Session Start: Wed Dec 25 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[05:48] <obany> Himitsu-afk: shut up
[05:48] <obany> Free thinking is fine. Believing the mindless drivel of a kook and her
[05:48] <obany> minions is blindness and flock behaviour. Go hang out in #troubled_times
[05:48] <obany> and talk to her moronic minions if you want that kind of free thinking.
[05:49] <obany> !kick Himitsu-afk
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[05:49] <Himitsu> sorry, but I won't shut up
[05:49] <Himitsu> back
[05:49] <obany> so why the hell that stupid posting on sci.astro
[05:49] <obany> moronic minions
[05:49] <Himitsu> it isn't stupid
[05:49] <obany> get lost
[05:49] <obany> it is
[05:49] <Himitsu> did you take offense to that?
[05:49] <Himitsu> I didn't mention you by name
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[05:50] <obany> !kick Himits go to your friends on sci.astro
[05:50] <obany> !kick Himitsu go to your friends on sci.astro
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[05:50] <Himitsu> back
[05:51] <Himitsu> you are welcome to come to sci.astro and present your point of view you know
[05:51] <Himitsu> is that how you always respond to critisism of nancy? kick the person?
[05:52] <obany> i ain't going to post there, don't want to
[05:52] <Himitsu> didn't think you would
[05:52] <Himitsu> just kind of funny, all you do is use insults and kick
[05:53] <obany> insults my ass
[05:53] <obany> why are we moronic mininons?
[05:53] <Himitsu> stupid posting on sci.astro
[05:53] <Himitsu> do the math
[05:53] <Himitsu> I never said you obany, but you sure latched onto that
[05:53] <Himitsu> hehe
[05:54] <obany> moment
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[05:57] <obany> yeah even on sci.astro they are talking about me hehehehe :) go figure
[05:57] <Himitsu> go figure
[05:58] <Himitsu> they have for a long time
[05:58] <obany> i am famous .. :P
[05:58] <Himitsu> hardly that
[05:59] <Himitsu> maybe in sci.astro the proper word would be infamous
[06:00] <Himitsu> why do you even bother kicking people anyway?
[06:00] <Himitsu> what is the point in that?
[06:00] <obany> because there are those who behave like jerks
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[06:01] <Himitsu> so why bother kicking them?
[06:02] <Himitsu> why do you even worry about what people say in sci.astro anyway?
[06:02] <obany> cause namecalling SUCKS
[06:03] <Himitsu> calling a spade a spade obany
[06:03] <Himitsu> and there aren't too many other ways to describe those people
[06:04] <obany> so when will you take alien contact serious?
[06:04] <Himitsu> when they come and talk to me
[06:04] <Himitsu> wait
[06:05] <Himitsu> alien contact of the kind that nancy has?
[06:05] <obany> yes, alien contact i am talking about the contact, talking about people taking aboard of shis etc
[06:05] <Himitsu> or do you mean something like SETI, or Serendip or project Phoenix
[06:05] <obany> NO SETI
[06:05] <Himitsu> well, since it doesn't happen, I guess never
[06:06] <obany> it does happen , SETI is just a act
[06:06] <Himitsu> lol
[06:06] <Himitsu> have they come to see you obany?
[06:06] <obany> nothing to make fun about mr himitsu.. why should i bother to tell you
[06:06] <Himitsu> have they or not?
[06:06] <Himitsu> it is an honest question
[06:06] <obany> and it's a question i am not going to answer
[06:07] <obany> especialy to a guy like you
[06:07] <Himitsu> okay, but you know the answer
[06:07] <Himitsu> obany, you don't know me at all
[06:07] <obany> so it should occur to you first?
[06:07] <Himitsu> not in the least. if you were somebody that I knew and worked with I would bend over backwards to do anything that I could to help you
[06:08] <Himitsu> I would most likely be the best friend you would ever have in your life if you needed a friend.
[06:08] <Himitsu> and what should occur to me first?
[06:08] <Himitsu> contact?
[06:08] <obany> alien contact, for you to take it serious.. yes contact
[06:08] <obany> ?
