Session Start: Fri Dec 27 00:00:00 2002
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[00:07] <agentY> hi
[00:09] <agentY> list
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[01:27] <[AC-logging]> Guess I'll make a trial run of a long post.
[01:27] <[AC-logging]> see how it goes.
[01:28] <[AC-logging]> This is a re-post for ANY day people that might be interested of something previously placed onto the #poleshiftdiscussion at 3 AM EST.
[01:28] <[AC-logging]> Just a little heads up -- In the spirit of sharing and in STO for your (often prickly) work here I'm going to make a useful post in just about three minutes. I suggest you stick around for that long.
[01:28] <[AC-logging]> Right now I'm in the middle of listening to an archived program that ties togeher almost everything and bears upon Zeta stuff too. VERY INTERESTING  I just came across it tonight and I thought I would share even before I had finished listening.
[01:28] <[AC-logging]> Form your opinion after you have heard what he has to say - he's much more specific in this program than on any previous occasion that I have heard him -- perhaps because Art Bell is leaving.
[01:28] <[AC-logging]> Later, In the spring of 2000 I heard a reference to green fireballs by Bruce Macabbee so I wrote him by email and told him what the Mountie had said. Bruce wrote back, saying "Yes, it isn't widely known but the UFO flap in New Mexico in the late 1940s was mostly green fireballs. My new book, The UFO FBI Connection is based entire upon FOIA documents from the government and has much material on green fireballs."
[01:28] <[AC-logging]> I got his book and based upon what is in the government's own documents they were telling the public a very different story than they were telling themselves internally.
[01:28] <[AC-logging]> The idea of a KTQ is to structure a simple question that can only be answered Yes or NO. If you answer it one way, nothing changes and life goes on as before. If you answer the other, then everything changes. You have a new paradigm to deal with and you have to reevaluate all that you know or thought that you knew. It forces one to open their mind.
[01:28] <[AC-logging]> In May of 2001 when the 'Disclosure Project' Press Conference took place at the National Press Club in Washington, DC. It was then that I developed the concept of the KTQ (Key Threshold Question). I later applied it usefully to both the USS Iowa Explosion and to the TWA 800 downing.
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[01:32] <[AC-logging]> This is a re-post for ANY day people that might be interested of something previously placed onto the #poleshiftdiscussion at 3 AM EST.
[01:32] <[AC-logging]> Just a little heads up -- In the spirit of sharing and in STO for your (often prickly) work here I'm going to make a useful post in just about three minutes. I suggest you stick around for that long.
[01:32] <[AC-logging]> Right now I'm in the middle of listening to an archived program that ties togeher almost everything and bears upon Zeta stuff too. VERY INTERESTING  I just came across it tonight and I thought I would share even before I had finished listening.
[01:32] <[AC-logging]> Form your opinion after you have heard what he has to say - he's much more specific in this program than on any previous occasion that I have heard him -- perhaps because Art Bell is leaving.
[01:32] <[AC-logging]> Later, In the spring of 2000 I heard a reference to green fireballs by Bruce Macabbee so I wrote him by email and told him what the Mountie had said. Bruce wrote back, saying "Yes, it isn't widely known but the UFO flap in New Mexico in the late 1940s was mostly green fireballs. My new book, The UFO FBI Connection is based entire upon FOIA documents from the government and has much material on green fireballs."
[01:32] <[AC-logging]> I got his book and based upon what is in the government's own documents they were telling the public a very different story than they were telling themselves internally.
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[01:33] <[AC-logging]> okay, I think I see what I need to do.
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[01:47] <Thunderbird> Okay, How;s that?
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[02:03] <Thunderbird> one last paragraph
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[03:47] <obany> hi
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[06:21] <obany> hi odd
[06:21] <Mr_Odd> hullo
[06:22] <obany> so himitus: i have a IQ of like 0 .... ooh shut up .. yes i read your postings on sci.astro on how you think about those who take zetatalk serious like Steve Havas etc
[06:22] <obany> dickhead
[06:23] <obany> himitsu
[06:24] <obany> maybe some are even smarter then you ... so how can you say it's like 0 for them
[06:25] <obany> and that that stupid drones word
[06:25] <obany> if you are that smart why do you still think that ABC is Nancy ?
[06:26] <Mr_Odd> i think lots of the people who follow ZT are incredibly intelligent
[06:28] <obany> thnx odd, maybe i don't have a like 180 IQ or whatever but i know for sure that my IQ is above average .. and not below average
[06:29] <juditness> iq and beliefs have nothing to do with each other. :)
[06:29] <Mr_Odd> indeed they don't
[06:29] <obany> juditness: i totaly agree
[06:29] <Mr_Odd> i used to think the moon landings were faked, for instance, but now I know better
[06:39] <obany> well okay, since they landed on the moon yes...
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[06:48] <Himitsu> lol
[06:48] <obany> what's so funny himitsu ?
[06:49] <Himitsu> you
[06:49] <obany> funny me, get real ... thnx for telling me
[06:50] <obany> I always thought of myself as a somber man :P
[06:50] <Himitsu> anytime
[06:50] <Himitsu> I think somber people don't go running around yelling dickhead
[06:51] <obany> so then why do you accuse people like ABC, Steve Havas, JWD as being of a low level IQ?
[06:52] <Himitsu> gee, I wonder
[06:52] <Himitsu> because they come into a sci ng and try and get approval of their theories from people that would rather discuss real science
[06:53] <obany> The fact that well at least Steve Havas take ZT serious... and believe that Planet X is on the pictures
[06:53] <Himitsu> no it isn't
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[06:54] <Himitsu> and the fact that havas takes it seriously means nothing as far as science goes
[06:54] <obany> yes, and that makes him someone of a low level IQ
[06:54] <Himitsu> you said it
[06:54] <obany> ooh go figure himitus
[06:54] <obany> no you said it
[06:54] <Himitsu> yep I did
[06:55] <obany> and you are so damn smart
[06:55] <obany> ?
[06:55] <Himitsu> pretty smart
[06:55] <Himitsu> smart enough to recognise a bunch of crap when I see it
[06:56] <obany> as juditness said earlier on IQ has nothing to do with belief
[06:56] <Himitsu> yep, even smart people get conned sometimes
[06:57] <obany> you are the type of guy that would laughed at someone some eons ago when he or she would have said that the world is round
[06:57] <obany> or that the earth revolves around the sun
[06:57] <Himitsu> not hardly, in fact the opposite
[06:57] <Himitsu> nope
[06:57] <Himitsu> couldn't have guess farther from the truth
[06:57] <Himitsu> keep trying
[06:58] <obany> well then but you want like proof for anything ... yet at that time there was no proof for it ?
[06:58] <Himitsu> the people that laughed at Galileo were the ones that refused to look through a telescope and instead believed in a stupid religious doctorine
[06:59] <Himitsu> whereas I am the type to scoff at religeon and cults and stick to science
[06:59] <Himitsu> better go back and reread history
[06:59] <Himitsu> obany
[06:59] <obany> you don't believe in the existance of a soul either?
