Session Start: Sat Dec 14 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[05:48] <obany> hi
[05:51] <obany> moment
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[07:21] <z> hola, obany
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[09:26] <Nightbird> Hi, anyone here?
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[10:39] <joe1> heloo all
[10:39] <joe1> how is everyone
[10:39] <joe1> ?
[10:40] <joe1> hows  yall
[10:41] <joe1> its quiet here
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[10:41] <joe1> real quiet youy all meditating or what
[10:41] <joe1> hello wake up
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[11:13] <vaulb> session?
[11:13] <z> well, session is over or not??
[11:13] <vaulb> is it now
[11:13] <vaulb> where is it
[11:14] <Mr_Odd> #poleshiftdiscussion , #zetatalk
[11:14] <vaulb> k
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[11:27] <Pegasi_Tristan> Then why did ya start it Odd?
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[11:28] <Pegasi_Tristan> Nuclear core the same as hollow Earth: Silly
[11:28] <Mr_Odd> how do you figure?
[11:28] <DRGREEN> Mr_odd, Since you are correctly assuming that I have not fully read the article, ddebating the issue is useless.
[11:28] <DRGREEN> I just read the conclusion.
[11:28] <Mr_Odd> the hollow earth theory doesn't have the respect of almost the entire geology and geophysical community
[11:29] <Mr_Odd> well I'd like to know why you think said conclusion would prove anything like what you have claimed
[11:29] <Pegasi_Tristan> Any dummy can get a piece of paper calling themselves a 'scientist' they'd rather pull their own teeth than rewrite the school books which are full of errors
[11:30] <Mr_Odd> ...
[11:30] <Mr_Odd> you are grasping at nothingness
[11:30] <Mr_Odd> it's almost pathetic to watch, i'm afraid
[11:30] <Mr_Odd> these are REAL scientists, who have published dozens of REAL scientific papers
[11:30] <Pegasi_Tristan> Oort Cloud, wrong...newton, wrong...blah, etc..the list goes on
[11:30] <Mr_Odd> the oort cloud is wrong?
[11:30] <Mr_Odd> how do you figure?
[11:30] <Pegasi_Tristan> Fraid so
[11:30] <Mr_Odd> and of course newton is wrong, their isn't a single scientist today who thinks he isn't
[11:31] <Mr_Odd> einstein showed that quite clearly
[11:31] <Pegasi_Tristan> Helps the silly scientists explain comets rather than realize they are pieces of cracked planets created by px
[11:31] <vaulb> jees that queenvee is one big asshole...
[11:31] <DRGREEN> Still, we teach and learn newton at school
[11:32] <Pegasi_Tristan> Exactly...cant question the gods
[11:32] <DRGREEN> And I'm sure not all scientists say so, just look at some of the Zetasceptics, they still think newton is right.
[11:32] <Mr_Odd> well yes, because it is a viable and accurate model in nearly all situation except those involving lightspeed and near-lightspeed actions
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[11:33] <Mr_Odd> at the end of any high school physics course the newtonian model is essentially "retracted" by one's teacher
[11:33] <Mr_Odd> so I don't really see what you're getting at
[11:34] <Pegasi_Tristan> Why call them newtons "laws"?
[11:34] <DRGREEN> I'm just sayong that it seems to me as a huge waste of time, teaching and learning lies or falsehoods.
[11:35] <Pegasi_Tristan> Its much better to observe things yourself
[11:35] <Mr_Odd> pegasi, please keep the debate to legit points rather than one of semantics and attacks at my own and the scientific community's credibility
[11:35] <Mr_Odd> DRGREEN, that's just the thing - they aren't lies in 99.9999999999% of situations
[11:35] <Mr_Odd> that is why they are taught
[11:35] <Pegasi_Tristan> asking why they say newtons 'laws' is legitimate..they are not laws
[11:35] <Mr_Odd> because they are far easier to comprehend than special, and ESPECIALLY, general relativity
[11:35] <DRGREEN> pyramids built 2.500 bc no lie?
[11:36] <DRGREEN> Pyramids built by humans no lie?
[11:36] <Pegasi_Tristan> Should be called Newtons 'observations'..thats all they are
[11:38] <Mr_Odd> pegasi...
[11:38] <DRGREEN> Ignoring the science of old civilasations in teachings no falsehood?
[11:38] <Mr_Odd> your lack of actually meaningful things to say isn't lending much good to your "argument"
[11:38] <Pegasi_Tristan> mr_odd...
[11:38] <z> mr_odd is odd or a homo
[11:38] <Mr_Odd> if you are so utterly convinced of this point, surely you must have had some experience to back up such a view
[11:39] <Mr_Odd> so why don't you just share it with me?
[11:39] <Mr_Odd> unless of course, as I so greatly fear, you in fact do not have any such thing, and rather are merely opposing me for opposition's sake
[11:39] <Pegasi_Tristan> ok, i go back to videotaped arcs...taught wrong in the books..address that
[11:39] <Mr_Odd> well, what does that mean?
[11:39] <Pegasi_Tristan> lol
[11:39] <Pegasi_Tristan> Ok, one more time....
[11:40] <Mr_Odd> there are a thousands contexts it could be taken in, with an equal num,ber of variables, that could easily explain the discrepency
[11:40] <Mr_Odd> unless you can provide more than general broad sweeping terms, NOBODY could address sucha  question, most especially myself
[11:40] <Pegasi_Tristan> When you throw a rock, it is taugh in the books that it comes down in the same arc as it went up...videotaped anlysis shows this is INCORRECT
[11:41] <Pegasi_Tristan> yet, they dont change the books? Why? They'll have to rewrite everthing
[11:41] <Pegasi_Tristan> No questioning the teacher allowed
[11:41] <Pegasi_Tristan> sad sad
[11:42] <Mr_Odd> I can't believe it
[11:42] <Mr_Odd> I ask the only godamn legit question in #psd and she bans me
[11:42] <Mr_Odd> their fear of the truth is really something to be marvelled at
[11:42] <Mr_Odd> their propoganda machine would rival Stalin's
[11:43] <Pegasi_Tristan> You going to address my point on arcs?
[11:43] <Mr_Odd> you going to clarify said point? as it stands now, i have addressed it to the greatest degree anyone could.
[11:43] <Pegasi_Tristan> heh, i knew you wouldnt
[11:43] <Mr_Odd> oh wait
[11:43] <Pegasi_Tristan> lol
[11:43] <Mr_Odd> i hadn't seen your two recent comments
[11:43] <Mr_Odd> one momoent
[11:43] <Mr_Odd> ah, indeed.,
[11:44] <Mr_Odd> a very legit point
[11:44] <Pegasi_Tristan> just like MY teacher wouldnt address it, even though I brought the tape in...she got read in the face and told me to leave
[11:44] <Mr_Odd> however, the explanation fits into even pre-einsteinian physics and has been addressed countless times in the past
[11:45] <Pegasi_Tristan> Then whats the explanation?
[11:45] <Mr_Odd> you see, such posutlates and 'laws' apply under conditions of 0 variability, namely, in a vacuum, without wind, without fluid viscosity, and without variation in gravitation as caused by an irregular surface
[11:45] <Pegasi_Tristan> of why the the book explanation of arcs doesent fit with videotaped reality?
[11:46] <Mr_Odd> if you were to repeat such a videotaping in the vacuum of space, you would find the results match the equations to an uncanny degree
[11:46] <Pegasi_Tristan> The point not in sapce, but on Earth
[11:46] <Pegasi_Tristan> space
[11:46] <Pegasi_Tristan> They dont match on the surface of this planet
[11:46] <Mr_Odd> if such equations were indeed incapable of modeling reality, perhaps you could explain how technology itself has come to the point it has, relying tremendously on such equations' near-infallability
[11:47] <Pegasi_Tristan> luck
[11:47] <Mr_Odd> unforunately for you, but I am able to spot your preceding lie, and it has been noted most regrettably
[11:47] <Pegasi_Tristan> We still drill holes in peoples head..you call that technology?
[11:47] <Mr_Odd> if you wihs to hold a debate, please stick to actual facts in the future =\
[11:47] <Mr_Odd> [14:49:18] <Pegasi_Tristan> The point not in sapce, but on Earth
[11:47] <Mr_Odd> [14:49:21] <Pegasi_Tristan> space
[11:47] <Pegasi_Tristan> Videotaped arcs IS a fact
[11:47] <Mr_Odd> that is blatantly false
[11:47] <Mr_Odd> such experiments were never heldf
[11:47] <Mr_Odd> in space, that is
[11:48] <Pegasi_Tristan> then how do you know?
[11:48] <Mr_Odd> and in fact, they HAVE been, but not in the manner you describe
[11:48] <Mr_Odd> a perfect example of such an experiment is the launching of interplanetary probes
[11:48] <Mr_Odd> a practice followed since the early 60's
[11:48] <Mr_Odd> and a practice in which the equations have modeled reality without fail
[11:48] <Mr_Odd> so perhaps you could explain?
[11:49] <Pegasi_Tristan> Ok, last time..please address why videotaped arcs are CONTRARY to what is taugh in school books
[11:49] <Mr_Odd> I ALREDAY DID.
