Session Start: Fri Jan 10 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[02:48] <Freax> hey hey hey
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[03:38] <Alex> hi all
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[10:06] <Jesus> nice
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[11:35] * cosmic investigates
[11:43] * Jesus saves
[11:43] <Jesus> hmm. what would i do?
[11:44] <ojabun> it's on #poleshiftdiscussion
[11:44] <ojabun> they banned me
[11:44] <Jesus> QV doesn't like me so she kicks me whenever i go in there
[11:44] <ojabun> cause i have own opinion
[11:44] <ojabun> i say earth will flip,cause mankinf didn't get entlighted
[11:44] <ojabun> i get banned for that
[11:44] <Jesus> how would they have gotten enlightened?
[11:45] <cosmic> I guess you got banned for being the wrong kind of mad, ojabun
[11:46] <ojabun> i'm not in touch with the collective sphere cosmic
[11:46] <Jesus> at least obany isn't here to timeban you for saying that, cosmic. he doesn't like it when people "fight"
[11:46] <ojabun> i went basurk when i saw the collective sphere go the wrong way
[11:46] <Jesus> what is the collective sphere?
[11:47] <ojabun> so..now i stand here..with all my facts of nature,but can't translate it into collective standards
[11:47] <cosmic> write some poems ojabun
[11:47] <ojabun> maybe it best i addapt
[11:48] <ojabun> thats how i gotten real the first time...by going along
[11:48] <Jesus> why don't you explain anything? you just say things that have new age terms in them as if you're trying to start an argument
[11:48] <ojabun> by beeing compasioned
[11:49] <ojabun> if zeta is right..i still got 4 months
[11:49] <ojabun> only takes 10 min to get entlighted
[11:49] <Jesus> how?
[11:49] <Jesus> explain
[11:49] <ojabun> maybe the pressure will make me
[11:49] <ojabun> like in 96
[11:50] <Jesus> how do you get enlightened? i would very much like enlightenment.
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[11:50] <cosmic> Jesus, the first step to enlightment is to abandon all desire, including the desire for enlightenment
[11:50] <Jesus> yes
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[11:52] <ojabun> yea
[11:53] <ojabun> i like confusius better..'to stop aiming at yourself or the enviroment'
[11:53] <ojabun> just bringing out your inner gut...and adjust your mind to it
[11:54] <ojabun> i just get mad actually
[11:54] * cosmic examines his gut with some concern
[11:54] <ojabun> i get real angry
[11:54] <ojabun> cause 99% of my mind is continue busy with judgement of other ppl
[11:54] <ojabun> but they are all wrong
[11:55] <ojabun> yet i concern them
[11:55] <Jesus> who is wrong about what?
[11:55] <ojabun> so first step is to lay off all pressure
[11:56] <ojabun> and find you are right...even what you wrong about
[11:56] <ojabun> cause what you 'wrong' about...is merely an misunderstanding
[11:56] <ojabun> you can line it out
[11:57] <ojabun> and when you only line out one little thing you where stuck about...you find how it works
[11:57] <ojabun> you where never quilty in first place...you where merely stuck
[11:58] <Jesus> give us an example
[11:58] <ojabun> and than you solve the other 258 things you are stuck on
[11:58] <ojabun> though takes only few of them to set them all free
[12:02] <Dsarith> ojabun: what are you talking about
[12:02] <Dsarith> Say it in terms that can be understood
[12:22] <ojabun> easyer if you ask direct questions
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[12:22] <ojabun> you ask i answer
[12:22] <Dsarith> My understanding is that you feel you are an enlightened one
[12:25] <ojabun> i seen it,but i crashed
[12:25] <ojabun> i now carry it undernieth
[12:25] <ojabun> i can give you all the facts..but my presence is not entlighted at all
[12:26] <Dsarith> Facts of oneself
[12:26] <ojabun> i crashed on the huge differences..i wasn't prepared
[12:26] <Dsarith> That just gives you challenge to not to fail the next time
[12:27] <Dsarith> What differences did you see?