[07:00] <Himitsu> I never said that
[07:00] <obany> Himitsu: who said that i was talking about Galileo Galiea?\
[07:00] <obany> well can a soul be proven by science?
[07:00] <Himitsu> nobody, but the church was one of the biggest groups fighting for a geocentric universe
[07:00] <Himitsu> I don't know, can it?
[07:01] <Himitsu> have to go back to I think it was Plato... we are more than the sum of our parts
[07:01] <obany> and since i know well a bit about the religions of your country ... ... i know Budhism believes in Reincarnation ... that Shinto believes in Kami
[07:02] <obany> Budhism by orgin is well not like religion either for what i know
[07:02] <Himitsu> I never said I was Budist
[07:02] <obany> did i said that you where ?
[07:02] <Himitsu> Budism isn't a religeon anyway
[07:02] <Himitsu> it is more of a philosophy
[07:02] <Himitsu> a way of being
[07:02] <obany> yes, i said that too earlier on .. and well i didn't said that you where
[07:03] <obany> i just know that i know about the religions of your country
[07:03] <Himitsu> that's great
[07:03] <obany> there was a time that i had a interrest in Japan
[07:05] <Himitsu> well, all I can say is that science requires proof of claims and that others be able to reproduce the claims of others.
[07:06] <Himitsu> something that is sorely lacking in your beliefes
[07:06] <Himitsu> beliefs
[07:06] <obany> does that makes me a dumbass, does that makes S. Havas a dumbass?
[07:06] <Himitsu> you don't post to sci.astro obany
[07:06] <Himitsu> he does
[07:07] <Himitsu> so I give him both barrels of a 12 gauge
[07:07] <obany> well some years ago i posted to sci.astro ... but only a few ones... now i only read it
[07:08] <Himitsu> well, that is up to you, but if havas posts there and refuses to back up his statements, he is fair game
[07:09] <Himitsu> or if he tries to back himself with a bunch of bunk, then he is even more fair game
[07:09] <Himitsu> he might as well cut himself and jump into a tank full of sharks
[07:09] <obany> But does that make him below average ?????
[07:09] <obany> pray tell
[07:09] <Himitsu> his beliefs make him that way, but you asked
[07:11] <Himitsu> besides, you read sci.astro, you know why I say what I say. I say it as plain as absolutely possible and leave no room for ambiguity
[07:14] <Himitsu> well, I would love to stay online and chat, but nobody in sci.astro needs to be destroyed right now and the skies are clear and the wind isn't blowing
[07:14] <obany> no himitsu: his beliefs to make him that way
[07:15] <Himitsu> and I have 10 inches of glass in the form of a telescope that is screaming to be used
[07:15] <Himitsu> Jupiter is high, and so is Saturn and I will catch Mars before the night is over
[07:15] <obany> what's the time over there on Hokkadio ??
[07:15] <Himitsu> midnight
[07:16] <obany> ah
[07:16] <Himitsu> but I don't live on Hokaido
[07:16] <Himitsu> Honshu
[07:16] <obany> that's a little smaller right?
[07:16] <Himitsu> Kanto Kanagawa-ken
[07:16] <Himitsu> Honshu is all the way north
[07:16] <Himitsu> Honshu is the main island
[07:16] <Himitsu> unfortunately
[07:17] <Himitsu> Tokyo is too close and needs to go away
[07:17] <obany> ah.. okay i made a minor mistake .. though that hokaido was the main island
[07:17] <Himitsu> no, it is too cold there
[07:17] <Himitsu> but at least it is dark
[07:18] <Himitsu> but Izu is dark, and not too far away...
[07:18] <Himitsu> I think by surface area Hokaido is 2nd in size
[07:19] <Himitsu> moslty farms
[07:19] <Himitsu> mostly
[07:19] <obany> ah
[07:19] <Himitsu> and dark
[07:19] <Himitsu> and too cold
[07:19] <Himitsu> well, gtg
[07:19] <Himitsu> cya later
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[07:20] <obany> bye
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[08:36] <obany> don't demand
[08:36] <obany> it's how you discuss
[08:37] <alex2221> why r u talking here?
[08:37] <obany> discussing, but well you well behave like a dork here .... "Nancy is a liar"  believe me
[08:37] <obany> what's your point of saying that??
[08:38] <alex2221> the "holes" in her information
[08:38] <obany> so you want more info... and who can fill those holes, weinstein oooh boy go figure
[08:39] <alex2221> not weinstein
[08:39] <obany> my idea that the pole shift will occur and that's right is not only based on zetatalk ... in the main yes, but i also have my PERSONAL reasons
[08:39] <alex2221> and the fact that some of what she's saying doesn't make sense at all
[08:40] <alex2221> i know your personal reasons believe me
[08:40] <Mr_Odd> and not only that, but goes against common logic and all known science
[08:40] <alex2221> u think that sumly too many people suffers in the world and something like that is just neccery
[08:41] <alex2221> *simply
[08:41] <obany> alex2221: doh. Yes i believe that there is suffering yes.... but that's not my main reason to take it serious
[08:41] <obany> with odd one can discuss
[08:41] <obany> but you well you are like a dork
[08:42] <alex2221> and that peole r ruing the planet
[08:42] <alex2221> u sence that thepoleshift is like a fiath
[08:43] <alex2221> that this is beon the nature or anything else
[08:43] <Jesus> w-w-w-w-word
[08:45] <alex2221> obany r u spiritual?
[08:45] <alex2221> and do u have knowledge about ufo's etc?
[08:45] <obany> i believe in things like reincarnation yes etc, so yes consider myself spiritual
[08:45] <obany> what does that have to do with this
[08:45] <obany> ?
[08:46] <obany> i have been to ufo sites, i did read about it, i did read books about it
[08:46] <alex2221> everything mistic has to do with this
[08:46] <alex2221> *mystical
[08:47] <obany> SO WHAT?
[08:47] <alex2221> do u agree?
[08:47] <Jesus> i disagree
[08:47] <alex2221> so that's why i'm asking u
[08:48] <obany> get a grip alex221, and try to behave a little or at least change your nature ... i jus don't like the way you are talking
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[08:50] <alex2221> jesus asl plz
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[08:51] <alex2221> jesus asl plz!!
[08:51] <obany> !addtimedban alex2221 360 don't demand
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[08:51] <Jesus> sorry
[08:52] <Jesus> 21/M/CA
[08:52] <Jesus> CA = california
[08:52] <Jesus> sorry canadians
[08:52] <obany> that guy is so
[08:52] <Jesus> ah you kicked him. i didn't see that before typing
[08:52] <obany> don't get a good feeling about him
[08:52] <obany> it's the way he talks etc
[08:53] <Jesus> what kind of feeling do you get?
