Session Start: Sat Dec 07 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[01:42] <Himitsu> it's me
[01:44] <tied2> hi me
[01:44] <Himitsu> hi other me!
[01:49] <Himitsu> whats up tied?
[01:52] <tied2> not much eating soup :-0
[01:55] <Himitsu> about time to eat dinner here too
[02:00] <tied2> it's breakfast for me
[02:01] <Himitsu> mmm
[02:01] <Himitsu> getting hungry
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[04:18] <scooby> *yawn
[04:22] <scooby> happy 4:20
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[06:02] <freax> dont shoot!
[06:03] <freax> my isp nella networks carked it this afternoon
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[06:03] <freax> from what i know its been off the line since yesterday arvo
[06:03] <freax> probably too many script kiddies on their new adsl
[06:06] <Himitsu> hiya
[06:07] <freax> heya
[06:15] <Himitsu> freax: did you see that distributed.net has a new contest?
[06:16] <freax> heh, i dont care about distrubted.net no more
[06:16] <freax> what's it about anyhoo?
[06:16] <Himitsu> rc5-72
[06:17] <freax> oh yippie =P
[06:17] <Himitsu> lol
[06:17] <freax> woot, that dude got his ass whipped
[06:18] <Himitsu> what dude?
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[06:18] <freax> oh a dude that attacked me in hyperiums
[06:20] <Himitsu> cool
[06:20] <Himitsu> who spanked him?
[06:20] <freax> jurian hyperiums and me
[06:20] <vernm> when is 22:00 utc/gmt?
[06:20] <freax> what timezone are you in?
[06:21] <vernm> cst it is 8:22 am
[06:21] <freax> just a second
[06:21] <vernm> thanks
[06:21] <vernm> i tried looking on web but could not find it
[06:22] <freax> well it is 14:22 UTC now
[06:22] <freax> so
[06:22] <vernm> thanks alot:)
[06:22] <freax> they'res 8 hours difference
[06:22] <freax> just add 8 hours to your time
[06:22] <vernm> great thanks:)
[06:22] <freax> no problem
[06:22] <freax> so it'll be 3pm for you
[06:22] <freax> 22:00 UTC is 3pm for you
[06:23] <vernm> cool see you then:)
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[06:23] <freax> or 16:00 hours
[06:23] <freax> heh, they take and they go
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[06:25] <freax> man Jurian
[06:25] <freax> you're armies asses were whipped
[06:25] <freax> big time
[06:25] <freax> =(
[06:26] <freax> thanks for defending me buddie ! =D
[06:26] <Himitsu> Jurian lost?
[06:26] <freax> no
[06:26] <JurAFK> 175 out of 200 armies were killed :p
[06:26] <freax> i know
[06:26] <freax> =P
[06:26] <freax> thats a big ass loss man
[06:26] <JurAFK> yah
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[06:27] <JurAFK> 52.5M worth :p
[06:27] <freax> quite!
[06:27] <freax> good lord
[06:27] <freax> how are you going to make /that/ up?
[06:27] <freax> err how in hell am i gonna make that up =P
[06:28] <JurAFK> by not spending cash for 2 cashticks :p
[06:28] <JurAFK> anyway.. I'm gonna go play fallout 2 :p
[06:28] <freax> but i just did...
[06:28] <freax> mmm
[06:28] <freax> whats fallout 2 like?
[06:28] <JurAFK> its cool :p
[06:28] <freax> good graphs?
[06:28] <JurAFK> post nuclear world war RPG
[06:28] <freax> ooh
[06:28] <JurAFK> graphics are ok
[06:28] <freax> i love those kind of games
[06:29] <JurAFK> yeah
[06:29] <JurAFK> fallout, fallout 2, and fallout tactics: brotherhood of steel
[06:29] <JurAFK> all kick ass :p
[06:29] <JurAFK> anyway, afk, gaming! :)
[06:29] <freax> mm
[06:29] <freax> catch you
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[06:43] <freax> holy crap!
[06:44] <freax> holy crap holy crap holy crap
[06:44] <freax> i just beat an alpha 21264A
[06:44] <Blackwing> what is that?
[06:44] <z> that is just plain crap.. that Bush is a shapeshifter etc
[06:45] <freax> with an athlon 1ghz 256kb cache, the alpha 21264A has 4MB cache!
[06:45] <Blackwing> sweet
[06:45] <freax> i overclocked the fsb to 138mhz instead of the standard 133mhz
[06:45] <freax> and it whipped the arse out of every computer on the setispy list
[06:46] <freax> its holding at 2.63CpF
[06:46] <Blackwing> CpF?
[06:46] <freax> well they always said that a good fsb means a shitload to seti =)
[06:46] <freax> mmm
[06:46] <freax> cpu cycles per flop
[06:46] <freax> lower is better...
[06:47] <freax> *reads off of setispy* =P
[06:47] <freax> ill give you a pic
[06:47] <Blackwing> no more seti for me
[06:47] <freax> that is if my site is still up
[06:47] <freax> oh pish posh
[06:48] <Himitsu> going to stick with dnet for a while
[06:48] <freax> you know you wanna do it
[06:48] <freax> hehe
[06:48] <Blackwing> did it
[06:48] <Blackwing> I have 2500 wu
[06:48] <Blackwing> I think
[06:48] <Blackwing> somewhere around there
[06:48] <freax> ive got about 2100 wu
[06:49] <freax> holy shit, 400.97 megaflops!
[06:49] <Himitsu> I was wrong, 2709 wu finished
[06:50] <freax> mmm, 237 wu here
[06:50] <freax> 2147 hours done
[06:50] <freax> *grins*
[06:50] <Himitsu> Results Received 2709
[06:50] <Himitsu> Total CPU Time 3.447 years
[06:50] <Himitsu> Average CPU Time per work unit 11 hr 08 min 42.7 sec
[06:50] <Himitsu> Average results received per day 2.08
[06:50] <Himitsu> Last result returned: Sat Dec 7 08:17:14 2002 UTC
[06:50] <Himitsu> Registered on: Fri May 14 00:17:49 1999 UTC
[06:50] <Himitsu>   View Registration Class
[06:50] <Himitsu> SETI@home user for: 3.572 years
[06:51] <Blackwing> buffing
[06:51] <freax> yep
[06:52] <Blackwing> Summer, want me to make fellow?
[06:52] <Blackwing> k
[06:53] <Blackwing> k
[06:54] <Himitsu> Your rank out of 4128929 total users is: 47858th place.
[06:54] <Himitsu> The number of users who have this rank: 27
[06:54] <Himitsu> You have completed more work units than 98.840% of our users.
[06:55] <freax> hehe
[06:55] <freax> long way to go dude
[06:55] <Blackwing> for what?
[06:55] <freax> Himitsu
[06:55] <Blackwing> I am Himitsu
[06:55] <Blackwing> hehe
[06:55] <freax> thought as much
[06:55] <Himitsu> Blackwing I am
[06:56] <Blackwing> I am in a game right now, and I installed an irc client into it
[06:56] <Blackwing> so I can hunt, and bs at the same time
[06:56] <freax> hehe
[06:56] <freax> what game?
[06:56] <Blackwing> pretty cool actually
[06:56] <Blackwing> asheron's call
[06:57] <Blackwing> check my client version
[06:57] <Blackwing> heh
[06:57] <freax> how many computers would you need for a competetive edge in rc5-72?
[06:57] <Blackwing> a  lot
[06:57] <freax> dircal?
[06:57] <freax> hehe
[06:57] <Blackwing> lots of admins do it, they have crap loads of machines
[06:57] <freax> RC5-64 Finished! On 14-Jul-2002, after 1757 days of searching the winning key to RSA Labs' RC5-64 project was successfully recovered by distributed.net. 0x63DE7DC154F4D039 was returned by a P3-450 in Japan running Windows 2000.
[06:58] <Blackwing> I thought for a minute it was me when I read that
[06:58] <Blackwing> heheh
[06:58] <freax> hehe
[06:59] <freax> man a program GUESSING the key could have fucking beated that =P
[06:59] <Blackwing> k
[06:59] <Blackwing> not sos sure
[06:59] <Blackwing> it was a lot of keys to check
[07:00] <freax> how about if i made up 7 athlon 1800+ computers on cheap ass mini-boards and mini-cases and booted em all off of bootp with 128mb ram
[07:01] <freax> now that would be a sweet ass motherfucking cruncher =D
[07:01] <freax> reckon id have a competetive edge then?
[07:01] * freax grins
[07:01] <Blackwing> maybe
[07:01] <Blackwing> heh
[07:02] <freax> too bad id only get $2000 AUD for it though
[07:02] <freax> if i won
[07:02] <freax> although if i won it while not on a team id get around $6000
[07:02] <freax> those are AUD figures
[07:02] <freax> err
[07:02] <freax> wait a minute it'd be $4000 AUD =P
[07:03] <freax> or would it
[07:03] <freax> no
[07:03] <freax> err yes
[07:03] <freax> thats right
[07:03] <freax> not bad for around $600 per machine
[07:03] <freax> 7 x 600
[07:04] <freax> 7x600
[07:04] <freax> 7 * 600
[07:04] * freax kicks z
[07:04] <freax> $4200 anyhoo
[07:04] <freax> that'd be a killer if those were 64bit chips
[07:05] <Blackwing> 7 times 600
[07:05] <z> 4200
[07:05] <freax> doing maths from a game eh?
[07:05] <freax> did it take a hit on your cpu? *grins*
[07:05] <Blackwing> using z
[07:05] <freax> mmm
[07:06] <freax> send z you're games math problems =P
[07:07] <[3j]> 1 + 1
[07:07] <[3j]> it cant compute that, too hard :(
[07:07] <freax> 0x63DE7DC154F4D039
[07:07] <freax> mmm
[07:07] <Blackwing> ?
[07:08] <freax> the winning key for rc5-64
[07:09] <freax> cant believe thats been going since friggen 1998 =P
[07:09] <Blackwing> lol
[07:09] <Blackwing> imagine how long 72 is going to go
[07:09] <freax> quite
[07:09] <freax> 7 years this time?
[07:09] <freax> instead of 5.
[07:10] <Blackwing> cpus are getting pretty fast
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[07:10] <freax> mmm
[07:10] <freax> dont buy an amd k8
[07:10] <freax> go for an intel, at least the intel p5 dosent emulate 32bit
[07:11] <freax> it will be pure 64bit
[07:11] <Blackwing> getting a dual athlong next
[07:11] <freax> and get a business server class chip
[07:11] <BoY> .
[07:11] <freax> one that has the pins going right to the centre
[07:14] <freax> hehe, maybe when im in a career ill setup a fuckload of rackmount intel 64bit p5's in the future just to mess with the guys of rc5
[07:18] <Blackwing> lol
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[08:00] <freax> man this firewall is weird
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[08:19] <Himitsu> what firewall is wierd?
[08:19] <freax> sygate
[08:20] <freax> give the router software permission to access the internet, and all access is cut off
[08:20] <freax> set the irc server to accept in the firewall and it still dosent work
[08:21] <freax> local access to the web is ok though
[08:21] <freax> just that all remote access is cut off
[08:25] <Himitsu> wierd
[08:26] <freax> quite, think i might turn back to an ethernet modem
[08:27] <freax> for the adsl or satellite that is eventually never going to eventually arrive maybe
[08:27] <Himitsu> lol
[08:27] <Himitsu> how much is satellite?
[08:28] <freax> dont ask =P
[08:28] <freax> think its around $400
[08:28] <freax> for the setup
[08:28] <freax> at around $140 for one way 400kbit/3.6kbyte uplink
[08:28] <freax> per month
[08:29] <freax> AUD figures
[08:29] <freax> at around 3gig download limit
[08:29] <freax> sucks to be me dont it
[08:29] <Himitsu> no
[08:30] <freax> aww why not? i suck =P
[08:30] <Himitsu> lol
[08:30] <freax> so does using my free isp again while my paid for service gets the whipping by some 12 year old jacking off on porn
[08:30] <freax> at 3:31am on a weekend
[08:31] <freax> fucking turds
[08:31] <Himitsu> what happened?
[08:31] <freax> 1/10 modem/user ratio my ass
[08:31] <freax> who the fuck would sign up so many users to one modem
[08:31] <freax> about 90% of australian isp's thats who
[08:32] <freax> oh i connect, the modem verifys connectability, then i get cut off when it attempts to verify
[08:32] <freax> well it trys to verify but the server times out, probably because its under load
[08:33] <freax> inadequate system for a fucking modem bank thats larger than it
[08:34] <Himitsu> call them and give them hell
[08:34] <freax> hehe, i cant
[08:34] <freax> although id love to
[08:34] <Himitsu> why can't you?
[08:34] <freax> im under an AUP policy as it is
[08:34] <freax> if you give them hell about their service they /can/ ban you for life from the isp
[08:34] <freax> that means no adsl no satellite nothing
[08:35] <Himitsu> call and ask why you can't connect
[08:35] <Himitsu> be nice
[08:35] <Himitsu> just ask questions
[08:35] <freax> no ive wasted 20 phone calls as it fucking is
[08:35] <freax> and im only supposed to make one call a day
[08:36] <freax> they classify it as an excessive load on their customer support line anyway, and thats a no-no under the AUP = acceptable use policy
[08:36] <Himitsu> lame
[08:36] <freax> the AUP has been adopted from dialup to 1.5mbit adsl
[08:36] <freax> and the isp's are fucking laughing their asses off
[08:36] <freax> the government
[08:36] <z> the government is so removed from the people...
