Session Start: Wed Jan 22 00:00:00 2003
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[00:27] <Himitsu> juditness: hi!
[00:27] <juditness> hi!
[00:27] <juditness> brb
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[02:26] <Himitsu> hi Sapphire!
[02:26] <Sapphire> hi
[02:26] <Sapphire> very quiet around these parts now.
[02:27] <Himitsu> yeah
[02:27] <Himitsu> obany doesn't like to talk here anymore
[02:27] <Sapphire> he stays in #poleshiftdiscussion
[02:27] <Himitsu> stays=hides
[02:27] <Sapphire> right.
[02:27] <Himitsu> heh
[02:28] <Himitsu> getting ready for the summer no doubth
[02:28] <Himitsu> doubt
[02:28] <Himitsu> =)
[02:28] <Sapphire> I was in there for a minute, then he booted me.
[02:28] <Himitsu> big shock there
[02:29] <Sapphire> I'm not supposed to see the recruitment tactics, I guess.
[02:29] <Himitsu> lol
[02:29] <Himitsu> step one: look for brain dead people
[02:30] <Sapphire> I got a kick out of your posts on sci.astro that infuriated him so much.
[02:30] <Sapphire> ...about living with mom and dad...
[02:30] <Himitsu> lol
[02:30] <Himitsu> hehehe
[02:30] <Himitsu> you should have seen him here
[02:30] <Himitsu> he was in rare form
[02:31] <Himitsu> but it is funny. talks game and acts like he is a believer, but lives with his parents
[02:31] <Himitsu> in a country that is going to flood during the non-event
[02:31] <Himitsu> talk about a hypocrite
[02:31] <Sapphire> I suspect he may see this as a role-playing-game of some kind.
[02:32] <Sapphire> Living two lives.
[02:32] <Sapphire> He likes to "sigh" alot.
[02:32] <Himitsu> I hadn't noticed he was even living one
[02:32] <Himitsu> yeah
[02:32] <Himitsu> because we can't understand his cult
[02:33] <Sapphire> I wonder if he realizes that Nancy is technically a traitor to her own country.
[02:33] <Sapphire> And he actually respects her.
[02:33] <Sapphire> And THAT is bad karma.
[02:34] <Himitsu> LOL
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[02:34] <Sapphire> He ran away.
[02:34] <Himitsu> he used to be very worried about my karma
[02:34] <Himitsu> I think he gave up
[02:34] <Himitsu> =)
[02:34] <Himitsu> like usual
[02:34] <Himitsu> !users
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[02:35] <Himitsu> lol
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[05:57] <planetx> hi
[05:57] <planetx> how are you?
[05:57] <planetx> how are you,z
[05:57] <z> you know how it is
[05:57] <planetx> :)
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[05:58] <planetx> is everyone here?
[05:58] <Odd> some are
[05:59] <planetx> something new?:)
[05:59] <planetx> odd?
[05:59] <planetx> :)
[05:59] <Odd> yes, many new things
[06:00] <planetx> for example
[06:00] <planetx> :)
[06:00] <planetx> abaout planet?:)
[06:00] <planetx> will america attach Iraq
[06:00] <planetx> ?:)
[06:01] <planetx> a?
[06:01] <z> a is 55, afaik
[06:01] <planetx> :)
[06:01] <planetx> z,will iraq attcach Iraq
[06:01] <z> planetx: i'm not following you...
[06:01] <Odd> forget a
[06:01] <z> Odd: I forgot a
[06:01] <planetx> :)
[06:01] <Odd> america will attack iraq
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[06:01] <Odd> that has been the plan for months
[06:01] <planetx> z,what do you know for me?
[06:01] <z> bugger all, i dunno, planetx
[06:01] <Odd> the whole "Debate" over whther we were going to or not was just a show, a formality
[06:02] <planetx> so
[06:02] <planetx> what about planetx?:)
[06:02] <planetx> what zetas saay
[06:02] <planetx> ?:)
[06:02] <planetx> doesnt it stop the war?:)
[06:04] <planetx> ?:)
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[06:06] <Himitsu> Odd
[06:06] <Odd> ?
[06:06] <Himitsu> sorry, not you
[06:06] <Himitsu> he was odd
[06:07] <Odd> lol
[06:07] <Odd> k hehe
[06:07] <Himitsu> hehe
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[09:40] <Frank> hey
[09:40] <Frank> are you guys having trouble getting into poleshift discussion?
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[10:11] <ojabun> hello
[10:11] <Cruithne> hiya
[10:11] <BC> hey
[10:12] <ojabun> are you preparing yet?
[10:12] <BC> most of my taxes have been prepared
[10:12] <ojabun> it's to unreal for me,yet i feel it in my bones that we're sliding off
[10:12] <BC> the deficit is sliding into a lot of red ink
[10:13] <ojabun> you gonna pack your car and drive off inland?
[10:13] <BC> no way... i think nancy is nuts...