[08:54] <obany> Jesus : not sure how to describe it... just well.. giving me the creeps
[08:55] * obany brb
[08:55] <Jesus> hmm
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[08:59] <alex2221> honey...i'm home!!! :)
[09:00] <Jesus> 21/M/California
[09:00] <Jesus> don't cause trouble though
[09:00] <alex2221> u r liying
[09:02] <Jesus> nope
[09:06] <alex2221> yep
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[09:09] <alex2221> hello
[09:12] <Dsarith> Hi obany :-)
[09:12] <Jesus> he is brb
[09:12] <alex2221> he's sbob
[09:12] <alex2221> snob
[09:13] <Dsarith> Thank you Jesus and why do you think he is a snob Alex
[09:13] <alex2221> don't distarb him ....for your own good
[09:13] <alex2221> because he is
[09:13] <Dsarith> What is your reasoning for saying that
[09:14] <alex2221> not matter
[09:14] <Mr_Odd> well he is, ironically, quite closed-minded
[09:14] <alex2221> drop it
[09:14] <Mr_Odd> i love how all these ZT peeps always talk about having an open mind
[09:14] <Mr_Odd> while they refuse to listen to facts
[09:14] <Dsarith> Ok, what do you see as facts then
[09:15] <alex2221> peace :)
[09:15] <Jesus> it takes quite a leap to swallow a prophecy of the apocalypse
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[09:15] <Mr_Odd> oh geez, do you really wanna know?
[09:15] <Mr_Odd> how about how magnetic poleshifts have occurred naturally since the planet was formed, in intervals anywhere from 50 to 500,000 years...
[09:16] <Mr_Odd> or maybe how it's simply impossible to have a celestial object have an observed "red" and "white" personas
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[09:16] <Dsarith> Yes I would like to know.
[09:16] <Dsarith> Hi t2
[09:16] <Mr_Odd> or how about how the core of our planet is likely just a very small fission reactor which would hardly have an affect on the surface if it's magnetism was interfered with...
[09:17] <Mr_Odd> or perhaps how SHE FUCKING CLAIMS SHE TALKS TO ALIENS
[09:17] <Mr_Odd> sheesh
[09:17] <Dsarith> Never use the word impossible... What makes impossibility is rules that we put on things
[09:17] <Mr_Odd> it's not exactly hard science here
[09:17] <Mr_Odd> well yes, ok, even if it's NOT impossible
[09:17] <tied2> hello Dsarith
[09:18] <Mr_Odd> this would be the first time, out of BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS of observed object, that such a phenonenon has occurred, and quite serendipitously
[09:18] <Dsarith> Mr_Odd: Again anything is possible... That is what it means to be open minded. To say something is absolute is closing your mind to the possibilities of what is possible.
[09:18] <Mr_Odd> because even if it's not impossible, it seems kinda strange how a regular ol' planet would exhibit this absurd perversion of optical science
[09:18] <Mr_Odd> i'm not doubting it's possibility
[09:19] <Mr_Odd> I'm just saying it would be a hell of a coincidence
[09:19] <Jesus> i don't get how having white and red personas mean that you're in different positions from side to side
[09:19] <Jesus> i don't see how light can jump so far
[09:19] <Jesus> because of wavelength
[09:20] <Mr_Odd> or how white is a COMBINATION of ALL colors, INCLUDING RED
[09:20] <Jesus> ha ha ha
[09:20] <Mr_Odd> and if such an effect was happening, the "white" persona would just appear as a rainbow streak
[09:21] <Dsarith> What does man really know about the universe?
[09:22] <Jesus> come on
[09:22] <Mr_Odd> we don't know shit
[09:22] <Mr_Odd> but we've made a whole lotta observations
[09:22] <Mr_Odd> and figured out what stuff USUALLY does
[09:22] <Mr_Odd> and this would be the very first time, in all of astronomy, that such a thing has been seen
[09:22] <Dsarith> Exactly, my point is all the theories of light and all that is based on a very limited knowledge when it comes to the univers
[09:22] <Mr_Odd> and even to try and work it's mechanism out in your head makes it sound crazy, just as i showed
[09:23] <Dsarith> Define Astronomy...
[09:23] <Mr_Odd> ...
[09:23] <Jesus> haha
[09:23] <Dsarith> A perspective from earth only
[09:23] <Mr_Odd> i'm not going to get in a debate of semantics with you
[09:23] <Mr_Odd> because that's clearly all you can retort with
[09:23] <Mr_Odd> because you're at a loss for words to defend your irrational logic, because there IS no defense
[09:23] <Mr_Odd> because it's IRRATIONAL
[09:24] <Jesus> mr_odd...but aliens told us so!
[09:24] <Dsarith> Mr_Odd: I am not taking an adversary role here at all
[09:24] <Mr_Odd> haha
[09:24] <Mr_Odd> it's not about adversarism
[09:24] <Dsarith> I am not even taking a position
[09:24] <Mr_Odd> it's about you talking about bullshit like the definition of astronomy
[09:24] <Mr_Odd> when that'
[09:24] <Mr_Odd> s not the topic at hand
[09:24] <Jesus> define Zoroastrianism
[09:25] <Dsarith> I am saying that to accuse someone of being closed and then turn around and hold so tightly to what you think is real or not is hypocritical.
[09:25] <Mr_Odd> i'm not holding it THAT tightly
[09:25] <Mr_Odd> obviously, since I'm HERE
[09:26] <Mr_Odd> but it's far more closed-minded to grasp onto your precious personal pet theory despite a literal MOUNTAIN of points to make its abandonment the only sane choice
[09:26] <Dsarith> Then lets start this way because I want to understand how you look at things as well
[09:26] <Dsarith> I agree with your position on that as well
[09:28] <Mr_Odd> so..
[09:28] <Dsarith> Sorry ok typing now
[09:29] <Dsarith> From the previous posts
[09:30] <Dsarith> Mr_Odd and Jesus have a more scientific approach
[09:30] <Jesus> 1sec...Jesus + Science = *POOF*
[09:31] <Mr_Odd> haha
[09:31] <Dsarith> Ok so basically proof would be what to you?
[09:31] <Dsarith> At this stage
[09:32] <Jesus> real photos
[09:32] <Mr_Odd> proof would be seeing a real image of it
[09:32] <Mr_Odd> or an actual explanation for why only nibiru shows this persona effect
[09:32] <Mr_Odd> or ACCURATE predictions of the future
[09:33] <Dsarith> So is PlanetX totally out of the question in your minds?
[09:34] <Mr_Odd> nope
[09:34] <Mr_Odd> i'm just yet to see ONE actual piece of evidence for it
[09:34] <Mr_Odd> and i've seen about 3,000 AGAINST it
[09:34] <Mr_Odd> so uhhh...
[09:34] <Mr_Odd> things aren't looking to good
[09:34] <Mr_Odd> heh
[09:34] <Dsarith> Open your mind just a bit
[09:34] <Mr_Odd> it's BEEN open
[09:35] <Mr_Odd> what would you have me hear with this open mind?
[09:35] <Mr_Odd> i'd love to hear it
[09:35] <Dsarith> Ok, like you I too have done much research, looking for some proof
[09:36] <Dsarith> Much of what I have read is on the sumarian studies
[09:37] <Dsarith> Are you familiar with it?
