Session Start: Mon Jan 13 00:00:00 2003
Session Ident: #Troubled_Times
[00:02] <Buddha> ahem
[00:03] <Mr_Odd> meha
[00:03] <Mr_Odd> buddha?
[00:03] <z> buddha is a golden god
[00:03] <Mr_Odd> :)
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[03:47] <obany> stop flooding juditness ;P
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[08:52] <loitus> http://hometown.aol.com/deepspacegirl/jan10.html seems px pulled a disappearing act.
[08:52] <loitus> lol
[08:52] * Buddha slaps Jesus around a bit with a large trout
[08:53] <Buddha> that'll learn ya!
[08:53] <Buddha> bad URL
[08:53] <loitus> good url
[08:53] <Buddha> Sorry, We Can't Find That Page
[08:53] <Buddha> You might try retyping the URL, or searching below.
[08:53] <loitus> Url works for me.
[08:53] <Buddha> what does it say?
[08:54] <loitus> Shows that there is absolutely nothing where PX is supposed to be. No swirl of moons, red/white persona. Truly nothing, not even noise.
[08:54] <loitus> I'm curious to see how Nancy spins this.
[08:54] <Buddha> it's a calculated inaccuracy, loitus
[08:54] <Buddha> :-)
[08:55] <loitus> Oh yes.. I forgot. Purposeful lying.
[08:55] <Buddha> the lying has proven itself to be a lie numerous times
[08:55] <Buddha> have a good day loitus
[08:55] <loitus> Word.
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[09:49] <Yodar> good day
[09:49] <Yodar> anyone here
[09:51] <woogles> hello
[09:51] <Yodar> whats up
[09:51] <woogles> not much, trying to find something at the moment, you?
[09:53] <Yodar> im gonna eat lunch...queenbitch kicked me out of poleshiftdiscussion
[09:53] <Yodar> tell her that hbat is sorry
[09:53] <Yodar> see ya later
[09:54] <woogles> tell her yourself?
[09:57] <Jesus> damn
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[10:04] <steve> hello
[10:04] <woogles> hello
[10:04] <z> privet, woogles
[10:05] <woogles> brb
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[10:22] <loitus> Holy fucking shit.
[10:23] <woogles> really? where?!
[10:23] <loitus> I just truly found Nancy's home #.
[10:23] <loitus> I found an apartment listing with her as the landlord w/ current #
[10:23] <woogles> what good is ehr home phone #?
[10:23] <loitus> Torment.
[10:23] <[3j]> z, woogles?
[10:23] <z> [3j]: bugger all, i dunno
[10:24] <woogles> you know there might be more than one nancy l..
[10:24] <loitus> I did a reverse phone search...
[10:24] <woogles> Just like there are who knows how many john smiths
[10:24] <loitus> and gues what. It came back right to her address.
[10:24] <loitus> 115 Lieder St.
[10:24] <loitus> North Freedom, WI
[10:24] <woogles> isn't that her name?
[10:24] <RNTHOMAS> That's also posted in sci.astro as well..
[10:24] <loitus> Yes, but the street does exist.
[10:25] <[3j]> her addie is online somewhere
[10:25] <loitus> This # is different than sci.astro's posting
[10:25] <loitus> It's 1 digit off.
[10:25] <[3j]> some people went to her place a while ago, from sci.astro i think
[10:25] <woogles> well anyway, she can easily charge you with harrassment if you pester her on the phone too much
[10:25] <woogles> 3j: what did they do there?
[10:25] <loitus> That was when she lived in CA
[10:26] <[3j]> they tried to cook her
[10:26] <loitus> THis is the number on her whois and as it was posted on sci.astro.. it isn't the right one, it's 1 digit off.
[10:26] <loitus> ^(608) 522-4365
[10:26] <loitus> That's the wrong #
[10:27] <loitus> She must have purposely put one digit off, to make it hard to find her.
[10:27] <loitus> It wasn't until I did the reverse lookup, then I realized I had her real #.
[10:27] <woogles> or she could have 2 numbers..
[10:27] <loitus> The other # is dead.
[10:27] <loitus> This one works.
[10:27] <woogles> I hope you actually live in her area code and are not calling long distance
[10:28] <[3j]> hehe
[10:28] <[3j]> who answers?
[10:28] <loitus> A guy did, but I hung up. I'll ask for nancy l8r
[10:28] <loitus> ^that's the posting I found
[10:28] <loitus> - the #
[10:29] <[3j]> so she lives with someone
[10:29] <loitus> I guess so.
[10:29] <[3j]> or shes is serving some dude
[10:29] <loitus> I think she lives with her sons, I've heard.
[10:29] <[3j]> on a collar and stuff
[10:29] <[3j]> oh yeah
[10:29] <loitus> I can't believe I actually stumbled on it, lol
[10:30] <[3j]> z, die
[10:30] <z> [3j]: i'm not following you...
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[10:30] * loitus fights the temptation to call nancy from work...
[10:31] <[3j]> hehe yeah fight it and wait till your home
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[10:31] <loitus> That is one ghetto cottage she's renting.
[10:31] <[3j]> you got a pic?
[10:32] <loitus> No, just from the above description. I found some satellite images of her house, but they don't reveal much.
[10:33] <[3j]> lol
[10:33] <loitus> I've been bored.
[10:33] <loitus> ;)
[10:33] <woogles> your stalkingh er? ;)
[10:33] <[3j]> i know of the satellite photo places
[10:33] <loitus> I like to try to find out personal info about people who are supposedly out of touch. I'm pretty good at it.
[10:33] <loitus> It's a boredome killer.
[10:33] <[3j]> there needs to be a better arcive of sat photos, better resolution too
[10:33] <loitus> I play PI
[10:34] <loitus> It's usually not this easy..
[10:35] <loitus> I should post her # as a phone sex line.
[10:35] <loitus> I even got her real e-mail not the zetatalk one.
[10:36] <[3j]> what is it
[10:36] <loitus> mailto:lieder@baraboo.com
[10:36] <[3j]> simple
[10:36] <loitus> Yup
[10:37] <loitus> I think I'll post a resume to be a private dick on monster.com ;)
[10:37] <woogles> why?
[10:38] <loitus> Why not.
[10:38] <woogles> the work would get very boring, people have you investigate very stupid and silly things which they themselves could figure out if they spent 5 minutes thinking about it.
[10:38] <loitus> True. Fuck it. I'll stick with IT
[10:44] <Jesus> plus this is nancy
[10:48] <loitus> Can you imagine renting a place and finding out that your landlord runs zetatalk lol
[10:49] <Yodar> funny
[10:49] <Jesus> maybe you could get her to lower the rent by claiming that you could use the extra money to mass survival equipment
[10:50] <loitus> heh
[10:50] <Jesus> nancy should start a band
[10:50] <Jesus> i'd buy their CD
[10:51] <woogles> hah "Zeta Reticulan" isn't a bad band name
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[10:52] <Jesus> with songs such as "run to the safe areas" and "dig a trench", it's destined to hit the charts
[10:52] <special_chyld> how close is plnt_x
[10:52] <special_chyld> ?
[10:52] <Jesus> it doesn't exist
[10:52] <special_chyld> but nasa said it does
[10:52] <Jesus> did they?
[10:52] <woogles> they did? when?
[10:52] <special_chyld> long time ago
[10:53] <Jesus> got a link?
[10:53] <special_chyld> no
[10:53] <woogles> nah, that was a scham
[10:53] <special_chyld> what would be the point of
[10:53] <special_chyld> releasing that movie in march
[10:53] <special_chyld> ?
[10:53] <special_chyld> hmm ?????
[10:53] <Yodar> what movie
[10:53] <woogles> people at nasa make mistakes sometimes, and every time they admit to a mistake everyone says they have a coverup
[10:53] <special_chyld> the movie
[10:53] <Jesus> THE CORE
[10:53] <z> somebody said the core was responsible for this, as the changes in patterns in the swirling core are manifested in increased volcano activity, and increased quakes as the plates, as we have recently described, are showing the SHIFT pattern now, not just a domino effect.
[10:53] <special_chyld> THE CORE, it's coming out in march
[10:53] <special_chyld> its about
[10:53] <special_chyld> how earths magnetic core stops spining
[10:54] <special_chyld> the earths stops spining too
[10:54] <special_chyld> and theres global catacylsm
[10:54] <special_chyld> everywhere
[10:54] <Yodar> its there a website for the movie?
[10:54] <Jesus> especially in uranus
[10:54] <special_chyld> storms, oceans boiling, earthquake
[10:54] <woogles> yup, hollywood likes to make money
[10:54] <special_chyld> www.thecoremovie.com
[10:54] <woogles> armageddon movies sell well
[10:54] <special_chyld> and
[10:54] <Jesus> especially now
[10:54] <special_chyld> when i saw the trail for it
[10:54] <special_chyld> at lord of the rings trailers
[10:54] <special_chyld> it said
[10:55] <special_chyld> "planet earth has a deadline of spring2003"
[10:55] <Jesus> don't say "coming in spring 2003"
[10:55] <Jesus> ah
[10:55] <special_chyld> thats what it said
[10:55] <Jesus> well then that's it
[10:55] <Yodar> cool
[10:55] <woogles> rotfl
[10:55] <Yodar> right in our face
[10:55] <woogles> read this: http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/Planet-X.htm
[10:55] <special_chyld> but think about it
[10:55] <special_chyld> www.thecoremovie.com
[10:55] <special_chyld> they been talking about global warming
[10:55] <special_chyld> im freezing my ass off
[10:55] <special_chyld> its more like global cooling down
[10:56] <special_chyld> people die from cold all over the world
[10:56] <special_chyld> and they said it was supposed to get warmer and warmer
[10:56] <special_chyld> BS
[10:56] <woogles> uh actually it is getting warmer
[10:56] <woogles> the problem is the average person (ie you) doesn't understand what global warmingmeans
[10:56] <Jesus> it's been a big time warm winter for my area
[10:56] <Jesus> ha ha
[10:56] <special_chyld> where is your area
[10:57] <special_chyld> ?
[10:57] <Jesus> southern california
[10:57] <special_chyld> it's always warm there
[10:57] <Jesus> not like this OOOOH
[10:57] <special_chyld> but you guys got those floods
[10:57] <special_chyld> and some storms
[10:57] <special_chyld> don't deny it
[10:57] <Jesus> nah man i'm here and i know what's up
[10:57] <Jesus> you're reading the news
[10:57] <Jesus> my area has been very temperate
[10:58] <special_chyld> Well
[10:58] <special_chyld> I go with PLAIN LOGIC
[10:58] <woogles> weather is cyclical, thats life. sometimes it gets bad, sometimes it gets good
[10:58] <special_chyld> if you seee a red dot in the sky
[10:58] <Jesus> ha ha
[10:58] <special_chyld> get a webcam and email me the look on ur face
[10:58] <Jesus> when this px phenomenon passed, you do the same
[10:58] <Jesus> *passes
[10:58] <woogles> I'm prepard for both situations special, are you? Will you be sane if planet x doesn't come?
[10:59] <special_chyld> i mean  you're from southern california
[10:59] <special_chyld> all the nuts live over there
[10:59] <Jesus> what?
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[10:59] <special_chyld> what could you know
[10:59] <Jesus> plenty
[10:59] <special_chyld> IF there is brainwashing to begin with
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[10:59] <Jesus> especially since i don't make rash assumptions
[10:59] <special_chyld> you're the most aplicable
[10:59] <Jesus> what kind of brainwashing?
[11:00] <special_chyld> <Jesus> it doesn't exist
[11:00] <Jesus> ah planet cx
[11:00] <special_chyld> you're the one assuming
[11:00] <Jesus> x
[11:00] <woogles> dear lord, your arguments are absolutely astonishing, I bow before your higher intellect and superior presentation of evidene.
[11:00] <Jesus> i bow as well
[11:00] <special_chyld> evidene
[11:00] <Jesus> looks like i've been bested
[11:00] <woogles> evidence, typos happen, get over it
[11:00] <special_chyld> that's what happens when a half way decent person imposes intellectuality
[11:01] <special_chyld> Ahh you lobby rats
[11:01] <Jesus> pot? kettle? black? what?
