[09:47] <freax> =P
[09:47] <freax> are you an electrician?
[09:47] <ShadowCow> I have an EE sitting behind me looking at the UPS as well.
[09:47] <freax> electrical engineer, cute
[09:48] <freax> hi there from australia =)
[09:48] * freax waves
[09:48] <freax> this guy seems to make out a macho like attitude towards his knowledge about inverters and UPS devices
[09:48] <ShadowCow> Who?
[09:48] <freax> a UPS sure could probably be used for a pernament base on operating a few lights
[09:48] <freax> but not for long probably
[09:48] <freax> just remember ShadowCow
[09:49] <freax> they are rated to operate at UP TO 30-60mins etc
[09:49] <ShadowCow> Of course, freax. You're the expert... *snort*
[09:49] <freax> of course
[09:49] <freax> i do my best =)
[09:49] <freax> but the simple thing is
[09:49] <freax> its a fucking expensive inverter =P
[09:49] <ShadowCow> Most of the problem is heat dissipation.
[09:50] <ShadowCow> One of the things that i love about people like you is that rather than encourage the average Joe to see what they can do, you sit in your armchair and tell them why they can't. This really doesn't help anyone.
[09:51] <freax> specially if you're gonna buy it simply for the purpose of pulling it apart and whacking it on your battery array without any diode protection or voltage regulation, etc, just remember you'd have to re-design the entire charging circuitry of your UPS there so as to run off of a higher load
[09:51] <ShadowCow> It's not a new purchase.
[09:51] <freax> wait for your smark remarks sparky
[09:51] <freax> im doing it now
[09:51] <freax> oh how convenient
[09:52] <freax> so you're going to dismiss my comments just because your UPS isnt a new purchase?
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[09:52] <ShadowCow> I don't care. I'll happily experiment and learn something. Thats' the point of the exercise.
[09:52] <cmel> see you
[09:53] <freax> are you at some educational facility?
[09:53] <ShadowCow> Why does it matter?
[09:53] <cmel> later
[09:53] <freax> well no reason =P
[09:53] <freax> i just wanted some of your knowhow on windmill construction
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[09:54] <freax> but then this UPS discussion on how its just an inverter with a couple of batterys plopped in and how it can do all of these wonderful charging abilities struck me as stupid
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[09:54] <freax> mmm SOF2 rocks =)
[09:55] <freax> mainly because you havent provided any real point on how you're going to pay for another UPS after you've overloaded the trickle charge circuitry with immense negative dc load
[09:55] <freax> *snort*
[09:56] <ShadowCow> Struck you as stupid? That's all this UPS is. It has circuits to detect loss of AC and switch over to battery and back. It's solid state. The big issue on run time is battery capacity, and then making sure there is enough heat dissipation off the transformers.
[09:56] <freax> you mean the regulators too? you arent going to cool them aswell/
[09:57] <freax> so you're intentionally /overdriving/ a UPS design so to run it full time or longer than 30-60mins
[09:57] <freax> by simply cooling it
[09:57] <freax> and hoping all is well
[09:57] <freax> riight
[09:58] <ShadowCow> I'm going to go play with electricity now. Don't let me disrupt your tirade, now.
[09:58] <freax> you do realise that the circuitry that trips it over to 240 backup is probably very susceptible to long term operation
[09:58] <freax> gee you'd have to cool that too
[09:58] <freax> the little IC's aswell
[09:59] <freax> specially all the ones who are rated at what was it again? 1amps?
[09:59] <freax> you arent simply going to get a higher rating 'inverter' out of this you know
[10:00] <ShadowCow> freax: That's not the goal. It's a 230 watt invertor.
[10:00] <ShadowCow> So, you don't put more than 230 watts on it. That's simple math and reading, last I checked.
[10:00] <freax> and you also know that if it is a cheap japanese product that has no or limited overload protection will also probably dead short your battery banks
[10:00] <ShadowCow> So?
[10:00] <z> i think So is that dood from home alone
[10:00] <freax> of course it is
[10:01] <freax> so you're being sarcastic and not giving me pics of this wonderous rip off of someone elses idea that i seen on some hardware review site earlier this month
[10:01] <ShadowCow> So we burn up a UPS with a dead battery that was cheaper to replace outright than get new batteries for. What is the problem with it, other than it apparently isn't 1337 enough.
[10:01] <freax> not that it isnt overly needing discovery
[10:03] <ShadowCow> It's not a wonderous anything. It's a science experiment and engineering project for a kid. Not much to tell about it.
[10:03] <ShadowCow> Unless you're somehow anti-engineering, science, experimentation.
[10:03] <freax> are you going to monitor voltage per battery?
[10:04] <freax> cause if you dont you can overcharge and undercharge seperate batterys completely by random and cause an explosion if not proplerly taken cared of
[10:04] <freax> and or a leak
[10:04] <freax> etc
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[10:04] <ShadowCow> So what is your problem here?
[10:05] <freax> there isnt any problem, im saying you might blow it up
[10:05] <QueenVee> LOL -- has anybody checked out www.skepticalmind.com lately?
[10:05] <freax> instead of going down to wallmart and buying an inverter with the proper stuff
[10:05] <ShadowCow> You can blow up your car the same way when your voltage regulator goes out. Nothing new to report.
[10:06] <freax> i hope you arent going to tell everyone here and make this a way to get useful closeto-mains electrical power out of 12volt 1-5amp batterys?
[10:06] <QueenVee> Sapphire has listed in MOTHER in the ZetaTalk "Players" section....
[10:06] <freax> thats all im worried about ShadowCow =)
[10:06] <QueenVee> correction: Sapphire has listed MY MOTHER in the ZetaTalk "Players" section....
[10:07] <ShadowCow> freax: I'm not the one with the fantasy about running my microvave off a bike generated array.
[10:07] <freax> ShadowCow: err that wasnt me you fuckwitt that was cmel
[10:07] <freax> ShadowCow: i was the one who fucking told him it wasnt possible
[10:09] <ShadowCow> We're not talking about running the house. We're talking stone knives and bearskins in terms of tech.
[10:09] <freax> ShadowCow: dont you fucking ever make a statement like that again in public without backing it up with copy/paste from buffer
[10:09] <ShadowCow> freax: Don't leap on me
[10:09] <freax> hehe
[10:09] <freax> mmm
[10:10] <freax> i understand your bearskin situation, low resources etc
[10:10] <freax> but you can make even a very powerful watervane from a couple of trees and coils you wound yourself
[10:10] <ShadowCow> It's an engineering project. You only get out of it what you put into it.
[10:10] <freax> we arent going back to tincan communication and home hobby project ways of making electricity after the poleshift
[10:11] <freax> i see
[10:11] <freax> one of your personal projects =)
[10:11] <freax> very well
[10:12] <freax> [04:35] <ShadowCow> There was a guy somewhere you build a water wheel with a squirrel cage blower, a couple old DC motors from tape drives and was putting out 50 watts to his array
[10:12] <freax> figured i thought that was just silly
[10:12] <freax> 50 watts come on
[10:13] <freax> sure 24 hours a day running water to pump 50watts into a battery bank
[10:13] <ShadowCow> I have a link to that somewhere. It too, was an experiment in seeing what you coudl get from things laying around the house.
[10:13] <freax> can be useful
[10:13] <freax> but, it can only be useful for a short period of time
[10:14] <freax> which is wasteful especially for the amount of money and space you'd need inorder to make a useful sized battery bank to get anything useful out of the 50 watt generator
[10:14] <ShadowCow> If you haven't gotten used to life with a very limited supply of juice within days after it goes out, you're screwed.
[10:14] <freax> umm
[10:14] <freax> wood is laying around
[10:14] <freax> nails are laying around
[10:14] <freax> hammers, cable, tools
[10:14] <freax> theres plenty of forrests out there
[10:14] <ShadowCow> If, as we see with people like cmel, they think only in terms of their microwaves and other conveniences, they are going to be hurting.
[10:15] <freax> you mean metro areas?
[10:15] <freax> oh i see
[10:15] <freax> metro areas
[10:15] <freax> cant see any running streams around there
[10:15] <ShadowCow> This guy built his thing with a fallen log and cast off parts from other things.