[09:37] <Mr_Odd> i haven't even done research
[09:37] <Mr_Odd> this is just my own knowledge
[09:37] <Mr_Odd> and yes, I am, partially
[09:37] <Mr_Odd> it all seems like happenstance coincidences strung into a wishful-thinking framework
[09:37] <Mr_Odd> any old texts can be said to say ANYTHING about ANYTHING if you're trying to make it say that
[09:38] <Dsarith> There is enough evidence in my mind to see that the sumarian knew much more about the universe than we do today... The question is why?
[09:38] <Dsarith> My understanding is not based solely on the interpretation, but the tablets themselves
[09:38] <Dsarith> I like to see to form my opinion to hear it from someone else
[09:39] <Mr_Odd> i ahven't really seen much to show that the sumerians were very advanced
[09:39] <Dsarith> If you look at the tablets I think you will form a simular opinion.
[09:39] <Mr_Odd> yes, they were decent astronomers, and yes, they made drawings that could be interpreted to look KINDA like DNA...
[09:39] <Mr_Odd> but that's not much
[09:40] <Dsarith> Well, let me rephrase...
[09:40] <Mr_Odd> the same things are true of other ancient civilizations
[09:40] <Dsarith> They seem to know more about the universe than they should
[09:40] <Dsarith> Assuming man has advanced technologically over time
[09:40] <Mr_Odd> right..
[09:41] <Dsarith> Is that right... You agree or not?
[09:41] <Dsarith> Trying to understand your perspective
[09:41] <Mr_Odd> i dont think they knew more than they "should"
[09:41] <Mr_Odd> they were comparable to other civilizations around that time
[09:43] <Dsarith> Ok, would you agree that talents of the past, pyramid building etc is a lost art... Many scientist still question how the pyramids could have been built... Would you agree with that? And I am not trying to persuade you or use words against you. No traps are intended here
[09:44] <Mr_Odd> i think some of it may be
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[09:44] <Dsarith> There you are Stanwind
[09:44] <Mr_Odd> but i also think they didn't need help from aliens to do it]
[09:44] <Dsarith> Hi
[09:44] <Stanwind> I'm back
[09:44] <Stanwind> I lost it some how
[09:44] <Dsarith> I agree with you on the idea of aliens
[09:45] <Dsarith> However, I dont think its absolutely out..
[09:45] <Dsarith> Is the idea of Aliens completly out or is it a possibility
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[09:45] * Himitsu returns (with telescope in the cold! [2h 25m 43s]) (total away time: 2h 25m 43s)
[09:45] <Mr_Odd> it's certainly POSSIBLE
[09:45] <Mr_Odd> but i think there's WAY more likely explanations
[09:45] <Mr_Odd> dozens of them.
[09:46] <Dsarith> That is correct and sound way of thinking
[09:46] <Stanwind> the conversation has me a bit lost?
[09:46] <Dsarith> Open minded gives the possibility, but doesnt mean its probable
[09:47] <Dsarith> We are discussing planetx and its possibility
[09:47] <Stanwind> Very good,  I read Velikowsi's years ago
[09:48] <Stanwind> and Sitchins' earth cronicles
[09:48] <Dsarith> I havent read on him yet
[09:48] <Dsarith> Stitchin yes
[09:48] <Dsarith> Ok, so now lets look at the issue of PlanetX
[09:49] <Mr_Odd> yes, let's
[09:49] <Stanwind> What bothers me somewhat is that the planet X is supposed to come between earth and Sun
[09:49] <Dsarith> I am not an astronomer, my work is psychology with heavy science background so when someone tells me something about the stars I have to do research
[09:50] <Mr_Odd> that's what nancy is counting on
[09:50] <Stanwind> Well, this planet X was known in the Sumerian mythology as Niburu
[09:50] <Dsarith> That is correct it suppose to cross and the axis will cause a poleshift by its gravitational pole
[09:50] <Mr_Odd> that people like myself won't tell her followers how purely illogical her astronomical dictations are
[09:50] <Dsarith> Same planet different name
[09:50] <Stanwind> and that it continuosly returns every 3,600 yrs
[09:50] <Mr_Odd> i thought it was the magnetism that did it, not the gravity?
[09:51] <Dsarith> Probably, best I can tell is a combination of forces. This part of the theory is correct in that if a planet crosses close enough to earth and has a higher density the poles can shift
[09:51] <Stanwind> I'm not so sure that the two are not interrelated?
[09:51] <Dsarith> They are
[09:52] <Jesus> this is monkey science
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[09:52] <Stanwind> The scientist dont know it all
[09:52] <Mr_Odd> except planetx DOESN'T have a higher density
[09:52] <Mr_Odd> in fact it's way lower
[09:52] <Stanwind> I understand it is third density
[09:52] <Dsarith> From what I have read, it is suppose to have a higher density
[09:53] <Stanwind> they dont have the cataclism as we do
[09:53] <Stanwind> from zetatalk they have gone tru the same technology as ours
[09:53] <Dsarith> I think. Either way the point is that it has sufficient mass and density to cause poleshifting.
[09:53] <Dsarith> Based on this theory
[09:54] <Stanwind> The idea of poleshift relates to Iceages
[09:55] <Stanwind> It has happened before many times
[09:55] <Dsarith> Most scientist would agree that if a planet with sufficient mass and density crosses to close to earth the poles would probably shift. Would you agree with that Mr_Odd
[09:55] <Mr_Odd> yes, i do
[09:55] <Dsarith> I do too
[09:56] <Mr_Odd> but even that isn't certain
[09:56] <Dsarith> That is true too
[09:56] <Mr_Odd> if the nuclear terrestrial core theory is correct, it wouldn't have much affect at all
[09:56] <Stanwind> Wait and See!
[09:56] <Mr_Odd> and it likely is..
[09:56] <Dsarith> No one knows because it cant be studied
[09:56] <Dsarith> Explain that theory
[09:56] <Stanwind> Lookup the works of Velikowski
[09:56] <Mr_Odd> hold on..
[09:56] <Dsarith> That the earth core is fluid and would flow
[09:57] <Mr_Odd> ah, but we don't know that
[09:57] <Mr_Odd> wait till i post this link
[09:57] <Mr_Odd> one moment pleasew
[09:57] <Dsarith> True, but more than likely the core is fluid.. yes?
[09:57] <Dsarith> Ok
[09:57] <Mr_Odd> nope
[09:57] <Dsarith> What does V say StanW
[09:57] <Mr_Odd> actually, under EITHER theory, it's solid crystal
[09:58] <Mr_Odd> the magma is semi-fluid
[09:58] <Mr_Odd> but that's about it.
[09:58] <Stanwind> that a comet can influence the earth
[09:58] <Dsarith> Interesting, not a geologist so I will have to do some studing :-)
[09:58] <Stanwind> just by passing close,
[09:58] <Mr_Odd> argh the discover magazine site isn't working
[09:58] <Dsarith> Cool Stan
[09:58] <Stanwind> many ancient civilizations talk about cataclism
[09:59] <Stanwind> Many have been wiped out,
[09:59] <Dsarith> Mr_ODD, I am shorting to MO if that is ok?
