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[00:58] <obany> kom ff langs wippen ga zo weer off .. kom dan later wel weer .......
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[02:25] <obany> hi
[02:26] <Rich> hello
[02:26] <obany> hi Richard :)
[02:26] <Rich> hi obany
[02:27] <Rich> Boxing day morning there
[02:28] <Rich> we have a slow connection or is everyone away talking?
[02:28] <obany> nah not a slow cnnection
[02:28] <obany> i guess that most are well just not behind their PC's
[02:28] <Rich> cool
[02:29] <Rich> aha
[02:29] <Rich> you in the Netherlands obany?
[02:31] <Rich> its supposed to be the start of summer here (NZ) and they had snowfall on Xmas Day in parts of the South Island
[02:32] <Rich> just like zetatalk said would happen
[02:32] <Mr_Odd> where did ZT say that?
[02:32] <Rich> have a look under accuracy section
[02:33] <Rich> from memory under "weather" heading
[02:33] <Mr_Odd> hmm
[02:34] <Mr_Odd> they dont say anythign about that
[02:34] <Mr_Odd> they say the weather will get wierd
[02:34] <Mr_Odd> but that's about it
[02:34] <Mr_Odd> anything can be used to support a claim like that
[02:34] <Mr_Odd> weird weather happens all the time
[02:34] <Rich> and that there will be winter weather in summer and vice versa
[02:34] <Mr_Odd> but when you're looking at it as a hopeful part of a pattern, then you don't see it objectively
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[02:36] <Rich> so if you have a augumentative pattern then the same applies
[02:37] <obany> odd: shut up
[02:37] <Rich> also how far back does your memory remember weird weather?
[02:38] <obany> if you don't see the sings well then you are blind ... that's about it
[02:38] <obany> signs
[02:39] <Rich> they have just finished showing Independence Day on TV here (about 4/5 time)
[02:39] <Rich> I now look at that movie from the other side of the coin
[02:39] <Mr_Odd> i'm not saying that bizarre weather ISN'T increasing -- it clearly has
[02:39] <Rich> and try not to laugh too loud
[02:39] <obany> " Those who want a horn to blow, certainty, and are demanding this, are simply not processing information. They are children, wanting black and white and unable to be comfortable when having to think for themselves. They are lost, during the shift, in any case, and will be found wandering around, lost, afterwards, demanding of some stranger that certainly be brought into their lives.
[02:39] <obany> " http://www.zetatalk.com/poleshft/p169.htm
[02:39] <Mr_Odd> but there's far more likely explanations than the "solar system being out of equilibrium"
[02:40] <obany> oooh come on ..... yeah sure it's the son it's the greenhouse affect
[02:40] <obany> doh go figure
[02:40] <Mr_Odd> no, not even
[02:40] <Mr_Odd> there could be natural cycles that cause these things
[02:40] <obany> natural cycles my ass
[02:40] <Mr_Odd> and clearly are
[02:40] <Rich> who says the solar system is out of equilibrium?
[02:40] <Mr_Odd> even px is a natural cycle
[02:40] <Mr_Odd> nancy lieder does.
[02:41] <Rich> its not out of equilibrium if px is part of it its just a natural cycle .... true?
[02:42] <Mr_Odd> but it's supposedly not part of the original solar system, so it throws things out of wack
[02:42] <Mr_Odd> using a mysterious as-yet undiscovered form of energy
[02:42] <obany> not the solar system
[02:42] <Mr_Odd> i'm taking this right off ZT
[02:43] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s101.htm
[02:43] <Rich> well put it this way Mr_Odd you better read fast because ther's not long left to decide
[02:45] <Mr_Odd> i hate to tell ya, I'm not terribly concerned
[02:45] <Mr_Odd> heh
[02:45] <Mr_Odd> i'm still yet to see ANY actualy evidence for any part of this being true
[02:45] <Rich> what is amazing me is the readyness of friends and family not to dismiss myself & my wife as crackpots but to offer books they have on things like "what herb is that" "survival" etc etc
[02:45] <Mr_Odd> other than subjective conclusion-jumping and biased testimony
[02:46] <Rich> well only you can decide for yourself Mr_Odd
[02:47] <Rich> and if it doesn't happen I will accept the fact my wife & I have learnt how to be more self reliant and learnt the basics of survival
[02:47] <obany> you are so ignorand ... odd, if the time comes you will say "it was right" and then what?