[06:13] <Himitsu> I suppose if it happend to me, I would have to take it seriously, but it hasn't and I don't know of anybody it has happend to
[06:13] <Himitsu> I also work in a place where we use a lot of RADAR and nothing out of the ordinary is ever seen on it either
[06:14] <obany> well okay then but that doesn't say that just because you didn't see it or expierenced it that others didn't
[06:14] <Himitsu> not to mention the countless nights I have spent observing the night sky with telescopes and have never seen anything out of the ordinary or that can't be explained by science
[06:14] <Himitsu> no, but there simply isn't any evidence for it
[06:15] <obany> i know i know science demands proof
[06:15] <Himitsu> logic demands proof
[06:16] <Himitsu> you can't just take things at face value. if you do, what do you end up with?
[06:17] <Himitsu> you have to test everything in science
[06:17] <Himitsu> and after you test it, you have others that test it and try to prove you wrong
[06:17] <Himitsu> and then others try
[06:18] <Himitsu> and maybe if your idea or theory survives all that, others will say "maybe he/she is on to something"
[06:19] <obany> i kinda know how it works .. Himitsu
[06:20] <Himitsu> well, that's good. but you are asking me if/when I would believe in it, and that is my answer to you.
[06:20] <Himitsu> if there is no evidence for something, then no, I can't believe in it
[06:23] <obany> well anyway going to visit a friend now .. bbl
[06:24] <Himitsu> take care
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[07:45] <Magnetos> Hello?
[07:45] <Magnetos> Yoooooo.
[07:45] <Magnetos> Anyone out there?
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[08:30] <agentY> yo
[08:31] <agentY> yoyo
[08:32] <agentY> yo yo yo
[08:32] <agentY> ho ho ho
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[08:57] <superzod> b
[08:58] <agentY> yo yo
[09:00] <agentY> sup
[09:00] <agentY> The kisses of the sun - Were sweet I didn't blink
[09:00] <agentY> I let it in my eyes - Like an exotic dream
[09:00] <agentY> The radio playing songs - That I have never heard
[09:00] <agentY> I don't know what to say - Oh not another word
[09:01] <agentY> Inside an empty room - My inspiration flows
[09:01] <agentY> Now wait to hear the tune - Around my head it goes
[09:01] <agentY> The magic melody - You want to sing with me
[09:02] <agentY> the music is the key
[09:02] <agentY> And now the night is gone - Still it goes on and on
[09:02] <agentY> So deep inside of me - I long to set it free
[09:02] <agentY> I don't know what to do - Just can't explain to you
[09:02] <agentY> I don't know what to say ? Oh not another word
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[09:04] <Himitsu> whats up agentY
[09:04] <agentY> hey
[09:05] <agentY> x mas   not much
[09:05] <agentY> u
[09:06] <agentY> ?
[09:08] <agentY> ok, gonna go poop bb shortly
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[09:20] <Himitsu> you back agentY?
[09:36] <Himitsu> well, hope everything came out okay agentY ;)
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[09:53] <Magnetos> Hello?
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[10:13] <agentY> yup
[10:13] <agentY> back
[10:14] <agentY> #christmas
[10:17] <agentY> hehehe
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[11:02] <Jeremy> Merry Xmas everyone!
[11:02] <JurAFK> you too! :)
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[11:03] <Jeremy> Hello Jurian
[11:03] <Jeremy> Seasons greetings
[11:03] <Jeremy> Hope you enjoyed your meal today
[11:03] <obany> hI j...
[11:03] <Jeremy> hello obany
[11:03] <obany> and the other J also of course...
[11:03] <obany> friend over here ...
[11:04] <Jeremy> Glad to see you both here
[11:04] <Jeremy> A lot happening weather wise still
[11:05] <Jeremy> Noticed many people have died in China over the past few days due to bad weather, and now a tornado
[11:08] <obany> mm :/
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[11:10] <Jeremy> Hello 3j
[11:10] <Jeremy> Merry Xmas
[11:10] <[3j]> merry christmas!
[11:10] <[3j]> not too many who are awake
[11:10] <Jeremy> I saw reports that snow has fallen in Arizona
[11:11] <[3j]> hehe
[11:11] <[3j]> it did :)
[11:11] <Jeremy> In fact across a broad swathe of the North American continent
[11:11] <[3j]> oh yeah? i didnt see that
[11:11] <[3j]> weird temperatures thats for sure
[11:12] <[3j]> weather and stuff
[11:12] <Jeremy> You must have saw news reports that the blizzards have caused 12 deaths
[11:12] <[3j]> i havent watched the news at all
[11:12] <Jeremy> oh
[11:13] <Jeremy> its fairly mild here in England
[11:13] <Jeremy> no snow
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[11:14] <[3j]> i wished it snowed hard here
[11:14] <Jeremy> They've recieved plenty of snow in Beijing, China over the last 6 days. It broke their all time continous snowfall record
[11:14] <[3j]> weird
[11:15] <obany> JeremyL where can we find that info ?
