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[09:12] <Douch3> hello
[09:12] <z> hi, Douch3
[09:15] <Dsarith> Hiya Douch3
[09:15] <Dsarith> Hey Z
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[10:00] <Dsarith> Jesus are you here
[10:00] <Dsarith> Budda is mediating again
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[11:26] <Jesus> well, i'm here now
[11:26] <Cruithne> great
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[11:33] <ojabun> you don't feel the changes cosmic
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[11:33] <ojabun> i feel more and more like i have to hold on to a tree or something to keep my balanse
[11:34] <ojabun> i'm seriously thinking to sell my stuff and get a giant loan and run for higher grounds
[11:34] <ojabun> before the crowds finaly realise that beeing loose from 'god'..doesn't go without effects
[11:34] <cosmic> no one will give u a loan
[11:36] <ojabun> i got a creditcard..could get 2500 euro at least i think
[11:36] <ojabun> maybe a loan of 10000 or so
[11:36] <cosmic> apply for more credit cards
[11:36] <ojabun> i could sell the stuff i got,my guitar..my stereo,my vcr
[11:37] <ojabun> my pc
[11:37] <Cruithne> i'll sell my dog for top $ with a guarant4ee that it'll bite
[11:37] <cosmic> why don't u just move into a 10th storey flat?
[11:37] <ojabun> i would need to learn to drive a car within a week though,so i can steal one and drive off with suplies
[11:37] <ojabun> cause no building will be high or strong enough
[11:38] <ojabun> it is written:it will feel like the earth is tunbling into eternal darkness
[11:38] <cosmic> I am going to sit here and meditate when the world ends. I may be able to levitate to safety. It's a long shot but it might just work.
[11:38] <ojabun> well,ive felt that already in 2001
[11:39] <Odd> ojabun, doing things like that would be so foolish
[11:39] <ojabun> you serious about that,than we might finaly take a look at my univication answer...when you figured out the outside world compared to your own heart...than you can fly
[11:39] <ojabun> i've had 8 years to complete myself...i've failed
[11:40] <ojabun> i just wasn't an big enough rebel
[11:40] <cosmic> don't worry ojabun, it says in the bible "the last will be first, and the first will be last" or was it the other way around...
[11:41] <ojabun> yea,you and your gaddamned jokes
[11:41] <ojabun> but can you tell me reality...no
[11:41] <ojabun> you are within society...and nomatter what way society turns,you will think it is normal
[11:42] <ojabun> you do not mesure by the unchangable middle that rules whole universe...you mesure by your position in society
[11:42] <cosmic> u gonna have a go at me now? haven't I always stuck by u? thru thick and thin? when everyone else said u were a wanker?
[11:43] <ojabun> we are difting way off from that middle,whole society...and you get headackes and ackes..these changes are going physical through our bodies,but you think that is normal
[11:43] <ojabun> and why is that...it is truth
[11:43] <ojabun> don't be a weener..cause it is simply truth
[11:44] <cosmic> my headaches are due to drinking three bottles of whisky in a week
[11:46] <ojabun> well,i feel it...i feel i'm sliding off the earth
[11:46] <ojabun> and it must be a real coinsidence that all prophets are predicting we are actually gonna fall off
[11:47] <ojabun> it very thin line,but i think i can relate the earth vibe to my own..to the collective counscious of mankind
[11:48] <ojabun> i can explain where the pressure comes from that causes earthquakes
[11:48] <ojabun> the earth follows a while back with my own feelings of the vibe
[11:48] <cosmic> I am prepared to die
[11:48] <cosmic> maybe I will become a helpful spiwit
[11:49] <ojabun> so when i feel i'm like going though some border...than wierd enough 2 or 3 days later there earthquakes
[11:49] <ojabun> so the earth must feel same thing in some way
[11:49] <cosmic> earthquakes follow eclipses
[11:49] <cosmic> it's been known for centuries
[11:49] <ojabun> except that the earth feels different than me
[11:50] <ojabun> oh yes,eclipses are very disturbing
[11:50] <cosmic> there was an eclipse in australia recently
[11:50] <ojabun> nostradamus says stuff like....it gonna be a good year without any eclipses
[11:50] <Odd> nostradamus was a brilliant fraud, and if you think there's any merit in his writings, you need to do more research
[11:51] <cosmic> in an eclipse the gravity of the sun and moon act together, extra force on earth crust
[11:51] <ojabun> yes cosmic
[11:51] <ojabun> but that is science
[11:51] <ojabun> those are materials without any reason
[11:51] <cosmic> well, science is really useful, I think
[11:52] <Odd> how can you say science lacks reason?
[11:52] <Odd> that's insane
[11:52] <ojabun> science thinks that all material can be explained by models of math
[11:52] <Odd> science IS reason
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[11:52] <Odd> it's a good deal more than that, ojabun
[11:52] <ojabun> science thinks that all material is death
[11:52] <cosmic> it depends on how u reason, Odd
[11:53] <Odd> what? death?
[11:53] <Odd> that's not even close to true
[11:53] <Odd> heck, that doesn't even make sense
[11:54] <ojabun> science has no clue though on how the universe came alive,or why about anything...science doesn't know anything at all,except show other ppl that nature follows an surtain structure
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[11:54] <ojabun> well,i found how it all works
[11:54] <Odd> uhhh
[11:55] <ojabun> i am the same as an elektron or a flower
[11:55] <Odd> science actually knows a decent amount how the universe came alive
[11:55] <ojabun> i am merely an different balanse of beeing
[11:55] <Odd> and it knows a WHOLE SHITLOAD of "why"s
[11:55] <ojabun> and i got a mouth to speak my thoughts
[11:55] <cosmic> ojabun, why do u want to flee to higher ground? I thought u did not mind to die by accident
[11:55] <ojabun> but every single thing that exists...is just as counscious as i am
[11:56] <ojabun> cause counsciousness itself is existing
[11:56] <Odd> that doesn't even make sense
[11:56] <cosmic> Odd, science knows fuck all about why the universe came alive, go on, admit it
[11:56] <ojabun> yes cosmic
[11:56] <Odd> actually it knows a good amount, cosmic
[11:56] <Odd> shall i explain?
[11:56] <cosmic> no, don't odd
[11:56] <Odd> the big bang isn't a one-time event
[11:56] <Odd> it is, in the words of the pioneering physicist who proved this theory, "simply one of those things that happens from time to time"
[11:57] <ojabun> but would that be ok...to not act in time to safe my life
[11:57] <Odd> you see, particles constantly pop in and out of existence allt he time
[11:57] <Odd> such is the nature of the "quantum foam" that permeated the universe
[11:57] <ojabun> i love to dy..love to excape responsibility
[11:57] <Odd> some particles are small, some are large
[11:57] <Odd> and some... are exceedingly, mind-bendingly large
[11:58] <Odd> particles like these are very rare to come into existence, and are wildly unstable, and will quickly collapse in a giant release of energy
[11:58] <cosmic> odd, saying things come into exist spontaneously all the time, does not explain why they do. if u are to stupid to realise that, I can't see any profit in conversation with u
[11:58] <Odd> this physicist proved that such an event would be indistinguishable from the big bang
[11:58] <Odd> ...
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[11:58] <Odd> well of course we don't know WHY
[11:58] <Odd> but i don't see how that discredits the millions of years of knowledge our ancestors and our current generation has gathered
[11:59] <Odd> that knowledge is accurate, and works to explain the actions of the universe exceedingly well
[11:59] <cosmic> ojabun, I don't believe the world is going to end
[11:59] <Odd> simply because we don't know WHY it works like that, doesn't mean that it's not true
[12:00] <ojabun> but i think if this earth really follows us..in drifting off from balanse,and the earth really is gonna tumble....and i sit here,till it happens...eventhough there will be plenty signs it really is gonna happen...like mediums in the news finaly admitting it publicly,or major earthquakes all around...or even indeed some giant comet like px aprouching us....and watching ppl panic all around me,would i than be able to sit still?
[12:00] <Cruithne> nothing can be created or destroyed  just changed
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[12:00] <ojabun> i prolly would leave all shame behind and run for it...fighting for my life
[12:01] <ojabun> and if i would dy...it will be shamefull with my eyes wide open in panic
[12:01] <cosmic> there was a good programme on the telly last night. Apparently if a really big comet comes past the sun, we only get a year of notice. and that isn't enough time to do anything.
[12:01] <ojabun> so..if i add it all up,and follow my instinkts...i might as well be wise,and take a run 2 months ahead
[12:02] <Odd> actually, a 14 km asteroid came within 500,000 miles of earth just a couple months ago
[12:02] <Odd> luckily, we detected it
[12:02] <Odd> ... AFTER it had passed us
[12:02] <ojabun> yes..i don't believe in this px
[12:02] <cosmic> u could live in a teepee ojabun
[12:02] <Dsarith> Odd: hehe
[12:03] <Odd> it's not a laughing matter.
[12:03] <Dsarith> Nope its so sad though that government doesnt pay attention more than they do
[12:03] <ojabun> it just irrational...how could an object that big,able to change earth...come that close to us,without beeing pulled into gravity of other planets....and our telescopes can see other galaxies,yet cannot see an px that comes around every 3600 years?...it makes no sense
[12:04] <ojabun> yet nostradamus might have some quatrains about it
[12:04] <Odd> yeah indeed ojabun
[12:04] <Cruithne> teeppee r my choice of abode
[12:04] <Cruithne> alwqys have been
[12:04] <Odd> but i thought that "science doesn't know anything"
[12:04] <Odd> so don't our telescopes not matter?
[12:05] <Odd> nostradamus was a brilliant fraud, and if you give any merit to his quatrains, then you need to do more research on him
[12:05] <ojabun> well,this nancy speaks real easy about this all...take some music with you and all,and some books and stuff for the kids...to pass the time in the aftertime,but it is insane...all ppl will be in a mojor mental chock if this goes through
[12:06] <Odd> yep
[12:06] <cosmic> yes but nancy is a fuitcake
[12:06] <cosmic> fruitcake
[12:07] <ojabun> plus..that the whole vibe is changing...nancy speaks about the 4th density...but does she ever tell what this means to our counsciousness....it means an whole different vibe,my guess is that you only find comfertable in such an vibe if you like jesus...one with spirit
[12:07] <Jesus> the christing of earth
[12:07] <ojabun> going from fishage to aqurius
[12:07] <ojabun> it an total different vibe
[12:08] <ojabun> that new vibe means you need to aim for spirits as your friends..talking to them,like you talking to your neighbors
[12:08] <Odd> stop using "an" wrongly =\
[12:08] <Jesus> yeah i've got this book "how to meet and work with your spirit guides"
[12:08] <ojabun> my guess is that this is the new vibe to aim for...to exist on
[12:08] <Odd> it's a very simple rule - if the next word starts with a vowel, use "an", if it doesn't, use "a"
[12:09] <ojabun> but all ppl around me are still acting like in last century...and myself to
[12:09] <cosmic> how much do u know about Jesus, ojabun? assuming u meant the biblical one, and not this here Jesus
[12:09] <ojabun> well
[12:10] <ojabun> he opened up the spirit to this world
[12:10] <ojabun> 'into your hands i command my spirit'
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[12:10] <cosmic> so u read the bible?
[12:11] <ojabun> i tried once...but it said insane stuff...like earth was created in 7 days
[12:11] <ojabun> it makes no sense to me
[12:11] <cosmic> when I was a teenager I read the new testament
[12:11] <Jesus> that would be "commend my spirit"
[12:12] <cosmic> I remember the day, I sat on my bed looking at the bookshelf
[12:12] <cosmic> and I saw the bible
[12:12] <Jesus> were you born again? ;-)
[12:12] <cosmic> and I thought,"how am I gonna lie on my deathbed, not having read this book which everyone on earth talks about?"
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[12:12] <cosmic> so I read it
[12:13] <cosmic> I thought it was great
[12:13] <cosmic> I loved the last supper
[12:13] <ojabun> hehe
[12:13] <Jesus> yeah that was a great story
[12:13] <cosmic> no I am actually a buddhist, but I don't boast about it
[12:14] <ojabun> you don't think there actually was a jesus?