[11:01] * Jesus watches special_chyld storm out in frustration over how no one understands him
[11:01] <special_chyld> 1) if planet x is not real then what keeps you in here
[11:02] <woogles> Your coming in here and saying that a movie ad is your source of information..
[11:02] <Jesus> ha ha
[11:02] <Jesus> i'm still waiting to hear how it's real
[11:02] <special_chyld> atleast i have a source of information
[11:02] <special_chyld> Jesus
[11:02] <Jesus> i want to see this ZT phenomenon pan out
[11:02] <special_chyld> answer my question
[11:02] <Jesus> i want to see what happens with ZT
[11:02] <special_chyld> You can only be one of 2 things
[11:02] <Jesus> oh really
[11:03] <special_chyld> 1) a planetx, believer non believer, if you dont believe something keeps you here that a possiblity exists
[11:03] <special_chyld> 2) a debunker
[11:03] <special_chyld> so what's it gonna be
[11:03] <Jesus> 3) none of the above
[11:03] <woogles> I'm here for 3 reasons: 1) its pretty damn funny sometimes. 2) maybe, somehow against all odds it is real, and i'll be ready for it. 3) it turns out not to be real, and I get to laugh at all the people like you who in being so 'prepared" did not prepare for the possibility it won't come.
[11:03] <special_chyld> woogles
[11:03] <special_chyld> it clearly said JESUS
[11:03] <special_chyld> you state your opinion
[11:03] <Jesus> i like woogles' perspective
[11:03] <Jesus> my opinion is this:
[11:03] <special_chyld> nontheless
[11:04] <loitus> 3j: confirmed. It's her #. But, she's at work. lol
[11:04] <special_chyld> So there is a whole world out there to enjoy
[11:04] <special_chyld> butyou choose to be in here
[11:04] <woogles> <special_chyld> 1) if planet x is not real then what keeps you in here - you did not specify your target until later, I suggest you assume a less hostile approach if you wish to achieve anything.
[11:04] <special_chyld> and find it "amusing" how people
[11:04] <Jesus> ZT is fairly well thought-out. lots of info. i thought it was real for about a week. then the holes started to get bigger. however, i'm still interested in the phenomenon and i want to see what happens through spring.
[11:04] <special_chyld> have a reason to believe
[11:04] <Yodar> i watched the core trailer..they even mention pole shift
[11:04] <special_chyld> in a big planet
[11:05] <special_chyld> yet it has to come out in MAY
[11:05] <special_chyld> march
[11:05] <special_chyld> where in late march is when planet x
[11:05] <special_chyld> supposed to be visible
[11:05] <Jesus> i've noticed a trend...seems like people who believe in this hardcore are the people who want it to happen because they're dissatisfied with their own lives.
[11:05] <special_chyld> what's a trend
[11:05] <woogles> ok, let us say planet x is real. this movie is still solely for money making purposes, not some secret message
[11:05] <special_chyld> a trend is something thats created in southern california and everyone
[11:06] <special_chyld> in world follows it
[11:06] <Jesus> ha ha
[11:06] <special_chyld> not many people know about this
[11:06] <Jesus> case in point
[11:06] <special_chyld> I didn't say it would be a secret messege
[11:06] <special_chyld> umm
[11:06] <special_chyld> more like , misguide people like YOU
[11:07] * special_chyld pokes your forhead
[11:07] <special_chyld> YOU RIGHT THERE
[11:07] <special_chyld> into believing that this is not real,
[11:07] <woogles> which you is you?
[11:07] <Jesus> the misguided calling the misguided "misguided" ?
[11:07] <Jesus> i think he means me
[11:07] <Jesus> he doesn't like me
[11:08] <special_chyld> You Afternoon shift people are annoying
[11:08] <Jesus> you morning shift people are worse
[11:08] <Jesus> what does afternoon shift mean?
[11:08] <special_chyld> it's 2;08
[11:08] <special_chyld> here
[11:08] <woogles> Alot of these believers have never even read the counter arguments (ala exit mundi for example), and yet they claim to have a full comprehension of all the data
[11:08] <special_chyld> people that come here
[11:08] <z> people that come here are intelligent and open minded
[11:08] <special_chyld> 12:8
[11:08] <special_chyld> usally
[11:08] <Jesus> it's 11 AM here
[11:09] <special_chyld> Eastern time.
[11:09] <Jesus> 11:09 PST
[11:09] <special_chyld> Easterntime wise.
[11:09] <Jesus> why don't you tell me who i am again since i live in california and everyone in california is a carbon copy?
[11:11] <Jesus> dig it
[11:12] * special_chyld is now known as Vamp
[11:13] * Jesus is now known as J35U5
[11:13] <loitus> w00t
[11:13] <J35U5> sort of like OU812
[11:13] <Vamp> average aol user..
[11:13] * Vamp sighs
[11:14] <J35U5> aol user?
[11:14] <J35U5> i don't have an aol account at all
[11:14] <J35U5> get over it, buddy
[11:14] <Vamp> well since you responded to that
[11:14] <Vamp> YOU MUST BE
[11:14] <woogles> oi
[11:14] <Vamp> so is woogles
[11:14] <woogles> this is absurd
[11:14] <J35U5> good lord
[11:14] <J35U5> ha ha
[11:14] <Vamp> <woogles> rotfl
[11:15] <loitus> Oh having optimum online is better...
[11:15] <loitus> lol
[11:15] <woogles> I like my cable account, but I appreciate your comment. However the whole arconym movement was started by hacker script kiddies before aol even existed.
[11:16] <loitus> True, that was back in the days of Prodigy ;)
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[11:16] <Vamp> hacker script kiddies
[11:16] <Vamp> nice definitions
[11:16] <J35U5> smooth, vamp
[11:16] <Vamp> now i'm more than convinced
[11:17] <J35U5> stupidity is its own reward
[11:17] <woogles> I'm afraid your not going to ever offend me vamp, nor make me angry. I doubt you will accomplish that with anyone else in here either.
[11:17] <Vamp> Well i do get your attention
[11:17] <Vamp> You care, i see.
[11:17] <Vamp> Tooks you numerous minutes
[11:17] <Vamp> to type that in
[11:18] <J35U5> it's like a fly is buzzing in here
[11:18] <woogles> oh? Well unlike you I am engaging in other affairs at the same time, thus my response time may be a bit delayed.
[11:18] <loitus> hicksville?
[11:19] <woogles> I'm a bit confused as to why you display such an adament hatred towards those who exhibit even a slight variance in opinion or belief from your own.
[11:19] <J35U5> it's called "mindless intolerance"
[11:20] <loitus> duh woogles.. he's a fascist...
[11:20] <Vamp> <woogles> read this: http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/Planet-X.htm
[11:20] <woogles> Yes, that site is a well written presentation of the planet x debate.
[11:20] <loitus> hicksville?
[11:20] <Vamp> let's see
[11:21] <woogles> It presents one side of the argument, zetatalk presents another side.
[11:21] <Vamp> So what other arguments do you have to make
[11:21] <Vamp> other than someones homepage...
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[11:21] <J35U5> let's hear more of yours, vamp
[11:22] <J35U5> aside from movie trailers
[11:22] <Vamp> the weather here, much cooler
[11:22] <Vamp> than what it was last year
[11:22] <Vamp> and much more snow
[11:22] <Vamp> floods in europe, like never before
[11:22] <Vamp> but summer of last year was declared
[11:22] <woogles> MY own beliefs are not at issue here, I was merely suggesting that people should familiarize themselves with multiple viewpoints and then based on a series of presented hypothesis create their our belief.
[11:22] <Vamp> second hottest
[11:22] <Vamp> year
[11:23] <Vamp> 2)
[11:23] <Vamp> Bush, what he's doing now  is exactly what i
[11:23] <J35U5> with all weather data arguments, you've gotta remember that we haven't been tracking the data for more than 100 years or so
[11:23] <Vamp> forseen
[11:23] <J35U5> what is bush doing?
[11:23] <woogles> All the possible issues you can bring up _support_ the planet x hypothesis. They do not PROVE it.
[11:23] <Vamp> it's making sense to me, EVEN THOUGH SADDAM WAS PROVEN NOT TO HAVE
[11:23] <Vamp> woogles, you're annoying
[11:23] <Vamp> i'm not talking to you right now , so stop cutting in
[11:23] <Vamp> you pelican
[11:23] <J35U5> yeah, you pelican :-)
[11:24] <Vamp> ok
[11:24] <Vamp> EVEN though saddam was proven
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[11:24] <Vamp> not to have any weapons of mass destruction
[11:24] <Vamp> but U.N. inspectors
[11:24] <Vamp> bush is still sending thousands of forces
[11:24] <Vamp> over there WHAT FOR
[11:24] <J35U5> i'll tell you why
[11:24] <Vamp> to get oil before or after poleshift
[11:24] <Vamp> but sOON
[11:25] <Vamp> simply to take control over
[11:25] <Vamp> the area
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[11:25] <Vamp> IT"S MAKING SENSE TO ME
[11:25] <J35U5> because the US economy is bankrupt and its needs to turn an import to an export in order to stall its own collapse. in addition, our close ties with israel suggest that we're doing it to ensure their domination over the region
[11:25] <J35U5> does that make sense?
[11:26] <Vamp> no it doesn't
[11:26] <J35U5> why not?
[11:26] <Vamp> SO go disrupt peace in some country
[11:26] <Vamp> jsut because BUSH
[11:26] <J35U5> it's not just bush
[11:26] <Vamp> caused the economy
[11:26] <Vamp> to be at this level
[11:26] <J35U5> he didn't cause the economy to be like this
[11:26] <Vamp> he's constantly in and out on tv
[11:26] <Vamp> yes he did
[11:26] <Vamp> He induced all this terrorism THREAT
[11:26] <Vamp> idea
[11:26] <J35U5> no, it's been heading for this since the 70s
[11:26] <Vamp> Since sept 11, i have been waiting
[11:26] <Vamp> for an act of terror to happen
[11:26] <Vamp> as they said it will most definately happen
[11:26] <Vamp> it's not real
[11:26] <Vamp> now let's see what you said aboud israel
[11:27] <J35U5> yeah the war on terrorism is garbage
[11:27] <Vamp>  in addition, our close ties with israel suggest that we're doing it to ensure their domination over the region
[11:27] <J35U5> yes
[11:27] <Vamp> WHose domination over the region
[11:27] <J35U5> because by attacking iraq, the stability of the region will be compromised, causing other arab nations to fall
[11:27] <J35U5> israel's domination
[11:28] <Vamp> umm
[11:28] <Vamp> so you find that a reason
[11:28] <J35U5> i definitely do
[11:28] <Vamp> ATTACK A MAN Who seeks peace in europe
[11:28] <Vamp> and middle east
[11:28] <J35U5> do some research buddy
[11:28] <Vamp> just to ensure
[11:28] <Vamp> stability of JEWS
[11:28] <Vamp> that in bible are literally called "evil" by jesus
[11:28] <Vamp> ?
[11:28] <J35U5> it's more complex than that
[11:28] <Vamp> U.s. isonly using jews as a spy
[11:28] <J35U5> if you want to chill out for a second, i'll explain
[11:28] <Vamp> nothing more thant hat
[11:28] <Vamp> that is not the reason
[11:28] <J35U5> it's more complex than that
[11:29] <Vamp> Unlike your theory, I was expecting
[11:29] <Vamp> the situation to be like this 2 years ago
[11:29] <Vamp> Your idea, prolly evoked like 3 months ago
[11:29] <J35U5> vamp, you are not listening to me
[11:30] <J35U5> it's far more complex than the situation that you are describing
[11:30] <J35U5> you need to do a lot more research on israel, american foreign policy, zionism, and the middle east in general
[11:30] <J35U5> rather than just use this political manouvering as a basis for planet x's existence
[11:31] <Vamp> OK
[11:31] <Vamp> So one thing is happening
[11:31] <J35U5> which is?