[02:47] <Mr_Odd> and then obviously I'll begin preparing
[02:47] <Rich> to late mate
[02:47] <Mr_Odd> but that will indeed be the first time I've ever heard any actually convincing data
[02:47] <Mr_Odd> well then so be it
[02:47] <obany> odd: as soon as it will occur then you will prepare .. sigh
[02:47] <Mr_Odd> I choose to take that risk
[02:48] <obany> that's your choise
[02:48] <Mr_Odd> no, it will be quite visible in the next few weeks if it is going to happen
[02:48] <Mr_Odd> (as it should be now...)
[02:48] <Rich> well you obviously have some notion or you won't be here so hope never runs out
[02:48] <Mr_Odd> indeed
[02:48] <obany> 7 weeks before it will occur you will see the planet ... would that be enough time for you ?
[02:49] <Mr_Odd> 7 weeks before with NAKED EYES
[02:49] <Mr_Odd> but there's quite a difference between naked eye and a 4" reflector telescope
[02:49] <obany> and do you still have the time then to relocate?
[02:49] <Mr_Odd> I would in fact say i do, actually
[02:49] <Mr_Odd> I know many people inland and north alike
[02:50] <Rich> Mr_Odd they people are also talking about a major event happening in May on UFO discussion lists I've seen
[02:50] <Mr_Odd> what kind of event is that?
[02:50] <Rich> some say a social change, political change
[02:51] <Mr_Odd> you DO see the remarkable similarites between the nibiru phenomenon and organized religion, don't you?
[02:51] <Rich> but the important thing is people sense a change approaching
[02:51] <Mr_Odd> you do understand that people have been convinced of far worse, and far more completely
[02:51] <Mr_Odd> take heaven's gate
[02:51] <Rich> that's a tired argument
[02:51] <Mr_Odd> they thought an alien mothership was behind comet hale-bopp
[02:51] <Mr_Odd> it's hardly tired if it's still very much valid
[02:52] <Mr_Odd> arguments need not be fresh and new to be relevant
[02:52] <Rich> well zetatalk isn't asking you to kill yourself
[02:52] <Mr_Odd> indeed it's not
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[02:52] <Mr_Odd> but other than the recommended action, there isn't a whole lot of difference
[02:52] <Mr_Odd> or take christianity
[02:53] <Mr_Odd> doomsday forecasts unless you do everything just so
[02:53] <Mr_Odd> sound familiar?
[02:53] <Mr_Odd> it's called evolutionary persuasion
[02:53] <Mr_Odd> arguments, like those for nibiru, have great aspects that promote theior being passed on
[02:53] <Mr_Odd> much like the 3 major religions around today
[02:53] <Mr_Odd> fear is a very powerful emotion
[02:54] <Mr_Odd> the fear of impending doom is quite a tool in some hands
[02:54] <Rich> so you are saying that this could be getting presented as a new religion?
[02:54] <Mr_Odd> no, not at all
[02:54] <Mr_Odd> religion are just some of the most successful examples of evolutionary persuasion
[02:55] <Rich> persuasion to achieve what?
[02:55] <Mr_Odd> well, in nancy's case, I personally think she may have never intended something on the scale it exists at now
[02:55] <Mr_Odd> but there is a decent financial gain to be made
[02:55] <Rich> got you
[02:55] <Mr_Odd> TT, Inc., pulled $52k last year, tax and labor free
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[02:55] <Rich> I knew money would come into it
[02:56] <Mr_Odd> and that's excluding the sales of the book and video
[02:56] <Rich> and how do you know the $ figure?
[02:56] <Mr_Odd> well we live in a system driven by money, there isn't much it doesn't pervade
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[02:56] <Mr_Odd> but even without the money, she has gained respect, popularity, and a constant reinforcemenbt of a superiority complex
[02:57] <Mr_Odd> it's in the TT annual report
[02:57] <obany> Tt inc is not about money making you fool
[02:57] <Mr_Odd> available on the website
[02:57] <Rich> but how do you know the $ figure?
[02:57] <Mr_Odd> it's in the TT annual report
[02:57] <Mr_Odd> available on the website
[02:57] <obany> TT inc is not about money making, it's a non profit organisation ....
[02:57] <Rich> so nothing is being hidden then
[02:57] <Mr_Odd> a non-profit organization still pays salaries
[02:57] <Mr_Odd> and in fact, the more it pays, the better, because it's required to use up all it's funds
[02:58] <obany> There are no salaries being payed
[02:58] <Mr_Odd> then where does all the money go?