[10:15] <freax> i should think by the time you made 50watts from a simple generator that you could have built something much larger
[10:16] <ShadowCow> Maybe, maybe not.
[10:16] <ShadowCow> If you're scratching the dirt to grow food, maybe not.
[10:16] <freax> hehe
[10:16] <freax> if you're scratching the fucking dirt for food you wouldnt want a care of electricity to run your tent light
[10:17] <freax> its a good idea
[10:17] <ShadowCow> I'd care about it to run my well pump.
[10:17] <freax> got the url?
[10:17] <freax> erm
[10:17] <ShadowCow> I can't find it. My buddy is going to resend.
[10:17] <freax> a 50watt pump, pulling up water a few hundred feet?
[10:17] <freax> dont think so
[10:17] <ShadowCow> I didn't specify wattage on that project.
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[10:17] <freax> although
[10:18] <freax> if the well is very high then yes
[10:18] <freax> but where would you find a well, let alone be able to construct or dig one
[10:18] <ShadowCow> You connected the result of one man's experiment with my thought on generating power for a well pump.
[10:18] <freax> let alone use a water generator when you can eaisily get the water from the running stream
[10:18] <freax> instead of the well
[10:19] <ShadowCow> freax: I have a well in my back yard. Submersible pump.
[10:19] <freax> well, yes
[10:19] <freax> so?
[10:19] <z> so is that dood from home alone
[10:19] <freax> how many watts is it?
[10:19] <freax> 700watts? 300watts?
[10:19] <ShadowCow> And if push comes to big shoves, gods help us we can use brand new fuel pumps from cars, which run on 12v
[10:20] <freax> not if its a mechanical pump
[10:20] <ShadowCow> I haven't looked at the wattage for the pump.
[10:20] <freax> where would you get such power, considering you'd have to dig a well before you'd be able to drag up water from it
[10:20] <ShadowCow> If the well exists.....
[10:20] <freax> then it would have moved from all of the ground subsidence and shrunk up
[10:21] <freax> no water there buddie
[10:21] <freax> only dirt
[10:21] <ShadowCow> If it did, you're screwed. Your point?
[10:21] <freax> i dont have the point =)
[10:21] <freax> you do
[10:22] <ShadowCow> I mean, we can sit here and talk about everything that can possibly go wrong, and I can think of a lot of problems that would kill progress, but that's NOT my point. It seems to be yours.
[10:22] <freax> there is no point =)
[10:22] <freax> you're dribbling
[10:22] <freax> i believe there was a topic
[10:22] <ShadowCow> I think the dribbling was coming from you.
[10:23] <freax> go and take a look at how much wattage each required appliance you would need after the poleshift
[10:23] <freax> lights, 20watts
[10:23] <freax> each
[10:23] <freax> water pump, 700 watts each
[10:23] <ShadowCow> Of which, light bulbs are probably the MOST abusive. 60 watts if you actually want to see anything.
[10:23] <freax> radio, 2-5 watts
[10:24] <freax> erm, no im talking about light saving fluroescent globes
[10:24] <freax> they take 20watts and give out the equilivant 60 watts of light
[10:24] <ShadowCow> A lot of people will have incandescents
[10:24] <freax> yes, they will
[10:24] <freax> not much useful power
[10:24] <ShadowCow> So figure 60.
[10:25] <freax> mmm, most common
[10:25] <freax> let say you were in a camp
[10:25] <freax> you wanted to power one globe for 3 hours
[10:25] <ShadowCow> Then I wouldn't have this generator rig. I'd be camping in a tent.
[10:25] <freax> so that would require 110 or 240 volts
[10:25] <freax> at 60watts
[10:25] <freax> or a generator
[10:25] <freax> which requires petrol?
[10:26] <freax> so that means you'd need a petrol powered generator running for that 3 hours
[10:26] <freax> OR
[10:26] <freax> 9 hours of 50 watt generator work
[10:26] <ShadowCow> You'd have to decide what provides the most bang for the labor it takes to produce it.
[10:26] <freax> for 3 hours work of 60watt globe light
[10:26] <freax> that is if you wanted to run it off of an inverter
[10:27] <freax> and a battery, which is required for an inverter
[10:27] <ShadowCow> That may be a more salient point, since I'm betting half these people have no idea how much electricty they are drawing right now.
[10:27] <freax> salient?
[10:27] <ShadowCow> But I need to take the kids sledding.
[10:27] <freax> how convenient
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[10:28] <miguel> hello
[10:28] <z> niihau, miguel
[10:28] <freax> go, have fun, take a look at the rating of that water well pump btw
[10:28] <freax> hi miguel
[10:28] <miguel> hi freax and z
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[10:28] <ShadowCow> I have 8 inches of snow onthe ground outside and it might be the only one we get this year. Taking the kids into sled is more important than this conversation.
[10:28] <freax> no it isnt
[10:28] <ShadowCow> Sorry, that is life.
[10:28] <freax> the kids can sled themselves
[10:29] <freax> if you wanted to make an ego trip in here then you've got to add up to your fact
[10:29] <loitus> Ilene Gruden?
[10:30] <freax> if you wanted to simply dipp in and whack freax around a bit then you have no jurisdiction in this discussion, especially when it comes to electricity
[10:30] * FunBot sets mode: +l 33
[10:30] <freax> then again i dont think that was your motive =)
[10:30] <ShadowCow> Get a life, freax. I don't have to live my life chained to debates on this channel. No one does, not even to amuse you.
[10:30] <freax> !kick ShadowCow go, sledding you old hag
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[10:30] <freax> ooh how shocking
[10:30] <freax> im surprised at you freax
[10:30] <ShadowCow> How mature.
[10:30] * loitus spanks freax, bad aussie..
[10:31] <freax> hehe
[10:31] <freax> quite, i bet you are too
[10:31] <freax> being 50 and all
[10:31] <freax> are you 50?
[10:31] <freax> or more?
[10:31] <ShadowCow> I'm not even close to 50.
[10:31] <freax> hey that rhymes, how convenient
[10:31] <loitus> 85?
[10:31] <z> somebody said 85 was wantable
[10:31] <freax> mmm
[10:31] <ShadowCow> Not even 40. Shocking.
[10:31] <Zetapal> yes you do SC - say why don't you come over to psd and do some chatting, oh sorry, have you burned that bridge already?
[10:31] <freax> well you're older than me at least
[10:31] <loitus> 39?
[10:32] <freax> mainly because you're so fucking arrogant =D
[10:32] <freax> i love it
[10:32] <QueenVee> loitus: here's an email i sent to Sapphire (Mike Vegas) today:
[10:32] <QueenVee> Hey Mike: Thanks for immortalizing my mother -- Ilene Gruden -- on your website. (My internet account is in her name.) Unfortunately, neither she nor her 65 year-old-plus friends surf the net, and therefore will not be able to enjoy her notoriety. Nonetheless, I'm certainly enjoying the humour of it. Thanks for continuing to keep me (and others) entertained with your peculiar obssession....
[10:32] <freax> QueenVee: are you living at your old moms house?
[10:32] <loitus> So.. it is your home address though, since you live with your mom?
[10:32] <freax> i see
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[10:33] <freax> home is nice
[10:33] <freax> good food etc
[10:33] <freax> good company
[10:33] <QueenVee> freax: i am indeed; have been staying with her while she is recovering from lung surgery
[10:33] <freax> old hags telling you to clean up yor room
[10:33] <loitus> Cancer?
[10:33] <QueenVee> yes, cancer
[10:33] <freax> too much smoking eh?
[10:33] <loitus> I've just gotten pneumonia... sucks
[10:34] <freax> my fathers mother died of lung cancer, aswell as 2 other relatives of other diseases in the past 12 months
[10:34] <freax> he's ... doing fine
[10:34] <freax> not
[10:34] <QueenVee> my mother is recovering nicely
[10:34] <freax> mmm
[10:34] <freax> my father has taken up heavy tobacco
[10:35] <loitus> Not light tobacco?