[10:13] <ojabun> ah ic
[10:13] <Cruithne> i gotta walk cause my car is got a flat
[10:13] <ojabun> hehe,i only got a bike
[10:14] <Cruithne> but i hope it not a long walk cause i get tired easly from doing anything besides eating
[10:14] <BC> so much for amateur sightings since the summer of 2002
[10:14] <ojabun> i don't know..i think nancy is real
[10:14] <ojabun> i just hope she wrong about the date
[10:15] <ojabun> i need more time to reach entlightment
[10:15] <BC> nothing visible on the way in
[10:15] <Cruithne> only dots that is supposedly px
[10:15] <Cruithne> dots, can u believe that
[10:15] <Cruithne> geesh
[10:16] <BC> to think the world crashes in 4 months...
[10:16] <BC> i would have expected ore
[10:16] <BC> more
[10:16] <Cruithne> well finally people can get back to nature
[10:17] <ojabun> i think nancy is only one with px,though some quatrains of nostradamus might say the same...'the one so long hidden in the dark,comes to renew the centuries'..or stuff like that....but all the prophets say the same,earth gonna be flooded
[10:17] <BC> no way...
[10:17] <Cruithne> it's suppose to be fire this time not flood
[10:17] <BC> yup
[10:17] <BC> all the swirling moons...
[10:18] <Cruithne> fire & brimstone
[10:18] <BC> from PX...
[10:18] <Cruithne> nobody knows
[10:18] <ojabun> nostradamus is very precise man..he says stuff like'cause mankind believed to hard in the good..they will all go down,the big filled theatre will drown'
[10:18] <BC> waiting for nancy to backtrack post 5/15
[10:18] <Cruithne> just biblical folklore
[10:19] <BC> nostradamus was a fake & a freak...
[10:19] <BC> like the 1999 prediction that never came either
[10:19] <Cruithne> freak ...gosh
[10:19] <ojabun> what better word to describe reality of today...it's one big theatre our world...noone is real
[10:19] <ojabun> yea bc,i worry about that..cause he said there be entlightment before this all
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[10:20] <ojabun> and than in 99 some asshole took over....so maybe entlightment had to happen in 98
[10:20] <QueenVee> so so sad
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[10:20] <Cruithne> boo who
[10:20] <BC> nostradamus...big fake...
[10:21] <ojabun> i don't care that much that earth will flip...i mean mankind coudn't ever be straightend out with reason anyway...but entlightment is needed for us to grow on,and beeing entlighted...beeing real,makes it lot easyer to surfive doom...dying than means nothing
[10:21] <BC> to reach 4d nirvana...
[10:22] <Cruithne> al we r is dust in the wind i hear someone sing once
[10:22] <BC> cruit.. you kraut...:)
[10:22] <Cruithne> i mean almost a quarter million die daily
[10:22] <Cruithne> daily
[10:23] <Cruithne> :)
[10:23] <BC> not to mention the aborted...
[10:23] <Cruithne> some even think they r crown of creation
[10:23] <BC> the bug like zetas?
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[10:24] <Cruithne> & being into zeta talk won't save anyone
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[10:25] <BC> i am awaiting nancy's excuses when nothing happens...
[10:25] <Cruithne> oh, i give benifit of doubt
[10:25] <Cruithne> as i don't kow her experonce
[10:25] <BC> i called ashtar command who diverted it months ago...
[10:26] <ojabun> nancy is real
[10:26] <ojabun> i know it
[10:26] <ojabun> thought doesn't mean all she says is solid truth
[10:26] <Cruithne> i do believe a pole shift is soon just as to date ....welllllll
[10:26] <Cruithne> i keep alert
[10:26] <BC> i think nancy is nuts...
[10:26] <Cruithne> just in case
[10:27] <ojabun> she says lotsa crap..that there 198 particles inside an elektron
[10:27] <BC> i have beer stashed...
[10:27] <ojabun> or that there are gay zeta's
[10:27] <ojabun> all her science is made up by herself
[10:27] <BC> there are gay zetas per nancy...
[10:27] <Cruithne> alot of political talk for sure
[10:27] <ojabun> but it don't matter to her...she just needs to warn us
[10:28] <BC> she has no science to back up her claims...
[10:28] <Odd> no... she just needs to get famous and make a little money in the process
[10:28] <BC> they circle noise and say there it is...
[10:28] <Odd> yeah, then refuse to average out the noise
[10:28] <BC> it is 4 months away and we still get noise specks for proof
[10:28] <Odd> which any real astronomer would scoff at
[10:28] <Cruithne> if she hasn't made her $ yet , well i think it's to late now
[10:28] <ojabun> you don't feel we're sliding away?
[10:28] <Odd> uhhh.. she's made a great deal, cruithne
[10:29] <Odd> go to the TT website and look at their annual reports
[10:29] <BC> nancy gets $$$ for this???
[10:29] <Cruithne> really
[10:29] <Odd> TT, Inc. pulled in $55,000 last year, tax free
[10:29] <Cruithne> how from books?