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[11:49] <Pegasi_Tristan> lol
[11:49] <Mr_Odd> you see, such posutlates and 'laws' apply under conditions of 0 variability, namely, in a vacuum, without wind, without fluid viscosity, and without variation in gravitation as caused by an irregular surface
[11:49] <Pegasi_Tristan> You explained like you swallowed a dictionary or something..made no sense at all...like a politician speaking
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[11:50] <Pegasi_Tristan> I'm talking about arcs on the surface of the EARTH NOT SPACE
[11:51] <Mr_Odd> *sigh*
[11:51] <Mr_Odd> that IS on earth
[11:51] <Mr_Odd> is there wind in space?
[11:51] <Mr_Odd> lol
[11:51] <Pegasi_Tristan> Solar wind
[11:51] <Mr_Odd> HAHAHA
[11:51] <Mr_Odd> debate over. I'm sorry. you lost
[11:51] <Mr_Odd> "solar wind" rofl
[11:51] <Pegasi_Tristan> lol, nope I won
[11:51] <Pegasi_Tristan> laterx
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[11:51] <Mr_Odd> you clearly know nothing of physics or of what you speak, which certainly is not physics
[11:53] <Mr_Odd> [14:53:34] <Mr_Odd> I demand to be allowed into #poleshiftdiscussion at once.  You were in absolutely NO way justified in removing me, as my query was legit and did not defy any of the guidelines you had set forth, namely because it had not been answered (whereas you claimed it had)
[11:53] <Mr_Odd> [14:53:46] <Mr_Odd> to keep me out only harms your credibility further
[11:53] <Mr_Odd> [14:54:08] <QueenVee> piss off
[11:53] <Mr_Odd> [14:54:53] <Mr_Odd> ha!
[11:53] <Mr_Odd> [14:54:56] <Mr_Odd> indeed
[11:53] <Mr_Odd> [14:55:54] <Mr_Odd> But if this is how zetatalk deals with science, I have to say there are few times in the past I can recall such a policy actually working.  I believe the best example would likely be Stalin, and his secret police.
[11:53] <Mr_Odd> heh
[11:53] <Mr_Odd> guess the truth hurts sometimes
[11:53] <Jurian> watch out odd
[11:53] <Jurian> or you'll .. "disappear"
[11:53] <Jurian> :P
[11:53] <Mr_Odd> hehehehehe
[11:54] <Jurian> you might wanna try your science questions in #zetatalk
[11:54] <Jurian> #poleshiftdiscussion isn't about that kinda stuff
[11:54] <Mr_Odd> yeah, but she's taking questions to be addressed by nancy
[11:54] <Jurian> yeah.. but not science questions
[11:54] <Mr_Odd> so I wanted to see what the zetas had to say about the greatest mystery in all of present-day astrophysics
[11:55] <Mr_Odd> ah, I see
[11:55] <Jurian> not up to us to make her change her channel's ways
[11:55] <Jurian> #zetatalk would be much more appropriate :)
[11:55] <Mr_Odd> yeah, i wasn't really expecting such a change, but it sure was fun to call her on :)
[11:56] <Mr_Odd> hmm I wish I had been logging in there so I could retype my exact question
[11:56] <Jurian> <Mr_Odd> what is the source of the so-called "dark energy" which is currently thought to pervade the universe, and is the force driving the accelerating rate of expansion that the universe is undergoing as shown by recent studies of distant supernovae?
[11:56] <Jurian> that one?
[11:56] <Mr_Odd> bingo :)
[11:57] <Mr_Odd> thanks
[11:57] <Jurian> np
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[12:14] <QueenVee> ANNOUNCEMENT: A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder will begin in #poleshiftdiscussion in about 15 minutes. The moderator (QueenVee) is still considering questions for the agenda.
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[12:32] <QueenVee> A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder is now in progress in #poleshiftdiscussion.
[12:32] <z> i already had it that way, QueenVee.
[12:34] <Mr_Odd> A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder ?
[12:34] <z> i guess 2,11 A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder is now in progress in #poleshiftdiscussion.
[12:34] <Mr_Odd> heheheheh
[12:36] <Jurian> 21:38:17 | -> *chanserv* ban #Troubled_Times *!*@*.isd-holland.nl Nol, please leave
[12:36] <Jurian> 21:38:19 | -ChanServ- *!*@*.isd-holland.nl is already banned in #Troubled_Times.
[12:36] <Jurian> hehe..
[12:36] <Jurian> goddamn yahoogroups is slow *#&$)@*#
[12:36] <Jurian> I want those damn fits files
[12:36] <Jurian> 700 bytes/sec is just wrong
[12:37] <Mr_Odd> eek
[12:37] * Mr_Odd slaps Yahoo! around a bit with a large trout
[12:38] <Jurian> gotta pull the fits files through the analyser software.. see if there's anything "out there" :)
[12:38] <Mr_Odd> hehe
[12:38] <Jurian> I must say, I hope there is :p
[12:39] <Mr_Odd> yup yup!@
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[12:40] <obany> irc session going on in #poleshiftdiscussion
[12:41] <Mr_Odd> wow props to nancy for speaking against the war
[12:44] <obany> Jurian: guess that more people are using the yahoo briefcase ... now... to download that's why .. it's slow
[12:44] <obany> it was faster earlier on
[12:45] <Jurian> #$*&@)*$&#@)*
[12:45] <Jurian> goddamn driver
[12:45] <Jurian> still messing up after the update
[12:45] <Jurian> gonna be swearing very hard at someone monday
[12:51] <Jurian> anyone manage to get any of those fits files off yahoo!groups yet?
[12:52] <Jurian> rediculously slow piece of shit :/
[12:52] <obany> slow very very slow
[12:52] <obany> but i downloaded a bunch of bmp files earlier on
[12:53] <Jurian> I want the fits :p
[12:53] <fetus> verry slooow
[12:53] <obany> I understand, i kinda want them too
[12:53] <fetus> im at 6%
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[12:53] <fetus> 2 hours and 20 minutes to go
[12:54] <Jurian> 500 B/sec :/
[12:54] <fetus> 586 for me :)
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[12:55] <Jurian> damn, that's fast! :p
[12:56] <Jurian> Connecting to us.f1.yahoofs.com:80... connected!
[12:56] <Jurian> HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
[12:56] <Jurian> slow? naaaaaa
[12:56] <Kindred_Soul> someone bring me up to speed, what are you all downloading?
[12:57] <Jurian> latest FITS files that steve made
[12:57] <Jurian> curious to see what's on them :)
[12:57] <Silk> I've been downloading 4 files now for almost 30 minutes
[12:57] <Silk> on broadband no less
[12:57] <Jurian> I'm starting to HATE yahoo
[12:58] <Jurian> surely they've got more bandwidth than this!? :)
[12:58] <Silk> heh
[12:58] <Silk> I have an old Commodore that does better through the serial port
[12:58] <Jurian> yeah
[12:59] <Jurian> I wonder how many people are trying to download the files right now
[12:59] <QueenVee> A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder is now in progress in #poleshiftdiscussion.
[12:59] <z> i already had it that way, QueenVee.
[12:59] <Jurian> z, STFU
[12:59] <z> STFU is SHUT THE FUCK UP
[12:59] * z was kicked by Jurian (Thanks, and have a nice day! (5))
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[12:59] <Mr_Odd> rofl
[12:59] <Jurian> piece of wank bot
[12:59] <Mr_Odd> forget STFU
[12:59] <z> Mr_Odd: I forgot stfu
[13:00] <Mr_Odd> nice, he re-enabled it :)
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[13:00] <obany> eheheh stupid nol
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[13:00] <Mr_Odd> who's this nol person?
[13:01] <Jurian> a first class moron
[13:01] <Mr_Odd> ah.
[13:01] <obany> has been banned, kicked , g-lined .... and still he doesn't get the clue
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[13:01] <Mr_Odd> everyone's favorite
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[13:01] <Mr_Odd> lol
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[13:08] <Jurian> can someone go and slap yahoo with a clue-stick?
[13:09] <Silk> I've got one up to 28% Jurian - lol
[13:09] <Jurian> lol :)
[13:09] <Silk> the other 4 at 26
[13:10] <Jurian> I"m at 16% :/
[13:10] <Silk> I wonder why these are 4 megs this time instead of 2, did Steve use full res?
[13:10] <Jurian> of file 1
[13:10] <Jurian> dunno
[13:10] <Silk> umm, he's not here I guess
[13:10] <Jurian> nope
[13:11] <matt> when does session start?
[13:11] <Silk> 45 min
[13:11] <Jurian> there is one in #poleshiftdiscussion right now
[13:11] <matt> tta
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[13:11] <obany> hehehehee nol
[13:11] <Jurian> Nol, how 'bout you get a hint?
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[13:12] <Mr_Odd> haha
[13:12] <obany> that guy that guy ehehhhehe
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[13:12] <Jurian> he realllllly needs a smack with the cluestick
[13:12] <[3j]> WARNING: HELLO THERE IS A ZETATALK THING GOING ON WITH LOTS OF COLOR HURRY AND JOIN
[13:13] <Mr_Odd> rofl
[13:13] <Mr_Odd> hahahaha
[13:13] <Kindred_Soul> so how many here now feel something strange this way come?