[08:36] <freax> does nothing, as usual
[08:37] <freax> the ACCC which is supposed to monitor and rectify problems like this, gets payoffs from telstra aka government
[08:37] <freax> telstra owns all the lines, all the cables
[08:37] <freax> in essence the government owns all communications in this country
[08:38] <freax> except for radio/wlan
[08:39] <freax> most of the loosers around here dont have anything to share over wlan anyway =P
[08:39] <freax> you need to go to metro sydney or metro perth or metro melbourne for anything decent, connection wise
[08:39] <freax> brisbane i heared is going down the plug aswell
[08:39] <freax> along with newcastle (my home town)
[08:40] <freax> brb using facilities
[08:47] <freax> http://www.g-news.ch/articles/nhp200nc/
[08:47] <freax> what a waste
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[08:55] <FunBot> [obany] <-- Coffee, tea, fish and internet addict!
[08:55] <freax> hey obany
[08:55] <freax> do zetans have computers?
[08:57] <freax> they got 3 1/2 mil free? i want a loan
[08:57] <freax> http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?cid=70636
[08:57] <freax> its actually about $3,740,000 USD
[08:58] <freax> the $135 is negotiable
[08:59] <freax> wonder if those things come in kits
[08:59] <obany> freax:  i think  they would have comps... but not as we know them .... much mor complex i think .. and way better
[08:59] <freax> would be a killer of the power bill
[09:00] <freax> mmm
[09:00] <freax> i was gonna ask nancy if they were silicon based or genetic based
[09:00] <freax> or some other form
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[09:14] <freax> 71.50 times 20
[09:14] <z> 1430
[09:14] <freax> good lord
[09:15] <freax> ok
[09:15] <freax> think reasonable
[09:15] <freax> 71.50 times 10
[09:15] <z> 715
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[09:15] <freax> 143.00 times 10
[09:15] <z> 1430
[09:15] <freax> doh, i knew that
[09:16] <Himitsu> lol
[09:16] <freax> im making a cluster Himitsu
[09:16] <Himitsu> a seti farm?
[09:16] <freax> 10 amd xp's with 128mb pc-133 ram
[09:16] <freax> each
[09:16] <freax> well, maybe
[09:16] <freax> *grins*
[09:16] <Himitsu> going to be a little expensive
[09:16] <Himitsu> maybe it will find planet x
[09:16] <freax> cases and psu's are going to be my highest prices
[09:16] <Himitsu> hehe
[09:16] <freax> heh, doubtful =P
[09:17] <freax> maybe i'll make a custom main power supply
[09:17] <freax> and boot everything off of bootp
[09:17] <freax> to cut out hard drives
[09:17] <Himitsu> was thinking about taking an equipment rack from work and mounting all my mobos on it without cases
[09:17] <freax> this is the motherboard im gonna use
[09:17] <freax> http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/show_product_info.php?code=MB-AA604
[09:17] <freax> has all that i need
[09:17] <freax> onboard video/ethernet
[09:17] <freax> no need for extras
[09:18] <freax> just put 10 of em in a nice case, feed em fuckloads of DC power, plug in a stick of pc-133 and walla
[09:18] <Himitsu> I don't much care for onboard video
[09:18] <freax> well its supposed to be a cluster dude, all that the video is gonna be used for is text
[09:18] <Himitsu> makes things easier, but upgrading becomes an issue
[09:18] <freax> command line text
[09:18] <Himitsu> yeah, but still
[09:18] <freax> not relaly
[09:19] <freax> the board is supported with ddr ram
[09:19] <freax> up to 2gig
[09:19] <Himitsu> might be shooting yourself in the foot later on
[09:19] <freax> god knows what the maximum supported XP chip is
[09:19] <freax> there's those small 143watt psu's for mini-cases, maybe ill use them
[09:19] <freax> they support the amd xp chips
[09:20] <freax> $88 for a 180watt psu
[09:20] <freax> http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/show_product_info.php?code=CA-OEPSA180
[09:20] <freax> 88 times 10
[09:20] <z> 880
[09:20] <freax> duh
[09:21] <Himitsu> http://www.dirtcheapdrives.com/Itemdesc.asp?CartId={D0F8FF54-65FB-4569-8390-9C2418E54C20}&ic=S2468GN&Tp=
[09:21] <Himitsu> might get that
[09:21] <Himitsu> might actually get a pair of them
[09:21] <freax> so thats, 880 plus 715 plus 1430
[09:21] <freax> 880 plus 715 plus 1430
[09:21] <z> 3025
[09:21] <freax> groovy
[09:21] <freax> damn i forgot chips
[09:21] <freax> and coolers
[09:21] <freax> but not bad for a cluster =P
[09:22] <freax> 3025 plus 2090
[09:22] <z> 5115
[09:22] <freax> mmm
[09:23] <freax> good, ill start early 2004
[09:24] <Himitsu> actually, isn't the current seti program about to end?
[09:25] <Himitsu> I think seti@home II is in the planning stages
[09:25] <Himitsu> using a radio telescope down there in Oz
[09:25] <freax> mmm, yes but the dishes havent been built yet
[09:25] <freax> not just one
[09:25] <freax> quite a few
[09:25] <freax> think its 108 dishes
[09:25] <freax> not sure
[09:25] <Himitsu> the scope in Oz is built
[09:25] <freax> 6foot
[09:25] <Himitsu> been in use for a long time
[09:25] <freax> err
[09:25] <freax> not the seti 2 one
[09:25] <Himitsu> you are talking about the 1HA scope
[09:26] <freax> the one in victoria has
[09:26] <Himitsu> 1 hectacre scope
[09:26] <freax> yes
[09:26] <Himitsu> that is being made up in north California
[09:26] <freax> what the hell are you talking about?
[09:26] <freax> oh i thought that was being built in australia
[09:26] <Himitsu> nope
[09:26] <freax> which one are they building in australia?
[09:26] <Himitsu> none
[09:26] <Himitsu> there already is one there
[09:26] <Himitsu> been there a long time
[09:27] <Himitsu> sec
[09:27] <freax> well which one are they utilising
[09:27] <freax> stop saying been there a long time
[09:27] <Himitsu> right now, or in II?
[09:27] <freax> its the something park observatory
[09:27] <freax> err parkes observatory
[09:27] <Himitsu> parkes
[09:27] <freax> *probably*
[09:27] <freax> so they've got the parkes one
[09:27] <Himitsu> http://www.parkes.atnf.csiro.au/
[09:28] <freax> hmm, too bad i was gonna highjack it =P
[09:28] <freax> mmm
[09:28] <Himitsu> lol
[09:28] <Himitsu> I'll help
[09:28] <freax> thats been in multiple movies =)
[09:28] <freax> the dish, some kid spy flick and some other one
[09:28] <Himitsu> so has the Aricebo
[09:28] <freax> well of course
[09:28] <freax> arecibo's been in contact =P
[09:29] <freax> among many others
[09:29] <freax> my favouritte movie
[09:29] <Himitsu> it was a good book too
[09:29] <Himitsu> Carl always wrote good books
[09:29] <freax> catch
[09:30] <Himitsu> too bad he died
[09:30] <freax> get the file?
[09:30] <Himitsu> sweet pic
[09:31] <Himitsu> yep
[09:31] <freax> thanks
[09:31] <Himitsu> I want to build that in my backyard
[09:31] <Himitsu> ty for the pic
[09:31] <freax> nah
[09:31] <freax> just get a shitload of mini-dishes and wire em up for multiple work
[09:31] <Himitsu> lol
[09:31] <freax> much more effective
[09:32] <Himitsu> you took that picture?
[09:32] <freax> the aligners are killers
[09:32] <freax> nah
[09:32] <freax> never been to parkes
[09:32] <freax> that was one i managed to grab one night on the web
[09:32] <freax> loong time back
[09:32] <freax> nice pic huh? =P
[09:32] <Himitsu> yep
[09:32] <Himitsu> makes me want an antenna like that
[09:33] <freax> its /obsolete/ man
[09:33] <freax> =P
[09:33] <Himitsu> still works
[09:33] <freax> go for 2 x 24 foot dishes in space on each side of the earth
[09:33] <freax> make the entire width of the earth a parabolic
[09:33] <freax> mmm
[09:34] <Himitsu> I wonder how fast a zeta computer would do a work unit?
[09:34] <Himitsu> hehe
[09:34] <freax> work unit? what work unit? oh that one i done earlier...
[09:35] <freax> that was a computer joke
[09:35] <Himitsu> seti work unit
[09:35] <freax> btw
[09:35] <freax> not me
[09:35] <Himitsu> lol
[09:35] <freax> saying that
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[09:35] <TWright> hello
[09:35] <z> hola, TWright
[09:35] <freax> hoi hoi TWright
[09:35] <Himitsu> hi
[09:35] <z> hola, Himitsu
[09:35] <Himitsu> hi z
[09:35] <TWright> i'm brand new to this
[09:35] <z> hey, Himitsu
[09:35] <TWright> don't normally use irc
[09:35] * freax drools virgin
[09:35] <Himitsu> lol
[09:36] <freax> mmm
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[09:36] <TWright> so what's the current topic?
[09:36] <freax> well welcome to the worst experience you'll ever have you're entire life
[09:36] <TWright> hi fetus
[09:36] <fetus> hello
[09:36] <z> bonjour, fetus
[09:36] <TWright> why's it the worst?
[09:36] <freax> TWright: irc sucks, it beats you up, and spits your emotional guts on the floor...
[09:37] <TWright> sounds like fun
[09:37] <TWright> i guess
[09:37] <freax> TWright: ive since been an emotional wreck since i started it 2 years ago
[09:37] <TWright> why is that?
[09:37] <TWright> because of this chat?
[09:37] <freax> because you cant make long term friends
[09:37] <TWright> i see
[09:37] <freax> no ive only been in here for about 5 months
[09:38] <TWright> so was everyone directed here by www.zetatalk.com?
[09:38] <freax> mostly...
[09:38] <freax> i should think
[09:38] <Himitsu> to recruit you
[09:38] <TWright> so everyone is aware of the 2003 idea
[09:38] <freax> in here, yes
[09:38] <obany> I am yes
[09:38] <freax> most of em anyway
[09:38] <TWright> i figured
[09:38] <TWright> just making sure
[09:38] <freax> except for FunBot and z
[09:38] <freax> they're turd heads
[09:38] <TWright> haha
[09:39] <Himitsu> but z is good at math
[09:39] <freax> oh and ChanServ
[09:39] <Himitsu> aren't you z?
[09:39] <obany> but there are some debunkers here ... himitsu for example ... that those who take zetatalk serious well belong to a cult that will take kool-aid
[09:39] <freax> nancy?
[09:39] <z> nancy is an unsurpassed beauty, she is the ultimate sexy woman, she should win the prize for the hottest person on earth and zeta reticuli. Unlike *you* freax
[09:39] <Himitsu> yep, himitsu
[09:39] <freax> nancyl?
[09:39] <z> i think nancyl is someone that has ruined countless lives
[09:39] <obany> but then himitus is a bit of an ass on occasion
[09:39] <TWright> yeah the one problem with chats is that no one is what they seem
[09:39] <Himitsu> and kool aid tastes great doesn't it obany?
[09:40] <freax> yeah Himitsu what you doing that for, *snickers*
[09:40] <Himitsu> I guess I am a bit of an ass
[09:40] <obany> Himitsu: get lost
[09:40] <Himitsu> obany says so anyway
[09:40] <Himitsu> lol
[09:40] <freax> nah, debunkers are alright, if you rename them opposers and slap on a new label
[09:40] <TWright> does the kool aid have to do with skeptical mind?
[09:40] <Himitsu> not sure
[09:40] <freax> what the hell is 'kool-aid' anyway?
[09:40] <TWright> what's the deal with kool aid?
[09:40] <Himitsu> a kids drink
[09:41] <TWright> it's a drink
[09:41] <TWright> for kids
[09:41] <Himitsu> right obany?
[09:41] <obany> It's not a kids drink
[09:41] <TWright> well,...
[09:41] <TWright> obany is right
[09:41] <freax> err
[09:41] <TWright> anyone can drink it
[09:41] <Himitsu> www.koolaid.com
[09:41] <TWright> anyway....
[09:41] <freax> and what diddly iddly piece of relevance does it have to this?
[09:41] <TWright> the kool-aid man is on skepticalmind.com
[09:41] <Himitsu> lol
[09:41] <freax> ahh
[09:41] <TWright> the site that is all too determined to disprove the 2003 theory
[09:42] <TWright> i wonder why they put so much effort into it?
[09:42] <Himitsu> 2003 will disprove it
[09:42] <freax> so the people in here called 'debunkers' are /all/ labeled in retrospect of what ONE person does on skepticalmind.com, right?
[09:42] <TWright> if something is really just a conspiracy....
[09:42] <Himitsu> it doesn't need that website to do it
[09:42] <TWright> why try so hard to disprove it
[09:42] <TWright> it would disprove itself
[09:42] <Himitsu> it will
[09:42] <freax> only if the disopposition is there
[09:42] <TWright> and when the time comes we'll see
[09:43] <TWright> but to argue beforehand is senseless
[09:43] <TWright> the idea is to unite....
[09:43] <TWright> not bicker about whether the end is near
[09:43] <freax> if it isnt, which has been disabled by baning and circling the 'followers' from  the 'debunkers'
[09:43] <TWright> a lot of people are missing the point
[09:43] <freax> are you that annoying dude who presses enter too much/
[09:43] <freax> ?