[10:29] <Odd> not bad for 2 hours of weork every saturday
[10:29] <Odd> books, donations...
[10:29] <BC> she has hydroponics up there i heard...
[10:29] <Odd> and?
[10:29] <Odd> i can set up a comprehensive hydro system for $200
[10:30] <BC> oh... that is not much then...
[10:30] <Odd> indeed it's not.
[10:30] <Cruithne> how is it set up to be tax free
[10:30] <Odd> TT, Inc. is not-for-profit
[10:30] <Cruithne> oh
[10:30] <BC> Odd, nancy is for profit...
[10:30] <Odd> or at least is registered that way with the gov't
[10:30] <Cruithne> yes
[10:31] <BC> i suspect she will be arrested after 5/15/3
[10:31] <Odd> there's not really any crime
[10:31] <BC> violation of Patriot Act...
[10:31] <Odd> using that logic, icke shoulda been arrested ages ago
[10:31] <ojabun> i found a site that says after 7 april
[10:31] <BC> threats against the president
[10:31] <Odd> EVERYTHING violates the PATRIOT act
[10:31] <BC> icke is british...
[10:31] <ojabun> and nostradamus has a date in may also about desaster...though not a year
[10:31] <Odd> that's what it was passed for
[10:31] <BC> lol... Mr. Odd...
[10:31] <Odd> it's true, man
[10:32] <BC> Patriotism is against the Patriot Act....
[10:32] <Odd> omg, nostradamus....
[10:32] <ojabun> gordon micheal scallian didn't say anything about this year
[10:32] <Odd> i won't even comment
[10:32] <BC> scallion is a moron
[10:32] <Odd> if you actually think there's some merit in nostradamus, you need to do more research
[10:33] <Odd> although I've said the same to ZT'ers, and no matter how manby facts they hear, they just won't acceptit
[10:33] <Odd> accept it*
[10:33] <ojabun> heh..wait wait
[10:33] <ojabun> all you critics
[10:33] <ojabun> you 'believers'
[10:33] <ojabun> without knowing how to know
[10:33] <ojabun> i can presume you all think spirit is crap also
[10:34] <ojabun> that there is no such thing as spiritforce
[10:34] <Odd> no, i think there may be some kind of thing like that
[10:34] <BC> hey wow, px is inbound and no one can see it...???
[10:34] <Cruithne> what has that got to do with px
[10:34] <Odd> no, PX is *not* inbound, and no one can see it.
[10:34] <Odd> that's WHY no one can see it.
[10:34] <BC> it is covered in red ash...
[10:34] <Odd> we can see red ash just fine
[10:34] <BC> it is a brown dwarf
[10:34] <BC> home of the annunaki...
[10:34] <ojabun> well..go to a local psychic and pay for an hour,and you will get proof that there is spirit...and that spirit has no time..and so can predict what is about to come
[10:34] <BC> who are mining phobos for gold
[10:34] <Odd> brown dwarves are bigger than jupiter
[10:35] <Odd> and are plenty visible
[10:35] <BC> PX is a rogue planet...
[10:35] <ojabun> and anyone saying nostradamus is crap...has never researched him
[10:35] <Odd> there' no gold on phobos =\
[10:35] <BC> nostradamus is crap...
[10:35] <Odd> uhhh.. just the opposite, ojabun
[10:35] <Cruithne> lol
[10:35] <BC> Odd.. the annunaki are mining gold from phobos while we speak!!
[10:35] <Odd> i could write 400 vague sentences today and be revered in the future, to
[10:35] * ojabun slaps BC around a bit with a large trout
[10:35] <Odd> too*
[10:36] <BC> wow.. give me the trout..:)
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[10:36] <ojabun> nostradamus is more precise than history books even
[10:36] <Odd> uhhh.. what make syou thinkg that?
[10:36] <Odd> I did a paper on him
[10:36] <Odd> quite  alot of reserach
[10:36] <Odd> his most famous "predictions" are mere coincidence
[10:36] <Odd> some can even be blatantly disproven
[10:37] <Odd> like the Hister - Hitler connection
[10:37] <Odd> Hister was just the name for a river
[10:37] <Cruithne> oh yeah i read that 1
[10:37] <Odd> also a lot of his quatrains were translated very poorly
[10:37] <ojabun> hear what he says about hitler:'the big man,that never been wurth much...when he sees all is lost,he does an amazing thing at the dinner table..and shoots himself'
[10:37] <Odd> there have even been many purely fake quatrains
[10:37] <ojabun> was not a presice quote,only from my mind
[10:37] <Odd> ojabun, he was talking about a river
[10:37] <ojabun> nah man
[10:37] <Odd> and it makes far more sense in the context of the river
[10:38] <Odd> trust mew
[10:38] <Odd> -w
[10:38] <Odd> www.google.com
[10:38] <ojabun> i used to think nostra was crap also...so i can understand
[10:38] <Odd> look for Nostradamus Hister
[10:38] <BC> Odd.. i only trust zetatalk
[10:38] <Odd> lol
[10:38] <ojabun> untill i gotten paranormal myself
[10:38] <Cruithne> lol
[10:38] <BC> only zetatalk is 100% accurate
[10:38] <ojabun> he calls gorbasjov 'the man of blood'
[10:38] <Odd> yeah, except about the election, the chandra levy case, the LAWS OF PHYSICS
[10:39] <BC> lol... Mr. Odd.. these are minor points...