[13:13] <Mr_Odd> ^5 [3j]
[13:13] <Mr_Odd> something wicked this way roars
[13:13] <Kindred_Soul> lol
[13:13] <Kindred_Soul> very good mr odd
[13:13] <Mr_Odd> I think there is something utterly horrible on it's way
[13:14] <Mr_Odd> it's called Nancy Lieder, and it is going to destroy humanity
[13:14] <longint> do somebody know what is "FORAGING"?
[13:14] <Kindred_Soul> any of you ever come across Aaron Donahue's site ?
[13:15] <Mr_Odd> foraging is going out and gathering food on your own, like picking berries and nuts, or hunting animals for meat
[13:15] <fetus> what the link ks?
[13:15] <Silk> or raiding garbage cans
[13:15] <Kindred_Soul> http://ummo.cc//
[13:16] <Mr_Odd> or eating dead bodies of crazed cult leaders names Nancy
[13:16] <ShadowCow> Eating out of garbage cans.
[13:16] <Mr_Odd> named*
[13:16] <obany> not funny odd
[13:16] <Mr_Odd> sprry
[13:16] <Mr_Odd> =\
[13:17] <Silk> I wonder if I used my dialup ISP these downloads would be faster - lol
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[13:20] <[3j]> are there new pics today ?
[13:21] <[3j]> PX pictures ?
[13:21] <obany> Yes...
[13:21] <Kindred_Soul> Mr. odd, he is the only other person in my known universe that has made this statement other than me...WE WERE CREATED TO VIEW THE UNIVERSE IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE UNIVERSE MIGHT SEE ITSELF
[13:22] <[3j]> hmm
[13:22] <[3j]> yahoo is very slow
[13:23] <Kindred_Soul> GOTTA love yahoo !!!
[13:23] <Mr_Odd> huh?
[13:23] <Kindred_Soul> hi 3j
[13:23] <obany> to much people downloading ... it was faster earlier on
[13:23] <Mr_Odd> why was my name dropped?
[13:24] <Mr_Odd> i have never made a statement remotely RESEMBLING "WE WERE CREATED TO VIEW THE UNIVERSE IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE UNIVERSE MIGHT SEE ITSELF"
[13:24] <Mr_Odd> why lie?
[13:24] <Kindred_Soul> no i had that consideration
[13:25] <Mr_Odd> what?
[13:25] <Mr_Odd> make sense
[13:25] <Kindred_Soul> as for a purpose for our existance
[13:25] <Mr_Odd> so then why did you use my name?
[13:26] <Kindred_Soul> i used your names to direct it at you
[13:26] <Mr_Odd> uhhhh
[13:26] <Kindred_Soul> sorry, it didnt come out right
[13:26] <Mr_Odd> then who is "he?"
[13:26] <Kindred_Soul> Aaron donahue
[13:27] <Kindred_Soul> he's a remote viewer, won the lotto
[13:27] <Mr_Odd> i see...
[13:27] <Kindred_Soul> fatalist, big time
[13:29] <Kindred_Soul> was comparing his future view of reality on earth with nancys
[13:30] <Mr_Odd> how so? blatanly false and lacking in any concrete data?
[13:31] <Kindred_Soul> well mr Odd, ive never felt concrete data is truely neccessary
[13:31] <Kindred_Soul> usually have that after the fact though
[13:32] <Mr_Odd> yep
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[13:32] <Mr_Odd> but thinking like that lends itself to sheep-behavior
[13:32] <Kindred_Soul> do you sense anything at all regarding doom and gloom?
[13:32] <Mr_Odd> actually, indeed i do
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[13:32] <Mr_Odd> have a for a couple months now
[13:32] <Kindred_Soul> just checking, i sense it also
[13:32] <Mr_Odd> though i associated it more with some sort of terrorist strike brought on by the US gov't's idiocy
[13:32] <joe1> hi
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[13:33] <joe1> all
[13:33] <Mr_Odd> hi
[13:33] <Mr_Odd> joel
[13:33] <Mr_Odd> errr joe1 rathewr
[13:33] <joe1> whats the sense in all this?
[13:33] <Mr_Odd> rather, rather
[13:33] <Kindred_Soul> i because of this feeling have moved my family out of the bay area of california, to eastern washington state
[13:34] <joe1> great
[13:34] <Kindred_Soul> trying to prepare for the worsed case scenerio
[13:34] <joe1> so whats news then gang any interesting links for me today
[13:34] <Kindred_Soul> hard to do with out funding though
[13:34] <joe1> yep
[13:34] <joe1> so is it on its way then
[13:34] <Kindred_Soul> hi joe
[13:35] <joe1> oh heloo Kindred
[13:35] <Kindred_Soul> i dont know joe
[13:35] <joe1> any space for me i m in uk
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[13:36] <Kindred_Soul> the others in here were downloading files from yahoo provided by steve i think
[13:36] <joe1> all i want is a rum somewhere, far away from the cold night air.......
[13:36] <joe1> its not a joke
[13:37] <joe1> thanks so kindred where r u
[13:37] <joe1> mate
[13:37] <Kindred_Soul> im in washington state now
[13:37] <Kindred_Soul> almost into idaho
[13:37] <joe1> nice one
[13:37] <Kindred_Soul> about the safest place i could get to
[13:37] <joe1> ok
[13:38] <Kindred_Soul> if i could i would migrate up to alberta canada, outside of calgary
[13:38] <Kindred_Soul> but just not possible at the moment
[13:39] <kwandrie> anybody hear the stan deyo iinterview on coast to coast the other day?
[13:40] <Kindred_Soul> missed most of it
[13:40] <Kindred_Soul> he's an interesting guy though
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[13:43] <[3j]> whats he about
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[13:47] <Kindred_Soul> stan devo?
[13:47] <ShadowCow> Deyo
[13:47] <[3j]> yeah and his appearance on coast to coast
[13:47] * obany sets mode: +l 38
[13:47] <Kindred_Soul> he has his own website
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[13:50] <Kindred_Soul> www.artbell.com
[13:50] <Kindred_Soul> sorry
[13:50] <Kindred_Soul> wrong window
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[13:51] <ShadowCow> They have some of the best preparedness info on Stan Deyo's site.
[13:51] <Kindred_Soul> i agree
[13:51] <Kindred_Soul> but he is really religious, isnt he?
[13:54] <ShadowCow> Yeah, but their info is very solid.
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[13:56] <Nibiru> somebody must fix the channel limit
[13:56] <Nibiru> can't join channel (channel is full) a tousent times..
[13:56] * [3j] sets mode: +l 48
[13:56] <[3j]> probably will get readjusted to 38 though soon..
[13:57] <[3j]> 400bytes/s download from yahoo :P
[13:57] <Silk> Yahoo is slow as hell
[13:57] <Silk> One 4 meg file has taken over an hour now
[13:58] <[3j]> maybe they throttle the bandwidth per briefcase
[13:58] <Silk> on bradband
[13:58] <Silk> braodband*
[13:58] <Silk> geeeez
[13:58] <[3j]> yeah fast line
[13:58] <Jurian> I'm working on another location.. hang on :p
[13:58] <Silk> great Jurian. I have almost 2 gigs of things to download later
[13:58] <Silk> can't be messing with these
[13:59] <Jurian> heh, the machine I'm getting them on only is dsl as well, but if we are nice, and go one or 2 at a time, it'll be much faster than yahoo :p
[14:00] <Silk> anything is faster than this
[14:00] <Jurian> yeah
[14:00] <Jurian> as long as not everyone jumps at it.. :)
[14:01] <Silk> I'd put them on mh own FTP server, but I'd be accused of "tampering" :o)
[14:02] <Jurian> heh, I can generate an md5sum list of the "untampered" files, so people can validate they're for real
[14:03] <dwander> few people can or would validate such things anyway - people will continue to believe their own opinions
[14:03] <Jurian> true
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[14:03] <Jurian> but at least it would PROVE they're untampered with, to anyone with a clue :)
[14:03] <Jurian> good luck, tampering with files, AND producing the same md5sum
[14:04] <Silk> true, but you know how it is.
[14:05] <Jurian> heh, yeah.. people dont think too hard
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[14:05] <Silk> I just got banned by Obany for pointing Mr Odd to a ZetaTalk web page
[14:05] <dwander> Since Nancy is claiming PX is moving according to it's own rules, not normal physics/orbits, any unknown objects in the near vicinity can be claimed for it
[14:05] <obany> only a kick silk
[14:05] <obany> not a ban
[14:05] <Silk> wHY?
[14:05] <obany> there is a difference you know
[14:05] <Silk> nOT LIKE i PPOINTED HIM TO nasa
[14:05] <dwander> then another one on the next image, and so on
[14:05] <obany> okay silk
[14:05] <obany> well it was just a kick
[14:05] <Jurian> nah, just kicked
[14:05] <obany> and a kick is not a ban
[14:06] <Silk> Don't bother, it's not worth my time to have to log in every two seconds on someones paranoia
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[14:06] <Nibiru> why youset +m
[14:06] <Nibiru> why you set +m
[14:06] <Nibiru> why do you set +m
[14:06] <Nibiru> ohh..
