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[03:03] <obany> laters
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[08:35] <vamp> guess whos back
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[09:04] <Howmo> z, Hi.
[09:04] <Howmo> WHa hoppened to z?
[09:04] <Howmo> Anybody?
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[09:12] <[3j]> z?
[09:12] <z> [3j]?
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[11:26] <sundar> QueenVee, where should we post questions for nancy?
[11:27] <QueenVee> sundar: in the #poleshiftdiscussion channel, right now
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[11:29] <QueenVee> FYI: A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder will begin in the #poleshiftdiscussion channel about 70 minutes. I’m currently considering questions to be added to the agenda.
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[11:45] <Jurian> QueenVee, and obany, could both of you please, PLEASE stop spamming the TT mailing lists every week? once a week is quite enough, people aren't dumb, they don't need 3 mails to every TT list there is, for a weekly event :p
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[11:46] <Jurian> and one tip.. take out the date, just say "saturday, at ... UTC", instead of sticking in the date every week, and making a pile of mistakes (and then taking a load more emails to correct it) :)
[11:48] <QueenVee> FYI: A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder will begin in the #poleshiftdiscussion channel about 40 minutes. I’m currently considering questions to be added to the agenda.
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[12:05] <obany> Jurian: quit whining :PPPP
[12:05] <Jurian> I'm not whining
[12:05] <Jurian> its damn annoying
[12:05] <Jurian> and I'm not the only one who feels that way
[12:06] <Jurian> one email, per list, per week, is enough, no need for 2 or 3
[12:06] <Jurian> and, you and QueenVee could send one combined email, instead of both sending a whole lot
[12:06] <QueenVee> Jurian, i concur: stop whining
[12:07] <Jurian> stop spamming
[12:07] <juditness> =]
[12:07] <obany> but i love spam, i eat it every day :P
[12:07] <Jurian> do you really think people need to read about this stuff, 3 times a week? they KNOW when the sessions are :p
[12:08] <obany> altough i live in the Netherlands, i ordered like 1000 cans of spam a while ago .. so :P
[12:08] <obany> spam kicks ass :P
[12:09] <|Malakai|> ifi have a question
[12:09] <|Malakai|> for tonight
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[12:11] <|Malakai|> how come the zetas say they cannot intervene with mans progress in any way yet they are telling us about an event that will change mankind forever???
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[12:18] <QueenVee> FYI: A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder will begin in the #poleshiftdiscussion channel about 15 minutes. I’m currently considering questions to be added to the agenda.
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[12:23] <Jurian> lol
[12:23] <Jurian> look who's trying to come in :)
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[12:28] <QueenVee> FYI: A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder will begin in the #poleshiftdiscussion channel about 5 minutes.
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[12:32] <obany> Jurian: or good good friend nol
[12:32] <obany> :PP
[12:33] <Jurian> yep
[12:39] <obany> for those who couldn't join the poleshiftdiscussion session .. the bans are removed now
[12:40] <durrtyclaus> HAHAHAHA.
[12:42] <QueenVee> FYI: A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder is now in progress, in #poleshiftdiscussion. To get to that channel, simply type the following:  /join #poleshiftdiscussion
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[13:09] <obany> 2 zetatalk sessions today, one is going on at this time in the channel #poleshiftdiscussion the other one will start in about 53 minuts from now in #zetatalk
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[13:11] <BC> hey howmo.. how aer you?
[13:11] <Howmo> Sup?
[13:12] <BC> not much... poleshift discussion???
[13:12] <Howmo> Is that going on now?
[13:12] <BC> yeah
[13:12] <Howmo> I'll check in there.
[13:12] <BC> just keep quiet and queenvee doesn't boot you out
[13:13] <obany> Yes, and you could join in but if you disrupt and start with your sci.astro babble or bash well then !kick
[13:13] <durrtyclaus> everyone is equal
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[13:13] <durrtyclaus> some are just a little more equal than others.
[13:13] <durrtyclaus> :)
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[13:14] <Howmo> QV has booted me from that room forsimply showing up there.
[13:14] <QueenVee> FYI: A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder is now in progress, in #poleshiftdiscussion. To get to that channel, simply type the following:  /join #poleshiftdiscussion
[13:14] <z> i already had it that way, QueenVee.