[12:14] <cosmic> that bit where jesus says "but let it be your will, not mine"
[12:14] <cosmic> that was excellent
[12:15] <cosmic> he has realised he is going to die, and he has fear, he is human
[12:15] <ojabun> other day someone said,jesus can't be real...how could he have reached whole world they said...he could only been the local populair dude
[12:15] <cosmic> but he faces it, because it is god's will
[12:15] <cosmic> I think jesus existed
[12:16] <Jesus> not as the bible says he did
[12:16] <ojabun> but if you make an original difference with the world...than the word will reach the whole world
[12:16] <ojabun> yea me too,i'm sure off it
[12:16] <ojabun> all that fuzz cannot be made up
[12:16] <Jesus> the whole coolness about jesus isn't the whole "someone died for our sins" thing, but more about the logic he used to discern spiritual truths
[12:17] <cosmic> the reason why jesus is so popular is he matches up to what we all know as honorable
[12:17] <cosmic> he could be fictional, it wouldn't matter
[12:17] <Jesus> jesus is a well-constructed story based on older stories
[12:18] <Dsarith> Jesus is Lord :-)
[12:18] <Jesus> i'm sure you could take all the awesome literature of the 20th century, put it together, and come up with a better demi-god
[12:18] <Dsarith> Hi Jesus
[12:18] <Jesus> hey ds
[12:18] <Dsarith> I was wondering when you would get on
[12:18] <Jesus> i'm just building xeon servers here
[12:18] <ojabun> it only such a pitty,that it's almost impossible to read what he preached...cause the church made an abuse of it...i don't know what to trust....i can read confucius that lived 500 years before jesus,and i can read the words he spoke...i can be sure of it,cause noone messed with them.....but the church fucked up whole jesus,claiming he said all kinda wierd stuff...like earth was created in 7 days
[12:19] <Jesus> go ojabun
[12:19] <cosmic> trust your heart ojabun
[12:19] <ojabun> church went wrong by praising jesus
[12:19] <cosmic> unless it disagrees with mine
[12:20] <Jesus> church wasn't about truth...it was about establishing political power over peoples' spiritualities and sexualities and so forth
[12:20] <ojabun> if they would taken jesus as an natural effend...with logic,and that everyone can become like jesus....instead abusing jesus by praising him
[12:21] <ojabun> the western world fucked up jesus...jesus was just an clear guy
[12:21] <cosmic> but praising jesus didn't take anything away from what he said, as it is reported
[12:21] <ojabun> and why do they praise jesus...cause they themselves are to afraid to become whole
[12:22] <ojabun> a preacher in church shoudn't be preaching jesus...he should become like jesus himself,but by preaching him...he excapes that
[12:22] <ojabun> the only times i use jesus...is when i curse
[12:22] <cosmic> jesus preached, from the mountain of olives :)
[12:23] <ojabun> and i think cursing jesus..is more honarable than preaching him
[12:23] <ojabun> cause at least cursing holds some commen sense
[12:23] <ojabun> to bring things in right perspective you know
[12:24] <cosmic> why does one person name himself Jesus, and another Buddha?
[12:24] <Jesus> they're both me
[12:24] <ojabun> fucking crist..i just hitted my thumb,that means...oh yes,i just realise where i am...and where jesus stood
[12:24] <Dsarith> Yes Buddha meditates while jesus talks
[12:25] <Jesus> all i've gotta say is - 311 kicks ass
[12:26] <ojabun> but the buddists have no social structure...they get entlighted without any resonance with the collective counscious
[12:26] <Dsarith> Windows 311 :-)
[12:26] <Jesus> nah WFW sucked
[12:27] <Dsarith> WFW?
[12:27] <Dsarith> Whats that
[12:27] <ojabun> jesus started the path of entlightment for the world,we are at the end of that path now....now it has time,or is too late even....to become entlighten in body and mind....as whole of society
[12:27] <Jesus> windows for workgroups (win 3.11)
[12:27] <Dsarith> Oh duh
[12:27] <Dsarith> lol
[12:27] <Dsarith> Yes it did
[12:27] <Jesus> you are forgiven
[12:28] <cosmic> is it good or bad to have no social structure?
[12:28] <Jesus> good
[12:28] <cosmic> although I don't accept that buddhists have no social structure
[12:28] <Dsarith> Bless you Jesus
[12:29] <Jesus> achoo
[12:29] <ojabun> that what the aliens told me
[12:29] <Jesus> what did they tell you?
[12:29] <cosmic> and I still don't know what the collective consciousness is. It seems to be a controdiction in terms. If it is collective, it must be unconscious, as consciousness is necessarily individual, having a point of view
[12:29] <ojabun> they said,buddism is great..but it lacks social structure
[12:30] <Jesus> yes, but unconsciousness is a consciousness
[12:30] <cosmic> well the aliens probably don't understand, because they are, um, alien
[12:31] <ojabun> the collective counscious is all what ppl have reached before you cosmic...it is the path this mankind walks,and your counscious is given by that....if you would have grown up among the apes,you would now have the norms and feelings of the ape society..and you would run for it,as soon you see any human
[12:32] <ojabun> but you part of the collective
[12:32] <ojabun> and you follow it's path
[12:32] <cosmic> it is perfectly sensible to run away from humans if u are an ape
[12:32] <Dsarith> I am an ape!
[12:32] <ojabun> yea well,you see what i mean
[12:33] <ojabun> it is obvious
[12:33] <ojabun> no need to seak your mind off
[12:33] <cosmic> further more, in what u say there is the assumption that I lack the ability to differentiate between information provided to me, and the truth
[12:34] <ojabun> it's about setting out the differences that are close to you..the more close,the more truth
[12:34] <ojabun> yes
[12:34] <cosmic> u say I go with society, u always say that, and u r wrong, u always have been wrong, u always will be, but u will never changed, because your mind is closed
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[12:35] <ojabun> you think endlessly
[12:35] <cosmic> so do u
[12:36] <ojabun> but there is a point inside us...that holds all
[12:36] <ojabun> and that point is solid...more solid than the physical ground we stand on
[12:37] <ojabun> except..that you cannot point at it,cause it is the root of your own counsciousness
[12:38] <ojabun> but with ppl today..been killed in school...everyone thinks alike,and says there is no absolute truth....everyone thinks it an endless search of structures you can label...
[12:38] <ojabun> noone owns reality anymore
[12:38] <ojabun> everyone thinks reality is the way ppl move around
[12:39] <cosmic> why would u make any statement about what everyone thinks? u don't know everyone, u can't possibly. You project.
[12:40] <ojabun> they mesure now by the way ppl move...they mesure with ppl...not with inner truth anymore,cause we have grown over the top...you have any sense these days...you stand on top of society in no time...and that is absurd
[12:40] <ojabun> i can generalise easy...cause i seen the absolute
[12:41] <ojabun> asked you many times to check it yourself,but you are anable to take distance from your expectations of absolute truth...given you by society
[12:41] <ojabun> unable
[12:43] <ojabun> you are unable to even imagian that it could be truth..that all beeing is merely an balanse with itself..and that that is created by the non beeing...which is an 'existing' entity...like woman are on human level
[12:43] <ojabun> and that that is the END to all knowledge
[12:43] <cosmic> I really hate it when u tell me what I think
[12:43] <ojabun> that from there...there is nothing left but pure growth
[12:44] <ojabun> you are not able to even imagian such an possibility
[12:44] <ojabun> why not?...cause you are not a rebel,cause you are too compasioned to this world and it believes
[12:45] <ojabun> and because you are not independend
[12:45] <ojabun> it takes a rebel to beeing able to just imagian this world might be hooked up wrong
[12:46] <ojabun> and jesus was the biggest rebel ever..
[12:46] <cosmic> there is no point in me speaking if u know my thoughts
[12:46] <Dsarith> Jesus was God in human form and of course he was a rebel because men fought the truth and still do.
[12:47] <ojabun> yea,but i am right cosmic
[12:48] <ojabun> oh,but cosmic..the fight is not against eachother,the 'fight' is with ourselves...and it isn't a fight at all,you have to become friends with yourself...to be able to stop blocking yourself in shame and quilt....cause in reality noone is quilty,that's merely the believes of lowlife...the lowlife this world follows ,and so competes eachother in every form possible
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[12:49] <cosmic> I just don't see the point in saying "you think this, you think that, you go with society..."
[12:50] <ojabun> and so,we should be honest and fair and thruthfull...and say 'hmmm' a lot,instead fighting...cause there is no fight really....anything that is 'wrong' with ppl,is cause they been hurt in one way or another
[12:50] <ojabun> well,that how it looks from my point of vieuw cosmic
[12:50] <cosmic> well u have a stupid point of view then
[12:51] <ojabun> i could ask you to speak your mind...but you never do,cause you take your mind as absolute....and so to get around that,i have to differn
[12:52] <cosmic> you are doing it again
[12:52] <ojabun> well...are you able to question your mind?
[12:52] <cosmic> what do u think?
[12:53] <ojabun> i think you are able to question anything,except when it comes to your identity mesured by society
[12:53] <cosmic> uhuh
[12:54] <ojabun> and regretfull enough,that blocks you from questioning anything i have to say....cause anything i find interesting,goes straight against all societies believes
[12:55] <cosmic> you have it set up quite nicely don't u ?
[12:55] <ojabun> actually,that my first step of questioning...all this world,is total crap...all it's believes
[12:55] <ojabun> i can trow it all away
[12:55] <cosmic> u have a wee theory, and anyone who questions it is unable to see beyond society's measure
[12:55] <ojabun> and start back at the beginning
[12:55] <cosmic> thus, u can never be wrong
[12:55] <cosmic> the perfect delusion for an arrogent mind
[12:56] <ojabun> yea,but there you take your vieuw as absolute without even testing my theory to be truth...how fair is that?
[12:56] <Dsarith> Its all crap... Ones reality is based strictly on ones perception
[12:56] <cosmic> I test everything
[12:56] <cosmic> u test nothing
[12:56] <ojabun> nah..not the absolute truth
[12:56] <Dsarith> Ones perception forms the reality that they see
[12:56] <cosmic> u don't even know what test means, u r so deluded
[12:56] <ojabun> you wont dare test that
[12:57] <ojabun> it would mean you need let go off all social judgement and score
[12:57] <ojabun> you cannot...cause that exactly what all of you is builded on
[12:57] <cosmic> your idea of a test is to sit and think (preferably drunk) for a year or so and then say "yes, ojabun is right"
[12:58] <cosmic> you are an armchair tester
[12:58] <ojabun> to just even wonder that it might be truth that 'not beeing' is an existing entity..as much as matter is in the universe...you would need to let go of your slavery position of trusting and folliwing this world in it's ignorant believes
[12:59] <ojabun> you cannot now
[12:59] <ojabun> not
[12:59] <ojabun> and why not?
[12:59] <cosmic> u can't face the idea that I am right about anything, because to do that you would have to cast off your own self-righteousness, about which your entire ojaworld is built
[12:59] <ojabun> cause you do not allow yourself to be wurth anything
[12:59] <ojabun> that is your most scariest idear...that you are actually wurth anything
[12:59] <cosmic> you cannot face the idea u are totally wrong about everything
[12:59] <ojabun> that you could be a swell dude
[13:00] <cosmic> because that would make u a sad and hopeless lowlife
[13:00] <ojabun> let alone to arise above everyone else,by knowing the absolute truth
[13:00] <ojabun> but these are all presumptions you cannot let go off....cause in absolute truth,there is no big or small
[13:01] <ojabun> you do not become bigger than others by beeing yourself....cause the mesurement is not by comparing yourself with others....but merely by how much you own of yourself
[13:01] <cosmic> your presumptiousness is only exceeded by your self-righteous judgementalism
[13:01] <ojabun> hehe
[13:01] <cosmic> your first instinct is to judge
[13:01] <cosmic> better to judge than to listen
[13:02] <cosmic> because to listen you have to doubt
[13:02] <ojabun> i love this you know...cause somehow only in confrontation of believes,the truth comes out..with ppl taking there minds as absolute
[13:02] <cosmic> and doubt is like letting water into a leaky boat
[13:03] <ojabun> yea really believe that society is on right path don't you...you really believe that everything is gonna be ok....you really think that science holds all borders
[13:03] <cosmic> no
[13:03] <ojabun> and that you can ride with it in total trust
[13:03] <cosmic> that's what u think I believe
[13:03] <ojabun> well,it shows in your arguments
[13:03] <cosmic> and u think I believe that because you never dare listen or test
[13:04] <cosmic> because to do so would shatter self-righteousness
[13:04] <Dsarith> You two realize that this could go on for years
[13:04] <ojabun> there is no absolute middle to society anymore...only judgement to society left is if you look good or not
[13:04] <cosmic> Dsarith, it already has gone on for years
[13:05] <Dsarith> Oh :-)
[13:05] <ojabun> lol
[13:05] <ojabun> yea,it never resolves...cause cosmic cannot acknowledge the differences....
