Session Start: Wed Dec 18 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[03:31] <obany> momnet
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[03:35] <obany> hoi
[03:35] <obany> hi Jurian
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[10:53] <ShadowCow> Conseco's bankruptcy is the sign of things to come.
[10:54] <Jeremy> Yes I think so too
[10:55] <Jeremy> Like United Airlines filing for bankruptcy
[10:55] <Jeremy> oh, hello
[10:56] <ShadowCow> Conseco has been selling worthless policies for about a year.  
[10:56] <ShadowCow> United might well pull out of it.  You have to watch Southwest to see what happens to them.
[10:56] <ShadowCow> Southwest is the only carrier in the US making money right now.
[10:56] <Jeremy> I see
[10:57] <Jeremy> Just an opinion of mine, but I think that falling seat sales could be due in part to people being nervous about weather conditions when flying these days
[10:58] <ShadowCow> In the US, many people won't fly because they don't want to deal with airport 'security'.
[10:58] <Jeremy> Thats no big deal; people have tp learn to be patient
[10:58] <Jeremy> tp=to
[10:59] <ShadowCow> Just because you might put up with it, doesn't mean anyone else has to.
[11:00] <Jeremy> Thats the world we live in. Safety should come first..
[11:00] <ShadowCow> I personally think that people are right to avoid air travel.  If the government and the airlines want to continue the ruse they've carried on since 9-11, that's fine.  No one has to believe them.
[11:01] <ShadowCow> Freedom should come first.
[11:01] <ShadowCow> That is the fundamental difference between the UK and the US--we still are leery of trading our liberties away for an illusion of safety.
[11:02] <Jeremy> Yes, I agree about that principle in certain areas; like freedom of speech for example
[11:02] <ShadowCow> I'm kinda all or nothing about it.
[11:02] <Jeremy> oh
[11:03] <Jeremy> Terrorism is a hazzard like bad weather, or vehicle failure. Should you be free to wear no seat belt aboard an airplane?
[11:03] <ShadowCow> You should be free to never wear a seat belt.
[11:04] <ShadowCow> You should also be free to accept the injuries you might sustain in not wearing that seat belt.
[11:05] <Jeremy> Provided that don't jepoardise others safety of course
[11:05] <ShadowCow> Wearing a seatbelt doesn't jeopardize anyone's safety but your own.
[11:06] <Jeremy> Well if your Dad chose not to wear a seat belt and died in a crash when you were sitting in the back, that might disturb you
[11:07] <ShadowCow> That's life, honey.  The government shouldn't be in the business of protecting me from bad experiences.
[11:07] <Jeremy> Fair enough, but those bad experiences can harm others psychologically
[11:08] <ShadowCow> So?  People need to learn to deal with adversity.
[11:09] <Jeremy> People need to be more responsible I admit, but sometimes common sense laws have to uphold that.
[11:09] <ShadowCow> You make it sound like everyone alive needs some government regulator to make sure they wipe their asses properly.  Air bags for the mind?
[11:09] <ShadowCow> Bah.
[11:10] <Jeremy> Anyway, what's your current take on the pole shift at the mo, if I may dare ask?
[11:10] <ShadowCow> Here's the fallacy: Daddy can still get in the car, not put on his seatbelt and die.  Who, exactly did the law serve?
[11:12] <ShadowCow> My current take is that none of my plans have changed.
[11:12] <Jeremy> You are a non-believer?
[11:12] <ShadowCow> I don't know, am I?
[11:13] <Jeremy> Do you believe the shift is coming, don't know, don't care, or any combo of the preceding?
[11:14] <ShadowCow> I don't care, because a poleshift doesn't affect my plans one way or another.
[11:15] <Jeremy> Must be some kind of plan if a massive cataclysm can't affect it
[11:16] <ShadowCow> It serves the needs of me and mine.
[11:19] <Jeremy> Time for dinner I think.
[11:19] <monk-away> ok
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[11:20] <monk-away> cya
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[12:30] <Monk> hi ukuz_zzz
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[13:30] <iggy> hello
[13:30] <raincity> hey there.
[13:31] <Monk> Hi
[13:32] <iggy> hi
[13:32] <z> salut, iggy
[13:32] <Monk> z hola
[13:32] <z> hi, Monk
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[13:39] <Monk> hey malakai
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[13:54] <|Malakai|> lo mate
[13:54] <|Malakai|> hows u
[13:54] <Monk> Im greta
[13:54] <Monk> great
[13:54] <|Malakai|> anythin new happenin
[13:54] <Monk> how are you
[13:54] <Monk> just talking to someone in the other chatroom
[13:55] <|Malakai|> k
[13:55] <|Malakai|> lol
[13:55] <|Malakai|> im cool mate
[13:55] <|Malakai|> is my birthday
[13:55] <Monk> Happy Birthday
[13:55] <Monk> wanna come join #god
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[13:59] <[3j]> happy bday |Malakai|
[13:59] <Monk> How are you today malakai
[14:00] <[3j]> hey whats going on in #god monk
[14:00] <[3j]> being visited by the great one himself?