[13:14] <QueenVee> haven't booted you yet howmo
[13:15] <Howmo> Have before.
[13:15] <obany> well just consider it a warning at this time ... don't disrupt or you will get kicked, it's simple
[13:15] <Howmo> Nancy brought up Scallion and I asked whether he agrees with 2003.
[13:16] <durrtyclaus> BOOT!
[13:16] <Howmo> QV then threatened to boot me.
[13:16] <QueenVee> would you like a little cheese with that whine, howmo
[13:16] <Howmo> Obany- this channel rules state that it is to discuss whether PX2003 is real, right?
[13:17] <Howmo> QV yes please.
[13:17] <durrtyclaus> i hate wine. :/
[13:17] <obany> well this yes, but #zetatalk NO and #poleshiftdiscussion also NO
[13:17] <Howmo> QV, a simple statement of fact is not a "whine".
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[13:18] <Howmo> Obany, you have kicked me from THIS room for saying things against PX.
[13:18] <durrtyclaus> =]
[13:19] <Howmo> Repeatedly!
[13:19] <obany> so ?
[13:19] <z> so is that dood from home alone
[13:20] <durrtyclaus> Howmo: sometimes quite unfortunately - irc is not democratic. :/
[13:20] <durrtyclaus> and jfyi, we are on the same side.
[13:20] <Howmo> Obany, you just said that only the OTHER channels were protected.
[13:21] <Howmo> This channel is supposed to open discussion.
[13:21] <Howmo> Supposed to be open discussion
[13:21] <durrtyclaus> as long as the channel's owner does not agree with you
[13:21] <durrtyclaus> you will be prey of kicks and bans
[13:21] <obany> but you are like a stupid fucking broken record
[13:21] <durrtyclaus> you have to be ready for that
[13:22] <durrtyclaus> obany: that's a little harsh. :x
[13:22] <Howmo> Obany, who "owns" this channel?
[13:22] <durrtyclaus> this channel is obany's
[13:22] <obany> durrtyclaus: good girl :P
[13:22] <Howmo> Obany, nancy just wants all to forget her past failures.
[13:23] <durrtyclaus> Howmo
[13:23] <durrtyclaus> how about
[13:23] <durrtyclaus> i offer you a deal.
[13:23] <Howmo> You calim she has no failures, but you refuse to admit that you know nothing about imaging.
[13:23] <durrtyclaus> you will sit here
[13:23] <durrtyclaus> until may 2003
[13:23] <durrtyclaus> and so will i
[13:23] <durrtyclaus> and so will obany and QueenVee
[13:23] <durrtyclaus> and nancyl.
[13:24] <durrtyclaus> and then... we'll see who was right.
[13:24] <Howmo> Hwat do you mean "sit here"?
[13:24] <durrtyclaus> don't try to change people's mind now
[13:24] <durrtyclaus> you can't see with their eyes
[13:24] <durrtyclaus> and neither can they.
[13:24] <Howmo> Uh oh "terror" is questioning zeta "accurracy".
[13:24] <durrtyclaus> sometimes we have to realize how dumb we are
[13:24] <Howmo> Time to boot him
[13:24] <durrtyclaus> =)
[13:25] <durrtyclaus> i don't get it
[13:25] <durrtyclaus> do you come here
[13:25] <durrtyclaus> to make fun of people who believe this stuff?
[13:25] <durrtyclaus> or do you want to be able to say "i told you"?
[13:25] <durrtyclaus> or do you only want to cause trouble?
[13:26] <Howmo> Huh? I didn't post anything there!
[13:26] <Howmo> Obany, what in the world???
[13:26] <durrtyclaus> answer the question.
[13:26] <durrtyclaus> he would have banned you anyway.
[13:26] <Howmo> Durr, are you speaking to me?
[13:27] <durrtyclaus> yes
[13:27] <Howmo> I'll review.
[13:27] <durrtyclaus> why, thankyou
[13:27] <Howmo> Sorry, I was watching the other channel
[13:28] <Howmo> Obany just booted me and I hadn't even posted there.
[13:28] <durrtyclaus> (22:25:42) <@durrtyclaus> he would have banned you anyway.
[13:28] <durrtyclaus> =]
[13:28] <Howmo> "Anyway"? What do you mean?
[13:28] <durrtyclaus> sooner or later
[13:28] <Howmo> Why?
