Session Start: Tue Dec 17 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[02:52] <obany> will be brb
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[03:09] <obany> no discussion here or ?
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[05:00] <Jurian> !up
[05:00] <Jurian> !op jurian
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[05:02] <obany> ooh wat lief
[05:02] <Jurian> :p
[05:02] * obany kust Jurians voeten :P
[05:03] <Jurian> ieuw
[05:04] <obany> ehehehehhewhehehehe
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[05:19] <obany> een beetje :)
[05:23] <obany> ik kleed me ff om en ga maar ff naar zus denk die is toch thuis nu van werk.. en dan daarvan daan maar naar estec
[05:23] <obany> pff
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[07:21] <Stony20> hello!
[07:22] <Stony20> so what about the pole shift?
[07:22] <Senhor_Estranho> yeah
[07:22] <Senhor_Estranho> what about it
[07:22] <Stony20> is nibiru already visible?
[07:23] <Senhor_Estranho> nope
[07:23] <Senhor_Estranho> there's "pictures"
[07:23] <Senhor_Estranho> but they could be of anything
[07:23] <Stony20> cant be that he will be in our solar system at may if hes not visible yet?
[07:23] <Stony20> noone realised that yet?
[07:24] <Senhor_Estranho> hmm?
[07:24] <Senhor_Estranho> I don't understand
[07:24] <Stony20> if nibiru reaches our solar system in MAY next year, he must be visible now
[07:25] <Senhor_Estranho> yes
[07:25] <Stony20> he cant be so fast that hes not visible yet
[07:25] <Senhor_Estranho> but he is not
[07:25] <Stony20> well then this all is just a fake?
[07:25] <Senhor_Estranho> i think so =\
[07:25] <Stony20> pretty weird
[07:26] <Senhor_Estranho> not really
[07:26] <Stony20> whos putting so much effort in such a crap
[07:26] <Senhor_Estranho> people lie to other people all the time
[07:26] <Senhor_Estranho> well they get a lot out of it
[07:26] <Stony20> i think i visit this nancy lieder and give her a punch in her face
[07:26] <Stony20> if this all is really faked
[07:27] <Stony20> how can one be so stupid
[07:27] <Senhor_Estranho> i want to do that too, hehe
[07:27] <Stony20> lets meet in our holidays and visit her :) and then we punch her to hospital :
[07:27] <Stony20> ;)
[07:27] <Senhor_Estranho> :)
[07:28] <Stony20> heheh
[07:28] <Stony20> well if its not nibiru who's coming next year, then i suppose it will be a nuclear war
[07:28] <Senhor_Estranho> yeah =\
[07:28] <Senhor_Estranho> fucking bush :(
[07:29] <Stony20> without george bush the danger of a nuclear war wouldnt be smaller i suppose
[07:29] <Senhor_Estranho> yes it would
[07:29] <Senhor_Estranho> by invading Iraq he'll be setting a horrible precedant
[07:29] <Senhor_Estranho> making "pre-emptive" attacks ok
[07:30] <Senhor_Estranho> so then maybe India wants to do a "pre-emptive" attack on pakistan
[07:30] <Senhor_Estranho> "oh, well america did it, so it MUST be alright"
[07:30] <Stony20> lol america did what they intedet to do like ever
[07:30] <Senhor_Estranho> they intend to gain control over oil =\
[07:30] <Stony20> they give a shit on human rights, everyone should have realised that since a long time ago
[07:31] <Stony20> have you read "War against People" from noam chomsky?
[07:31] <Senhor_Estranho> no, though i know about it :)
[07:31] <Stony20> america is the biggest rogue nation on the world
[07:32] <Stony20> says this book :)
[07:32] <Senhor_Estranho> well it is :)
[07:32] <Stony20> so george bush is just an ordinary texan i suppose
[07:32] <Senhor_Estranho> nope
[07:33] <Senhor_Estranho> he's an ordinary rich spoiled right-wing brat
[07:33] <Stony20> they have 1000 people like him who would kill the world for a barrel oil
[07:33] <Senhor_Estranho> mmhmm
[07:33] <Stony20> so fucking what? :) (hope nibiru comes next year)
[07:33] <Senhor_Estranho> unfortunately =\
[07:33] <Senhor_Estranho> heh
[07:34] <Stony20> at last not everything is contamined by radiation then :)
[07:34] <Senhor_Estranho> heh
[08:01] <Stony20> huh
[08:01] <Stony20> gotta go now
[08:01] <Stony20> see you and so long
[08:02] <Senhor_Estranho> take care
[08:02] <Senhor_Estranho> be safe
[08:04] <Stony20> you too g'day
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[09:08] <BC> z?