[14:00] * juditness is now known as sister_judit
[14:00] <|Malakai|> thanx guys
[14:00] <|Malakai|> im 24
[14:00] <[3j]> so your a sagitarius
[14:01] <|Malakai|> yup
[14:01] <|Malakai|> lol
[14:01] <[3j]> sagitarius very philosophical sign
[14:01] <[3j]> among other traits
[14:01] * [3j] is a wannabe astrologer
[14:01] <|Malakai|> lol
[14:16] <|Malakai|> is there anything new on PX yet or still nuthin
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Session Close: Wed Dec 18 14:33:01 2002

Session Start: Wed Dec 18 14:38:20 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[16:10] <WG> Hi all (hopefully I am in the right chat ...)
[16:13] <[3j]> hopefully?
[16:13] <[3j]> what chat are you looking for WG
[16:14] <WG> a chat to exchange ideas with people who believe a PS will occur, but are not sure about when. There are many info out there
[16:15] <[3j]> yes there is
[16:15] <WG> is it this one?
[16:15] <[3j]> sure its one chat
[16:15] <[3j]> there is also #poleshiftdiscussion for the true PS believers
[16:16] <[3j]> here its about debates, open mindness, over that subject :)
[16:16] <[3j]> for example, I think zetatalk.com is very deceiving in there message
[16:16] <WG> I know that one, but I was expelled by QueenVee
[16:16] <[3j]> ah hehe
[16:16] <[3j]> everyone gets expelled from there
[16:16] <[3j]> right QueenVee?
[16:17] <Monk> heh
[16:18] <WG> I don`t think ZT is really deceiving. I found that site 4 years ago, I read everything there. But some info simply doesn`t fit to a broader scenario, while some are just bigotry
[16:18] <WG> this doesn`t mean ZT is wrong, just that they are not perfect
[16:18] <[3j]> yeah bigotry
[16:18] <[3j]> right, but who is perfect?
[16:18] <Monk> Your welcome to join channel #god if your really intrested
[16:19] <[3j]> ps might happen next year, but i doubt it
[16:19] <[3j]> some say 2005, others 2012
[16:19] <Monk> 2012 is a popular one
[16:19] <[3j]> but whatever the date, the zetas are not friends dont believe it for a second :)
[16:20] <WG> there are many dates out there. 2003 could be a good bet, if thing would be happening a bit faster. It still doesn`t fit
[16:20] <WG> Monk, what kind of discussions are there, in #god
[16:20] <Monk> alot of intresting discussions
[16:20] <Monk> about earthchanges
[16:21] <Monk> aliens
[16:21] <Monk> ufos
[16:21] <Monk> paranormal
[16:21] <Monk> spiritual stuff
[16:22] <WG> QueenVee, if you are a true believer, why you are here, prowling this chat? Do you have any seed of doubt in your heart??
[16:22] <WG> sounds interesting, hopefully it is not crazy conversation
[16:22] <[3j]> she stays here to find other people to invite into her channel
[16:23] <[3j]> and also to keep an eye on what the opposition has to say
[16:23] <[3j]> so she can be better prepared to address issues of doubt
[16:23] <[3j]> well I must go
[16:23] <Monk> crazy conversation ? heh your here because of zetatalk isn't that crazy ?
[16:23] * [3j] bbl
[16:23] <Monk> later 3j
[16:23] <WG> oh, okay. I have a democratic approach, I always try to learn with the opposition
[16:23] <Monk> thanks 3j
[16:24] <WG> by crazy I mean senseless talk. It is quite common with these esoteric groups
[16:24] <Monk> give me a example
[16:24] <fetus> no crazy talk...only how to prepare...how you will survive
[16:25] <fetus> no if if if
[16:25] <fetus> or but but but
[16:25] <fetus> prepare!!
[16:26] <WG> where are you from, guys? I am from Brazil. QV, do you mind to tell us where are you from?
[16:26] <Monk> united states
[16:27] <fetus> canada
[16:28] <WG> and any of you have a "Plan B" just in case ZT is correct and 2003 IS the date of the big thing?
[16:29] <Monk> I have a plan A in case zt is right
[16:30] <WG> and what is it?