[09:43] <freax> hmm
[09:43] <freax> are
[09:43] <freax> you?
[09:44] <TWright> me?
[09:44] <TWright> sorry
[09:44] <TWright> i'll stop if that bothers you
[09:44] <freax> im not asking you to shut up, im asking you to compact your speech a little...
[09:44] <TWright> ok, i've just gotten used to doing that, i didn't realize it bothered anyone
[09:45] <TWright> thanks for saying something
[09:45] <freax> it gets quite annoying when the person who has an opinion biases the conversation by scrolling the other persons text off of the screen, so then /No/ one can read it then
[09:46] <TWright> understood
[09:47] <Himitsu> hey obany, I a still here
[09:47] <Himitsu> but I don't feel lost
[09:48] <Himitsu> so if px doesn't show up, are you going to drink kool aid?
[09:48] <fetus> himitsu...shut up
[09:48] <Himitsu> nope
[09:48] <Himitsu> I don't really feel the need to shut up when somebody calls me an ass
[09:49] <TWright> could you elaborate on the kool-aid Himitsu?
[09:49] <fetus> hmm...maybe you are one..
[09:49] <Himitsu> well, because of a cult run by Jim Jones
[09:49] <Himitsu> somebody made the comparison between it and nancy's
[09:49] <Himitsu> and you know what happened to Jim and hes crew with koolaid...
[09:50] <freax> and what relevance did jim jones have with kool aid? for the rest of us...
[09:50] <Himitsu> hhm, so articulate fetus, is that the only way to deal with opposition?
[09:50] <freax> other than killing 900 people
[09:50] <Himitsu> tell them to shut u?
[09:50] <TWright> what defines a cult?
[09:50] <Himitsu> good question
[09:50] <freax> the dictionary meaning of cult defines it
[09:50] <freax> look it up =P
[09:51] <TWright> but many don't go by the true definition
[09:51] <TWright> it's often used out of context
[09:51] <Himitsu> cult   Audio pronunciation of cult ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (klt)
[09:51] <Himitsu> n.
[09:51] <Himitsu>    1.
[09:51] <Himitsu>          1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
[09:51] <Himitsu>          2. The followers of such a religion or sect.
[09:51] <freax> here's the general most widely used meaning
[09:51] <freax> damn
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[09:51] <Himitsu> sounds reasonable to me
[09:51] <freax> you with you're broadband!
[09:51] <freax> damn you to hell!
[09:51] <Himitsu> lol
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[09:51] <freax> =P
[09:51] <Himitsu> I hate me
[09:51] <freax> nah
[09:51] <Himitsu> of course, I am an ass right obany?
[09:52] <freax> stop teasing the animals Himitsu
[09:52] <Himitsu> just playing
[09:52] <TWright> i'm not bound to any cult, yet i see a possibility for truth in the px passing in 2003
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[09:53] <Himitsu> if you want to see the possibility, go look through a scope and see if it is there
[09:53] <TWright> i plan to
[09:53] <Himitsu> good!
[09:53] <Himitsu> I did
[09:53] <TWright> when it's close enough to see
[09:53] <Himitsu> should be close enough now if it is mag 11
[09:53] <TWright> why don't observatories point their scopes in that direction?
[09:53] <Himitsu> like nancy said it was
[09:54] <freax> well considering it already is according to the notes laid down by the zetans...
[09:54] <TWright> i don't live by nancy
[09:54] <Himitsu> because they are busy with important and worth while research
[09:54] <TWright> or the so called zetans
[09:54] <Himitsu> good for you TWright!
[09:54] <Himitsu> yay!
[09:54] <fetus> himitsu...you dont see the big picture do you...your just caught up in all the zeta babble...open your eyes..
[09:54] <TWright> i like to do my own homework
[09:54] <freax> wtf
[09:54] <Himitsu> they are open
[09:55] <freax> well not exactly
[09:55] <Himitsu> and I open them and use a scope too
[09:55] <fetus> :)
[09:55] <TWright> i hope your scope suits you when revelations is upon us
[09:55] <TWright> whenever that may be3
[09:55] <TWright> *be
[09:55] <freax> Himitsu: are you taking the accord of other people who are undecided in the relevance of zetatalk/
[09:55] <Himitsu> there is no relevance
[09:55] <freax> Himitsu: or are you reading what is being said and making you're own personal opinion upon it
[09:56] <freax> Himitsu: proove that to me
[09:56] <Himitsu> don't ask me to prove it, do what TWright is doing. look through a scope and make your own decision!
[09:56] <Himitsu> and apply common sense
[09:57] <freax> TWright: please dont use the word 'revelations' in here, its too religious, and the relevance of zetatalk in there being a god and a satan, it simply rules them out into sentient beings, not holy beings of worship and godliness who created 'everything' in the universe
[09:57] <Himitsu> aliens don't implant their dna into people and commune with them
[09:57] <freax> if you are here, you disbelieve in god being the creator of the universe
[09:57] <TWright> ok, sorry, i am definitely not part of any religous sect
[09:57] <TWright> nor am i christian
[09:57] <TWright> i appologize
[09:57] <freax> hehe
[09:57] <freax> meh
[09:58] <TWright> meh?
[09:58] <Himitsu> tell me the big picture fetus
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[09:58] <Himitsu> if it isn't zeta bable what is it?
[09:58] <freax> well i wanted to make that comment, because people in here who are becoming newly informed about all of this are taking people who believe in 'it' as religious and EEEVILL...
[09:58] <TWright> hi howmo
[09:58] <Howmo> Howdy
[09:58] <freax> far too early...
[09:58] <fetus> the world around us is changing dramaticly...physicly and politcaly
[09:58] <TWright> haha
[09:59] <TWright> correct fetus
[09:59] <Himitsu> gee, like politics isn't constantly changing
[09:59] <Himitsu> the world is always changing
[09:59] <fetus> himitsu...you must be 14
[09:59] <fetus> maybe younger
[09:59] <Howmo> Religious AND evil- what a concept!
[09:59] <Himitsu> yeah, insults make a good point
[10:00] <Himitsu> I think most 14 year olds I know would know better than to buy into your bs
[10:00] <fetus> twas no insult
[10:00] <TWright> the pot and the kettle
[10:00] <Himitsu> so how old are you? 12
[10:00] <Himitsu> ?
[10:00] <freax> fetus: yes, it is, but it is probably because of some other cause, like the increase of volcanic activity recently has created ozone layer depletion
[10:00] <Howmo> What increase?
[10:00] <TWright> so himitsu...you return it with another insult
[10:00] <TWright> you're sinking yourself
[10:00] <Himitsu> nope, just asking a question
[10:01] <fetus> haha...its hopless in here...continue to debate the topic...its fun for you, i can tell.
[10:01] <freax> fetus: for example, solar flares cut out electricity, and people think they /arent/ affecting our planet?
[10:01] <Himitsu> lots of things are fun. if it wasn't so cloudy outside I would be using my scope
[10:01] <freax> Himitsu: settle
[10:01] <Howmo> Can you make that connection, freax?
[10:02] <Howmo> Just because one thing happens, doesn't mean another does.
[10:02] <freax> which connectioN/
[10:02] <TWright> how do the solar flares relate to the seismic increas?
[10:02] <freax> the one between solar flares and electrical cutout or solar flares and volcanic increase?
[10:02] <Howmo> Between Solar flares and any other effect.
[10:02] <Howmo> I mean electrical problems.
[10:02] <freax> one person at a time
[10:02] <Himitsu> what volcanic increase?
[10:02] <freax> Howmo first, TWright 2nd
[10:03] <TWright> the one on earth
[10:03] <TWright> ok
[10:03] <Howmo> You said: how can people think it doesn't affect the planet.
[10:03] <Howmo> That doesn't necessarily follwo.
[10:03] <freax> Howmo: http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/gen-comm/info-notices/1990/in90042.html
[10:04] <Howmo> Please tell what that says.
[10:04] <freax> On March 13, 1989, an exceptionally strong geomagnetic storm caused major
[10:04] <freax> damage to electrical power equipment in Canada, Scandinavia, and the United
[10:04] <freax> States.  The greatest damage occurred in Canada, where the Hydro-Quebec
[10:04] <freax> extra high voltage (EHV) transmission system experienced seven static
[10:04] <freax> compensator trips, causing system instability and tripping of lines carrying
[10:04] <Howmo> generrally
[10:04] <freax> power to Montreal from hydroelectric generating facilities at James Bay.
[10:04] <freax> Automatic load-shedding was not able to offset the loss, and within a few
[10:04] <freax> seconds, frequency and voltage excursions occurred throughout the rest of
[10:04] <freax> t
[10:04] <fetus> see you all this afternoon im sure...sorry for the insults himitsu :)...your entitled to your opinion as much as anyone else.
[10:04] <freax> the rest of
[10:04] <freax> the system resulting in total blackout of the Hydro-Quebec system.
[10:04] <Himitsu> np fetus, I'll be sleeping though
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[10:04] <Howmo> Yes, all of that happens, BUT yuou said that it implies OTHER effects.
[10:05] <Himitsu> see obany, I am not that much of an ass
[10:05] <freax> give me time damitt
[10:06] <freax> Howmo: stop using caps =P, it reminds me of nancy =P
[10:06] <Himitsu> ack
[10:06] <freax> you realise how annoying caps CAN be?
[10:06] <TWright> what is your point freax?
[10:06] <TWright> others don't care
[10:06] <TWright> carry on
[10:06] <TWright> with what you were saying
[10:07] <freax> you also realise what mental effect a generalised point transferred THROUGH caps can do?
[10:07] <TWright> caps place emphasis
[10:07] <freax> caps place annoyance and YELLING
[10:07] <Howmo> No.
[10:07] <TWright> only to you
[10:07] <TWright> but that's not the point
[10:07] <freax> of course it isnt
[10:07] <TWright> go on with the solar flare topic
[10:07] <freax> you're jumping the gun
[10:07] <TWright> Howmo is waiting
[10:07] <freax> im looking for the informatio
[10:07] <TWright> ok
[10:07] <TWright> that's fine
[10:08] <freax> so shut the fuck up and stop complaining about my slow australian dialup, ok?
[10:08] <Howmo> Well, it isn't really about information..
[10:08] <TWright> i said nothing about your dial up
[10:08] <Howmo> I't's about what you said
[10:08] <Himitsu> take is easy freax
[10:08] <TWright> i was not insulting you
[10:08] <Howmo> ... about people *should* see how electrical effects mean other effects on the planet.
[10:09] <Howmo> That doesn't necessarily follow.
[10:09] <Howmo> It doesn't really make sense.
[10:09] <freax> These clouds often bring with them parts of the solar magnetic field
[10:09] <freax> and are often named a magnetic clouds. The charged particles
[10:09] <freax> and the magnetic fields will interact with the Earth's magnetic field
[10:09] <freax> when the magnetic clouds reach the Earth's orbit.
[10:10] <freax> http://zeus.nascom.nasa.gov/~pbrekke/sun-earth/nsa.doc
[10:10] <freax> During a geomagnetic storm the
[10:10] <freax> ionospheric currents, or electrojets, reach tens of thousands of amperes
[10:10] <freax> and produce fluctuations in the Earth's
[10:10] <freax> magnetic field.
[10:10] <freax> now what did nancy say about magnetic fields?
[10:10] <freax> just remember
[10:11] <TWright> i understand what you are saying about that
[10:11] <TWright> i then ask you
[10:11] <TWright> if i may
[10:11] <TWright> what, then is causing the increase in solar flares???
[10:11] <freax> the solar flares PEAKED between 1989 and 1991
[10:11] <Howmo> What increase?
[10:11] <freax> umm
[10:11] <freax> the sun is 1000 times larger than the earth, i think it has its own mind
[10:11] <TWright> if there is no increase....
[10:11] <freax> and planetx couldnt have that effect on the sun
[10:12] <freax> too small, id say
[10:12] <freax> besides
[10:12] <TWright> have you read the stats on planet x?
[10:12] <Howmo> Question: Are Solar flares tied to sunspost?
[10:12] <Howmo> spots
[10:12] <freax> nibiru is supposed to be just a bit further out than the earth
[10:12] <TWright> http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991756
[10:13] <freax> why isnt the earth effecting the sun in the same way you contimplate in which planetx is causing these effects?
[10:13] <TWright> nibiru has an eliptical orbit
[10:13] <freax> so?
[10:13] <z> so is, like, that dood from home alone
[10:13] <TWright> nibiru is much much larger than earth
[10:13] <freax> yes, but no fucking way is it anywhere near the size of the sun
[10:13] <freax> besides
[10:13] <TWright> doesn't have to be to affect it
[10:14] <TWright> there is a balance in our solar system, when a large planet enters it....it logically upsets that balance
[10:14] <freax> if these solar flares are happening right now when planetx is all the way out there, why hasnt the sun errupted in HUGE solar flare erruptions and burnt the earth in earlier instances of planetx passing?
