Session Start: Mon Dec 16 00:00:00 2002
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[03:27] <obany> hi
[03:27] <Mr_Homie> hi
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[07:40] <loitus> hmm
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[07:50] <loitus> Can someone help me out, I'm trying to whois a site which does not begin with www. and am having trouble, anyone have any idea?
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[11:43] <[3j]> ahh my irc calculator
[11:43] <[3j]> come here z i got hyperiums calcuclations for you to do
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[13:14] <[3j]> why isnt no one else geting ops!@
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[14:36] <ShadowCow> http://serendipity.magnet.ch/hermetic/cal_stud/lunarcal/lunarcal.htm#nyd
[14:36] <ShadowCow> Very curious piece of software.
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[19:12] <monk> hi shadowcow
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[19:14] <ShadowCow> Hiya.
[19:14] <Mr_Odd> hi
[19:15] <monk> hey mr_odd
[19:16] <monk> heard the zetas didn't wanna answer your dark matter question
[19:16] <monk> Thats to bad
[19:17] <Mr_Odd> dark matter I could care less about
[19:17] <Mr_Odd> they already have a "response" to dark matter
[19:17] <Mr_Odd> I'm more concerned with dark energy
[19:17] <Mr_Odd> and the accelerating rate of expansion of the universe
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[19:18] <Mr_Odd> additionally, they shrugged off my queries about the nuclear terrestrial core theory, and about the obscenely illogical optics involved in having a Red and White Persona of a celestial object
[19:18] <monk> dark energy ?
[19:18] <Mr_Odd> yeah.
[19:19] <monk> explain it please?
[19:19] <Mr_Odd> basically, a couple years ago we found out that the universe is expanding faster and faster as time goes on
[19:19] <Mr_Odd> which makes no sense
[19:19] <Mr_Odd> it should DEcelerating
[19:19] <monk> IM very intresting in this invisable energy stuff
[19:19] <Mr_Odd> and we have no idea why
[19:19] <Mr_Odd> it would do this
[19:19] <Mr_Odd> so there must be some currently unknown form of energy that pervades the universe that has a repulsive force, and is responsible for this
[19:20] <monk> what is this energy ?
[19:20] <Mr_Odd> Before Edwin Hubble showed that the universe was expanding in the 30's, Einstein used what's known as the Cosmological Constant as a placeholder in his equations to account for why the gravity of the universe isn't pulling it all together (as, at the time it was believed that the universe was static).
[19:21] <Mr_Odd> but when the universe was shown to be expanding, he dismissed the cosmo. const. as his greatest blunder ever.
[19:21] <Mr_Odd> but now it seems that such a thing does in fact exist
[19:21] <Mr_Odd> and we have no idea what it could be.
[19:21] <Mr_Odd> there are a few candidates
[19:22] <Mr_Odd> some as yet undiscovered particle, a strange property of matter known as quintessence, antimatter (whose properties are still unknown enough to warrant that it may in fact produce negative gravity), among a couple others
[19:22] <Mr_Odd> I'll grab you an article, one sec.
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[19:23] <monk> we dont even know what gravity is
[19:23] <Mr_Odd> but basically, for all three questions, Nancy just said "humans don't know jack"
[19:23] <Mr_Odd> which is indeed true, but we have observed things that in our experience are always true
[19:23] <monk> yea pretty much
[19:23] <Mr_Odd> like how celestial objects don't have red and white personas
[19:24] <Mr_Odd> and that nibiru would in fact be the very first time on record of sucha  phenomenon being observed
[19:24] <Mr_Odd> which is quite a coincidence
[19:24] <monk> well theres much that humans dont know
[19:24] <Mr_Odd> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000EC6F1-66D3-1C71-9EB7809EC588F2D7&pageNumber=1&catID=2
[19:25] <monk> are you aware of the scientific studies going into observation
[19:25] <Mr_Odd> like what?