[16:30] <Monk> get the hell out of dodge
[16:30] <WG> hmmm ... doesn`t sound very "PS-proof" ...
[16:31] <Monk> theres a poleshift coming bud
[16:31] <Monk> gotta do something to prepare
[16:31] <WG> yes, I am quite sure about that. I know it since I was 10 (many, many years ago)
[16:32] <Monk> mostly my preparing is spiritual
[16:32] <WG> it makes sense, since our stage here on Earth is just transitory. Soul is what matters (no pun intended)
[16:34] <WG> I guess most of the 10% remaining will be composed by people completely unaware of PS, and so unprepared
[16:34] <fetus> WG: I have decided to prepare mostly with survival knowledge and gear as I find myself in a location that is not very populated.
[16:34] <fetus> and at high elevation
[16:35] <WG> fetus, what I know about Canada (despite the dispute between Bombardier and Embraer) is that your country is big and mostly unpopulated
[16:36] <fetus> lots of nature....I can be out of the city in 20 minutes by foot.
[16:37] <WG> in what part of Canada do you live?
[16:37] <fetus> i plan to dig a temporary trench to ride out the actual shift.
[16:37] <fetus> western rockies
[16:38] <Monk> wg maybe you should goto channel #earthchanges
[16:38] <WG> I suppose your spot is okay, in terms of geological stability. But digging a trench might not be the best approach. The walls of the trench may collapse over you
[16:39] <fetus> I have plans for this...not everyone can afford to hall a dome into the bush.
[16:39] <WG> I was there but QueenVee told me I was not welcome
[16:40] <fetus> you were not there
[16:40] <Monk> #earthchanges is a different channel
[16:40] <fetus> you were in #poleshiftdiscusion
[16:41] <fetus> the trench will not be deep enought to kill if it colapses..
[16:41] <WG> you may half-bury a container, it should work, provided the spot you choose are away from big water bodies or high hills (but must have some around, to break the hurricanes)
[16:41] <fetus> if i get taken out buy a meteor or fire storm...then it was obviously my time.
[16:41] <fetus> wg: yes thats a good idea
[16:42] <WG> well, I don`t really mind the channel I am, provided the people are open-minded, and don`t consider someone with different ideas as a heretic
[16:43] <WG> why did you choose this nick, "fetus". It reminds me of abortion, a horrible thing
[16:43] <Monk> well wg this channel isn't that much on the discussion of preparing or anything like that
[16:44] <WG> Monk, so what kind of discussions do occur here??
[16:45] <Monk> different discussions
[16:45] <Monk> but its kinda quiet alot
[16:46] <WG> well, there is a lot of people hanging here ...
[16:48] <Monk> yea and me and you are the only ones talking
[16:49] <WG> ... and fetus ... and QV is quiet, but paying close attention (like an awl) ...
[16:49] <WG> ... I mean owl
[16:50] <fetus> wg: im just always looking for one more link :)
[16:50] <fetus> and i do like to read the words of others
[16:53] <WG> any of you are noticing weather changes out of ordinary, in your countries?
[16:53] <fetus> oh ya
[16:54] <fetus> wg do you follow the actual things happening everyday?
[16:54] <fetus> if not i can send you some links to bookmark.
[16:54] <WG> here in Brazil we can notice that, but hardly to say they extraordinary
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[16:55] <fetus> its been 10 to 12 degrees Celcius above normal all winter so far....and the drought is the worst on record.
[16:55] <Monk> hi haccess
[16:55] <WG> I check (not every day, but frequently) what is going on in terms of earthquakes, new astronomical discoveries, weather changes, anything that might be linked to what ZT says
[16:55] <fetus> normal...the weather channel calls it seasonal
[16:56] <WG> some years ago I used to monitor the earthquakes daily, to see if they were on the rise. But I got tired of that
[16:57] <WG> we don`t have quakes in Brazil
[16:57] <fetus> have you been following the differneces in quake reporting from different sources?
[16:57] <WG> monk, in what part of States do you live?
[16:58] <WG> No, I am not paying that attention on quakes
[16:58] <Monk> california
[16:58] <z> it has been said that california is warm :)
[16:58] <Monk> z yes it is :)
[16:58] <z> ...but it is <reply>...
[16:58] <Monk> z sure
[16:58] <z> sure is cold up here is this gulag
[16:59] <WG> where are you from, z?
