Session Start: Sat Jan 11 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
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[00:07] <cropduster> himitsu ...you there?
[00:09] <cropduster> Himitsu: http://home.earthlink.net/~pgwhacker/ChristianOrigins/   I'm not the only one
[00:10] <cropduster> http://www.trinicenter.com/Gilkes/2002/0304.htm
[00:11] <cropduster> or perhapes jesus was egyptian
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[00:21] <kipron> hello :)
[00:23] <kipron> I have a question about planet X - is planet X still on track for a pass by earth in May, 2003?
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[03:32] <obany> hello
[03:32] <obany> :)
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[07:28] <planetx> hi
[07:28] <planetx> is there somebody who is from USA?
[07:30] <woogles> surely someone in here is
[07:31] <planetx> :)
[07:31] <planetx> are you from Usa
[07:32] <woogles> No, I'm in Canada
[07:32] <Himits-away> close enough
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[07:32] <planetx> :)
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[07:32] <Himitsu> ;)
[07:32] <planetx> i wanted to know
[07:32] <woogles> what ?
[07:32] <planetx> wheather you are forced to go in army?:)
[07:33] <Himitsu> there is no draft in America
[07:33] <woogles> Nope, they can't pull that kind of shit in canada these days
[07:33] <planetx> so?
[07:33] <z> so is that dood from home alone
[07:33] <planetx> you are not forced?
[07:33] <Himitsu> no
[07:34] <planetx> but
[07:34] <Himitsu> no
[07:34] <planetx> i heard that USA has sent 100 000 soldiers in Iraq
[07:34] <planetx> are they forced to go
[07:34] <planetx> ?
[07:34] <Himitsu> they are volunteers
[07:35] <planetx> volunteers???????????????
[07:35] <planetx> my god
[07:35] <planetx> they will die for nothing
[07:35] <woogles> there is a rumour that the US is _considering_ reinstating the draft, but certainly not decided yet. The soldiers in the american army right now (quite a few) are there by choice, but they don't choose where they get sent
[07:35] <Himitsu> they won't die
[07:35] <woogles> They see it as dieing for their country.
[07:35] <planetx> why they wont die
[07:36] <planetx> hahahahaha
[07:36] <planetx> and their country just use them
[07:36] <woogles> what do you care? If they want to go fight for their crappy system let them
[07:36] <planetx> but
[07:37] <planetx> if it happen to be WW3
[07:37] <planetx> ?
[07:37] <planetx> then
[07:37] <woogles> So what?
[07:37] <z> So is probably that dood from home alone
[07:37] <planetx> we will go too
[07:37] <woogles> oh bigdeal, dieing ain't so bad
[07:37] <planetx> i live in Bulgaria
[07:37] <woogles> let the war begin, all these forplay is starting to piss me off
[07:37] <woogles> ^this
[07:38] <planetx> and North Korea
[07:38] <planetx> they are soooo stuped
[07:38] <woogles> why?
[07:38] <planetx> that even satan is not so stuped as they are
[07:39] <woogles> I highly doubt a fictional character has intellect
[07:39] <planetx> :)))))))))))
[07:39] <planetx> okkkkkk
[07:39] <planetx> :)
[07:39] <planetx> how old are you?
[07:39] <woogles> To damn old.
[07:39] <planetx> how old?
[07:39] <z> i guess how old is Antranik
[07:39] <planetx> :)
[07:39] <planetx> :)))))))))))))))))
[07:39] <woogles> Why does my age matter?
[07:40] <planetx> it matters,because of you considering of the things,the way you think
[07:41] <planetx> i am 17
[07:41] <woogles> I'm 20.
[07:41] <planetx> :)
[07:41] <planetx> Have you heard for Bulgaria
[07:42] <woogles> What specifically?
[07:42] <planetx> :)))))))))
[07:42] <woogles> Stop that
[07:42] <planetx> i mean simply have you heard the name?
[07:43] <planetx> because az you know most of people at this time are quite stuped
[07:43] <woogles> Yes, it's a country isn't it?
[07:43] <planetx> and they havent heard it:))))))))))
[07:43] <planetx> yes
[07:43] <planetx> do you know where
[07:43] <woogles> Can you spell stupid properly? That's a poor word for one to use without being able to spell it.
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[07:45] <planetx> re
[07:45] <planetx> \:)
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[10:10] <planetx> now
[10:11] <planetx> do you espect planetx arrival
[10:15] <planetx> wow
[10:15] <planetx> where are you?:)
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[10:56] <QueenVee>  FYI:  Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session in #poleshiftdiscussion will begin in about 90 minutes. Moderator QueenVee is currently considering questions for the agenda.
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[11:04] <Brent> Mornin all :-)
[11:09] <QueenVee>  FYI:  Nancy’s ZetaTalk Session in #poleshiftdiscussion will begin in about 90 minutes. Moderator QueenVee is currently considering questions for the agenda.
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[11:37] <Howmo> Are we having fun yet?
[11:38] <Howmo> I guess not...
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[12:35] <QueenVee>  FYI:  A ZetaTalk Session with Nancy Lieder is now in progress in #poleshiftdiscussion. To get to that channel, type the following and hit enter:  /join #poleshiftdiscussion
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[12:36] <observer> space glue???
[12:36] <obany> and this is not and let me state again not for sci.astro folks to disrupt
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[12:38] <obany> don't do that again Buddha .....
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[12:45] <observer> who are the sci.astro folks here anyway??
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[13:57] <alankila> Greetings Idon't.
[14:00] <alankila> So, the Zeta's DON'T trust NASA or JPL to publish accurate information
[14:00] <alankila> but they DO trust the US gov. to protect their trademark?  Am I the only
[14:00] <alankila> one who sees something wrong with this picture?
[14:00] <alankila> Heh, those old jewels of google
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[14:06] <alankila> <NancyL> ZetaPal, INCREASINGLY satellites failures, was the prediction, not one day
[14:06] <alankila> it all stops!
[14:07] <alankila> In other words: patience, my sons.
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[14:07] <alankila> Blast the morons who program threads improperly
[14:09] <Mr_Odd> blast all the morons who believe in the self-centered babblings of a delusional woman bent on fulfilling her lacking ego and self-esteem
[14:09] <BC> no kidding....
[14:09] <juditness> !ban Mr_Odd! lol =x
[14:09] <Mr_Odd> ;x
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[14:10] <alankila> Hello Silk
[14:10] <alankila> Seen the Jan 10 images? Full of worms and spots as usual
[14:10] <z> I haven't seen 'the', alankila
[14:10] <Silk> Hmm, seems I was booted off #Zetatalk for just being there again
[14:10] <BC> nothing new there then...