[19:25] <monk> what we observe changes the object
[19:25] <monk> i cant explain it
[19:26] <monk> ummm
[19:26] <Mr_Odd> yeah, heisenberg's uncertainty principle, etc.
[19:27] <Mr_Odd> observation changes everything.
[19:27] <monk> yes
[19:27] <monk> Thats it
[19:27] <monk> what do you think aboutt it
[19:27] <Mr_Odd> in fact there could be massive swaths of the universe that haven't even come into being yet because they haven't interacted with outside areas
[19:27] <monk> ye
[19:27] <monk> yes
[19:28] <monk> its intresting
[19:28] <Mr_Odd> like how the simple two-slit experiment completely breaks down if you put a photon detector in front of each slit
[19:28] <Mr_Odd> the photons turn into particles, instead of waves that exhibit interence patterns
[19:29] <monk> Your a scienctist?
[19:29] <Mr_Odd> nope
[19:29] <Mr_Odd> just a science enthusiast, heh
[19:29] <monk> heh:)
[19:29] <Mr_Odd> with this kinda stuff, anyway
[19:29] <Mr_Odd> the nature of the universe has always fascinated me
[19:29] <Mr_Odd> so I've done a great deal of reading over my entire life
[19:30] <monk> thats cool
[19:31] <monk> Im more intrested in the unseen stuff
[19:31] <monk> myself
[19:31] <Mr_Odd> like waht?
[19:32] <monk> beyond the light spectrum
[19:32] <Mr_Odd> right
[19:32] <Mr_Odd> can you like, give an example?
[19:33] <monk> Like ghost auras dark matter
[19:33] <monk> stuff thats not seen by the naked eye
[19:33] <Mr_Odd> ah, right
[19:34] <Mr_Odd> well everything is in the math these days, anyway, heh
[19:34] <monk> stuff thats at higher viberations then what we see
[19:34] <monk> ever hear of people being invisable ?
[19:34] <Mr_Odd> well we can see stuff like that with the right instruments n stuff
[19:34] <Mr_Odd> what do you mean?
[19:34] <z> well, do you mean is it okay or is it possible?
[19:34] <Mr_Odd> invisible?
[19:34] <monk> spoutaneous invisablity
[19:34] <Mr_Odd> no, i can't say I have, heh
[19:34] <Mr_Odd> tell me about it
[19:35] <monk> The theory is that people raise their frequency and they are invisable to everyone else
[19:35] <Mr_Odd> oooh
[19:35] <Mr_Odd> and what "Frequency" is this exactly?
[19:35] <monk> viberations
[19:35] <Mr_Odd> well, everything vibrates, but that's just HEAT
[19:36] <Mr_Odd> if you mean they make themselves warmer, then uhh..
[19:36] <Mr_Odd> heh
[19:36] <monk> no
[19:36] <Mr_Odd> ;p
[19:36] <monk> just like a radio I guess
[19:36] <Mr_Odd> ah, like you can't hear what on the other stations that you're not tuned to
[19:36] <monk> Im not really into the science of it
[19:36] <monk> Yes exactly
[19:37] <monk> because if your tuned into 640 you cant hear 660
[19:37] <Mr_Odd> well, it IS possible... but it would involve some very tricky odds, and it would be observed with inanimate objects as well as with people
[19:37] <monk> so someone is tuned in 640 and someone raises up to 660 and the person on 640 isn't able to see that person
[19:37] <Mr_Odd> right
[19:37] <Mr_Odd> it's not quite like that, but yeah
[19:38] <monk> alot of people have this
[19:38] <Mr_Odd> one's component atoms could enter a state of incredibly increased motion, leaving maybe only a handful of them in their original position, with the rest scattered around the universe
[19:39] <monk> you would be able to walk through objects like walls and furniture because you are viberating at a higher viberation then the wall
[19:39] <Mr_Odd> i mean, atoms from your hand and the rest of you are constantly going out to alpha centauri, doing three loops around a black hole, then coming back into your body
[19:39] <Mr_Odd> that's the nature of the quantum "foam"
[19:40] <Mr_Odd> well, one can walk through a wall at ANY time
[19:40] <Mr_Odd> it's just a matter of probability
[19:40] <Mr_Odd> it's ridiculously improbable, but it IS possible
[19:40] <monk> I think anything is possible
[19:40] <Mr_Odd> something along the lines of 1 in 10^10000000
[19:41] <Mr_Odd> in fact, if string theory (now known as M-Theory) has any merit, should the universal "string coupling constant" be varied just a small amount, passing through walls and becoming spontaneously invisible would be common occuranced
[19:42] <Mr_Odd> occurrances*
[19:42] <Mr_Odd> because it could drastically raise the odds that these things happen
[19:42] <Mr_Odd> right now, they're very rare
[19:42] <Mr_Odd> but they could be made to be more plausible
[19:43] <monk> if it happens more then it will be more probale for it to happen again ?