[16:59] <z> i haven't a clue, wg
[16:59] <Monk> :)
[16:59] <Monk> z is from the internet
[17:00] <WG> cyber-space, should be a safe place, quake and hurricane proof (provided you have alternative power supplies) ... :)
[17:01] <Monk> well im gonna go afk
[17:02] <WG> me too
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[17:03] <WG> bye (QV, please send my regards to cmell, if he/she shows up in your channel)
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[17:14] <Monk> hi sleth
[17:15] <sleth> whats up monk
[17:16] <sleth> i was trying to check out the moon
[17:17] <Monk> I was just looking at the moon
[17:18] <sleth> monk wheres syk
[17:18] <Monk> I dont know
[17:18] <Monk> probaly at his house
[17:18] <sleth> through a telescope
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[17:39] <Monk> hi dwander
[17:39] <dwander> hi
[17:39] <dwander> what's happening today?
[17:40] <Monk> nothing much
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[18:20] <Monk> hey mr_odd
[18:21] <Mr_Odd> hi
[18:21] <z> hello, Mr_Odd
[18:22] <Monk> whats up
[18:22] <Mr_Odd> not much
[18:22] <Mr_Odd> looking for somewhere to go tonight
[18:22] <Mr_Odd> makin some calls
[18:23] <Monk> alright
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[18:53] <DarKStaR> anything new on planetx? i read 2002 was the most hot weather seen in 1000 yrs
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[19:10] <[3j]> how can it be the hottest in a 1000 years?
[19:11] <[3j]> weather, hi/lows of temperatures have not been recorded for that long
[19:11] <[3j]> iirc, in england, weather records only go back to the 1600's, and no one can really be sure how accurate that was
[19:11] <[3j]> or if farhenheit even existed then :)
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[19:12] <[3j]> 'today it was very hot' <-- accurate records
[19:12] <[3j]> hehe
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[19:14] <DarKStaR> was in paper today. in garbage now.
[19:20] <[3j]> yeah well i'm just saying DarKStaR, weather records dont go that far back in history
[19:20] <[3j]> some do maybe
[19:20] <[3j]> what paper btw? journal de montreal? the gazette?
[19:20] <DarKStaR> de montreal
[19:21] <DarKStaR> where u from?
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[19:33] <[3j]> from there DarKStaR
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[19:35] <DarKStaR> u from montreal?
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[19:39] <Marduk> anbody got a decent link to latest images from SteveH? Yahoo is seriously slow :(
[19:42] <[3j]> non
[19:42] <[3j]> j'ai riend de rapide pour toi Marduk
[19:42] <[3j]> c yahoo ou c rien
[19:42] <[3j]> muahaha
[19:42] <Marduk> merci mon ami
[19:47] <DarKStaR> coudon jpensait ki etais le seul ki savais sa au quebec lol
[19:47] <[3j]> ben non
[19:47] <[3j]> PoleSHifter il est de la aussi
[19:47] <DarKStaR> kel age vous avez?
[19:48] <DarKStaR> comment vous etes tomber la dsus?
[19:48] <[3j]> quelque part dans la vingtaine
[19:48] <[3j]> jai trouver le site web vla une couples de mois
[19:48] <DarKStaR> ok moe too
[19:48] <[3j]> actuellement, environ une annee la
[19:49] <DarKStaR> jai ete voir david icke pis jai acheter le livre de sitchin fais 3 mois chu la dsus
[19:49] <[3j]> ben en tk.. jespere que sa vien pas en mai
[19:49] <[3j]> aussi..
[19:49] <DarKStaR> moi sa ferais le menage
[19:50] <[3j]> je crois que les ovnis que le site parle, les zetas, sont des mechantes creatures
[19:50] <DarKStaR> lol
[19:50] <DarKStaR> p-e
[19:50] <[3j]> tu veux dire que taimerais ca?
[19:50] <DarKStaR> sa me derangerais pas
[19:50] <[3j]> j'aime ma vie moi, un cataclysme comme PX... c'est trop fou
[19:51] <DarKStaR> cest bixarre kia autant qc au courant
[19:51] <[3j]> anyway
[19:51] <DarKStaR> ouin
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[19:51] <[3j]> j'ai un sapin a decorer.. revien ici de temps en temps, defois ca bouge plus
[19:51] <[3j]> ciao
[19:51] <DarKStaR> chow cool de voir des french
[19:52] <Marduk> caio caio
[19:52] <Marduk> tres cool
[19:52] <DarKStaR> plusieur personne ki son pas au courant de px disent que quebec est la terre promise
[19:53] <DarKStaR> pis sur zt le quebec est une des places les moin toucher
[19:53] <DarKStaR> cest bixarre kia autant qc au courant
[19:54] <DarKStaR> si sa arrive on fais une communauter
[19:54] <DarKStaR> :D
[19:55] <[3j]> bon chu encore ici
[19:55] <[3j]> oui quebec cest correct
[19:56] <[3j]> mais reste dans les apalache moi jcrois
[19:56] <[3j]> moi je suis au states la, arizona
[19:56] <[3j]> suposer detre sauf ici aussi
[19:56] <[3j]> mais de toute facon jcrois plus que ca senvien lan prochaine
[19:56] <[3j]> pis les zetas jte dit son mechante
[19:57] <[3j]> check ca... hitler ya esseyer de creer ca race parfaite, les parfait blond yeux bleu allemands
[19:57] <[3j]> les zetas sont en train de creer leur proper race semi humaine et semi zeta
[19:57] <[3j]> ca c la fin de la vie humaine
[19:57] <[3j]> en plus de ca ils ont mentie plusieurs fois
[19:58] * [3j] ne fait pas confiance a c estie de creature la
[19:58] <Marduk> Non mi abbono all'ideologia aryan
[19:59] <[3j]> whats that italian?