[14:10] <Silk> Hiya Alankila
[14:10] <obany> don't you read your kick message ... sigh
[14:11] <alankila> You've known me under another nick, anyway.
[14:11] <Silk> Obany, don'tr you read my name?
[14:11] <obany> it was no boot just a kick
[14:11] <Silk> it said Silk-away
[14:11] <Silk> You know what that means?
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[14:11] <obany> yes
[14:11] <Silk> So you kick me for not being here?
[14:11] <Silk> Sheesh what cowardice and paranoia
[14:12] <Mr_Odd> obany resorts to whatever tactics suit the mass delusion he is trying to uphold
[14:12] <obany> reread your kick message ...     
[14:12] <Mr_Odd> his motives prevent logical action, im afraid
[14:12] <BC> resistance to zetas is futile..
[14:12] <Silk> In other words, you kicked me so I couldn't log the chat
[14:12] <Mr_Odd> heh, exactly
[14:12] <alankila> Oh. silk, I see from your posting that you _have_.
[14:13] <Buddha> i got kicked from #poleshiftdiscussion while nancy was talking for signing on as NancyIsLying
[14:13] <Silk> heh Buddha
[14:13] <Mr_Odd> lol
[14:13] <Silk> Obany's just afraid Nancy will pop her cork if she knew I was there
[14:14] <Buddha> yeah i got an idea because i could see people logging on even when the chan was moderated
[14:14] <Mr_Odd> obany'
[14:14] <Mr_Odd> s just afraid of losing his "power" granted to him by nancy to be her personal sheriff
[14:14] <Howmo> I see I was kicked from #zetatalk too
[14:14] <Mr_Odd> it seems the whole ZT crowd is quite a petty little bunch
[14:14] <Silk> well, his time is running out. 10 weeks to go, 26 magnitudes of brightness to go
[14:14] <Howmo> I wasn't even watching it.
[14:14] <Buddha> i think spring 2003 will take away that power, odd
[14:15] <Buddha> i don't understand how a planet heading straight for us goes sideways
[14:15] <Silk> That's the new tactic Howmo, kick you while you aren't there
[14:15] <Mr_Odd> grasping onto whatever affirmations of their lives they can, whether that be having thousands of people hang on your every word like nancy, or just the power trip that comes from each !kick like obany
[14:15] <Howmo> Obany, you kick people for only observing now?
[14:15] <Buddha> the people who believe strongly WANT this to happen
[14:16] <obany> well knowing you you are not the observer type of guy
[14:16] <obany> you are the demanding type of guy
[14:16] <Howmo> Actually, I was told that Obany was no longer a moderator on this channel.
[14:16] <Howmo> Huh?
[14:16] <obany> attention grabber
[14:16] <Howmo> I demanded NOTHING.
[14:17] <Silk> Guilty by association Howmo
[14:17] <Howmo>  I simply logged on.
[14:17] <Silk> That was enough
[14:17] <Mr_Odd> HOWMO AND SILK ARE WITCHES!
[14:17] <Mr_Odd> BURN THEM!
[14:17] <Buddha> i get kicked from poleshift just because i sign on as Jesus
[14:17] <Howmo> BWAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA
[14:17] <Mr_Odd> or maybe they're just communists?
[14:17] <Howmo>  Pinkos...
[14:17] <Silk> lol, no tolerance
[14:17] <Silk> brb
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[14:18] <Howmo> What were they talking about in #zetatalk?
[14:18] <BC> generalizations again...
[14:18] <BC> husbands leaving wives etc..
[14:18] <Howmo> Are there more images?
[14:18] <BC> kinda boring...
[14:19] <alankila> Nancy is blathering on about wife and husband and preparations for shift that it takes for man to leave a woman who can't live without comforts or something
[14:19] <alankila> it's been going on for a while now
[14:19] <Mr_Odd> she's just filling up the time requirement
[14:19] <BC> husbands leaving the golf clubs and mistresses etc..
[14:19] <StevenB> And before that we were Bush bashing .
[14:20] <Howmo> How many times will they accept mag 20 noise specks as PX?
[14:20] <BC> howmo.. who knows?
[14:20] <Howmo> Are there new pics?
[14:20] <alankila> oh yeah, then we only need to cover images and paint sci.astro as place for elite lackeys and then the session is complete
[14:20] <BC> but they are the only ones taking pics...
[14:21] <Howmo> Ne need for any other pics. Havas' are telling the story.
[14:21] <Mr_Odd> god nancy sure is off on a tangent on this Q
[14:21] <alankila> the perfect images. For Nancy, they tell PX is there
[14:21] <Howmo> They are the only ones SHOWING pics.
[14:21] <Mr_Odd> she must be afraid of the questions to come
[14:21] <alankila> for opposition, they tell PX is not there
[14:21] <Buddha> join #poleshiftdiscussion
[14:21] <Buddha> everyone
[14:21] <z> everyone is devoiced when nancy is doing zt
[14:22] <Mr_Odd> forget everyone
[14:22] <z> Mr_Odd: I forgot everyone
[14:22] <Howmo> I see I am banned at #zetatalk. I never spoke one word.
[14:22] <Howmo> Buddah, now?
[14:22] <Mr_Odd> such are the tactics of a cult desperate for any shred of credibility they can muster
[14:22] <obany> well if you stay hush i will remove it .... if you don't i will simply replace it
[14:22] <Buddha> actually i can't join
[14:22] <Howmo> Huh?
[14:22] <Buddha> i'm banned
[14:23] <Howmo> Obany, I didn't say one word.
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[14:23] <alankila> seems Logitech has added an extra weight in the otherwise very nice MX-500 mouse
[14:23] <Howmo> I only began talking last week when nancy attacked me.
[14:24] <Howmo> ... and all I asked was what size scope to use. What is wrong with that question??
[14:24] <obany> i will remove your ban ... but if you get anoying i will ben you again
[14:24] <Howmo> Define "annoyuing", please.
[14:24] <obany> sigh
[14:25] <alankila> Ah... now my mouse is perfect, ultra-light high-sensing optical mouse
[14:25] <Howmo> All I did in THIS channel last week was ask you if I could ask about scope sizes and you kicked me.
[14:26] <Mr_Odd> obany,o don't bother defending your bans with rationality, as it's clear to anyone that their sole purpose is to perpetuate the lies constantly spewing forth from the mouths of nancy and those like yourself
[14:26] * Mr_Odd waits for his ban
[14:26] <Mr_Odd> it would only be proof of my claim
[14:26] <obany> well odd your ban is removed so you can get back in ...
[14:26] <alankila> Well, I think the motivation is actually a desire to protect Nancy
[14:26] <obany> and Mr_Odd shut you
[14:27] <Mr_Odd> protect her how, alan?