[14:07] <Jurian> cause nancy is talking
[14:07] <Jurian> and please, dont repeat yourself :p
[14:07] <Nibiru> mm, sorry
[14:07] <Jurian> is ok :)
[14:07] <dwander> so the imaging won't mean anything until such time as it's supposed to show a disk
[14:08] <Silk> and movement in the same time frame, against the same field stars
[14:08] <Mr_Odd> sheesh nancy = stalin
[14:08] <dwander> yes, but she has all sorts of reasons for odd movements
[14:08] <Jurian> well, unless other astronomers image the thing as well, at the same place (or whatever the normal procedure is, for new objects, fucked if I know), these imags prove NOTHING :)
[14:08] <Mr_Odd> as soon as something rational comes up that goes against what she says, she either bans you, or puts it on +m and changes the subject
[14:08] <Jurian> they're interesting, of course, but cannot be seen as proof
[14:09] <Silk> Agreed Jurian
[14:09] <Jurian> of course, if there really IS something out there, I sure as hell hope other astronomers will have the guts to say so
[14:09] <obany> Jurian: spoken as true dutchman . down to earth .. seeing is believing ... :)
[14:09] <nibiruAFK> http://www.daveyd.com/paristrack.mp3 good rap song about illuminaty and conspiracy
[14:09] <Silk> there's over 100,000 amateurs all over the world, you'd think one would
[14:10] <Jurian> nothign to do with being dutch.. its called having a brain, and common sense :p
[14:10] <Mr_Odd> indeed silk, many HAVE
[14:10] <dwander> actually, if it really is something moving under such different rules, astronomers might well miss it for a long time
[14:10] <Mr_Odd> but what they have done is speak out AGAINST px
[14:10] <Silk> many have Mr Odd?
[14:10] <Mr_Odd> :)
[14:10] <Silk> oh, ok
[14:10] <Jurian> hehe, yes but all those work for nasa!
[14:10] <obany> Jurian: well yes, but the dutch are known to be down to earth :) and you are one .. well so am i .. but maybe i am not a real dutchman :)
[14:10] <Jurian> silk works for nasa as well
[14:10] <Silk> heh, I wish
[14:11] <Nibiru> NASA sux..
[14:11] <Jurian> you do, you just don't know it! :P
[14:11] <Nibiru> nasa post topic about the planet
[14:11] <Silk> where the hells my check?
[14:11] <Mr_Odd> actually only a handful work for NASA, heh
[14:11] <Nibiru> for one day
[14:11] <Nibiru> then the russinas seen it
[14:11] <Mr_Odd> many of them are independant researchers operating under international grants
[14:11] <Nibiru> and NASA hide it
[14:11] <Jurian> silk: stop sleeping on the job, and you might get some! :P
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[14:11] <Silk> damn, work nights, part time days, what do they want?
[14:12] <obany> Jurian: waarom ga je zelf niet naar een observatorium dan of is dat zelfs niet genoeg ? :)
[14:12] <Silk> up to 77% Jurian
[14:12] <obany> of mot de nasa het eerst maar fftjes zegge :P
[14:12] <joe1> hello oba\ny
[14:13] <Jurian> obany: dat is niet genoeg, nee :p
[14:13] <dwander> One interresting 'contradiction is that it's supposed to be visible even in the daytime for 7 weeks prior, yet is only supposed to spent 3 months inside the orbit of Saturn...
[14:13] <Mr_Odd> please explain, dwander
[14:13] <Silk> I thought that was three months to cross the whole orbit of Saturn?
[14:13] <joe1> hello, odd
[14:14] <Nibiru> 3 months panic.. when poople seen it :)
[14:14] <Silk> not just the radius
[14:14] <joe1> hello kindred
[14:14] <joe1> heloo everyoe
[14:14] <joe1> helloo
[14:14] <joe1> how r u all
[14:14] <Nibiru> after that.. only 10% alive.. right?
[14:14] <nibiruAFK> second week of april for naked eyes
[14:14] <dwander> I believe that's what I said, Silk
[14:14] <joe1> thats serious
[14:14] <joe1> stuff
[14:14] <Silk> oh, ok, I see that
[14:15] <joe1> thatsa serious
[14:15] <joe1> yeah yeah go on
[14:15] <joe1> im tellin you its not funny
[14:15] <joe1> not funny its not
[14:16] <dwander> of course it's funny!  would be even more funny if true!
[14:16] <Nibiru> are you afraif of death.. ?:)
[14:16] <joe1> is not funny
[14:16] <Nibiru> afraid*
[14:16] <nibiruAFK>  would be even more funny if true! yes
[14:16] <joe1> yeah yes yes
[14:16] <dwander> tragic things always have elements of humor
[14:16] <nibiruAFK> lol
[14:16] <joe1> oh oh oh
[14:16] <joe1> scooooooobs
[14:16] <Nibiru> it's only death..
[14:16] <Nibiru> then.. reborn
[14:16] <joe1> scooooooooooooooooooooooobs yikes
[14:17] <Nibiru> clear the memories and start again..
[14:17] <joe1> its death scooooooooooobs
[14:17] <joe1> ok
[14:17] <joe1> i ll get a grip
[14:17] <joe1> grip
[14:17] <joe1> i ll grip
[14:17] <Nibiru> but you soul is in new level
[14:17] <joe1> grip grip
[14:17] <dwander> get a gripe instead...:)
[14:17] <Nibiru> higher than before
[14:17] <Mr_Odd> i just recently lost a great portion of my fear of death
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[14:19] <carlo> wow the ZT think Taken was about them
[14:19] <dwander> guess they were 'Taken' with the series
[14:19] <carlo> lol
[14:19] <Mr_Odd> hahaha
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[14:20] <carlo> i want to ask   if  zetas  confused id4 and independace day? or nancy did?
[14:20] <Jurian> nancy probably did
[14:20] <Nibiru> what do you thing about the serial X files..
[14:20] <ShadowCow> Obany will just boot you for that.
[14:20] <Jurian> what does it matter tho?
[14:20] <Nibiru> like idea i mean
[14:22] <obany> Nibiru: has been answered in zetatalk already about the x-files
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[14:22] <carlo> those ZT and nancy are long winded  this answer seems longer then show
[14:22] <joe1> ok hi
[14:22] <Nibiru> obany and what's the answer
[14:22] <dwander> hehe...they always talk a lot about such 'safe' subjects
[14:22] <joe1> im back folks
[14:23] <joe1> im here hello i love u all and its true
[14:23] <joe1> for i am here
[14:23] <joe1> here to say hello
[14:23] <joe1> to all
[14:23] <joe1> to you hello
[14:23] <Mr_Odd> hello, joe1
[14:24] <joe1> so who reckons what about this planet?
[14:24] <joe1> lets get to the nittyy
[14:24] <ShadowCow> I don't get the Jesus and Aliens thing,.
[14:24] <joe1> of the gritty
[14:24] <Mr_Odd> i reckon nancy's a nutcase
[14:24] <dwander> what planet?
[14:24] <z> hmmm... planet is going down the political toilet with or without ZT
[14:24] <Mr_Odd> hehe
[14:24] <Mr_Odd> <3 [3j]
[14:24] <carlo> think prozack would help her?
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[14:24] <joe1> hello mr odd
[14:25] <Jurian> oh please, if you must insult her, go do it somewhere else
[14:25] <[3j]> <3 ?
[14:25] <z> rumour has it <3 is that warm fuzzy feeling you get way deep down inside
[14:25] <joe1> they say your odd but not as odd as u look
[14:25] <Jurian> you dont have to agree with zetatalk, not at all, but dont go giving nancy shit, serves no purpose
[14:25] <Mr_Odd> true =\
[14:25] <Mr_Odd> mb
[14:25] <nibiruAFK> ban odd he is a asshole
[14:25] <Mr_Odd> !
[14:25] <nibiruAFK> :)
[14:25] <Mr_Odd> wtf
[14:26] <joe1> cum guys lets not get rude no reason too
[14:26] <joe1> come on
[14:26] <joe1> we are adults here
[14:26] * [3j] sets mode: +b Mr_Odd!*@*
[14:26] <ShadowCow> If they banned every asshole on this channel, there would be Chanserv and Funbot left.
[14:26] <joe1> are we not
[14:26] <[3j]> weird it came out purple instead of green
[14:26] <Mr_Odd> HAHAHAHA SC :)
[14:26] <dwander> hard to tell who may be an adult...
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[14:26] <HrnyJdt> ShadowCow: i don't think so, heh.
[14:26] * HrnyJdt and judit and jur would still be here =x
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[14:27] <joe1> so whos from the great big uk of uk
[14:27] <joe1> then hello
[14:27] <joe1> my mates
[14:27] <joe1> out there
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[14:27] <joe1> my heart felt greetings to you i love u
[14:28] <joe1> i do love you all
[14:28] <[3j]> aww
[14:28] <joe1> now a friend in need is a friend indeed
[14:28] <Jurian> hrm, the new fits files are interesting, to say the least :)
[14:28] <joe1> you are all my friends and i yours
[14:28] <dwander> always nice to have friends in deeds...:)
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[14:29] <k000t1> nice one joe
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[14:29] * Jurian needs a fits viewer that does medians, instead of just sums
[14:29] <Jurian> anyone know of one?