[11:16] <Jeremy> mo please..
[11:16] <obany> about China and the bad weather?
[11:16] <Jeremy> http://www.spacedaily.com/2002/021223121352.liwlo628.html
[11:17] <Jeremy> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2601247.stm
[11:18] <Jeremy> the tornado in China story is at..
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[11:19] <Jeremy> http://www.spacedaily.com/2002/021225023417.ukpszfms.html
[11:19] <agentY> ho ho ho
[11:19] <Jeremy> hello agentY
[11:19] <agentY> ho ho ho jeremy
[11:19] <Jeremy> he he he
[11:19] <agentY> yo yo yo, ho ho ho
[11:19] <Jeremy> lol
[11:19] <agentY> waz up
[11:20] <Jeremy> Just letting my Xmas dinner digest!
[11:20] <agentY> dinner? i just ate breakfast.
[11:20] <agentY> hehehe
[11:20] <agentY> may wall unit  ac/heater  stinks like dead fish.
[11:20] <agentY> will clean it out later.
[11:21] <agentY> any family over/
[11:21] <agentY> ?
[11:21] <Jeremy> no comment
[11:21] <agentY> oh
[11:21] <agentY> mom left this morning on flight.
[11:21] <Jeremy> ok
[11:21] <agentY> not close with her anyways.
[11:21] <agentY> relatives a bit weird
[11:22] <agentY> get yourself a present at all?
[11:22] <Jeremy> sorry to hear that
[11:22] <Jeremy> yeah
[11:22] <agentY> oh? what u go?
[11:22] <agentY> what did u get?
[11:23] <Jeremy> some money
[11:23] <agentY> oh
[11:23] <Jeremy> and a couple of gifts
[11:23] <Jeremy> chocolates
[11:23] <agentY> i got a bowl of cereal
[11:23] <agentY> hehehe
[11:24] <Jeremy> better than nothing I suppose
[11:24] <Jeremy> ;)
[11:24] <agentY> yup
[11:24] <Jeremy> fierce blizzards over in the states I see
[11:24] <agentY> yeah....wouldn't call em blizzards.
[11:24] <agentY> news exaggerates.
[11:25] <agentY> here it is raining and windy
[11:25] <Jeremy> you like rain, if I remember right
[11:25] <agentY> yup sure do:)
[11:25] <agentY> good memory
[11:25] <agentY> hehehe
[11:25] <Jeremy> thx
[11:25] <agentY> wish it would get darker though
[11:26] <agentY> like dark blue clouds
[11:26] <agentY> :)
[11:26] <agentY> was at the library yesterday
[11:26] <Jeremy> right
[11:26] <agentY> saw a whole group of employees, all they ddid was play on the internet for about 6 hours straight.
[11:28] <Jeremy> have you got any games for your PC?
[11:28] <agentY> no
[11:28] <Jeremy> oh
[11:28] <agentY> y?
[11:28] <Jeremy> yes
[11:28] <agentY> y, not u
[11:28] <agentY> hehe
[11:29] <agentY> any movies on tv tonight?
[11:29] <agentY> i'm gonna study tonight, nothing on tv i don't think
[11:29] <agentY> have u seen startrek nemesis?
[11:29] <Jeremy> Nothing much on here
[11:29] <Jeremy> no, saw a trailer clip of it though
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[11:30] <agentY> bbiaf
[11:30] <Jeremy> I've also seen the trailer for Terminator 3: The Rise of the Machines' recently
[11:30] <agentY> don't tell me about it
[11:30] <Jeremy> ok
[11:32] <Jeremy> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2605609.stm
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[11:37] <agentY>     not much xmas spirit in nyc.
[11:37] <agentY> mostly hanakuh spirit i guess.
[11:37] <Jeremy> you're in midtown
[11:37] <Jeremy> near Empire state building?