[11:31] <Vamp> AND THE BUSH IS GOING ON TELEVISION
[11:31] <Vamp> and saying we need to DISARM
[11:31] <Vamp> SADDAM just because he may be a possible threat
[11:31] <Vamp> to american people
[11:31] <Vamp> so if what you said was true
[11:31] <Vamp> it would still be a LIE
[11:31] <J35U5> yeah that has nothing to do with this really. we'll invade whether or not there is evidence of WMDs
[11:31] <Vamp> WHich would prove that what government says is lie and does another thing
[11:31] <J35U5> it is a lie, indeed
[11:32] <Vamp> like everything else they do
[11:32] <J35U5> not everything, but a lot, yes
[11:32] <Vamp> so therefore, poleshift OIL is a credible reason too
[11:32] <J35U5> well
[11:32] <J35U5> you're forgetting that iraq is supposed to be the new south pole
[11:32] <J35U5> so that kind of nixes the oil idea
[11:32] <Vamp> yea
[11:32] <J35U5> frozen oil is hard to pump
[11:32] <Vamp> but when is the right time
[11:32] <Vamp> to get hte oil
[11:32] <Vamp> RIGHT NOW
[11:32] <woogles> Asdie from that, there won't be much need for oil postshift.
[11:32] <Vamp> before may
[11:32] <J35U5> we won't have stability enough to export before spring
[11:33] <Vamp> and saddam has billions of barells
[11:33] <Vamp> outside in stock
[11:33] <Vamp> ready
[11:33] <J35U5> which he will destroy in the event of an invasion
[11:33] <Vamp> something bush would want
[11:33] <Vamp> Hence special forces
[11:33] <Vamp> exist
[11:33] <Vamp> and covert operations
[11:34] <Vamp> that would diminish such from happening
[11:34] <J35U5> that's not really feasible
[11:34] <J35U5> otherwise we would have assassinated saddam by now
[11:34] <J35U5> it's not about WMDs or regime change, it's about US control of resources combined with weakening of arab-states for israel's gain
[11:35] <Vamp> no
[11:35] <Vamp> it's not that easy
[11:35] <J35U5> explain
[11:35] <Vamp> to just assisnate him
[11:35] <Vamp> to do that you need a reason, and excuses
[11:35] <J35U5> we have a reason
[11:35] <Vamp> for the public, so they don't create any oposition
[11:35] <Vamp> yea now we do
[11:35] <J35U5> we assassinate other people all the time
[11:35] <[3j]> theres plenty of reasons to assassinate saddam
[11:35] <Vamp> but it took a while for it
[11:35] <Vamp> and i'm not sure what the situatin with u.n. is
[11:35] <[3j]> if they can find the real saddam
[11:36] <J35U5> saddam is a parasite on the iraqi people just like the US federal gov't is a parasite on the american people
[11:36] <Vamp> well the thing was
[11:36] <Vamp> If saddam was to be proved of posession
[11:36] <Vamp> weapons of mass
[11:36] <J35U5> yeah
[11:36] <Vamp> destruction, then u.s. would attack
[11:36] <J35U5> not necessarily
[11:36] <Vamp> But he wasn't, bush is still sending
[11:36] <Vamp> FORCES
[11:37] <Vamp> i realized that everytime, something advantegous comes up for saddam
[11:37] <J35U5> yeah because the war is inevitable
[11:37] <Vamp> something to show he is making progress towards peace, like the inspectors analysis and results
[11:37] <Vamp> BUSH is taking a STEP against him
[11:37] <J35U5> yeah expect a terror attack in the US that will be blamed on iraq so that we can fire up the war and divert blame for the economy
[11:37] <[3j]> there both taking steps to make it look like it is
[11:37] <woogles> Bush is his fathers bitch, his father is telling him to finish off what he himself could not.
[11:37] <[3j]> saddam is just playing the whole press thing
[11:38] <Vamp> Well i believe
[11:38] <Vamp> the election was fixed because
[11:38] <Vamp> jebb
[11:38] <J35U5> definitely
[11:38] <[3j]> lol
[11:38] <J35U5> election fixing was rampant in 2002
[11:38] <Vamp> Everytime a republican president is in office
[11:38] <Vamp> we have wars, alien controversey, problems, economic disasters
[11:38] <[3j]> thats a good theorie but hardly no proof, vs gore who has more fishy stuff involving him and the 2002 elections than a brother conspiracy thing
[11:39] <Vamp> Regan, Nixon,Roosevelt,old BUSH
[11:39] <J35U5> there is proof for the election fixing in a number of places
[11:39] <[3j]> clinton was 8 years into an economic disaster
[11:39] <J35U5> clinton used enron-style accounting to create the appearance of a stable economy
[11:39] <[3j]> did you see al gore or his friends going around in the street yelping about conservation? nope, they were out there pushing more and more sales of huge gas eating suvs
[11:40] <[3j]> now see where we at now? even more dependant on the middle east
[11:40] <[3j]> its all gore's fault
[11:40] <J35U5> well not all gore's fault
[11:40] <J35U5> there are lots of pieces in the puzzle
[11:40] <[3j]> yeah
[11:40] <Vamp> we don't need to touch
[11:40] <Vamp> middle east.
[11:40] <J35U5> big business is giant problem
[11:40] <[3j]> its everyone up there, no one really cares about the people
[11:40] <Vamp> BInladin was not found
[11:41] <Vamp> and bush chose
[11:41] <Vamp> SADDAM to blame
[11:41] <J35U5> exactly. the agena of the american fed gov't is very different from the agenda of the american people
[11:41] <Vamp> I'm scared that binLaden is gonna drop a bomb on me,
[11:41] <Vamp> why arent they looking for him..
[11:41] <[3j]> they are
[11:41] <J35U5> bin laden was created by the CIA in order to drive the soviets out of afghanistan
[11:41] <woogles> chances are binladen is dead. That doesn't mean his group won't bomb you of course.
[11:41] <Vamp> why haven't they found him..
[11:41] <[3j]> i just dont the cia needs to tell everyone exactly what there doing at all times
[11:41] <[3j]> hes a tough guy to find, but they will
[11:42] <Vamp> no they won't
[11:42] <[3j]> they found shitloads of other top al quaeda people
[11:42] <J35U5> no
[11:42] <Vamp> first off, if you're talking about
[11:42] <Vamp> CIA
[11:42] <woogles> You do realize they bombed alot, "hey sir we found this pile of ash, we think it might be bin laden, but it could just be an old box..."
[11:42] <J35U5> the highest al-qaeda person they found is the equivalent to ari fleischer
[11:42] <Vamp> they need to release the information
[11:42] <Vamp> they are supressesing from people
[11:42] <Vamp> about the arc of noah that was found in late 80s
[11:43] <Vamp> and analyzed, by turkey scientists.
[11:43] <Vamp> then hmmm, they should unveil
[11:43] <Vamp> the whole STAR GATE program
[11:43] <woogles> the arc of noah was found? do you have a link to that story?
[11:43] <Vamp> yea
[11:43] <[3j]> yeah woogles, its possible hes dead
[11:43] <Vamp> theres like pictures of it
[11:43] <J35U5> pole shift isn't an unlikely possibility, but PX's involvement and the 2003 date are suspect
[11:43] <Vamp> on the same mountian that it said it landed on
[11:43] <Vamp> in bible
[11:43] <Vamp> mount ararat
[11:43] <Vamp> they found like stuff from it
[11:43] <Vamp> they carbon dated it
[11:44] <Vamp> everything fits in right
[11:44] <J35U5> who carbon dated it?
[11:44] <Vamp> scientists
[11:44] <J35U5> were they trying to prove the bible or find the truth?
[11:44] <Vamp> from turkey
[11:44] <J35U5> which scientists?
[11:44] <Vamp> not them , but
[11:44] <[3j]> theres lots of people who say it is and others who say its not
[11:44] <Vamp> religious groups
[11:44] <J35U5> could they have been influenced?
[11:44] <woogles> wouldn't the wood be petrified or gone?
[11:44] <[3j]> but remember that ararat can mean that mountain in particular, or the large range of mountains in western iran
[11:44] <Vamp> Well, the pictures are there
[11:44] <J35U5> it's like the studies that say that drinking all the time will improve your heart's function
[11:44] <Vamp> they are standing around it
[11:44] <Vamp> no
[11:44] <Vamp> It's in Turkey
[11:45] <Vamp> believe me you know nothnig about this
[11:45] <J35U5> ha ha
[11:45] <Vamp> it's tottally supressed
[11:45] <J35U5> ok time for lunch
[11:45] <Vamp> I couldn't believe that so much information is hidden
[11:45] <Vamp> now the whole STAR GATE program
[11:45] <Yodar> you have no idea how much secret knowledge the govt has
[11:45] <[3j]> who doesnt know anything about the noah ark?
[11:45] <Vamp> all of you
[11:45] <woogles> For once I agree with you, alot is hidden. I may not agree about what is hidden, but alot is.
[11:45] <Vamp> you know what it is, and what happend
[11:46] <Vamp> but you don't know that it was found
[11:46] <Vamp> and researched
[11:46] <[3j]> noah's ark?
[11:46] <Vamp> yea
[11:46] <[3j]> of course i did
[11:46] <Vamp> well
[11:46] <woogles> Actually I heard that they found something that could be it back in..1996 i think, but then dismissed it.
[11:46] <Vamp> What do you know about it
[11:46] <Vamp> well
[11:46] <[3j]> the first official find of it was by a russian pilot around 1920
[11:46] <Vamp> the only thing they said in united states
[11:46] <Vamp> was that they found it
[11:46] <Vamp> from satelite imagery
[11:46] <Vamp> and said it could be that
[11:46] <[3j]> thats where all the govt involvement in it started from
[11:47] <Vamp> besides that
[11:47] <Vamp> the same archeologists
[11:47] <Vamp> found were the red see crossing happend
[11:47] <woogles> sec going to read up on the star gate program, I'm not familiar with it.
[11:47] <Yodar> they dont want to tell us if its found because of the religious implications
[11:47] <Vamp> have the exact path where the sea was
[11:47] <Vamp> and were the aliens made the path
[11:47] <Vamp> for moses
[11:47] <Vamp> i'l get you a link to that, i'l have to look for it
[11:47] <[3j]> well thats your ideas on it
[11:47] <Vamp> but its got pictures of it
[11:47] <Vamp> no
[11:48] <Vamp> another thing
[11:48] <woogles> controlled remote viewing?
[11:48] <Vamp> yea
[11:48] <Vamp> they say
[11:48] <Vamp> this program doesn't exists and shit
[11:48] <woogles> ah ok, I thought that program was called something else.
[11:48] <Vamp> but you can send a letter to CIA
[11:48] <Vamp> requesting information
[11:48] <[3j]> but the CIA released the info about it a few years ago
[11:48] <Vamp> yea but its non official
[11:48] <[3j]> yes it was, just lots of blacked out lines
[11:48] <Vamp> under the freedom
[11:48] <woogles> hte official information is largely blaked out
[11:49] <Vamp> of information act
[11:49] <woogles> oi official, blacked^
[11:49] <Vamp> they relased it
[11:49] <Vamp> but you can send em a letter
[11:49] <Vamp> requestion information about it
[11:49] <Vamp> you pay 30 bucks and they send you
[11:49] <Vamp> pretty much everything they know
[11:49] <Vamp> i learned a lot from it
[11:49] <Vamp> i've done it
[11:49] <woogles> worth the $30?
[11:49] <Vamp> yea
[11:50] <Vamp> but you could get same information
[11:50] <Vamp> on internet
[11:50] <Vamp> the "spiritual-psychic" groups have way more information
[11:50] <Vamp> government is only using science to explain it
[11:50] <Vamp> but no one has the real explanation, just theories
[11:50] <Vamp> but yea you can learn to actually
[11:50] <Vamp> TRAVEL OUT OF YOUR BODY
[11:51] <Vamp> ...