[14:27] <alankila> Many people like Nancy and would want the world to treat her better, I think
[14:27] <alankila> So when Nancy is being described as one with mental problems, say, then the people get pretty defensive
[14:27] <Mr_Odd> indeed
[14:27] <Howmo> Sure, but Nancy should not be protected from hard questions.
[14:27] <Mr_Odd> exactly, howmo
[14:28] <alankila> But I still maintain her every-week behaviour here is that of one who suffers from paranoia
[14:28] <Mr_Odd> personal attacks are not the only things that warrant a ban
[14:28] <Mr_Odd> rational thought and pertinant questions whose answers could weaken the ZT case are quite grounds enough
[14:28] <alankila> And since she gets pretty irritated when encountering opposition, she is protected from having to encounter opposition, because such behaviour feels uncomfortable for everyone
[14:28] <Howmo> Anybody ask about the "invisible Saturn"?
[14:29] <Mr_Odd> i did, howmo, but one of her minions merely deflected it with idiocy
[14:29] <StevenB> What about Saturn ?
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[14:29] <Silk> bak
[14:29] <alankila> Nancy even yells at me regularly and has got pretty upset many times when I've questioned her
[14:29] <Howmo> As if it was a silly question?
[14:29] <Mr_Odd> ZT claims that saturn is invisible to the naked eye
[14:29] <Mr_Odd> which is absurd
[14:29] <Howmo> And she refuses to correct it?
[14:30] <Mr_Odd> it would seem so
[14:30] <alankila> I can almost feel her anger from her words... Don't laugh but it is an amazing level of anger which I perceive directed at me
[14:30] <Mr_Odd> well yes alan, you are a threat to the self-gratifying complex she has constructed for herself
[14:30] <Howmo> For what , Alan?
[14:30] <Mr_Odd> and that is just about the most important thing in her life right now
[14:30] <alankila> Well, for instance I was being skeptical about imaging and stuff at the start of the session which you missed, and she blazed at me "where is my website and pictures"
[14:31] <alankila> so I showed her my zeta.cgi, just to annoy her.
[14:31] <alankila> She even commended me: "that's a good start".
[14:31] <Silk> lol, as if she looked
[14:31] <alankila> I said thanks.
[14:31] <alankila> I don't think she did.
[14:31] <Silk> not that fast
[14:31] <Mr_Odd> yeah, I love how she used the fact that she has a website as some kind of credibility-booster
[14:31] <Silk>  there's lots of old sci.astro threads there
[14:31] <alankila> Not many enough
[14:32] <Mr_Odd> as if websites must be true
[14:32] <alankila> I wish I could transport the entire experience I had in that small compressed set of snippets
[14:32] <alankila> But I can't
[14:32] <Silk> It does quite well the way it id Alankila
[14:32] <Silk> is*
[14:32] <alankila> I should also remove some of my ramblings from it to make it player.
[14:32] <alankila> plainer
[14:32] <alankila> not player
[14:32] <alankila> This is my oddity, confusing similar words for each other
[14:32] <Silk> I have long nails, what's your excuse? lol
[14:33] <alankila> Oh man, I just found this amazing music from my friend's ftp site. I didn't record the name of the artist properly but it's kind of quiet and atmospheric electronic music
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[14:34] <Howmo> Gawd, Nancy is plodding on about "the call".
[14:34] <alankila> Air's "10.000 Hz Legend" it is.
[14:34] <alankila> I still had it in my backbuffer
[14:34] <Silk> Air?
[14:34] <Mr_Odd> sheesh, it is BEYOND obvious that nancy is clearly drawing out her answers and using a liberal amount of zetababble "filler" so as to limit the number of questions she answers
[14:34] <alankila> Air. Well, the name of the artist. Never heard of it before.
[14:34] <Silk> Yep Mr Odd, that
[14:34] <Silk> thats been the tactic for months now
[14:34] <BC> no kidding mr odd... 25 min left...
[14:34] <Mr_Odd> air are excellent
[14:34] <BC> cut and paste slowly...
[14:35] <Silk> I'll have to look them up (Air)
[14:35] <alankila> Thank you Mr_Odd :)
[14:35] <Mr_Odd> you'll find their work most easily using soulseek
[14:35] <Mr_Odd> www.slsk.org
[14:35] <alankila> I feel amazed by the fact someone actually recognized something I might get kicks out
[14:35] <Silk> great, thanks
[14:35] <alankila> Like the music to the motion picture "all about my mother" or another name of similar effect, I had to translate it to English myself. Amazing soundtrack
[14:36] <alankila> and I told this friend on irc that hey, I saw that thing on TV and it had the most fantastic music for like a year or something, this kind of quiet, smooth jazzish stuff and background synthetic strings. Very professional and made with high taste
[14:36] <alankila> and the guy says "oh yeah I was looking for it a few months back... I think I saw a copy of it in Stockmann"
[14:37] <Silk> lol "get away to Mars"
[14:37] <alankila> And foam is frothing from my mouth, I walked past Stockmann today. Had I only known...
[14:37] <alankila> Silk: that must be her more foolish constructs
[14:37] <Silk> it's so hard to keep track of them all
[14:37] <alankila> I mean, it doesn't seem inconceiveable that a trip to Mars just isn't going to happen any time soon
[14:37] <Silk> every now and then, she reminds meof them though :)
[14:38] <alankila> hmm. Triple negation.
[14:38] <Silk> was understood though
[14:38] <alankila> What with the trip back problem, or nothing there to support life, basically, or the radiation.
[14:38] <Howmo> She has built such a massive structure of lies that it seems impossible that it is all made up.
[14:38] <Howmo> But it is...
[14:38] <alankila> I mean, all that stuff is just so incredible, and here she goes on with a plain face about it
[14:38] <Silk> Well, she's had 7 years to do it
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[14:39] <Silk> hey Zod, wb
[14:39] <Howmo> Right, silk, and new comers don' get that...
[14:39] <zod> ku
[14:39] <alankila> And this trip to mars for the whole elite. I mean, I could imagine if we, with nearly inhuman efforts, succeeded in sending some 5 guys to Mars and back
[14:39] <alankila> but the "establishment" ?
[14:39] <Silk> true, but they seem to catch on mighty quick lately
[14:40] <Silk> Yep, thousands of poeple
[14:40] <Silk> *big* shuttle :)
[14:40] <alankila> Just how large that is? I mean, doesn't this fucking thing just fall flat on its face every time you even try to figure out what she is saying
[14:40] <alankila> Still, I can't shake the feeling like there was some *truth* in this all.
[14:40] <alankila> I just can't identify any part of it, if there is.