[12:28] <ojabun> the differences with truth and this world
[12:28] <ojabun> they like total oppesite
[12:28] <ojabun> excuse my grammer
[12:29] <ojabun> though i think i crashed on the weight of it
[12:29] <ojabun> of the position i got in seeing entlightment
[12:29] <ojabun> suddenly i became the entlighter..just by seeing truth
[12:30] <Dsarith> And what keeps you from achieving enlightment now. You must first see the truth to be guided by the truth
[12:30] <ojabun> heh
[12:30] <ojabun> well,any time i relax now..there an giant explosion
[12:30] <ojabun> and my neighbors take that as social misbehaviour
[12:31] <ojabun> so i cannot relax
[12:31] <ojabun> i have no room to stretch out
[12:31] <ojabun> it's quite stupid really
[12:31] <Dsarith> What do you mean by explosion
[12:31] <ojabun> and cause i fell from the top...i'm totally blocked now
[12:31] <ojabun> paranormal explosions
[12:31] <ojabun> you hear a loud bang
[12:32] <ojabun> it differns from the emotion i carry
[12:32] <Dsarith> In what way
[12:32] <ojabun> i can make my whole building tremble
[12:32] <ojabun> but i don't see where it comes from..all ic is my nieghbors getting angry
[12:33] <Dsarith> So must you be able to relax to try to achieve enlightment or can you do it now
[12:33] <ojabun> oh man....all i want is an circle of 10km without ppl around
[12:33] <ojabun> can't find it in holland
[12:34] <Dsarith> What prevents you from moving
[12:34] <ojabun> with ppl around...i'm not allowed to free myself
[12:34] <ojabun> stupidity
[12:34] <ojabun> cause i also think it real simple and i could do it anywhere
[12:34] <ojabun> and i need security also
[12:35] <Dsarith> Take a tent and train somewhere in the middle of nowhere
[12:35] <ojabun> i can make dogs bark also..for miles around
[12:35] <ojabun> i did that
[12:35] <ojabun> best i get is few hundred meters away from ppl
[12:36] <ojabun> or just ignore my nieghbors getting angree
[12:36] <Dsarith> Keep going futher on the train until you can get somewhere far away
[12:36] <ojabun> cause they insane anyway protesting against someone beeing paranormal stuck
[12:37] <ojabun> i thought of scotland
[12:37] <ojabun> they say there not much ppl there
[12:37] <ojabun> brb..making diner
[12:37] <Dsarith> By freeing yourself you also free yourself from being parnormally stuck
[12:37] <Dsarith> Scotland has miles of space
[12:39] <ojabun> yea
[12:39] <ojabun> i seen entlightment in 96 already
[12:39] <ojabun> that something is something in nothing
[12:39] <Dsarith> What does that mean "96"
[12:40] <ojabun> 1996
[12:40] <ojabun> i'm too late now
[12:40] <Dsarith> So you go by each year and gain the enlightment of that year
[12:41] <ojabun> no..it was the univicationanswer in 1996 i found
[12:41] <Dsarith> Ah
[12:41] <ojabun> at a night
[12:41] <ojabun> camping in some bushes along a waterway
[12:42] <ojabun> call it what you want,entlightment...univicationanswer
[12:42] <Dsarith> And how has that changed your life
[12:42] <ojabun> though i was only seaking justice
[12:42] <Dsarith> Justice for what?
[12:42] <ojabun> terrible
[12:43] <Dsarith> univicationanswer is truth about life. That life is not truth
[12:44] <ojabun> justice just justice...i saw the world go insane,and i found i was right...yet had no defence against world going nuts,so i seaked some backup....there must be order i thought,there must be justice....so i seaked all round till top of my mind
[12:44] <ojabun> and all reality came together...and desolved into this infinity
[12:44] <ojabun> i saw it
[12:45] <ojabun> and so found,i was right afterall
[12:45] <ojabun> and so i could go to sleep
[12:45] <Dsarith> And this is where you became stuck
[12:45] <ojabun> next day i thought what was all that last night
[12:45] <ojabun> oh yes
[12:46] <ojabun> no,i reached the top around 94-95...simply by beeing friends with self
[12:46] <Dsarith> So if you can set yourself free, you feel that you can become unstuck and be able to relax?
[12:47] <ojabun> at same time i saw the world 'end'...and so found myself in middle of it,coudn't handle that...and so crashed....than in 96 i found prove i was right
[12:47] <ojabun> so that night
[12:47] <ojabun> only the next night i tried put words to it
[12:48] <ojabun> i came with...that something is something in nothing
[12:48] <ojabun> only months later,camping at some island...i deducted it to...to be and not to be
[12:49] <ojabun> yet till today i haven't climbed it
[12:49] <Dsarith> Because of Fear?
[12:49] <ojabun> yea
[12:49] <ojabun> i have no security
[12:49] <ojabun> it's silly i know
[12:49] <ojabun> but i am in state of chock
[12:49] <Dsarith> Security is as false as everything else. The only security you need is yourself.
[12:50] <ojabun> seeing the world end...blew me away
[12:50] <ojabun> yea,and that the whole thing...i aind got myself
[12:50] <ojabun> can barely smell anything
[12:50] <Dsarith> Why is that?
[12:50] <ojabun> i see though this wall all blurry
[12:50] <ojabun> and the first year,i didn't even have fingerprints
[12:51] <ojabun> that how much i got blown away
[12:51] <ojabun> seeing the world end
[12:51] <Dsarith> What are you afraid that you will find when you look again?
[12:51] <ojabun> till today i am amazed how ppl are acting normal...eventhough all is gone
[12:52] <ojabun> it is silly...insane even
[12:52] <ojabun> but my fear is continue that i cannot relax,cause of these explosions
[12:52] <ojabun> i never get beond them
[12:53] <Dsarith> You must go out away from ppl and relax then and let what happens happen
[12:53] <ojabun> heh..i do that continue
[12:53] <ojabun> i been sleeping outside since 96
[12:53] <ojabun> haven't seen a bed since than
[12:54] <ojabun> i'm outside...than i still fear,cause there farms or houses close bye
[12:54] <ojabun> it's silly i know....but i got no control over uncounscious
[12:55] <ojabun> my way is to be secure and be allowed to see all sides...i'm not the dude that can arrange himself in the middle of action
[12:56] <ojabun> but it still silly...cause i know there an major counscious behind these explosions
[12:56] <ojabun> and i don't need to worry
[12:56] <Dsarith> Do you think the explosions will increase
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[18:26] <observer> hi people
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[23:09] <cropduster> jesus...are you a pagan?
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[23:30] <Himitsu> only in irc could you ever hear the question "jesus...are you a pagan?" hahaha
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