[10:35] <freax> to fight the chronic back pain he gets after that car crash in early 1990
[10:35] <freax> s
[10:35] <freax> not anymore
[10:35] <freax> really disgusting shit
[10:35] <loitus> hmm
[10:35] <freax> smells like horseshit
[10:35] <freax> =P
[10:35] <QueenVee> loitus: in answer to your question about my home address -- Sapphire shows me living in toronto, yet if you do a "whois" on my name, my internet provider is clearly in London, Ontario -- so does that make sense to you?
[10:35] <loitus> mmm horseshit
[10:36] <loitus> Well, your provider doesn't need to be down the street..
[10:36] <freax> hehe, mmm
[10:36] <freax> i for example
[10:36] <freax> can get american pansat satellite internet access
[10:36] <freax> and pretend im in california =)
[10:36] <ShadowCow> Actually it is possible to have Toronto POPs routed through London, but you're consistently from the same IP ranges so it's less likely.
[10:36] <freax> that is if i was using a business name that is
[10:36] <QueenVee> well, whatever. anybody knocking on that address's door won't find either me OR my mother there
[10:37] <loitus> Damn
[10:37] <freax> no chance in hell for an australian private residential payer to get 2-way overseas satellite internet access
[10:37] * loitus rips up his tix to toronto
[10:37] <freax> hey just like zetatalk
[10:37] <QueenVee> Sapphire is such a dweeb
[10:37] <freax> what do you know
[10:37] <loitus> ahh canadian white pages
[10:37] <freax> erm
[10:37] <freax> thats bullshit
[10:38] <freax> if the masqurading router is in london then anyone can simply login and make out they're the box in london
[10:38] <freax> it dont mean shit if the ip is the same as the london's isp range
[10:38] <QueenVee> hey, go nuts; i'm enormously entertained by your fascination with discovering my real name and address....
[10:38] <QueenVee> flattered even
[10:38] <freax> im not interested =P
[10:39] <loitus> Put the lotion in the basket
[10:39] <QueenVee> in a bizarre kind of way
[10:39] <freax> [3j] clearly is
[10:39] <freax> im just putting the facts down
[10:39] <QueenVee> you certain SEEM interested
[10:39] <freax> as usual
[10:39] <freax> no im not honestly
[10:39] <QueenVee> lol
[10:39] * loitus constructs a dungeon in his basement
[10:39] <freax> im just interested in ShadowCow for now
[10:39] <ShadowCow> I didn't say they were masquing anything. SOMETIMES they reroute stuff through other pops. It's how you get people from LA coming in through a San Diego or Phoenix login on big networks like Earthlink.
[10:39] <freax> and his smark stupid remarks
[10:39] <freax> i did
[10:39] <loitus> smark?
[10:40] <freax> say that they were masqurading anything, i dont take facts from you specially over the remark which you have no proof of over wether the london isp has a masqurading box owned by QueenVee there
[10:40] <loitus> oh cool Ontario has it's own white pages
[10:40] <freax> stop attempting to gain ego
[10:40] <ShadowCow> I didn't say she did.
[10:41] <freax> besides the rest of your comment is irrelevant to wether the london isp has masqurading or if QueenVee is using it, that is in reguard to other matters entirely
[10:41] <ShadowCow> When did I say QV was masquearing anything? I don't see a single comment to that effect.
[10:41] <freax> and no
[10:41] <freax> the isp's dns servers would take care of any of that
[10:41] * ShadowCow rolls her eyes and idles.
[10:41] <freax> it wouldnt be a direct connection to the other isp's in sandiego or phoenix coming through earthlink
[10:42] * freax thinks of baning ShadowCow
[10:42] * freax is held back by Jurian
[10:42] <freax> hold me back dammit!
[10:42] <loitus> heh
[10:42] <freax> you know id risk my ops here to ban you
[10:43] <Zetapal> whats the point in trying to find out where ANYBODY lives ?
[10:43] <freax> but im not allowed to, ive got to monitor and look out for punky fucking script kiddies
[10:43] <QueenVee> ShadowCow: i see you're making as many friends here as you did in my channel
[10:43] <loitus> To put them in my dungeon
[10:43] * freax kicks Jurian up the arse =)
[10:43] <freax> well
[10:43] <loitus> B. A. Gruden (More Info)
[10:43] <loitus> 1845 Aldersb
[10:43] <freax> Zetapal
[10:43] <loitus> ?
[10:43] <Zetapal> yo
[10:43] <QueenVee> loitus: i am so flattered by your interest in my mother....
[10:44] <QueenVee> and where she lives
[10:44] <freax> it aint my concern but apparently theres a big decision over wether they should kill the people related to zetatalk
[10:44] <loitus> 1845 Aldersbrook Road, London, ON N6G4V9
[10:44] <QueenVee> i'll see if i can get you a date
[10:44] <freax> shit shouldnt have said that
[10:44] <freax> oh well
[10:44] <QueenVee> I believe that's the address of Beverley Gruden, my mother's ex-husband's first wife
[10:44] <Zetapal> ouch lol
[10:44] <loitus> 37 Stanley Street, London, ON N6C1B2
[10:44] <loitus> (519) 434 - 1832
[10:44] <loitus> ?
[10:44] <freax> you are all gonna die anyway, we all are
[10:45] <freax> that is unless this thing comes true
[10:45] <QueenVee> hey! i used to live in Stanley Street when i was a teenager
[10:45] <QueenVee> i dunno any Grudens living on stanely street right now
[10:45] <freax> loitus
[10:45] <loitus> I see...
[10:46] <freax> are you just looking up the ISP's boardroom secretary to website management's information which is clearly available by using a program?
[10:46] <loitus> I never knew someone so scared to say who they are... I'm Ethan Anthony Edwards and live in Neshanic Station, NJ 08853
[10:46] <freax> part of that is fact, probably
[10:46] <QueenVee> loitus: hate to ruin your fun, but my mother is not listed, as she has trouble with her ex-husband from time to time
[10:46] <QueenVee> Loitus: yes, i'm SO SCARED....
[10:47] <freax> ooh, police reports would be your best bet loitus
[10:47] <QueenVee> i'm quaking with fear that you will find out WHO I AM and WHERE I LIVE.....
[10:47] <loitus> Well.. you seem to deflect any questions as to your identity.. ms. tru crime
[10:47] <Zetapal> or Columbo
[10:47] <Zetapal> I think he's available
[10:47] <QueenVee> well, if i told you, all the fun would be over -- wouldn't it?
[10:47] <[3j]> interesting
[10:47] <freax> QueenVee: you are? =D
[10:47] <freax> thats weird
[10:47] <freax> i wouldnt be
[10:47] <loitus> Maybe I'll ask the ALMIGHTY zetas
[10:48] <Zetapal> loitus - something tells me you'd have just as much trouble locating THEM
[10:48] <loitus> hmmm maybe Regina Gruden
[10:49] <QueenVee> gee, maybe
[10:49] <loitus> Zetapal: I'm a starchild duh
[10:49] <Zetapal> lol
[10:49] <QueenVee> and you haven't used yoru lifeline to the zetas yet?
[10:49] <QueenVee> such restraint
[10:49] <loitus> Well they get annoyed
[10:49] <QueenVee> no doubt
[10:50] <loitus> Last time I asked them where I can get some cocaine they yelled at me
[10:50] <QueenVee> irritable little fellas
[10:50] <loitus> fucking zetas
[10:50] <loitus> Anyone wathcing "Taken"?
[10:50] <loitus> The Zetas are the stars
[10:50] <loitus> ;)
[10:50] <[3j]> sapphier posted stuff about ilene gruden on his site? already???
[10:50] <loitus> yup
[10:50] <Zetapal> not yet - Taken is being posted on usenet though
[10:50] <loitus> It's very good so far... 6 hours in..
[10:51] <loitus> ;)
[10:51] <Zetapal> group: alt.binaries.great
[10:51] <loitus> I don't need that I got Tivo ;)
[10:52] <freax> wtf
[10:52] <Zetapal> cutting edge
[10:52] <freax> tivo has newsgroup support now?
[10:52] <loitus> I don't need to d/l rips of Taken.