[14:40] <Silk> That's because to Nancy, it *is* true
[14:41] <alankila> If anything, I can identify a hundred times where it is wrong
[14:41] <StevenB> What is it that you dont understand ? Alankila
[14:41] <Silk> so it comes across as true - untiil you look into it
[14:41] <Howmo> I'm really getting tired of all the time I'm spending on Nancycrap.
[14:41] <Howmo> "They" need to pay me more....
[14:41] <alankila> StevenB: anything. Start with the concept that aliens who work in the backgroun with rules of engagement in place make a glaring exception of one person who declares to be their emissary
[14:41] <Silk> I was just going to log today until Obany kicked me
[14:41] <Howmo> I got back on now...
[14:41] <Howmo> ...if I'm "good".
[14:42] <alankila> The entire concept makes me laugh when I think of it, that here we have some middle-aged woman from America who tells that she hears the voices in her head and they tell this
[14:42] <Silk> I'm logging under a different name and ISP
[14:42] <alankila> and even if I assumed, "okay, I don't mind about that" and read what they say
[14:42] <alankila> then that really gets rich
[14:42] <Howmo> I guess, I will change ID's and get away from Obany's controlling BS.
[14:42] <alankila> The Zetas don't know anything of science. This isn't just "translation errors" in part of Nancy. As they stand, the Zetas know nothing.
[14:43] <Silk> It just floors me that people believe her to the point of ruining their lives
[14:43] <Silk> I can imagine how much their lives must suck
[14:43] <Silk>  to believe in something like that
[14:43] <Mr_Odd> yeah, it's very saddening to me, too, Silk
[14:43] <alankila> I couldn't help but rolling on the floor laughing one day when I learned that the zetas don't know that water boils in vacuum
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[14:43] <Mr_Odd> HAHA, when was that alan?
[14:43] <Silk> no, really Alankila?
[14:43] <Mr_Odd> please oh please have a link for me
[14:43] <alankila> but it's just another typical problem with zetas, they don't know anything that is not within immediate human experience to that of some kind of child
[14:44] <alankila> Mr_Odd: I'll try to find the thread for you.
[14:44] <Silk> geeez, 7th grade science class
[14:44] <Howmo> Are there new images now?
[14:44] <Silk> yes
[14:44] <alankila> groups.google.com
[14:44] <Silk> m1.aol.com/deepspacegirl/jan10.html
[14:45] <alankila> type in search box: vacuum some such control zetas
[14:45] <Howmo> Do you have your daughter on them?
[14:45] <Silk> and of course the fits files
[14:45] <Howmo> Ok, thanks.
[14:45] <Silk> she already did the animated gifs
[14:45] <alankila> press enter. Select first link, by Paul Schlyter 18 Nov 1995
[14:45] <Silk> found an asteroid
[14:45] <alankila> See the bottom lines in >> indentation
[14:45] <Silk> *maybe*
[14:45] <cropduster> you guys are funny
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[14:46] <alankila> I take it mr. cropduster didn't like us.
[14:47] <Buddha> no, he thinks you're funny
[14:47] <Buddha> i think you guys are funny too, and i like you
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[14:47] <Silk> keyword search?
[14:47] <alankila> here agin talk of this starvation that occurs but doesn't occur anywhere
[14:47] <Mr_Odd> HAHA
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[14:47] <Mr_Odd> *and* she was speaking as ZT
[14:47] <Mr_Odd> oh man that's brilliant
[14:47] <alankila> Yep.
[14:47] <alankila> There were others even more hilarious, in my opinion
[14:47] <Buddha> too bad i'm still banned from that channel
[14:48] <alankila> but that is a prime example of zetas just not knowing what is not common knowledge
[14:48] <Howmo> Yes, like the Sun large at the horizon...
[14:48] <Mr_Odd> waht really gets me is how they claim the "white persona" of planet x to not only have one single location as if it were NOT a combination of all colors, but also that it's DIFFERENT from the "red persona" even though red is a component oif white
[14:48] <alankila> The whole issue about why vacuum at all is uncertain to me anyway
[14:49] <alankila> I mean, the way I figure, it doesn't make any difference. Nancy really tried a lot of this kind of random obfuscation back in 1995/1996
[14:49] <alankila> it all backfired in ridiculous ways
[14:49] <alankila> One day, she is there claiming that all rocks in space, including asteroids, should have a tail
[14:49] <alankila> the reason is the solar wind
[14:49] <Mr_Odd> oh god, did she really?
[14:50] <carlo> i came on late today is there any backtracking yet?
[14:50] <Mr_Odd> heaven help us
[14:50] <alankila> She said something like "if the wind and gravity comes from the same place, the rock will have a tail"
[14:50] <Mr_Odd> ..
[14:50] <Mr_Odd> geez
[14:50] <Howmo> Always, Carlo...
[14:50] <Buddha> hey where's the accent in "obfuscate" ?
[14:50] <alankila> Which was refuted with "so if I put a fan on ground and throw a rock over it, it will have a tail? I don't even need to test this."
[14:51] <Mr_Odd> hahahahahaha
[14:51] <Howmo> Got your new page, Sarah. Thanks. I'll look at it later. I'm going to go drink a beer and shoot some pool.
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[14:51] <Mr_Odd> ooh, speaking of beer, i have an old speckled hen in the fridge from last night i meant to drink
[14:51] <Howmo> Take over the "duties" please.
[14:51] <Mr_Odd> brb
[14:51] <Silk> cya later Howmo
[14:51] <Howmo> out.
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[14:51] <Silk>  I have to scoor soon myself
[14:51] <Silk> scoot
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[14:52] <Buddha> i can't believe how many journalists end their sentences with prepositions
[14:52] <S7L> Grr. No more mr. useless-threaded-X-application
[14:52] <Silk>  better latethan never S7
[14:52] <Silk> ahhh, I see
[14:52] <Silk> sirc?
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[14:52] <S7L> ksirc, actually.
[14:52] <S7L> Did it show on signoff, or is it notoriously poor for stability?
[14:53] <Silk> yeah it did, no  client statement tho
[14:53] <Silk> wow,nancy is heavy on the ALL CAPS today
[14:54] <S7L> It's some C++ application which seems to use threads and also has perl plugin interface
[14:54] <Silk> Perl ran great on my NT server
[14:54] <S7L> Part of KDE 3.1-rc6 which I compiled last week. Took me 6 hours of CPU time on a XP2000+
[14:54] <Silk> Never installed it on the Win 2K server
[14:54] <S7L> says something about the size of that project these days. 360 MB when done.