[02:58] <Rich> I asked nancy for the cost of books to NZ and never heard back from her ... doesn't sound like someone that interested in money to me
[02:58] <Mr_Odd> seeds?
[02:58] <Mr_Odd> how does that show anything, rich?
[02:58] <Mr_Odd> she likely gets upwards of 1,000 emails per day
[02:58] <obany> odd: check the troubled times inc site again Mr_Odd before you make that stupid comment again
[02:58] <Mr_Odd> and even if she didn't, her not responding hardly shows a thign
[02:58] <Rich> if she was interested in money she would have been onto it quickly
[02:59] <Mr_Odd> which comment is that?
[02:59] <Mr_Odd> not really
[02:59] <Mr_Odd> if it were an obvious ploy for money it wouldn't live long
[02:59] <Mr_Odd> and the money isn't even the primary part of it, I think
[02:59] <Rich> see your arguments aren't valid either
[02:59] <Mr_Odd> just this whole culture that she has created
[02:59] <Mr_Odd> and how are they not valid?
[03:00] <Mr_Odd> why do all of you guys insist on mudslinging with mud that isn't there? this is perhaps the 5th time I've been subjected to this childish nonsense
[03:00] <Rich> hey you started it
[03:00] <Rich> I posted a piece about snow at the start of summer
[03:00] <Mr_Odd> well i like thinking about stuff
[03:00] <Mr_Odd> and if this planet really is coming, i wanna know
[03:01] <Mr_Odd> but so far, I haven't heard anything that leads me to think it is
[03:01] <Mr_Odd> and I've heard a great deal that leads me to think it's not
[03:01] <obany> " Those who want a horn to blow, certainty, and are demanding this, are simply not processing information. They are children, wanting black and white and unable to be comfortable when having to think for themselves. They are lost, during the shift, in any case, and will be found wandering around, lost, afterwards, demanding of some stranger that certainly be brought into their lives.
[03:01] <Mr_Odd> we all saw it the first time, obany
[03:01] <obany> that's from zetatalk
[03:01] <Mr_Odd> indeed it is
[03:01] <obany> you are a guy that wants a horn to blow i guess
[03:01] <Mr_Odd> stereotyping nonbelievers as "heathens" that should be regarded as children and obviously in the wrong
[03:01] <Mr_Odd> once again, it sounds quite familiar
[03:02] <Mr_Odd> statements like that are just safeguards
[03:02] <Rich> well sorry Mr_Odd I can't help
[03:02] <Mr_Odd> keep people believing
[03:02] <Mr_Odd> i would hardly say there's anything childish about my manner OR my argument
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[03:02] <obany> !kick Mr_Odd
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[03:02] <Mr_Odd> ...
[03:02] <Mr_Odd> this is a channel for debate
[03:03] <Mr_Odd> not petty vendettas
[03:03] <Rich> I see America is now deep in financial do do
[03:03] <Mr_Odd> nah, this war will do the economy some good
[03:03] <Mr_Odd> once we start getting oil from iraq and the caspian reserves once the afghan pipeline is built
[03:03] <Rich> you can't eat/drink oil
[03:03] <Mr_Odd> yeah, but you can sell it
[03:04] <Mr_Odd> and oil companies making money translates to other large companies, even in totally unrelated fields, to make money
[03:04] <Rich> have you looked at the lastest crop production figures from the UN?
[03:04] <obany> doh if you think that this war will be do some good, then you are clearly blinder then the blind
[03:04] <obany> WAR sucks
[03:04] <Mr_Odd> oh god, are you kidding?
[03:04] <Mr_Odd> i'm a peace activist
[03:04] <obany> Bush Administration is evil
[03:04] <Mr_Odd> i hate bush with a passion
[03:04] <obany> good to hear that
[03:04] <Mr_Odd> i've marched against these fuckers countless times, all over the countryu
[03:04] <Rich> hold on obny you have to fight argument with good argument if not better argument
[03:05] <obany> at least we agree on something..
[03:05] <obany> Bush is a dork
[03:05] <Rich> well Mr_Odd I'm trying to assist you here
[03:05] <Mr_Odd> im trying to be assisted
[03:05] <Mr_Odd> not attacked
[03:05] <Mr_Odd> i'm just playing devil's advocate here
[03:05] <Rich> have you seen the UN worldwide crop figures?