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[10:14] <TWright> that has never happened
[10:14] <freax> of course it hasnt =P
[10:15] <TWright> study mayan or sumerian texts
[10:15] <freax> because it dosent exist
[10:15] <TWright> if you don't believe it exists, that is fine
[10:15] <TWright> i'm not here to convince you that it does
[10:15] <freax> no it isnt
[10:15] <freax> yes you are =P
[10:16] <TWright> i know enough about psychology to know it is impossible for me to convince you of that
[10:16] <TWright> especially through this chat program
[10:16] <freax> and so do i, of course
[10:16] <TWright> that would be ridiculous
[10:16] <freax> no no no
[10:17] <freax> the chat program has no relevance towards the mental effects upon another individual
[10:17] <Himitsu> why don't you just look through a telescope and prove it to yourself
[10:17] <TWright> yes, it varies between the individual
[10:17] <freax> its completely based upon the client user's ability to be changed in that way, eaisily or hard
[10:17] <TWright> not all people are drawn into chats
[10:17] <freax> im completley open minded, i have been so since i was 12 years of age
[10:17] <TWright> as you can see there are many just listening
[10:17] <TWright> with no desire to join in and argue
[10:18] <TWright> and now you are ?, if i may ask
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[10:18] <freax> no, you're using confusion and irrelevant facts that there are other people present inorder to change the topic
[10:18] <Himitsu> well, I can think of one that is leaving. I am sleepy and it is late for me
[10:18] <freax> using the ego you built up earlier by the line: [05:16] <TWright> i know enough about psychology to know it is impossible for me to convince you of that
[10:18] <TWright> that is quite the opposite of irrelevant
[10:19] <freax> inorder to create confusion
[10:19] <Himitsu> beside, I have to go to nasa tomorrow and get my paycheck
[10:19] <vernm> lol
[10:19] <TWright> nice that you picked up on that
[10:19] <freax> just like nancy has done and is doing
[10:19] <TWright> but how does that confuse you?
[10:19] <freax> it isnt, i realised that, therefore i am not confused anymore
[10:19] <TWright> it was meant to make me look bigger
[10:19] <TWright> was it not?
[10:20] <freax> not really
[10:20] <TWright> ok
[10:20] <TWright> just so you understand
[10:20] <freax> i havent posted an ego based realisation to the channel
[10:20] <TWright> now we can carry on
[10:20] <freax> you have
[10:20] <freax> =)
[10:20] <Himitsu> maybe somebody posted to sci.astro that needs to be nuked, let me check
[10:20] <TWright> and your solar flare comment?
[10:20] <TWright> that was not ego based?
[10:20] <freax> no, im incapable of it
[10:20] <freax> i was disproving a point of yours
[10:21] <TWright> what was that point
[10:21] <freax> not using ego inorder to move my point across
[10:21] <freax> i used facts...hehe
[10:21] <TWright> you hope
[10:21] <TWright> how do you know the document you displayed is truth?
[10:21] <freax> excuse me?
[10:21] <freax> how do you know im not you're mother? its irrelevant
[10:21] <Keats1> certainly its relevant
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[10:22] <vernm> i have question why do we need to look at it with a telescope to see it  is anyone who does not see it with there telescope part of the "coverup"?
[10:22] <TWright> if there was truly something like this happening, governments wouldn't admit that
[10:22] <Keats1> thats a strawman argument and you know it
[10:22] <TWright> so using any NASA documents is useless
[10:22] <freax> can you prove that TWright?
[10:22] <Howmo> Of course, vernm
[10:22] <freax> unlike i have just done?
[10:22] <TWright> can i prove what?
[10:22] <freax> Howmo: then go right ahead or SHUT THE FUCK UP
[10:22] <Keats1> he doesnt have to prove it, he is only showing the possibility
[10:22] <TWright> the statement about governments?
[10:22] <freax> TWright: you're removing the statement
[10:23] <vernm> so many in a coverup? seems like it would fall apart
[10:23] <freax> yes TWright
[10:23] <freax> duh
[10:23] <Himitsu> good point there vernm
[10:23] * freax slaps TWright across the head with a book
[10:23] <Howmo> Go right ahead and what, freax?
[10:23] <freax> now thats ego!
[10:23] <TWright> good job
[10:23] <Howmo> What are you talking about there freax?
[10:23] <freax> thanks
[10:23] <TWright> to answer your question
[10:23] <Himitsu> like me, I am a paid disinformation spreader
[10:23] <TWright> it is just common logic
[10:23] <TWright> not everyone would make that deduction
[10:23] * freax sets mode: +b *!*@ip-216-222-15-91.salmoninternet.com
[10:24] * FunBot sets mode: +l 36
[10:24] * Howmo was kicked by freax (using irrelevant information and not backing it up is a no-no with me... you are banned for 5minutes.)
[10:24] <freax> sigh, funny how i had to do that
[10:25] <TWright> i will leave you alone now if you would like freax
[10:25] <freax> and to think id risk my ops and access to this server to do it too
[10:25] <freax> fine
[10:25] <freax> you go recouperate for me =)
[10:25] <TWright> now now
[10:25] <freax> what?
[10:26] <freax> sorry what are you talking about?
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[10:26] <TWright> i'm not belittling you
[10:26] <TWright> i don't need to recouperate
[10:26] <freax> you're not doing what again?
[10:26] <TWright> i was doing us both a favor
[10:26] <freax> sorry i havent got a dictionary handy
[10:26] <freax> dont be friendly to me fuckster
[10:26] <TWright> ok
[10:26] <freax> you wont get emotional contact at all
[10:26] <TWright> then goodbye
[10:26] <freax> cya
[10:27] <freax> too bad i couldnt ban you huh?
[10:27] <freax> you must be a server op or something
[10:27] <freax> isnt it amazing how zetan related people get such access so fast?
[10:27] <Himitsu> doesn't matter
[10:28] <freax> of course not, its irrelevant remember? =P
[10:28] <Himitsu> they can sit here in june next year with ops wondering what the fuck didn't happen
[10:28] <freax> holy shit, time flys
[10:28] <freax> its daylight already!
[10:28] <Himitsu> no kidding
[10:28] <freax> i thought it was still around 2am
[10:28] <Keats1> wont have to wait that long to find out Himitsu
[10:28] <freax> but its 5:28am
[10:28] <Himitsu> I know, but to the ones with no clue it will take that long
[10:29] * freax sets mode: -b *!*@ip-216-222-15-91.salmoninternet.com
[10:29] <Himitsu> anybody with a clue would have realised it when somebody said they were talking to aliens
[10:29] <freax> i thought everyone knew that already =P
[10:29] <Himitsu> you would think
[10:29] <Keats1> arrogance will do that to you freax
[10:30] <freax> oh shut the hell up
[10:30] <freax> ive got my personal opinion
[10:30] <Keats1> no thanks, tryin to quit
[10:30] <freax> everyone does
[10:30] <Keats1> me too
[10:30] <freax> that url btw that TWright posted
[10:30] <Keats1> I just dont rule out the possibility that Im wrong
[10:30] <Keats1> like you do
[10:30] <freax> is just a page about an extrasolar planet
[10:30] <vernm> i just hope this does not turn out like that Heavens gate
[10:30] <Himitsu> koolaid again
[10:30] <freax> not anything to do with planetx or a planet inside our solar system
[10:31] <freax> Keats1
[10:31] <TWright> it is extrasolar right now freax
[10:31] <freax> i havent ruled out anything you idiot
[10:31] <Keats1> freax
[10:31] <freax> you assumed i did
[10:31] <TWright> it hasn't entered our solar system
[10:31] <Keats1> yes you have you moron
[10:31] <freax> im neutral with planetx
[10:31] <Keats1> I know you did, can tell by your attitude
[10:31] <freax> no i fucking havent
[10:31] <Keats1> yes you fucking have
[10:31] <freax> ive got this attitude because ive been fucked around many times in the past =P
[10:31] <Himitsu> I fucking have Keats1
[10:32] <Keats1> ahh, an abused child
[10:32] <freax> not because i 'want' to disprove anything
[10:32] <Keats1> thats too bad Himitsu
[10:32] <freax> nor do i want to deny or subtract anything from my final opinion about planetx, ive never done that
[10:32] <Keats1> oh thats reassuring
[10:32] <Himitsu> why, becasue I don't believe a woman that claims aliens implanted their dna into her head?
[10:32] <freax> you are taking my force of power in here over me baning howmo for 5 minutes too highly
[10:33] <freax> want to proove that?
[10:33] <freax> =P
[10:33] <Himitsu> or that a planet that defies the laws of physics is going to come by and wreck our planet?
[10:33] <Himitsu> lol
[10:33] <Keats1> you thought everyone knew that already right?
[10:33] <freax> yes, actually
[10:33] <Keats1> you thought everyone knew that someone talking to aliens was necessarily a kook
[10:33] <Himitsu> I said everybody with a clue
[10:33] <Himitsu> pertty much
[10:33] <freax> no =P
[10:33] <Keats1> and freax agreed
[10:33] <freax> Himitsu
[10:33] <Keats1> yeah ya did, scroll up
[10:33] <Himitsu> maybe he did, maybe he didn't but I did
[10:33] <freax> shut the fuck up
[10:34] <freax> you're confusing you're words with mine
[10:34] <freax> sorry about that Himitsu
[10:34] <TWright> you're quit voilent with words freax
[10:34] <Himitsu> freax can speak for himself
[10:34] <TWright> that has an emotional affect on people
[10:34] <freax> TWright: want to hear my past history too?
[10:34] <TWright> not CAPS
[10:34] <Himitsu> and I speak for myself
[10:34] <Keats1> cant express himself without vulgarity
[10:34] <Keats1> kinda sad
[10:34] <TWright> if you want to speak of it
[10:34] <Himitsu> no worries mate
[10:34] <freax> TWright: it takes emotions to interface with other peoples emotions
[10:35] <TWright> it takes selected words
[10:35] <Keats1> freax not true
[10:35] <TWright> with correct connotation
[10:35] <freax> umm
[10:35] <TWright> not vulgarity
[10:35] <freax> thats irrelevant
[10:35] <obany> so himitsu you are doing your thing again,,,, and well i noticed that even howmo showed up
[10:35] <Keats1> so is that
[10:35] <obany> go figure
[10:35] <Himitsu> what thing is that obany?
[10:35] <Himitsu> I can't wait
[10:35] <freax> Keats1
[10:36] <Keats1> freax
[10:36] <freax> give me a second
[10:36] <obany> your debunking thing
[10:36] <freax> its 5:36am and im tired, ill be back in 5mins
[10:36] <Keats1> is there a reason you feel the need to type my name without anything following it?
[10:36] <Himitsu> and what does howmo have to do with me?
[10:36] <freax> !ban freax come back in 5mins damn you!
[10:36] * ChanServ sets mode: -o freax
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[10:36] <Keats1> youll be missed
[10:36] <Himitsu> you can't debunk something if it isn't full of bunk to begin with
[10:36] <obany> <freax> you must be a server op or something
[10:36] <obany> <freax> isnt it amazing how zetan related people get such access so fast?
[10:36] <obany> <Himitsu> doesn't matter
[10:36] <obany> <freax> of course not, its irrelevant remember? =P
[10:36] <obany> <Himitsu> they can sit here in june next year with ops wondering what the fuck didn't happen
[10:36] <obany> <freax> holy shit, time flys
[10:36] <TWright> if you don't beleive in a coming troubled times and you've entered this chat, have you not logically come for an argument?
[10:37] <Himitsu> and?
[10:37] <TWright> you are here for no purpose but to argue right?
[10:37] <obany> Himitsu: why don't you join your sci.astro friends instead of joning this channel
[10:37] <Himitsu> not at all
[10:37] <TWright> why not use that time more creatively
[10:38] <Himitsu> I would if it was clear outside
[10:38] <TWright> let those who beleive and want help to talk amongst each other
[10:38] <vernm> i heard nancy on the artbell show ok no big deal when you hear most nutcases on that it is fun but  nancy sounded like a dangerous nutcase
[10:38] <Keats1> Himitsu what do you think of the claims from people who have supposedly seen something at the coords given by Nancy?
[10:38] <Himitsu> seen or imaged?
[10:38] <FunBot> I don't know who ged? is.
[10:38] <z> I haven't seen 'or', Himitsu
[10:38] <Keats1> claimed to have seen
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[10:39] <Keats1> I dont know anyone claiming to have imagined it
[10:39] <Himitsu> I have seen the image files, and if that is the best they can do, get ready for a great and peacefull summer
[10:39] <freax> ok, caffeine in stomach
[10:39] <Himitsu> hehe
[10:39] <Keats1> Im ok with that
[10:39] <Himitsu> imaged, not imagined
[10:39] <Keats1> oh I see
[10:39] <freax> ready for another onslaught with empty emotions from a bunch of strangers
[10:39] <obany> so vermn, you are also part of the debunking crowd.... ?
[10:39] <Himitsu> as if debunking is a bad word
[10:40] <vernm> why is it if you not belive it it is  called debunking?
[10:40] <freax> speak for your own climate Himitsu, its summer here already =)
[10:40] <Himitsu> oops
[10:40] <freax> *grins*
[10:41] <Himitsu> good point, well in freax's case, he will have a very good winter
[10:41] <freax> whichever
[10:41] <z> somebody said whichever was more common and close
[10:41] <Himitsu> with no smoldering red ball of death in the sky
[10:41] <Himitsu> hehehe
[10:41] <obany> vermn: are you not ... silk or sarahmc by any chance?
[10:41] <TWright> i hope so
[10:41] <vernm> i just really worry some will be to upset when X does not happen
[10:41] <TWright> then why upset them now?
[10:41] <Himitsu> vernm if you are Silk it is great to meet you
[10:41] <TWright> if you truly worry about them being upset?