[13:05] <cosmic> ditto
[13:05] <ojabun> he didn't read jung well enough
[13:06] <cosmic> u are treading on thin ice there, ojabun
[13:06] <ojabun> it cheers me though,to find anyone that thinks everything is gonna be ok
[13:07] <cosmic> we don't know everything is going to be ok, but it probably will be, for a long time
[13:07] <Dsarith> Unless nukes are set off
[13:07] <Dsarith> Then no one will be ok
[13:08] <ojabun> nah,cosmic..you have no right to doubt my integrety about way i see things....cause you never tested the prove i use,the unchangable middle..which determents cause and effect of all things
[13:08] <cosmic> pray for a long life or a quick death
[13:08] <ojabun> and it is no excuse,to say that the theories i come with...do not resemble what you are used off
[13:09] <cosmic> I have never doubted your integrety ojabun, I just think you are wrong. It's tough for u to accept I know, but give it another year or two...
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[13:09] <ojabun> nah,it very simple to test my theorie
[13:10] <ojabun> you would see yourself ,the angle from i see things
[13:10] <cosmic> no it isn't because your theory does not refer to anything outside your own psyche
[13:10] <ojabun> yes..it doesn't resemble societies believes...exactly
[13:10] <cosmic> no, that's not what I said
[13:11] <ojabun> but cosmic,with that difference you should start...not end as final conclusion
[13:11] <cosmic> I didn't mention society anywhere
[13:11] <cosmic> listen, I will explain this only once (more)
[13:11] <ojabun> i did..cause noone ever acknowledge it is possible that beeing is an balanse with itself against the not beeing
[13:11] <cosmic> how do u know what I mean by "the sun"?
[13:12] <ojabun> that just to stupid simple to ppl....ppl rather have complexity to fit there expectations...and remain blind and not responsible
[13:12] <cosmic> how do u know what I mean by "fear"?
[13:12] <ojabun> great
[13:12] <cosmic> how do u know what I mean by "vergelshnipsaptolifoptpom"?
[13:13] <ojabun> by the dictionary
[13:13] <cosmic> no
[13:13] <cosmic> it's by common experience
[13:13] <ojabun> by way i grew up and learned from other ppl
[13:13] <cosmic> we can stand and look at the sun and point
[13:13] <ojabun> i learned that fear is when you feel in danger
[13:13] <cosmic> we can go into battle and know that when our balls shrivel up and our bowls loosen it is fear
[13:14] <ojabun> i learned that the sun is what ppl call that red thing burning
[13:14] <ojabun> sofar we agree
[13:14] <cosmic> but if I say "vergelshnipsaptolifoptpom" u don't know what the fuck I am on about
[13:15] <ojabun> but these agreements weren't enough for me...i have no clue why the sun burns...noone can tell me,noone can tell my why the sun sits there
[13:15] <cosmic> so, now u know the fundamentals of communication (at last)
[13:15] <ojabun> i go further
[13:15] <cosmic> tell me something that I can relate to
[13:16] <ojabun> and i found that the sun sits there..not cause of gravity,but because it is in balanse with the other entity in the universe...the not beeing...which is all around the mass,and i found that that is the same reason why the sun burns...cause it tries to excape the tension with not beeing
[13:17] <ojabun> so..it a tiny little step i make cosmic,between your form of understanding...and mine
[13:17] <ojabun> i go further
[13:17] <ojabun> i want the truth that desolves into my pure existance..into infinity
[13:18] <cosmic> I am going to the shop before it shuts
[13:18] <ojabun> and i found it real simple...just devide things by 0
[13:18] <cosmic> there is no 'a' in existence
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[13:19] <c0sm1cnot> existence is a meaningless idea anyway
[13:19] <c0sm1cnot> no thing can be conceived, without being conceived extant
[13:20] <ojabun> you can be the sun yourself..and feel it's heart
[13:21] <ojabun> and only that is truth science....'to know that you know'
[13:23] <ojabun> and it no excuse to say that is crap..merely outta compasion outta all the lowlife around that lean on ignorance
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[13:50] <Douch3> been reading back a bit, lot of psychologi tonight :)
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[13:57] <someone_else21> hello
[13:57] <Douch3> hi
[13:57] <z> niihau, Douch3
[13:57] <Douch3> hi z
[13:58] <someone_else21> quiet room
[13:58] <Douch3> it is at the moment :)
[13:58] <someone_else21> ah ok:)
[13:59] <Douch3> so what brings you here
[13:59] <someone_else21> something i don't want to believe
[13:59] <someone_else21> basically
[13:59] <Douch3> hehe i know the feeling
[14:00] <someone_else21> yeah
[14:00] <someone_else21> its a lot to get a grasp on
[14:01] <Douch3> yea it sure is
[14:01] <Douch3> but once you add up all the scientific evidence and all the theological evidence
[14:01] <someone_else21> I think i found out at the last minute though
[14:01] <Douch3> 1+1=2
[14:01] <someone_else21> it adds up
[14:01] <someone_else21> thats the scary part
[14:02] <ojabun> what has science been saying?
[14:02] <someone_else21> otherwise
[14:02] <someone_else21> as far as i know
[14:02] <Douch3> that there have been previous poleshifts
[14:02] <Douch3> that some species werd found frozen in permafrost for over 10000 years
[14:02] <someone_else21> the earth is tilted on its axis right now isn't it?
[14:03] <Douch3> containing tropical foods in their stomachs
[14:03] <someone_else21> this is too logical. it makes too much sense for it to not be real.
[14:03] <ojabun> i thought you ment that sience has found that the magnetic field of earth is shrinking drastic
[14:04] <Douch3> is it?
[14:04] <someone_else21> I never even though about it until now really. How the poles and magnetic fields could possibly do that.
[14:04] <someone_else21> thought*
[14:05] <Douch3> well i think it could only happen if a realy big object would pass close
[14:05] <Douch3> not like some say that certain small comets can influence the poles
[14:05] <someone_else21> this seems so real I almost feel like its insane.
[14:05] <Douch3> yea those were my 1st thoughts exactly
[14:06] <Douch3> imagine the destruction and the chaos
[14:06] <Douch3> but we it apears we still have a few months
[14:06] <ojabun> was an article in observer...they said magnetic field is shrinking drastic...said poled might shift from now or within 1000 years
[14:07] <someone_else21> thats the easy part from the sound of it. I think the problem will be with the people just taking what they need from others.
[14:07] <Douch3> eventualy yeah
[14:07] <someone_else21> could that be why they want to disarm us?
[14:07] <ojabun> i think the biggest problem is getting out the state of chock you will be in mentally
[14:07] <Douch3> but the 1st thing that comes to human mind is survival or suicide
[14:08] <someone_else21> well its definitely shocking.
[14:08] <Douch3> yes it sure is
[14:08] <Douch3> specialy the part were they decide not to inform the public
[14:09] <Douch3> thats the nasty part of it
[14:09] <someone_else21> yeah
[14:09] <someone_else21> Well, it feels a little less scary now that I can other people out there feeling the same thing.
[14:09] <someone_else21> I can see*
[14:09] <Douch3> yea it sure helps a bit
[14:09] <Douch3> i got some good and helpfull ideas
[14:10] <ojabun> i thought yesterday that this is changing of starsigns...from fishage to aquarious...total different admosphere,it takes an different mind to live in aquarious...i'm trying to imagian how i need to be hooked up under aquarious
[14:10] <ojabun> will it be total spiritual vibe?
[14:10] <Douch3> hard to say for me
[14:10] <Douch3> im a christian
[14:10] <ojabun> can you only life in such an vibe if you are whole in body and mind?
[14:10] <ojabun> like jesus
[14:10] <Douch3> im in a permanent state of happy vibes :)
[14:10] <someone_else21> The last full moon felt insane.
[14:11] <someone_else21> people are acting weird
[14:11] <Douch3> well the weather here in europe has also gone a bit craze the last 4 years
[14:11] <ojabun> should i get a loan and run for safity now...before the crowds start to realise?
[14:12] <ojabun> and eat worms
[14:12] <Douch3> temperatures that shouldnt be here till early april
[14:12] <someone_else21> are you referring to their state of mind Ojabun?
[14:12] <Douch3> yes ojabun
[14:12] <Douch3> i think you should
[14:12] <Douch3> better safe then sorry
[14:12] <Douch3> besides
[14:12] <Douch3> if nothing happens you can always pay it back
[14:13] <ojabun> are you doing it douch3..what is your plan?
[14:13] <Douch3> if something does happen dont worry about anny more :)
[14:13] <Douch3> well i dont realy have a plan
[14:13] <someone_else21> I'm trying to get one together. but nothing too drastic.
[14:13] <ojabun> i'm in holland..i would have to take a big trip
[14:13] <Douch3> so would i
[14:13] <Douch3> im also in holland
[14:14] <ojabun> and what country is the safest anyway?
[14:14] <Douch3> im planing on leaving for germany or poland ebd of april
[14:14] <Douch3> ebd= end
[14:14] <ojabun> imagianing it is a holiday right?
[14:14] <Douch3> i have started selling some of the stuff i had laying around useless
[14:14] <Douch3> yes
[14:15] <Douch3> i will say im going on a vacation
[14:15] <ojabun> hehe
[14:15] <Douch3> keep in mind
[14:15] <someone_else21> that would qualify as personal info wouldn't it?
[14:15] <Douch3> my money make me a rich man in poland
[14:15] <ojabun> end of april might be time the crowd also realises
[14:15] <Douch3> while it makes me poor here
[14:15] <ojabun> is poland safe than?
[14:16] <Douch3> not realy sure
[14:16] <ojabun> i ordered the worldmap from gordon scallion....www.earthchanges.com
[14:16] <Douch3> but holland is small
[14:16] <ojabun> he says whole europe be gone
[14:16] <Douch3> and in 1953 a big part was flooded just by influence of the moon
[14:16] <Odd> you mean the TIDE?
[14:16] <Douch3> yea
[14:17] <ojabun> zeta says hungary is perfect...but too perfect,cause there be too many ppl going there
[14:17] <someone_else21> I think the moon is just a constant reminder of what gravity can do.
[14:17] <Douch3> my biggest fear is water
[14:17] <Douch3> then freezing
[14:17] <Douch3> then starvation
[14:17] <Douch3> eventualy lonelyness
[14:17] <cosmic> my biggest fear is immortality
[14:17] <ojabun> my biggest fear is beeing able to rationalise this
[14:17] <someone_else21> don't think that way
[14:18] <someone_else21> plan on something, don't plan on failure.
[14:18] <Douch3> well whats to plan
[14:18] <Douch3> if it happens
[14:18] <Douch3> half the world drowns
[14:18] <ojabun> if i could rationalise this all...if i could place it in my little mind,than i could go with it determend
[14:18] <Douch3> thats the thing
[14:18] <Douch3> you either go or you dont
[14:19] <Douch3> every moment you doubt is a waste of time
[14:19] <Douch3> but then again
[14:19] <someone_else21> its also hesitation
[14:19] <ojabun> but now..i'm just all fear,and i think if the earth tumbles like nostra says....i might dy in a chock,or surfive in a chock
[14:19] <Douch3> if nothing happens you spend the rest of your life at the funny farm :)
[14:19] <someone_else21> LOL
[14:19] <someone_else21> i wonder
[14:20] <ojabun> well,i am sure it is gonna happen...all signs say it,and i feel myself sliding off the cosmic middle
[14:20] <ojabun> just don't know when
[14:20] <Douch3> well like someone in here said earlyer, pray for a long life or a quick death
[14:20] <Douch3> the bible says it will happen
[14:21] <Douch3> a lot of other ancient writings say it
[14:21] <someone_else21> the bible seems to be a rough script
[14:21] <Douch3> so i have little doubt left
[14:21] <Douch3> just wanna see it
[14:21] <Douch3> but then it could be to late
[14:21] <ojabun> yea,but if you know it gonna happen..cause you add it all up,is it than ok to dy by a tsunami...isn't that like suicide than,knwoing you could have run for it
[14:21] <someone_else21> so that planet is basically Wormwood?
[14:21] <Douch3> yea
[14:21] <Douch3> or nibiru
[14:21] <someone_else21> figured as much
[14:21] <Douch3> or raja sun
[14:22] <Douch3> great star
[14:22] <Douch3> it has lots of names
[14:22] <Douch3> in lots of different religions
[14:22] <Douch3> but they all bring the same
[14:22] <Douch3> death and chaos
[14:22] <Douch3> so its reasonably asumable its the same one
[14:23] <someone_else21> something is screaming at me not to believe this. its too large scale.
[14:23] <ojabun> i keep feeling quilty...cause i think this fall of planet is caused by us humans that didn't climb the entlightment,instead we're leaning over the edge in vain....and somehow i think that that is what causes the earth to tumble
[14:23] <Douch3> im courious about a piece wrote by an american from some sekt
[14:24] <Douch3> he wrote a peace on the seven seals of david
[14:24] <Douch3> as discribed in the bible
[14:24] <Douch3> they were preparing
[14:24] <ojabun> what it says?