[03:05] <Mr_Odd> they're declining, I suppose?
[03:05] <Rich> down now 3 years in a row
[03:06] <Mr_Odd> likely just as they were perhaps 30 years ago
[03:06] <Mr_Odd> that sort of thng scan be caused by things oither than planets ;x
[03:06] <obany> get REAL
[03:06] <Mr_Odd> uhhh
[03:06] <Rich> here are the facts USA/No 1 world wheat exporter, Australia No 2 World wheat exporter,
[03:06] <Mr_Odd> el nino
[03:06] <Mr_Odd> global warming
[03:06] <Mr_Odd> sun cooling/warming cycle
[03:07] <Mr_Odd> galactic molecular cloud movement
[03:07] <Mr_Odd> ozone depletion
[03:07] <Mr_Odd> magnetosphere distortion
[03:07] <Mr_Odd> any one of those things, or more likely a combination of all, could have caused it
[03:07] <Mr_Odd> hmm lets see waht else...
[03:07] <Mr_Odd> oxygen starvation due to excessive plankton growth caused by nitrate runoff
[03:07] <[3j]> hi
[03:07] <Mr_Odd> oxygen balance upset
[03:08] <[3j]> merry xmas mrodd
[03:08] <Mr_Odd> merry christmas, 3j
[03:08] <[3j]> did px come around yet? :)
[03:08] <[3j]> santa pushed it away maybe
[03:08] <Mr_Odd> nope, still lookin
[03:08] <Mr_Odd> lol
[03:09] <obany> <sotos> hello
[03:09] <obany> <obany> first time in this channel ??
[03:09] <obany> <sotos> yeah
[03:09] <obany> <sotos> no much talking here ee?
[03:09] <obany> <sotos> do you believe the shift is comming?????
[03:09] <obany> <obany> nah not at this time, more people talking in the debating channel
[03:09] <obany> <obany> yes sotos
[03:09] <Mr_Odd> as for the volcanism and seismic activity, our planet's inner workings are still quite unknown, and even using what we DO know, there are natural cycles that occur
[03:09] <obany> <sotos> I also believe !! I dont know why?
[03:09] <obany> <obany> a feeling, intution ?
[03:09] <obany> woops
[03:09] <obany> this wasn't for here .. my fault
[03:10] <[3j]> hehe
[03:10] <Mr_Odd> then there's the fact that magnetic pole shifts have occurred for as long as the geologic record exzists...
[03:10] <[3j]> merry xmas obany
[03:10] <Mr_Odd> occurring in intervals as short as 50 years apart to 500,000 years apart
[03:10] <[3j]> hope your having fun
[03:10] <Mr_Odd> so all in all, i don't see much going for planet x
[03:10] <Mr_Odd> but that's just my take on it
[03:11] <[3j]> yeah
[03:11] <[3j]> still though, so many things are changing
[03:11] <Mr_Odd> then of course there's the increased polulated area and increasing development, allowing closer study of such events and making them detected more often..
[03:11] <Mr_Odd> but uhhh
[03:11] <Mr_Odd> yeah, i guess that's about it
[03:11] <[3j]> nah..
[03:12] <[3j]> even if the increase detection, there is still obvious change
[03:12] <Mr_Odd> and even if px IS coming, it's possible, even likely, that it'll have virtually no magnetic affect at all, if the nuclear inner core theory is correct
[03:12] <Mr_Odd> well yes, that's where natural cycles come in
[03:12] <[3j]> right
[03:12] <[3j]> like el nino is
[03:12] <Mr_Odd> it seems quite silly to think that the rate of occurrance for these kinds of things stays pretty much uniform over time
[03:12] <Mr_Odd> so we're just in a heightened activity period
[03:13] <[3j]> huge climatic changes have happened many times before
[03:13] <Mr_Odd> yep
[03:13] <obany> el nino is caused by vulcanism in the oceans for what i know or read
[03:13] <[3j]> ahh
[03:13] <Mr_Odd> no, it's caused by a temporary  reversal of the prevailing winds
[03:13] <Mr_Odd> causing an excessive warming in the southeast pacific
[03:13] <[3j]> and increased volcanism is becaused of px approaching effects
[03:14] <[3j]> because
[03:14] <Rich> I wonder what caused the wind to change?