[10:42] <freax> vernm: if they were so worried about them being wrong i dont think they'll be an ounce worried about it /not/ happening, except for maybe when the people down the street come and kill them all, that is about it
[10:42] <TWright> they don't want to here your 'anit-zeta babble'
[10:42] <Himitsu> or hear it even
[10:42] <freax> TWright: mainly because they upset us by calling them debunkers
[10:42] <TWright> yeah you're right
[10:42] <freax> err us
[10:43] <TWright> grammer error
[10:43] <freax> is a wrong word for me
[10:43] <freax> im neutral =P
[10:43] <freax> them
[10:43] <TWright> back to the point
[10:43] <freax> and dont anyone dare quote that mistake
[10:43] <Himitsu> this is like Christmas as a kid, but I just can't wait for May
[10:43] <Himitsu> hehe
[10:43] <freax> or so god holy zetan may save you're arsehole
[10:43] <vernm> ok upset   i  should say when some  paranoid  leader is wrong some  followers  will kill them selfs
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[10:44] <Himitsu> back
[10:44] <freax> its starting for Himitsu already =)
[10:44] <obany> and what are you trying to say with that vermn ?????
[10:44] <TWright> and if you convince them otherwise now, they wouldn't do the same???
[10:44] <vernm> what do you think
[10:44] <freax> he's saying exactly what he believes
[10:44] <Himitsu> sorry obany, I am back again
[10:44] <freax> what he thinks, what his opinion is
[10:44] <Himitsu> will you still talk to me in June obany>
[10:45] <Himitsu> ?
[10:45] <vernm> i heard her on the artbell show  she sounded very paranoid
[10:45] <TWright> nancy leider is not the only individual that supports the planet x theor
[10:45] <TWright> *theory
[10:45] <freax> if you cant handle other people's opinions when they are quite relevant and not silly or childish in any shape or form, then you are the fault
[10:46] <obany> !addtimedban vermn 120 restain from Bashing please
[10:46] <freax> but thats not my opinion, only my observation
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[10:46] <TWright> so attacking her and calling her insane doesn't convince anyone of anything
[10:46] <Himitsu> good point, better to ban the person if you can't handle their opinions
[10:46] <freax> mmm
[10:46] <obany> !addtimedban vermn 120 restain from Bashing please
[10:46] <TWright> haha
[10:46] <Keats1> besides, paranoid or prophet, we'll know by the end of march
[10:46] <freax> when has vernm called her insane and not given a logical viewpoint over the whole thing?
[10:46] <obany> !addtimedban vernm 120 restain from Bashing please
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[10:46] * vernm was kicked by ChanServ (restain from Bashing please (obany))
[10:47] <TWright> i haven't listened to vernm's sermon
[10:47] <Himitsu> hey obany, does bashing include calling somebody an ass?
[10:47] <TWright> so i wouldn't know
[10:48] <obany> you are here now..... is Nancy here ... ??
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[10:48] <obany> then that person should say it into her face ...
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[10:48] <obany> there is a difference
[10:48] <obany> so yes you are an ass :)
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[10:49] <Himitsu> ooo I am so hurt
[10:49] <Himitsu> not going to be able to live now
[10:49] <Himitsu> better drink some koolaid
[10:49] <freax> yes, nancyl is FunBot all along
[10:50] * freax waves
[10:50] <freax> hii!
[10:50] <Himitsu> lol
[10:51] <TWright> many of those who had much to do with the discovery of the electricity you use were thought to be 'insane' in their day.  This obviously isn't a negative trait, to be different than the masses.
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[10:51] <Himitsu> were aliens talking to them?
[10:51] <TWright> so labling someone is just that
[10:51] <TWright> a name
[10:51] <vern> thanks i just wanted to come back to lose m on my name see you guys latter:)
[10:51] <TWright> no but there were many with your attitude toward aliens
[10:51] <TWright> toward electricity
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[10:52] <Himitsu> riiiight
[10:52] <freax> yes, but at least the electricity was based upon a certian logical perspective and natural rules were set in place beforehand, where you could actually observe these ations
[10:52] <freax> with this planetx idea there is no way you can get proof for yourself
[10:52] <TWright> these natural rules, like newtons laws?
[10:52] <TWright> try those out with a magnet
[10:52] <TWright> great results
[10:52] <TWright> with the planets?
[10:52] <freax> nor can the masses physically touch or utilise the abilities or of the planetx planet
[10:52] <Himitsu> you can get proof. go look through a telescope
[10:53] <TWright> why don't the planets just attract to the sun
[10:53] <freax> how is that relevant
[10:53] <TWright> and burn up
[10:53] <TWright> since newton says that's the way it is
[10:53] <freax> you're using childish bitching to make text so you can prevent you're ego from tripping my friend
[10:53] <TWright> you're falling back on natural 'rules'
[10:53] <freax> newton didnt say that was the way it was
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[10:53] <TWright> that don't exist
[10:53] <freax> his instruments did
[10:53] <freax> his observations did
[10:54] <TWright> he said objects have an attraction force according to their mass
[10:54] <TWright> where's the repulsion force?
[10:54] <freax> you /really/ think that his ideas /about/ electricity are what created the RULES of electricity?
[10:54] <freax> mmm
[10:54] <TWright> nope
[10:54] <freax> the repulsion force is the negative effect
[10:54] <TWright> First Source created the 'rules' of electricity
[10:54] <freax> the propulsive force is the positive effect
[10:55] <freax> define first source?
[10:55] <TWright> the energy that created the universe, therefore the universe consists of
[10:56] <freax> oh please
[10:56] <freax> hahahaha
[10:56] <freax> stop changing the subject =P
[10:56] <freax> you do realise i log everything
[10:56] <TWright> i answered your question
[10:56] <freax> yeah with bullshit
[10:56] <freax> and you also realise that im going to send ALL of the logs to art bell?
[10:56] <TWright> i gave my opinion
[10:56] <freax> unedited of course
[10:56] <TWright> scare me some more
[10:56] <freax> i dont want to create some lies...
[10:57] <freax> ive been here for 5 months
[10:57] <TWright> how will anyone know the are unedited?
[10:57] <TWright> where's your proof
[10:57] <freax> you are my proof =P
[10:57] <TWright> back to the subject
[10:58] <TWright> what else did you want to know
[10:58] <TWright> about 'First Source'
[10:58] * Looking up TWright user info...
[10:58] <TWright> since my definition was bs
[10:58] <QueenVee> Just to let you know that a ZetaTalk Session w/ Nancy Lieder begins in #poleshiftdiscussion in 90 minutes. Moderator QueenVee is currently accepting questions for the agenda, which must be suggested in the room prior to the ZetaTalk Session.
[10:59] <TWright> thank you
[10:59] <freax> all ive seen is evasion, empty emotional bullying, mis-facts over obviously silly /accusations/ and most of all, using irrelevant pieces of text like "first source" or " the energy that created the universe, therefore the universe consists of" inorder to get an egotistical stronghold on what is being said in a completely irrelevant misunderstanding of how the universe works...
[10:59] <freax> but STILL i remain unbiased
[10:59] <freax> want to know why?
[10:59] <freax> because under all of this bullshit
[11:00] <TWright> you'll be asking why? for eternity with that attitude
[11:00] <TWright> things aren't handed out on a silver platter
[11:00] <freax> is the fact that you are all completely deluded people who i try and save from emotional and physical pain inwhich could quite eventuate
[11:00] <freax> into violence, especially bodily harm
[11:00] <freax> anyway im never coming back this time!
[11:01] <TWright> what?
[11:01] <freax> and all logs are being sent
[11:01] <TWright> why are you getting angry?
[11:01] <TWright> it's simply a discussion
[11:01] <freax> haha
[11:01] <freax> im not getting angry
[11:01] <freax> no it isnt
[11:01] <TWright> what is the point for sending logs to some website?
[11:02] <freax> you think that a discussion related towards objects thats going to kill 90% of all people on the planet is JUST A FUCKING DISCUSSION!?
[11:02] <freax> thats it, that hit the spot
[11:02] <freax> aha
[11:02] <TWright> life isn't the end
[11:02] <freax> catch you all
[11:02] <freax> fucksters
[11:02] <Himitsu> flipside?
[11:02] <freax> mwhahahahahahaa
[11:02] <QueenVee> TWright: you will encounter a high degree of emotionalism in this channel regarding ZetaTalk and the #poleshift; it's not rational and quite obviously fear and denial at a very deep level. when you genuinely think something is nonsense, you dont' waste your time with it....
[11:03] <freax> oh please
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[11:03] <TWright> true
[11:03] <QueenVee> hahahaha
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[11:03] <TWright> i don't feel i'm wasting my time
[11:03] <Himitsu> fear and denial must mean common sense and reason
[11:03] <QueenVee> i was referring to those who angrily deny the veracity of zetatalk
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[11:03] <TWright> ok
[11:03] <Himitsu> there is none
[11:03] <TWright> misunderstood
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[11:03] <TWright> thank you
[11:03] <Himitsu> lol
[11:04] <TWright> why was she kicked?
[11:04] <TWright> freax, you obviously want answers
[11:04] <TWright> and if that's true
[11:05] <TWright> you won't find them in all these other people
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[11:05] <TWright> you can only look to yourself
[11:05] <ShadowCow> QV can't provide those answers.
[11:05] <TWright> thinking for yourself is the most important thing
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[11:06] <TWright> well, there went an interesting individual
[11:06] <raincity> Why does freax think that Art Bell gives a crap about his logs of this channel?
[11:07] <raincity> He shouldn't waste his time.
[11:07] <TWright> i have no clue why he's sending them in the first place
[11:08] <TWright> well it has been fun, goodbye everyone
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[11:11] <Himitsu> well everybody, I think I am leaving
[11:11] <Himitsu> I thought maybe some people could be convinced that there was no planet x and no pole shift, but I think I was wrong in that
[11:12] <Himitsu> and since then I was only here to talk to freax and jurian, but freax is leaving so I think I am going to leave as well
[11:13] <Himitsu> so obany, you and your fallacy are safe from me now
[11:13] <Himitsu> good luck with it and see you in June
[11:13] <BoY> lol
[11:14] <obany> very funny himitsu
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[11:14] <Himitsu> maybe someday you will grow up and stop using insults to respond to logic and reason. Hell, maybe you will grow up and move out of your parents house someday too
[11:14] <Himitsu> maybe not
[11:14] <Himitsu> bye!
[11:14] <obany> I am grown up
[11:14] <BoY> now now Himitsu be nice
[11:14] <obany> i am 31, ... will turn 32 in February so
[11:14] <Himitsu> tell that to mommy and daddy
[11:14] <obany> ooh shut up
[11:14] <Himitsu> inverse of 31 is...
[11:15] <Himitsu> 13
[11:15] <QueenVee> so, this is a channel where people can question to emotional state of those who take zetatalk seriously, but not those who obssessively debunk it....
[11:15] <obany> well i wish i was
[11:15] <QueenVee> consistency is not a strong suit here
[11:15] <Himitsu> EQ is
[11:15] <obany> i would like to be a teenager again sometimes so :)
[11:15] <obany> ehehhe
[11:15] <Himitsu> called in your www mommy to stick up for you I guess
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[11:15] <obany> ooooh wew you hurt me now himitsu
[11:16] <Himitsu> I bet
[11:16] <obany> nah you give me a good feeling :)
[11:16] <obany> more more
[11:16] <Himitsu> I doubt it
[11:17] <Himitsu> do you think when px doesn't show up, you will move out of your parent's house?
[11:17] <obany> do i say that you should leave .. no .. but you want to leave by yourself so
[11:17] <obany> godverdomme
[11:17] <obany> rot o
[11:17] <obany> p
[11:17] <obany> !kick himitsu don't start about my parents
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[11:17] <Himitsu> oops
[11:17] <Himitsu> already started little man
[11:18] <Himitsu> come on, ban me
[11:18] <Himitsu> you know you want to
[11:18] <Himitsu> it is the only way to defend yourself, use your ban and profanity
[11:19] <Himitsu> awwww, not going to ban me? or are you asking www mommy what to do?
[11:19] <raincity> What is this...crash and burn day?
[11:20] <Himitsu> just saying bye to obany
[11:21] <Himitsu> aren't you going to chime in QV?
[11:21] <obany> looks like it
[11:22] <Himitsu> what a pitty, I was hoping the queen of paranoia, would make some parting shots
[11:23] <Himitsu> well, have fun obany, and see you in june!
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[11:58] <vaulb> hi
[11:58] <z> que tal, vaulb
[11:58] <QueenVee> FYI: A ZetaTalk Session w/ Nancy Lieder begins in the #poleshiftdiscussion channel in about 35 minutes. The moderator is considering questions for the agenda, which must be suggested in the room prior to the session.
[11:58] <vaulb> ok
[11:58] <vaulb> nice Bot
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[12:24] <Jurian> !users
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[12:26] <vaulb> yääyh wtf shit you mfer
[12:26] <vaulb> :D
[12:26] <Jurian> ?
[12:26] <Jurian> wtf aré yoü taLkýng aboüt?
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[12:27] <Jurian> S7L! :)
[12:27] <QueenVee> FYI: A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy is starting now in #poleshiftdiscussion.
[12:27] <vaulb> nothin
[12:27] <S7L> Greetings Jurian.