[14:55] <Silk> geeeeez
[14:55] <S7L> The stability issues *could* be due to me using gcc-3.2.2-rc release instead of a "stable" compiler
[14:55] <Silk> not familiar with that
[14:55] <S7L> Well, fuck me. I'll recompile once 3.1 final comes out, or lament that I used such a poor compiler and recompile if rc6 will be the final
[14:56] <Silk> I only ran Linux as a file server on my NT doamin
[14:56] <S7L> I've been in the Linuxland for like 5 years now
[14:56] <Silk> was really stable though, ran for months without a reboot
[14:56] <Mr_Odd> i'm trying to make the jump to penguin-land, but i can't get the mandrake kernel to boot
[14:56] * juditness cracks a smile
[14:56] <S7L> Mr_Odd: trying other distributions may be a simple suggestion.
[14:56] <Mr_Odd> yeah i know, but i'm lazy ;p
[14:56] * juditness cracks a smile again
[14:56] <S7L> Do not use Mandrake. The company is poised to go under, or perhaps survive much smaller
[14:56] <Mr_Odd> any recommended distros for a first-timer?
[14:57] <juditness> suse.
[14:57] <S7L> I would not recommend suse.
[14:57] <S7L> I would recommend RedHat, it's one of the most widely used distributions. A newcomer will probably find most tutorials geared for redhat linux.
[14:57] <juditness> slackware? :x
[14:57] <S7L> I prefer Debian linux, but it is not perfect, particularly not too newcomer friendly I fear.
[14:57] <Silk> I ran OpenLinux (Caldera)
[14:58] <Mr_Odd> yeah i know, debian is a bit too savvy for me right now
[14:58] <S7L> A typical successful debian install looks like crap and spouts out a hundred warning/error messages. You don't exactly get a confident picture.
[14:58] <juditness> i don't think redhat would be a good idea for a newbie
[14:58] <S7L> juditness: well, I don't know. I haven't actually used RedHat...
[14:58] <juditness> i only suggested suse
[14:58] <juditness> cuz um... the people i know that started on it
[14:58] <S7L> My first operating system was RedHat 3.0.3 which I installed on a friend's computer. I started with Slackware 3.4. Since then I spent time compiling stuff myself rather than using a distribution
[14:58] <Silk> lol, looks like Nancy is going to copy and paste rigt up to the bitter end
[14:58] <Mr_Odd> why isn't redhat good for a newb?
[14:58] <juditness> took to it really fast
[14:58] <S7L> It's only recently (in 2 years) that I merged to a distribution
[14:59] <juditness> too difficult?
[14:59] <S7L> I didn't have that much free time any more to tinker my computer
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[14:59] <S7L> juditness: RedHat is still the one which has most ready HOWTOs and guides over the web
[14:59] <S7L> That is what I maintain -- that's what you get when you are the market leader
[14:59] <Silk> Same here S7, with the kids and their PC's on the network, it's just easier to run a Win2k Domain
[15:00] <Silk> at least for me, less tinkering
[15:00] * S7L has 3 computer network at home with wireless access point
[15:00] * Mr_Odd has a WAP too :D
[15:00] <Mr_Odd> 802.11b
[15:00] <S7L> and the most complicated gateway support I've ever created
[15:00] <Mr_Odd> yay
[15:00] <S7L> There's a 3-level NAT happening so that I can access transparently my company's intranet
[15:00] <Silk> only two here, one separated by a router from the cable network
[15:00] <S7L> It's really a pile of shit but it works :-)
[15:01] <S7L> (I only hope the WiFi AP is secure)
[15:01] <juditness> S7L: i know Mr_Odd well enough to know he won't fuck with rtfm for weeks. :x
[15:01] <Silk> then a separate router on the cable modem for the main network
[15:01] * S7L would have preferred an off-the-shelf router almost, but there are no routers for Ethernet <-> HomePNA setup
[15:01] <S7L> you need a pc box
[15:01] <Silk> HomePNA?
[15:01] <S7L> This provider is fucked, as my polish friend would put it
[15:01] <Silk> Iused my Linux box as a router for a while
[15:02] <S7L> It's a strange variant of ethernet over regular phone line cabling
[15:02] <Silk> like WinPoet?
[15:02] <Mr_Odd> hmm
[15:02] <S7L> It can send packets in some 1 Mbps rate over even circular loops and doesn't mind too much about noise
[15:02] <Mr_Odd> WinPoet is crap
[15:02] <Silk> PPP over ethernet?
[15:02] <Mr_Odd> use RasPPPoE
[15:02] <S7L> I haven't seen Winpoet
[15:02] <Mr_Odd> i use PPPoE to sign on
[15:02] <S7L> No, HomePNA is a transport layer, not a protocol
[15:02] <Silk> Sure is Mr Odd - lol
[15:02] <S7L> it's the physical media
[15:02] <Silk> Ahh, I see
[15:03] <Silk> hardware
[15:03] <Mr_Odd> so it's looking like redhat would be the way to go for me?
[15:03] <S7L> Over the HomePNA connection, I run PPP. I then run another ppp connection over the ppp connection to get into my work ;p
[15:03] <S7L> Hihihi.
[15:03] <S7L> the ppp is actually transported by SSH
[15:03] <S7L> That's the point which makes me feel like a filthy sick beast
[15:03] <S7L> the reception point is my work linux box
[15:04] <S7L> It then NATs all packets to appear as if the work box was the source
[15:04] <Silk> NAT works well in a network
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[15:04] <S7L> Anyway it's not a new thing and I didn't even program the necessary scripts. A guy at work already did this and sent me his perl script hacked over Expect. It was pretty straightforward and nice.
[15:05] <Silk> geeez how nice of him
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[15:06] <Silk> hey Himitsu
[15:06] <Himitsu> hiya Silk!
[15:06] * S7L wants a 20" TFT display
[15:06] <Silk> hate o say Hi, and bye, but I have to run. Sister's birthday today
[15:06] <Himitsu> have fun!
[15:07] <S7L> Tom's harware recently published an article about Hitachi's 17" monitor that is its smaller cousin
[15:07] <Silk> me too S7 - :o)
[15:07] <S7L> cu Silk
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[15:07] <S7L> They say odd things about the monitors all the time
[15:08] <S7L> I mean, even monitors with less than admirable specifications might get huge thumbs up from them. Funny how the text and the ratings for different properties of the monitors can disagree. "This monitor doesn't get that many hammers than the others but we still recommend this one"
[15:08] <Mr_Odd>  away
[15:08] <Mr_Odd> run away
[15:08] <Mr_Odd> they wouldn't be too mad
[15:09] <Mr_Odd> I can understand why you've done this
[15:09] <Mr_Odd> but now it's become too much for you to handle
[15:09] <Mr_Odd> if you let it continue to may, their rage will be at its peak
[15:09] <Mr_Odd> if you abandon ship now, you can still move on
[15:09] <Mr_Odd> lead a normal life
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[15:10] <Mr_Odd> free these poor people who have wasted so much
[15:10] <Mr_Odd> it is the only thing you can do, as a logical and hopefully MORAL human being
[15:10] <Mr_Odd> it will hurt
[15:10] <Mr_Odd> you will have to find a new source of self-affirmation
[15:10] <Mr_Odd> but it can be done.