[10:52] <freax> aint anything remotely in relation to a tivo device over here =P
[10:53] <freax> mmm
[10:53] <freax> satellite tv
[10:53] <freax> let it all fall in
[10:53] <freax> c-band preferrably
[10:53] <QueenVee> [3j]: he has indeed. here's the email i send him in response:
[10:53] <QueenVee> Hey Mike: Thanks for immortalizing my mother -- Ilene Gruden -- on your website. (My internet account is in her name.) Unfortunately, neither she nor her 65 year-old-plus friends surf the net, and therefore will not be able to enjoy her notoriety. Nonetheless, I'm certainly enjoying the humour of it. Thanks for continuing to keep me (and others) entertained with your peculiar obssession....
[10:53] <[3j]> yeah i read that
[10:53] <[3j]> funny how your mother is called that :)
[10:53] <[3j]> and that her ex husbands are still haunting her
[10:53] <QueenVee> why funny?
[10:53] <[3j]> even though, what, how old is she now?
[10:53] <QueenVee> 65
[10:53] <[3j]> for sure in her senior years
[10:54] <loitus> It's funny that QueenVee doesn't even have a Credit Card to get an isp account with..
[10:54] <[3j]> must be funny to see those old men stalkers
[10:54] <QueenVee> as Zetapal can tell you, my mother used to be a model and looks great for her age; just got a new boyfriend....
[10:54] <loitus> Is she single?
[10:54] <[3j]> oh zp has seen her eh? :)
[10:54] <QueenVee> yeah, she's single
[10:55] <loitus> Hook me up
[10:55] <loitus> I like the more "experienced" girls
[10:55] <QueenVee> hey, i you guys want to think i'm Ilene Gruden, it's no skin off my teeth
[10:55] <QueenVee> i think it's funny
[10:55] <freax> !op Zetapal proove your worth for-th us
[10:55] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Zetapal
[10:55] <loitus> I believe you are her daughter.. but it is closer to the revelation of your identity...
[10:56] <QueenVee> loitus: it is indeed
[10:56] <loitus> tick tock..
[10:56] <loitus> ;)
[10:56] <QueenVee> unfortunately we do not share the same last name
[10:56] <QueenVee> so i don't know where that's gonna get you
[10:56] * ShadowCow was kicked by Zetapal (well well well)
[10:57] <loitus> We'll see I suppose..
[10:57] <loitus> muahahah
[10:57] * DRGREEN has quit IRC
[10:57] <freax> tada
[10:57] <loitus> I just wanna see one zetadrone in real life..
[10:57] <loitus> ;)
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[10:58] * freax puts a party hat ontop of ShadowCow
[10:58] <loitus> 5 months to go..
[10:58] <loitus> heh
[10:58] <freax> what happened?
[10:59] <freax> the channel went dead? =P
[10:59] <freax> when is the next zetatalk discussion?
[11:00] <loitus> you care?
[11:00] <freax> !deop Zetapal thy have proven thou worth a little
[11:00] * ChanServ sets mode: -o Zetapal
[11:00] <loitus> heh
[11:00] <loitus> I'm worth it freax
[11:00] <Zetapal> :(
[11:00] <[3j]> why are you both here
[11:00] <[3j]> qv, zp?
[11:00] <[3j]> i mean, what in the world has drawn you both here today ?
[11:01] <freax> why thy smily face down thou Zetapal?
[11:01] <Zetapal> well, we didn't come together
[11:01] <loitus> come? mmm
[11:01] <[3j]> oh yeah
[11:01] <[3j]> 10 minutes lapse
[11:01] <freax> mmm, they both stumbled in with people in banana suits
[11:02] <Zetapal> lol
[11:02] <[3j]> hehe
[11:04] * [3j] cant find anything about qv on skepticalmind
[11:04] <[3j]> :(
[11:04] <loitus> On players
[11:04] <loitus> I'll get the link hold on
[11:04] <loitus> http://www.skepticalmind.com/the_players.html
[11:05] <loitus> Update (12/05/02) : Queenvee has stated that Ilene Gruden is, in fact, her mother. However, this little biography won't be changed until Queenvee sees fit to reveal her true identity.
[11:06] <loitus> middle-aged woman, twice divorced and living with her mom. The
[11:06] <loitus> lol
[11:06] <loitus> I can't imagine why'd she be divorced twice.. such a nice lady after all..
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[11:07] <freax> hi monk
[11:07] <monk> hi
[11:07] <z> niihau, monk
[11:08] <freax> isnt it just the case duke
[11:08] <freax> i must forthonce go upstairs and teach them a lesson
[11:08] <loitus> huh?
[11:08] <freax> that means i must, well, go
[11:08] <loitus> Have fun
[11:09] <freax> only for a while though duke
[11:09] <Zetapal> c ya freax
[11:09] <QueenVee> loitus: yes, a very bad reflection on my character that i'm staying with my mother while she recovers from her illness....
[11:09] <freax> oh and bring the mb around the front for me will you.
[11:10] <freax> roflmoa
[11:10] <freax> *bbl*
[11:10] <[3j]> hmm
[11:10] <loitus> I was laughing about 2 divorces dear
[11:10] <loitus> heh
[11:10] <[3j]> gota spend more hyperiums $
[11:10] <loitus> And your middle aged, which to me at 24 is also funny
[11:11] <loitus> Menopause is closing in..
[11:11] * loitus is now known as Menopause
[11:11] <Menopause> Here I am!
[11:11] * Menopause is now known as loitus
[11:12] <QueenVee> loitus: hey, it's funny to me too
[11:12] <loitus> Word
[11:12] <QueenVee> can't believe i'm middle aged
[11:12] <QueenVee> but i am
[11:12] <loitus> Must suck
[11:12] <QueenVee> yes and no
[11:13] <loitus> You should commune (suicide) with the zetas to avoid "old" age..
[11:13] <QueenVee> there are many aspects of being young that i am glad to put behind me
[11:13] <loitus> Like lots of energy, usually good bodies, lust?
[11:13] <Zetapal> . ~~* .o O
[11:13] <loitus> hmm
[11:14] <loitus> I second that zetapal
[11:14] <Zetapal> :)
[11:14] <loitus> Is that supposed to be PX closing in on Earth, ZP?
[11:14] <loitus> If so. clever
[11:14] <Zetapal> yeah
[11:15] <loitus> nice
[11:15] <loitus> Guess this one.. 8=====D
[11:15] <Zetapal> lol
[11:15] <loitus> Pneumonia sucks
[11:15] <loitus> Nebulizer rulez
[11:16] <freax> let me guess, is it arthritus?
[11:16] <loitus> Pneumonia is an infection in your lungs
[11:16] <freax> or is it, asthma?
[11:16] <freax> ooh
[11:16] <freax> man i was waay off
[11:16] <loitus> That causes mass mucous buildup and makes it difficult to breathe
[11:16] <freax> i need to go back to harvard
[11:16] <freax> i miss harvard
[11:17] <loitus> The nebulizer is an inhalant that clears the lungs
[11:17] <freax> i thought it widened your throat
[11:17] <loitus> Perhaps..
[11:17] <loitus> It makes it so I can breathe..
[11:17] <loitus> so it rulez
[11:17] <freax> or the air intakes that goto your lungs
[11:18] <freax> err pathway, not intakes alone =)
[11:18] <loitus> It does something to the bronchial passages
[11:18] <freax> yep it 'rulez'
[11:18] * loitus coughs up a pint of green mucous
[11:19] * loitus drinks it back down
[11:19] <freax> eew, isnt that supposed to come out of thy noze?
[11:19] <loitus> mmm
[11:19] <Zetapal> does it block histamine production? the nebulizer
[11:19] <loitus> http://asthmastuff.com/nebulizer.htm
[11:20] <freax> ooh resourceful
[11:20] <loitus> My nebulizer has Albuterol in it mmm
[11:21] <loitus> http://asthmastuff.com/nebulizer.htm
[11:21] <loitus> oops
[11:21] <loitus> The active component of this formulation is albuterol racemic (a1-[(tert-butylamino)methyl]-4-hydroxy-m-xylene-a, a¢-diol) and a relatively selective beta2-adrenergic bronchodilator. The molecular weight is 239.3 and the empirical formula is C13H21NO3. Albuterol is a white to off-white crystalline solid. It is soluble in ethanol, sparingly soluble in water, and very soluble in chloroform
[11:22] <loitus> word
[11:22] <freax> mmm water
[11:22] <freax> damn these chips are spicy
[11:22] <loitus> not much water in AU recently...