[14:24] <Douch3> i dont know
[14:24] <someone_else21> How many americans are in here anyway?
[14:24] <Douch3> havent been able to find it yet
[14:25] <Douch3> im dutch
[14:25] <Douch3> but there are some americans in here aswell
[14:25] <someone_else21> ok
[14:26] <ojabun> about any old book predicting future,and any contact alien book..or spiritual contact book about future..or mediums are saying the same thing...that the earth will tumble...they differn in there reasons and dates,but they all agree on the earth tumbling
[14:26] <Douch3> well some doubt can be taken away there
[14:27] <Douch3> see some say it comes in 2012
[14:27] <Douch3> but that is a mixed up way of thinking
[14:27] <ojabun> yea..the maya's
[14:27] <Douch3> yep
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[14:27] <Douch3> 2012 for them would be 2003 for us
[14:27] <ojabun> really?
[14:27] <Douch3> yep
[14:28] <ojabun> howcome you sure of that?
[14:28] <Douch3> cause they had another way of mesuring themselves in comparence with the stars
[14:29] <Douch3> in other words they had a shorter year then we have
[14:29] <ojabun> crist..cosmos is rules so strick...you can't have some sparetime for yourself,you let go of cosmic laws for a bit...and desasters happen
[14:29] <Odd> a shorter year? are you crazy?
[14:29] <Odd> that would make their calendar be comp[letely off after only a couple years
[14:30] <ojabun> hmm..bad news than
[14:30] <Odd> and it would hardly be a difference of only 9 years
[14:30] <Douch3> i have an articel on that
[14:30] <Douch3> let me look it up
[14:30] <Odd> i'd love to see it
[14:30] <ojabun> i will buy some fishinggear and camping stuff next week
[14:31] <ojabun> will wait till i get the map from scallion...and than plan a spot
[14:31] <Odd> and this gordon michael smith fellow is very wrong..
[14:31] <Odd> gordon michael scallion*
[14:31] <Odd> the maps are wrong
[14:31] <ojabun> prolly leave end of march
[14:31] <Odd> he shows water flowing over the rocky mountains
[14:31] <Odd> which is ridiculous
[14:31] <haccess> http://home.carolina.rr.com/haccess/gandalfshoes.jpg  <--  gandalf rockin the sneaks
[14:32] <ojabun> have to find me some good filters to filter water..and some gear to distill water
[14:33] <Odd> buy a whole lot of activated carbon (charcoal) and some piping, and an ozonator
[14:33] <Odd> that's all you need
[14:33] <ojabun> already got two surfival guides
[14:33] <Odd> much more economical than buying filters
[14:33] <someone_else21> you'll need firearms too
[14:34] <ojabun> yea..thought about that
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[14:34] <someone_else21> from what this site says, not everyone is going to be friendly.
[14:35] <ojabun> read some prediction saying:those that are armed,will surfive the crowds not armed
[14:35] <ojabun> the ones with guns will control the food
[14:35] <ojabun> prolly just shooting everyone trying to come close
[14:36] <ojabun> untill the bullets run out
[14:36] <someone_else21> It would probably be wise to find one that ammunition wouldn't be very scarce for.
[14:36] <someone_else21> like a shotgun or a common hangun.
[14:36] <someone_else21> handgun*
[14:36] <ojabun> i think i rather find a spot with little population
[14:36] <someone_else21> will it always be so underpopulated?
[14:36] <ojabun> like maybe a small group of ppl..that stick together to surfive
[14:37] <ojabun> well...if you take greenland
[14:37] <ojabun> or australia maybe
[14:37] <someone_else21> Australia is anti-gun as far as i know
[14:37] <Odd> does scallion say what will cause these earth changes?
[14:37] <ojabun> be great to live among the auboriginals...they know how to surfive anyway
[14:38] <ojabun> eating roots and all
[14:38] <ojabun> so if this really going through..than my next 25 years be made by the spot i pick to go to these months
[14:39] <Odd> does scallion say what will cause these earth changes?
[14:39] <ojabun> and i can take with me all i want...it will run out within time anyway,at one point i need to eat worms and distill the water
[14:40] <ojabun> unless i steal a truck or something and get enough suplies for years to come
[14:40] <someone_else21> I think you either decide to move now, or deal with the difficulties that go with moving somewhere else.
[14:40] <someone_else21> and in conditions like that I'm sure it wouldn't be a cakewalk
[14:40] <Jesus> i honestly think no one will benefit from going out on their own in the event of something like this
[14:40] <ojabun> i regret now i aind got a driverslicence
[14:40] <Jesus> since we're talking in the hypothetical sense
[14:40] <ojabun> a car be perfect
[14:41] <someone_else21> a car is useless without roads most of the time.
[14:41] <Odd> does scallion say what will cause these earth changes?
[14:41] <ojabun> you can drive it into open field,away from rocks or waters or nuclear stuff or cities....and stay in the car as your base...also safe from the weather coming after
[14:42] <someone_else21> cars are not bunkers to be locked up in. they get stuck, they break down. And not to mention the gas you'll end up needing.
[14:43] <ojabun> i heard that the weather be desasterous after..it be bigger deal to deal with than the poleshift itself....the tsunamies and earthquakes will stop after few days....but the winds and rains will last for years i hears
[14:43] <ojabun> d
[14:43] <someone_else21> Your basic post-apocalyptic scene.
[14:44] <Odd> your basic fear-instilling tool of an ego-driven fame-seeker
[14:44] <ojabun> the best spot would be an scarse populated area...and not threatnend by large populations running to it
[14:44] <Odd> and if this thing really is happening as told, the earthquakes will continue for months
[14:45] <ojabun> and beeing able to fish in the aftertime
[14:45] <someone_else21> so who's the ego driven fame seeker in all this?
[14:45] <ojabun> with forrests and natural resourses
[14:45] <Odd> why, nancy, of course
[14:45] <someone_else21> Nancy
[14:45] <someone_else21> why her?
[14:45] <Odd> or whomever's pet doomsday scenario you two are discussing
[14:45] <someone_else21> she seems to be trying to help
[14:45] <Odd> she is
[14:45] <Odd> she's trying to help her SELF
[14:46] <ojabun> oh,you changed stand all a sudden...you think it crap now?
[14:46] <Odd> she is, ironically, quite STS
[14:46] <Odd> huh?
[14:46] <someone_else21> STS...
[14:46] <someone_else21> ?
[14:46] <Odd> i never gave any credit to nancy
[14:46] <ojabun> hey man...i go from with what i feel,i litteray feel sliding off the earth....i got sea-legs since 2001 or so
[14:46] <Odd> i've always been a devout enemy of hers
[14:46] <someone_else21> I doubt shes even one person Odd.
[14:47] <Odd> an approaching planet wouldn't make you feel like you're sliding off the earth =\
[14:47] <Cruithne> .
[14:47] <Odd> something like an inner ear infection, perhaps
[14:47] <someone_else21> then why does a full moon cause lunacy and moving tides?
[14:47] <Odd> maybe certain drugs
[14:47] <Odd> oh dear god
[14:47] <Odd> the moon has always caused tides, full or not
[14:47] <someone_else21> and why is that do you think?
[14:47] <Odd> it's because of the gravitational pull it exterts on the earth
[14:47] <Odd> -t
[14:47] <someone_else21> there you go
[14:47] <Cruithne> if earth is rotating slow then noon sun would not be hig hin sky
[14:48] <Douch3> http://levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html
[14:48] <Douch3> i believe thats the articel
[14:48] <Odd> the earth is solid, however. but the oceans are freely moving, and so can react to the gravity, and so water flows toward the moon
[14:48] <ojabun> thanks douch
[14:49] <Cruithne> i meant as far as full moon being full day late
[14:49] <someone_else21> and how does this prove that you are right about planet x?
[14:49] <someone_else21> that it doesn't exist?
[14:49] <Odd> oh, you want me to prove it?
[14:49] <Odd> ha!
[14:49] <Odd> you've asked for it now
[14:49] <Odd> i wasn't even trying to with that
[14:49] <Cruithne> proof is in the pudding i heard once
[14:49] <Odd> ok, where to begin...
[14:49] <Odd> well ok, how about the red and white personas?
[14:49] <someone_else21> you only know what they tell you, you should admit that before going on.
[14:49] <Odd> firstly, this is a phenomenon that has NEVER been reported before
[14:50] <Odd> of course, but so do you ;)
[14:50] <someone_else21> touche
[14:50] <Odd> now, nancy claims that it is caused by what is essentially chromatic aberration on a large scale; that is, the different refractions of different wavelengths (colors) of light
[14:51] <ojabun> nancy says lots of unbased crap...i doubt strong about planet x,but i still believe her intentions to warn us for poleshift..also believe she has met aliens
[14:51] <ojabun> i just see it from her position
[14:51] <Odd> i see it from her position, too
[14:51] <Odd> she just wants to be loved
[14:51] <Odd> or at least acknowledged, and made to feel specail
[14:51] <Odd> special*
[14:52] <someone_else21> thats a lot of writing for someone to make up, just to boost his or her ego.
[14:52] <Jesus> you'd be surprised
[14:52] <Jesus> think about all the work that has been done in my name (speaking as the mythical figure himself)
[14:52] <someone_else21> that would require a team effort.
[14:53] <Odd> not really
[14:53] <Odd> I could make up all that hogwash in 8 years, too
[14:54] <Odd> especially considering it's more or less all she does
[14:54] <Odd> now, as i was saying about chromatic aberration..
[14:54] <Odd> this is the same effect seen in a prism, or a rainbow
[14:54] <someone_else21> explain things falling in place like they are then. all the prophecies and what not.
[14:54] <Odd> and when dealing with an at least partially white object, the same effect is seen - a spectrum
[14:54] <Odd> AKA, a rainbow
[14:54] <Jesus> they aren't falling into place
[14:55] <Odd> since white is a combination of all colors
[14:55] <Odd> yeah, many many many of her "prophecies" have been completely off
[14:55] <ojabun> yea indeed...a fraud cannot come up with such efford
[14:55] <Odd> she predicted a landslide win of democrats over republicans last election
[14:55] <Odd> just the opposite happened
[14:55] <Jesus> and lots of other ones such as the economy crashing have been easily visible for a long time and are based upon conspiracy theories already published
[14:55] <Odd> she said chandra levy was in mexico with amnesia..
[14:55] <ojabun> such an efford only comes from determinism based on experience
[14:55] <Odd> but she was dead in DC
[14:56] <ojabun> plus that nancy is very clear in her affinity about things
[14:56] <ojabun> a fruitcake is never that vivid in there words
[14:56] <someone_else21> maybe she was...nobody knows that for sure. And its very easy to discredit someone whos taking her cue from aliens from outerspace.
[14:56] <ojabun> you can tell a fake preacher right off from an sincere person
[14:57] <Odd> actually, the mentally perturbed have been known to be of the greatest erudition
[14:57] <Odd> sometimes, anyway
[14:57] <Odd> but I don't nancy is all that crazy
[14:57] <ojabun> i actually doubt she talking to zeta's all the time
[14:57] <Odd> i think she just wanted a little attention
[14:57] <someone_else21> thats beyond what we've been told was possible, therefore it is ludacris and unthinkable.
[14:57] <ojabun> i think she met them maybe few times
[14:57] <Jesus> i asked nancy about reiki:
[14:57] <Jesus> she replies:
[14:57] <Jesus> Declined.  Meditations, having a beer, taking a walk in the woods.  Have you nothing MORE important to do now, when the world will change so drastically in a short time?
[14:57] <someone_else21> the world was flat not long ago.
[14:58] <juditness> Jesus!
[14:58] <ojabun> i think nancy lies a whole lot...but it is nothing for her,cause of her main massage
[14:58] <Jesus> did you really just spell it "ludacris" like the rap star?
[14:58] <Jesus> hi judit
[14:58] * juditness worships.
[14:58] <Odd> her "main message" is just the hook
[14:58] <Jesus> ha ha
[14:58] <someone_else21> might have. thats the last thing I saw it spelled on, a CD cover at the store.
[14:58] <Odd> all great deceivers of this sort have had a doomsday scenario
[14:58] <Odd> fear is a very powerful emotion
[14:58] <someone_else21> isn't it?
[14:59] <Odd> it makes one do irrational things
[14:59] <someone_else21> your government uses it everyday
[14:59] <ojabun> but i am totally sure she has met aliens,cause it leaves an expression on you...and nancy has such an epression,it like same when you can tell someone has just surfived an carcrash..you can just tell
[14:59] <Odd> i suppose you have lots of experience seeing this "expression?"