[09:59] <Mr_Odd> go ahead
[09:59] <Mr_Odd> i'd prefer just "odd"
[09:59] <Mr_Odd> but MO is fine
[09:59] <Stanwind> and scientist do not understand their disappearance
[09:59] <Dsarith> Oh ok its the _ that makes it harder... odd it is
[10:00] <Mr_Odd> scientists don't understand their disappearecen because they haven't collected artifacts that demonstrate it
[10:00] <Mr_Odd> that's not exactly so far-fetched
[10:00] <Mr_Odd> it's pretty hard to figure out what happened to a population from some pottery shards
[10:01] <Dsarith> What is your take odd, on the ice age... how a mammoth could be eating and freeze in its tracks? To me, something had to happen and quickly, but what?
[10:01] <Stanwind> you know about ancient cities buried in the jungles
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[10:01] <closeminded_cultslave> hi
[10:01] <Dsarith> lol
[10:01] <Dsarith> That is bad Obany
[10:02] <Stanwind> Look at greenland.. thosands of feet thik in ice
[10:02] <Stanwind> the northern part never had ice
[10:03] <Mr_Odd> so?
[10:03] <Mr_Odd> it never had any precipitation, either ;x
[10:03] <Stanwind> It belies a pole shit, the previous
[10:03] <Mr_Odd> not really..
[10:04] <Mr_Odd> there's no precip up there
[10:04] <Stanwind> located where the ice is thik
[10:04] <Dsarith> What is your perspective on the flash freezing? I too am searching the answers to the question that I have no answers too
[10:04] <Mr_Odd> so nothing to form ice
[10:04] <closeminded_cultslave> well according to mr odd i am close minded so well
[10:04] <Mr_Odd> in fact, if the poles had shifted, there WOULD be ice
[10:04] <Mr_Odd> because there would've been precip and then freezing
[10:04] <Dsarith> A pole shift can explain fast freezing
[10:04] <closeminded_cultslave> i guess this nickname suits me
[10:05] <Stanwind> Explain changing weather for iceages?
[10:05] <Mr_Odd> what's this fast freezing you're talking about?
[10:05] <Dsarith> What other theories are out there. I dont buy into polar iceberges running rampant, therefore there must be something else that happened..
[10:06] <Mr_Odd> it's not icecaps running rampant, silly, it's rpidly dropping temps causing them to grow
[10:06] <Dsarith> Scientific evidence that fast freezing occured that froze animals in their tracts
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[10:06] <Mr_Odd> can you show me a link, Ds?
[10:06] <Stanwind> pleshift explains siberia being a more temperate zone privious to the last shift
[10:07] <Dsarith> I can look one up, but I am relating the Mammoth documentary that was shown on Discovery. Interesting documentary
[10:07] <Dsarith> Flash freezing did occur
[10:07] <Dsarith> no question about it... The only question was how
[10:07] <Dsarith> What caused it
[10:08] <Mr_Odd> well i don't see how a poleshift explains it any better than a "regular" ice age
[10:08] <Stanwind> I joined this board to find out about groups being formed, for survival, anyone knows about this
[10:08] <Mr_Odd> go to #poleshiftdiscussion
[10:08] <obany> sigh, and what's causing the icage ages
[10:08] <Stanwind> What is an IceAge? but Lands moving into pole areas?
[10:09] <Mr_Odd> actually, no..
[10:09] <Mr_Odd> it's global
[10:09] <Dsarith> But the ice age theory on how it began and how the great lakes were formed does not explain how flash freezing occured. They do not go together
[10:09] <Stanwind> And Poles moving into temperate zones!
[10:09] <Mr_Odd> sheesh, at least know the first thing about the points you're raising
[10:09] <Mr_Odd> niether does a poleshift theory, Ds
[10:09] <Dsarith> Yes and no
[10:09] <obany> Mr_Odd: listen to yourself ... you listen to your self proclaimed god called science
[10:10] <Mr_Odd> uhhh
[10:10] <Mr_Odd> not really
[10:10] <Mr_Odd> i just don't see how a big planet could cause flash freezing
[10:10] <Stanwind> If you are a skeptic why are you here?
[10:10] <Mr_Odd> yes, the current model can't explain it
[10:10] <Mr_Odd> but that doesn't mean the first thing outside of that model MUST
[10:10] <Dsarith> I agree
[10:10] <Mr_Odd> because I want to prove to myself that humanity aren't just sheep
[10:10] <Mr_Odd> and i'm not being very successful ;x
[10:11] <Dsarith> lol
[10:11] <obany> Mr_Odd: only will take it serious once he will see the planet with his own eyes ...
[10:11] <Dsarith> Hearing your theories is good.
[10:11] <Mr_Odd> nope
[10:11] <Mr_Odd> i'll take it very seriously once i see ONE SINGLE solitary piece of worthwhile evidence
[10:11] <Dsarith> If you look up into the sky you wont take it seriously
[10:11] <Mr_Odd> just like the thousands i've seen AGAINST it
[10:11] <Mr_Odd> but even with that just ONE against THOUSANDS
[10:11] <Stanwind> There is such think as Parapsychology, not taken seriously by science!
[10:11] <Mr_Odd> i'll build myself a dome right now
[10:12] <Dsarith> That is a reasonable perspective Mr_Odd and actually you are further along then most people because you wont deny the possibility
[10:13] <Mr_Odd> indeed i won't
[10:13] <Mr_Odd> it would be foolish to do that
[10:13] <Stanwind> It will be serious, when seen by naked eye, as a "comet" or "dragon" whipping its tail against the earth, in ancient mythology
[10:13] <Dsarith> The possibility is there and time will prove the actuallity
[10:13] <Mr_Odd> it has a TAIL?
[10:13] <Mr_Odd> planets don't have tails
[10:13] <Mr_Odd> jesus
[10:13] <Mr_Odd> this gets crazier every minute
[10:13] <Stanwind> Moons following in a spiral fashion
[10:13] <Mr_Odd> oh of course
[10:13] <Mr_Odd> the moons
[10:14] <Mr_Odd> which somehow never orbit on alternating sides
[10:14] <Stanwind> with debris an captured asteroids
[10:14] <Mr_Odd> ...of course
[10:14] <Himitsu> yeah, nancy says px has a tail with moons swirling in its trail
[10:14] <Stanwind> Planet moving to fast!
[10:14] <Mr_Odd> but those objects would form an elliptical orbit on ALL sides of the planet
[10:14] <Mr_Odd> not just one
[10:15] <Stanwind> not elliptical as the norm
[10:15] <Mr_Odd> ok, ANY orbit
[10:15] <Mr_Odd> whatever
[10:15] <Mr_Odd> those object could not be orbit if they're on one side
[10:15] <Mr_Odd> and therefore they'd be falling into the planet
[10:15] <Mr_Odd> quite fast, too
[10:15] <Mr_Odd> of course that's making the GIANT stretch that they have somehow not fallen in already
[10:15] <Stanwind> no orbits according to  zeta talk,
[10:16] <obany> again science what you say now is baysed on science ... so ... zetatalk has a text about the swirling moons btw
[10:16] <Stanwind> There is a "repulsion force" also
[10:16] <Mr_Odd> oh of course..