[11:22] <loitus> Bush fire!
[11:23] <freax> yes i know
[11:23] <freax> fucking everywhere
[11:23] <Zetapal> these pretzels are making me thirsty
[11:23] <freax> freax.20m.com/fires/
[11:23] <loitus> About a foot of snow outside my door now
[11:23] <freax> heh
[11:23] <freax> lucky mongrel
[11:23] <loitus> heh
[11:23] <juditness> HI!
[11:24] <loitus> HI!
[11:24] <freax> HI!
[11:24] <freax> z,HI i uhh love you
[11:24] <z> freax: huh?
[11:24] <loitus> lol you have pictures of bush fires
[11:24] <freax> no
[11:24] <freax> the bushfire
[11:24] <loitus> THE?
[11:24] <freax> south/west/north sydney are surrounded by bushfires
[11:25] <monk> theres a fire like a mile away from me
[11:25] <freax> thats the images i got off the tv yesterday afternoon (morning now here)
[11:25] <freax> the closest bushfire is a mere 10km's away from sydney centre
[11:25] <loitus> Wow.. freax you'd like ozzfest
[11:25] <loitus> I went this year
[11:25] <freax> ozzfest eh?
[11:25] <freax> i hate concerts
[11:25] <loitus> BUt many of the bands you dig perform there
[11:26] <freax> except for contemporary concerts
[11:26] <freax> oh thats outdated
[11:26] <loitus> You're against over fishing?
[11:26] <loitus> heh
[11:26] <loitus> Hippie
[11:26] <freax> im begening to move towards classical/jazz/flute/piano music
[11:27] <loitus> Oh soo gay music
[11:27] <freax> say that once more and ill stick a trumbone up yer ass
[11:27] <loitus> mm
[11:27] <freax> *grins*
[11:27] <Zetapal> 8======D
[11:27] <loitus> *poops*
[11:28] <freax> *brrrrr*
[11:28] <loitus> (<>)
[11:28] <freax> more like *BRRrrrr*
[11:28] <loitus> huh?
[11:29] <freax> well here i am thinking you're taking a crap through a trumbone
[11:29] <freax> and here i am trying to make the sound effects
[11:29] <freax> and here i am
[11:29] <loitus> Freax: is HEadhunter any good, I was thinking of picking it up..
[11:29] <freax> no
[11:29] <freax> its crap
[11:29] <Zetapal> doesn't it suck having to explain your humour
[11:29] <freax> very very crap
[11:30] <freax> meh
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[11:30] <freax> more property engulfed in sydneys north
[11:30] <loitus> damn
[11:30] <freax> sydneys bushfire crisis is starting to effect electricity and travel
[11:30] <freax> rails are cut
[11:30] <loitus> I just got GTA Vice City..
[11:30] <loitus> nice..
[11:30] <freax> residents in the blue mountains are on high alert
[11:31] <freax> wow
[11:31] <freax> look at that footage
[11:31] * [3j] is at 3.5 mil a day
[11:31] <[3j]> woohoo
[11:31] <freax> im 5.1mil
[11:31] <[3j]> 3.4 actually
[11:31] <[3j]> bah
[11:31] * loitus makes some yellow snow
[11:31] * loitus eats it
[11:31] <freax> woot
[11:31] <[3j]> you got 2 things i didnt get: head start and free cash :P
[11:32] <freax> the f3 freeway is blocked
[11:32] <freax> quite
[11:32] <juditness> i am so fucking bored.
[11:32] <juditness> :/
[11:32] <freax> north katoomba is a furnace
[11:32] <juditness> i am hyper
[11:32] <juditness> and there's noone to talk to.
[11:32] <freax> god damn
[11:32] <juditness> bitches.
[11:32] <juditness> :(
[11:33] <freax> hehe
[11:33] <freax> when you're hyper you talk yourself and dont stop
[11:33] <freax> no matter what shit there is
[11:33] <loitus> I can't believe my neighbors have their dog tied up outside in this snow.. he literally has an inch of snow on his back..
[11:33] <Zetapal> juditness are you a chick?
[11:33] <freax> good fucking dog
[11:33] <juditness> Zetapal: yes
[11:33] <Zetapal> ahhh
[11:33] <freax> a geek chick who hates freax
[11:33] <freax> =(
[11:33] <loitus> I should cut his throat to put him out of his misery
[11:34] <Zetapal> :(
[11:34] <loitus> mmm a dame
[11:34] <juditness> Zetapal: what do you think i am with a nick like this?
[11:34] <freax> what misery? he probably likes grining through the window when he kills em all on christmas day
[11:34] <[3j]> haha
[11:34] <[3j]> a dragqueen ?
[11:34] <[3j]> hope not...
[11:34] <[3j]> hehe
[11:34] <juditness> heh.
[11:35] <juditness> i am not even gonna answer that.
[11:35] * juditness shows [3j] her chesthair :/
[11:35] <[3j]> oh baby
[11:35] <freax> anyone going south or north by train or road all of these routes are cut
[11:35] <loitus> heh
[11:35] <freax> anyone getting out of sydney have to go around the fires, many hundreds of km's
[11:35] <loitus> I want to get my mail but am not wading through snow to get it
[11:36] <freax> hehehe
[11:36] <freax> i wouldnt mind some american mail in my postbox someday
[11:36] <[3j]> damn wish it snowed
[11:36] <freax> just to see how things are done there
[11:36] <[3j]> i saw it on the news so many people got lots of snow
[11:36] <loitus> Cool AU is ablaze
[11:36] <freax> check out the feature jpgs
[11:36] <loitus> Who's got the marshmallows?
[11:36] <freax> see how big they are
[11:36] <freax> the fire that is
[11:36] <[3j]> freax american mail is like spam in your email
[11:37] <loitus> I have 1 foot at least outside my door now
[11:37] <loitus> in NJ
[11:37] <[3j]> except you also get bills
[11:37] <freax> eh? spam in my mail is just as if not more common here =D
[11:37] <freax> i wouldnt mind getting a letter or a bill from america
[11:37] <loitus> Freax give me your address, I'll send you my bills
[11:38] <freax> no chance in hell you send it to my po box
[11:38] <freax> when i make one
[11:38] <loitus> damn
[11:38] * loitus cancels dungeoun construction
[11:38] <freax> man if you came out here it'd cost you a head and a &*#$
[11:39] <loitus> But my dungeon wil be sooooo nice..
[11:40] * freax puts on some jimi hendrix music for |Malakai|SOF2
[11:40] <Zetapal> what are you gonna put in there loitus?
[11:40] <loitus> Freax and QV
[11:40] <loitus> some lube
[11:40] <juditness> z judit
[11:40] <z> hmmm... judit is the best thing that can ever happen to you. :) or hungarian
[11:40] <Zetapal> thats who
[11:40] <Zetapal> Sybian ?
[11:40] <freax> why not me and juditness?
[11:40] <freax> much more fun
[11:41] <loitus> Lube-dildos-whips-pit bull dog-and some heroin
[11:41] <juditness> in that case we wouldn't need lube. :/
[11:41] * freax throws up all over loitus's face while he is pinned down on the floor
[11:41] * juditness would stick that dildo up your ass without lube, makes no difference =x
[11:41] <loitus> mmm'
[11:41] <freax> mmm
[11:41] <freax> loitus better watch out with that
[11:41] <loitus> Freax likes it dry and rough
[11:41] <freax> haha
[11:41] <freax> howd you know?
[11:42] <loitus> Your previous "expreiences"
[11:42] <juditness> cuz he tried lube and you refused?