[10:39] <ojabun> he says about napoleon:the man that been given an conquer name by his mother'
[10:39] <Odd> he wasn't talking about napoleon
[10:39] <BC> the levy explanation was such a joke i never believed nancy after that
[10:39] <ojabun> he not just predicts what comes...he gives the causes also
[10:39] <Odd> trust me dude, read the facts
[10:39] <Odd> there was also a summit of the Yale Scholar's Society just recently about notra..
[10:40] <ojabun> i reckon you say all paranormal is crap
[10:40] <Odd> at the end, after hearing a LONG debate from both sides, all but one voted that he was a fake
[10:40] <Cruithne> no
[10:40] <ojabun> what you doing inhere anyway?
[10:40] <Odd> i don't say that
[10:40] <Odd> i already said i think there may be something liek a spirit
[10:41] <BC> zetas are right, scallion is right, nostradamus was right...
[10:41] <BC> end of discussion...
[10:41] <ojabun> well,youre a total non-critic saying nostra is fake...it like you reading the donald duck and inbetween take a peak at nostra....don't regocnise nothing and say he is fake...and go back reading your comics
[10:41] <Odd> what?
[10:41] <Odd> what are you babbling about?
[10:42] <BC> nostradamus on 1999 never happened...
[10:42] <Odd> i've done a GREAT deal of research on nostradamus
[10:42] <Odd> i did an extensive research paper on him
[10:42] <BC> odd.. why waist your time?
[10:42] <BC> waste
[10:42] <Odd> before i did, i thought there was some merit to him
[10:42] <Odd> then i read the facts
[10:42] <Odd> christianity never fell in 1995
[10:42] <Odd> hate to break it to ya
[10:42] <BC> he is not part of the Grail?
[10:42] <ojabun> heh..how do you know,maybe that 99 thing..about great asshole coming from heaven....just ment he gotten born
[10:43] <ojabun> you have to be carefull
[10:43] <BC> no way.. nostradamus is blaspheme...
[10:43] <Odd> nostradamus was just a very VERY smart man
[10:43] <Odd> spent his time as a healer before he wrote prophecies
[10:43] <BC> it is notre dame.. not nostradamus
[10:43] <BC> nostra damus means our man...
[10:43] <ojabun> which you are not...you are easy,without any ground of knowing anything....except your culture you grew up in
[10:43] <Odd> he was one of the only healers touting cleanliness and proper diet as a way to stay healthy
[10:43] <Odd> he was brilliant
[10:43] <obany> Michel de Notre Dame or so .. not sure anymore
[10:44] <Odd> and so he realized that he could become very famous, even in his OWN time, by writing these very carefully worder "predictions"
[10:44] <Odd> worded*
[10:44] <BC> i have been looking for PX in my amateur scope but to no avail..
[10:44] <Odd> that's because it isn't there, BC
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[10:45] <Odd> a brown dwarf would be much larger than jupiter
[10:45] <Odd> not 5x larger than earth
[10:45] <Odd> it would just be a gas planet then
[10:45] <ojabun> i read nostradamus...just to get right light on reality of today,like saying our world today is nothing but a theatre....how can anyone describe or world of today more devine,that's exactly what it is...'an big filled theatre'
[10:45] <Odd> there's no way for there to be a red and white persona...
[10:45] <Odd> red IS white
[10:45] <Odd> or at least a part of it
[10:45] <Odd> so the "white" persona would really be a rainbow streak
[10:45] <BC> Odd... so true.. red and white locations makes 0 sense
[10:45] <Odd> but of course it doesnt' hapen anyway
[10:45] <BC> zetas said so...
[10:46] <BC> Odd, you are only human, you should look up to the zetas as a higher source
[10:46] <Odd> ojabun, other philosophers have said even truer words through the ages... does that make THEM prophets, as well?
[10:46] <ojabun> everyone is fake and crap...noone sees reality anymore,everyone just acts to go along...and noone dares to admid all our grounds of reason has vanished...we are just going along with the masses without having a clue where we going...without that anyone has a plan
[10:46] <Odd> a higher source of what? of backwards logic and helpless claims?
[10:46] <ojabun> a big theatre
[10:47] <Odd> yes i understand, oja, but the same has been said by many men
[10:47] <Odd> i hardly see how that's validation of prophecy
[10:47] <ojabun> ic..
[10:47] <Odd> you must not understand =\
[10:47] <Odd> oh well
[10:47] <Odd> i suggest you do some reading
[10:48] <Odd> clear your mind a bit
[10:48] <Odd> being fooled by others can be entertaining, but it can also lead to a great deal of trouble
[10:48] <ojabun> yea..there aind no absolute truth
[10:49] <ojabun> what was i thinking
[10:49] <BC> wait, why read when 5/15/3 is so close...??