[12:27] <Jurian> how's things there? :)
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[12:29] <S7L> oh fine
[12:29] <S7L> got a new laptop
[12:29] <S7L> runs w2k though... I was just setting up samba and bind9 to run a little home network here
[12:29] <S7L> bought one of the SMC's 100 Mbps switches
[12:30] <S7L> really neat beast. IBM's A31, with 1400x1050 display
[12:30] <Jurian> cool :)
[12:30] <Jurian> same resolution as my 1 GHz DELL Laptop then :)
[12:30] <S7L> This is a P4m on 1.8 GHz
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[12:31] <Jurian> gawk
[12:31] <Jurian> nice :p
[12:31] <Jurian> I'm wondering weather to buy a new HD, or a dvd writer
[12:31] <Jurian> or both
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[12:31] <S7L> actually I wish the guy who bought this for me according to my specifications had been a bit more careful
[12:31] <S7L> it got only 20 GB of disk and that's pretty little
[12:32] <Jurian> my laptop has 30 :p
[12:32] <S7L> Or, well, I could have specified the minimum resolution and minimum HD as well
[12:32] <S7L> but while at home or at work, the samba shares alleviate all pains of storage pretty nicely
[12:32] <Jurian> yeah :)
[12:32] <Jurian> samba is cool
[12:32] <Jurian> bastard thing is faster than native windows SMB crap
[12:32] <Jurian> quite funny :)
[12:33] <S7L> Well, w2k disk access is pretty slow... the laptop has a 4200 rpm drive though, it gives latency pain as well
[12:33] <S7L> but, it's tolerable. I run cygwin's X server on it
[12:33] <S7L> funky, perl works almost 100%
[12:33] <Jurian> heh, stick vmware on it
[12:33] <Jurian> and run a linux box in the vmware
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[12:33] <S7L> rather not. The disk space is tight. I'll try dealing with w2k for some time yet
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[12:34] <Jurian> w2k is the least evil of all windows
[12:34] <Jurian> imho, anyway
[12:34] <S7L> ah, immersion into Nancy reality
[12:35] <Jurian> for workstations, I very much prefer win2k over linux
[12:35] <Jurian> for servers tho, I obviously go with linux
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[12:35] <S7L> Well, I'm sort of appreciative of it so far... I still think being vfat based its disk performance sucks
[12:36] <S7L> there is starvation for tasks that is pretty hard... and memory seems to get constantly swapped out
[12:36] <S7L> what's with that, I wonder
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[12:36] <Jurian> well, win2k's threading beats the shit out of linux' threading
[12:37] <S7L> well with this VM performance I can't care less of some theoretical advantage of process usage
[12:37] <Jurian> and with my 512 MB ram, I'm not having any issues with stuff being overly swapped
[12:37] <S7L> the loads are near 0 at all times, while I'm waiting for this bastard to swap in
[12:37] <S7L> I got only 256 MB
[12:37] <Jurian> my laptop has 256 as well, this box has 512
[12:37] <Jurian> laptop runs like a charm too, tho
[12:38] <S7L> ah well. I just don't think W2k's memory management is particularly good...
[12:39] <Jurian> dunno
[12:39] <Jurian> at least it isn't as bad as winME's implementation, with its broken free()
[12:39] <S7L> one of the worst things performance-wise I had was having f-secure anti virus check files
[12:40] <Jurian> fsecure is evil
[12:40] <Jurian> the only windows anti-virus software I do not HATE, is sophos
[12:41] <S7L> hey do you know what I need in order to use IR lan or bluetooth lan
[12:41] <S7L> my computer has at leat ir port and I think bluetooth is available with some add-on thing going into serial port
[12:42] <QueenVee> FYI: A ZetaTalk Session w/ Nancy Lieder is in progress in the #poleshiftdiscussion channel.
[12:42] <Jurian> no idea, never used either
[12:42] <Jurian> both my laptops have IR support, no idea how to use it
[12:42] <Jurian> afaik, its slow as shit
[12:43] <S7L> well, it claims to be "high performance IR port"
[12:43] <S7L> I was just wondering how high is high
[12:43] <Jurian> seeing as its still a serial port thingie, can't be much more than 115 kb/s
[12:44] <S7L> well, seems like nancy is so certain of a planet x... I guess I'll check the sightings page
[12:44] <S7L> Mm, that can be true. But... the IR says nothing about serial
[12:44] <S7L> sounds to me like it was a real "port". Not necessarily vai the 16550A chip on a ttySx
[12:44] <Jurian> afaik, on most pc's, you need to set one of the serial ports to "IR" mode in the bios
[12:45] <Jurian> never used it tho, so not sure
[12:45] <S7L> aha... I've done that
[12:45] <S7L> so it needs some device attached
[12:45] <Jurian> it might.. not sure :)
[12:45] <S7L> in this case, you are right.
[12:45] <S7L> the performance can hardly exceed a 10 Mb/s network.
[12:45] <Jurian> my laptop has a thingie that looks like its a built-in IR device
[12:45] <Jurian> but still need to enable it in the bios
[12:46] <Jurian> as a serial port
[12:46] <Jurian> AND, IR obviously is very short-range, line of sight only
[12:46] <Jurian> mostly used for cellphone-laptop connections, to use the cellphone as modem
[12:47] <S7L> ah.
[12:47] <S7L> that's interesting, actually.
[12:47] <Jurian> some nokia's have built-in IR ports, just for that :p
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[12:48] <Jurian> hmm, do you know if there is a standard for dvd-writables yet?
[12:49] <Jurian> dvd-rw, dvd+rw, whatever..
[12:49] <Jurian> I think I'll buy one for xmas
[12:49] <Jurian> but not sure yet
[12:49] <S7L> no.
[12:49] <S7L> I might get a DVD-RW when the prices for such devices fall to about 200 ¤.
[12:49] <S7L> I expect that to not happen in year or two
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[12:50] <dwander> I've seen them for under $300
[12:50] <Jurian> that's affordable :)
[12:50] <S7L> mm, that's already okay-ish
[12:50] <Jurian> if I can get one for that price, I might
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[12:50] <Jurian> otherwise, I might look for external HD's
[12:50] <Jurian> firewire or USB2 perhaps
[12:51] <S7L> My laptop doesn't have firewire function, unfortunately
[12:51] <S7L> it has usb stuff though
[12:52] <Jurian> my laptop doesn't have firewire either
[12:52] <Jurian> nor does any other PC I have, heh
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[12:52] <Jurian> I suppose, if I find an external drive, I'll go for USB2
[12:52] <Jurian> at least that'll work, even on old usb 1.1 ports, but at slooooow speed
[12:52] <S7L> I think in year or so, I can easily buy a 40-80 GB drive for this laptop
[12:53] <S7L> Until then, I'll simply live with the space constraints
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[12:53] <Jurian> 20 GB isn't that small :p
[12:53] <Jurian> just not quite suitable for the heavy "leech ftp's at work, copy to laptop, and take home" work
[12:54] <S7L> My mp3 collection I'd liek to carry with me is 25 GB
[12:54] <Jurian> 25 !? woah
[12:54] <Jurian> I have 3 GB, heh
[12:54] <Jurian> 40 GB of movies tho :)
[12:55] <S7L> I got 200 GB of drive at home
[12:55] <S7L> A lot of it lies dormant though
[12:55] <S7L> the motherboard has 6 ATA slots, can take 12 ATA devices
[12:56] <S7L> it's a sucky on-board raid though
[12:56] <S7L> not sure if I can humanely make use of it
[12:56] <Jurian> haha
[12:57] <S7L> hm now what's with this samba ... fails to run in file sharing mode
[12:58] <S7L> ah...
[12:58] <S7L> damned dhcp keeps on overwriting my resolv.conf
[13:00] <Jurian> chattr +i resolv.conf
[13:00] <Jurian> fixes that :p
[13:00] <Jurian> well known problem :)
[13:00] <S7L> actually it doesn't. That attribute exists only for the ext2/3 filesystems
[13:01] <S7L> I've gone reiser.
[13:01] <S7L> I used that while I still had / as ext2
[13:01] <S7L> same thing for swap files.
[13:01] <S7L> (I don't make swap partitions. I can't care less about any infinitesimal performance hit for swapping situations which are rare)
[13:02] <Jurian> hmm, I never use reiser
[13:02] <Jurian> just ext3, and xfs
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[13:11] <S7L> mm interesting
[13:11] <S7L> do we have, for the first time, a *real* astronomic object being sighted close to the zt coords?
[13:12] <Jurian> looks like it :)
[13:12] <Jurian> would be funny it this turns out to be true, after all :p
[13:13] <S7L> of course, it is too bright to be the same object nancy claims us to have been tracking. Sudden brightness increase nearly to level of star doesn't sit well. Also, the shape is pretty strange.
[13:15] <S7L> Could it be a variable star
[13:15] <S7L> time to check the position
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[13:15] <S7L> now I need coords ...
[13:16] <S7L> ah, there
[13:16] <z> i think ah, there is one case where I use it. I use word 'true' and 'false' in your assessments of whether I think other people are, well, telling the truth
[13:17] <S7L> then, convertion to hms
[13:17] <scooby> tied: she is answering your Q right now
[13:19] <Jurian> bbl, playing fallout 2 :p
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[13:19] <S7L> mm, no field stars around that location in my catalogue
[13:20] <QueenVee> FYI: A ZetaTalk Session w/ Nancy Lieder is in progress in the #poleshiftdiscussion channel.
[13:20] <z> i already had it that way, QueenVee.
[13:25] <Kindred_Soul> when did nancy switch over to poleshift discussion instead of zetatalk?
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[13:26] <obany> Kindred_Soul: there will be a session in #zetatalk also
[13:26] <Kindred_Soul> ok im lost, is this a replay thats happening?
[13:26] <S7L> KS: no. There are two sessions
[13:27] <S7L> have been this way for maybe 3 weeks or so
[13:27] <Kindred_Soul> oh ok, thanks guys
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[13:45] <Kindred_Soul> S7L, want do you think about the new planetX pics?
[13:46] <S7L> I think there is a chance that for the first time, a real astronomic object is being imaged in them
[13:46] <S7L> doesn't look like pixel defects at least
[13:46] <Kindred_Soul> wow, what are the chances they were faked?
[13:46] <S7L> it's still not possible to say "this is planet x", of course. Could be a variable star, or an asteroid. Subsequent observations on the location might shed light. I'll listen to the expert opinion though on this
[13:46] <S7L> I didn't actually go and bother with the FITS myself, just verified that this time it's not just pixel defects
[13:47] <Kindred_Soul> coolbeans,will check back with you to find out what you find out
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[14:11] <S7L> yes. I am in denial. That's all I've always wanted to know.
[14:12] <Ptomais> :)
[14:12] <S7L> funny how agitated nancy got. I mean, that sentence is lacking words and doesn't even make much sense
[14:12] <S7L> then she calmed down real efficiently like a block of ice had fallen on her head.
[14:13] <S7L> I still insist that if Nancy is right, then what she says must be understandable by both her and the scientists.
[14:14] <Ptomais> hmmm i dont know, wel'll see :)
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[14:14] <S7L> and this time I do think, based on brief glimpse, that there *is* some actual object in the images.
[14:14] <Ptomais> i would like to hear scientists comments
[14:14] <Ptomais> ive amateur-eyes
[14:16] <S7L> but it could be simply dishonest picture processing, of course. The shape is elongated and that seems strange.
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[14:20] <S7L> Mm. I need to go to the dss database myself to get a better picture than provided.
[14:21] <Ptomais> do you have a link?
[14:22] <S7L> http://archive.eso.org/dss/dss'
[14:22] <S7L> oops
[14:22] <S7L> strip that '
[14:23] <Ptomais> ok thanks
[14:25] <S7L> hmmh
[14:25] <S7L> What's wrong with me, I can't find the spot in the pictures...
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[14:26] <Ptomais> I cannot find anything :) I have to enter the coordinates... The picture i will get will say t\nothing to me
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[14:27] <S7L> ah, found them.
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[14:28] <monk> Hi s7l
[14:28] <S7L> or did I...
[14:28] <S7L> hi Silk
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[14:28] <S7L> Silk, can you check those latest pics, it seems a bit like there was a real astronomic object this time
[14:28] <Silk> Evening ShadowCow
[14:29] <ShadowCow> URL?
[14:29] <Silk> I looked breifly as I was downloading the files. Looks like noise at the "white" spot
[14:29] <S7L> yes, the white is not interesting
[14:29] <S7L> but what is the red?
[14:29] <z> the red is a smart guy
[14:29] <Silk> unknown at red, so far. Images are quite poor
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[14:30] <Silk> lots og atmospheric interference
[14:30] <Silk> lol Obant kicks me without saying a word
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[14:31] <dwander> hehe...they kick any who doubt these days
[14:31] <S7L> ZT is getting really pretty intolerant
[14:31] <Silk> It's like they want to hold session begind closed doors
[14:31] <yggdrasil> what am i doing here?
[14:31] <obany> just in case, usualy things get out of hand wen you and friends join in ... it's not a ban silk
[14:31] <dwander> I get in by never saying much of anything
[14:31] <Silk> Dwander, I was just there, never even posted a word
[14:31] <obany> just a kick
[14:31] <S7L> but now, damn, why can't I find the region pictured in the dss2 shot
[14:31] <Silk> Why Obany?
[14:31] <dwander> they watch what you say here too
[14:31] * S7L 's brain is a poor pattern matcher
[14:32] <yggdrasil> what is the date that it will happen?
[14:32] <obany> because well everytime you say something the channel and the session is disrupted ... at least it happened a couple of times
[14:32] <Silk> Migt as well limnit the chat to nancy, Dell and Havas if you're going to kick people for no reason at all
[14:32] <Silk> Did I say something?