[11:52] <[3j]> okay i'm back
[11:52] <Vamp> ok i'm a go to look for arc link now
[11:52] <[3j]> i had to travel out of my body like vamp said
[11:52] <Yodar> i sent my spirit out to get beer
[11:52] <Vamp> I hope you dont' find funny what i said
[11:53] <Yodar> i dont
[11:53] <Vamp> because then i'l just consider you a mindless
[11:53] <Vamp> skeptic
[11:53] <Yodar> monroe institute in va. teaches how to go out of the body..its very well known
[11:53] <Vamp> http://www.detailshere.com/images/N-Ark-visitors.jpg
[11:53] <woogles> obeing is easy
[11:53] <Vamp> thats a good pic of the NOAHS ARC
[11:53] <Yodar> ark
[11:54] <Vamp> http://www.detailshere.com/images/N-ark-wood.jpg
[11:54] <Vamp> this is too
[11:54] <Vamp> http://www.wyattmuseum.com/noahs-ark-07.htm   
[11:54] <Vamp> February 1987
[11:54] <Vamp>  
[11:54] <Vamp> Ron  meets with the Governor of the Agri District, Mr. Sevket Ekinci. The December 1986 decision was positive - it was the official decision of members of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, of Internal Affairs, and researchers from Ataturk University, among others, that the "boat-shaped formation" did indeed contain the remains of Noah's Ark!   
[11:55] <Vamp> Plans were made for the official dedication of the site, which would include Ron as guest of honor as the "discoverer" of the fact that it was truly the remains of Noah's ArkPlans were made for the official dedication of the site, which would include Ron as guest of honor as the "discoverer" of the fact that it was truly the remains of Noah's Ark
[11:55] <woogles> I'm quite a photo critic, give me a minute and I'll see if I can find problems with them. Though I suspect you won't want to hear it if i do.
[11:55] <Vamp> yea that's something i thought you would do
[11:55] <Vamp> You just can't accept it yet
[11:55] <Vamp> here's a deck
[11:55] <Vamp> http://www.wyattmuseum.com/images/wpe14.jpg
[11:56] <Vamp> this is where the red sea crossing happend
[11:56] <Vamp> http://www.wyattmuseum.com/images/wpe99.jpg
[11:56] <Vamp> you know like when moses freed jews and crossed the sea...
[11:56] <Vamp> as you look in there you see a patth made through rocks
[11:56] <Vamp> the one aliens made for him, which back then were considered
[11:56] <Vamp> as GODS!
[11:57] <woogles> it isn't about accepting, I acknowledge that _some_ of the bible and the various interpretations there of may be based on actual history.
[11:57] <Yodar> maybe the pole shift was the cause
[11:57] <Vamp> OFCOURSE IT WAS
[11:57] <Yodar> what do aliens give a shit about moses
[11:57] <Vamp> the aliens warned MOSES
[11:57] <Vamp> about poleshift
[11:57] <Vamp> why do zeta aliens
[11:57] <Vamp> give shit about US
[11:57] <Vamp> ?
[11:57] <[3j]> its not 100% certain that the crossing even was at the red sea vamp
[11:58] <Mr_Odd> it's not 100% certain that it ever happened at ALL
[11:58] <Vamp> well you can be critical about that
[11:58] <Vamp> it's not a good evidence
[11:58] <Mr_Odd> the word "evidence" has no meaning coming from a mouth such as yours
[11:58] <[3j]> well assuming it did happen, many theologist debate where the crossing was, there is no set place
[11:58] <Mr_Odd> you give no priority to "
[11:58] <Mr_Odd> evidence"
[11:58] <Vamp> I got so much INFO that nancy couldnt' get even if she had a personal genie :D
[11:59] <[3j]> maybe you read and believe to much stuff thats on a webpages
[11:59] <Vamp> well
[11:59] <Vamp> i didnt' hear this from a webpage
[11:59] <Vamp> but what else do you want me to show you
[11:59] <Vamp> other than a webpage
[11:59] <[3j]> nothing at all vamp
[12:00] <Vamp> you wodn't believe words outta my keyboard
[12:00] <Vamp> but you'l like the webpage
[12:00] <Mr_Odd> likely because they're not to be believed =\
[12:00] <Vamp> BESIDES THIS INFORMATION
[12:00] <Vamp> anyone remembers
[12:00] <[3j]> your information is very interesting vamp keep it up
[12:00] <Vamp> the DRAGON and THE BEAST
[12:00] <Vamp> from the bible
[12:00] <Vamp> ?
[12:00] <woogles> uh wow...I've noticed a little something extra: http://www.detailshere.com/images/N-Ark-visitors.jpg has a rather large dark humonoid shape near the building a bit to the left
[12:00] <[3j]> there was a thing about the mark of the beast of coast to coast the other night
[12:01] <Mr_Odd> yeah, it's called a HUMAN, woogles =\
[12:01] <woogles> in fact that humanoid shape is taller than the building if you account for the perspective.
[12:01] <[3j]> the Belgium Economic Accounting Service Terminal in ny, deals with codebar tech and services, codebars for people and things
[12:01] <Mr_Odd> wait, which shape are YOU talking about?
[12:01] <Vamp> qIR
[12:01] <Mr_Odd> that shadow on the hill?
[12:01] <Vamp> WAIT
[12:02] <Vamp> WOOGLES, what are you
[12:02] <[3j]> thats not the ark pic
[12:02] <Vamp> talking about ?
[12:02] <Mr_Odd> about an inch to the left of the center?
[12:02] <woogles> by the trees to the left of the building
[12:02] <[3j]> the ark on ararat is way up the mountain in a glacier
[12:02] <Mr_Odd> yeah that's a shadow on the hill, man
[12:02] <Mr_Odd> no more humanoid than the face on mars
[12:03] <[3j]> that face is real
[12:03] <Mr_Odd> hahaha
[12:03] <woogles> the shadow is in front of the tree
[12:03] <Mr_Odd> that face looks absolutely nothing like a face
[12:03] <woogles> ie cast onto the tree
[12:03] <[3j]> sure when you look at the 'other' photos
[12:03] <Mr_Odd> haven't you heard since the pathfinder images?
[12:03] <juditness> :x
[12:03] <Vamp> what
[12:03] <Vamp> exactly
[12:03] <woogles> I'm not saying a giant person is there, I'm saying it means something is wrong with the picture ;)
[12:03] <Vamp> are you talking about
[12:03] <Vamp> ?
[12:03] <Vamp> ??
[12:03] <Mr_Odd> the "face" on mars is a mountain formation that looks absolutely NOTHING like a face
[12:03] <Yodar> mr odd your in denial
[12:03] <Yodar> please
[12:03] <Mr_Odd> it's jsut that in that one famous photo, the light was coming from just the right direction
[12:03] <Vamp> now it doesn't in the 80s it did
[12:03] <Vamp> when they first showed the pictures
[12:04] <Mr_Odd> that's exactly right, vamp
[12:04] <Vamp> then the blurred thenew pictures
[12:04] <Vamp> buut
[12:04] <Yodar> what are u afraid of?
[12:04] <Vamp> it'd like to see what shadow are you
[12:04] <Vamp> talking about
[12:04] <Vamp> ?
[12:04] <Mr_Odd> then when the pathfinder mission took more photos two years ago, it was debunked
[12:04] <Mr_Odd> god you folks need to keep up with the news
[12:04] <Yodar> yes nasa gave us low resolution photos !!
[12:04] <[3j]> everyone knows about that
[12:04] <Yodar> they dont want us to know that
[12:04] <woogles> heh now the mars people aresaying there are full scale buildings on mars, and what not
[12:04] <Vamp> woogles
[12:04] <Mr_Odd> WHY WOULD NASA, THE GREAT CONSPIRATORS, RELEASE PHOTOS AT ALL?
[12:04] <woogles> what vamp?
[12:05] <Vamp> woogles, i'm not sure what are you talking about
[12:05] <Vamp>  http://www.detailshere.com/images/N-Ark-visitors.jpg
[12:05] <Mr_Odd> do you realize how foolish the argument you're making is?
[12:05] <[3j]> they have there reasons
[12:05] <Vamp> regarding that image
[12:05] <woogles> I'll circle it
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[12:05] <Vamp> you know
[12:05] <Vamp> there is more than face of the mars
[12:05] <Yodar> no show us there was no face...when of course theere is
[12:05] <Vamp> you just don't know about it
[12:05] <Yodar> cmon man
[12:05] <Vamp> there are whole cities
[12:05] <[3j]> my kid saw the cedonia mars face area. first thing she does is say face! shes only 2
[12:05] <Mr_Odd> I'll find the article
[12:05] <Vamp> tehres a big
[12:05] <Mr_Odd> I read it in Scientific American
[12:05] <Vamp> statue
[12:05] <Yodar> that one is not even questionable
[12:05] <Vamp> of a humanoid
[12:05] <Vamp> too
[12:05] <Vamp> on MARS
[12:05] <[3j]> and it was a big picture of the whole area! the face was just a small thing in the area
[12:05] <Vamp> but you only know about the pyramids and  the face
[12:05] <Mr_Odd> I could make a face on earth with the right lighting direction too, ya know
[12:06] <[3j]> yeah like around the sphinx right
[12:06] <woogles> There's a face on earth? ahhh aliens must have made it! run!
[12:06] <Mr_Odd> oh so I suppose you are the great enlightened one who has a secret connection to the real photos at nasa?
[12:06] <BoY> hi Mr_Odd
[12:06] <Mr_Odd> but oh no, nobody else knows about them
[12:06] <Mr_Odd> because I'm special
[12:06] <Vamp> i don'tthink you know about it..
[12:06] <Yodar> whats wrong with you odd
[12:06] <[3j]> who me?
[12:06] <Vamp> DO YOU ?
[12:06] <BoY> i just wanted to be speciaL
[12:06] <Mr_Odd> I need to feed my ego with this meaningless garbage like a bottomless pit
[12:07] <Vamp> mr_odd doesn't like me from BEFORE
[12:07] <Vamp> that's why
[12:07] <[3j]> well you are anoying vamp
[12:07] <Mr_Odd> i have nothing against you personally
[12:07] <Yodar> i guess so...
[12:07] <Mr_Odd> i just pity you
[12:07] <Yodar> i knew it
[12:07] <Vamp> my point is
[12:07] <Mr_Odd> the fact that you'll believe anything that's out of the ordinary
[12:07] <Mr_Odd> it's a DISORDER
[12:07] <[3j]> you come in here spewing pages of info and go around being an expert on each subject
[12:07] <Vamp> just like you didn't know about the arch
[12:07] <Vamp> you dont know about photos of other
[12:07] <Yodar> mr odd we dont givve a shit about you
[12:07] <Vamp> structures on mars
[12:07] <Yodar> your an ordinary nothing
[12:08] <Vamp> THE LARGE FACTORIES mining factories
[12:08] <BoY> is there medication for disorders
[12:08] <Vamp> so far
[12:08] <Mr_Odd> exactly, and because I',m ordinary, that's why you don't care about me
[12:08] <[3j]> thats because HUMANS LIVED THERE ONCE UPON A TIME!!!!!!!
[12:08] <Vamp> besides the whole noah shit
[12:08] <Mr_Odd> you want to find the extraordinary
[12:08] <Vamp> i figured out, what the dragon and the beast is form the bible
[12:08] <Mr_Odd> and cling on to it for deatr life
[12:08] <Vamp> and also what the SEVEN DEADLY SINS really mean
[12:08] <Mr_Odd> even when the truth is obviously not as interesting as you hoped
[12:08] <Yodar> you cant face the fact that life isnt what you think it is
[12:09] <Vamp> atleast i do  my  research,
[12:09] <Mr_Odd> as do i
[12:09] <Vamp> Well
[12:09] <Mr_Odd> except my research is based on fact
[12:09] <Vamp> What have you discovered
[12:09] <Vamp> ?
[12:09] <[3j]> me too
[12:09] <Vamp> Well you aren't the one who discovered the FACT
[12:09] <BoY> i have discovered that nobody knows
[12:09] <Mr_Odd> i have discovered that it was hugely widely reported after tha pathfinder mission to mars that the face wsa completely and utterly debunked beyond recall
[12:09] <Vamp> if everyone was to make their research
[12:09] <Vamp> based on FACTS
[12:09] <Vamp> then there would be no facts
[12:09] <[3j]> what have you discovered that wasnt told to you from some fringe website vamp?