[14:59] <ojabun> meeting superhumans sure leaves a mark on you
[15:00] <Odd> and who's to say that that "expression" isn't really just the expression of someone wracked with guilt for lying to thousands of people
[15:00] <ojabun> actually,it makes you unable to addapt to normal mankind again
[15:00] <someone_else21> I will wait for the next few months and see whether or not this event looks like its going to happen. And when it does or doesn't, I will gladly tell you I'm an ass, but a prepared one all the same.
[15:01] <Jesus> why would you try to hide out from it? you're going to die anyway
[15:01] <someone_else21> we all do, in time.
[15:01] <Jesus> yeah...but that's not the point
[15:01] <ojabun> you grow this agony against mankind...an resenting,cause when you have seen superhumans...you are in a company where everything is the way it should be...and once you seen this....you resent the world like it is now,and that i seen in the pic of nancy.
[15:01] <Jesus> why make yourself a target by hoarding things?
[15:01] <someone_else21> you spend your time in a chat trying to change minds. maybe trying to convince yourself. who knows.
[15:02] <ojabun> yea,but the problem is that you cannot go with the flow on this
[15:02] <Jesus> you try to discredit us in order to justify yourself. maybe trying to convince yourself. who knows.
[15:02] <ojabun> you have to make up your mind,before the crowd starts realising
[15:02] <someone_else21> yes you can, that red star might be mars or something. on the other hand, what could it end up turning out to be.
[15:03] <someone_else21> what is the problem with people being prepared?
[15:03] <someone_else21> and keeping a message amongst themselves?
[15:03] <Odd> i have no problem with people being prepared
[15:03] <ojabun> so you can still take an airplane..or get a big loan
[15:03] <someone_else21> maybe theres a psycho at work here. maybe in 4 months we'll all breathe a sigh of relief.
[15:03] <Odd> what I *do* have a problem with is people maxing out their credit cards buying supplies
[15:04] <Odd> since, after all, there won't be any debt collectors int he aftertime
[15:04] <Jesus> ha ha
[15:04] <Odd> people buying houses
[15:04] <Odd> and undoubtedly, there will be ridiculous trauma to thsoe that put a lot of faith in this when they find it's not true
[15:04] <ojabun> if nothing happens in may...than it wont change much for me,cause than merely nancy been wrong about the date...
[15:04] <Odd> some have even admitted to plans of suicide should planet x not arrive
[15:05] <someone_else21> that a very good reason the government would not want people to know about this event. Scrambling for supplies would kill an economy thats already half dead as it is.
[15:05] <Odd> WHAT?
[15:05] <ojabun> nancy isn'tmy mesurment in this at all...she more a comfert to me,to hear someone speak so at ease about it
[15:05] <Odd> do you know the FIRST thing about economics?
[15:05] <someone_else21> read the sentence again if you want
[15:05] <someone_else21> its still there
[15:05] <Odd> a massive scrable for supplies would be a huge relief for a struglling economy
[15:05] <ojabun> it's about what i feel in my bones
[15:05] <Odd> assuming it isn't all based in debt
[15:06] <someone_else21> it would be based on debt. cause nobody has any money.
[15:06] <Odd> ...
[15:06] <Odd> i won't even comment on THAT
[15:06] <someone_else21> then don't.
[15:06] <Odd> well, we've gone off on a tangent
[15:06] <someone_else21> you don't have an answer, thats fine by me.
[15:06] <Odd> oh god
[15:06] <Odd> are you serious?
[15:07] <Odd> i was trying to spare you the humiliation
[15:07] <someone_else21> do you think I am?
[15:07] <ojabun> i think i will buy me a wetsuite..must be the perfect thing for staying warm in the rain and cold
[15:07] <Odd> your assinine to an unhealthy degree
[15:07] <Odd> you're*
[15:07] <Odd> people have money.  and people would be spending their money on the supplies.
[15:07] <someone_else21> and finally the insults start, the trademark of weakness when its backed into a corner.
[15:07] <Odd> actually no, I'm trying to save yoiu from further humiliation of your SELF
[15:08] <ojabun> use your ignore botton
[15:08] <Odd> hence the "unhealthy degree"
[15:08] <ojabun> i have also
[15:08] <someone_else21> I don't care, nobody knows me here.
[15:08] <Odd> alright then
[15:08] <someone_else21> I have nothing to lose.
[15:08] <Odd> anyway, we've gone off on a tangent
[15:08] <ojabun> pricks are annoying
[15:08] <someone_else21> Let's keep this civil.
[15:09] <ojabun> it pitty i got banned from #poleshiftdiscussion..they where serious there
[15:09] <Odd> now, if the light from px is in fact being bent by the atmosphere, all colors will present themselves, next to each otehr, forming a "rainbow" streak, rather than two defined white and red points
[15:09] <Douch3> well their not so serious in poleshiftdiscussion
[15:09] <Douch3> last night the said i was an idiot
[15:09] <Odd> further, such a phenomenon has NEVER been seen before, among billions of celestial observations
[15:09] <Douch3> i was role playing in my mind
[15:10] <Douch3> cause i discused the fact of having a good weapon to survive
[15:10] <someone_else21> Don't worry about it folks....its just another one of those weather balloons...
[15:10] <Douch3> i made a crossbow
[15:10] <Douch3> and they just took the piss at me
[15:10] <Douch3> i said it was not to kill people
[15:10] <Odd> then there's the whole aspect of the pole shift itself...
[15:10] <ojabun> ah yes...they so uptight in #poleshift,if you not in more panic than them..you get banned
[15:11] <Odd> pole shifts have occurred countless times throughout history
[15:11] <someone_else21> I believe that.
[15:11] <Douch3> i said it was just for protection
[15:11] <Douch3> but they said
[15:11] <ojabun> i got banned for saying there cannot be any gay aliens
[15:11] <Odd> lasting as little as 50 years or as long as 1,000,0000
[15:11] <Douch3> we are not gonna kill people
[15:11] <Odd> you BELIEVE that? "that" is fact.
[15:11] <Douch3> we gonna live in peace and harmony
[15:11] <someone_else21> Well I do
[15:11] <juditness> man
[15:11] <Odd> pole shifts are a natural occurrence
[15:11] <juditness> you just got majorly owned
[15:12] <Odd> they need no planet x
[15:12] <juditness> it's not even funny anymore
[15:12] <juditness> =D
[15:12] <someone_else21> I'm seeing your argument from your point of you the best i can.
[15:12] <ojabun> well,i would like a shutgun just to hunt for animals...it quite hard to kill any animal with traps or bow and arrow
[15:12] <someone_else21> are you returning the courtesy?
[15:12] <Odd> but of course
[15:12] <someone_else21> I'm glad
[15:12] <Odd> though I can't say you've presented much of an "argument"
[15:12] <someone_else21> thats another issue altogether
[15:12] <Odd> just generic responses and prying at my flaws
[15:13] <someone_else21> thats exactly what you've been doing.
[15:13] <someone_else21> I've just stated my opinion.
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[15:13] <ojabun> fishing will be the major thing i reckon...i will need a location that will be along the shore in the aftertime
[15:13] <Odd> au contrair, I'm using specific and factual evidence to present a case
[15:13] <someone_else21> And who provided you with that special evidence you have there?
[15:13] <Douch3> well with most of the fisch being fished out the seas
[15:13] <Odd> look, i would love to continue this as you're the most intelligent person I'm yet to encounter on your side of the issue, but I have plans to meet some friends in a little bit and I'm in need of a shower
[15:14] <Douch3> adn the seas only being bigger i think we need to reschedule our diet
[15:14] <Odd> that evidence is just my own knowledge
[15:14] <someone_else21> you have fun then.
[15:14] <Odd> take care, and do read up about natural magnetic pole reversals
[15:14] <Douch3> we gonna have to consider eating leafs,gras and bugs
[15:14] <Odd> there's no 3600 year pattern
[15:14] <someone_else21> I'll take that advice Odd.
[15:14] <Douch3> i hate the idea tough
[15:15] <ojabun> yea..did nancy say when it safe to fish anyway...how long before the seas wont be toxic anymore,and can you eat any fish that is alive..is it healthy than without toxics?
[15:15] <Odd> fish is fairly toxic as is
[15:16] <Douch3> with big parts being flooded i think the sea is poluted for the next 3 or 4 centurys
[15:16] <ojabun> or can a healthy fish still contain to many toxics
[15:16] <Odd> those predators towards the top of the food chain like tuna collect unsettling amounts of mercury
[15:16] <juditness> hey.. i have a question... =x
[15:16] <walt> http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/northpole_e.shtml
[15:16] <Douch3> keep in mind that toxic factorys and other chemicals flood aswel and eventualy get in the eco system
[15:16] <Odd> in fact according to the FDA's mercury allowance guidelines, the average person should eat no more than an ounce and a half of tuna per week
[15:16] * juditness repeats.
[15:16] <juditness> i have a question.
[15:16] <Odd> what's your question?
[15:17] * Odd acknowledges judit
[15:17] <ojabun> yes,but nancy made a comment on that...she said that the toxics will neutralise eachother after a while...quite quick even
[15:17] <Odd> ;p
[15:17] <Odd> neutralize each other?
[15:17] <Odd> that's absurd
[15:17] <juditness> why are you flapping your lips and such? we're all gonna die tomorrow when that asteroid hits us. :D
[15:17] <ojabun> the toxics are only toxic in big amounts
[15:17] <Odd> we're talking about sulfuric acid, heavy metals, silicates, methyl alcohol..
[15:17] <ojabun> nancy has some great sense on stuff
[15:18] <Jesus> what would madeleine kahn do?
[15:18] <Douch3> lots of chemicals will be trapped in containers silos machines and other sorts of storrage
[15:18] <ojabun> stuff i never thought off
[15:18] <Douch3> these will eventuly rust or disolve realeasing the chamicals
[15:18] <Odd> well of course she does, this is all she does
[15:18] <Odd> for 8 years
[15:18] <ojabun> what about nuclear reactors
[15:19] <Odd> nuclear reactors these days won't really release much radiation unless a meltdown occurrs
[15:19] <Odd> and a meltdown doesn't happen from physical damage
[15:19] <ojabun> usa got like thousands of nukes...are those safe?
[15:19] <walt> yep
[15:19] <ojabun> only one has to go off
[15:19] <Odd> ok now i really ought to go
[15:19] <ojabun> by earthquake
[15:19] <walt> and....?
[15:19] <Odd> take care all
[15:19] <Douch3> i think that if flooding should happen in an area with nuclear reactor
[15:19] <ojabun> and the others with it,will also go off
[15:19] <Douch3> it will eventualy effect the eco system
[15:20] <walt> how will it go off by earthquake?
[15:20] * Odd has quit IRC (they say the most abundant thing on earth is silicon... but i disagree. It's ignorance.)
[15:20] <ojabun> so if usa got like 40 000 nukes,i reckon they have few places with lotsa nukes at that site
[15:20] <walt> do you understand how nuclear weapons are constructed?
[15:20] <walt> how they are detonared?
[15:20] <walt> detonated
[15:21] <ojabun> they cannot detonate by outside collission?
[15:21] <Douch3> well even if the dont detonate they could still be a big threat for a decent afterlife
[15:21] <walt> there is a precise secquence of events that have to happen
[15:21] <ojabun> indeed,they might errodate
[15:21] <Douch3> yea
[15:21] <Douch3> or gangs could steal them them
[15:22] <ojabun> i goddamned hate this nuclear shit
[15:22] <walt> if they dont have you dont get the fission/fusion you need for a nuclear reaction
[15:22] <Douch3> loads of bad things can come of it
[15:22] * juditness is away.. dans maar, dit is dus die lekkere dansplaat... [mail: judit@geekychick.org] at 00:26:23
[15:23] <ojabun> walt:so if i drop a 10000 kilo rock on a nuke missle...nothing happens?
[15:23] <walt> noe
[15:23] <walt> nope
[15:23] <Douch3> you could drop it out of a plane and it probably wont detonate
[15:23] <Douch3> when it does detonate it doesnt detonate on the ground
[15:23] <ojabun> it might just fall apart...but it wont explode?