[11:38] <Jeremy> midtown extends from 34th to 59 street if I'm correct
[11:39] <Jeremy> I know this sounds like a long time complaint, but people seem to forget what Xmas is about
[11:40] <Jeremy> Hardly anyone has said Merry Xmas this year
[11:41] <Jeremy> Yet the shoppers go mad stocking up their trolleys with food as if the world was coming to an end. People buy much more than they really need I feel
[11:42] <agentY> cause they r fat.
[11:42] <Jeremy> ha
[11:42] <Jeremy> Well thats one explanation
[11:42] <Jeremy> good one too
[11:42] <agentY> yeah in midtown.
[11:42] <agentY> everyone left town last night.
[11:42] <agentY> xmas isn't about jack to me.
[11:43] <Jeremy> i see
[11:43] <agentY> unless i meet hot woman.
[11:43] <agentY> hehehe
[11:43] <Jeremy> Santas helpers ;)
[11:43] <agentY> yup
[11:43] <agentY> santa  --->  move n two places to right = satan
[11:43] <agentY> same guy, diff. name.
[11:44] <Jeremy> They're both red
[11:44] <Jeremy> But a bit different otherwise
[11:44] <agentY> santa is a fatass...must be american
[11:44] <agentY> hehe
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[11:44] <agentY> bbiaf
[11:44] <agentY> food
[11:45] <agentY> talking about fat...i gotta go eat
[11:45] <agentY> hehehe
[11:45] <Jeremy> ok
[11:49] <Jeremy> jingle bells jingle bells
[11:49] <Jeremy> jingle all the way
[11:58] <Jeremy> I have to go now. Enjoy the rest of the day folks. Peace.
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[12:48] <alex2221> any 1 serios here?
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[14:11] <obany> hi BC
[14:12] <BC> hi obany... merry christmas to you
[14:15] <obany> the same BC
[14:16] <BC> the stir rages on sci astro and new images...
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[14:16] <BC> brighter and brighter noise??
[14:17] <Mr_Odd> link to the new images, please?
[14:19] <BC> somewhere in tt...
[14:19] <BC> check under sightings...
[14:23] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/teams/tteam342.htm
[14:23] <Mr_Odd> those are an entirely different part of the sky than the earlier ones...
[14:24] <Mr_Odd> does mr. havas take us for fools?
[14:24] <obany> Mr_Odd: doh it moves ... that's why or do you think that Planet X will stick at the same place
[14:24] <obany> it moves
[14:24] <Mr_Odd> yeah, but it hasn't moved that much in all the other images
[14:25] <Mr_Odd> i mean we're talking a TOTALLY different spot
[14:26] <obany> ooh come on Mr_Odd
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[14:27] <obany> if you disagree so much with it then why don't you and BC start a own channel ... call it #bcodd or whatever
[14:27] <Mr_Odd> i don't disagree... i just call em like i see em
[14:27] <BC> lol... obany... what did i say now???
[14:27] <Mr_Odd> the dog star was plainly visible in the prior pictures
[14:27] <BC> that red and white personas for PX only makes no sense?
[14:27] <Mr_Odd> now it's totally gone
[14:28] <obany> so?
[14:28] <obany> it moves
[14:28] <obany> should it stick at the same place
[14:28] <Mr_Odd> you're not listening...
[14:28] <obany> i am
[14:28] <Mr_Odd> it moved about 2 orders of magnitude less in the prior pictures
[14:28] <BC> mr odd... it is there, hidden behind the swirling moons
[14:29] <JurAFK> its only magnitude 30 these days.. it'll get to about 100 before it gets near earth :p
[14:29] <Mr_Odd> no, not that kinda magnitude
[14:29] <duRRtysanta> jur!! :)
[14:29] <Mr_Odd> i mean a factor of 100
[14:29] <Mr_Odd> like it has moved 100 times as much in this new pic
[14:29] <JurAFK> ;p
[14:30] <obany> ha Jurian ... nepnederlander :P
[14:30] <JurAFK> :p
[14:30] <JurAFK> I'm gonna go watch "The stand", 4th part
[14:30] <JurAFK> back later :)
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[14:57] <agentY> ,,aa,,iou
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[17:12] <Mr_Odd> Jurian for GOD'S SAKE make a second webchat page specifically for this and have it come here
[17:12] <Mr_Odd> all these dumbasses coming into #buzz =\
[17:13] <Mr_Odd> and of course it's the stupid ones that show up there
[17:13] <Mr_Odd> since they didn't follow the directions
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[17:18] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> hello
[17:19] <duRRtyodd> what an interesting nick
[17:19] <duRRtyodd> what's the origin?