[14:32] <Ptomais> yggdrasil: join #zetatalk
[14:32] <obany> well no ,, so well you can even join back in ... usualy people do that after a kick
[14:33] <raincityAFK> Silk: what keeps you going...debunking this stuff...week after week?
[14:33] <Silk> So I was kicked for being me, and no other reason
[14:33] <Ptomais> yggdrasil: +- may 2003
[14:33] <yggdrasil> i see
[14:33] <dwander> Queen usually bans along with kicks
[14:33] <Silk> Actually Rain, I've said very little recently
[14:34] <yggdrasil> is it realy going to happen?
[14:34] <obany> yggdrasil: i believe so
[14:35] <dwander> sure doesn't seem likely, at this point, ygg
[14:35] <monk> raincity: whats your problem?
[14:35] <yggdrasil> im going to have a tent that is a sauna
[14:35] <yggdrasil> is that prepared?
[14:35] <yggdrasil> or should i get some towels also?
[14:35] <Silk> hehe :o)
[14:35] <Silk> get the towels
[14:35] <raincityAFK> monk: no problem, just curious about motivations.
[14:36] <yggdrasil> dwannder why at this point
[14:36] <Silk> You're asking the wrong people Rain
[14:36] <yggdrasil> why not at this point
[14:36] <dwander> because there should be plenty of clear evidence by now if it were to happen
[14:37] <S7L> Silk: what do you make of the strange elongated shape of that object? Is it just due to poor viewing conditions?
[14:37] <ShadowCow> URL?
[14:37] <Silk> Hard to say without processing the raw files S7L
[14:37] <S7L> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/nancy4.htm
[14:37] <Silk> I'll do that later tonight
[14:38] <dwander> I'm wondering just how long people can wait for evidence til real doubts set in
[14:38] * Looking up dwander user info...
[14:38] <ShadowCow> Do they actually post raw files, Silk?
[14:38] <Silk> But it  looks odd on Havas' files, like a possible asteroid
[14:38] <Silk> They post the fits files
[14:38] <Ptomais> how can i read .fits - files?
[14:39] * Looking up raincityAFK user info...
[14:39] <Silk> Pt, do a search for IRIS & FITS
[14:39] <Silk> and download Iris
[14:39] <ShadowCow> GIMP
[14:39] <Ptomais> tnx
[14:39] <Silk> yeah Gimp will read them
[14:39] <Silk> if you have Linux or Unix
[14:39] * S7L uses gimp, actually
[14:39] <ShadowCow> GIMP will let you alter them, too.
[14:40] <Silk> yeah, they can be altered many ways, most software will allow that
[14:40] <S7L> I leave the professional work to the pros :)
[14:40] <Silk> as well as editing the associated text
[14:40] <ShadowCow> You can put smileys and explosions on them.  Dark, sinister intent molded into the shadows.
[14:40] <Silk> lol
[14:41] <S7L> it seems to me, comparing to DSS2, that there was a faint dark smudge approximately in the position now claimed to have PX red persona
[14:41] <S7L> but noise level is too great to make that definitive
[14:41] <Silk> I looked at the DDS2 infrared images. I;ll have to look at the visible images
[14:41] <S7L> could be, or could be not. I'll just take that back.
[14:42] <Silk> DSS2*
[14:42] <ShadowCow> So why aren't the red and white dots converging in a mor or less diagonal fashion?
[14:42] <Silk> You'll have to ask Nancy that Shadow
[14:42] <Silk> Seems yo be the only object ever imged that does that
[14:42] <ShadowCow> Nah.  Don't want to hear the Zetas explain it.  
[14:42] <Silk> heh
[14:43] <dwander> mostly because the whole red/white object explanation is kinda silly
[14:43] <ShadowCow> Yah think?
[14:43] <Silk> very silly
[14:43] <obany> doh ...
[14:43] <obany> astronomy equals god again right huh
[14:44] <Silk> I guess no one will be able to do a spectroscopic analysis with those characteristcs
[14:44] <S7L> It still amazes me to see SteveH and the rest to take it so very seriously. I mean, Steve said I was being hollow when I claimed that everything else in the past has been simply pxel defects, but now it looks like there might be something
[14:44] <Silk> No Obany, did someone say that?
[14:44] <ShadowCow> No.  An explanation that doesn't defy logic would be a Godsend.
[14:44] <obany> well for the way some of you folks talk it relay seems that way
[14:44] <Silk> Well S7L, they comepletely missed a real asteroid on previous images
[14:45] <dwander> all depends how many compleatly new sciences you want to believe apply ONLY to PX
[14:46] <Silk> Well Obany, even the Zeta refuse to comment on the red/white nonsense.
[14:46] <Silk> All they offer is "you don't understand"
[14:46] <S7L> Silk: It went pretty fast if it was an asteroid, I mean, I think IMO picked it up, but wasn't sure if it was a real thing
[14:46] <dwander> kinda like saying: "we humans don't really understand gravity, so expect to float off into outer space next month because my alien contacts say so"
[14:47] <Silk> Pretty sure it was S7L. The FOV is quite small on those images.
[14:47] <S7L> If that's the one we are talking about.
[14:47] <Ptomais> :)
[14:47] <Silk> I think it is
[14:47] <S7L> Yeah.
[14:48] <Silk> I suppose it's possible that it was some man-made junk as well
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[14:49] <Silk> I'll have to go back and look at the timespan between images
[14:49] <S7L> Good girl :) Tell us what you think it is in the end.
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[14:49] <S7L> or well, if you think of that asteroid, yeah sure
[14:49] <S7L> I am interested in that red stuff now and had my midn already around it
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[14:50] <Silk> well, a bird would be a lot faster, streaking the whole FOV, so it would have to be quite a ways out
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[14:51] * juditness is away.. this fight is not worth fighting. :( [mail: judit@geekychick.org] at 23:52:40
[14:52] <Ptomais> I wonder why the Zeta's are telling us this, what's their goal? What profit do they have
[14:52] <dwander> to mess with people's heads??
[14:53] <ShadowCow> They're going to eat us and take our water for their world.
[14:53] <raincityAFK> V?
[14:56] <dwander> looks now like zt will be able to hold on to its loyal followers til mid-march or longer...really amazing
[14:56] <ShadowCow> Yeah.
[14:57] <Ptomais> 'beware of the reptiles (zetas)' is the message of many (in my eyes) reliable websites
[14:57] <dwander> they seem pretty harmless
[14:58] <dwander> just one more form of disinformation
[14:58] <Ptomais> harmless? like a spider would call a human harmless
[14:58] <obany> i am not into that zetas are reptiles websites
[14:59] <dwander> you would harm a poor, innocent spider??  :)
[14:59] <raincityAFK> It is strange...Nancy is saying we should accept hybrids among us --or we have to leave the planet.
[14:59] <raincityAFK> That sux.
[14:59] <Silk> I would - lol
[14:59] <Ptomais> why would you tell him the truth??
[15:00] <S7L> It is perhaps wiser to yield lack of knowledge than misinformation. I do not think it is possible to know any of this kind of stuff.
[15:00] <ShadowCow> I dunno.  Why should we accept the experiements of other races among us?
[15:00] <Ptomais> no!!
[15:00] <Ptomais> but many claim that it happens
[15:00] <dwander> doesn't matter, Rain, since the reast of the scenario is dying
[15:01] <raincityAFK> It isn't dead yet.
[15:01] <dwander> well, your chances are better in the lotto
[15:02] * Queen-away is now known as QueenVee
[15:02] <dwander> at what point will you be willing to declare it dead, rain?
[15:03] <raincityAFK> What is "it" exactly?
[15:03] <dwander> the zt scenario in general
[15:04] <S7L> It is dead when Planet X fails to make appearance at the designated time. At that point, I do not see any reason for anyone to follow it any more, I guess.
[15:04] <dwander> which designated time, S7L?  the 7 week one?
[15:04] <Silk> Unless the "message" changes, then devouts will follow
[15:05] <Ptomais> how will the zetas interact with the remaining part of mankind, is that on the zetatalk website?
[15:05] <dwander> or the pole shift date itself?
[15:05] <S7L> dwander: I guess around February to March the last hard deadline runs out
[15:06] <dwander> that's why I was saying she could keep most of them til about mid-march
[15:06] <Silk> I can't wait till Noory gets her back on C2C in May 03
[15:06] <dwander> think she'll show?
[15:07] <Silk> I'm not sure
[15:07] <Silk> I would hope so
[15:07] <dwander> I'd be surprised, but one can hope
[15:08] <Silk> Well Noory was pretty adamant about having her back
[15:08] <Silk> I'm sure if she didn't show he'd say something
[15:08] <S7L> Noory? C2C?
[15:08] <dwander> I hope he brings her back in March....
[15:08] <Silk> yes, is that who you speel his name?
[15:09] <Silk> spell*
[15:09] * S7L has no idea who they are
[15:09] <dwander> I'd like to hear the last-ditch excuses
[15:09] <ShadowCow> Art Bell's show is called Coast to Coast.
[15:09] <Silk> Noory is the host on Art Bell's Coast to Coast S7L
[15:09] <S7L> oh, okay.
[15:09] <S7L> I'm not exactly following Art Bell.
[15:10] <ShadowCow> They declared Art Bell an enemy, I think.  Didn't like the way Noory treated her.
[15:10] <dwander> It sounded like she likes Noory better than Art
[15:10] <S7L> They? Zetas?
[15:10] <Silk> Really Shadow?
[15:10] <Silk> Is that on nanct's website? I'd love to see that :o)
[15:10] <dwander> they just labeled Art a hopeless skeptic
[15:11] <Ptomais> :)
[15:11] <dwander> yep, go look
[15:11] <Silk> I know she pulled some of the Bell stuff she said when Hazlewood was on
[15:12] <ShadowCow> Oh, QV was speculating that Art was retiring because he subconsciously knew that the poleshift was coming.
[15:13] <Silk> yeah, there's lots of speculation to go around <g>
[15:14] <QueenVee> <ShadowCow> Oh, QV was speculating that Art was retiring because he subconsciously knew that the poleshift was coming.
[15:14] <QueenVee> you asshole, i never made that speculation
[15:14] <QueenVee> i said the exact opposite
[15:14] <QueenVee> that he doesn't believe in the poleshift, just has  bad back
[15:14] <Ptomais> :)
[15:14] <QueenVee> you people are pathetic
[15:15] <Silk> Like you said you'd never looked at Havas' images?
[15:15] <QueenVee> i said that
[15:15] <ShadowCow> Indeed you did, QV.
[15:15] <QueenVee> never denied that i said it
[15:15] <QueenVee> nice try at changing the subject
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[15:15] <QueenVee> typical
[15:15] <Silk> heh
[15:16] * ShadowCow yawns as the fun begins.
[15:17] <Ptomais> ah! "mankind increasingly making error in everyday work" on #zetatalk, fits perfectly in Fennema's 'careless-society' theory
[15:17] <sleth> qv whats going on
[15:17] <sleth> i wanted to ask you a question
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[15:19] <Silk> so much for that question :o)
[15:19] <sleth> silk i guess huh
[15:19] <sleth> shes always like that
[15:19] <Silk> "typical"  :o)
[15:19] <sleth> silk maybe you know
[15:19] <S7L> Tsch tsch. What did we learn about correct conclusions today? "<@NancyL> Now that the inbound PX is so VISIBLE and will LOOM upon us so rapidly, this is a moot point, anyway."
[15:20] <S7L> I can already see the sci.astro posts where those two particular words are written in uppercase in pure nancy[tm] style.
[15:20] <Ptomais> (inc.)
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[15:20] <Silk> Yep, now they'll claim it's no longer needed to take images
[15:20] <Silk> because it's a "moot point".
[15:21] <obany> ooh some on antti or should i say anti ... as you seems so well against the idea (anti) of th Plaent X
[15:22] <Silk> want to rephrase that Obany?
[15:22] <sleth> does anyone know if troubledtimes, poleshiftdiscussion, are strictly nancys beliefs
[15:22] <Silk> Yes, the zeta faithfull Sleuth
[15:22] <S7L> obany: I am only against the incorrect conclusion drawn by Nancy.
[15:23] <sleth> silk so nancy is runnin the show
[15:23] <S7L> the Planet X images are *not* spot on. There seems to be something on the pictures but it's not necessarily Planet X. All previous things have been pixel defects. Like it or not, these are the facts as I see them.
[15:23] <Silk> Pretty much
[15:23] <obany> that's what you say, ... you already made your mind up that Nancy is wrong
[15:23] <sleth> silk do you follow nancy
[15:23] <Silk> And what are you impressions of the images Obany?
[15:23] <S7L> the red/white light persona stuff is crap and only hurts her credibility.
[15:23] <Silk> No Sleuth, she follows me
[15:23] <obany> better bow for your sci.astro masters s7l
[15:24] <sleth> silk i hear you
[15:24] <sleth> silk who came up with hale bop being a nova
[15:24] <Silk> Nancy :o)
[15:25] <sleth> oh so she was wrong then
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[15:25] <Silk> Then she claimed it was a known star, then it was a "different, real comet"
[15:25] <Silk> absolutely wrong
[15:25] <Silk> But she claims now the Zetas were lying to her intentionally
[15:25] <sleth> i think that is crazy
[15:26] <sleth> lying  lmao
[15:26] <ShadowCow> She has claimed that?
[15:26] <Silk> same with "the naked eye visible at mag 2" comments of the past
[15:26] <S7L> ShadowCow: and more
[15:26] <ShadowCow> Wow.  She's cracking up.