[10:16] <Mr_Odd> a "repulsion force":
[10:16] <Mr_Odd> that keeps them from falling
[10:16] <Mr_Odd> holwtr
[10:16] <obany> http://www.zetatalk.com/science/s123.htm
[10:16] <Mr_Odd> $50 bucks says that part of ZT wasn't added until somebody mentioned what I just did
[10:17] <Stanwind> When visible by telescope, it will be known, if not already
[10:17] <obany> mr_odd i think you know by know that Zetatalk is based on questions and answers
[10:17] <Mr_Odd> i see
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[10:19] <obany> hello and bye i will return later
[10:19] <Stanwind> so long
[10:19] <Dsarith> odd: What does it matter if everyone is wrong about planetx and those that do not believe in it is right. In the end, both sides go their own ways. Yes?
[10:19] <Dsarith> Bye obany
[10:19] * obany is going to meditate for like 20 minuts or so
[10:19] <obany> i will return later
[10:19] <Stanwind> does anyone know about local groups forming?
[10:20] <Dsarith> Local groups are and you were in the right channel earlier
[10:20] <obany> standwind: check #poleshiftdiscussion
[10:20] <obany> bye bbl
[10:20] <Mr_Odd> yes, they do go their own ways
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[10:20] <Dsarith> Yip
[10:20] <Dsarith> she has a website devoted to this
[10:20] <Mr_Odd> but there's people buying domes and boats, stocking supplies and seeds...
[10:20] <Mr_Odd> that's just silly
[10:20] <Stanwind> Thanks Dsarith, and by for now
[10:21] <Dsarith> http://shift2003.kgmweb.com/index.php
[10:21] <Dsarith> bye
[10:21] <Himitsu> what cracks me up are the people buying stuff on credit because they think the world is ending in may
[10:21] <Mr_Odd> lol
[10:21] <Himitsu> maxing credit cards and bank loans to buy survival gear
[10:21] <Mr_Odd> hahahahha
[10:21] <Mr_Odd> see THAT'S stupid
[10:22] <Dsarith> I think a wise man understands the ramification of possibility and prepares to prepare if it shows to be evident
[10:22] <Mr_Odd> even if I believed all this..
[10:22] <Himitsu> I guess for them the world will end next year when they have to file for bankruptcy
[10:22] <Mr_Odd> i wouldn't put THAT kinda faith init
[10:22] <Himitsu> some are
[10:22] <Himitsu> I was reading it in their mailing list
[10:22] <Himitsu> what a hoot
[10:22] <Himitsu> Dsarith nothing has been shown as proof
[10:22] <Dsarith> Most of the people I have talked to have a plan, but are not acting upon it until it comes too needing to.
[10:22] <Dsarith> Some are and that is the harm
[10:23] <Himitsu> doesn't bother me
[10:23] <Himitsu> just funny is all
[10:23] <Dsarith> Does anyone trust the government to tell you that a planet is coming?
[10:23] <Himitsu> I wish I could see them shit their pants when they realise they are going to actually have to pay
[10:23] <Mr_Odd> i don't trust the government as far as i can throw it
[10:23] <Himitsu> I trust common sense
[10:23] <Mr_Odd> they're all about money and power
[10:23] <Himitsu> I trust science
[10:24] <Dsarith> Common sense it what needs to prevail
[10:24] <Himitsu> I trust my own two eyes
[10:24] <Himitsu> and I still don't see a px
[10:24] <Himitsu> or zetas
[10:24] <Dsarith> Science is trustworthy, but it does not have all the answers.
[10:24] <Himitsu> just people getting loans and maxing credit cards to buy domes and shotguns
[10:24] <Mr_Odd> indeed it doesnt, but neither does some crackpot cult leader ;xc
[10:24] <Stanwind> # poleshiftdiscussion
[10:25] <Himitsu> of course science doesn't have all the answers, but it is in search of them
[10:25] <S7L> oh well, what's the latest rap about those images, any new since Dec 14th ?
[10:25] <Himitsu> and putting your faith in channelers is foolish
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[10:26] <Dsarith> One of the most important survival skills is common sense and planning. Does it hurt to form a plan and be ready to act upon it if one believes that the facts are happening?
[10:26] <Dsarith> No
[10:26] <Mr_Odd> no
[10:26] <Mr_Odd> and i have no harsh words for those doing that
[10:26] <Mr_Odd> but some are taking it WAY farther
[10:27] <Himitsu> I have harsh words for people that put their faith in channelers and in psuedo-science
[10:27] <Dsarith> If you look up into the sky tomorrow and see a red glow and the government says its a solar anamoly what would you say.. Yes or no. For me, I will pay heed to the possibility of PX and act upon it.
[10:28] <Himitsu> go ahead
[10:28] <Mr_Odd> of course i would
[10:28] <Mr_Odd> i would even favor px as the cause
[10:28] <Mr_Odd> but that hasnt happened
[10:28] <Himitsu> and it won't
[10:28] <Dsarith> True and there is sufficient window for acting on a plan...
[10:29] <Himitsu> better you than me
[10:29] <Dsarith> I have learned never to deny the possibility, but to reason out the probability.
[10:30] <Dsarith> Here is a topic for everyone
[10:30] <Himitsu> I think that is the definition of irony
[10:30] <Dsarith> What if this does happen... Would you want to live in the after effects. That is another side. Seems to me life would really suck for a very long time
[10:31] <Himitsu> somebody saying they are going to use reason to figure out px. the same person that believes in alien abductions and channeling
[10:31] <Dsarith> Oh, I do believe the possibility of Alien Abductions and channeling are possible.
[10:32] <Himitsu> what a surprisre
[10:32] <Dsarith> I think that if a person thinks that its impossible for another race in the universe to be out there than they are just closing their eyes.
[10:33] <S7L> That's not the question, actually, whether another civilization could exist out there in space
[10:33] <Himitsu> out there yes, but running around on earth making crop circles and tearing up cows and abducting people, no
[10:33] <Mr_Odd> oh im absolutely certain there's intelligent life out htere
[10:33] <S7L> the answer is almost certainly yes. The problem is in, how would they be communicating with us, when space travel through the distances and even finding us would be a great difficulty, and current impossibility for human science
[10:33] <Himitsu> I am sure it is out there, but sometimes I wonder if it is here
[10:33] <Mr_Odd> well there's a lot science doesn't know
[10:35] <Dsarith> The question come to what would there purpose be for abduction etc. Initially would be curiosity, but now why would they abduct. I havent reasoned out that part and lowered the probability
[10:35] <Dsarith> Of current abductions that is
[10:36] <Himitsu> current abductions....riiiiiiiiiight
[10:36] <Mr_Odd> a much better question is; why do they seem to like abducting fools and poor people with a lot of potential gain from something like... say... a story about them being abducted by aliens? ;x
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[10:36] <Dsarith> Him: You are closed minded on this and thats ok. You have made the choice to be. Do you know why?