[12:10] <Mr_Odd> if you would keep up with current events, you would know that the face is just another mountain
[12:10] <Vamp> no
[12:10] <Vamp> not that
[12:10] <Vamp> i discovered something about revelations
[12:10] <[3j]> it's a face
[12:10] <Yodar> easily led sheep you are mr odd
[12:10] <Mr_Odd> WHAT?>
[12:10] <Mr_Odd> *I* AM THE SHEEP?
[12:10] <Mr_Odd> do you REALIZE how SILLY that sounds coming from YOU?
[12:10] <Yodar> yes you have no clue
[12:10] <Vamp> Mr_Odd you sure you're not on a debunking mission
[12:10] <Mr_Odd> ...
[12:10] <Mr_Odd> i'm not on a mission
[12:10] <[3j]> lol a debunking mission
[12:11] <BoY> lol
[12:11] <[3j]> like a paid debunker?
[12:11] <Yodar> your world is gonna come crashing down
[12:11] <Vamp> I wouldn't want to jeopardize your EMPLOYMENT
[12:11] <Mr_Odd> i just am endlessly frustrated by ignorance
[12:11] <[3j]> a disinfo artist?
[12:11] <Mr_Odd> a christ vamnp, you think im on the nasa payroll now?
[12:11] <[3j]> well people have different opinions as to what constitutes ignorance
[12:11] <Mr_Odd> i'm fucking 18 years old, and out of school on medical leave
[12:11] <Yodar> hold on tightly to your beliefs that nothing extraordinary can happen
[12:11] <Vamp> Calm yourself
[12:11] <Mr_Odd> well turning a blind eye to blatan truth to pursue something more interesting is part of what I'd consider ignorance
[12:12] <Vamp> I know i'm influencial, but no need for Violence
[12:12] <Vamp> over here
[12:12] <BoY> take medication if needed
[12:12] <Mr_Odd> i KNOW extraordinary things can and DO happen
[12:12] <Mr_Odd> sheesh
[12:12] <woogles> haha I wish I could get payed for debunking stuff
[12:12] <Mr_Odd> but not when they are BLATANTLY FALSE
[12:12] <woogles> that would be a sweet ass job
[12:12] <Yodar> thats how real discoveries are made...think outside the box
[12:12] <Mr_Odd> well clearly
[12:12] <[3j]> yeah, like colombus-america
[12:12] <Mr_Odd> but there's the box, and then there's the whole ROOM
[12:12] <Mr_Odd> you gotta stay inside a median
[12:12] <Yodar> dont believe the "facts"
[12:12] <Vamp> and THE COPERNICUS VS SCIENCE OF THAT TIME
[12:13] <[3j]> you're getting rilled up over the face thing Mr_Odd
[12:13] <Mr_Odd> see but the thing is, copernicus had EVIDENCE
[12:13] <Vamp> well
[12:13] <Vamp> the box sucks
[12:13] <Vamp> i like the terrain
[12:13] <Vamp> rather than a box
[12:13] <Vamp>  http://www.detailshere.com/images/N-Ark-visitors.jpg
[12:13] <Vamp> the terrain
[12:13] <[3j]> vamp that is all fake, the ark is much higher frozen in a glacier
[12:13] <Yodar> just keep waiting for that evidence then mr odd...your too stupid to realise your being lied to
[12:14] <Mr_Odd> uhhh... see the thing is, i HAVE the evidence already
[12:14] <Vamp> evidence for what
[12:14] <Vamp> ?
[12:14] <Mr_Odd> whereas YOUR kind are the ones who need to wait for more
[12:14] <Yodar> you have nothing but lies
[12:14] <[3j]> what nasa tells you is the truth
[12:14] <Mr_Odd> well, for there not being a face on mars, for instance
[12:14] <Yodar> you have NOTHING
[12:14] <Mr_Odd> uhhh... actually, i have a great deal
[12:14] <Mr_Odd> shall I start picking apart planet x?
[12:15] <Yodar> go ahead
[12:15] <Mr_Odd> I'm sure you'd be thrilled with all the laws of physics it breaks
[12:15] <Yodar> you know EVERYTHING about the laws of psychics
[12:15] <[3j]> i dont think theres any firm px believer/faithful in here?
[12:15] <[3j]> so no one can debate your points Mr_Odd :(
[12:15] <[3j]> about px anyway
[12:16] <Yodar> nobody knows everything there is to know about psychics
[12:16] <Yodar> there are things that we cant understand\
[12:16] <woogles> physics or psychics?
[12:16] <Yodar> whatevre
[12:16] <woogles> they are two quite different things
[12:16] <Mr_Odd> ahhb, here we are
[12:16] <Mr_Odd> http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/target/CYD1/
[12:17] <Yodar> THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT
[12:17] <Yodar> LOW RES SHIT
[12:18] <Yodar> to show idiots like you who believe it
[12:18] <Yodar> nasa is full of shit
[12:18] <Mr_Odd> uhh, it doesn't take higher res
[12:18] <Mr_Odd> it's obviously just some mountains etc.
[12:18] <woogles> uh the original picture was far lower quality than these?
[12:18] <Yodar> yes obviously
[12:18] <Mr_Odd> I'm looking for a site that'll be better received by you now
[12:18] <Mr_Odd> do you two even know what resolution *IS*
[12:18] <Mr_Odd> JESUS
[12:18] <Mr_Odd> LOOK AT THE PICTURE
[12:19] <Yodar> its blurry
[12:19] <Vamp> the image was filtered
[12:19] <Mr_Odd> you can clearly see, even at LOW resolution, that it looks little like a face
[12:19] <Vamp> there was a whole report on
[12:19] <Mr_Odd> of course it was filtered
[12:19] <Vamp> channel 13 about it
[12:19] <Vamp> saying how the NASA
[12:19] <Mr_Odd> contrast increased, etc.
[12:19] <Vamp> is hidding the information
[12:19] <Vamp> umm
[12:19] <Vamp> go learn REMOTE VIEWING
[12:19] <Vamp> Travel to MARS
[12:19] <Mr_Odd> so I suppose you should listen to everyone that presents something extraordinary?
[12:19] <Vamp> and you'l see it for yourself geeze
[12:19] <Mr_Odd> ha
[12:19] <Vamp> if you don't believe it then go and see it
[12:19] <Mr_Odd> remote viewing is just lucid dreaming
[12:20] <Vamp> OK BUDDY
[12:20] <Mr_Odd> you'd see whatever you want to
[12:20] <Vamp> i guess
[12:20] <Vamp> you never
[12:20] <Vamp> watched discovery
[12:20] <Vamp> they did experiments
[12:20] <[3j]> humans are from mars a long time ago and they are still over there, there heads in frozen cryogenic containers waiting to be resued
[12:20] <Vamp> and proved
[12:20] <Mr_Odd> actually, i watch a great deal of discovery, and subscribe to three science magazines
[12:20] <Vamp> with like piece of paper with numner on it
[12:20] <Vamp> had the peopl going to that state
[12:20] <woogles> how can you discount counter evidence based on "low resolution" and accept the far out evidence which actuall has the problem your referring to?
[12:20] <Vamp> went out
[12:20] <[3j]> now you're saying remote viewing is bs?
[12:20] <Vamp> read the paper
[12:20] <Yodar> wow a science magazine!
[12:20] <Vamp> Mr_Odd> remote viewing is just lucid dreaming
[12:21] <Mr_Odd> vamp, there's easy ways to subconciously cue somebody as to what number is there without even knowing you're doing it
[12:21] <[3j]> so is anything paranormal bs ?
[12:21] <Vamp> LUCID DREAMING AND RV
[12:21] <Vamp> are DIFFERENT
[12:21] <Mr_Odd> yodar, i don't make personal attack towards you, I'd expect the same courtesyt
[12:21] <Vamp> Mr Odd you are an insult to Government stargate program
[12:21] <Mr_Odd> or are your arguments so inherently flawed that such attacks are all you have?
[12:21] <juditness> lol.
[12:21] <Vamp> and the thousands of scientists and psychics that peform experiments
[12:21] <Vamp> on that
[12:21] <Vamp> like your name says
[12:21] <juditness> Mr_Odd is a menace to society. :x
[12:21] <Vamp> you are ODD
[12:22] <Yodar> http://www.mars-earth.com/largecool1.jpg
[12:22] <Mr_Odd> indeed, and I am quite the conspiracy theorist as wel
[12:22] <Yodar> here
[12:22] <Mr_Odd> but onlywhen there's actual EVIDENCE for it
[12:22] <Vamp> if something
[12:22] <Vamp> was meant to be covered up
[12:22] <Yodar> its staring right at you
[12:22] <woogles> hehe
[12:22] <Vamp> HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET EVIDENCE
[12:22] <Vamp> buddy
[12:22] <Mr_Odd> in the desert, pyrimids form naturally and persist for hundreds of years
[12:22] <Vamp> if you want the evidence you're not gonna find out anything at all
[12:22] <Mr_Odd> the egyptians made pyramids as a COPY of what they saw in nature
[12:22] <[3j]> hehe
[12:22] <Vamp> yea then how did that latvian guy
[12:22] <Vamp> make the CORAL CASTLE?
[12:23] <[3j]> and so did the central american people
[12:23] <Mr_Odd> what?
[12:23] <Vamp> seeing things in nature?
[12:23] <[3j]> and the chinese
[12:23] <Vamp> in 3 years i dont think so
[12:23] <[3j]> and the celts?
[12:23] <Vamp> he levitated 13 ton rocks
[12:23] <[3j]> i didnt know there were dunes everywhere
[12:23] <Vamp> it was history channel
[12:23] <Mr_Odd> vamp, that's like saying a car is modeled after a pebble
[12:23] <Mr_Odd> come on now
[12:23] <woogles> ok first of all the whole all pyramids in the world arethe same thing.. that isn't true at all
[12:23] <Mr_Odd> if you're going to raise a point, make it an intelligent and perrtitent onoe
[12:23] <Yodar> yes try lifting 20 tons stones
[12:23] <Yodar> go ahead
[12:23] <Vamp> ok stop for a second
[12:23] <Mr_Odd> i could lift a 20 ton stone, too, with ramps, levers, and about 1000 other workers, JUST LIKE THE EGYPTIANS
[12:24] <Vamp> it's like ROSSWELL CRASH, you would be first one to say it was a weather baloon MR ODD
[12:24] <Vamp> i would bet so
[12:24] <Mr_Odd> no, i'm not sure what the roswell crash was
[12:24] <Yodar> so stupid...
[12:24] <Vamp> but then theres people like me who wonder why the hell it tok
[12:24] <Vamp> an entire
[12:24] <Mr_Odd> the government really fucked up in trying to cover it ujp
[12:24] <Vamp> military platoon
[12:24] <Vamp> to clean up a weather baloon
[12:24] <Mr_Odd> yodar, PLEASE
[12:24] <Mr_Odd> take your attacks elsewhere
[12:24] <woogles> the south american pyramids are structurally different, and historically served an entirely different purpose than the egyptian ones for example
[12:24] <[3j]> there would have been millions of egyptians involved in it, its imposible
[12:24] <Vamp> yea one time i believed pyramids
[12:24] <Yodar> ramps...what were the ramps made of? more stones
[12:24] <Mr_Odd> uhh.. have you ever SEEN 50,000 people?
[12:24] <Vamp> were like scientists said
[12:25] <Vamp> made by people
[12:25] <Yodar> how did they deal with the incline??
[12:25] <Vamp> but they talked about TOOLS AND ROPE
[12:25] <Mr_Odd> they could easily swallow a whole pyrimid, all teh way around
[12:25] <Vamp> THEY NEVER FOUND ANY OF THOSE TOOLS!Q!!!!!!
[12:25] <Mr_Odd> how COULD more people than that work on it?
[12:25] <[3j]> Mr_Odd you would need more than 50k people, its more than just one location, they had to get the stones
[12:25] <Mr_Odd> yodar, levers and ramps
[12:25] <Mr_Odd> so? there's tons of stuff we haven't found
[12:25] <Yodar> ramps made of what??