[13:28] <obany> it was only a kick just in case ... and a kick is not a ban
[13:28] <durrtyclaus> now answer my question
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[13:29] <Howmo> "In case" of what Obany?
[13:29] <Howmo> I have only ever posted ONE line to that room, EVER.
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[13:29] <Howmo> hI SILK.
[13:29] <Silk> Hiya Howmo
[13:30] <Howmo> Obany just booted me from the other room for simply breathing.
[13:30] <Silk> does that to me all the time in #Zetatalk
[13:30] <obany> a kick not a ban
[13:30] <dwander> hehe...how do they know you're breathing??  :)
[13:30] <obany> a kick is not a ban
[13:30] <z> i already had it that way, obany.
[13:30] <durrtyclaus> he said *sigh*
[13:30] <durrtyclaus> haha =x
[13:30] <Silk> it's paranoia Howmo
[13:30] <Howmo> Obany, do you have no self-control?
[13:31] <Howmo> So, did they draw any circles yet, Silk?
[13:31] <obany> oooh shut up howmo, and yes i have self control
[13:32] <Silk> Yep Howmo, but the Zetas haven't tolf them what they see yet
[13:32] <Howmo> God, Obany, it would be a truly scary place to be with you in charge.
[13:32] <Howmo> oh, no "zeta" circles yet?
[13:32] <Silk> Nope just Havas and Dell circles
[13:32] <Howmo> Ah.
[13:33] <Silk> But the Zetas said the moons were a-swirlin
[13:33] <Howmo> Is it true that they are at odds about a certain "object" being red or white?
[13:33] <Silk> yeah, Havas "huge spot" doesn't line up with Dell's "white spot"
[13:34] <Silk> so they had to pick a smaller "red spot"
[13:34] <dwander> can't we have a patriotic PX?  A red, white, and blue persona??  :)
[13:34] <Silk> hehe dwander
[13:34] <Silk> depends what country you live in
[13:34] <Howmo> I am truly amazed that each time they think it's the "smoking gun".
[13:35] <Silk> Yep, Havas was convinced, until it didn't match up
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[13:35] <dwander> hehe...certainly lots of smoke....pretty dense haze, in fact...:)
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[13:35] <Silk> so he found some other blotch to circle
[13:35] <Howmo> I had a long email discussion last Jan with a guy who was sure that the next months pics would be definitive.
[13:36] <dwander> they'll be circling the blotches for a couple months yet
[13:36] <Silk> http://m1.aol.com/deepspacegirl/dec14.html
[13:36] <Howmo> Of course, there WERE no next months pics.
[13:36] <Silk> big images, so long time loading if not onbroadband
[13:36] <Silk> wait until it's supposed to visible at mag 4 or 5
[13:36] <Silk> what will they do then?
[13:37] <Howmo> I have no idea, but it will be itteresting.
[13:37] <Silk> yep, sure will. They can't point at mag 20 artifacts much longer
[13:37] <dwander> same as now...claim the mag 4 or 5 are on some obscure other specra or such...
[13:37] <Silk> lol, probably
[13:38] <Howmo> Oh yes, as Dell says: Human or zeta eyes?
[13:38] <dwander> they can keep going til March, I imagine...then it falls apart
[13:38] <Silk> yeah. He doesn't even know himself
[13:38] <Howmo> That's what we thought years ago- then months ago...
[13:38] <Silk> Yep, every few weeks the story changes
[13:39] <Silk> remember "visible in amateur scopes in mid-2002"?
[13:39] <Howmo> it can go on as long as nancy denies and screams "disinfo".
[13:39] <dwander> Maybe we'll get a big April fool's Day revelation...:)
[13:39] <Howmo> REmember: "You CAUGHT it"?
[13:39] <Silk> it's now  almost the end of the year, and they're still pointing at mag 20 noise
[13:39] <QueenVee> whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine whine......
[13:39] <Howmo> That was a classic
[13:39] <Silk> Yep Howmo, I remember <g>
[13:39] <Silk> stop whining QV
[13:39] <obany> silk and howmo partners in crime :P
[13:40] <QueenVee> no partners in whine....
[13:40] <Howmo> And QV refuses to LOOK at the images!
[13:40] <Silk> what crime Obany?