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[09:11] <Mr_Odd> a.
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[11:14] <BC> anyone awake here?
[11:14] <DRGREEN> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[11:14] <BC> hey dr green...
[11:14] <BC> why all the nancy bashing over the new pics???
[11:15] <DRGREEN> The analysis is not up yet I guess that's it. Where's the bashing?
[11:15] <DRGREEN> I didn't see any news anywhere.
[11:15] <BC> all over sci astro...
[11:15] <DRGREEN> how do I get to sci.astro?
[11:15] <BC> they just trash her without looking at the pics...
[11:16] <DRGREEN> Yeah, most of them left the scientific attitude and went for the childish one.
[11:16] <DRGREEN> New pictures sure cannot be explained by pixeldefects.
[11:17] <BC> i don't think so either.. the images do show something there...
[11:17] <BC> whatever it is i would have expected a more honest evaluation
[11:18] <DRGREEN> Sure. Their behavior tells something I guess. Maybe fear.
[11:18] <BC> they just ride steve to send it to IAU or whatever for a planet named for him
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[11:20] <DRGREEN> I do think that steve and the other amateur-astronomers should spread the word. Maybe that's what they're doing now, maybe that's why the analysis still isn't on ZT.com
[11:20] <BC> i still would have expected something more honest than trash mode...
[11:20] <BC> he is not an astronomer but denial mode is not fair either...
[11:20] <DRGREEN> Yeah, it disapoints me.
[11:21] <BC> i don't care much for nancy as everyone knows but you never know....
[11:21] <BC> it might be that PX thing after all...
[11:21] <BC> i heard on coast to coast nancy is due back for another visit...
[11:22] <ShadowCow> Something's coming....  
[11:22] <BC> hey shadowcow... how goes it..?
[11:22] <BC> something IS out there it appears...
[11:22] <ShadowCow> Pretty good.  Doing some post-power outage work on the house.
[11:23] <BC> where you at..east or west coast??
[11:23] <DRGREEN> Maybe the new pics show nothing. maybe that's why the analysis is not up yet. Some think the new pics are a bunch of asteroids wich just happen to be in the neighberhood.
[11:23] <ShadowCow> East coast.  Got caught in the ice storms last week.
[11:23] <BC> still now power yet?? sounds cold ....
[11:24] <BC> drgreen... it is reasonable that something has been imaged...
[11:24] <ShadowCow> No, we got power back on Thursday.  I'm plotting out a shed for the generator and getting things to wire up a 240v plug for the power lines.
[11:24] <BC> whoa... careful there..:)
[11:24] <sleth> BC are you referring to px as being imaged
[11:25] <ShadowCow> Bah.  Mindless work.
[11:25] <sleth> just asking
[11:25] <BC> sleth... i am not sure what it is but something has been imaged
[11:25] <sleth> i want to learn to read the images
[11:26] <BC> even skeptics admitted that at first...
[11:26] <ShadowCow> As it turns out, a 10hp motor running a 5000w generator is very noisy.
[11:26] <BC> now it seems its just debunk, deny, don't look dont see don't tell...
[11:26] <sleth> i see
[11:26] <BC> shadowcow.. blast some AC/DC....
[11:27] <ShadowCow> Bah.  I need to sleep.
[11:27] <BC> merry christmas shadowcow...!!
[11:27] <BC> think of the vishnus of past karmas... the nirvana of krishna...
[11:28] <BC> shadow... you DO feel better now...:)
[11:28] <DRGREEN> hehe.
[11:28] <BC> hey drgreen... you stocking up any supplies yet just in case?
[11:29] <sleth> bc you listen to c2c
[11:29] <BC> sometimes.. not a lot.. not as good as it once was...
[11:30] <BC> with art retiring... again.. not sure how popular it will be...
[11:30] <sleth> indeed its not
[11:30] <sleth> i feel you
[11:30] <BC> too many bland guests, but noory is not bad either...