[15:23] <walt> if you get an explosion all ir will do is spread the nuclear material in the warhead
[15:23] <Douch3> it explodes about 300 meters above the ground
[15:23] <ojabun> well,that's a releave than
[15:24] <walt> we have had weapons drop from planes
[15:24] * walt has quit IRC (Read error to walt[ACC3AB2B.ipt.aol.com]: Connection reset by peer)
[15:24] <Douch3> well im gonna wait for god
[15:24] <Douch3> either to pick me up or guide me trough
[15:24] <ojabun> still...they might errodate,and all the nuclear waste from nuclear plants
[15:24] <Douch3> if that dont work
[15:24] <Douch3> i will find a nice human way of ending it myself
[15:25] <ojabun> you might walk in a field in the aftertime and think all is ok...not knowing it is all radiated...you can't tell without an geigercounter
[15:25] <Douch3> true
[15:25] <Douch3> thats why i dont think we stand a chance
[15:25] <ojabun> did nancy speak about that...how ever you can tell stuff is radiated?
[15:25] <Douch3> the air is puluted
[15:26] <Douch3> the water is
[15:26] <Douch3> the food is
[15:26] <ojabun> should we all buy an geigercounter and hide 4 meters under the ground
[15:26] <Douch3> probably would be useless
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[15:27] <Douch3> quakes of over 5 will shake the gorunds and burry you alive
[15:27] <ojabun> maybe i'm getting it all wrong...maybe only way to surfive this,it to prepare for at least 10 years to come...and have neough food and water to last such an time
[15:27] <walt> good luck
[15:28] <Douch3> the ground would be shaking so bad we can hardly crawl so moving will probably be out of the question aswell
[15:28] <ojabun> well,i aint able to prepare that good,it takes a whole group of ppl to organise that
[15:28] <Douch3> exactly
[15:28] <Douch3> all we can do if it happens is move
[15:28] <Douch3> move away from the coast to higher grounds
[15:29] <Douch3> and hope we can see it trough
[15:29] <ojabun> heh..those astraunouts in the spaceship around earth...wont they have a time,they will see it all happening...safe in space,but will loose contact with earth...and nobody able to get them back with spaceshuttle....they will dy,watching the earth
[15:30] <Douch3> yea thats a weird tought aswell
[15:30] <Douch3> well the bible says that only a handfull will survive
[15:31] <Douch3> so i dont get my hopes up to high
[15:31] <ojabun> nancy is more optimistic...she says like 10%
[15:31] <Douch3> that still is a handfull
[15:31] <ojabun> or was that only those surfiving the poleshift
[15:31] <Douch3> :)
[15:32] <Douch3> think about it this way: many will die watching the news about it
[15:32] <Douch3> cause they will probably keep it secret till they simply cant anymore
[15:33] <Douch3> then shit hits the fan before anything actualy has happend
[15:33] <Douch3> society will colapse overnight
[15:33] <ojabun> ppl will be in a chock..not even able to leave there belongings
[15:33] <ojabun> and that's what i'm doing now...trying to rationalise it
[15:34] <ojabun> so i wont be in a chock
[15:34] <Douch3> the streets will be crowded with loads of religious groups yelling about prophecies and stuff
[15:34] <Douch3> it will be mayhem
[15:34] <Douch3> like never seen before by mankind
[15:34] <ojabun> you dutch right...did you hear about the afraim society?
[15:35] <Douch3> nope
[15:35] <Douch3> what is it?
[15:35] <ojabun> not sure if i spelled it right
[15:35] <ojabun> well,they the only ones i heard about in the news that predict the end of earth
[15:36] <ojabun> they said in 2001 it would end already
[15:36] <Douch3> yea i heard about that
[15:36] <Douch3> hard to say
[15:36] <ojabun> i watched that date...november 21 or something,and indeed i felt myself going through some border
[15:36] <Douch3> could be that ment entering the final stage
[15:36] <ojabun> been many dates like that...where i felt i'm passing different vibe
[15:37] <ojabun> yes like that
[15:37] <Douch3> i fisrt felt something was wrong late 1997
[15:37] <Douch3> something told me to make a survival kit and stuff
[15:37] <Douch3> wich i did
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[15:37] <Douch3> o never payed much atention to it afterwards
[15:38] <Douch3> till late 2001 :)
[15:38] <Douch3> coinsidence?
[15:39] <ojabun> last october i felt major change also...and there was an alien sighting on the news...some spaceship stayed for 45 min around a car....and seeing the ppl saying they seen it,you could tell...they where the perfect ppl to tell such an message....and day or two later,there major earthquakes in italy and such
[15:39] <ojabun> no..97 was indeed a change
[15:39] <ojabun> 97 things opened up
[15:40] <ojabun> there is un underlaying vibe we can feel...and this vibe the earth follows also
[15:40] <Douch3> i also had some dreams that were to real to be a dream
[15:40] <Douch3> ever had a dream when you could actualy decide your next move?
[15:41] <Douch3> its like laying in bed looking at the clock and seeing its at 4:00 in the morning
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[15:41] <Douch3> then you wake up and find yourself laying with your face away from the clock and when you look at it it says 4:00
[15:41] <ojabun> i woke up one morning few months ago..cause i dreamed the earth started to shake,and i peed my pants of fear...than i woke up,no quake and i didn't pee my pants
[15:42] <ojabun> but it was cause i felt the earth loose it's grip
[15:42] <Douch3> i had several dream to real to be a dream
[15:42] <Douch3> some showed me madmax scenarios
[15:42] <Douch3> and it scared me
[15:43] <Douch3> thats when i knew there was something wrong
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[15:44] <ojabun> yea man,we just cannot place these dreams...we are no indians
[15:45] <ojabun> we have learned facts in school...not reality
[15:45] <Douch3> yea
[15:45] <Douch3> i agree on that
[15:45] <Douch3> we think we are so smart with our technology
[15:46] <Douch3> while infact most ancient cultures were fare more advanced then we
[15:46] <Douch3> menkind today relies on computers
[15:46] <ojabun> oh yes..we are not advanced wise at all
[15:46] <Douch3> what if it did went wrong with y2k
[15:46] <Douch3> the year 2000
[15:46] <Douch3> then it would also lead to chaos
[15:47] <Douch3> so basicly it comes down to this
[15:47] <Douch3> menkind is doomed
[15:47] <Douch3> and probably will destroy itself before god does
[15:48] <ojabun> even if there been entlightment...mankind coudn't have handled it
[15:48] <Douch3> yea
[15:48] <Douch3> or whipe it away as a big lie :)
[15:48] <obany> !u
[15:48] <obany> !up
[15:48] <obany> ah
[15:49] <ojabun> they can't accept paradice...so maybe it's good this poleshift
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[15:50] <Douch3> well i have my car ready
[15:50] <Douch3> i have my stuff packed
[15:50] <Douch3> i will leave just before the trouble starts i guess
[15:50] <Douch3> and hope for the best
[15:51] <ojabun> what kinda stuff you packed?
[15:52] <Douch3> some 1st aid stuff like baindaid and bandage
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[15:52] <Douch3> some handtools like screwdrivers and pliers
[15:52] <Douch3> small saw
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[15:53] <Douch3> some dish, like a pan some cups and a pot to boil water
[15:53] <Douch3> water cleaning pils
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[15:53] <Douch3> a 27mc radio with booster
[15:53] <ojabun> that good idear yea..an radio you can transmit with
[15:53] <Douch3> and i bought an army outfit in the dumpstore
[15:53] <Douch3> its cheap
[15:54] <Douch3> and only needs 12 volts
[15:54] <ojabun> it is?
[15:54] <ojabun> small also?
[15:54] <Douch3> yes
[15:54] <Douch3> smaller then a car radio
[15:54] <ojabun> great,i will buy one
[15:54] <Douch3> the booster is also small and 12 volts
[15:54] <Douch3> its about 60 watts
[15:55] <ojabun> it's for car batteries though right?
[15:55] <Douch3> yes
[15:56] <ojabun> i might just steal a car when the time comes
[15:56] <Douch3> but a dynamo of a bycycle should be able to power it up
[15:56] <Douch3> stealing wouldnt be a good idea
[15:56] <Douch3> trading is
[15:56] <ojabun> so is that same kinda mc radio like they have in trucks?
[15:56] <Douch3> most people have kind of an atitude when it comes to their personal belonings
[15:56] <Douch3> yea its is
[15:56] <ojabun> i regret that i have no driverslicence
[15:57] <Douch3> well
[15:57] <ojabun> so i might as well take an airplane to australia
[15:57] <Douch3> try a motorcycle
[15:57] <ojabun> take a train to the midlands...and get out in the middle of nowhere
[15:57] <Douch3> it will avoid havy traffic
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[15:58] <ojabun> how about your friends and family..did you tell them about this?
[15:58] <Douch3> yes
[15:58] <Douch3> but the say i should be in the funnyfarm
[15:58] <Douch3> stuff like that
[15:58] <ojabun> yea
[15:58] <Douch3> only my sister has doubts
[15:58] <Douch3> but then again she has 2 small kids
[15:59] <Douch3> so she thinks only about whats best for them
[15:59] <Douch3> the thing is
[15:59] <ojabun> it such a releave this place...to be able to share it,eventhough it doesn't take much off the stress...it sure is an releave to see others feel the same
[16:00] <Douch3> if you didnt start preparing in lets say at least 1999 your chances are small
[16:00] <Douch3> so yea its good to share about this
[16:00] <ojabun> you mean mentally?
[16:01] <Douch3> yea
[16:01] <ojabun> i been busy with this since 94
[16:01] <ojabun> i saw the world didn't grow on...there was nothing coming next
[16:02] <Douch3> i had a strong sence since 19997 but only read about planet x 2 weeks ago
[16:02] <Douch3> then it all added up
[16:03] <ojabun> i expected an outburst of violance,but ppl turned numb instead...and since 2001 or so...i started thinking that this might affect the planet also...and that indeed it comes truth what all the prophets say
[16:03] <ojabun> i found zeta couple months ago
[16:04] <ojabun> before zeta,i has already read nostradamus and gordon micheal scallion and some other books...they all said earth is gonna change major
[16:04] <Douch3> i been realy bussy lately comparing different prophecies
[16:05] <Douch3> the all say the same basicly
[16:05] <Douch3> oblect from outer space will be the end of mankind
[16:05] <ojabun> i found a quatrain of nostradamus that has the same date as nancy
[16:06] <ojabun> let me see
[16:07] <ojabun> 'when the sun is in the 20th degree of the bull,than the earth will tremble strong'...the big filled theatre will go down by it..the sky,the air and the earth,will become dark and clouded...than even the unbeliever will call god and the saints'
[16:08] <ojabun> that stardate...is at 11 of may
[16:08] <ojabun> every year though...so it doesn't say which year
[16:09] <Douch3> have to look specific for 2003
[16:09] <ojabun> the big filled theatre...with that he means our society,it's one big theatre...all ppl are acting
[16:09] <Douch3> if it gives much prove
[16:09] <Douch3> we can asume its comming
[16:10] <ojabun> well,there are more quatrains...though you can never tell the exact date
[16:11] <ojabun> but he is so presice with his describings...what better word,to call our society....'an theatre'
[16:11] <ojabun> ppl are not real..ppl are fake,they going along..without coming down at there real selves
[16:13] <ojabun> well..i will start collect some stuff to pack my backpack
[16:13] <ojabun> fishinghooks and stuff
[16:14] <ojabun> but if i really go...than i will burn all my bridges
[16:14] <ojabun> i will take a big loan and sell my stuff
[16:14] <ojabun> i wont plan it as an holiday
[16:15] <Douch3> seems like a solid plan
[16:15] <Douch3> check out the army dumpstores
[16:15] <ojabun> just an scary decision
[16:15] <Douch3> for clothing wich last real long
[16:15] <Douch3> yea i know
[16:16] <ojabun> i could rationalise it as having no life anyway..and might as well go see the world
[16:16] <Douch3> lol
[16:17] <ojabun> i keep thinking of australia,cause they speak english there anyway..and they are brave ppl
[16:18] <ojabun> better be around brave ppl than scared ppl
[16:18] <ojabun> and greenland looks good on all future maps also...but it's hard to get there i think
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[16:20] <Douch3> i have my hopes on germany or poland
[16:20] <Douch3> its close to holland
[16:20] <ojabun> yea..