[15:11] <S7L> Nancy just can't read
[15:11] <S7L> she has this problem that if someone writes a complicated enough speculative sentence, Nancy sort of forgets that it was speculative
[15:11] <S7L> as if she couldn't remember that many things at once
[15:11] <Mr_Odd> heh
[15:12] <S7L> I think it is entirely possible that Nancy doesn't realize that she is distorting information
[15:12] <Mr_Odd> i think that's unlikely
[15:12] <Mr_Odd> simply because of the scale of it that this involves
[15:12] <S7L> in #ZetaTalk, she just claimed that Scotti would have said PX would be larger than saturn and at distance of saturn's orbit
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[15:18] <Mr_Odd> this has reached a point of infuriating critical mass
[15:18] <Mr_Odd> i cannot allow this to continue.
[15:19] <Mr_Odd> I have now come to the belief that nancy is an ineffable evil which must be purged from the earth or merely silenced
[15:19] <RNTHOMAS> Did anyone ask a question about stoneheng, why does it still align with summer solstice... I missed the session, had to help out a friend...
[15:19] <Mr_Odd> this has carried on for too long and with too many losses on the part of innocent people to allow it continue
[15:20] <RNTHOMAS> summer solstice sunrise...
[15:20] <[3j]> sounds serious mrodd
[15:20] <Mr_Odd> i think I will have to commit to do everything in my power to destroy this evil entity nancy has created, and restore order and rationality to the lives of those from whom she has stolen it
[15:21] <Mr_Odd> indeed, i'm done fucking around./
[15:21] <[3j]> yeah fuck that
[15:21] <[3j]> so what are you going to do first
[15:21] <Mr_Odd> the true gravity of this whole thing has only just truly hit me
[15:21] <Mr_Odd> and it's disgusting
[15:21] <Mr_Odd> i'm not entirely sure
[15:21] <Mr_Odd> but now it's no-holds-barred
[15:22] <S7L> What pushed you over the barrier?
[15:23] <Mr_Odd> just seeing her recycle the same repetitive babble in the session today, and her deliberate "misreading" of my question whichb simply INFURIATED me to no end, and then hearing about the "zetas" not knowing that water boils in a vacuum.... it's just too much
[15:23] <Mr_Odd> the camel's back has been broken.
[15:23] <Mr_Odd> she must be stopped.
[15:23] <[3j]> why bother
[15:24] <Mr_Odd> until now I came here as an amusement, but now I feel it is almost my DUTY as a moral person to dispel this evil
[15:24] <[3j]> you know her name is mentioned every night on the coast to coast show its nuts
[15:24] <juditness> um
[15:24] <juditness> i hate to burst your bubble people
[15:24] <[3j]> its like in this ad, always being repeated
[15:24] <juditness> but... you won't change the world
[15:25] <juditness> you can't make the blind see
[15:25] <juditness> you're not jesus.
[15:25] <juditness> if he existed at all.
[15:25] <Mr_Odd> i don't expect to convert them
[15:25] <Himitsu> juditness: sad but true
[15:25] <Mr_Odd> i expect to keep nancy from further infecting the world with this pestilence
[15:25] <juditness> Himitsu: we talked about this before. :)
[15:25] <Mr_Odd> their own
[15:25] <Mr_Odd> their own "conversions" will come later as a consequence
[15:26] <Mr_Odd> undoubtedly to be sheeped back into some other scene
[15:26] <Mr_Odd> but it's better than allowing this to persist.
[15:26] <Himitsu> yeah we did
[15:27] <Himitsu> no matter how much you quote logic and reason at these people, it is just easier for them to believe the rantings of nancy for some reason
[15:27] <Mr_Odd> that's why I'm through quoting logic.
[15:27] <Mr_Odd> it's time for radical action.
[15:28] <Himitsu> hmmm
[15:28] <Mr_Odd> I'm not sure just what that means yet
[15:28] <Himitsu> I don't like the sound of radical action
[15:28] <Mr_Odd> but the utter disgust i feel when I try to comprehend nancy's motives is just too much to handle
[15:31] <Mr_Odd> hmm
[15:32] <Mr_Odd> i wonder if it's even necessary, seeing as this whole thing will pretty much entirely blow over once april - may rolls around
[15:32] <Mr_Odd> but I'm trying to think of the sacrifices being made by these poor people to "prepare":
[15:32] <Himitsu> I doubt it will, I think her flock will continue to follow her after she spins it somehow
[15:33] <Mr_Odd> well if that's true than something must be done
[15:35] <Himitsu> you can't save the world Mr_Odd
[15:36] <Mr_Odd> i know.
[15:36] <Mr_Odd> but i can try, dammit
[15:36] <Mr_Odd> this seems feasible
[15:36] <Mr_Odd> at least to a degree
[15:36] <Himitsu> within bounds yes, but you can't break the law, then you are just as bad as her
[15:36] <Mr_Odd> i'm not talking about breaking the law..
[15:36] <Mr_Odd> maybe just pulling the soapbox out form under her
[15:36] <Mr_Odd> from*
[15:37] <Himitsu> well, good luck doing it
[15:37] <Mr_Odd> heh
[15:41] <Mr_Odd> hmm
[15:41] <Mr_Odd> there really isn't any way, is there?
[15:41] <Mr_Odd> this is tremendously and profoundly upsetting =\
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[16:09] <Dreamer> hello
[16:10] <Mr_Odd> hi
[16:10] <juditness> hai
[16:10] <froggy> hi
[16:10] <z> que tal, froggy
[16:11] <froggy> how is everybody?
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[16:12] <Dreamer> Hi.  I've been following the progress of ZT for some time with interest. Can anybody help me with something that's puzzling me?
[16:12] <observer> ask...
[16:13] <observer> what puzzles you, Dreamer
[16:13] <observer> ?
[16:13] <Mr_Odd> go ahead, dreamer
[16:13] <Dreamer> okay. ZT states, I believe, that Saturn is not visible to the naked eye. Is that correct?
[16:13] <S7L> Well, I read the statement from irc log but I couldn't figure out what ZT stated
[16:13] <Mr_Odd> unfortunately, it is not
[16:13] <observer> no...Saturn is visible
[16:13] <S7L> the sentence was so unclear
[16:13] <Dreamer> sorry?
[16:13] <Mr_Odd> saturn is quite visible.
[16:13] <observer> just not easily right now
[16:13] <Mr_Odd> uhhh..