[15:26] <Silk> On a previous IRC session ShadowCow
[15:27] <sleth> silk so indeed thats a miss on her part
[15:27] <Silk> 2 of many
[15:27] <sleth> oh at least your honest
[15:27] <Silk> I have nothing to gain by lying
[15:28] <sleth> who is to say that may 2003 isnt a miss
[15:28] <sleth> or is a miss
[15:28] <Silk> by known physics and celestial mechanics, her planet can't exist as described
[15:28] <raincityAFK> Nancy might have gotten the time wrong...and it is coming later.
[15:28] <Silk> Her only recourse is to state "mankind is unaware"
[15:28] <raincityAFK> Perhaps in 2012.
[15:29] <Ptomais> indeed 2012
[15:29] <Silk> perhaps 8632
[15:29] <Ptomais> personaly i think 5436
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[15:29] <sleth> 2012 i think is ruled out
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[15:32] <raincityAFK> ruled out?  Mayan calender ends in 2012.
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[15:33] <sleth> thts why
[15:33] <S7L> The problem is that if there is no indication of anything being of great mass in any detectable distance, there can be no planet x -based explanation of any earth changes
[15:34] <ShadowCow> The Mayan calendar runs out, but no one knows exactly what that means.
[15:34] <ShadowCow> Loads of speculation, though.
[15:35] * S7L shrugs. It doesn't "run out"
[15:35] <Silk> Dell runs away after being questioned
[15:35] <S7L> any more than our calendar runs out when 1999 turns to 2000 or when 2000 turns to 2001
[15:35] <S7L> There is simply a change in an unusual digit in the calendar system
[15:36] <ShadowCow> Nancy is the only one I've found claiming the 2003 date.
[15:36] <sleth> i dont think nancy is a credible source personally
[15:36] <PlanetX> i found alot of medium and bible maniac saying 2003 to
[15:37] <raincity> which mediums?
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[15:37] <PlanetX> just type planetx in google prophecy 2003  ...
[15:37] <sleth> the 2003 date use to be a 2002 date
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[15:38] <PlanetX> anyway we will all soon find out
[15:38] <dwander> has everyone seen this:  http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword03a.htm
[15:38] <dwander> comments?
[15:38] <S7L> what, is there a rude picture of Nancy?
[15:38] <S7L> ah, no, it's the distance table.
[15:38] <Silk> dwander, the Zetas claim that's incorrect
[15:38] <S7L> And human scientists claim that, too
[15:38] <S7L> of course.
[15:38] <Silk> done be "human hands"
[15:39] <dwander> hehe...I would imagine they do!
[15:39] <S7L> so that's at least one page you can drop right away.
[15:39] <Silk> They claim it speeds up and slows down during it's travel through the solar system
[15:39] <PlanetX> i saw a picture of russia making publicity saying red planet coming
[15:39] <Silk> so the computations are incorrect
[15:39] <S7L> PlanetX: that was an advertisement for company manufacturing tiles, I think
[15:40] <S7L> or something
[15:40] <z> i think something is very ridiculous about the content on the ZT site. It isn't focussed on us at all. It's aliens this and that, ufos, conspiracies, secrets, assasinations, politics, predictions, doom and gloom.. yes, in between there can be found some advise for people, do this do that, this is better, that is not.. but its too diffused the site is
[15:40] <Silk> Planet X, you mean the tile store billboard?
[15:40] <sleth> silk how is info from the zetas acknowledged
[15:40] <Silk> by who sleth?
[15:40] <S7L> Another great zetatalk accuracy thing. A lot fo talk about Putin and like from Nancy because of that
[15:40] <S7L> heh.
[15:41] <sleth> the zetas
[15:41] <z> the zetas are afraid of nukes
[15:41] <S7L> of course, Russia's government secretly teamed up with that company to put out that advertisement to warn the whole russian population of the impending catastrophe due to a red planet.
[15:41] <dwander> however, nancy just directed people there to calculate the appearent size of Px....
[15:41] <yggdrasil> z i agree its not organnized well
[15:41] <z> yggdrasil: what?
[15:41] * S7L expects next years Mars confrontation to also spark at least ad or two
[15:42] <PlanetX> yep i begin to think s7l
[15:42] <S7L> after all, it's another red planet
[15:42] <S7L> yggdrasil: "z" is a bot. You can't talk with it.
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[15:42] <yggdrasil> strange though
[15:42] <Silk> I'm not sure I understand the question sleth. How do the Zetas acknowledge their own predictions?
[15:43] <Zetapal> sup baby
[15:43] <sleth> know silk how do the zetas get there predictions to  earth
[15:43] <yggdrasil> z
[15:43] <z> yes, yggdrasil?
[15:43] <yggdrasil> z
[15:43] <z> yes, yggdrasil?
[15:43] <yggdrasil> z liar
[15:43] <z> yggdrasil: sorry...
[15:43] <yggdrasil> haha
[15:43] <ShadowCow> S7L: That was for a sushi chain.
[15:43] <Silk> Sleth, Nancy claims they are in telepathic contact with her
[15:43] <Silk> and she relays the message
[15:44] <sleth> silk i am open minded but that is crazy
[15:44] <S7L> sleth: how about the fact that the aliens inserted "genetically modified" alien tissue to her brain to make her more receptive to the telepathic voice?
[15:44] <Silk> Maybe.
[15:44] <dwander> hehe...just not open-minded enough, it seems...:)
[15:44] <S7L> It's all down there on ZetaTalk.
[15:45] <S7L> complete with hypnotic recall of it happening.
[15:45] <QueenVee> sleth: so why are you hanging around here listening to a crazy person?
[15:45] <dwander> gotta have faith....mere logic will never be enough
[15:45] <sleth> so the zetas talk to nancy and nancy only
[15:45] <Silk> Yes Sleth
[15:45] <dwander> you got it, sleth
[15:45] <QueenVee> sleth: you've asked those same questions over and over again, why do you keep asking?
[15:46] <Silk> Nancy is their "Emmisary"
[15:46] <QueenVee> and why do you keep hanging about if you think nancy is crazy?
[15:46] <Silk> Maybe becuase no one answered him
[15:46] <QueenVee> he was answered over and over and over again
[15:46] <sleth> queen vee dont try and go off on me i like to learn ok
[15:47] <Zetapal> I think we can all agree, it IS a fantastic supposition :)
[15:47] <Silk> So he was answered again. What's the problem?
[15:47] <QueenVee> just wondering why he has to ask the same question every week.... does he forget?
[15:47] <Silk> Maybe he does
[15:48] <Silk> Maybe he wants to verify the answer it with others
[15:48] <dwander> maybe he has trouble believing the answers he's getting
[15:48] <sleth> silk i dont forget im just trying to take it in to decipher
[15:48] <QueenVee> lol, talk about crazy....
[15:48] <Silk> no problem here sleth
[15:48] <Silk> Some people would rather that you don't question them at all
[15:49] <sleth> silk i knew qv was gonna say something if you read the scripts she kicked me out for no apparent reason
[15:49] <QueenVee> sleth: i kicked you for asking the same questions over and over
[15:49] <sleth> bull
[15:49] <Silk> I'm not allowed in her sessions sleth, so I wouldn't have known
[15:49] <QueenVee> no matter, you'll be here next week again, asking them all over again
[15:50] <Silk> Apparently, I'm not allowed in the Zetatalk session either now
[15:50] <sleth> queenv im not just gonna jump on a bandwagon
[15:50] <sleth> silk  thats probably cause your a threat
[15:50] <Silk> Yeah, big threat -  :o)
[15:51] <ShadowCow> Bah, sleth, you just failed the IQ test for her channel.  It's ceiling is terribly low.
[15:51] <sleth> now shadow cow i was a threat
[15:51] <dwander> hehe...yes, how low does an IQ have to be to pass the test??  :)
[15:52] <sleth> i just learned that queen vee worships nancy
[15:52] <dwander> not the zetas?
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[15:55] <dwander> maybe they'll have engine trouble with the warp-drive they're trying to install on Px...:)
[15:57] <Silk> Gotta run folks, got telescopes to setup that need to cool down
[15:57] <Silk> Promise I'll look for it :o)
[15:57] <dwander> go watch those heavenly bodies, Silk
[15:57] <sleth> later silk
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[15:57] <dwander> whatever apartment they are in...:)
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[15:58] <S7L> dwander: heh.
[15:59] <dwander> much more interresting than Px pics...:)
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[16:02] <nmi> could you give me the addresses of some related sites?
[16:03] <QueenVee> sites related to what?
[16:04] <nmi> to the poleshift and the whole thing
[16:04] * raincity is now known as raincityAFK
[16:05] <QueenVee> nmi: here's a good one: http://home.earthlink.net/~samsara2003/
[16:06] <nmi> thanks
[16:06] <QueenVee> and i'll give you a couple more, hold on
[16:06] <QueenVee> nmi: http://www.nepanewsletter.com/polar.html
[16:07] <QueenVee> nimi: http://xfacts.com/
[16:08] <QueenVee> last one: http://www.detailshere.com/niburu.htm
[16:08] <nmi> thanks I will look at them
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[16:47] * obany goes now bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye :)
[16:50] * obany has quit IRC (bye goodnight take care sleep well welterusten )
[16:52] <nmi> bye all
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[17:08] <yggdrasil> im curios as to what everone is doing to get  ready?
[17:09] <yggdrasil> as far as food and provisions goes
[17:10] <QueenVee> are you preparing for the poleshift?
[17:11] <yggdrasil> um
[17:11] <yggdrasil> more for the earth
[17:11] <QueenVee> i don't understand
[17:12] <yggdrasil> hangon
[17:13] <yggdrasil> more for the deluge and earth quakes
[17:13] <yggdrasil> sorry had a phone call
[17:17] <BoY> what deluge?
[17:19] <QueenVee> so you're not preparing to survive the poleshift?
[17:22] <yggdrasil> um
[17:22] <yggdrasil> well
[17:22] <yggdrasil> yea
[17:22] <yggdrasil> all the other things that are going to happen
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[17:23] <QueenVee> well, that's clear as mud
[17:24] <yggdrasil> i have a small list
[17:24] <yggdrasil> a radio
[17:24] <yggdrasil> seeds
[17:24] <yggdrasil> water purifier
[17:24] <yggdrasil> some food
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[17:24] <yggdrasil> gas tent and some tools
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[17:25] <yggdrasil> and a good truck
[17:26] <QueenVee> well, if you want to discuss preparation with others, that's what #poleshiftdiscussion is for....
[17:26] <QueenVee> The posted topic of the channel is:
[17:26] <QueenVee>  'Preparation for the MAY2003 POLESHIFT & AFTERTIME, for those familiar with www.zetatalk.com. Those who wish to debate the validity of the poleshift/ZetaTalk are NOT welcome. Newcomers should read www.zetatalk.com for answers to basic questions.'
[17:26] <yggdrasil> gotcha
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[18:51] <LeXar> Hello
[18:51] <z> what's up, LeXar
[18:52] <LeXar> bah, took it easy today, I usually I'd be with friends tonight, but I had a whole bunch of test to apprehend at college this past week
[18:52] <LeXar> you?
[18:54] <[3j]> z?
[18:54] <z> yes, [3j]?
[18:54] <[3j]> z, what did you do today
[18:54] <z> [3j]: i haven't a clue
[18:54] * [3j] slaps z around a bit with a large trout
[18:54] * [3j] slaps QueenVee around a bit with a large trout
[18:54] * [3j] slaps Jurian around a bit with a large trout
[18:55] * [3j] slaps Yoshimitsu around a bit with a large trout
[18:55] * [3j] is out of trout
[18:55] <juditness> stop.
[18:55] <juditness> good
[18:55] <[3j]> oh! i found an old smelly one
[18:55] * [3j] slaps judit around a bit with a large trout
[18:55] <[3j]> okay thats it
[18:55] * [3j] goes fishing
[18:55] <juditness> good idea.
[18:56] <juditness> i was typing out your /kill message. heh.
[19:12] <bJesus> i now have reiki healing power
[19:12] <bJesus> it's bizarre
[19:13] <LeXar> reiki?
[19:14] <bJesus> yeah you know CHI (life force)?
[19:14] <LeXar> well I've got healing hands
[19:14] <bJesus> it uses that to heal people, plants, animals...pretty much anything
[19:14] <bJesus> http://www.reiki.org/FAQ/WhatIsReiki.html
[19:14] <bJesus> check it out
[19:14] <bJesus> it's REAL...i have it now
[19:14] <bJesus> it kicks ASS
[19:15] <LeXar> what makes you think yur the only person who possesses it?
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[19:37] <Howmo> Anybody??
[19:37] <Howmo> Tesssstiiiiinggggggg
[19:37] <Howmo> QV?
[19:37] <z> QV is real quick with the ban button.
[19:38] <Howmo> What else is new?
[19:38] <Howmo> How are you z?
[19:38] <Howmo> z, how are you?
[19:38] <z> you know how it is
[19:38] <Howmo> z, how are YOU?
[19:38] <z> i think i am Howmo, so msg Howmo in private for some hot cyber
[19:39] <Howmo> I think you are not.
[19:39] <Howmo> z, I think you are not.
[19:39] <z> ...but zyxw is just taken as a zombi to believe on this nonsense...
[19:39] <Howmo> Hmmm, z, you need a language update.
[19:40] <Howmo> z, you need a language update.
[19:40] <z> Howmo: what?
[19:40] <Howmo> z, I didn't stutter.
[19:40] <