[03:14] <Mr_Odd> it's quite well understood
[03:14] <Mr_Odd> el nino occurs every 6 or 7 years, and has for as long as we've kept track
[03:14] <[3j]> polution could change wind patterns
[03:14] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword10n.htm
[03:14] <obany> odd... you know what
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[03:14] <Rich> notice how they never talk about the ozone hole anymore
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[03:15] <[3j]> being +o is lonely here :(
[03:15] <Mr_Odd> what about it?
[03:15] <Rich> just disappeared off the radar screen
[03:16] <[3j]> lots of things do that
[03:16] <[3j]> what about the sniper, remember him?
[03:16] <Rich> yep
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[03:16] <[3j]> thats not really a hot news topic
[03:16] <[3j]> also that airplane in ny, that dropped its engines
[03:16] <Rich> what the ozone hole or the sniper  
[03:16] <[3j]> thats another thing that died out quick
[03:16] <[3j]> all of these things
[03:17] <[3j]> and other stuff too
[03:17] <Rich> of course its terrorism now
[03:17] <Mr_Odd> the ozone hole still makes headlines, just not in the mainstream media
[03:17] <Rich> silly me I forgot
[03:17] <Mr_Odd> still quite talked about in the scientific community
[03:17] <Rich> BIG BULLSHIT Mr_Odd the ozone hole does not make the news
[03:17] <[3j]> last i read there was something about the ozone hole closing
[03:18] <Mr_Odd> yes it deos, i read about it pretty often in my magazines
[03:18] <Rich> they recently remembered it need talking about so it was reported it had broke in two
[03:18] <[3j]> regressing or something
[03:18] <Rich> next day it was off the radar screen
[03:18] <Rich> 'regressing is crap too
[03:18] <[3j]> oh its not true?
[03:18] <[3j]> what i read is that it had to do with a reasearch in .au
[03:18] <[3j]> there pretty close to the hole i think
[03:19] <Mr_Odd> well it's all done with satelites now anyway
[03:19] <Rich> and also I read where sudden;y it was discovered somewhere in the Nthern Hermisphere
[03:19] <Mr_Odd> could be monitored form the norrth pole for all they care
[03:19] <[3j]> yeah
[03:19] <Mr_Odd> indeed, there is an ozone hole in the north
[03:19] <Rich> could be bullshit alsdo for all they care
[03:19] <Mr_Odd> though much smaller
[03:20] <Rich> anything to keep your mind off the important
[03:20] <obany> http://english.pravda.ru/region/2002/12/24/41248.html  http://english.pravda.ru/region/2002/12/25/41312.html  http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$NQ1T55CMS0NBBQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2002/12/25/uearth.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/12/25/ixport.htmlhttp://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$NQ1T55CMS0NBBQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2002/12/25/uearth.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/12/25/ixport.html
[03:20] <obany> woops
[03:20] <obany> http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$NQ1T55CMS0NBBQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2002/12/25/uearth.xml&sSheet=/portal/2002/12/25/ixport.html
[03:20] <Rich> Mr_Odd have you read any old myths or legends?
[03:20] <Mr_Odd> yes, i have
[03:21] <Rich> and how do you respond to those stories
[03:21] <Rich> old wifes tale?
[03:21] <Rich> true?
[03:21] <obany> just as that ... as myths ...
[03:21] <[3j]> well good night and happy hollidays everyone!
[03:22] <Mr_Odd> gnight 3j!
[03:22] <Rich> not relevant to modern society?
[03:22] <Mr_Odd> well they have applicable morals and lessons
[03:22] <Mr_Odd> not to mention they can be quite entertaining
[03:22] <obany> you see
[03:22] <Rich> well lets take two of them
[03:22] <obany> just as myths
[03:23] <Rich> Hopi Indian and Maori (New Zealand)
[03:23] <Rich> both talk of an ending of life as we know it in the very near time
[03:23] <Mr_Odd> there's enough old societies to provide a myth for practically ANY claim like this...
[03:24] <Rich> ok I can't be bothered wasting your time anymore as I can "see" the board across your mind and its closed your thinking
[03:24] <Mr_Odd> hardly
[03:24] <Rich> bye
[03:25] <Mr_Odd> what you present as "evidence" is nothign of the sort
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[03:25] <duRRtyjudit> haha.
[03:25] <duRRtyjudit> :x
[03:25] <Mr_Odd> just random occurrences and coincidences woven into this elaborate framework
[03:25] <Mr_Odd> heh
[03:25] <duRRtyjudit> don't try to make the blind see.