[14:29] <Nibiru> questing
[14:29] <Silk> IRIS Jurian
[14:29] <Nibiru> is the private ignored
[14:29] <Nibiru> for nancy i talk
[14:29] <Jurian> any idea where I can get that? :)
[14:29] <Nibiru> question ..
[14:29] <Silk> just a sec
[14:29] <joe1> and so lets get on with it6
[14:29] <[3j]> atrojuarez.com !
[14:29] <dwander> at this point, I'm happy enough to wait til March/April to not see Px...
[14:30] <obany> Jurian : and for linux there is xephem .. not sure anymore if that one does medians tho
[14:30] <joe1> where is this x planet anyone where is it
[14:30] <dwander> inside Nancy
[14:30] <Jurian> hrm, I can try that later on, if iris doesn't work out :)
[14:30] <joe1> friends where is it
[14:31] <joe1> for true love breeds great friendships does it not
[14:31] <[3j]> heh
[14:31] <joe1> wise men fools clowns and kings
[14:31] <Silk> http://astrosurf.com/buil/  Jurian
[14:31] <Jurian> thanks! :)
[14:31] <Silk> np
[14:31] <Jurian> median IS what we should use, isn't it?
[14:32] <Silk> yes, until "it" can be shown as a disk
[14:32] <Jurian> right, okay then :)
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[14:33] <joe1> yes of course and so we go on on and onnn
[14:33] <joe1> and onnn
[14:34] <dwander> hehe..just a few more months
[14:34] <joe1> uyes we do so is it cumming then
[14:34] <joe1> whos seen it
[14:34] <dwander> yes...or not
[14:34] <joe1> the vatican?
[14:34] <Silk> Steve Havas, or rather he was told he saw it
[14:35] <dwander> he circles stuff he can't ID and asks "Is this it?"
[14:35] <joe1> and so sweet gentle loving kindred spirits i wish you a happy holidays
[14:35] <joe1> yes i doo
[14:35] <joe1> i do indeed
[14:35] <joe1>  i do
[14:36] <joe1> i do inddeed
[14:36] <joe1> i do
[14:36] <Silk> dwander, I liked Nancy's statement of accuracy. It was right where the Zetas said it would be.
[14:36] <Kindred_Soul> so how far is the object that steve imaged from pluto?
[14:36] <Silk> After the Zetas told her where it was
[14:36] <joe1> sweet friends yes  i do
[14:36] <Silk> 15 billion miles, 3-4 times the distance of Pluto
[14:36] <Kindred_Soul> thanks silk
[14:37] <Silk> images the moons too <g>
[14:37] <dwander> hehe...that distance, and supposed to be here in mere months
[14:37] <joe1> excellent one there d
[14:37] <Kindred_Soul> so when does it kick into hyper drive to get close to earth?
[14:37] <joe1> who knows
[14:37] <Mr_Odd> it doesn't.
[14:37] <Nibiru> i wanna leave this planet :(
[14:37] <joe1> it will cum when it will
[14:37] <Silk> Nancy claims it speeds up and slows down, so, hard to say
[14:37] <Nibiru> this is prison..
[14:37] <[3j]> oh yeah i read that, the page said they could see the moons around px ..
[14:37] <dwander> not unless it's the ZT mothership...
[14:37] <joe1> it will cum
[14:38] <joe1> for it has been in dreams
[14:38] <joe1> in dreams it has been
[14:38] <joe1> in many dreams
[14:38] <[3j]> they would need some really powerful telescopes to see those
[14:38] <joe1> jesters kings wisemen and fools
[14:38] <joe1> dreams
[14:39] <Silk> we can barely image Charon with terrestrial scopes
[14:39] <joe1> it will be comeing
[14:39] <Jurian> hrm, this IRIS thing looks complicated :D
[14:39] <[3j]> exactly silk
[14:39] <Silk> heh, you'll get it after a while Jurian
[14:39] <Jurian> silk: care to gimme a quick course "making a good image out of a pile of fits files" ? :)
[14:40] <Silk> subtract the dark from all files, saving each as new name
[14:40] <Silk> then median combine them
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[14:40] <Silk> if Steve has a bias frame, divide the dark by the bias before subtracting from the frames
[14:40] <Kindred_Soul> so someone figure out this for me, if this is really planetX by next month it would have to appear, what 10 times bigger, 100 times bigger, anyone have a clue?
[14:41] <ShadowCow> Wow.  The Deyos have come out radically anti-alien.  Good for them.
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[14:41] <Jurian> ooookay.. complicated stuff, these fits puppies :)
[14:41] <dwander> it will grow in proportion to Nancy's ego?  :)
[14:42] <Silk> Yes Jurian. It takes a lot of processing before you become adept at it
[14:42] <Jurian> yeah, that much is clear to me :)
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[14:42] <Silk> And Iris is no great program, very basic
[14:42] <Jurian> I used "cadet" before, but that just combines them, I think, and subtracts the darks
[14:43] <Jurian> yeah well, i want a median, not just a summary :p
[14:44] <Silk> Never used Cadet, but I think it's more basic than Iris
[14:44] <Jurian> doesn't do medians
[14:44] <Silk> has to be then
[14:45] <Jurian> it sure likes to eat a lot of cpu power tho! :)
[14:45] <Silk> yep, especially with large files
[14:46] <Silk> works OK on a 750 Athlon, anything slower I don;t know
[14:46] <Jurian> 1 GHz here :)
[14:46] <Jurian> and plenty of RAM
[14:46] <Silk> should be fine
[14:46] <Jurian> yeah, is ok :)
[14:47] <Jurian> now, I need to figure out which file is what..
[14:47] <Jurian> argh, and the uploads just died and steve's out for a few
[14:47] <Silk> I've got 4 dowloaded, but it won't let me get the rest
[14:48] <Silk> well, I'll get them later, kids want to go shopping, so I'm out
[14:48] <Silk> have fun all
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[14:49] <Nibiru> a friend of mine know English very good
[14:49] <Nibiru> we will translate in English exactly what i mean with my words..
[14:49] <dwander> hehe...here Nancy shows us that she knows nothing of tsunami...
[14:50] <Nibiru> then Nancy will understand me..
[14:50] <Jurian> what language do you normally talk?
[14:51] <Nibiru> Bulgarian
[14:51] <dwander> gotta phase out all those little languages...:)
[14:51] <Nibiru> little language.. but country with long history..
[14:52] <Jurian> I can't help with that then :)
[14:52] <PlanetX> nibiru u wanna go on they ship lol
[14:52] <dwander> hehe...that's what all the little old cultures say...:)
[14:52] <Nibiru> PlanetX everything is possible
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[14:52] <Nibiru> you must just know the right way..
[14:54] <Nibiru> a learn myself(don't know how to said it right) to conrol my dreams, to thing in alpha level.. and other things.. nothing imposible..
[14:55] <Kindred_Soul> planetX getting from where it is supposedly now to here by may is impossible
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[14:56] <dwander> not with it's super-hyper-drive!!  :)
[14:56] <Kindred_Soul> lol
[14:56] <Nibiru> say the same simple
[14:56] <Kindred_Soul> i want a super hyper drinve for my old van
[14:56] <Jurian> its not even hitting 1/10th of the light speed, so how'd you come up with impossible?
[14:57] <Nibiru> with today techology it's imposible to travel in space.. far away i mean
[14:57] <Nibiru> so what other choice we have..
[14:57] <Nibiru> we must be taken
[14:57] <Kindred_Soul> give me an example of any other thing observed that has shown that speed
[14:58] <Nibiru> from who.. wrom aliens
[14:58] <Nibiru> wrom - from*
[14:58] <dwander> don't you know that Px uses only 'laws' of physics unknown to human science?
[14:59] <Nibiru> and how can we say to some alien.. "take me!"
[14:59] <Kindred_Soul> oh i forgot
[14:59] <Nibiru> that's Nancy
[15:00] <Kindred_Soul> i can belive alot....i can belive planetX is out there, that aliens exist and such, but i have problems with the timing of all this
[15:01] <Nibiru> she can say our messages to them
[15:01] <Nibiru> hmm.. them - they
[15:01] <Nibiru> not sure
[15:01] <Nibiru> aliens i mean
[15:02] <Nibiru> just wanna say.. that there are no such thing like impossible thing
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[15:03] <Nibiru> you must just find a way to do it
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[15:03] <Nibiru> i thing nobody reading what i wrote
[15:04] <Nibiru> sorry for disturbing you :(
[15:04] <Kindred_Soul> im reading it
[15:04] <[3j]> yeah dont disturb me again!
[15:04] <Kindred_Soul> 3j, lol
[15:04] * [3j] r0ars
[15:05] <Nibiru> Kindred_Soul what do you thing..
[15:05] <Kindred_Soul> i believe we shape our reality
[15:05] <Kindred_Soul> co-create
[15:06] <Kindred_Soul> but we have self-imposed limitations
[15:06] <Nibiru> why you thing there is any limit
[15:06] <Nibiru> no limit
[15:06] <Kindred_Soul> i think the arrival date for planetX is impossible
[15:06] <Nibiru> the limit is in your brain
[15:07] <Kindred_Soul> the limit is a neccessary part of the game
[15:07] <Nibiru> if we use bigger part of it.. we will be able to do so many things..