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[17:22] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> hello again
[17:22] <Mr_Odd> allo allo!
[17:22] <Mr_Odd> what's your nick from?
[17:23] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> my name is mine
[17:23] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> i am airman noone
[17:23] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> greetings
[17:24] <Mr_Odd> how do you do
[17:24] <Mr_Odd> merry christ mass n all that crap
[17:26] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> why the room?
[17:27] <Mr_Odd> why the stars? why the moon? why the insects and the flowers?
[17:28] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> why does noone speak but one
[17:28] <Mr_Odd> because they're all WUSSES
[17:28] <Mr_Odd> ;p
[17:29] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> tell me why you are here?
[17:29] <Mr_Odd> to bring an educated scientific mind to the debate about a potential poleshift
[17:29] <Mr_Odd> and to prove to myself that humanity can't possibly be as dumb as it seems
[17:29] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> well
[17:30] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> speak more
[17:30] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> poleshift--
[17:30] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> ?
[17:31] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> ?
[17:32] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> hello
[17:32] <Mr_Odd> hi
[17:32] <Mr_Odd> what do you want to know?
[17:32] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> your ideas
[17:33] <Mr_Odd> well i think nancy lieder is a fraud
[17:33] <Mr_Odd> i think an as-of-yet undiscovered planet MAY be coming in the near future
[17:33] <Mr_Odd> i seriously doubt it would cause a catastrophe as described
[17:33] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> well
[17:33] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> on what basis can you say that
[17:33] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> it only makes sence
[17:34] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> an imploded star
[17:34] <Mr_Odd> how does it "only make sense?":
[17:34] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> by law would have just about the same magnetic qualities of the star before it was imploded
[17:34] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> very intense
[17:34] <Mr_Odd> mmmhmm
[17:35] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> take two magnets polarized the same
[17:35] <Mr_Odd> but our magnetic poles have shifted countless times in the past
[17:35] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> side by side
[17:35] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> oh
[17:35] <Mr_Odd> and it's hardly brought doom
[17:35] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> but no as much
[17:35] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> it would be near halfway a polar reversal
[17:35] <Mr_Odd> actually, the poles switch COMPLETELY qwuite regularly
[17:35] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> lies
[17:35] <Mr_Odd> which is twice as much as the poleshift described
[17:35] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> as you shal know
[17:35] <Mr_Odd> ummmm
[17:35] <Mr_Odd> lies?
[17:36] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> the sun has a magnetosphere
[17:36] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> right
[17:36] <Mr_Odd> it's been accepted scientific fact for decades
[17:36] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> of course not
[17:36] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> fact???
[17:36] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> never
[17:36] <Mr_Odd> look at the magnetic alignment of undistrubed ores and you can quite easily tell that the poles have shifted in the past
[17:36] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> think
[17:36] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> shifted by what degrees
[17:36] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> and for what reason?
[17:37] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> think
[17:37] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> a polar reversal is a total switch of poles
[17:37] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> half a reversal will bring it at 90%
[17:38] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> not to mention depending on the direction the planet wil come
[17:38] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> determines how much grab it will have before the shift
[17:38] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> i mean on the earth itself
[17:39] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> if the earths spin
[17:39] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> slowed down dramatically
[17:39] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> there would only be intense continental drift
[17:39] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> second
[17:40] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> the chang in poles
[17:40] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> would bring the polar ice caps
[17:40] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> i1 cap toward the sun
[17:40] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> defrost
[17:40] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> flooding
[17:40] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> 3
[17:40] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> disturbance in the flow of the core
[17:40] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> volcanic eruption
[17:41] <Mr_Odd> we dont even know what our core IS
[17:41] <Mr_Odd> to propose that it can be rolled around like a magnetic straggler is absurd
[17:41] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> but its only common sense to the person
[17:41] <Mr_Odd> it's quite likely that the inner core is just a 5 mile-wide fission reactor
[17:41] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> when you look under the earth you find molen lava
[17:41] <Mr_Odd> instead of a giant ball of crystalline iron and nickel
[17:42] <duRRtyjudit> how can someone use such a faggy nickname?
[17:42] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> listen
[17:42] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> the spin of earh as well as gravitation is generated in the core
[17:42] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> the nucleus
[17:42] <Mr_Odd> uhhh
[17:42] <Mr_Odd> gravitation?