[03:25] <Mr_Odd> i'm not even trying to
[03:25] <obany> durrytyjudit: and we are blind?
[03:25] <Mr_Odd> i just wanna convince myself that this shit COULDN'T be fake
[03:25] <Mr_Odd> i would be so disappointed with humanity
[03:26] <Mr_Odd> if it was
[03:26] <Mr_Odd> if so many smart people had been tricked
[03:29] <obany> http://www.drboylan.com/may2003.html not talking about zetatalk here ... but yet
[03:30] <duRRtyjudit> obany: in my opinion you are, but i don't think you are stupid or anything just because we see things differently.
[03:31] <obany> well in my opinon those who don't see the sings are well 'blind'
[03:31] <Mr_Odd> if i were making a claim like dr. sprinkle in that article, I would indeed prefer using a date already supported by another cause - it lends credibility to both
[03:31] <Mr_Odd> i see the sings
[03:31] <Mr_Odd> i just don't think they're signs of something so crazy as a poleshift
[03:31] <duRRtyjudit> i am not going to get into this.
[03:31] <Mr_Odd> i mean to believe so is just so out of left field, as if there were no other way it could happen
[03:32] <Mr_Odd> when you guys yourselves are always bringing up how little we really know
[03:32] <Mr_Odd> there could be countless explanations for all these phenomena that have nothing ot do with px
[03:34] <obany> sigh
[03:36] <Mr_Odd> i fail to see how planet x is the only explanation for things that have occurred constantly in thepast
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[12:08] <agentY> dirtyjew???
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[12:09] <agentY> jk
[12:09] <duRRtyjudit> lol
[12:09] <duRRtyjudit> only dirty =P
[12:10] <agentY> ok
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[12:26] <BC> agentY...? you awake...??
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[12:27] <planetx> :)
[12:27] <planetx> hi
[12:27] <BC> hey px...
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[12:33] <BC> the amateur sightings of mid 2002 per zetas...
[12:33] <BC> never really materialized...
[12:33] <BC> zetas right again.....???
[12:34] <BC> hardly...
[12:34] <BC> i am making a prediction now...
[12:34] <BC> there will be wars, rumors of wars...
[12:34] <Red> lol   ya think?
[12:34] <BC> famine, pestilience.. drought...
[12:34] <planetx> wars?:)
[12:34] <BC> yes... i am predicting it...
[12:34] <planetx> ?
[12:34] <planetx> ?
[12:35] <planetx> wars?:)
[12:35] <planetx> are you kiding
[12:35] <BC> wars between nations and wars between people...
[12:35] <BC> gang wars...
[12:35] <BC> civil wars...
[12:35] <planetx> what between whom
[12:35] <planetx> ha ha ha
[12:35] <planetx> no one wants wars
[12:35] <Red> you have an amazing grasp of the obvious I'd say ;)
[12:35] <planetx> so
[12:35] <planetx> so
[12:35] <BC> the do gooders will win against the bad guys
[12:35] <BC> lol red... not really... these are predictions...
[12:35] <planetx> i would say that you take very serious the facts
[12:35] <BC> i am thumping my bible...
[12:36] <BC> thump... thump....
[12:36] <planetx> so,there were predictions
[12:36] <Red> lol
[12:36] <planetx> many predictionsssssssss
[12:36] <planetx> many
[12:36] <planetx> many
[12:36] <planetx> many
[12:36] <planetx> for 2000 year
[12:36] <planetx> for 2001
[12:36] <planetx> for 2002
[12:36] <planetx> and now there are for 2003
[12:36] <planetx> are you stuped
[12:36] <planetx> and?
[12:36] <planetx> what happened
[12:36] <BC> lol... which ones are you refering to?
[12:36] <planetx> so amny predictins
[12:37] <BC> the zeta ones, the ashtar command ones.. the pleidian ones?
[12:37] <planetx> and now one has stoppde to 11 sept
[12:37] <planetx> so amny predictiond
[12:37] <planetx> and no one predict the 11 sept
[12:37] <BC> only nancy can say for sure now that we head into 2003
[12:37] <planetx> all is to depress people
[12:37] <BC> to raise taxes?
[12:38] <planetx> nothing that people have predicic has happened
[12:38] <planetx> nothing
[12:38] <BC> i am also predicting unpredictable weather....