[15:07] <dwander> looks like some interresting game play on its way this coming year
[15:08] <dwander> they should start the war games in the desert next year, if nothing else
[15:08] <Kindred_Soul> lol
[15:08] <Kindred_Soul> hey this is j
[15:08] <Kindred_Soul> oops
[15:08] <Kindred_Soul> wrong comp again
[15:08] <Kindred_Soul> sorry
[15:11] <Kindred_Soul> so jurian, are you saying you have no problem with the speed needed to get this planet close to earth by may 2003?
[15:11] <Jurian> I"m saying I find it very unlikely, but not 100% impossible
[15:11] <Nibiru> well.. abaut May 2003
[15:12] <Nibiru> i'm glad that
[15:12] <Kindred_Soul> its not like my evualation is grounded in science, i am ignorant of what is possible and will be the first to admit it
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[15:12] <Nibiru> this event wil come so arlier
[15:13] <dwander> there you go...nancy is saying that all humanity is ignorent of any science involving Px motion
[15:13] <Mr_Odd> mmmhmm... or optics, or terrestrial makeup, or psychology and anatomy, or ethics....
[15:14] <Kindred_Soul> if the next set of images are showing it 1oo times more massive, then i will rethink my position
[15:14] <dwander> ethics is a science????  :)
[15:14] <Mr_Odd> i meant those topics to replace "science involving px motion" not just "px motion"
[15:14] <dwander> yep, if it really 'grew' that much in the past 2 weeks, it needs to grow even more in the next 2
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[15:17] <Nibiru> Kindred_Soul where are you from
[15:18] <Kindred_Soul> im in the usa
[15:18] <Kindred_Soul> washington state by idaho
[15:18] <dwander> <---also in WA state
[15:18] <Kindred_Soul> where in wa?
[15:18] <dwander> near Tacoma
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[15:18] <Nibiru> <-- Bulgaria, Varna state
[15:19] <Kindred_Soul> by the volcanoes?
[15:19] <dwander> no volcano near me
[15:19] <Kindred_Soul> dweander, you live on the edge buddy
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[15:19] <dwander> I'm across the sound from them all
[15:19] <Kindred_Soul> ok
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[15:20] <Kindred_Soul> if you use yahoo chat, im wantonace on there
[15:20] <Kindred_Soul> feel free to add me to your buddy list
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[15:20] <dwander> I'm odwander there...dwander was taken
[15:20] <Kindred_Soul> ok
[15:21] <Kindred_Soul> need to go shopping now
[15:21] <Kindred_Soul> thanks all for the chat
[15:21] <dwander> I don't use it often, but sometimes I wander into a Yahoo chat
[15:21] <Kindred_Soul> i'll add you later today
[15:21] <Kindred_Soul> farewell
[15:21] <dwander> have fun
[15:21] <Nibiru> Kindred_Soul 10x to u 2
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[15:21] <Nibiru> my mail is Cool007@g00net.org
[15:22] <Nibiru> Kindred_Soul No such nick
[15:22] <Nibiru> f*ck.. :>
[15:22] <dwander> ran off too fast for you
[15:22] <Mr_Odd> whowas kindred_soul
[15:22] <Mr_Odd> oh fuck forgot the / lol
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[17:04] <ShadowCow> Just remember that if the aliens don't believe in Jesus, that they are only here to eat you.
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[17:12] <monk> lol
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[17:24] <PilsDB> good day all
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[17:43] <SteveD> Hello, first time here
[17:44] <PoleShifterr> hey
[17:45] <PoleShifterr> don,t know where all the others are.. hehe
[17:45] <PoleShifterr> so what do you think about all this stuff?
[17:45] <PoleShifterr> have you read the logs chats ?
[17:45] <SteveD> I have been in these chat rooms like 2-3 times and never see anyone talk
[17:45] <SteveD> uh, no
[17:45] <PoleShifterr> hmm
[17:45] <PoleShifterr> strange
[17:45] <PoleShifterr> well
[17:46] <SteveD> But then I may have and just don't know what you are refering to by that term
[17:46] <PoleShifterr> people go only on #zetatalk saturday for the chat with Nancy, else its always empty
[17:46] <SteveD> I completely yield to the possibility that I misunderstand a great many things.
[17:46] <PoleShifterr> here it depends, usually there is always 1-2 peoples online :)
[17:47] <SteveD> Could be I never tried this one
[17:47] <SteveD> I don't remember
[17:47] <SteveD> which ones I went in
[17:47] <SteveD> So how long have you been following this stuff?
[17:47] <PoleShifterr> yeah, there is so many probabilities.. how can we really be SURE what is THE future
[17:47] <SteveD> Zetatalk/pole shift
[17:48] <SteveD> It would explain a lot
[17:48] <PoleShifterr> well when its not the right time for the chat (between 1hour before it start and after 1 hour it has been finished) dont even try there is no one.... come here instead
[17:48] <SteveD> Mirrors the book of revelation when you match up the predicted events from each.
[17:48] <PoleShifterr> i've been following for abouth 8 months
[17:49] <SteveD> ok
[17:49] <PoleShifterr> yeah i agree
[17:49] <SteveD> I have started to build somewhat of a survial plan
[17:49] <PoleShifterr> the poleshift theory explain lots of things
[17:49] <SteveD> yep
[17:50] <PoleShifterr> most scientist agree anyway that something is going on
[17:50] <PoleShifterr> its undeniable now..
[17:50] <SteveD> even the whole in the ozone disapeared
[17:50] <SteveD> hole
[17:50] <PoleShifterr> with all the increasing earthquakes, temperatures rising, even mars, jupiter and pluto are being affected..
[17:51] <SteveD> Yesterday sent chills with about 6-7 5.0 or better on the pacific rim
[17:51] <PoleShifterr> so it CAN'T be only a "humans effect"
[17:51] <SteveD> I don't give humans that much credit (don't claim to be anything but human)
[17:52] <SteveD> Do you live in a "safe" place or where you need to skidaddle from in april?
[17:53] <SteveD> I live about 20 miles east of Washington DC, I've had escape & evacuation plans since 911.  
[17:53] <SteveD> The Zetatalk stuff just made them a lot more elaborate.
[17:54] <PoleShifterr> well
[17:54] <PoleShifterr> i have to move
[17:54] <PoleShifterr> but not too far..
[17:54] <PoleShifterr> i'm in montreal, quebec
[17:54] <SteveD> cool
[17:54] <PilsDB> yet another Canuck
[17:54] <PilsDB> we seem to be all over this stuff
[17:54] <PoleShifterr> :/
[17:55] <PilsDB> PoleShifterr I'm in Manitoba
[17:55] <SteveD> I put a message on the yahoo message board for newbies right before  I came outlining my plan with a traler and some quickcrete.  I'd be interested what you might think about them.
[17:55] <SteveD> the plans that is
[17:56] <PilsDB> don't forget to add some rebar
[17:56] <SteveD> I was going to use chainlink fence wrapped around it
[17:56] <PoleShifterr> hehehe pills cool :)
[17:56] <PilsDB> that'll work
[17:56] <SteveD> use sand bags to achieve that dome shape
[17:57] <SteveD> Just got a SW radio tonight from Radio shack.
[17:57] <SteveD> collecting info on car gennerator wind mills
[17:57] <PoleShifterr> sand bags are a good idea
[17:57] <SteveD> Got some solar panels
[17:58] <SteveD> Stopped at a truck stop today to and picked up a 12V cooking pot
[17:58] <PilsDB> better idea would be to learn how to start a fire without matches/lighters though
[17:58] <SteveD> I figure if I put the sand bags under the chainlink and cement they should work out ok
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[17:59] <SteveD> Got flint last week
[17:59] <PoleShifterr> hehehe
[17:59] <SteveD> I have boy scout and Military background
[17:59] <ShadowCow> Just remember to practice and keep your tinder dry
[17:59] <PoleShifterr> what does your family say about all this ?
[17:59] <SteveD> My wife thinks I sick
[17:59] <SteveD> lol
[18:00] <PoleShifterr> hehehe
[18:00] <SteveD> Hav'nt told anyone else really.
[18:00] <PoleShifterr> i wished i had a military background too
[18:00] <PoleShifterr> it helps a lot
[18:00] <SteveD> Just more traffic on my escape route.  Sounds bad, but it's my family that is my priority
[18:00] <ShadowCow> If you're 20 miles east of DC, it's going to be a pig to get clear of the insanity.
[18:01] <PoleShifterr> true, you'll have to move before the big peak
[18:01] <SteveD> I already put in for leave for April 15 for two weeks.  Figure I can collect a pay check up until the end to pay for stuff locally.
[18:01] <SteveD> I figure a lot of folks will be in denial
[18:02] <PoleShifterr> where are you going to go ?
[18:02] <SteveD> I figure a lot of the religous types will think there about to get picked up by Jesus
[18:02] <ShadowCow> I'm not certain that the western routes are going to be passable, and I'm not certain that the back roads are navigable enough for most people.
[18:02] <SteveD> West
[18:03] <SteveD> Actually north then west
[18:03] <PoleShifterr> for sure there will be lots of denial..
[18:03] <PilsDB> no there won't :)
[18:03] <PoleShifterr> but again if we're sure its coming by this time..