[16:13] <Mr_Odd> saturn is at it's most visible in the last 300 years right now
[16:14] <Mr_Odd> the rings are at a full 27 degree tilt
[16:14] <Dreamer> I'm just trying to clarify this for myself... since I'm a bit confused about it!
[16:14] <observer> ok...haven't looked lately
[16:14] <S7L> I think Zetas said that if Saturn was taken to where PX was then it would not be visible, either. Or something. I mean, I simply couldn't pierce the rhetoric to figure out what was the statement
[16:14] <Mr_Odd> in fact it's the second brightest night sky object right now
[16:14] <Dreamer> I know. I've seen Saturn with my own eyes many times through small telescopes.
[16:14] <RNTHOMAS> Guess freedoms the first...
[16:14] <Mr_Odd> but dreamer, you should know that zetatalk is wrong about a lot of things
[16:14] <Dreamer> but I wanted to understand whether ZT was really saying that it isn't visible....
[16:14] <Mr_Odd> the "zetas" didn't even know that water boils in a vacuum
[16:15] <Mr_Odd> or that white is a combination of all colors
[16:15] <Dreamer> Seems that most of you are anti-ZT here....
[16:15] <Mr_Odd> i'm not anti-ZT, i'm pro-rationality
[16:15] <Mr_Odd> heh
[16:15] <observer> not anti...just have yet to see any backing for it
[16:15] <Mr_Odd> indeed, observer
[16:15] <Mr_Odd> there isn't a single piece of evidence supporting ZT yet
[16:15] <Mr_Odd> while there are thousands against it
[16:16] <Dreamer> But I was actually hoping that someone would be here to argue the ZT case
[16:16] <Mr_Odd> many of them completely airtight
[16:16] <Mr_Odd> well unfortunately there isn't much to argue from a ZT standpoint
[16:16] <Mr_Odd> other than "humans know practically nothing"
[16:16] <observer> nothing specific against it aside from history and probability...it would have to re-write a LOT of rules to happen
[16:17] <Mr_Odd> indeed, observer
[16:17] <observer> go to #poleshiftdiscussion...they'll be pure pro-ZT
[16:17] <Mr_Odd> planet x would have to coincidentally be the very first object ever to disobey the laws of planetary motion and optics
[16:17] <Dreamer> Okay then. So, would I be correct in assuming that ZT did NOT state that you can't see Saturn from Earth?
[16:17] <observer> but they might kick you out if you ask too much
[16:17] <froggy> i think zt is good, i just think the date is wrong
[16:18] <S7L> Dreamer: well, it doesn't even matter if they did state that. I mean, it makes no different to anyone, just adds yet one item to the big file of "things zetatalk says that isn't exaclty right"
[16:18] <observer> not that I saw, Dreamer
[16:18] <Dreamer> Oh yes, I understand perfectly all of the scientific objections to ZT, but I was interested in this specific point.
[16:18] <observer> froggy, if the date is off, then so are the effects...they all are interdependent
[16:18] <S7L> The skeptically inclined already know that zetatalk is bull, and those who are believers just brush contradictions aside, and those in-between are most likely deciding based on the imaging
[16:19] <Dreamer> froggy - did ZT state that then?
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[16:19] <Dreamer> Since it seems rather easy to ascertain that Saturn IS indeed very visible, even to the unaided eye.
[16:20] <froggy> did zt state what?
[16:20] <Mr_Odd> yes, but it's also quite easy to ascertain that water boils in a vacuum
[16:20] <Mr_Odd> or that red is a part of white
[16:20] <Dreamer> I thought it must be some misquotation of a bit of ZT I've not seen...
[16:20] <Mr_Odd> but somehow these things slip the zetas' minds
[16:20] <observer> hehe...yes, that 'red persona' thing was really over the top...:)
[16:21] <froggy> i think a lot is happening in May, but it is not planet x
[16:21] <Dreamer> Mr_Odd easier to see Saturn I think.... vacuums are hard to come by...
[16:21] <froggy> Mars will be makings its closest approach to earth in at least 50,000 years
[16:22] <froggy> maybe zt thinks that is planet x
[16:22] <Dreamer> So, froggy, did ZT state that we can't see Saturn?
[16:22] <Mr_Odd> well even not in a vacuum, water boils
[16:23] <observer> I think ZT was TRYING to say that Px wouldn't be visible til inside of Saturn's orbit
[16:23] <froggy> i'm not sure what zt stated about saturn
[16:23] <observer> by naked eye
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[16:23] <Dreamer> Yes, may well have been...it is phrased very badly sometimes. The Zetas should have chosen a more literate 'vessel'.
[16:24] <S7L> I think the obfuscation is intentional
[16:24] <Bill> Does anyone know if planet-x is still going to come on May 15th?
[16:24] <S7L> Nancy knows she's speaking garbage and attempts to speak inclearly so that whatever anyone makes of it, she can twist it to her end in the end
[16:24] <observer> hehe...maybe they had to choose one who would believe anything they said
[16:24] <Bill> or has it been changed
[16:24] <Mr_Odd> bill, it has been changed
[16:24] <Mr_Odd> apparently it's not coming at all
[16:25] <Bill> sweetness
[16:25] <Mr_Odd> didn't you hear about the sessions today?
[16:25] <observer> not this year, that's for sure
[16:25] <Dreamer> Maybe it's useful! You can always re-interpret your way out of awkward situations....
[16:25] <S7L> I've seen Nancy often obfuscating people's arguments, in order to construct strawmans. I do not know whether she does this intentionally or not. Chances are it's something semi-conscious
[16:25] <Mr_Odd> nancy admitted that she was lying about this whole thing =\
[16:25] <Bill> lol
[16:25] <Bill> that would be funny
[16:25] <obany> mr_odd get lost
[16:25] <Dreamer> I didn't see today's session.
[16:25] <observer> hehe...she won't admit anything til June...
[16:25] <obany> you are lying there
[16:25] <Dreamer> Missed it, I'm afraid.
[16:25] <Mr_Odd> indeed i am
[16:25] <Mr_Odd> but I'm making no greater crime than our good friend nancy has
[16:25] <Bill> what actually went on today?
[16:25] <Mr_Odd> in fact it's far less
[16:26] <S7L> Nancy only said that parts of her claims have been nice white lies, that's all.
[16:26] <observer> nothing much new, Bill...new obscure imaging...more junk on hybirds...
[16:26] <S7L> 100% accuracy (if you allow for white lies)
[16:26] <Bill> oh i see
[16:26] <S7L> I think the colour of lies might be a bit darker than that at times
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[16:27] <Mr_Odd> i'm quite convinced it is, S7L
[16:27] <Mr_Odd> which is truly a shame
[16:27] <observer> What's amazing is how few followers she's loosing at this late date
[16:27] <Mr_Odd> indeed
[16:28] <Mr_Odd> she's quite charasmatic though]
[16:28] <S7L> Well, I guess people hang to the end.