[11:42] <freax> makes me imp for at least another 6 months
[11:42] <juditness> :)
[11:42] <loitus> I'm sure he didn't use lube
[11:42] <juditness> how is that
[11:42] <loitus> ;)
[11:42] <[3j]> heh, ouch!@
[11:42] <juditness> everytime i appear in a channel
[11:42] <juditness> people immediately start talking about sex? :(
[11:42] <freax> ouch dont make up for the pain i endure for making money
[11:43] <[3j]> cuz your a female and irc is filled with horny males
[11:43] <freax> haha
[11:43] <loitus> yup
[11:43] <freax> mmm
[11:43] <freax> 90%
[11:43] <freax> i aint horny though
[11:43] <freax> im trying to drop this conversation actually
[11:43] <juditness> i am not male.
[11:43] <juditness> =P
[11:43] <juditness> just horny. =D
[11:43] <[3j]> hah
[11:43] * loitus strips, rubs ketchup all over his comepletely shaven body, and wrestles with Juditness
[11:43] <[3j]> your gona make it worse
[11:43] <freax> heh
[11:44] <juditness> loitus: ketchup doesn't turn me on... neither does wrestling. ;x
[11:44] <[3j]> ketchup? lol!!
[11:44] <loitus> damn
[11:44] * freax takes some snapshots and sells em to worlds worst irc relationships
[11:44] * juditness grabs freax and gives him a lesson of what an irc quickie is like.
[11:44] * loitus cleans up the mess with his tongue
[11:44] <freax> woot
[11:45] <freax> eew
[11:45] <freax> wow you guy's are getting a big winter over in america =P
[11:45] <loitus> yup
[11:45] <freax> yep its planetx alright
[11:45] <freax> hehe
[11:45] <loitus> Has to be px
[11:45] <loitus> QV says so
[11:45] <freax> dont mean it has to be queevee for it to be planetx
[11:45] <juditness> hahahahahahahaha.
[11:46] <freax> wow million people to be out of power for weeks in america
[11:46] <loitus> and my Directv still has great reception
[11:46] <loitus> ;)
[11:46] <freax> haha
[11:46] <freax> according to Jurian mini-dishes get better reception in the snow
[11:46] <loitus> hmm
[11:46] <freax> which i find quite surprising
[11:47] <loitus> sounds weird
[11:47] <freax> seeing the dish shrinks in cold and expands in heat
[11:47] <loitus> But one shouldn't question Jurian
[11:47] <freax> why not?
[11:47] * QueenVee is now known as Queen-away
[11:47] <loitus> HE IS LORD
[11:47] <freax> i do all the time
[11:47] <freax> oh please
[11:47] <freax> a toothless tiger
[11:47] <freax> with plenty of fanta btw
[11:47] <loitus> mmm
[11:47] * loitus likes to facefuck toothless tigers
[11:48] <juditness> loitus: how old are you? 12?
[11:48] <freax> its amazing he hasnt made an advertisment like that other tiger in the schwepps commercial
[11:48] <loitus> 24
[11:48] <loitus> I'm just retarded...
[11:48] <freax> maybe
[11:48] <freax> the dish warps in the heat, and straightens in the cold
[11:48] <freax> that would explain the better reception
[11:49] <loitus> Maybe the signal travels better through the snow? makes no sense though
[11:49] <freax> although i am turned towards thinking it has something to do with reflection of the snowflakes because in rain the water is closer together than snow
[11:49] <loitus> Does AU get snow?
[11:49] <freax> when it falls from the clouds
[11:49] <freax> only on a few select mountains
[11:49] <freax> 2 i think
[11:49] <loitus> too bad
[11:49] <juditness> loitus: that's right. :P
[11:50] * loitus is now known as Loitusness
[11:50] <Loitusness> There that's better
[11:50] <juditness> ..
[11:50] <freax> man last time australia seen snow around the sea level areas was the ice age
[11:50] * Loitusness is now known as loitus
[11:50] <freax> and that was a few km's down
[11:50] <loitus> mmm ice age
[11:50] <freax> i love the raun
[11:50] * loitus is glad he doesn't live in AU
[11:50] <freax> rain
[11:51] <freax> if it rained all day everyday id be happy
[11:51] <freax> but seeing it dont, im never happy
[11:51] <loitus> I love living in the pollution capital of the world NJ
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[11:51] <loitus> Freax, so is that why?
[11:52] <freax> ooh, cctv4 just showed footage of the sydney fires
[11:52] <[3j]> sounds bad
[11:52] <loitus> Now is the time to do some arson
[11:52] <[3j]> heh
[11:52] <freax> actually
[11:53] <freax> the fires were all started by cigarette butt throwers
[11:53] <loitus> Cool
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[11:53] <loitus> HA!!!
[11:53] <freax> the hunter valley ones (where i am) and the sydney ones
[11:53] <loitus> ZP and QV even leave together
[11:53] <loitus> What is their relation?
[11:53] <freax> yeah, but queenvee pinged out
[11:53] <miguel> good bye
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[11:53] <freax> bye miguel
[11:54] <loitus> AND MIGUEL!
[11:54] <freax> damn lag
[11:54] <loitus> heh
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[11:55] <[3j]> haha
[11:55] <loitus> yay
[11:55] <[3j]> guess whos back
[11:55] <loitus> back again
[11:55] <[3j]> haha
[11:55] <[3j]> i forgot all the words for that
[11:55] <loitus> QV's back tell a friend
[11:55] <[3j]> lol
[11:55] * loitus puts on the 8 mile soundtrack
[11:56] <[3j]> didnt see that movie
[11:56] <loitus> me neither
[11:56] <loitus> want to though.. but will wait for the dvd
[11:56] <[3j]> yeah me too
[11:56] <freax> wow flood emergencys in the region of tg1 of rai international
[11:57] <loitus> I don't wanna deal with the thug audience
[11:57] * Queen-away is now known as QueenVee
[11:57] <[3j]> oh yeah the thugs
[11:57] <[3j]> gimme your popcorn bitch or else i cap yo ass!
[11:57] <loitus> I love that fucking 8 mile song..
[11:57] <[3j]> gimme dem candy too!
[11:57] <loitus> makes me bob my head
[11:57] <loitus> YOu better lose yourself in the music..
[11:58] * QueenVee is now known as Queen-away
[11:58] <loitus> Make up you mind Queenie
[11:59] <freax> did i mention there were 60 fires surrounding sydney?
[11:59] <freax> http://www.worldweather.com/
[11:59] <freax> first page on worldweather.com =D
[11:59] <freax> Thousands of firefighters struggled yesterday to control more than 60 bush fires that ringed Sydney, destroying houses, cutting power and causing transport chaos. Sydney was taken by surprise by bush fires which ignited almost simultaneously within the space of an hour. As afternoon temperatures soared, strong winds fanned flames, sending a huge pall of smoke across the city.
[11:59] <loitus> Fire is so annoying
[11:59] <freax> yesterday? you mean yesterday all night and today
[12:00] * loitus starts a coalition to put an end to fire
[12:00] <freax> http://www.earthquakenews.com/
[12:00] <loitus> Fire bad
[12:01] <freax> i expect its terrorisim
[12:01] * loitus loves the smell of cooked wallabies in the morning
[12:01] <freax> err suspect
[12:01] <freax> cause all of them were started within 1 hour
[12:02] <freax> that aint just coincidence, and there were no storms around
[12:02] <loitus> Freax what were you doing when they started??
[12:02] <loitus> It's PX
[12:02] <freax> let alone lightning strikes
[12:02] <freax> i was listening to the radio after the power went out
[12:02] <loitus> Sure..
[12:02] <freax> on the battery am radio
[12:02] <freax> in bed actually
[12:02] <loitus> You must have been strugling without power
[12:02] <freax> left it on...
[12:03] <freax> i dont see why
[12:03] <loitus> You're a tech-geek
[12:03] <loitus> ;)
[12:03] <freax> yeah but i pay the power bill
[12:03] <loitus> Ahh...
[12:03] <loitus> YOur parents live for free?
[12:03] <loitus> YOu should kill them and eat them..
[12:03] <freax> i cant even leave a computer on no more
[12:04] <freax> all computers on when the web is on, or usage is needed, and off when not, standby when busy with other tasks
[12:04] <loitus> Get 30 UPSes...
[12:04] <freax> what the hell for
[12:04] <freax> they'd cost me a fortune
[12:04] <loitus> hehe
[12:05] <freax> besides
[12:05] <freax> whatever power comes out has to go in
[12:05] <loitus> True..