[10:49] <ojabun> there is no cause and effect
[10:49] <BC> head for the hills now...
[10:49] <Odd> lol
[10:49] <BC> sell everything and put the kids up for adoption ASAP
[10:49] <ojabun> it all just chaos..without that anything connects with eachother,we can do what we want don't we
[10:49] <Odd> and stick a red hot poker in your eye, cuz the zetas said so!
[10:50] <Odd> yes ojabun
[10:50] <BC> if nanzetas says you have to do it...
[10:50] <Odd> hahahaha nanzetas
[10:50] <ojabun> yea..the scientists are right...there is no truth,it just all genes...and we can change the genes,we can do what we want
[10:51] <Odd> uhhh
[10:51] <Odd> what?
[10:51] <Odd> now you're just not making sense.
[10:51] <BC> i have pictures of the hybrids.. there is a colony near my house
[10:51] <Odd> can i see your pictures, BC?
[10:51] <Odd> ;p
[10:52] <ojabun> oh yea,aliens...isn't that the biggest joke of all
[10:52] <BC> Mr Odd.. i would send them to you but the FBI took them
[10:52] <BC> all i have are copies...
[10:52] <Odd> ah, of course :)
[10:52] <BC> so you would say they are fake so it would prove nothing
[10:52] <Odd> damn those pesky FBI folks!
[10:52] <ojabun> i mean..if can't get civilised...how hell could other planets...let alone if there other planets having life...i never seen one..you?
[10:52] <BC> first they said CIA, then Mossad, then NSA...
[10:53] <BC> ojabun, there are annunaki on phobos...
[10:53] <BC> and on secret moon bases...
[10:53] <Odd> ojabun, are you actually suggesting that there is not intelligent life other than Earth?
[10:53] <Odd> that's crazy
[10:53] <BC> Odd... per zetas...true...!!
[10:53] <ojabun> you believe in annunaki on pobos..but not in nostradamus?
[10:53] <Odd> he is joking
[10:53] <BC> lmao...!!!
[10:53] <Odd> and i don't believe either.
[10:53] <ojabun> hah..off course
[10:53] <BC> me neither Mr Odd...
[10:54] <Odd> oja, i urge you to do some research
[10:54] <Odd> you'll pretty quickly find that he was a fraud
[10:54] <ojabun> yea..what a crap isn't....reality is just way our minds see it,nothing else
[10:54] <Odd> but a great man nonetheless
[10:54] <Odd> he did a lot for science, philosophy, medicine...
[10:54] <Odd> well of course
[10:54] <Odd> but our "minds" themselves are just an interaction of trillions of neurons
[10:54] <ojabun> nah..prolly was just for money wasn't it
[10:55] <Odd> our "self" is really just an illusion
[10:55] <BC> Mr Odd... how about Cayce??
[10:55] <Odd> because it's the best way to deal with stuff
[10:55] <ojabun> hence..there is no history even,they all made it up
[10:55] <Odd> cayce?
[10:55] <ojabun> it all a invention for money
[10:55] <Odd> uhh
[10:55] <ojabun> isn't it?
[10:55] <BC> cayce was somewhat real....
[10:55] <Odd> ojabun, what the hell are you talking about?
[10:55] <ojabun> i mean..whoever seen jesus?
[10:55] <Odd> i don't know anything about cayce
[10:55] <BC> Edgar Cayce??
[10:56] <ojabun> nah,he was just on drugs
[10:56] <Odd> doesn't ring a bell
[10:56] <ojabun> the mind can do amazing stuff
[10:56] <Odd> surely it can
[10:56] <ojabun> shrinks have proven it
[10:56] <BC> no way... some of his predictions were right on the money....
[10:56] <Odd> common sense proves it
[10:56] <Odd> i can calculate a 5 step differential calculus equation in a fifth of a second
[10:56] <ojabun> haha..bc believes in predictions!!!
[10:56] <Odd> just catch a ball ;)
[10:56] <ojabun> bc is a nutcase
[10:57] <Odd> ojabun... you're talking about nostradamus
[10:57] <Odd> i don't think you have a leg to stand on
[10:57] <Odd> nostradamus believers these days are very rare, for a reason
[10:57] <Odd> and they also tend to not have read very much about him
[10:57] <ojabun> why don't you shut up...untill you find out what knowing is
[10:57] <Odd> ...
[10:58] <ojabun> cause you don't even know how to know anything
[10:58] <BC> by mr odd...
[10:58] <Odd> now you've just sunk to using personal attack
[10:58] <Odd> s
[10:58] <BC> bye
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[10:58] <ojabun> i don't understand what critics do inhere
[10:58] <Odd> why is it that all of you folks that support these false things always just fall back on insulting your enemy because you have no evidence?