[12:25] <Vamp> Think of this, pyramids were ordered by a pharoah , for his resting site
[12:25] <[3j]> then planning construction, feeding, sheltering, organizing
[12:25] <Vamp> that means
[12:25] <Vamp> the pyramid would have to be built
[12:25] <Vamp> during his/her lifetime
[12:25] <Mr_Odd> you're putting the faith of your argument in the same scientific hands which you constantly attack for knowing so little
[12:25] <Yodar> carrying stones from 500 MILES away!!!
[12:26] <Vamp> that would be what 50 years, lets say
[12:26] <Mr_Odd> indeed yodar, just throw them on round logs and roll 'em
[12:26] <Mr_Odd> it's not difficulty
[12:26] <Mr_Odd> -y
[12:26] <Vamp> just throw them on your LEGS
[12:26] <woogles> well that was the idea, but it didn't always work out, some of them became multi-generation projects. we've now found evidence of the worker camps where the people who worked on them lived
[12:26] <[3j]> or maybe it was just liquid concrete type of stones
[12:26] <Yodar> ok you can have that job..
[12:26] <Vamp> and call it a favor
[12:26] <juditness> Yodar
[12:27] <Mr_Odd> jsut like nobody thought polynesians could have come from teh west pacific and austrasia until the great guys who took the kon-tiki voyage showed that it could be done
[12:27] <juditness> i have a question to ask you.
[12:27] <Yodar> what
[12:27] <juditness> why do you feel the need to take personal whacks (sp) at people?
[12:27] <juditness> this dude is here to actually help you open your eyes and see REALITY, and all you do is attack him with personal shiznit
[12:27] <woogles> People forget something, human intelligence really hasn't evolved for about 50000 years. Those egyptians were just as resourceful, ingenious, and intelligent as the people of today.
[12:28] <Yodar> because i truly feel they deserve it
[12:28] <juditness> i tell you what
[12:28] <Mr_Odd> likely because he has little else to offer, and his frustration at his own wrongess is overwhelming
[12:28] <juditness> if you wanna get personal with anyone
[12:28] <juditness> try me.
[12:28] <juditness> i am only here because i am amused.
[12:28] <Mr_Odd> thanks judit :D
[12:28] <[3j]> Yodar call judit hairy
[12:28] <Vamp> Channel wrestling
[12:28] <juditness> [3j]: haha.
[12:28] <Yodar> i wish we were all together so we can have it out
[12:29] <juditness> Yodar: you clearly don't understand what people are trying to tell you.
[12:29] <juditness> i think you should appreciate and THINK ABOUT the opposing opinion
[12:29] <juditness> instead of trying to believe in something that's not gonna happen.
[12:29] <Yodar> they are not doing the same
[12:29] <Yodar> there opinions are as stupid as mine
[12:29] <[3j]> it could happen
[12:29] <juditness> [3j]: what date is it? may 16?
[12:30] <Yodar> how do you know judit???
[12:30] <[3j]> i dont know
[12:30] <woogles> may 15th, or "shorlty after"
[12:30] <juditness> lol
[12:30] <juditness> k
[12:30] <[3j]> but maybe all of the px viewing is a distortion of something else majorly bad that will happen
[12:30] <juditness> i talk to you guys in like 6 months
[12:30] <[3j]> or maybe px is really out there
[12:30] <juditness> and trust me
[12:30] <[3j]> or maybe its not
[12:30] <juditness> we'll all be here.
[12:30] <Vamp> juditness
[12:30] <z> juditness is the coolest chick I've ever known or at least i think so
[12:30] <Vamp> you're the right person
[12:30] <woogles> but we _should_ be able to see it naked eye long before then, 7 weeks before then,
[12:30] <[3j]> right woogles
[12:30] <Vamp> i'm doing 1000$ bets
[12:30] <Vamp> :D
[12:31] <[3j]> but other astronomers should of spotted it by now
[12:31] <juditness> Vamp: i don't place any money on anything.
[12:31] <Vamp> not really
[12:31] <[3j]> not just the tt team
[12:31] <Vamp> WHY
[12:31] <Vamp> becaause you know
[12:31] <Vamp> it might still come
[12:31] <juditness> no..
[12:31] <Vamp> that's why you keep on coming here
[12:31] <juditness> simply because i don't have $1000 in liquid cash.
[12:31] <juditness> =D
[12:31] <Vamp> ok
[12:31] <Yodar> remember that cable car that crashed full of astronomers a few years ago?
[12:31] <Mr_Odd> http://www.space.com/opinionscolumns/opinions/ford_000613.html
[12:31] <Mr_Odd> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/mgs_cydonia.html
[12:32] * juditness shakes her head
[12:32] <Mr_Odd> happy?
[12:32] <z> happy is probably good
[12:32] <Mr_Odd> sheesh
[12:32] <Yodar> its a message
[12:32] <Vamp> MR ODD
[12:32] <Vamp> now you are linking to government and space.com
[12:32] <Vamp> OFCOURSE they will never confirm
[12:32] <Vamp> anything we talk about
[12:32] <Vamp> TRY doing INDEPEDENT Research
[12:32] <Mr_Odd> ...
[12:32] <Mr_Odd> these pictures all STARTED at the government!
[12:32] <Vamp> you are relying on information from people, whose nature is to cover it up
[12:32] * woogles bangs his head against the keyboard *yuhj7jtar6jrt*
[12:32] <Yodar> you just LOVE nasa
[12:32] <juditness> lol.
[12:32] <Mr_Odd> your case is as reliant on them as mine
[12:33] <Vamp> remember
[12:33] <z> remember is someone else
[12:33] <Vamp> Remember that
[12:33] <Vamp> when they were
[12:33] <Mr_Odd> forget remember
[12:33] <z> Mr_Odd: I forgot remember
[12:33] * ChanServ sets mode: +m
[12:33] * [3j] sets mode: -m
[12:33] <Vamp> they would find the
[12:33] <Vamp> FACE
[12:33] <Vamp> so they werent expecting
[12:33] <Vamp> to find anything
[12:33] <Vamp> abnormal
[12:33] <Vamp> don't forget that
[12:33] <Vamp> but THEY DID SHUT DOWN and said there was a technical problem
[12:33] <Vamp> right after it
[12:33] <Vamp> CAN YOU NOT accept PLAIN LOGIC
[12:33] <Vamp> mr odd
[12:34] <Mr_Odd> dude a whole lot of stuff can look like a "face" when the sun in 5 degrees over the horizon
[12:34] <Vamp> OK
[12:34] <Yodar> show me
[12:34] <Vamp> let's fly a plane
[12:34] <Vamp> all day
[12:34] <Yodar> dont just say it
[12:34] <Vamp> and look for a whole bunch of stuff
[12:34] <Vamp> that can look
[12:34] <Mr_Odd> uhh... technical problems happen about 3 times every single space mission, hehe
[12:34] <Vamp> like  face
[12:34] <Vamp> yea so a technical problem
[12:34] <Mr_Odd> I'll bet we'd find one, vamp!
[12:34] <Vamp> had to start
[12:34] <Vamp> soon after that
[12:34] <woogles> more than one mr_odd
[12:34] <Vamp> Transmission.
[12:34] <Mr_Odd> indeed, woogles
[12:35] <Vamp> I like to challenge your types
[12:35] <Vamp> it's kinda like when i argue with newtonian physists
[12:35] <Vamp> they say it's all in your mind
[12:35] <Vamp> untl i make a colored
[12:36] <Vamp> energy ball
[12:36] <Mr_Odd> newton was wrong - einstein proved that much
[12:36] <Vamp> and blind their minds
[12:36] <woogles> newton was not wrong, he just wasn't totally right
[12:36] <Mr_Odd> indeed, woogles :)
[12:36] <Mr_Odd> within a normal range of speeds, forced, and masses, newton was spot-on
[12:36] <Mr_Odd> forces*
[12:37] <woogles> oh dear, please don't bring psiballs into this, even the occult community is rather against them
[12:37] <Vamp> Just to let you now
[12:37] <Vamp> i learned them
[12:37] <Vamp> from the stargate information
[12:37] <Vamp> that was
[12:37] <Vamp> requested
[12:37] <Vamp> by someone i kno
[12:38] <Yodar> vamp: where are ye
[12:38] <Vamp> ?
[12:38] <woogles> if you can't make a "visible" ball of light.. and I mean visible to everyone, then frankly I don't give a shit
[12:38] <Yodar> where do u live
[12:38] <Vamp> CT
[12:38] <Mr_Odd> what "stargate information"
[12:38] <Mr_Odd> you guys crack me up
[12:38] <Vamp> uh, i have to reapeat myself
[12:39] <Vamp> you can send a letter
[12:39] <Vamp> to cia
[12:39] <Vamp> i'l get you adress if you want
[12:39] <Vamp> requesting
[12:39] <Vamp> information about the stargate program
[12:39] <Vamp> its all the psychic stuff and how tos
[12:39] <woogles> please try to write longer lines
[12:39] <Vamp> but you have to pay for it
[12:39] <Vamp> no thanks ,i  like the way i'm doing it now.
[12:39] <Vamp> if you don't like it block me
[12:40] <woogles> ok
[12:40] <woogles> you
[12:40] <woogles> do
[12:40] <woogles> things
[12:40] <woogles> your
[12:40] <woogles> way
[12:40] <Yodar> vamp, ever heard david icke?
[12:40] * woogles rolls his eyes
[12:40] <Mr_Odd> HAHAHA
[12:40] <Mr_Odd> david icke?
[12:40] <Mr_Odd> oh god
[12:40] <Mr_Odd> you guys are hopeless
[12:40] <Vamp> no
[12:40] <Yodar> you must
[12:40] <Yodar> davidicke.com
[12:40] <Vamp> but i heard of URI GELLER
[12:41] <Vamp> www.urigeller.com
[12:41] <Yodar> forget that
[12:41] <Mr_Odd> david icke makes the most absurd claims one could ever dream of
[12:41] <Vamp> he proved he can bend metal objects from distance
[12:41] <Vamp> and spoons
[12:41] <Yodar> icke's got it man!
[12:41] <Mr_Odd> and then was quickly DISproved
[12:41] <woogles> heh uri geller is a slight of hand expert
[12:41] <Mr_Odd> and david icke also warps the facts quite thoroughly
[12:41] <Vamp> R I G H T
[12:41] <Mr_Odd> with statements like "33 our of 36 world leaders today are directly related to charlemagne"
[12:41] <Vamp> for you guys, even if a giant alien ship
[12:41] <Vamp> crashes
[12:41] <Mr_Odd> when 33 out of ANY 36 people are
[12:41] <Vamp> and aliens
[12:42] <Vamp> come out
[12:42] <Vamp> you still will deny it
[12:42] <Mr_Odd> it's pretty likely that we all have a common piece of DNA with ghandi from his family
[12:42] <woogles> no no, I'd accept that.
[12:42] <Mr_Odd> such is the nature of the gene pool
[12:42] <Yodar> such is your thick head
[12:42] <Yodar> i know
[12:42] <Mr_Odd> no, i would accept that instantly
[12:42] <Mr_Odd> in fact i'd love for that to happen
[12:42] <Mr_Odd> I'm still not sure if ETI's have visited earth, but I would sure like them to
[12:43] <J35U5> david icke says that our world leaders are reptilian shapeshifters
[12:43] <Vamp> well with people like you,
[12:43] <Yodar> yes thats true
[12:43] * J35U5 is now known as Jesus
[12:43] <Vamp> no one will ever be ready
[12:43] <Jesus> it's true?
[12:43] <woogles> oh that explains it jesus ;)
[12:43] <Vamp> to deal with that
[12:43] <Jesus> ha ha
[12:43] <Mr_Odd> god you guys are like children investing your beliefs in fairy tales
[12:43] <Yodar> the truth is so unbelievable i know
[12:43] <Vamp> GOod debunking material.
[12:43] <Jesus> how is it the truth?