[17:43] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> there is alot of current
[17:43] <Mr_Odd> and the spin is a bi-product of planetary formation
[17:43] <Mr_Odd> namely that it starts as a giant ball of SPINNING gas
[17:43] <Mr_Odd> well not a ball
[17:43] <Mr_Odd> but a disk
[17:43] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> ofcourse not
[17:43] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> think the planet never slows down dramatically
[17:43] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> its an energy generated
[17:43] <Mr_Odd> well OBVIOUSLY - there's no friction in space
[17:44] <Mr_Odd> geez
[17:44] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> we have noticed no change
[17:44] <Mr_Odd> and the planet's rotation IS slowing
[17:44] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> yes but gravitation
[17:44] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> throw a rock in the air
[17:44] <Mr_Odd> a day is about 8 millionths of a second longer now as it was 50 years ago
[17:44] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> it comes back down
[17:44] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> this planet feels the effect
[17:44] <Mr_Odd> mmhmm...
[17:44] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> how else would the moon make a total 360 in 30 days
[17:45] <Mr_Odd> what's the have to do with overriding newton's universal LAW of gravitation?
[17:45] <Mr_Odd> uhhh
[17:45] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> law of gravitation
[17:45] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> on earth
[17:45] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> the laws of gravity in space are different
[17:45] <Mr_Odd> the moon's rotation is quite explainable within a conventional framework
[17:45] <Mr_Odd> oh is that so?
[17:45] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> no
[17:45] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> lies
[17:45] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> thats right'
[17:45] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> when dealing with gravity
[17:46] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> on eartgh
[17:46] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> your dealing with one force
[17:46] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> attraction
[17:46] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> toward the core
[17:46] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> its created by particle flow from the nucleus
[17:46] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> through north
[17:46] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> around to south
[17:47] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> when dealing with to gravity reactors there is different laws
[17:47] <Mr_Odd> you clearly have no understanding of anything dealing with what you discuss
[17:47] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> just like playing with two magnets
[17:47] <Mr_Odd> I don't hold debates with unmoving ignorance, sorry
[17:47] <Mr_Odd> read a high school physics textbook, then get back to me
[17:47] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> you have no idea
[17:47] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> ok
[17:47] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> observations were made
[17:47] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> and theories came from those
[17:48] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> there are laws
[17:48] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> but the reason for these laws go unknown
[17:48] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> you will see
[17:48] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> the whole theory is messed
[17:48] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> it is
[17:48] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> but i have back up for my statements
[17:48] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> you dont
[17:49] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> tell me why there is gravity on the moon
[17:49] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> but no magnetosphere
[17:49] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> thats one theory that made no sence
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[17:50] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> or  why we have not noticed any change in orbit or speed
[17:50] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> according to the theory
[17:50] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> the planet will eventuall fall into the sun
[17:50] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> due to the gravity DRAG
[17:50] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> but why is it
[17:51] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> historic documents 8000 years ago
[17:51] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> state a year was 360 days
[17:51] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> it appears it is taking longer
[17:51] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> if the planet where to come closer
[17:51] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> it would revolve quicker
[17:51] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> why have we gained days
[17:52] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> this is where an astronomer would stick his thumb up his ass and just start thinking up theories
[17:52] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> that are just assumed true
[17:53] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> angular momentum
[17:53] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> a balll on a string
[17:53] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> swinging
[17:53] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> if you shorten the string
[17:53] <duRRtyjudit> airman_contagious_corpses_of_1: can you please /nick airman
[17:53] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> the frequency would increase
[17:53] <duRRtyjudit> ?
[17:53] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> ??
[17:53] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> say again
[17:53] <duRRtyjudit> your nickname is very annoying.
[17:54] <duRRtyjudit> i said type /nick airman
[17:54] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> no
[17:54] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> i will not
[17:55] <duRRtyjudit> are you sure?
[17:55] <airman_contagious_corpses_of_1> ok
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[17:55] <airman> hello
[17:55] <airman> mr odd
[17:55] <airman> are you there
[17:56] <Mr_Odd> yes
[17:56] <airman> i have a question
[17:56] <Mr_Odd> shoot
[17:57] <airman> the sun is polarized?
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[17:57] <abflkasjdflasjdflkasjflksjdfks> hi
[17:57] <Mr_Odd> what do you mean?