[11:30] <DRGREEN> I'm ready to stock, I will stock begin januari.
[11:30] <sleth> maybe art will do show with nancy, instead of george
[11:31] <BC> me too DRGREEN, i have some huge credit card reserves just in case...
[11:31] <DRGREEN> Good for you, I wish you luck.
[11:31] <BC> no way, nancy is too far out there for art...
[11:31] <BC> still waiting.. not convinced but not in denial either...
[11:31] <sleth> bc,tomorrow michio kaku
[11:31] <DRGREEN> I have some money leftovers from my dead grandpa.
[11:31] <BC> who is kaku???
[11:32] <BC> i could go $75,000 and still survive even without PX.. but not for long!!!
[11:32] <sleth> very intelligent man
[11:32] <BC> if he is so smart, why is he on c2c...??
[11:32] <BC> that Tom Bearden is one smart cookie...
[11:33] <sleth> he is the co-founder of the string theory
[11:33] <sleth> lol
[11:33] <BC> oh, string theory is not a reality anyways.. it is a pattern of motion, not the cause or source of it
[11:33] <sleth> this guy talks about space ,all aspects and never said anything about px
[11:33] <BC> ssssh... no one is to know about PX....
[11:33] <sleth> oh i see
[11:34] <sleth> lol
[11:34] <BC> bush will send ashcroft and arrest you under the patriot act...
[11:34] <sleth> bc are you preparing
[11:34] <BC> i have extra socks and underwear handy...
[11:34] <sleth> yeah i really bet
[11:34] <sleth> lmao
[11:35] <BC> :)
[11:35] <sleth> maybe an extra case of beer
[11:35] <BC> i have some rolling tobacco stashed too...
[11:35] <sleth> nice me too
[11:35] <sleth> the real deal
[11:36] <BC> it is kinda dried out already though...
[11:36] <sleth> it still works
[11:36] <BC> i know, it has nicotine in it...
[11:36] <BC> but i know i gonna have to quit...
[11:37] <sleth> why
[11:37] <BC> if i don't i will die early...
[11:37] <sleth> oh
[11:38] <[3j]> when tobaco was first discovered, it was hailed as a great medecinal herb that helped many aspects of your body
[11:38] <[3j]> today though, the mass produced stuff is very different from natural grown
[11:38] <sleth> i smoke funny tobacco
[11:38] <BC> lol..3j.... all  the chemicals in it are what is bad...
[11:38] <BC> sleth? the all purpose weed???
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[11:39] <sleth> maybe i should quit , they say its worse
[11:39] <sleth> indeed
[11:39] <BC> good for paper, clothing, and a million other uses??
[11:39] <[3j]> quiting is easy, its staying a non smoker thats hard
[11:39] <BC> weed is the most versatile plant on the earth...
[11:39] <sleth> yes rope, also
[11:39] <DRGREEN> yes, I love weed. much uses.
[11:39] <BC> yep... better for paper than trees to i heard...
[11:40] <sleth> yes but so illegal
[11:40] <sleth> yep
[11:40] <BC> it is illegal because it would eliminate other industries...
[11:40] <sleth> hemp
[11:40] <[3j]> i thought there was a bunch of countries that legalized hemp growth
[11:40] <BC> makes no sense..
[11:40] <BC> just like colloidal silver...
[11:40] <sleth> by far eliminat other industries, toooo much money involved
[11:41] <BC> good old U$A
[11:41] <sleth> lmao
[11:41] <sleth> bc you in canada
[11:41] <BC> no... USA....
[11:42] <BC> actually, i am at work..:)
[11:42] <sleth> oh ok
[11:42] <sleth> im in az
[11:42] <[3j]> where you at in az?
[11:42] <sleth> if your at work you cant beat that job
[11:42] <sleth> phoenix 3j
[11:42] <BC> i know... gotta go soon ....
[11:42] <[3j]> me too
[11:42] <[3j]> east valley actually
[11:43] <sleth> 3j whereabouts
[11:43] <sleth> oh ok
[11:43] <[3j]> if px comes are you going to leave phoenix
[11:43] <BC> you guys will die of thirst in AZ...