[13:40] <Silk> lol Hown\mo, I remember that one too
[13:40] <obany> doh i was joking .... geeeeez
[13:40] <QueenVee> howmo: the images prove nothing one way or another at this point
[13:40] <Howmo> QV, They prove that nancy is lying.
[13:40] <Silk> The4y prove there's no mag 11 or brighter object there
[13:41] <Silk> and that what Nancy claims
[13:41] <obany> !kick silk bye bye ... bash bash whine whine
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[13:41] <dwander> that's just it...the images prove nothing, and they should, by this time, if they were going to
[13:41] <obany> !kick howmo see silks message
[13:41] * Howmo was kicked by ChanServ (see silks message (obany))
[13:42] <Rinoa> now that was rude
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[13:42] <Howmo> Silk simply stated nancy's claims.
[13:42] <Howmo> Did she state them incorrectly?
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[13:42] <Silk> paranoia
[13:43] <Howmo> WHy is a simple stating of nancy's claims a problem?
[13:43] <durrtyclaus> why do you want to make the blind see?
[13:43] <Silk> because we question the emmisary
[13:43] <Howmo> Are we interested in the truth or not, Obany?
[13:43] <Silk> no durrty, we wnat those with galsses to see better
[13:44] <Silk> the blind are a wasted cause
[13:44] <Howmo> I personally have been thinked by people who didn't know what was up till I showed them.
[13:44] <QueenVee> so why are you spending time on a wasted cause?
[13:44] <Howmo> Thanked.
[13:44] <durrtyclaus> then why don't you just wait till they smash their heads in a pole?
[13:45] <Silk> Queen, you think everyone here is a devout follower of Nancy Lieder?
[13:45] <QueenVee> wow, i've never seen people with such Saviour Complexes
[13:45] <Howmo> There are people here who want to know both sides.
[13:45] <QueenVee> and where would they be without you to save them howmo?
[13:45] <obany> the 2 of you are so anoying .. over here it just a kick but if you will act like this in #zetatalk .. well the 2 of you already know
[13:45] <Howmo> Don't want to play, QV.
[13:46] <Silk> I've never seen anyone like QV, who's main mission is to quelch the truth either
[13:46] <Howmo> Obany, why will Nancy not answer questions from sci.astro?
[13:46] <dwander> hmm...isn't it people trying to warn everyone of an upcoming doom that have the saviour complexes??
[13:46] <Silk> or Dell, or Havas
[13:47] <Howmo> I think havas is sincere, but deluded.
[13:47] <obany> Howmo: because during the session it's not the time for you mumbojumbo howmo ...
[13:47] <Silk> possibly
[13:47] <Howmo> Dell, is disingenuous.
[13:47] <obany> Howmo: and say that straight into his face ... tell it when he is here
[13:47] <Silk> Dell definately knows he manipulating people
[13:47] <Howmo> No, Obany, not during any "session"..
[13:47] <Howmo> Questions ON sci.astro...
[13:48] <Howmo> Obany, you will bott me if i do that.
[13:48] <Silk> Geeez, we tell him that on sci.astro all the time, he never repiles Obany
[13:48] <Silk> And wehen I ask Dell a question, he runss away
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[13:48] <Howmo> Hey Jeremy.
[13:48] <Jeremy> hello Howmo
[13:48] <Howmo> How oare ya?
[13:49] <Howmo> Are
[13:49] <Jeremy> ok thanks :)
[13:49] <Howmo> Any smoking guns yet?
[13:49] <dwander> just smoke
[13:49] <Silk> lol
[13:49] <Howmo> Don't forget mirrors.
[13:49] <Jeremy> Not from myself reagrding PX, but maybe from someone else later on, you never know
[13:50] <Howmo> I though that THESE latest images were supposed to be definitive.
[13:50] <dwander> red-tinted mirrors??
[13:50] <Silk> speaking of mirrors, does Dell still think there's a lens on that telescope?
[13:50] <Howmo> Did he say that??
[13:50] <Silk> a while ago in his "debate"
[13:51] <Howmo> OK, I'm not up on it. Is it a refractor?
[13:51] <Howmo> 'm mean reflector?
[13:51] <Silk> Richey Chretian
[13:51] <Howmo> REflector, so no lenses?
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[13:51] <Silk> reflector, yes
[13:52] <Howmo> Describe the business end when not viewing by eye, please.