[10:58] <Odd> it's very childish
[10:59] <Odd> if I'm supporting something with no evidence, I'll just be honest and say "i just think it's true."
[10:59] <Odd> although that doesn't happen very much, because things with no evidence are usually like that for a reason.
[10:59] <Odd> namely, they aren't true.
[11:00] <ojabun> it very simple...mr odd,pay 50$ to a psychic person in your town...and you get all the prove you want....so shut up about discussing things you don't know about
[11:01] <Odd> au contrair, I think it's you that don't know about these things
[11:01] <Odd> I keep raising points
[11:01] <Odd> while all you can do is insult me
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[11:01] <Odd> that would suggest that I actually KNOW what I'm talking about, whereas you do not.
[11:01] <Odd> but that's just my take on the situation
[11:01] <Odd> maybe I'm wrong
[11:03] <Odd> hi cosmic
[11:03] <cosmic> lo Odd
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[11:09] <Cruithne> makes sense to me
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[12:16] <cosmic> so what do you think is the trouble with these times, ojabun?
[12:37] <ojabun> you have a week to listen?
[12:38] <ojabun> in one sentence:'we are drifting away from the real thing'
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[12:48] * Jesus slaps Buddha around a bit with a large trout
[12:48] <Jesus> that'll learn ya!
[12:49] <Dsarith> Hi Jesus
[12:49] <Jesus> howdy
[12:49] <Jesus> what's up?
[12:49] <Dsarith> Nothing
[12:49] <z> Nothing is true...
[12:49] <Dsarith> :-)
[12:49] <Jesus> ha ha
[12:49] <Jesus> i like the report from the russian military source talking about how a war date has already been chosen
[12:50] <Jesus> it states the obvious, but still interesting
[12:50] <Dsarith> Whats the date
[12:50] <z> it has been said that the date is Freax's cool scientist chick with glasses
[12:50] <Dsarith> lol
[12:50] <Jesus> mid to late feb
[12:50] <Dsarith> Hey I dated her
[12:50] <Jesus> nice. i was supposedly celibate
[12:51] <Dsarith> Then they actually dont have a date
[12:51] <Jesus> more like a window
[12:52] <Dsarith> Yep
[12:52] <Dsarith> I am good with war... Population reduction, economic growth etc
[12:52] <Jesus> more like humanitarian crisis, economic detonation
[12:53] <Dsarith> Nah... Think about it in terms of China, not being offensive to anyone. IF there were no wars in history, over crowding would be rampant.
[12:53] <Dsarith> Of course, we would probably be in space by now if that were so
[12:54] <Jesus> wars are a giant step backwards. china is offensive to people inside its own borders. it's too busy ethnically cleansing to look outwards right now
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[12:55] <Dsarith> True however the fact that they are over crowded is because they have not been to war for centuries
[12:55] <Jesus> WWII wasn't a cakewalk for places like nanking, etc.
[12:56] <Dsarith> No war is good, but I think its a necessary evil or at least it has been
[12:57] <Jesus> well it seems self-evident that war has been necessary in getting us where we are right now (whether bad or good), but it's time to cut the crap and not start wars for the benefit of a group of old white men and israel
[12:59] <Dsarith> I tend to agree with you on this one.
[13:00] <Jesus> right on
[13:00] <Dsarith> One sec on phone
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[13:33] <Dsarith> Are you there Jesus
[13:33] <Dsarith> Thats a loaded Question
[13:33] <willshell> yes my child
[13:33] <Dsarith> hmmm
[13:33] <Dsarith> lol
[13:33] <ojabun> i called jesus other night
[13:33] <Dsarith> Did he answer?
[13:34] <Jesus> hallo
[13:34] <ojabun> all i get back from him is this infinitive light hitting me...can tell him anything,all i get back is this infinity
[13:34] <ojabun> rather useless to my vain
[13:34] <Dsarith> Ok back to the war thing... War is a necessary Evil
[13:34] <Jesus> to clear that up, ojabun, jesus is an archetype, no more. he's not the son of god, etc. etc.
[13:34] <Jesus> ok
[13:35] <Jesus> the state of the union address will surely be interesting
[13:35] <Cruithne> is he the son of joe
[13:35] <Jesus> jesus might have been real as a MAN, but there's no way to go back in time and look at it actually happen. the bible is a not-so-pleasant fiction that has been blown out of proportion in order to give the church its power
[13:37] <Dsarith> I am a christian and I believe Christ was the son of God. I also believe in the creation theory based on the lack of evidence presented by science. Evolution just doesnt hold the keys or answers
[13:37] <Cruithne> is the prwz gonna be on Tv
[13:38] <Dsarith> Man is way too complex to have evolved
[13:38] <Dsarith> Adapt yes evolved no
[13:38] <Jesus> there's no real historical evidence for jesus' existence, and there definitely would have been some for such a momentous person
[13:38] <Jesus> yes bush will be on tv on the 28th
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[13:38] <Dsarith> Granted, that is where ones faith must be intact.