[19:43] <Mr_Odd> nah
[19:43] <Mr_Odd> the idea behind a "constant" is that it... well.. is constant ;p
[19:44] <Mr_Odd> once the constant is changed, the equations don't work in our universe any more
[19:45] <monk> oh al math huh
[19:45] <Mr_Odd> yeah, pretty much all of physics for the last 70 years has been all math, I'm afraid
[19:45] <Mr_Odd> but I hate the math aspects of any of it
[19:45] <Mr_Odd> I don't know any of that stuff
[19:45] <Mr_Odd> I just learn the concepts
[19:46] <Mr_Odd> i mean it's not ALL math, obviously
[19:46] <Mr_Odd> there's experimentations and observation
[19:46] <Mr_Odd> but to actually hash out the WHY and HOW, equations are needexc
[19:46] <Mr_Odd> needed*
[19:46] <monk> 7ye
[19:46] <monk> yea'
[19:47] <Mr_Odd> it's been cool talking to you about this stuff, but I'm afraid I gotta go
[19:47] <Mr_Odd> I told a friend I'd meet up with him a while ago, heh
[19:47] <monk> bye
[19:47] <Mr_Odd> take care
[19:47] <monk> you too
[19:47] <Mr_Odd> and it may be cool for you to read that article
[19:48] <Mr_Odd> http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000EC6F1-66D3-1C71-9EB7809EC588F2D7&pageNumber=1&catID=2
[19:48] <Mr_Odd> peace
[19:48] <monk> ok ill try
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[20:13] <monk> hi malakai
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[21:07] <|Malakai|> hi there
[21:07] <monk> hello malakai
[21:07] <monk> hows it going
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[21:31] <PilsDB> good day
[21:31] <[3j]> good evening
[21:32] <PilsDB> I stand corrected
[21:32] <monk> hi 3j
[21:32] <[3j]> hi monk
[21:33] <[3j]> have any of you seen the new pics
[21:33] <monk> yes
[21:33] <[3j]> i havent downloaded them yet
[21:33] <[3j]> what do you think of them
[21:33] <monk> the ones i seen are black and white they are whack
[21:34] <PilsDB> I tried downloading a couple of times and just got frustrated
[21:34] <monk> www.troubled-times.com/fits
[21:34] <monk> try it
[21:34] <[3j]> ah cool
[21:35] <[3j]> much faster
[21:37] <PilsDB> yes, much faster.  thanks monk
[21:38] <monk> np thanks to queenvee she gave me the link
[21:44] <monk> 3j are you planing to pay for hyperiums?
[21:44] <[3j]> already bought credits
[21:44] <[3j]> just ten dollars
[21:44] <monk> oh yea
[21:44] <monk> what does 10 $ pay for
[21:45] <[3j]> 4 credits i think
[21:45] <[3j]> people sell credits in the forums though
[21:45] <[3j]> like around 1 billion or so you can buy one :P
[21:45] <monk> what does 4 credits do ?