[16:28] <S7L> There's always been the next episode to ZetaTalk story
[16:28] <Mr_Odd> and when people are so desperate to believe her, and with such effective means of dismissing the opposition such as the kind obany here, it's not that surprising
[16:28] <observer> people just can't stand admitting it might not happen once they've said they believe
[16:28] <juditness> can you tell me one thing?
[16:28] <juditness> if you think these people are so stupid
[16:28] <juditness> and only come here to diss them
[16:28] <juditness> why bother?
[16:28] <juditness> just leave
[16:29] <Mr_Odd> well I don't come here to diss them
[16:29] <juditness> and carry on with life.
[16:29] <Mr_Odd> I'm trying to save them, i guess
[16:29] <juditness> lol.
[16:29] <observer> not stupid...just blinded and stubborn
[16:29] <Mr_Odd> as silly as it sounds
[16:29] <observer> and I'm not here to diss anyone...just to see how far it carries through
[16:29] <juditness> trying to save other people won't help you solve your own problems.
[16:30] <Mr_Odd> indeed it won't
[16:30] <Mr_Odd> but I guess I'm STO ;p
[16:30] <juditness> sto?
[16:30] <Mr_Odd> haha
[16:30] <Mr_Odd> some silly zeta term
[16:30] <juditness> i guess you'll have to elaborate me.
[16:30] <Mr_Odd> service to others
[16:30] <Mr_Odd> as opposed to service to self
[16:30] <juditness> this is not a service
[16:30] <juditness> a service is provided in need
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[16:30] <observer> Truth is always a service
[16:30] <juditness> these people don't need service.
[16:31] <Mr_Odd> judit, some of these people have spent all of their savings already on this nonsense
[16:31] <juditness> i know.
[16:31] <juditness> we all spend on different things.
[16:31] <Mr_Odd> there will undoubtedly be some suicides or worse once it becomes apparent that it's all a sham
[16:31] <juditness> i spend my money on lingerie.
[16:31] <juditness> you spend yours on... er nm.
[16:31] <froggy> i come back because i find this very interesting and i want to see what happens here next...i guess i hooked in a way
[16:31] <juditness> they spend it on trying to save up for harder days
[16:31] <observer> does the lingerie look good on you??
[16:31] <juditness> i dunno
[16:31] <juditness> does it?
[16:32] <observer> haven't seen it...if you modeled, maybe I'd know...
[16:32] <juditness> lol.
[16:32] <Mr_Odd> i need to go shortly
[16:33] <juditness> i don't do that crap.
[16:33] * juditness white lies/
[16:34] <observer> Not that the preperations will hurt that much...they may well need them in a few more years
[16:36] <Mr_Odd> i beg to differ
[16:36] <observer> But I'm going to keep wandering back here to see how long the die-hard believers will keep the faith
[16:37] <Mr_Odd> these people are spending practically ALL of their money of things like boats, new houses, SEEDS..
[16:37] <Mr_Odd> geodesic domes
[16:37] <Mr_Odd> it's horrible
[16:37] <observer> not for a pole shift, odd, but for serious man-made disruptions...
[16:38] <juditness> i think it's funny. :)
[16:38] <observer> well...if they believed Nancy, they were bound to waste the money somewhere...why not on that?
[16:38] <Mr_Odd> i think it's awful, judit
[16:38] <S7L> That domes bit particularly is funny
[16:38] <juditness> everyone has to believe in something.
[16:39] <juditness> i believe that people are stupid.
[16:39] <S7L> If you have *ever* taken a look at how hard it is to construct a dome, you'd figure out that maybe dome isn't the housing of choice for you
[16:39] <juditness> and that gives me satisfaction
[16:39] <Mr_Odd> yeah, but let them find a belief that won't cause themselves so much harm
[16:39] <observer> people sure try hard to prove you right, judit
[16:39] <juditness> they don't have to try
[16:39] <juditness> =P
[16:39] <juditness> heh
[16:39] <juditness> well
[16:39] <juditness> what's the alternative?
[16:40] <juditness> christianity?
[16:40] <observer> but they do anyway...that's what's so stupid about it...:)
[16:40] <juditness> or some shit like heaven's gate?
[16:41] <juditness> at least they'
[16:41] <juditness> aren't going to kill themselves
[16:41] <juditness> if they prove to be wrong
[16:41] <observer> not so far, it appears
[16:41] <juditness> hopefully they won't kill themselves, that is.
[16:42] <juditness> i just believe that they have a right to discuss their beliefs
[16:42] <juditness> without being disturbed
[16:42] <observer> no prob with that
[16:42] <juditness> so uhh
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[16:42] <juditness> don't try to be a saviour.
[16:42] <observer> I only 'disturm' them when my opinion is asked
[16:42] <juditness> it is not needed here.
[16:42] <observer> disturb, even...
[16:43] <juditness> i don't even disturb when i am asked. =P
[16:43] <observer> I suppose people find doubts disterbing...though I never quite understood that attitude
[16:43] <juditness> "ignorance is bliss"
[16:43] <juditness> :)
[16:44] <observer> mostly, the only disturbane I do is to status-check on how solidly they believe in their faith...
[16:45] <juditness> when i met jurian
[16:45] <juditness> he believed in all this.
[16:45] <juditness> now he doesn't, anymore.
[16:45] <juditness> =x
[16:46] <observer> ah...progress...
[16:46] <observer> what changed his mind?
[16:46] <juditness> i never tried to change his mind though
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[16:47] <juditness> i don't know
[16:48] <juditness> i never asked.
[16:48] <RNTHOMAS> I can understand ignorant is bliss...
[16:48] <juditness> i accept my friends the way they are.
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[16:49] <RNTHOMAS> Heck I could live in sin, have a blast.  Let Px come but, boom it's all over... 1 day of pain...
[16:49] <RNTHOMAS> As it stands now, I got lotsa days of pain comming...
[16:50] <RNTHOMAS> It's better ta burn out, then fad away!!!!
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[16:53] * juditness is away.. zz [mail: judit@geekychick.org] at 01:55:08
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[18:35] <agentY> ok
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[19:00] <Howmo> Any life?
[19:01] <Howmo> Oh well....
[19:01] <Howmo> On to bigger things....
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[20:56] <Hbat> hi!
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[21:41] <Guest> hi
[21:41] <Guest> ok
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[22:31] <SnookPoon> hello
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[22:34] <SnookPoon> Anybody around?
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[23:32] <dynamite> Nothin new?
[23:33] <dynamite> No?
[23:33] <dynamite> ok
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