[11:43] <sleth> im gonna buy a house up north
[11:44] <[3j]> ive been wanting to do that for a while now
[11:44] <sleth> im still trying to figure it all out
[11:44] <sleth> do what 3j
[11:44] <[3j]> get a place up north
[11:45] <sleth> yes you should
[11:45] <sleth> i think it will be safer
[11:45] <[3j]> i just want to leave the summer heat
[11:45] <[3j]> dont think any px is coming though
[11:45] <sleth> yes me too im use to the cold, i moved from reno,nv
[11:45] <BC> 3j... sooner or later catastrophe will strike...
[11:45] <[3j]> and if it does, phoenix will probably end up coastal
[11:46] <[3j]> i moved from canada
[11:46] <[3j]> i know cold very well
[11:46] <sleth> yes phoenix. coastal
[11:46] <BC> i am moving to Bhopal in January...
[11:46] <BC> :)
[11:46] <[3j]> wheres that?
[11:46] <sleth> canada is very very cold
[11:46] <BC> India...
[11:47] <[3j]> lol
[11:47] <[3j]> yes sleth, very cold, eskimos live there :P
[11:47] <BC> i have a life raft and preserver jacket...
[11:47] <sleth> i think something is gonna happen, too much activity in the world ,volcanos, earthquakes, storms, etc
[11:47] <BC> yeah, bush bombs... nukes...
[11:47] <[3j]> maybe its also because of increased observations
[11:48] <BC> no way.. things are screwy...
[11:48] <[3j]> i doubt that there will be any nukes bc
[11:48] <BC> you don't think they want to nuke us with suitcase bombs??
[11:48] <[3j]> thats not the same as an icbm or even a tactical nuke
[11:48] <sleth> yeah, bush his nickname should be earthchanges after he drops a nuke opn iraq
[11:48] <DRGREEN> BC, you mean India to survive the shift or just for a vacation?
[11:49] <[3j]> iraq aint gona get nuked heh
[11:49] <[3j]> usa got plenty of other bombs to do the job
[11:50] <sleth> well sadaam with his ,'' IF YOU GUYS ATTACK WE WILL USE CHEM WEAPONS ON YOUR SOLDIERS''
[11:50] <sleth> BUSH IS NOT GOING FOR IT
[11:50] <[3j]> yeah i know
[11:51] <[3j]> but to nuke iraq? come on..
[11:51] <sleth> 3j kinda windy today
[11:51] <[3j]> its gona be shit weather like this for another week i heard
[11:51] <[3j]> hope it gets nice/hot/sunny for xmas though
[11:51] <[3j]> have a nice bbq and stuff
[11:51] <sleth> bush said it not me lol
[11:51] <sleth> yeah
[11:52] <sleth> yeah i have a pool and cant use it
[11:52] <sleth> too cold , and in reality its really not cold
[11:53] <DRGREEN> Warm Xmas??? I wish it to be cold with snow and all.
[11:53] <[3j]> i wish that too, but thats not possible here
[11:53] <[3j]> so i hope for nice sunny without any clouds
[11:54] <sleth> drgreen your gonna start your stockpile in jan
[11:54] <DRGREEN> yes.
[11:54] <BC> bye all
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[11:54] <sleth> nice
[11:54] <DRGREEN> Were making schedules now, planning. Almost done and ready to stock.
[11:55] <sleth> yeah i have kids so i will prep by all means ,even if nothing does happen at least i owe it to my family
[11:55] <DRGREEN> Yeah. Better to prepare and nothing happens than the other way around.
[11:56] <sleth> i agree drgreen
[11:56] <sleth> so are you gonna have shelter
[11:58] <sleth> or will your house be your means of shelter
[11:59] <[3j]> sleth what kind of supplies do you plan on stocking
[11:59] <sleth> 3j you should prepare for the worst
[11:59] <[3j]> doesnt mean i wont prepare even if i dont think px is coming
[11:59] <sleth> well 3j i already started by getting little stuff
[12:00] <sleth> food,water, emergency kits,etc
[12:00] <[3j]> gunus and ammo
[12:00] <ShadowCow> Guys, we're on the edge of a war that is going to rage out of control.  If you aren't planning, simply to deal with the worst that can dish out, you're a fool.
[12:00] <[3j]> guns even
[12:00] <sleth> ammo and so forth
[12:00] <sleth> yes
[12:01] <sleth> brb
[12:01] <DRGREEN> If we can gather enough money, and if my father coorporates, then we'll have a nice dome in Sweden. But time is not on our side, so maybe we'll hire buses or campers, dig them in, build a metal frame around it, and fill them up with matrasses.