[12:05] <loitus> It wouldn't cost you less.
[12:05] <freax> duh
[12:05] <loitus> Go solar
[12:05] <freax> no it would cost me more
[12:05] <freax> im thinking on a windmill
[12:05] <loitus> Hydro-power?
[12:05] <freax> plenty of wind here
[12:05] <loitus> Duh no water
[12:05] <freax> no, no water/rivers around
[12:06] <freax> =P
[12:06] <loitus> Wind-power would work
[12:06] <freax> wind/dust power =)
[12:06] <loitus> or a cold fusion device
[12:06] <freax> or a cold fusion device
[12:06] <loitus> heh
[12:06] <freax> Mr Koperberg said one fire in Sydney’s north-west had a two-mile front and was up to 12 miles long.
[12:06] <loitus> It's not the size that matters
[12:07] <[3j]> its the heat inside?
[12:07] <loitus> It's how you use it...
[12:07] <freax> Australia is in the grip of one of the worst droughts in a century, and firefighters have battled hundreds of bush fires in recent months, in what is shaping up as one of Australia’s worst fire seasons.
[12:07] * loitus bows for his corny joke
[12:07] <loitus> Is this unique fir AU?
[12:07] <loitus> for
[12:07] <freax> unique how?
[12:07] <loitus> Is it Unusual
[12:08] <[3j]> hmm
[12:08] <freax> no, not in a timespan of 8 years
[12:08] <[3j]> 'water found at martian south pole'
[12:08] <loitus> Ahh... so not PX related
[12:08] <freax> there was a fire lesser than this one in 1994
[12:08] <[3j]> anyone see that on drudge
[12:08] <loitus> 3J: New info?
[12:08] <loitus> now?
[12:08] <freax> ooh
[12:08] <z> now is the time to do some arson
[12:08] <freax> far out
[12:08] <loitus> hmm
[12:08] <freax> =D
[12:08] <freax> im goin to mars
[12:08] <[3j]> i'm not :(
[12:08] <[3j]> wish i could though, but its too expensive to refit my car for space travel
[12:08] <loitus> I'm from mars
[12:08] <freax> look out nasa, a big ass 6.6foot 100kg scientist is comin your way in 6 years
[12:09] <loitus> I hate it when he posts headlines without articles..
[12:09] <[3j]> yeah
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[12:09] <freax> wha?
[12:09] <freax> http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1351592002
[12:09] * loitus checks www.space.com
[12:09] <freax> Last Christmas, some of the worst ever bush fires ringed Sydney, burning two million acres and more than 100 homes.
[12:09] <freax> wow
[12:10] <freax> its crept up from 2 last night to 100 tonight
[12:10] <freax> i dont get it
[12:10] <freax> cant have been that fast
[12:10] <loitus> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_ice_021205.html
[12:10] <loitus> FOund it
[12:10] <freax> unless the tv is working something weird
[12:10] <loitus> lol
[12:10] <[3j]> thanks for the link
[12:10] <loitus> np
[12:10] <freax> np
[12:11] <loitus> NP!
[12:11] <freax> damn it would be a dissapointment to not find any organisims there
[12:12] <o_O> The summer of 2003 will present a unique opportunity to view and photograph Mars. It will be closer to Earth than since many millennia before photography was invented << nancy will say its pX ;-)
[12:12] <loitus> 3j: you may like www.cyberspaceorbit.com be sure to read the HUGE archives
[12:12] <loitus> lots of space info
[12:12] <loitus> heh
[12:12] <freax> doubtful
[12:12] <freax> ill check that =P
[12:12] <freax> himitsu would too
[12:13] <freax> there are ways...
[12:13] <freax> by looking at what stars match with what listing for the time/date of the photograph
[12:13] <freax> ooh, nice soho image =)
[12:14] <loitus> Yah.. there's a lot of anomalies there
[12:14] <freax> wtf, christ posing for soho?
[12:14] <loitus> heh
[12:14] <freax> wtf are all these boxes too?
[12:14] <loitus> IT's strange.. but SOL has been up to weird shit
[12:15] <freax> mmm
[12:15] <freax> like its done for billions of years
[12:15] <freax> nothing new
[12:15] <freax> its new that you've discovered it
[12:16] <loitus> yup
[12:16] <freax> hahhaa
[12:16] <freax> that little man in the solar flare image
[12:16] <freax> hehe
[12:16] <freax> groovy
[12:16] <loitus> The Elders all say that the way to survive anything that might be coming is through serious daily prayer and connected spirituality rather than mundane chores like stocking up on supplies. And that the more people of an area who are connected and grounded spirituality, the greater the likelihood of that area being spared some of the upheavals of grandmother earth--the Hopi said, those [sacred] areas will raise like mesas...
[12:16] <freax> why does he remind me of elvis?
[12:16] <loitus> heh
[12:16] <loitus> He looks like a devil with horns
[12:17] <[3j]> hmm
[12:17] <[3j]> anyone know how to make sunscreen?
[12:17] <loitus> Jizz
[12:17] <freax> lol
[12:17] <monk> Thats powerful loitus
[12:17] <freax> yeah, get a sheet and wrap it over your head
[12:17] <[3j]> that shit dries up
[12:17] * o_O has quit IRC (I want to die with a smile on my face)
[12:17] <freax> like the middle-east people do
[12:18] <loitus> I love this site.. it's fucking strange.. and has archives that go back many years
[12:18] <[3j]> hmm
[12:18] <loitus> I just stubled on it a few days ago
[12:18] <[3j]> anyone know how to make sheets?
[12:18] <loitus> Shit?
[12:18] <z> Shit is, like, insane
[12:18] <monk> loitus: whats the url
[12:18] <freax> where are the archives again?
[12:19] <loitus> On the bottom of the page there an arrow pointing to the right
[12:19] <freax> [3j]: get the building plans for a cotton weaving machine
[12:19] <loitus> http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/indexback55.html <--- the link for the first page back
[12:19] <freax> [3j]: get some cotton strand it out and put it on rolls for the machine
[12:19] <loitus> Just go back 55 - 54 etc
[12:20] <[3j]> yeah but what if you have no cotton
[12:20] <freax> [3j]: cotton grows on plants
[12:20] <loitus> Use skin
[12:20] <freax> mmm
[12:20] <freax> animal skin
[12:20] <freax> or human skin
[12:20] <loitus> Animal??
[12:20] <loitus> heh
[12:20] <freax> whichever is more common and close
[12:20] <[3j]> then how to skin an animal!
[12:21] <loitus> Knife and then dry it
[12:21] <[3j]> were fuct if we dont know these basic things
[12:21] <loitus> yup
[12:21] <loitus> We're fuct either way
[12:21] <freax> wtf are these boxes!
[12:21] <[3j]> i think its more complicated than that
[12:21] <loitus> heheh
[12:21] <loitus> lol
[12:21] <loitus> That one blue image is weird
[12:21] <freax> umm kill the animal
[12:21] <freax> wash the skin
[12:21] <[3j]> hmm maybe i should practice with lizards
[12:21] <freax> and cut away any guts/veins from it
[12:21] <loitus> The cube is actually very visible in that one to the left
[12:21] <[3j]> make me a lizard skin coat
[12:21] <freax> get as much blood out as possible
[12:22] <freax> then get a stick and rub it against it to stretch it
[12:22] <freax> then let it dry on the stick in the sun for a few days
[12:22] <freax> then wash it again and dry it, then its usable
[12:22] <[3j]> but what about the skin
[12:22] <[3j]> just wear fucking animal skin
[12:22] <loitus> Yup
[12:23] <loitus> Like Leatherface
[12:23] <freax> thats what im talking about
[12:23] <[3j]> haha
[12:23] <loitus> or Ed Gein
[12:23] <freax> make sure when you wash it 2nd time you use bleach or soap, or a strong hand and a rock =P
[12:23] <loitus> Otherwise it'll be full of disease
[12:23] <freax> its gonna be full of that reguardless
[12:24] <loitus> http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/dm_report.html
[12:24] <loitus> heh
[12:24] <loitus> A new take on PX
[12:24] <loitus> or nibiru
[12:24] <loitus> It's no weirder than the Zeta's version
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[12:25] <loitus> heh
[12:26] <freax> last line of that page: Something will be coming our way very soon but it will not be Nibiru.