[13:52] <Howmo> No "occular"?
[13:52] <Howmo> Or eyepiece?
[13:52] <Silk> sacorrect, camera is a prime focus
[13:52] <Silk> 2nd camera on a refractor for guiding
[13:53] <Howmo> Any lense on camera?
[13:53] <Silk> nope, just the filter
[13:53] <Howmo> Ah.
[13:53] <Howmo> Not an astronomer..
[13:53] <Howmo> have learned a great deal recently tho.
[13:53] <Howmo> Thanks for your work on the images.
[13:54] <Silk> yep, even my daughter has taken an interest ibn processing the images
[13:54] <Howmo> How old?
[13:54] <Silk> gave her the sets and said, go to it :o)
[13:54] <Silk> 15
[13:54] <Howmo> Better than Dell?
[13:54] <Howmo> Already?
[13:54] <Silk> lol, well, she has better software
[13:54] <Silk> and an instructor <g>
[13:55] <Howmo> Ah yes, Dell thinks his freeware is just fine...
[13:55] <Silk> and knows how to use the telescopes
[13:55] <dwander> now if only it were a bright 15 year old that the zetas were talking to...:)
[13:55] <Silk> I tried that Cadet, what a waste
[13:55] <Howmo> Is it time for Nancy's chat yet?
[13:55] <Silk> well, I have to run, but I'll be here logging. Maybe back later
[13:56] <Howmo> OK, see ya.
[13:56] <Silk> cya all later
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[14:00] <Howmo> Christ, Obany, One question, BEFORE the session????
[14:00] <Howmo> That is "disruption"???????
[14:00] <Howmo> I can't speak at all???????
[14:01] <BC> howmo... chill out or get blasted...
[14:01] <Howmo> How paranoid are you?????
[14:01] <BC> he will kick you out or ban you
[14:01] <Howmo> He just did, for one magnitude question to DEll.
[14:01] <BC> howmo, you already know your answer before you ask it in there
[14:01] <Howmo> I do? What is that?
[14:01] <BC> you know the answer to that anyways
[14:02] <Howmo> You speak for Dell now?
[14:02] <BC> you ask questions to deride the zetas...
[14:02] <BC> that is why they kick you out...
[14:02] <Howmo> So, the zetas can't take a little critisizm?
[14:03] <BC> howmo... the thought control police are in full force
[14:03] <Howmo> They are too weak and soft and sensitive?
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[14:03] <BC> back off or get booted or banned...
[14:03] <BC> you want to know the magnitude of noise or what??
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[14:17] <dwander> anyone for a remake of Weird Science??  Nancy is sure providing the groundwork...:)
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[14:36] <Howmo> Just asked jwilliam about the magnitude of PX and got only a "fuck off".
[14:37] <Rinoa> lol
[14:37] <dwander> how dare someone ask for actual data...:)
[14:38] <johnmeiii> ZT: During every passage, there are SOME debris which land on the surface of Earth, as the atmosphere is stripped away to a great extent and the tail of the passing comet contains much large debris.
[14:39] <johnmeiii> px is a comet?
[14:39] <obany> it behaves like a comet
[14:39] <Rinoa> it's a ocean covered, smoldering, brown dwarf
[14:39] <dwander> hardly...comets don't slow down in the inner solar system...
[14:40] <Jeremy> It has been described as a giant comet in the past, especially in the early days of ZT
[14:40] <Jeremy> It is a planet of course
[14:45] <Howmo> johnmeiii, http://us.geocities.com/openmindxx/
[14:45] <Howmo> http://us.geocities.com/openmindxx/
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[14:46] <dwander> well, enough entertainment for now....they'll be back next week, I'm sure...
[14:46] <Jeremy> dwander: PXs description as a giant comet is more of an analogy then a technical categorisation
[14:47] <Rinoa> Yes, they call it a smoldering brown dwarf with deep oceans and an artifical atmosphere
[14:47] <dwander> yep, since the Px scenario has it following rules that don't seem to apply to any other object in the universe...:)
[14:50] <Rinoa> <--giggles at dwander
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[16:41] <agentY> BURP!
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[16:50] <agentY> BURP!
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[17:34] <Howmo> Anybody?
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[19:35] <Kindred_Soul> anyone awake?
[19:35] <Kindred_Soul> i missed todays session, anything exciting happen?
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