[16:20] <Douch3> and if you move about 2 or 3 weeks before you can buit at least a small settlement
[16:20] <ojabun> easyer to rationalise
[16:21] <ojabun> just have your car packed...take a little drive,not much big operation at all
[16:21] <Douch3> exactly
[16:21] <ojabun> can still come back saying you where on holiday
[16:22] <Douch3> yea
[16:23] <ojabun> i'm on wellfare here
[16:23] <ojabun> i reckon i could take a month holiday
[16:23] <ojabun> but i'm not sure if that is time enough
[16:23] <Douch3> i dont have much money either\
[16:23] <Douch3> but pack only the stuff you can carry
[16:23] <Douch3> sell the rest
[16:24] <Douch3> or trade it for other goods
[16:24] <ojabun> i got about 2600 euro on my bank
[16:24] <Douch3> thats what im gonna do
[16:24] <ojabun> and i got a credit card
[16:24] <Douch3> be sure to spend you money wise
[16:24] <Douch3> boats and cars will probably be useless
[16:24] <Douch3> in the 1st few weeks
[16:25] <Douch3> once i get to poland i buy a horse
[16:25] <ojabun> well...i'm keeping my mind on this..if the pressure continues and the signs also...i will get more determend i quess
[16:25] <Douch3> cause thats what will probably be the new means of transportation
[16:25] <walt> get a back pack and about 2 weeks of food/water
[16:25] <Douch3> yep
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[16:25] <walt> for right now then
[16:25] <Douch3> cant do much more
[16:27] <ojabun> i got contactlenses...so imust buy some glasses
[16:27] <Douch3> yea
[16:27] <walt> good idea
[16:28] <Douch3> and get a spare one or two if you can afford it
[16:28] <qul> obany jumps in?
[16:29] <qul> ik zat net een tijdje op enn andere server..hehe
[16:29] <ojabun> i'm just trying to find an positive angle on this all...like it just giant change,but that it is normal...cause we are entering aquarius age..which will take an different vibe of my own counscious and the earth....and that i might see this...but other ppl not..cause they never been taught about the big picture
[16:29] <qul> :-)
[16:29] <Douch3> he nog een hollander :)
[16:29] <walt> there isnt too much positive in a 90% die off
[16:30] <walt> at them odds its mostly luck
[16:30] <qul> jA  
[16:30] <ojabun> the 10% might lay in beeing able to handle it positive...and to change yourself in all this real chaos,into an spiritual creature
[16:32] <ojabun> i think i know myself well enough..that i wont sit still waiting for tsunamies and earthquakes,knowing the signs are there..publicly
[16:32] <qul> Nou chris...vertel is..
[16:32] <qul> :-)
[16:32] <ojabun> so,i might as well leave soon
[16:32] <qul> :-p
[16:32] <qul> ;-)
[16:33] <qul> geloog je in de Planet x ?
[16:33] <qul> Ik ga zo weg hier dus..
[16:34] <qul> :-)
[16:34] <ojabun> you know what frieghtend me...uri geller was on the radio,and there was a caller...with an real integer voice saying he has some message from a spirit for uri....the message was:'uri..time is running out,you have to get real'
[16:35] <ojabun> with some other stuff uri was stuck about according to that spirit
[16:35] <ojabun> soething with a stone or stuff
[16:35] <qul> I have info..
[16:35] <qul> that the ...
[16:36] <ojabun> that frieghtend me,cause i know the only way to surfive this..is to get real...to get one with your pure selve...and no longer lean on anything,not even on the earth
[16:36] <qul> and it has als to do with ..
[16:36] <qul> ufo thing perhap Bob Lazar looked for
[16:37] <qul> that the aerthy things can be take away
[16:37] <qul> when their is enough of a medium energy  
[16:38] <ojabun> been busy since 94 to get real...was only thing left to do,there nothing left in society...and now i'm to late
[16:38] <qul> to puth it on the another energy level ...
[16:38] <qul> lets say 4th ensity
[16:38] <qul> that's what the issue is
[16:38] <qul> but it only can in total darkness
[16:38] <qul> because ..the
[16:38] <qul> 3gravity
[16:38] <qul> is distubed
[16:39] <Douch3> im off to bed guys
[16:39] <qul> by the sun
[16:39] <Douch3> talk to ya later
[16:39] <ojabun> cya douch
[16:39] <Douch3> bye :)
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[16:39] <qul> :-) bye
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[16:39] <qul> or so
[16:39] <qul> not all right ..
[16:39] <ojabun> this 4th density...that nothing more than the spirit level right?
[16:39] <qul> but this is   the most..
[16:40] <qul> reasonable ...i found till now
[16:40] <qul> :-d
[16:40] <qul> and what Nancy says ..abou the mental control..
[16:40] <qul> looks creditable
[16:41] <qul> because ...
[16:41] <qul> it  is the soul who project its state to the gene material
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[16:41] <qul> genesis ..its said in the bible
[16:42] <qul> genesis ->genes
[16:42] <qul> Wel they should bring forwar the captured disks
[16:42] <qul> i think
[16:42] <qul> no problem at all
[16:43] <qul> so get forward he discussion..about px and so on
[16:43] <ojabun> well,you need keep it in right perspective
[16:44] <ojabun> mental control..is just negative thinking
[16:44] <qul> your an ape
[16:44] <qul> that's is  
[16:44] <qul> not a bird
[16:45] <qul> and it isn't your anchestot that bird ..you fool
[16:45] <ojabun> this what i worry about...ppl going nuts when this poleshift happens
[16:45] <qul> :-)
[16:45] <ojabun> better find a spot where native ppl live..not western ppl
[16:45] <qul> i FLIP  
[16:45] <qul> ALMOST EVERY SECOND THAT IS TRUE
[16:45] <qul> ;-)
[16:46] <qul> :-)
[16:46] <qul> Are you a vegetarian ? sojabean?
[16:47] <qul> :-d
[16:48] <qul> Do you believe an Elephant is you anchestor or so ?
[16:48] <qul> that sort of people i wanna see soon takean away from earth
[16:49] <qul> no respect for paranormal people and so on..
[16:49] <qul> they believe the birds ants, bugs are their anchestor..!!!!
[16:50] <qul> my boy ..the mj12 has not done thei work!!!!!!
[16:50] <qul> well , hunt them down
[16:50] <qul> and bring them to justice
[16:50] <ojabun> how old are you?
[16:51] <qul> it's not allowed to lie..you see
[16:51] <qul> :-p
[16:51] <qul> :-)
[16:52] <qul> read genises and so  on..
[16:52] <qul> The bible will tell you a lot..
[16:53] <qul> And it is stil an onner to have Jesus here
[16:53] <qul> right online
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[16:53] <Nol> well
[16:54] <Nol> folks i might leave soon..
[16:54] <Nol> Keep in mind that Nol ..
[16:55] <Nol> is your spiritual leader
[16:55] <Nol> the best!
[16:55] <z> the best is winamp 2.xx =P
[16:55] <Nol> ok?
[16:55] <Nol> is that music from hell?
[16:55] <Nol> haha
[16:56] <Nol> ;-)
[16:56] <Nol> :-)
[16:56] <Nol> I am banned on zetatalk..like
[16:56] <Nol> zetatalk said it can become a banned message
[16:57] <Nol> so am i ...in a way
[16:57] <Nol> So ..keep in mind that i can't appear their soon
[16:58] <Nol> Nol ...that's the futre..
[16:58] <Nol> I did a lot of work..
[16:58] <Nol> to keep people away from the schoool system
[16:58] <Nol> and money system
[16:59] <Nol> at a way yourself don't get problems with it
[16:59] <Nol> at least  i hope
[16:59] <Nol> Jesus already did  
[16:59] <Nol>  /was against the money (tollenaars)
[17:00] <Nol> Laten we hopen dat Jomanda in de armen wordt gesloten van de gehele Nderlandese  
[17:00] <Nol> BEVOLKING  
[17:01] <ojabun> wat zegt jomanda over de poolverplaatsing?
[17:01] <Nol> zodat de verzekeraars en al dat slechte volk ..ineenkrinmpen  
[17:01] <Nol> dat zal ze leren om een echt mens te worden ..amen!!!!
[17:02] <Nol> ik weet het niet echt
[17:02] <ojabun> klingt jomanda nog normaal op de radio..heb haar al tijd niet meer gehoord
[17:03] <Nol> Nou dat rot volk die hun baan proberen te behouden met het ophouden van de Darwin tHEORY
[17:03] <Nol> DIE MOETEN WE ALS EERSTE BERECHTEN
[17:04] <Nol> Er is nu ook eebn uitspraak van de rechtbak
[17:04] <Nol> daar zullen ze zich toch aan moeten conformeren..
[17:04] <Nol> dood aan de ongelovigen!!!!
[17:05] <Nol> daar blijven we maar last van hebben snap je?
[17:05] <Nol> Kijk ..
[17:05] <Nol> die willen wel die Darwin theory ophouden natuurlijk..
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[17:05] <Nol> voor hun eigen gemak
[17:06] <agentY> wtf
[17:06] <agentY> :)
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[17:06] <Nol> Nee , we moeten het eerder zoeken in de richting van de Islam..snap je?
[17:07] <Nol> Die Darwin mensen blijven maar liegen ..ten kostte van ons ..
[17:07] <Nol> snap je ..
[17:07] <Nol> dat moet Justitieel aangepakt worden!!!!
[17:07] <Nol> dat is gewoonweg smaad!!!!!
[17:08] <Nol> Ik hoop dat je ons ook daarmee gaat helpen ..
[17:08] <Nol> en dus de wereld
[17:09] <Nol> Nou?
[17:12] <Nol> Kijk ..
[17:13] <Nol> de bujbel heeft het dus ook vooral over onverschillig heid
[17:13] <Nol> kijk..
[17:13] <Nol> vandaar het martelaarschap
[17:13] <Nol> zoals ..
[17:14] <Nol> Jomanda..Pim Fortuyn
[17:14] <Nol> snap je?
[17:15] <Nol> Dat rot volk wat nu al zolang heeft geregeert ..
[17:15] <Nol> is absoluut  
[17:15] <Nol> niet opgewassen tegen hogen zielen  
[17:15] <Nol> snap je?
[17:15] <Nol> en dan niet over taal fouten beginen
[17:16] <Nol> dat is nu eenmaal hun afstemming..
[17:16] <Nol> laten we hopen dat deze zielen zullen instemmen met een vtroegtijdige dood
[17:17] <Nol> zodat ik (Nolly )geen last meer van ze zal hebben
[17:17] <Nol> amen
[17:17] <Nol> regenten behoren nu eenmaal tot de hel
[17:18] <Nol> dat vinden ze zelf ook helemaal geen hel  
[17:18] <Nol> denk ik
[17:18] <Nol> zo dat blijft altijd een stukje strijd goed /kwaad
[17:19] <Nol> Kijk ik vindt:
[17:20] <Nol> dat de regering behoort op te komen voor paranormaal begaafde mensen
[17:20] <Nol> en het afstraffen van smaad
[17:20] <Nol> snap je?
[17:21] <Nol> Iets van een iquisitei opnieuw instellen is misschien heleamaal niet zo gek
[17:21] <Nol> Om daarmee de zwakken te helpen
[17:21] <Nol> Snap je?
[17:23] <Nol> Laten we hopen dat Nolly een groot leide wordt ..
[17:23] <Nol> dan zal alles recht komen ..
[17:23] <Nol> amen
[17:24] <Nol> Nolly for President !!!!!
[17:24] <Nol> horay !
[17:24] <Nol> horay !
[17:24] <Nol> ;-)
[17:24] <Nol> :-S
[17:24] <Nol> Kijk ..
[17:25] <Nol> dan kunnen we ook seriuese
[17:25] <Nol> gesprekekn
[17:25] <Nol> beginen
[17:25] <Nol> met Islamitische landen ..snap je?
[17:26] <Nol> Kijk een wat geloviger Nederland .kan heust geen kwaad ..snap je?
[17:26] <Nol> En dan heb ik het niet over PJ Balkenelende
[17:27] <Nol> Die heppt mij niet ..
[17:27] <Nol> daar heb ik tot dusver niks van vernomen..
[17:27] <Nol> Kijk Pim zei het al:
[17:27] <Nol> U bent ook mijn Minister President!!!!
[17:28] <Nol> En laat ze dat nou is voor Jomanda doen
[17:28] <Nol> Laten we daarom hopen dat ..
[17:29] <Nol> hij snel zal opkomen voor ons ..
[17:29] <Nol> en een goed mens wordt ..amen
[17:29] <Nol> Denk dit alles nog is rustig na...
[17:30] <Nol> En vertrouw niet teveel op die politicie...
[17:30] <Nol> die doen niet zoveel ..voorzover ik het heb gezien
[17:30] <Nol> nou de groenten (als vegetarier)
[17:31] <Nol> slaap lekker..en de mzzl
[17:31] <Nol> bye
[17:31] <Nol> beye :-d
[17:31] <Nol> :-d
[17:31] <Nol> :-)
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[17:52] <Douch3> hi
[18:03] <ojabun> thougt you went to sleep
[18:07] <Douch3> cant sleep
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[18:15] <ojabun> i read an intervieuw with Robin Williams,he was asked as last question:'you have any advice for the new youth?'...he said:'Yes...get an small riffle,fit for hunting...and losta..lotsa knowledge,cause it is gonna be..like the chinese say..interesting times'
[18:16] <Douch3> were did you find it?