[21:45] <[3j]> but try to raise 1 billion lol
[21:45] <[3j]> 4 credits = 4 * 60 days of play
[21:45] <monk> oh ok
[21:45] <monk> hehe
[21:46] <monk> im getting like 4.5 mil aday now
[21:46] <monk> lowering my taxes so people will trade with me
[21:47] <monk> Hyperiums1
[21:47] <monk> is lucky i got like 120 prod. trading with him
[21:48] <[3j]> you spreading out your production though?
[21:48] <monk> yes a little
[21:48] <[3j]> in exports i mean
[21:48] <[3j]> alright
[21:48] <[3j]> i lost a 50 export trade the other day, it had costed me alot to setup
[21:48] <monk> yea
[21:49] <monk> yea i guess  i should speard it out more
[21:49] <monk> Im not worrying about military at first right now
[21:49] <monk> Im gonna go out for cash
[21:50] <[3j]> well cash is important
[21:50] <monk> just hope no one tries to attack me
[21:50] <[3j]> yeah then your fuct
[21:51] <[3j]> you can always sign up with the peec
[21:51] <monk> im democratic
[21:51] <[3j]> it slowly eats a percentage of your income but at least you get protection from the hyperiums
[21:51] <[3j]> so you can do it
[21:51] <monk> oh no im not im Hyperiums Protectorate
[21:51] <[3j]> right..
[21:52] <[3j]> when you join the PEEC you get the same protection though, but it costs you and you dont get free infiltration scans
[21:52] <monk> oh the planet that got taken over was democratic
[21:52] <[3j]> i might join it once I'm at 5 planets
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[21:53] <monk> problem is i already signed up for peec and i dont think u can do it again
[21:53] <[3j]> oh no you cant :(
[21:53] <[3j]> its a one time thing only
[21:53] <[3j]> hehe
[21:54] <[3j]> join an alliance monk, at least allies can help with protection
[21:54] <monk> do u got a vassal or patron ?
[21:55] <[3j]> i had one for a bit
[21:55] <[3j]> but then my income skyrocketed and the guy didnt want to redo the deal, so the grant would become equal
[21:55] <[3j]> so i tricked him into dumping me :P
[21:57] <[3j]> thing is with a lord is they get a bunch of your points
[21:58] <[3j]> better to keep the points to yourself.. climb up the ranks
[21:58] <monk> wanna be my patron ?
[21:58] <[3j]> no
[21:58] <monk> opps wanna be my vassal
[21:58] <[3j]> you cant afford me
[21:58] <monk> how come
[21:59] <[3j]> you would have to be able to send a grant of money equal to my total income each day
[22:00] <[3j]> Total income 32827409
[22:00] <monk> dang
[22:00] <monk> whats vassal/patron all about ?
[22:01] <[3j]> lord sends a grant equal to the TI of the vassal each day
[22:01] <[3j]> in return the vassal's points are awarded to the lord
[22:01] <[3j]> and the vassals total points for his/her own ranking are at 50%
[22:02] <monk> oh ok
[22:02] <monk> I dont really care about points
[22:03] <[3j]> the points are from your planet's influence
[22:03] <[3j]> more influence better import prices
[22:03] <[3j]> more pop growth
[22:03] <monk> oh ok!
[22:03] <[3j]> check your account
[22:03] <[3j]> i sent you something
[22:03] <monk> wow!
[22:04] <monk> thanks!
[22:04] <[3j]> hehe
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[22:12] <monk> well im gonna go listen to artbell good night 3j
[22:12] <[3j]> see ya
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[22:13] <PilsDB> bye
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[23:29] <raincity> Did someone pull the plug on this channel?
[23:30] <raincity> No, Ops all day...seems like the channel will soon be defunct.
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[23:42] <[3j]> whoa
[23:42] <[3j]> PX ad on coast 2 coast
[23:42] <[3j]> hazlewood :)
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