[17:57] <abflkasjdflasjdflkasjflksjdfks> hehehe
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[17:57] <airman> it has a north and south pole
[17:57] <airman> just like a magnet
[17:57] <Mr_Odd> the light it emits is not, but magnetically it itself is
[17:57] <airman> the same particle flow
[17:57] <agentY> that was an odd nickname
[17:58] <Mr_Odd> actually the particle flow is quite different from a magnet's
[17:58] <Mr_Odd> due to its rotation
[17:58] <Mr_Odd> the field lines in the middle get stretch
[17:58] <Mr_Odd> ed
[17:58] <airman> but still
[17:58] <airman> same qualities
[17:58] <airman> north
[17:58] <Mr_Odd> and about every 12 years, they stretch to a breaking point and become direct again
[17:58] <airman> south
[17:58] <Mr_Odd> well yes
[17:59] <airman> if two planets polarized the same came near each other what will happen
[17:59] <airman> ?
[18:00] <agentY> airman any porno??
[18:00] <airman> porno?
[18:00] <agentY> yup
[18:01] <Mr_Odd> well there will be a shift of magnetism
[18:01] <Mr_Odd> i'm not doubting THAT
[18:01] <airman> but the whole idea is there would not only be a shift
[18:01] <airman> but repulsion
[18:01] <Mr_Odd> but it's quite a longshot to say that an as-yet undiscovered planet will come close enough to the earth to cause the poles to shift, without ANY scientific data backing it up
[18:01] <airman> a factor that astronomers think is non existant
[18:02] <airman> well
[18:02] <airman> yes
[18:02] <airman> i think the biggist argument here is the credibility of zetatalk statements
[18:03] <Mr_Odd> especially since so many of them are completely absurd
[18:03] <Mr_Odd> like the whole Red and White Persona business
[18:03] <airman> well yes
[18:03] <airman> some of there ideas shine light
[18:03] <airman> but some things that are stated
[18:03] <Mr_Odd> ...while many others block it out
[18:03] <airman> like time travel
[18:04] <airman> time travel is just as rediculous as the primitive man who first though it up
[18:04] <Mr_Odd> well, yes and no
[18:04] <Mr_Odd> time travel forward is quite plausible
[18:05] <Mr_Odd> in fact, we're both doing it right now
[18:05] <airman> not really
[18:05] <airman> if you think it was an idea created by humans
[18:05] <Mr_Odd> yes really
[18:05] <airman> does not exist in matter
[18:05] <Mr_Odd> it's called special relativity
[18:05] <airman> there is no time flow
[18:05] <Mr_Odd> the faster an object is moving, the faster times moves around it
[18:05] <Mr_Odd> time*
[18:05] <airman> lies
[18:06] <airman> that is rediculous
[18:06] <Mr_Odd> uhhh
[18:06] <airman> do you know what time dilation is???
[18:06] <Mr_Odd> einstein is ridiculous?
[18:06] <airman> yes
[18:06] <airman> he is
[18:06] <airman> he was living in a fairytale
[18:06] <Mr_Odd> the founder of practically the entire current Standard Model of Physics was a crack?
[18:06] <Mr_Odd> enlighten me about time dilation
[18:06] <airman> do you know what time dilation is?
[18:06] <Mr_Odd> enlighten me about time dilation
[18:07] <airman> some people will find this confusing
[18:07] <Mr_Odd> i won't
[18:07] <Mr_Odd> I know a great deal about physics
[18:07] <airman> light is the creator of all sight
[18:07] <Mr_Odd> indeed it is
[18:07] <airman> watching a galaxy in a telescope
[18:07] <airman> the light reaches your eyes
[18:08] <airman> but what your seeing is what happend 2 million years ago
[18:08] <airman> so
[18:08] <airman> you have to eyes
[18:08] <Mr_Odd> right..
[18:08] <airman> lets say you had the ability to see infinatly into space
[18:08] <Mr_Odd> mmhmm...
[18:09] <airman> you held one electronic clock in one hand
[18:09] <airman> and another clock you cast into space at half the speed of light
[18:09] <airman> and you watched both at the same time
[18:10] <airman> the one moving at half the speed of light would appear to be moving slower
[18:10] <airman> reason
[18:10] <airman> the time it took to get to your eyes after one second
[18:10] <airman> it will be alot longer the 2nd second
[18:10] <airman> understand
[18:10] <Mr_Odd> mmhmm
[18:10] <airman> ?