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[12:28] <loitus> damn
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[12:29] <planetx> hi
[12:29] <juditness> omg
[12:29] <juditness> it's here.
[12:29] <juditness> it has struck us. :/
[12:29] <loitus> Fuck off we don't want you to destroy earth
[12:29] <Mansur> what?
[12:29] <Mansur> what?
[12:29] <loitus> what?
[12:29] <freax> not you Mansur
[12:29] <loitus> px
[12:29] <juditness> hahahahahahahahhahaha
[12:30] <freax> *grins*
[12:30] <juditness> loitus: i like you... sorta.
[12:30] * loitus winks
[12:30] <loitus> oh yah
[12:30] <freax> man i cant wait until august 2003
[12:30] <loitus> Why?
[12:31] <freax> for the mars pictures im gonna take of course
[12:31] <planetx> loitus i will try first to destroy your house:)
[12:31] <juditness> heh. something tells me i'll have a good laugh :/
[12:31] <freax> closest its been since 1877
[12:31] <loitus> mmm mars
[12:31] <freax> at what?
[12:31] <loitus> you
[12:31] <freax> my pictures or planetx?
[12:31] <loitus> Your pics
[12:32] * freax kicsk loitus up the arse with a ten ton shoe
[12:32] <loitus> mmm
[12:32] <freax> shutup for a second
[12:32] * loitus spreads his cheeks to welcome it
[12:32] <freax> no wait
[12:32] <freax> shouldnt say that
[12:32] <loitus> bad op
[12:32] * loitus spanks freax
[12:32] * freax kicks juditness up the arse with a ten ton shoe
[12:32] <freax> what did you mean?
[12:32] <loitus> heh
[12:32] <juditness> nothing.
[12:32] <z> well, nothing is true...
[12:33] <loitus> z: no?
[12:33] <z> loitus: i haven't a clue
[12:33] <loitus> WOrd
[12:33] <juditness> i have promised myself not to get into any of this "who's right" discussions here.
[12:33] <freax> nothing was something once
[12:33] <juditness> we'll see who's right, in less than a year.
[12:33] <freax> it has no relation to zetatalk, my pictures
[12:33] * loitus ties z up and places hi beneath a glass table and then takes a long steaming shit on top of the table for him to watch
[12:34] <juditness> i know
[12:34] <loitus> heh
[12:34] * freax watches as z's large 120mm fans hover the piece of shit in the air
[12:34] <loitus> nice
[12:34] <loitus> Floating poo
[12:35] * loitus 's life dream was to poo in zero g...
[12:35] * freax watches as the pos takes a daring attempt to imitate px and accelerates quickly into loitus's face
[12:35] <loitus> heh
[12:35] * loitus opens his mouth and swallows it whole..
[12:35] <loitus> mmm
[12:35] <freax> ok thats just sick
[12:36] <freax> im not talking with you anymore
[12:36] <loitus> mmm corn
[12:36] <freax> =P
[12:36] <loitus> anyone else here recycle corn out of their poo?
[12:36] <freax> hmm, must go people
[12:36] * freax shakes juditness's hand and walks off
[12:36] <juditness> ..
[12:37] <loitus> ...
[12:37] <loitus> I'm bigger
[12:37] <loitus> ha
[12:37] <freax> wow
[12:37] <freax> Mars will be less than 34.65 million miles (55.75 million kilometers) away -- closer to our planet than it’s been in about 73,000 years.
[12:37] <loitus> Must be px
[12:37] <freax> nah
[12:37] <freax> no relation
[12:38] <juditness> hahaha
[12:38] <juditness> loitus: are you a non-believer?
[12:38] <loitus> If Nasa had sense they'd do a manned expedition then...
[12:38] <loitus> You can say that...
[12:38] <freax> whys that? its only a few million more than its usual
[12:38] <freax> why travel 55.7million miles just because its cheap?
[12:38] <loitus> A bit neutral but I sway towards disbelief due to Nancy's insane behavioe
[12:38] <freax> er
[12:39] <freax> anyway, gotta go
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[14:19] <miguel> hello
[14:25] <raincity> hey
[14:25] <raincity> things move slow around here today.
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[14:32] <cosmic> he quit
[14:32] <cosmic> I, however, am made of sterner stuff
[14:33] <raincity> Are you preparing for May?
[14:33] <cosmic> no
[14:34] <raincity> You're just going to ride out the shift where you are?
[14:34] <cosmic> there isn't going to be a shift
[14:34] <raincity> I'm not so certain.
[14:34] <obaway> cosmic: so why don't you join a channel that is based on the troubled times, 2003 premise?
[14:35] <cosmic> why aren't you away, obaway?
[14:36] * obaway is now known as obany
[14:36] <raincity> a debunker.
[14:36] <obany> well now i am not away
[14:36] <raincity> I am amazed at the efforts that some of these debunkers are putting into this thing.
[14:36] <cosmic> hahaha
[14:36] <raincity> Websites trying to track down people's personal info, addresses and etc.
[14:37] <cosmic> I haven't put any effort into debunking anything
[14:37] <cosmic> you asked me a question, and I answered it
[14:37] <obany> but why do you join this channel then ?
[14:37] <cosmic> now you want to make out I am on some crusade
[14:37] <obany> i don't say that I only ask why do you join this channel then
[14:37] <raincity> good question.
[14:37] <obany> or is that a question that i am not allowed to ask you or so ?
[14:38] <cosmic> I like to think about things
[14:38] <cosmic> and I like to think about what nancy says
[14:39] <cosmic> you don't have to be hostile toward me
[14:40] <miguel> good night
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[14:40] <cosmic> if you don't want to know the answer to a question, don't ask it
[14:40] <obany> i am not hostile ... as long as you behave ... no problem
[14:40] <cosmic> I am not preparing for may, that's a fact
[14:41] <cosmic> face it, accept it, move on
[14:41] <obany> i am not like that, for me it's not like a dead wish
[14:42] <cosmic> what do you mean as long as I behave?
[14:42] <obany> to some rules, just no namecalling etc
[14:42] <cosmic> how arrogent
[14:42] <obany> arrogant what?
[14:43] <cosmic> how arrogant that you would tell me how to behave
[14:43] <cosmic> as if you are the better judge of behaviour
[14:44] <obany> there are just some rules, cosmic for this channel ...
[14:44] <obany> and i am not arrogant
[14:44] <cosmic> ok
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[15:24] <Buddha> byoingggg
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[15:52] <phoam> hey
[15:53] <raincity> hey
[15:54] <monk> hey
[15:54] <phoam> 10 more days until a new pic is shown..
[15:54] <monk> how do u know
[15:54] <raincity> a new px image?
[15:54] <phoam> yea
[15:55] <phoam> every 15th a new one is put, i think
[15:55] <raincity> are there coordinates for that time?
[15:56] <phoam> hmm i don't know.. i'll check the site again
[15:56] <phoam> all i know is that it is supposed to be about between us and the constellation Taurus
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[15:59] <obany> phoam: well there are coordinates for the 6th of december
[15:59] <obany> over here it's the 6th
[15:59] <obany> almost 1:00am friday morning
[15:59] <phoam> it's the 5th here, 5:59 pm
[15:59] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03m.htm
[16:00] <phoam> i don't know where to find it on the site
[16:00] <obany> see the url
[16:00] <obany> i just gave
[16:00] <phoam> oh
[16:00] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword032.htm
[16:00] <phoam> what is "RA" in RA 4.435345 whatever
[16:01] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03t.htm to convert
[16:02] <phoam> why is it measuring hours? hours from what? what we see is that many hours difference from the actual?
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[16:04] <phoam> awesome now i can probably calculate it's speed..
[16:04] <obany> phoam: that's a way of pointing it out, i am not a astronmer or so ..
[16:05] <phoam> seems like it came closer.. then recently it went a little back
[16:06] <phoam> or side to side.. really heh
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