[10:36] <S7L> another problem is that people who *want* to be abducted by aliens almost certainly invent up stories that they may even partly believe
[10:37] <Dsarith> We make our choices for all kinds of reasons
[10:37] <Himitsu> I am hardly closed minded, I just use common sense
[10:37] <Himitsu> something that is sorely lacking in today's world
[10:38] <S7L> A bit like certain author noticed, alien abductions in spaceships only begun when humanity entered the space age... of course, the counterargument is that abducted people before wouldn't have recognized being in a space ship... but, it may simply be stuff that never actually occured, a fraud, for whatever motivation
[10:38] <Dsarith> Your common sense is biased. Any time you deny something out right its biased.
[10:38] <Jesus_Away> haha
[10:38] <Jesus_Away> i deny that dogs are purple
[10:38] <Himitsu> biased, in favor of science and reason
[10:38] <Himitsu> that certain author was Carl Sagan
[10:39] <Dsarith> Interesting s7L
[10:39] <Himitsu> before the space age people were abducted by angels succubi etc
[10:39] <S7L> Himitsu: yes. They believed being raped by devils; now they believe being raped by aliens
[10:39] <Himitsu> yep
[10:40] <Dsarith> Science cant explain why our own bodies do what they do, so I dont put a whole lot of stake in science. Nor does science explain some pretty unbelievable stuff.
[10:40] <Himitsu> I can tell
[10:40] <Himitsu> anybody that puts faith in a channeler and px can't have either much knowledge in or belief in science
[10:40] <Dsarith> If you can tell, then you have the answer to cure all known diseases.
[10:41] <S7L> Dsarith: knowledge comes in two parts. Firstly, knowing where an answer can be sought; and secondly, perhaps even knowing the answer.
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[10:41] <Himitsu> I'm done
[10:41] <Himitsu> no sense arguing
[10:41] <S7L> The scientific thought essentially tries to figure out an answer to the first part before answer to the second part.
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[10:42] <S7L> The body is very difficult to understand in the scientific sense because it is very, very complex.
[10:42] <S7L> if you try to explain even how one raises a finger, the explanation would probably take a book... The same problem is in trying to explain how to put light into a light bulb
[10:42] <Dsarith> True and the universe is as complex or more
[10:43] <Mr_Odd> i'd say more...
[10:43] <Mr_Odd> proly because bodies are a PART OF IT
[10:43] * Mr_Odd rolls eyes
[10:43] <Mr_Odd> sorry to be rude ;x
[10:44] <S7L> Anyway, I'm not surprised why science doesn't just have all the answers. It is impossible to know a lot. But what science can give us, is method in how to discover a truth. And it's usually a rather dispassionate method which rejects out of ordindary explanations, because mostly they are wrong
[10:44] <Dsarith> ON phone one sec
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[10:47] <Dsarith> Both well said thoughts
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[10:53] <Mr_Odd> ok
[10:53] <Mr_Odd> so if somebody offered you $500 to eat 10 pounds of nougat in a half-hour..
[10:53] <Mr_Odd> would you do it?
[10:53] <S7L> no?
[10:53] <Dsarith> 1000 yes
[10:53] <Dsarith> lol
[10:53] * JurAFK is now known as Jurian
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[10:54] <Jurian> fucking hell
[10:54] <S7L> hi Jurian d00d
[10:54] <Jurian> I hate dogs
[10:54] <S7L> survived christmas?
[10:54] <Jurian> hey!
[10:54] <Jurian> yeah
[10:54] <Jurian> some fucked up dog scared me shitless 2 hours ago
[10:54] <S7L> Me too.
[10:54] <S7L> Do like the americans do, Jurian, always carry a mean gun on you
[10:54] <Jurian> heh
[10:55] <Jurian> it was either a dog, or a wolf !
[10:55] <S7L> 'i
[10:55] <S7L> I feel tired
[10:56] <S7L> laptop on my belly which was recently filled with some random chinesish food
[10:56] <Jurian> hehe
[10:56] <S7L> the bloody geforce4 I have struggled with for months runs perfeclty well on gf's computer
[10:56] <S7L> must be some combination of hardware that's the problem
[10:57] <Know_Nazi> yeah my gf4 gives me problems sometimes, too =\
[10:57] <Jurian> hehe, gotta love those
[10:57] <S7L> The computer shuts down abruptly... power off
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[10:57] <Jurian> hej :)
[10:57] <Jurian> I'm alive :-)
[10:58] <Frank> alive and kicking?
[10:58] <Jurian> yep
[10:58] <Know_Nazi> with me i get a KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED blue screen and then it resets
[10:58] <Jurian> didn't see the bastard dog anymore, so he's probably gone :)
[10:58] <S7L> I wonder if a geforce3, or geforce4 mx would be better... That one was gf4 ti4200
[10:58] <Frank> or alive but bleeding ?
[10:58] <Know_Nazi> NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600
[10:58] <Know_Nazi> wewt.
[10:59] <Jurian> hehe
[10:59] <Jurian> nah I'm fine, dog's gone
[10:59] <S7L> Know_Nazi: mmm. Ok... I think I'll stay clear of Ti model geforces for now
[10:59] <Frank> ok, ha en bra kvall
[11:00] <Jurian> you too :)
[11:00] <Jurian> at least.. I think :)
[11:00] <Jurian> if that meant "have a good evening" :)
[11:00] <Frank> yes it did
[11:00] <Jurian> yay :)
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[11:01] <S7L> Damn! Just when I was about to say 'Moi Mukulat' to Frank
[11:02] <Jurian> hehe
[11:02] * Jurian wonders what frequency the dog's transponder was on
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[11:04] <Know_Nazi> http://export/home/discover/html/aug_02/featplanet.html
[11:04] <Know_Nazi> that's the article i mentioned WAY back
[11:04] <Know_Nazi> the site was down earlier
[11:04] <Know_Nazi> but there it is
[11:04] <Know_Nazi> for anyone interested
[11:05] <S7L> Unfortunately the url told me 'eich tee tee pee 404'
[11:06] <Know_Nazi> lol
[11:06] <Know_Nazi> it'll be back up in a bit
[11:06] <Know_Nazi> they seem to be having problems today
[11:06] <S7L> I wrote a  small webserver on christmas eve
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[11:06] <Jurian> lol
[11:07] <S7L> With perl, though... HTTP::Daemon makes the whole thing rather easily
[11:07] <Jurian> hah, cheater!
[11:08] <S7L> I was pretending to make it capable of doing CGI execution but I must agree that it got too difficult for me
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[11:09] <S7L> I mean, you don't just write "exec($filename)" and that's it. You sort of set up environment variables and prepare pipes for passing POST requests and then you parse the response from script and apply proper \cr\lf style newlines...
[11:09] <S7L> and when you finally got that bit done, you realize you forgot all about setting up the necessary environment variables. It was about then that I gave up
[11:10] <S7L> Right now I just write "apt-get install apache" and problem solved
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[11:10] <Jurian> lol
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[11:19] <S7L> I just learnt that about 70 % of women actually shit on their babies when giving birth.
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[11:19] <S7L> If you ever wondered what may have caused you such birth traumas, here's a candidate...