[18:11] <Mr_Odd> yes.
[18:11] <airman> the time it takes to get to your eyey will be getting longer and longer
[18:11] <Mr_Odd> mmhmm = yes
[18:11] <airman> so after the clock in your hands is at 10 sec
[18:11] <airman> the clock you see in space would be at 5
[18:12] <Mr_Odd> yes..
[18:12] <Mr_Odd> but what's your point?
[18:12] <airman> now observation of light my be confusing especially a genious with a good imagination in a primitive time
[18:12] <airman> if you through the clock
[18:12] <airman> at the speed of light
[18:12] <airman> what would the seceond hand appear to do?
[18:13] <Mr_Odd> stay still, of course, unless i misunderstand
[18:13] <airman> yes
[18:13] <airman> so after the speed of light what will the second hand do?
[18:13] <Mr_Odd> that's relativity
[18:13] <Mr_Odd> there is no "after the speed of light"
[18:13] <Mr_Odd> that's the whole point
[18:13] <airman> but if there was
[18:13] <Mr_Odd> light is the ultimate barrier
[18:14] <airman> how do you now this
[18:14] <Mr_Odd> well, i don't
[18:14] <airman> says who einstine
[18:14] <airman> what does he know
[18:14] <Mr_Odd> but if FTL was possible, then the universe would be a VERY different place
[18:14] <airman> im basically saying
[18:15] <airman> if it was to move faster than the speed of light
[18:15] <Mr_Odd> to travel back in time within one universe is an impossibility, even without the physics
[18:15] <Mr_Odd> just common senbse dictates as much
[18:15] <airman> would the second hand move backwards???
[18:15] <Mr_Odd> because to travel back in time in your own universe would change it completey
[18:15] <duRRtyjudit> yeah
[18:15] <duRRtyjudit> think about killing your mother in the past.
[18:15] <Mr_Odd> the very act of backward time travel would spawn a new universe
[18:15] <airman> the second hand will move backward
[18:15] <airman> ?
[18:15] <Mr_Odd> which would be the one you were affecting
[18:16] <airman> no
[18:16] <airman> what im saying is there is no time flow
[18:16] <Mr_Odd> ah, the static multiverse theory
[18:16] <airman> he wstupified by light itself
[18:16] <airman> it just doesnt make sense for there to be time flow
[18:16] <airman> there is light flow
[18:17] <Mr_Odd> indeed it doesn't
[18:17] <Mr_Odd> it doesn't fit into quantum equations very well at all
[18:17] <airman> as you know space is three dimentional;
[18:17] <airman> where would this other time be???
[18:17] <Mr_Odd> which is leading many physicists to believe that the universe is static, and that every "instant" is the travel to another static universe
[18:17] <airman> thats insane
[18:17] <airman> listen
[18:18] <Mr_Odd> i am
[18:18] <airman> we live in one matter
[18:18] <airman> one
[18:18] <airman> there is no space fabric
[18:18] <airman> or time fabri
[18:18] <airman> its just a fairytale
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[18:18] <airman> just like time travel
[18:18] <airman> how can you make things go backward by beating time
[18:19] <airman> or slip into another time frame
[18:19] <airman> one day people will understand
[18:19] <airman> if they can comprehend
[18:19] <airman> the reality
[18:19] <airman> they live in
[18:20] <Mr_Odd> oh, so I suppose only you have this enlightened view of the universe, despite your complete lack of understanding modern physics and goign against everything we have observed?
[18:20] <Mr_Odd> that's quite an egotistical mindset
[18:20] <airman> oh i understand the physics
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[18:20] <airman> it just makes no sence
[18:20] <airman> its retarted
[18:20] <airman> its a jumble of theories
[18:20] <Mr_Odd> =\
[18:21] <airman> i must go now
[18:21] <airman> byes
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[18:21] <Mr_Odd> sheesh
[18:21] <Mr_Odd> i hate fuckng people like that
[18:23] <Mr_Odd> "i'm the only one who knows shit about shit... no, I don't really have any observations to back it up... no, there are no equations... no, everyone else is wrong.  but you have to listen to ME, because I'm right, because i created this crackpot theory myself and since I'm the best person ever it must be right and everyone else is wrong!"
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