[12:02] <ShadowCow> I think that my husband got deeply serious about all of this when it dawned on him how ugly a land war in the US would be.
[12:02] <obany> hi green
[12:02] <[3j]> a land war in the US?
[12:02] <[3j]> impossible unless its a civil war
[12:03] <[3j]> or if canada invades lol
[12:03] <ShadowCow> And a civil war is not impossible.
[12:03] <[3j]> no kidding
[12:03] <[3j]> last presidential elections the people were really split into 2
[12:03] <[3j]> could of gotten real bad
[12:04] <[3j]> just an example, i doubt 60 yr olds who cant read a ballot would take up arms
[12:05] <sleth> shadowcow thats a good point WAR
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[12:05] <sleth> we are not far from it
[12:06] <ShadowCow> I went and saw a reader over the weekend.  She threw down a particular card and then I looked at her and asked her point blank what she'd been seeing in May.
[12:06] <DRGREEN> Hi obany. Jurian might have found something interesting on the new images, but he thinks it's not that hot I gather. A tail seems to be visible on the SUM of the new dec14 images, not on DSS.
[12:07] <Jurian> just.. dont post that URL of the pic I made on usenet please
[12:08] <Jurian> I dont need their shit flinging at me
[12:08] <Jurian> I have NO IDEA if I'm doing this fits processing right
[12:08] <ShadowCow> What's the URL?
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[12:08] <Jurian> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~jurian/dec14.png
[12:08] <ShadowCow> Danke
[12:09] <Jurian> that fainth blob is the most I can find
[12:09] <ShadowCow> Whereis this thing in relation to the horns of Taurus?
[12:11] <Jurian> fucked if I know
[12:11] <DRGREEN> I'm asking myself that question too. I have no idea how for example big the orions belt should be in these pics.
[12:12] <ShadowCow> Orion's Belt isn't in these pics, if the position follows the predeicted track.
[12:12] <Jurian> me neither, I just look at those starts at the left in my small image
[12:12] <DRGREEN> So, I cannot really relate to the nightsky i'm viewing now outside my window.
[12:12] <Jurian> thats what I compare them to in the other images
[12:13] <DRGREEN> No, I said for example. I was wondering how big a star visible by my naked eye would be on the astronomy pics, so I can relate.
[12:13] <DRGREEN> to SC.
[12:13] <ShadowCow> PX has supposedly been been in the area to the 'right' of Orion's club abd below the horns of Taurus.
[12:14] <Jurian> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/pierre1.htm
[12:14] <ShadowCow> We actually have been watching the sky and watching the images.  I really wish I had the 6 inch scope my father in law has.
[12:14] <Jurian> the only visible star, afaik, is the one at the left side
[12:15] <DRGREEN> thank you.
[12:16] <Jurian> np
[12:16] <ShadowCow> Left of the frame or left of the circle.
[12:16] <Jurian> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/rogue/pierre1.htm
[12:17] <Jurian> left in that picture
[12:17] <Jurian> the huge one :p
[12:17] <obany> ah that's the star
[12:18] <Jurian> yeah.. so I doubt you'll see any of those smaller ones near where X is supposed to be right now, without a scope
[12:18] <Jurian> but again, I may be completely wrong
[12:18] <ShadowCow> Does anyone else feel like we're looking for the Star of Bethlehem and the 3 Wise Men?  :P
[12:18] <Jurian> I have less than no clue, in astronomy :p
[12:18] <Jurian> lol, sorta :p
[12:19] <ShadowCow> I'll get very annoyed if I see camels laden with goods heading down my street.
[12:19] <DRGREEN> :)
[12:20] <DRGREEN> I gotta go all, very best of luck to you.
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[12:26] <obany> bbl
[12:56] <[3j]> !up
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[12:58] <[3j]> i didnt say a word
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[15:13] <Mr_Odd> hiya
[15:14] <monk> whats up
[15:14] <Mr_Odd> not much
[15:14] <z> well, not much is made of it...a week after it happens...no one seems to remember...
[15:14] <Mr_Odd> just woke up, heh
[15:14] <Mr_Odd> z forget not much
[15:14] <z> Mr_Odd: I forgot not much
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