[13:38] <Dsarith> Hi Me
[13:38] <me> hello
[13:39] <Jesus> well the whole faith thing is pretty ambiguous. i could have faith in joozes or something and it really doesn't mean anything else
[13:39] <Dsarith> True Jesus
[13:40] <Jesus> the whole cool thing about jesus is the logic involved
[13:40] <Cruithne> who thought of it
[13:40] <Jesus> the whole concept of giving without remuneration is something that i can dig
[13:40] <Jesus> some people in the late 100s AD
[13:40] <Jesus> that's when all the gospels were written
[13:40] <Jesus> and they're copied from older texts
[13:41] <Jesus> like the epic of gilgamesh and the ctuhu mythos
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[13:41] <Guest> hi ppl
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[13:41] <Dsarith> Hi MF
[13:41] <Odd> hello...
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[13:41] <Jesus> what's up odd
[13:41] * Odd is currently listening to MF Grimm - Freedom
[13:42] <Odd> how ironic
[13:42] <Jesus> indeed
[13:42] <mF> I dont speak engleash very well i am a russian
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[13:42] <Douch3> hi
[13:43] <Jesus> clever, doosh
[13:43] <ojabun> how is russia these days?
[13:43] <Dsarith> Hi Douch again and no problem MF
[13:43] <Jesus> russia is cold
[13:43] <Douch3> sorry my other nick was in use
[13:43] <Douch3> still in the other channel :)
[13:43] <ojabun> do you hear about predicted changes in russia?
[13:43] <mF> Do you belieave in that ???
[13:43] <Dsarith> Douch its good you came in here because here is the other side of the argument
[13:44] <Dsarith> Hey Jesus
[13:44] <mF> douch3 whit channel?
[13:44] <Dsarith> Is there a planet X
[13:44] <Douch3> mF:#poleshiftdiscussion
[13:44] <mF> senx
[13:45] <Jesus> what's up dsarith
[13:45] <Jesus> planet X?
[13:45] <z> hmmm... planet X is believable
[13:45] <Jesus> nope
[13:45] <Dsarith> Why not
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[13:45] <Jesus> the whole theory of planet X is based upon misinterpretations of the whole sumerian thing with sitchin
[13:45] <Dsarith> Douch3 came to here the logic of why not
[13:46] <Jesus> the basis for it is very weak
[13:46] <Douch3> it doesnt take a genious to see the huge geological changes
[13:46] <Douch3> im not saying it is comming
[13:46] <Jesus> yeah, but why does PX have to do stuff with that?
[13:46] <Dsarith> Douch3. BTW the middle of the road channel is Earthchanges
[13:46] <Jesus> the whole pole shift phenomenon isn't too far out there
[13:47] <Douch3> thx Dsarith :)
[13:47] <Dsarith> No problem
[13:47] <Douch3> ok lets say it is
[13:47] <Jesus> ok
[13:47] <Dsarith> He is correct on the Geological patterns of today and history something is causing changes... What is it
[13:47] <Jesus> probably a number of factors
[13:48] <Jesus> and most likely, it's an explanation that we can't pinpoint
[13:48] <Jesus> sorry to be so vague
[13:48] <Douch3> ok now lets take a look at todays quake
[13:48] <Douch3> quite big
[13:48] <Cruithne> pole shift is 1 thing  px is another i believe a pole shift is coming soon
[13:49] <Jesus> pole shift within the next 100 years
[13:49] <Dsarith> What is causing the poleshift if not a planet>
[13:49] <Jesus> earth's natural cycles
[13:49] <Douch3> theres a huge increase of quakes all over the globe
[13:49] <Jesus> ok
[13:49] <Odd> no there isnt'
[13:50] <Odd> that's been shown false again and again
[13:50] <Cruithne> yes natural cycle of things
[13:50] <Douch3> also the weither is crazy all over the world
[13:50] <Douch3> a few months ago they had snow in the sahara
[13:50] <Douch3> go figure
[13:51] <Cruithne> cayce spoke of pole shift
[13:51] <Jesus> wow
[13:51] <ojabun> i heard about a quake in mexico yesterday..7.4 or so
[13:51] <Dsarith> 7.8 in mexico
[13:51] <Cruithne> there was a 5 in same area today
[13:52] <Jesus> called an aftershock
[13:52] <Dsarith> Lets not forget the quakes in Sumatra
[13:52] <ojabun> it started with the quakes and eruptions in italy last october
[13:52] <Dsarith>  http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&q=earthquake+%2B+sumatra&btnG=Search+News
[13:52] <ojabun> we went into the last cycle
[13:52] <Cruithne>  it started with the the ice sheets melting
[13:53] <Douch3> so we are heading for a waterworld scenario?