[12:43] <Yodar> thats why its still hidden
[12:44] <Mr_Odd> you'd believe the first thing out fo anybody's mouth with a bit of pseudo-science behind it and as long as it's "cool" enough
[12:44] <Vamp> oh i knew
[12:44] <Vamp> it will come to that
[12:44] <Yodar> i dont believe YOU
[12:44] <Mr_Odd> and, god forbid, not supported by mainstream science!@
[12:44] <Vamp> The usual skeptical drills.
[12:44] <Mr_Odd> because clearly, science must be flawed in everything
[12:44] * Vamp slaps Mr_Odd around a bit with a large trout
[12:44] <Mr_Odd> it's only gotten us THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF TECHNOLOGYT
[12:44] <Vamp> mr odd ignored
[12:44] <Yodar> sorry but id rather break away from the herd
[12:44] <woogles> oi skeptisism is GOOD cynicism is bad, everyone should be skeptical..it just means to be questioning ratherthan taking everything on blind faith
[12:45] <Mr_Odd> exactly woogled
[12:45] <Mr_Odd> -d+S
[12:45] <Jesus> man mr_odd says they're wrong and they short-circuit
[12:45] <Vamp> woogles is on ignore parol now
[12:46] <Jesus> and they're supposed to be the logical ones?
[12:46] <woogles> what's ignore parol?
[12:46] <Vamp> this ignore parol
[12:46] <Jesus> parole?
[12:46] <Jesus> patrol?
[12:46] <woogles> ignoring people won't fix things
[12:46] <Mr_Odd> some people like vamp and yodar here are SO bent on finding an alternative explanation to things in order to satisfy their need of fantasy (likely due to a weakling super-ego), that they dismiss the obvious and seek out the fantastic, simply because it offers them more fulfillment
[12:47] <Yodar> thats me in a nutshell
[12:47] <woogles> I've tried to support believer before with good science, every time I even attempt they throw shit at me
[12:47] <Mr_Odd> it's a simple psychological phenomenom
[12:47] <Mr_Odd> but it is quite unhealthy
[12:47] <Mr_Odd> yes, as have I, woogles
[12:47] <Yodar> i know im right i dont care what people think of me
[12:47] <Vamp> wow after i ignored  woogles and mr odd, seems all balanced
[12:47] <Vamp> and peaceful
[12:47] <Jesus> ha ha
[12:47] <Mr_Odd> the instant i see any REAL evidence for these points, I would gladly drop everything and try to spread the word
[12:47] <Jesus> go yodar (NOT)
[12:48] * woogles has quit IRC (One day you just wake up and discover your eyes have finally opened.)
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[12:49] <Mr_Odd> gee vamp, i can ping you, too
[12:50] <woogles> I hate people who just ignore users, it is silly. It doesn't solve anything at all and just makes you seem like an asshole. I'm not here to destroy anyone, or offend anyone.
[12:51] <Jesus> well when you say that you don't believe in shapeshifting reptilians controlling our planet, you're kind of kicking a fundamental belief of theirs in the ass
[12:52] <Mr_Odd> hahahahahahha
[12:52] <woogles> oh, I see. Well my mistake then.
[12:52] <Jesus> it's like saying that our perception of Jesus is way off. quite true, but you'll piss a lot of people off who have succumbed to the sheep-mentality of "faith"
[12:52] * woogles slaps Vamp around a bit with a large trout
[12:54] <Vamp> <Mr_Odd> why is it that all of these crackpot pseudo-religionists constantly use tactics like evasion, ignoring (ahem, vamp), personal attacks and insults, self-referencing logic and definitions, and just plain old-fashioned WRONG science, rather than supporting their claims like the debunkers do (which is to say, rationally and with scientific proofs)?
[12:55] <juditness> heh
[12:55] <Jesus> good job, mr_odd
[12:55] <juditness> i have to say
[12:55] <Jesus> "in a nutshell"
[12:55] <juditness> he hit the nail on the head there.
[12:55] <woogles> hah guess vamp wasn't ignoring him afterall
[12:55] <Vamp> let me think of something
[12:55] <Vamp> back
[12:55] <Jesus> nope, he was on ignore parole/patrol, which is totally different
[12:56] <juditness> man
[12:56] <juditness> i have a question
[12:56] <juditness> if the world doesn't end in may or june
[12:56] <juditness> are you gonna kill yourself?
[12:56] <juditness> cuz i'd be happy to provide the rope.
[12:56] <Mr_Odd> [15:56:38] <Mr_Odd> I think I know why they do these things.
[12:56] <Mr_Odd> [15:56:43] <Mr_Odd> because they are all they have.
[12:56] <Mr_Odd> [15:57:45] <Mr_Odd> the day I see a real well-constructed argument supporting ANY of this stuff, complete with OBJECTIVE evidence (and "evidence" entails more than just a few chance coincidences), is the day i build my geodesic dome in kansas to get through the aftertime.
[12:56] <juditness> kansas
[12:56] <Mr_Odd> hahahahaha judit <3
[12:56] <juditness> haha
[12:57] <juditness> Mr_Odd: can i be "toto"? :x
[12:57] <Mr_Odd> hehe
[12:57] <juditness> well
[12:57] <Jesus> meet me in northern minnesota for the shift
[12:57] <juditness> no
[12:57] <Vamp> You might be a UFO skeptic/skeptic (or de-bunker) if...
[12:57] <Vamp> If the Air Force has you on their speed dial, and pays for all of your transportation and lodging.
[12:57] <juditness> i'd rather be dorothy
[12:57] <Vamp> You might be a UFO skeptic/skeptic (or de-bunker) if...
[12:57] <Vamp> If the Air Force has you on their speed dial, and pays for all of your transportation and lodging.
[12:57] <juditness> =/
[12:57] <woogles> That's why I say at very very least, they should prepare for _Both_ possibilites. In other words have a life set up to live in case the damn planet doesn't come.
[12:57] <juditness> Vamp: omg.. you just made a funny. :O
[12:58] * juditness laughs hysterically.
[12:58] <woogles> uh vamp, if you can still read this.. why would the government PAY debunkers? Think of how many people debunk for free..
[12:58] <juditness> woogles: the way i see it, this is just another cult.. too bad people involve innocent children in it
[12:58] <juditness> hey.. i debunk for free.
[12:58] <juditness> and i hate the US govt.
[12:59] <juditness> :x
[12:59] <Mr_Odd> as do i, and proudly, i should add
[12:59] <Vamp> You might be a UFO skeptic if...
[12:59] <juditness> yeah
[12:59] <juditness> but i am not american.
[12:59] <woogles> to think that you two have been doing all this free debunking.. I think you better send a bill to nasa!
[12:59] <Jesus> you are dutch! isn't that veeird?
[12:59] * ChanServ sets mode: +b *!*@ool-4354a831.dyn.optonline.net
[12:59] <juditness> enough of this shit already.
[13:00] <juditness> you might be a fag if:
[13:00] <juditness> ChanServ bans you from #Troubled_Times
[13:00] * Vamp has left #Troubled_Times
[13:00] * juditness sighs.
[13:00] <Mr_Odd> HAHAHAHAHA
[13:00] <juditness> i am sorry to spoil the party.
[13:00] <juditness> (22:02:08) -Vamp- can't take the heat, so stay out of kitchen
[13:00] <juditness> lol.
[13:00] <Mr_Odd> rofl
[13:00] <Mr_Odd> waht a doofus
[13:00] <Jesus> that's what i was waiting for
[13:00] <woogles> he actually said that?
[13:01] <juditness> (22:02:29) -> -vamp- private note from  juditness  you may want to stop harassing me. thank you. :)
[13:01] <juditness> =)
[13:01] <juditness> this is too funny.
[13:01] <Mr_Odd> ?
[13:01] <juditness> does this dude actually believe he owned us?
[13:01] <woogles> ohh.. I want to see ;)
[13:01] <Jesus> -> *vamp* seriously man you've gotta get back on track with your beliefs
[13:02] <juditness> Jesus
[13:02] <juditness> don't forget
[13:02] <juditness> that you love vamp.
[13:02] <juditness> other than that
[13:02] <juditness> it's not getting back on track that he needs
[13:02] <Jesus> that's true. i love everyone. you are all my children
[13:02] <Jesus> he just needs faith in me
[13:02] <juditness> it's a fucking bullet in the head yo.
[13:03] <juditness> Jesus: did you know i wear you on two of my thongs?
[13:03] <juditness> =x
[13:03] <Jesus> nice!
[13:03] <Mr_Odd> haha
[13:03] <Mr_Odd> yes she does
[13:03] <juditness> how does it feel? :)
[13:03] <Jesus> my girlfriend (mary M) would be pissed if i inquired further though
[13:03] <woogles> I challenged god to a fight once, he didn't show up, does that mean I won?
[13:03] <juditness> mary m?
[13:03] <Jesus> magdalene
[13:03] <Mr_Odd> lol woo
[13:04] <juditness> lol
[13:04] <Mr_Odd> +gles
[13:04] <juditness> Jesus
[13:04] <Jesus> god doesn't fight like santa doesn't give guns for xmas gifts
[13:04] <juditness> i have been meaning to ask you this
[13:04] <Mr_Odd> yo your girl's a HO, jesus
[13:04] <juditness> how big is your penis?
[13:04] <Mr_Odd> she gets around
[13:04] <juditness> my friend jake emailed you at jesus.com
[13:04] <Jesus> slightly above average
[13:04] <juditness> but he never got a reply
[13:04] <Jesus> that guy just looks like jesus
[13:04] <woogles> santa is a frigging pedophile..he tricks children with toys so he can touch their bottoms
[13:05] <juditness> hmm
[13:05] <juditness> i like santa
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[13:06] <Jesus> hi vamp
[13:06] <Jesus> FULL ON KEV'S MOM!!!
[13:07] <Jesus> why the fuck did they arrest peter townshend? crap
[13:08] <juditness> !op juditness
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[13:08] * juditness sets mode: -bbb *!*@*.isd-holland.nl *!*@62.59.153.* *!*@62.59.154.*
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[13:08] <juditness> obany
[13:08] <juditness> the banlist got full. :/
[13:08] <Jesus> haha
[13:08] <obany> so you are letting vamp back in
[13:09] <obany> and nol
[13:09] <juditness> heh
[13:09] <juditness> i just banned vamp
[13:09] <juditness> :x
[13:09] <juditness> which one is nol?
[13:09] <obany> you removed a ban
[13:09] <obany> isd.holland.nl
[13:09] <juditness> k
[13:09] <juditness> !ban *!*@ool-4354a831.dyn.optonline.net
[13:09] * ChanServ sets mode: +b *!*@ool-4354a831.dyn.optonline.net
[13:09] <juditness> !ban *!*@*.isd-holland.nl
[13:09] * ChanServ sets mode: +b *!*@*.isd-holland.nl
[13:09] <juditness> there
[13:09] <juditness> it's all back. :x
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[13:10] <obany> and nol is also *.dialup.zonnet.nl
[13:10] <juditness> !ban *!*@*.dialup.zonnet.nl
[13:10] * ChanServ sets mode: +b *!*@*.dialup.zonnet.nl
[13:10] <juditness> ok well.. there were just too many bans
[13:10] * ChanServ sets mode: +o obany
[13:10] <juditness> i didn't mean to do any harm
[13:10] <juditness> sorry :/
[13:15] <Mr_Odd> http://skepdic.com/illuminati.html
[13:15] <Mr_Odd> hehehe
[13:21] <Jesus> i've gotta say that the whole total information awareness logo thing is a dick move by the gov't
[13:21] <Mr_Odd> http://www.csicop.org/si/2002-07/dangerous.html
[13:22] <Mr_Odd> http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-05/majestic-12.html
[13:22] <Mr_Odd> http://www.csicop.org/si/9909/fox.html
[13:22] <Mr_Odd> that first one is especially important
[13:22] <obany> oooh sigh you don't even take alien contact serious mr_odd sigh
[13:22] <obany> this is now #debunk
[13:23] <woogles> don't you start
[13:23] <Mr_Odd> oh come on obany
[13:23] <Mr_Odd> i know that there are aliens out there
[13:23] <Mr_Odd> i am uncertain as to whether they have made contact with us
[13:24] <obany> so you want them to land in your backyard and shake your hand before you could be certain ?