[11:20] <Jurian> lol
[11:20] <Jurian> head comes out, and the first thing that happens, is you get shit on
[11:20] <Jurian> nasty :)
[11:21] <Oddzilla> i shit on babies all the time
[11:21] <Oddzilla> they seem ok afterwards
[11:21] <obany> well that life starts with shit .. that idea
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[11:23] <S7L> obany: makes sort of sense, doesn't it?
[11:23] <S7L> darn
[11:24] <Oddzilla> starts off with shit, keeps going as shit
[11:24] <Oddzilla> not too surprising
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[11:40] <obany> alex2221: that's up to queenvee .. it's her channel
[11:41] <alex2221> but u have banned me!!!
[11:41] <obany> i changed a setting, but the ban was already in place but in you well got back in again
[11:41] <alex2221> no i cant even use the adventage of my dynamic ip
[11:42] <obany> well not anymore
[11:42] <alex2221> why have u done that?
[11:42] <alex2221> why did u told her?
[11:42] <obany> alex221: you know that that channel is not for the discussion wether it's wrong or right
[11:43] <obany> so you should leave that out of that channel
[11:43] <S7L> the idea is that if you disagree, then you shouldn't be here.
[11:43] <alex2221> who me?
[11:43] <S7L> Well, that's just the general idea
[11:43] <obany> S7L: i am talking about another channel here ... this channel is now for wel open debate ... etc...
[11:43] <S7L> That's why I'm not on #psd either, generally.
[11:44] <alex2221> jurian don't belive it 2
[11:44] <obany> like if you in #windows start to talk about linux and his problems ...
[11:45] <alex2221> jurian don't belive in it 2
[11:45] <obany> alex221: but Jurian knows how to behave
[11:45] <obany> that's the difference
[11:45] <alex2221> right jurian?
[11:45] <obany> there is the point of behaviour.... and how to act in a channel
[11:45] <obany> but you seem to forget that
[11:46] <S7L> actually I do talk about Linux on #Windows occasionally and I'm still well received
[11:46] <S7L> I happen to use w2k nowadays on laptop, although I gave myself a christmas present by installing Linux on it...
[11:46] <obany> yes, but if you will do that over and over again ...
[11:46] <alex2221> stop lecturing me!!!!!!!
[11:46] <obany> i am not lecturing you
[11:47] <S7L> my point being: some off-topic discussion is necessary and good, because there tends to be a *general interest* to even off-topic things
[11:47] <Himitsu> here comes the kickban
[11:47] <S7L> and here, we are of course interested in the fact whether px even exists or not
[11:47] <obany> no ... here comes the coffee wich i am going to make right now ... and then i will go to a friend
[11:47] <alex2221> and she (qv) don't !!!! how come??
[11:47] <obany> so i won't kick ban
[11:47] <Himitsu> lol
[11:48] <alex2221> can u accept that s7l??
[11:49] <alex2221> can u accept that s7l?????????????????????????????
[11:49] <Jurian> once is quite enough, thank you
[11:50] <alex2221> can u accept that jurian?????????????????????????????
[11:50] <Himitsu> ahh
[11:50] <Himitsu> now the kick ban
[11:50] <Jurian> !op Jurian
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[11:51] * alex2221 was kicked by Jurian (you annoy me)
[11:51] <Himitsu> lol
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[11:56] <S7L> I'm teaching perl sorting to that loser friend of mine
[11:56] <S7L> It's totally useless. He can just copy an idea, but not apply any
[11:56] <S7L> his problem is accessing a hash datastructure in sequence dictated by a value in some deeper level of his complex data structure
[11:57] <S7L> which is standard bread of the perldoc page of "sort" but being incapable of learning what he doesn't already know, he can't do it
[12:04] <Jurian> hehehe
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[16:30] <agentY> moonk
[16:31] <Monk> ageenty
[16:31] <agentY> waaz uup
[16:31] <Monk> nothing
[16:33] <agentY> ok
[16:34] <agentY> !users
[16:34] <agentY> good command
[16:35] <agentY> hehe
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[16:59] <strikes> hey
[16:59] <agentY> .,.,.,.
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[17:00] <strikes> bye
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[17:00] <agentY> ok
[17:00] <agentY> tata
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[21:28] <Guest> hello
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[21:35] <Guest> hello anyone there
[21:35] <Oddzilla> hi
[21:35] <Guest> is the pole shift really gonna happen
[21:35] <Oddzilla> it doesn't seem like it
[21:35] <Guest> are you sure
[21:35] <Oddzilla> nope
[21:35] <Guest> what do you think
[21:36] <Oddzilla> but the only real support it has is blind faith very similar to what's seen in organized religion
[21:36] <Guest> woa holy crap my monitor just went dim around the edges
[21:36] <Oddzilla> did you turn your speakers on?
[21:36] <Guest> no
[21:36] <Guest> it was like a burnt toasty color
[21:36] <Guest> and it was only for about half a seonc
[21:37] <Guest> im getting freaked out
[21:37] <Oddzilla> no need
[21:37] <Oddzilla> prolly just a power spike
[21:37] <Guest> probably
[21:37] <Guest> this house is old as hell
[21:38] <Guest> so wait
[21:38] <Guest> what do you think will happen
[21:38] <Guest> if nothing occurs in may
[21:38] <Guest> what will nancy and all the others say
[21:38] <Guest> "oops we were off on our calculations"
[21:38] <Oddzilla> yep
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[21:38] <Oddzilla> either that or it was a "test"
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[21:38] <Guest> doh
[21:38] <Oddzilla> either that or it was a "test"
[21:38] <Guest> what kind test
[21:39] <Oddzilla> oh i dunno
[21:39] <Guest> test of faith
[21:39] <Guest> see how many dollars i can spending
[21:39] <Oddzilla> maybe like the zetas wanted to see how we reacted
[21:39] <Guest> spend*
[21:39] <Oddzilla> haha
[21:39] <Guest> getting rocket launchers
[21:39] <Guest> and bear traps
[21:39] <Oddzilla> rocket launchers?
[21:39] <Guest> nm
[21:39] <Oddzilla> that seems a bit over the top
[21:39] <Oddzilla> heh
[21:39] <Guest> maybe
[21:39] <Guest> army surplus, where its at
[21:39] <Guest> oh shit dosen't look good for the eastern seaboard
[21:40] <Guest> or pennsylvania
[21:40] <Oddzilla> well i don't think you'll get much use out of it
[21:40] <Guest> i read some biblical thing somewhere that said all aliens are bad and they will be trapped on earth one day
[21:41] <Oddzilla> hhaha
[21:41] <Guest> problem is
[21:42] <Guest> too many people are caught up in how they are going to watch friends tommorow night, that kinda superficial bullshit
[21:42] <Guest> know what i mean
[21:42] <Oddzilla> mmhm
[21:43] <Guest> you believe you were abducted?
[21:43] <Oddzilla> HUH?
[21:43] <Oddzilla> when did i ever say that?
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[21:45] <Guest> do you think you were
[21:46] <Guest> ?????
[21:47] <Guest> huh?
[21:47] <Guest> oddzilla, hello, ?
[21:48] <Guest> figure it out
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[23:02] <haccess> http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20021227/i/1041007082.537870376.jpg   !!!!!!!!!!!!
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