[13:54] <Cruithne> just a change
[13:54] <Dsarith> Poleshift will happen before that scenerio
[13:55] <cosmic> there were earthquakes after the 1999 eclipse too
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[13:55] <Dsarith> Hey brewster
[13:55] <Dsarith> Hows your day
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[13:55] <cosmic> earthquakes always follow eclipses
[13:56] <Douch3> jean dixon also spoke of a pole shift
[13:56] <Douch3> back in 1978
[13:56] <Douch3> Jean Dixon
[13:56] <Douch3> The well known American psychic made a rather startling observation in January, 1978 (especially in the light of concerns regarding fears of world population explosion):
[13:56] <Douch3> "... overpopulation of the planet in this century was not going to be a problem. Something literally earth shattering occurs... a natural phenomenon which, I believe, will be divine intervention, something like a METEOR. It will happen in a matter of minutes and will involve the shifting of waters..." (My emphasis)
[13:58] <ojabun> they all say it
[13:59] <ojabun> every single dude that sees
[14:00] <ojabun> with as reason...that mankind didn't move up
[14:01] <cosmic> did you read "worlds in collision" immanuel velikovsky?
[14:01] <ojabun> 'cosmic laws are ruled with an iron hand'
[14:01] <ojabun> what that book says?
[14:02] <cosmic> he says that mankind has a collective memory of a time when the world came close to collision. all was turned upside down. things floated in the sky, etc etc
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[14:02] <cosmic> I read it because it reminded me of dreams I used to have
[14:02] <cosmic> of tree trunks floating in the sky
[14:03] <cosmic> and fireballs descending to earth
[14:04] <ojabun> i just find it wierd that i seam to be only one that sees this all as logical effect of our own misbehaviour
[14:04] <cosmic> I shouldn't worry ojabun, you're probably just crazy
[14:04] <Douch3> nope i see it like that aswell
[14:05] <cosmic> can you imagine a sky with large objects floating in it? things like logs, telegraph poles, rocks
[14:06] <ojabun> we where supposed to get real..and find the right balanse,we didn't...we gave outselves up as effects,and so lean over the edge...and it no wonder that we will fall off the edge as effect...cause there is nothing there new..the goal was an balanse,and we didn't reach it...and so..we're doomed,we get what we asked for
[14:06] <Douch3> that would be weird i agree
[14:06] <Jesus> why would there be a deadline for all this?
[14:06] <ojabun> that's way ic it
[14:06] <cosmic> well, there is probably a ms project plan, jesu
[14:07] <ojabun> no..nature is like,you can have all you want....but if you want doom,you get that also
[14:07] <ojabun> i mean...where is mankind growing to?
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[14:08] <ojabun> ask any kid...what the perpus of beeing alive
[14:08] <ojabun> they will have no clue
[14:08] <ojabun> yet,10 years ago...we where still growing
[14:08] <Jesus> it's not over, ojabun
[14:08] <ojabun> growing to who knows what...but we where
[14:10] <ojabun> but at some point..like 94,we where done growing...but nothing happened,noone stood up saying..'we are there now,now we can stop searching...and turn this world into an balanse'...no nothing happened,ppl instead gave themselves up as effect of faith...yet nothing still happened,yet time continued...and we just slided off the balanse into the nothing
[14:10] <ojabun> and since last october..into darkness
[14:11] <ojabun> it seams nothing but logic that as effect the earth will flip
[14:13] <ojabun> i just fear that it will not solve much...there still nothing to continue towards after it
[14:13] <ojabun> without entlightment
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[14:31] <Douch3> Jean Dixon
[14:31] <Douch3> The well known American psychic made a rather startling observation in January, 1978 (especially in the light of concerns regarding fears of world population explosion):
[14:31] <Douch3> "... overpopulation of the planet in this century was not going to be a problem. Something literally earth shattering occurs... a natural phenomenon which, I believe, will be divine intervention, something like a METEOR. It will happen in a matter of minutes and will involve the shifting of waters..." (My emphasis)
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[14:35] <Jesus> http://skepdic.com/dixon.html
[14:36] <Jesus> just to even out the playing field on that quote
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[17:12] <fred> hello
[17:12] <z> salut, fred
[17:13] <fred> so eh, this is  the zeta talk chat room, right?
[17:13] <fred> seems kinda quiet in here
[17:13] <fred> is anyone talking?
[17:14] <fred> hmm hello?
[17:14] <fred> ok then, geuss I will be leaving this room
[17:14] <fred> gnight everyone
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[17:30] <funky> hello?
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[17:30] <eric> haha it says funky jesus
[17:30] <eric> now thats interesting
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[17:31] <eric> er well it did
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[20:03] <zzman> Troubled Times believes that a world-wide cataclysm, of massive proportions, will strike the Earth in the year 2003. The cause of this natural event will be a monster planet, known to the ancients but as yet undiscovered by modern man, which will pass very near the earth as part of its normal 3,600 year orbit around the sun.
[20:03] <zzman> Do y'all agree???
[20:05] <zzman> Do y'all agree?
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[20:08] <zzman> What do you think abouth the stuff I posted, before I got kicked off?
[20:14] <Buddha> it's wrong
[20:14] <Buddha> ewll
[20:14] <Buddha> it's right, but the facts aren't straight
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