[12:38] <Red> wow
[12:38] <planetx> and wars with iraq are ilusions
[12:38] <BC> :))
[12:39] <planetx> :)
[12:39] <BC> there will be cold weather in winter...
[12:39] <planetx> everything is made only to depress people
[12:39] <BC> there will be hot weather in summer...
[12:39] <planetx> sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo,there isnt only changes in the weather this year:)
[12:39] <BC> i don't tell white lies, i am more accurate than zetas
[12:39] <planetx> there were many changes in weather before
[12:40] <planetx> simply the weather changes
[12:40] <BC> i am 110% accurate...
[12:40] <planetx> nothing more
[12:40] <planetx> everytime the weather has changed
[12:40] <BC> there will be earthquakes...
[12:40] <BC> there will be volcanoes...
[12:40] <BC> there will be fires...
[12:40] <BC> there will be economic uncertainty...
[12:41] <planetx> ha ha ha ha ha,when
[12:41] <planetx> :)))))))))))0
[12:41] <BC> many dying people will die....
[12:41] <planetx> in 1000000000000000000000000000 yeras:)(
[12:41] <planetx> stop
[12:41] <planetx> you are sts
[12:41] <planetx> everyone is sts
[12:41] <planetx> from yopu
[12:41] <planetx> ha ha ha
[12:41] <BC> obany is sto...
[12:41] <planetx> do you want from me to believe you
[12:41] <planetx> ha ha ha
[12:42] <planetx> you will die with imagin that world is going to die
[12:42] <BC> steve havas is sto....
[12:42] <planetx> but people like you have to die
[12:42] <planetx> because you stop world's development
[12:42] <planetx> you only think for distraction
[12:42] <planetx> lough
[12:42] <BC> planetx... are you threatening me...?
[12:42] <planetx> be happy
[12:42] <planetx> happy new 2003
[12:42] <planetx> i dont care for 2003
[12:43] <planetx> or 2004
[12:43] <planetx> or 2005
[12:43] <BC> hmmm.. i need to win the lotto and have $$ to be happy
[12:43] <BC> money is happiness....
[12:43] <BC> greed is good...
[12:43] <planetx> there  were many predicitons for 2002
[12:43] <planetx> and?
[12:44] <BC> i am only teasing you px... as you know....
[12:44] <planetx> does something happened
[12:44] <planetx> ha ha ha
[12:44] <planetx> bye
[12:44] <BC> bye
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[12:46] <planetx> i cant hear people,who are not happy,if only money makes you to be happy,you are not a man,and if you say that many people will die,i am happy for you and them,because for you people only think for money,thats not true,somebody has seriously affected your mind:)
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[13:20] <obany> i guess that himitsu still thinks that ABC is the same persona as Nancy  ... sigh sigh sigh
[13:25] <agentY> ho ho ho
[13:25] <agentY> merry xmas
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[15:33] <alex2221> who here think the nency lieder is lying?
[15:33] <alex2221> who here think the nency lieder is lying?
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[16:05] <Magnetos> Hello?
[16:05] <Magnetos> Okay, can someone explain to me why this room is always full but there is never a discussion occurring in it?
[16:05] <Z--AC-log> mag you left too quick
[16:06] <Z--AC-log> go on back to earthchanges
[16:06] <Magnetos> Alrighty.
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[17:53] <Jojojo> hi all
[17:53] <Jojojo> does anyone know where 2 get the fear.com screener?
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[18:01] <agentY> hi
[18:07] <agentY> mmmmmmm'
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[18:44] <agentY> bahh
[18:44] <agentY> !seen bc
[18:44] <agentY> !seen jeremy
[18:44] <agentY> !seen monk
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[19:24] <agentY> YO
[19:26] <BoY> yo bro
[19:26] <agentY> kl
[19:26] <BoY> oh yeah
[19:27] <agentY> waz up
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[19:29] <BoY> did you get a job yet
[19:30] <agentY> nop
[19:32] <Himitsu> did you come by looking for some recruits QV?
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[20:14] <inkpen> hello
[20:14] <inkpen> hi chanserv!
[20:14] <inkpen> !huggles
[20:14] <inkpen> NNNOOOOO!!!
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[20:16] <inkpen> !huggle
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[23:33] <agentY> .
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[23:39] <[AC-logging]>  I'm gonna make a useful post to poleshiftdiscussion in just a minute or two -- I suggest you take the time to hang out there for about 10 minutes and form your own opinion now.
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[23:39] <agentY> ban
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