[19:59] <Marduk> si si
[20:00] <Marduk> altenatively potremmo parlare in portoghese
[20:01] <Marduk> como isto
[20:01] <[3j]> no hablo italiano?
[20:01] <[3j]> si el pedro, mi casa el supa hot tomato?
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[20:02] <Marduk> our dark companion has departed - sniff
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[20:34] <fuzzy> hello
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[20:45] <Monk> hi guest
[20:45] <Guest> sup
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[22:42] <MrRobot> hi
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[22:42] <skeleton> has anyone seen the new images yet
[22:43] <Monk> i have
[22:43] <Monk> they suck
[22:43] <skeleton> how so, monk ?
[22:43] <skeleton> the fricking link for that harvard program is crap
[22:44] <skeleton> i can only look at the flats and the darks with that thing, i cant even see the red filtered images
[22:44] <skeleton> i wish i had CCDsoft
[22:44] <skeleton> what do they look like monk ?
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[22:51] <Monk> like black and white pics
[22:51] <skeleton> obviously, but i mean do they clearly show some tail like the website claims
[22:51] <Monk> no
[22:52] <Monk> I didn't even look at it
[22:52] <Monk> looked like crap
[22:52] <[3j]> i didnt like the pics either..
[22:52] <[3j]> not much anyway. you guys talking about the dec13-14 ones?
[22:52] <Monk> yea
[22:53] <[3j]> the other ones where nicer i guess
[22:53] <skeleton> yeah
[22:53] <[3j]> but thats because they where on the website with circles and stuff
[22:53] <skeleton> i see
[22:53] <Monk> bye all
[22:53] <[3j]> you see?
[22:53] <skeleton> so the pictures arent impressive or evidential in any way ?
[22:53] <Monk> cya later 3j
[22:53] <skeleton> take care
[22:53] <skeleton> monk
[22:53] <[3j]> bye monk
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[22:54] <skeleton> i hope you guys all remember me, im not on here that much these days, real life is far too much work
[22:54] <[3j]> sure you were around a few weeks ago
[22:54] <[3j]> or months? not sure
[22:55] <skeleton> its been about a month or so, id say
[22:55] <[3j]> so what do you think about all this now
[22:57] <skeleton> no more or less decisive than before
[22:57] <skeleton> 2001 the weather was far more bizarre than it is this year
[22:57] <skeleton> this year we have had coldness and snow, 2001 was far more bizarre as far as weather goes, and 2000-2001 had far more quakes than 2002
[22:57] <skeleton> so a linear progression is hard to determine
[22:57] <skeleton> and the pictuers havent been convincing yet, so far
[22:57] <skeleton> but it seems tehre was an actual image on the last one
[22:58] <skeleton> which is why im sitting tight to see if the object actually does start getting closer and clsoer
[22:58] <skeleton> i specifically didnt take an opportunity to go overseas until next year, specifically in case this poleshift business happens
[22:58] <skeleton> im ready to abandon everything and mobilize if it starts getting worse in a couple monthes
[22:58] <skeleton> but i havent seen anything to make me certain yet
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[23:01] <skeleton> i just read something very very very bizarre from the last ZT log
[23:01] <skeleton> NancyL) ZT: It was announced that ET would be RE-released in theatres this past summer, but this did not occur, merely a CD version for sale.
[23:01] <skeleton> (NancyL) ZT: Instead, in the manner of recent film releases, Taken was produced, obvious from the commercials to be akin to the message given by ID4, Signs, and Independence Day.
[23:01] <skeleton>  (NancyL) (Oops, I think ID4 and Independence Day are the same)
[23:02] <skeleton>  this is False
[23:02] <skeleton> it was in theatres!!!
[23:02] <skeleton> i saw it !
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