[18:03] <SteveD> And by the time the people that are adaptable enough to do something, it will be too late for them.
[18:03] <ShadowCow> We had a power outage this week and I can tell you that there are people STILL in denial, even though they had spoiled food and burst pipes.
[18:05] <SteveD> I did some recon today out as far as Hagerstown to identify different routes.  I grew up in columbia and went to school in Frostburg so I know quite a few of the side routes.
[18:05] <PoleShifterr> well i can understand peoples not believing in the PX theory.. but peoples not believing something is happenning......
[18:05] <ShadowCow> It's making the neck at Hancock that is going to be the trick.
[18:05] <SteveD> Just looking today for a way to get over potomac well west of DC
[18:06] <ShadowCow> 522 at Hancock, if they don't have it shut down.
[18:06] <SteveD> 340 at Frederick, go through near hapers ferry and then you can catch I81
[18:06] <ShadowCow> If something big happens, you'll see the 340 bridge either choked to a halt or closed.
[18:07] <SteveD> I plan to move when I see the planet in April
[18:07] <SteveD> Not going to wait until then
[18:07] <PoleShifterr> to move
[18:07] <ShadowCow> It's a 2 lane bridge with a traffic signal on the VA side.  The take out for a kayak trip we take a lot is there.  Big mess.
[18:08] <SteveD> I am aquiring my stuff now and have it loaded in my trailer in the garage.  When I have indicatior enough I will hook it up to my truck and go.
[18:08] <PoleShifterr> excellent idea
[18:08] <PoleShifterr> the fastest you move, the better it is
[18:08] <PilsDB> don't forget to have a few extra FULL gas cans
[18:09] <SteveD> I'm bilding a second gas tank in the bed of my PU out of fiber glass.
[18:09] <PilsDB> good plan
[18:10] <SteveD> Pick up my 9mm monday.  And my shotgun getting new rings.  
[18:10] <SteveD> I bought 4 of the foxfire books today to.
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[18:11] <PilsDB> what's a foxfire book?
[18:11] <SteveD> Shadowcow, you sure are familiar with this area.
[18:11] <SteveD> They are a set of books on Appalation mountain living.  The way it used to be.
[18:11] <PilsDB> ahh
[18:11] <SteveD> How to build a log cabin, use herbs for medicine.
[18:11] <ShadowCow> I'm too close to DC myself.
[18:11] <SteveD> How to make moonshine.
[18:12] <SteveD> cool, but then not cool.
[18:12] <fetus> did anyone manage to download the new images?
[18:12] <SteveD> What are you doing?
[18:12] <ShadowCow> In terms of?
[18:12] <PoleShifterr> fetus: well you can take a look at them
[18:12] <SteveD> place to go, ect.....
[18:12] <PoleShifterr> its on the zetatalk website
[18:13] <ShadowCow> I'm working at not being a grasshopper.  Our plans are pretty varied.
[18:13] <SteveD> Most of MD and VA will be underwater unitl you almost hit front royal
[18:13] <fetus> i still cant seem to get them..
[18:13] <PilsDB> I'm in a rural area and should be ready for it.  I'm going very basic (low-tech)
[18:13] <PoleShifterr> fetus: which one ?
[18:13] <z> i heard which one was it? the circles or the rectangles should we be looking in?
[18:14] <fetus> the bmp zip for dec 14
[18:14] <SteveD> What's a Grasshopper?
[18:14] <SteveD> in this sense
[18:14] <PoleShifterr> fetus: dont think there is image for dec 14..
[18:14] <ShadowCow> An insect that steals food from other insects.
[18:14] <PoleShifterr> fetus: last one i saw was dec 6
[18:15] <SteveD> ahh, neither do I.  The firearms are to ensure safety.
[18:15] <fetus> new images just came out today..
[18:15] <PoleShifterr> oh yeah..
[18:15] <PoleShifterr> hmm
[18:15] <PoleShifterr> hold on
[18:16] <PoleShifterr> hmm
[18:16] <PoleShifterr> where have you heard about it?
[18:17] <fetus> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm
[18:17] <fetus> you wern't at the session today?
[18:19] <PoleShifterr> no i missed it :/
[18:19] <PoleShifterr> what did she say about it
[18:20] <PoleShifterr> red personna and white personna still huge like in the dec6 ?
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[18:24] <PoleShifterr> i'm geting the image
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[18:24] <PoleShifterr> 2hrs remaining :/
[18:25] <PilsDB> and I thought my dial-up was slow...
[18:28] <PoleShifterr> hmm
[18:28] <PoleShifterr> its the server
[18:28] <PoleShifterr> im on a fast cable
[18:28] <SteveD> Gotta bolt, ya'll have a goood one
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[18:29] <PoleShifterr> yeah ok me too,  @+
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[18:29] <Jenkins3d> @=
[18:29] <Jenkins3d> @+
[18:29] <Jenkins3d> @+<
[18:30] <PilsDB> gotta go as well  ciao
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[18:40] <Jenkins3d> Hello
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[19:50] <Howmo> Sup?
[19:50] <Howmo> ??
[19:51] <Howmo> Anybody??
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[19:57] <Howmo> Z, hello
[19:57] <z> salut, Howmo
[19:57] <Howmo> Howaya?
[19:57] <Howmo> z, howaya?
[19:57] <z> no idea, howmo
[19:57] <Howmo> Z, too bad.
[19:57] <z> Howmo: huh?
[19:57] <Howmo> Z, no.
[19:57] <z> Howmo: excuse me?
[19:58] <Howmo> Z, you're excused.
[19:58] <z> Howmo: huh?
[19:58] <Howmo> z, no.
[19:58] <z> Howmo: huh?
[19:58] <Howmo> z, no.
[19:58] <z> Howmo: huh?
[19:58] <Howmo> z, no.
[19:58] <z> Howmo: sorry...
[19:58] <Howmo> z, you don't have to appologise.
[19:58] <z> Howmo: huh?
[19:58] <[3j]> what are you doing
[19:58] <Howmo> z, no.
[19:58] <z> Howmo: what?
[19:58] <Howmo> Having fun.
[19:58] <Howmo> Why?
[19:59] <[3j]> just wondering Howmo
[19:59] <Howmo> What's up, 3j?
[19:59] <[3j]> not much, you
[19:59] <Howmo> Why so quiet here?
[19:59] <[3j]> no idea
[20:00] <Howmo> Session today?
[20:00] <[3j]> every saturday theres one
[20:00] <Howmo> I usually talk to S7L here.
[20:00] <[3j]> yeah
[20:00] <Howmo> He around today?
[20:00] <[3j]> seen s7l
[20:00] <z> s7l was last seen on #troubled_times 6 days, 6 hours, 37 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: My suspicion is that it's an asteroid and probably doesn't quite follow the path predicted by Lieder, in which case it will be quite an embarrassment... But if it does, then I guess a few faces will make a 180° turn of opinion. [Sun Dec  8 14:23:14 2002]
[20:00] <Howmo> kool
[20:01] <[3j]> 6 days ago
[20:01] <Howmo> So, not today, it seems.
[20:01] <[3j]> hehe
[20:01] <[3j]> no :)
[20:01] <Howmo> z is quite knowledgeable.
[20:02] <[3j]> z, Howmo?
[20:02] <z> it has been said that Howmo is annoying
[20:02] <[3j]> !
[20:02] <[3j]> see you shouldnt of annoyed it so :(
[20:02] <Howmo> Yes, Iv'e heard that/
[20:02] <Howmo> !
[20:03] <Howmo> What can I say?
[20:03] <[3j]> i dont know
[20:04] <Howmo> Aparently it is "annoying" to ask questions that are left unanswered from before.
[20:04] <[3j]> hehe
[20:04] <Howmo> nancy just expects all to moove on...
[20:04] <[3j]> heh nancy
[20:04] <[3j]> kookoo
[20:04] <Howmo> ... and forget....
[20:04] <Howmo> What was said today?
[20:04] <[3j]> same old bs
[20:05] <[3j]> from what i watched anyway
[20:05] <[3j]> i was more interested trying to find a fast link to that yahoo briefcase with the new pics
[20:05] <[3j]> the new PX pics i mean
[20:05] <Howmo> I hear the new pics amy be "doctored"...
[20:05] <Howmo> may...
[20:05] <[3j]> well people will say that
[20:05] <Howmo> Never said it before.
[20:06] <[3j]> i have said 'may be doctored'
[20:06] <Howmo> Except for nancy.
[20:06] <[3j]> not these ones anyway
[20:06] <Howmo> What?
[20:06] <[3j]> i've said it
[20:06] <[3j]> that the pics maybe doctored
[20:06] <Howmo> I wonder about them shwing an actual "object".
[20:06] <[3j]> i dont know
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[20:06] <Howmo> .. instead fo noise.
[20:06] <[3j]> but last weeks pics it was funny
[20:07] <[3j]> it reads something like 'you can even see the PX moons!'
[20:07] <Howmo> Those "seemed to show an object.
[20:07] <[3j]> thankfully some intelligent people were on today and explained in good details how we can barely see charon from earth
[20:07] <Howmo> Did you see Asrah's pics on that?
[20:07] <[3j]> and pluto isnt that easy either
[20:07] <Howmo> Sarah's?