[13:24] <juditness> well
[13:24] <Mr_Odd> but that's because I like to base my beliefs on reason and fact, rather than fantastic claims and my personal desire for fulfillment and fastasy
[13:24] <Mr_Odd> no, i want to see some real evidence
[13:25] <juditness> i think he just needs more proof than someone claiming to talk to them.
[13:25] <juditness> :)
[13:25] <Mr_Odd> which is, I'm afraid, sorely lacking as of now
[13:25] <Mr_Odd> indeed, judit :)
[13:25] <Jesus> hey man you've got steven spielberg's "taken" !!!
[13:25] <juditness> obany
[13:25] <Jesus> that's proof enough for vamp and i
[13:25] <Mr_Odd> especially when said person has so much to gain from this comminiqué
[13:25] <Mr_Odd> lol
[13:25] <juditness> do you realize, that i could say i am talking to aliens?
[13:25] <juditness> and that they're gonna eat us all?
[13:25] <juditness> :/
[13:26] <Mr_Odd> yep
[13:27] <Jesus> i think whatever aliens are out there would reveal themselves when it's time to reveal themselves
[13:27] <Jesus> and that they wouldn't entrust their info to wackos
[13:27] <Mr_Odd> yeah really
[13:27] <woogles> was "taken" any good? it wasn't shown in my area
[13:28] <Mr_Odd> if they really wanted to be heard and taken seriously, they're not really going about it the right way
[13:28] <Mr_Odd> and if there's so many "contactees" all over the earth, why not just open a direct line to all of us and let us know that way
[13:28] <Jesus> taken sucked
[13:28] <Mr_Odd> rather than using some crackpot psychologically unstable emmisary
[13:29] <Mr_Odd> with little credibility
[13:29] <juditness> mhmm
[13:29] <juditness> crack
[13:29] <juditness> mmm
[13:29] <Jesus> we know so little about the phenomenon
[13:31] <obany> sigh odd sigh
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[13:32] <Jesus> good riddance. that guy is a dick
[13:32] <Jesus> no one bans me but him
[13:33] <juditness> uh?
[13:33] <juditness> who?
[13:34] <Jesus> obany
[13:34] <woogles> he runs from his own channel...
[13:34] <woogles> I've not seen evidence of him ever thinking for himself.
[13:35] * raincityAFK is now known as raincity
[13:35] <juditness> i am not going to comment. :)
[13:36] <Jesus> Coke, presumably, expects us to believe that is was a candid
[13:36] <Jesus> shot taken in a slap-happy moment of abandon, but anyone with any
[13:36] <Jesus> familiarity with film knows that it isn't.  The image is precise,
[13:36] <Jesus> focused, choreographed.  The shot was chosen precisely for the
[13:36] <Jesus> image of jerking breasts (virtually every Coke ad has one or more
[13:36] <Jesus> images of jerking tits and fluxing buns, as do Pepsi commercials,
[13:36] <Jesus> etc.).
[13:37] <Mr_Odd> wtf?
[13:37] <Mr_Odd> what are you quoting, jesus?
[13:37] <Mr_Odd> lol
[13:37] <Jesus> it was in the illuminati article
[13:37] <juditness> coke > pepsi
[13:37] <juditness> :/
[13:37] <Jesus> about the scientologist conspiracy theorist
[13:37] <juditness> cola = evil
[13:37] <juditness> :(
[13:37] <Mr_Odd> ooh
[13:37] <Jesus> both drinks are worthy of being condemned by the surgeon general
[13:37] <Mr_Odd> coke tastes better, but is more evil
[13:38] <woogles> I like the old coke.. the coke that had you now.. coke in it :)
[13:38] <juditness> coke is good
[13:38] <Mr_Odd> coca cola inc. hires paramilitary groups in south america, mostly colombia, to kill trade unionists by the swarm
[13:38] <juditness> actually
[13:38] <Jesus> they're incredibly bad for you
[13:38] <juditness> i am drinking coke just now
[13:38] <juditness> =/
[13:38] <juditness> i know
[13:38] <juditness> =(
[13:38] <Jesus> especially DIET COKE
[13:38] <juditness> they started killing my teeth
[13:38] <juditness> so i stopped
[13:38] <Jesus> drink tea :-)
[13:38] <juditness> i HATE diet EVERYTHING.
[13:38] <juditness> i am hungarian ffs
[13:38] <juditness> tea > *
[13:38] <Jesus> ah
[13:38] <Jesus> ha ha
[13:38] <Jesus> what kind of tea
[13:38] <Mr_Odd> capitalism < *
[13:38] <juditness> earl grey
[13:39] <juditness> and children's tea
[13:39] <juditness> =x
[13:39] <Jesus> bergamot!
[13:39] * juditness LOVES children's tea
[13:39] <Jesus> peppermint tea!
[13:39] <juditness> it has little teddybears on the label too
[13:39] <juditness> =(
[13:39] <Jesus> haha
[13:39] <Mr_Odd> awww hehe
[13:39] * juditness is a teddybear fetishist
[13:39] <juditness> well
[13:39] <juditness> that too.
[13:39] <juditness> :x
[13:40] <Mr_Odd> 1
[13:40] <Mr_Odd> ! RATHER
[13:40] <Mr_Odd> err capslock
[13:40] <juditness> erm
[13:40] <Mr_Odd> -ChanServ- RATHER is an unknown command.
[13:40] <Mr_Odd> hehe
[13:40] * juditness points at /query
[13:40] <Jesus> !BONER
[13:40] <Jesus> -ChanServ- BONER is an unknown command.
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[13:41] <juditness> !sex.
[13:41] <loitus> muahahahah
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[13:41] <Mr_Odd> uhhh
[13:41] <Mr_Odd> riiiiight...
[13:42] <Jesus> welcome to atlanta - where the players play
[13:42] <Jesus> i can't wait for the current music organization system to fall flat on its face
[13:42] <juditness> :/
[13:43] <Jesus> maybe we'll get more quality music and get more people drawn to making real stuff instead of regurgitated crap just to get rich and famous
[13:43] <juditness> hey
[13:43] <juditness> i sing other people's songs. :x
[13:43] <Jesus> me too
[13:43] <juditness> and then i send them to my friends
[13:43] <juditness> =/
[13:43] <juditness> so that they can laugh
[13:43] <juditness> =/
[13:43] <Jesus> but not linkin park
[13:43] <juditness> WTF
[13:43] <Jesus> ha ha
[13:43] <juditness> LINKIN PARK
[13:43] <juditness> EW
[13:43] <juditness> ;/
[13:43] <Jesus> are weak
[13:44] <Jesus> but wow they sure have good album sales
[13:44] <juditness> yeah
[13:44] <Jesus> their next album (if it exists), i predict will tank
[13:44] <juditness> that's cuz they are supposedly cute.
[13:44] <juditness> =p
[13:44] <Jesus> oh CHESTER
[13:44] <juditness> then again
[13:45] <juditness> chicks love kid rock too
[13:45] <juditness> and he's anything but cute
[13:45] <juditness> =x
[13:45] <woogles> didn't he die?
[13:45] <Jesus> they like him because he's famous
[13:45] <Mr_Odd> kid rock, i hate to say, is the fuckin man
[13:45] <Mr_Odd> he's a sellout, but he's the man
[13:45] <Jesus> i don't know about that
[13:45] <Jesus> i'd really hate to be him
[13:46] <Mr_Odd> why?
[13:46] <Jesus> he has vibes like he's got big problems
[13:47] <juditness> Jesus
[13:47] <Jesus> watching him talk on TRL (sellout) is like watching a puppy dog that gets smacked around
[13:47] <juditness> i'll check your holy stuff out
[13:47] <Jesus> thanks
[13:47] <juditness> in about 5 minutes
[13:47] <juditness> =x
[13:47] <juditness> i am trying to
[13:47] <juditness> get my head out of the gutter.
[13:47] <Jesus> ahh
[13:47] <juditness> where someone put it.
[13:47] <Jesus> gotcha
[13:47] * juditness coughs.
[13:47] <juditness> i hate menz.
[13:47] <juditness> :/
[13:49] <Mr_Odd> lol
[13:50] <Jesus> dude this reiki stuff is rad. i keep healing my stomach aches (used to be a real problem)
[13:50] <Mr_Odd> word
[13:51] <Jesus> http://www.sciflicks.com/the_omega_man/images/the_omega_man_15.html
[13:52] <Mr_Odd> ?
[13:52] <Jesus> ha ha
[13:52] <Jesus> i'm listening to phil hendrie
[13:53] <Jesus> one of phil's characters is talking about that gal
[13:55] <juditness> .:mp3:. Prophecygo -- Lightning Strikes [3.09mb.3:22.1x]
[13:55] <juditness> :O
[13:55] <Mr_Odd> :D
[13:55] <Mr_Odd> it's prophecy: go
[13:55] <Mr_Odd> if I'm not mistaken
[13:55] <juditness> well
[13:55] <Mr_Odd> not propheseego
[13:55] <juditness> i just got it from the site
[13:56] <juditness> and this is how it was featured there.
[13:56] <juditness> so
[13:56] <juditness> kiss my white ass.
[13:56] <juditness> =x
[13:56] <Jesus> that used to be our name
[13:56] <juditness> the id3 tag says differently
[13:56] <juditness> =x
[13:56] <Jesus> yeah we dropped the name after we kicked out the singer who made it up
[13:58] <Jesus> it was a pretentious name
[13:58] <juditness> .:mp3:. Prophecygo -- Fiction Sweet [2.94mb.3:12.1x]
[13:58] <Jesus> nice
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[13:59] <juditness> haha
[13:59] <Jesus> i saw lord of the rings 2 last night...it was dope
[13:59] <juditness> that's a nice quit msg
[14:00] <juditness> HEH
[14:00] <juditness> i am not ready to talk about that movie.
[14:00] <juditness> still not ready =x
[14:00] <juditness> .:mp3:. Prophecygo -- Evolution Evident [3.56mb.3:53.1x]
[14:00] <Jesus> i haven't gotten to the book yet, so i can't compare
[14:01] <Mr_Odd> yeha two towers rocked!
[14:01] <Jesus> so here's what i don't get
[14:02] <Jesus> liv tyler's character
[14:02] <juditness> i need some more time to cope with the experience, heh
[14:02] <Jesus> was she part of the archer squad that showed up?
[14:02] <Jesus> or did she leave or what?
[14:02] <juditness> nope
[14:02] <juditness> she left i think
[14:02] <Jesus> damn
[14:02] <Jesus> so aragorn and the sandy blond gal are gonna...you know?
[14:03] <juditness> lol
[14:03] <juditness> no
[14:03] <Jesus> since that makes good movies
[14:03] <Jesus> WHY NOT? :-)
[14:03] <juditness> it's not one of those suckie fuckie movies, baby.
[14:03] <juditness> =P
[14:03] <juditness> hey
[14:03] <Jesus> ja
[14:03] <juditness> i'd do aragorn no problem.
[14:03] <juditness> heh
[14:03] <Jesus> you mean viggo
[14:03] <juditness> i am not a sandy blonde though
[14:03] <juditness> yeah
[14:04] <Jesus> dope
[14:04] <Jesus> all i can think when i see his character is that i'm glad i'm not there to smell his breath
[14:04] <juditness> lol
[14:04] <juditness> how true
[14:05] <juditness> however
[14:05] <juditness> me and my friends agreed
[14:05] <juditness> that gimley is the rock
[14:05] <juditness> in 2 towers.
[14:05] <Mr_Odd> the rock?
[14:06] <juditness> THE SHIT.
[14:06] <z> well, the shit is insane
[14:06] <juditness> IS THAT BETTER?
[14:06] <juditness> =/
[14:06] <[3j]> YEAH !! R04R!!
[14:07] <Mr_Odd> lol
[14:07] <juditness> 5uch 31iti5m :(
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[15:16] <loitus> booyah
[15:23] <Jesus> ok can do
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[15:59] <obany> and what should i do change my nick into Vagina ??? :P sigh
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[15:59] <juditness> god
[15:59] <juditness> this dude has serious issues.
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[22:24] <mr-pen> ~~*      .o    O
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