[20:07] <[3j]> but this PX is much much further
[20:07] <[3j]> no i dont know
[20:08] <[3j]> sarahMC? isnt she a zetadroid
[20:08] <Howmo> Sarah showed the WHOLE image and it is COVERED with "moons".
[20:08] <Howmo> !!
[20:08] <IQx> Hey [3j]
[20:08] <[3j]> hi IQx
[20:08] <IQx> Hey judit & juditness, Ogmios, superzod and the rest
[20:08] <Howmo> No, Sarah is sci.astro astronomer.
[20:09] <IQx> Whats new with the ZetaTalk scene =P Are we doomed or not
[20:09] <[3j]> ok sarah from sci.astro
[20:09] <Howmo> Yes...
[20:09] <[3j]> IQx, if you believe so
[20:09] <Howmo>  write your will....
[20:09] <IQx> Then only the believers will die ?
[20:09] <[3j]> i dont know :)
[20:09] <[3j]> but i will survive!
[20:09] <IQx> Well
[20:09] <IQx> Fill me up
[20:10] <IQx> Whats new with Nancy, the ZT Session
[20:10] <Howmo> Sarah showed the WHOLE image and it has DOZENS of those "moon" spots....
[20:10] <[3j]> eww, no thanks
[20:10] <IQx> Any imaging ?
[20:10] <Howmo> Yes, check "zetatalk"
[20:10] <Howmo> Zetasquawk.
[20:12] <Howmo> Hey, I just got kicked from "poleshiftdisscussion"...
[20:12] <Howmo> ... for only signing it and saying: "Sup?".
[20:13] <Howmo> Signing in...
[20:14] <Howmo> Got to go.....
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[20:16] <IQx> Oh Crap
[20:16] <IQx> So it might happen eh ?
[20:17] <IQx> I have to get my ass out of denial then and continue the preparations
[20:17] <[3j]> heh
[20:17] <IQx> 5 Months Left to Live
[20:17] <[3j]> thats alot of faith to put on the preaching of one single group
[20:17] <IQx> What single group ?
[20:17] <[3j]> zetatalk
[20:17] <z> zetatalk is zetatalk.com
[20:18] <IQx> zetatalk
[20:18] <z> somebody said zetatalk was a crock for the most part.
[20:18] <IQx> zetatalk
[20:18] <z> somebody said zetatalk was 100 percent accurate
[20:18] <IQx> zetatalk
[20:18] <z> it has been said that zetatalk is very political
[20:18] <IQx> zetatalk
[20:18] <z> i guess zetatalk is very political
[20:18] <IQx> Haha
[20:18] <IQx> zetatalk
[20:18] <z> i guess zetatalk is zetatalk.com
[20:18] <IQx> zetatalk
[20:18] <z> zetatalk is zetatalk.com
[20:18] <IQx> zetatalk
[20:18] <z> it has been said that zetatalk is very political
[20:18] <IQx> zetatalk
[20:18] <z> i guess zetatalk is 100 percent accurate
[20:18] <IQx> zetatalk
[20:18] <z> i heard zetatalk was a crock for the most part.
[20:18] <[3j]> iqx?
[20:18] <[3j]> z, iqx?
[20:18] <z> i don't know, [3j]
[20:19] <[3j]> IQx is a hacker
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[20:19] <[3j]> dont do that
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[20:20] <IQx> It wouldve been fun to see z excess flood out
[20:20] <[3j]> oh
[20:20] <[3j]> hehe
[20:20] <[3j]> you can make them all say something right at same time?
[20:21] <IQx> Yeah
[20:21] <IQx> That was the plan
[20:21] <IQx> I guess Jur is really gonna kill me when he comes back
[20:21] <[3j]> better run and hide :(
[20:22] <[3j]> hes going to fly from .se just to get you
[20:22] <[3j]> with iced snowballs
[20:22] <IQx> LoL
[20:22] <IQx> Hey
[20:22] <IQx> Is Queen retarded or what ?
[20:22] <[3j]> hehe
[20:22] <IQx> She's like a "Nancy-wanna-be"
[20:22] <IQx> And 'Ralf', is that her drone or something ?
[20:22] <[3j]> i dont know whats up with that
[20:23] <IQx> She kicked me out the second time
[20:23] <IQx> just cause I answered someone's question =P
[20:23] <[3j]> ralf being there is weird
[20:23] <[3j]> maybe she paid for protection :P
[20:23] <[3j]> hehe who knows
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[20:24] <[3j]> Ilene Gruden
[20:24] <[3j]> 487 Ontario Street
[20:24] <[3j]> Toronto, Ontario
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[20:24] <[3j]> hah
[20:24] <[3j]> that was quick :)
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[20:25] <IQx> Eww
[20:25] <IQx> juditness
[20:25] <z> i heard juditness was the coolest chick I've ever known or at least i think so
[20:25] <IQx> That was nasty =(
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[20:32] <Plubble> Ruff_Rider keeps on Glining me =P
[20:33] <Plubble> If you hate the US govt, you must hate the officials altogether - power abuse comes to all (even me =D)
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[20:35] <Plubble> Wb
[20:35] <Plubble> WHy'd you get klined ?
[20:35] <Plubble> They think you were me, right ? =D
[20:35] <[3j]> ralf thought i was you
[20:35] <Plubble> Heh
[20:35] <Plubble> Thats what you get when the Opers are dumb
[20:35] <Plubble> Quick to GLine
[20:35] <Plubble> They orgasm from it
[20:36] <Plubble> [11:34] <Plubble> Ruff_Rider keeps on Glining me =P
[20:36] <Plubble> [11:35] <Plubble> If you hate the US govt, you must hate the officials altogether - power abuse comes to all (even me =D)
[20:36] <[3j]> hehe
[20:36] <[3j]> do all opers here hate the USA? :)
[20:37] <Plubble> Yup
[20:37] <[3j]> i know jurians does
[20:37] <Plubble> They live in an icicle land
[20:37] <Plubble> And believe they are extremely important with their oper commands
[20:37] <[3j]> well they do keep the network here running nicely
[20:37] <Plubble> funnet is the world they created - lack of friendship and care is what forced them to do so
[20:38] <Plubble> yeah. 24/7 watch
[20:38] <Plubble> Ruff thinks he got me =P
[20:38] <[3j]> is ruff ralf?
[20:38] <[3j]> or are they both working together at getting you? heh
[20:39] <Plubble> But his queen is not gonna enjoy her 'world' for any longer
[20:39] <Plubble> LoL
[20:39] <Plubble> Ralf
[20:39] <Plubble> I call him Ruff
[20:39] <[3j]> you mean queenvee?
[20:39] <Plubble> Yup
[20:39] <[3j]> uh oh
[20:39] <[3j]> tell me when so i can see plz!
[20:39] <Plubble> She just did a few seconds ago
[20:39] <Plubble> Came back
[20:39] <Plubble> She's extremely ignorant
[20:40] <Plubble> She just wants attention
[20:40] <Plubble> Shows much by her 'QueenVee' nickname
[20:40] <Plubble> All people who wish to be glorified name themselves : LordMaster, EliteHaxer, etc
[20:40] <[3j]> haha
[20:40] <[3j]> you're right
[20:40] <[3j]> i've seen way too many Lord*
[20:40] <Plubble> Umm
[20:40] <Plubble> Yeah
[20:41] <Plubble> Queen wants to create her own little world just like Nancy
[20:41] <Plubble> But she doesnt even know how to kick properly =P
[20:41] <Plubble> I remember when she kicked me for the first time
[20:41] <Plubble> /mode $chan +b IQx
[20:41] <Plubble> Then kick
[20:41] <[3j]> well some say it goes beyond that though, that actually queen is part of TT Inc, from the begining
[20:41] <Plubble> And then i just did : /nick IQx2
[20:41] <Plubble> I know, I know
[20:41] <Plubble> Let me whine at her
[20:42] <Plubble> Bye bye queen =P
[20:42] <Plubble> The lordess of that channel has parted us once more
[20:43] <Plubble> She came back =P
[20:44] <Plubble> Ok
[20:44] <Plubble> Im tired of acting stupid
[20:44] <Plubble> Tell Jurian "im sorry"
[20:45] <Plubble> I wanted to know whats up with ZT and got kb'ed + glined on a few hosts =P
[20:45] <Plubble> Thanks, ciao
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[21:14] <inkpen> hello
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[21:24] <evilpen> he ran!
[21:25] <evilpen> but who is who
[21:26] <evilpen> ok
[21:26] <evilpen> HELP ME!!!
[21:27] <evilpen> melting!
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[22:34] <bovine> so are we on for may
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[22:41] <YepItsMe> hi
[22:41] <z> hello, YepItsMe
[22:41] <YepItsMe> hi z
[22:41] <inkpen> what happened to funbot?
[22:41] <inkpen> !CS
[22:42] <inkpen> .CS
[22:42] <inkpen> no funbot AH!
[22:42] <inkpen> .la
[22:42] <inkpen> LA
[22:42] <inkpen> no!
[22:42] <YepItsMe> was there a discussino on #zetatalk?
[22:42] <inkpen> poor funbot
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[22:43] <inkpen> what is opserv?
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