[18:21] <ojabun> some intervieuw in a magazine
[18:21] <ojabun> i thought...crist,even robin williams is seeing it
[18:21] <ojabun> it scared me
[18:22] <walt> seeing what?
[18:23] <ojabun> seeing that we're heading for chaotic changes
[18:25] <walt> or he was being his typical flippant self
[18:25] <Douch3> hehe
[18:25] <Douch3> could be walt
[18:25] <Douch3> whats your opinion on it all?
[18:25] <Douch3> havent heard it yet :)
[18:25] <walt> if you look for a conspiracy, you will always find one
[18:26] <walt> Im a skeptic
[18:26] <walt> : )
[18:26] <walt> give me proof
[18:26] <walt> not feelings
[18:27] <ojabun> you think spirits exist?
[18:27] <ojabun> walt
[18:27] <walt> I dont know if they do or dont
[18:28] <walt> i dont believe they do
[18:28] <walt> but thats my belief
[18:28] <ojabun> you wont ever find prove for them...cause to know they exist,you need to experience it
[18:28] <walt> you obviously belif they do
[18:28] <walt> thats your belief
[18:28] <ojabun> you need to experience...and by that,'know that you know'
[18:29] <ojabun> i've experienced them
[18:29] <walt> ok
[18:29] <ojabun> but not before i found the ground in myself
[18:29] <ojabun> from there on...i know how to know
[18:30] <ojabun> and with this poleshift...i go with what i feel,i feel makind sliding off mainly....and reading the prophets and all,made me think it might fit into with my feelings
[18:30] <ojabun> mankind
[18:32] <walt> but you are taking everything you see and fitting it into your belief
[18:33] <walt> of course it going to fit in with your feelings
[18:34] <Douch3> i disagree with that walt
[18:34] <Douch3> see the thing is
[18:34] <Douch3> what we see in the world today
[18:34] <Douch3> is exactly how many described it would be
[18:34] <walt> who?
[18:34] <Douch3> hundreds and even thousands of years ago
[18:35] <Douch3> many prophets
[18:35] <Douch3> many scientists
[18:35] <walt> the bible can be read anyway you want to
[18:35] <walt> so can Nostra
[18:35] <Douch3> no it cant
[18:35] <Douch3> the bible can only be read in one way
[18:35] <walt> bullshit, thats why there 40,000 sects of christianity
[18:35] <Douch3> it simply says mankind will die out
[18:35] <Douch3> just like the dinos
[18:35] <walt> each one saying the others are wrong
[18:36] <Douch3> funny but thats also what the bible says
[18:36] <walt> and what Nostra batting average?
[18:36] <Douch3> they will be divided :)
[18:36] <walt> how about Cayce
[18:36] <Douch3> same story
[18:36] <Douch3> jean dixon
[18:37] <walt> they all made vague prophecies
[18:37] <Douch3> mother shipton
[18:37] <Douch3> nostradamus
[18:37] <z> i heard nostradamus was very precise man..he says stuff like'cause mankind believed to hard in the good..they will all go down,the big filled theatre will drown'
[18:37] <walt> which means what?
[18:37] <Douch3> they all say the end will involved comets or other space objects
[18:38] <ojabun> yea z,nostra is more precise than your tomorrow newspaper
[18:38] <walt> not one of them said the world will end on this day in this year
[18:38] <ojabun> yea...but that end is in 3600 or so...than the earth will really be destroied
[18:39] <Douch3> true
[18:39] <walt> why 3600 trs
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[18:39] <Douch3> why?
[18:39] <walt> where did you get that number?
[18:39] <Douch3> hmm let me see
[18:39] <ojabun> they all promise 1000 year paradice before
[18:39] <walt> no they dont
[18:39] <Douch3> probably cause thats how long it takes to complete its orbit i guess
[18:39] <ojabun> i got it from nostra...might also be 3800..somewhere around 3500
[18:39] <walt> what orbit?
[18:40] <ojabun> than..the earth really be destroied...and mankind has to leave into space
[18:41] <Douch3> The good news is that odds are you won't live long
[18:41] <ojabun> we didn't make it,to create an infinitive balanse on earth....and that was determend in these decades,i read that 1998 was the expiring date to create everlasting paradice
[18:42] <walt> oppss kind of late isnt it?
[18:42] <walt> 98 was 3 yrs ago
[18:42] <Douch3> jesus is the key to it all
[18:42] <Douch3> thats what the bible says
[18:42] <ojabun> jesus started it all
[18:42] <Douch3> buy giving his life he bought back mankind from satan
[18:43] <walt> if you follow the bible I guess it is
[18:43] <ojabun> he gave us an path..from there on,it eather doom or paradice
[18:43] <Douch3> it does make sence
[18:43] <Douch3> if you got a minute
[18:43] <Douch3> see the thing is
[18:43] <Douch3> nobody ever saw god
[18:43] <Douch3> but many asume he's there
[18:44] <Douch3> the aincient people who called this planet nibiru
[18:44] <Douch3> believed that this red planet was actualy populated
[18:44] <Douch3> and these beings were called the anunaki
[18:44] <Douch3> wich were the gods of the nuberians
[18:45] <Douch3> now the bible speaks of god in a similar way
[18:45] <Douch3> it says eventualy god comes back to destroy his world
[18:46] <Douch3> but before that all christians and people who accepted jesus as the one and only
[18:46] <walt> like I said , you can make the story fit whichever way you want
[18:46] <Douch3> what if this planet acyualy has people on it
[18:46] <ojabun> no..there an 3d reality to it also
[18:47] <Douch3> and what if they come to collect all the evolved people who are in harmony
[18:47] <Douch3> with themselves and the rules of the universe
[18:47] <Douch3> the bible sais god made all for his purpose
[18:47] <walt> what if they come to eat us??
[18:47] <Douch3> even the infidels, he made them for judgement day
[18:48] <ojabun> god is the creator...just an word for the spiritforce...and this force is merely the creative law of beeing something in nothing....which follows exact laws,you cross these laws...than you will punish yourself
[18:48] <walt> what if they dont come at all?
[18:48] <Douch3> how could these aincent folks know more about our solar system 6000 years ago
[18:49] <ojabun> i can explain all mombo jumbo into scientific logic facts
[18:49] <Douch3> things nasa didnt even now till today
[18:49] <Douch3> theres a lot out there
[18:49] <walt> the ones that said the world was flat?
[18:50] <Douch3> most of it is kept from us by our gouverments cause we simply cant deal with it mentaly
[18:50] <ojabun> cause beeing follows an path of cause and effect...and you can see this path,by taking distance from beeing..and see things on spirit level...see the cause and effect of things
[18:50] <walt> the ones that said there were 12 planets in our system?
[18:50] <Douch3> yes
[18:50] <Douch3> and they didnt claim the world was flat
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[18:51] <Douch3> they knew exactly were they were in the universe
[18:51] <Douch3> go figure
[18:51] <walt> well there are only 9 planets in out system
[18:51] <walt> 10 if you count Quaror
[18:51] <Douch3> acourding to nasa there are
[18:51] <walt> 11 if you count PX
[18:51] <walt> still one short
[18:51] <Douch3> but the old nuberians counted our sun and moon aswell
[18:51] <walt> sumerians
[18:52] <Douch3> same deal
[18:52] <Douch3> sumos nubos
[18:52] <walt> what they counted the sun and moon as a planet?
[18:52] <Douch3> they knew
[18:52] <walt> they didnt know the sun was a star?
[18:52] <ojabun> was that before atlantis?
[18:52] <walt> and the moon was a moon?
[18:52] <walt> but they did know all the other planets??
[18:53] <Douch3> they knew about everything there is to know about our solar system
[18:53] <ojabun> i get confused when i hear about all the civilisation stories before us..some say we're planted here by aliens and stuff...some say there been life on mars before us
[18:53] <walt> I think you have 20th century minds trying to inperpret ancient history
[18:54] <walt> we dont know what those people thought
[18:54] <walt> all we have is some drawings and a few scraps of writings
[18:54] <Douch3> true
[18:54] <walt> and yet now all of a sudden we know everything about them
[18:55] <Douch3> fact still remains it is discribed in many cultures
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[18:55] <walt> because we think we know what they were trying to convet
[18:55] <Douch3> its been called nibiru,raja sun, great star,planet x
[18:55] <Douch3> it has lots of names in lots of cultures
[18:56] <ojabun> i heard that atlantis got detroied cause the ppl got vain about there power..they used there power for wrong stuff...and so they died out,i heard they where reincarnated as dolfins,to not have much power anymore...or reincarnated into usa ppl..cause usa resembles atlantis....it goes all way to wild for me,reading about ppl telling about old civilisations
[18:56] <Douch3> when you think about it can be mind bogling
[18:57] <ojabun> indeed..
[18:57] <Douch3> your mind simply cant deal with the fact we are being held stupid till they cant keep it silent anymore
[18:57] <ojabun> you think goverment knows?
[18:57] <walt> "they"...ah yes the mysterious "they"
[18:57] <Douch3> im not saying they do
[18:58] <Douch3> but if they did
[18:58] <ojabun> i think goverment is just as ignorant as the random civilian
[18:58] <Douch3> i know why they dont say anything
[18:58] <Douch3> think of the panic and chaos
[18:58] <ojabun> that's for sure
[18:58] <Douch3> well
[18:58] <Douch3> the thing in
[18:58] <Douch3> what if they knew
[18:59] <Douch3> and staged an attack
[18:59] <Douch3> gives them a reason to mobilize the army to irak
[18:59] <Douch3> were weapons are being made
[18:59] <Douch3> so they get over there
[18:59] <Douch3> and take all the oilfields after X has passed
[18:59] <ojabun> bush knew the 9-11 was gonna happen...he gotten many warnings from ppl,but it was an new thing..and he wont dare make fool of himself evacuation all high buildings...he did though go visit a school or something at that day..far away from whitehouse to be safe
[19:00] <ojabun> nah,no way..you over your head now
[19:00] <ojabun> that's not logical
[19:00] <Douch3> all im saying is there are many theories
[19:00] <walt> when you look for a conspiracy, you will find one
[19:01] <ojabun> neither bush or blair thinks px is real
[19:01] <Douch3> nasa does
[19:01] <Douch3> it was discovered in 1983
[19:02] <ojabun> there might be ppl knowing..inside goverment,but all goverment will do...is secure some sites to run too,just to be sure...but i bet they keep this poleshift as open an idear as the general public
[19:02] <ojabun> it was?
[19:02] <ojabun> you seen a publication of it?
[19:02] <walt> no it wasnt
[19:03] <ojabun> i don't care what anyone says really...i go with what i feel
[19:03] <walt> it was thought to be there by erratic behavior in some of the outer planets
[19:03] <walt> which was later disproven
[19:03] <ojabun> i feel i'm sliding off...day by day
[19:03] <walt> probably by "them"
[19:04] <walt> to cover it up
[19:04] <walt> OJA you are
[19:04] <walt> this conspiracy crap will skew your brain
[19:04] <ojabun> but you mean..just me
[19:04] <ojabun> heh
[19:05] <walt> pretty soon everything will begin to look like a conspiracy
[19:05] <ojabun> nah,i discovered major shit
[19:05] <ojabun> oh man..i cut my hand off for that to be truth
[19:05] <ojabun> my arm even
[19:05] <ojabun> my arm and two legs
[19:05] <Douch3> it was discovered in 1983 and now that its closer they called it 2001xk something
[19:06] <ojabun> no,i would dy for it to be untrue
[19:06] <walt> Who does?
[19:06] <Douch3> nasa
[19:06] <walt> give me a site
[19:06] <ojabun> what they say about it..did they determen it's path?
[19:07] <Douch3> http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword26c.htm
[19:07] <walt> no..no give me a site
[19:07] <ojabun> ah yes,but that not a reliable site
[19:07] <Douch3> lol
[19:07] <ojabun> they show pics of px also
[19:08] <ojabun> some dust in the galaxy it looks like
[19:08] <ojabun> and nancy says there 198 particles inside an elektron
[19:08] <ojabun> all nancy her science is total crap
[19:08] <ojabun> yet,i still say she is real
[19:09] <Douch3> its the real thing walt
[19:09] <Douch3> it even has a link to the original artikel
[19:09] <ojabun> i can tell nancy has met aliens
[19:09] <Douch3> as posted on the frontpage of the washington post
[19:11] <Douch3> this is what the book of revelations says about the end of mankind
[19:11] <walt> odd they dont have links to the later rebuttal???
[19:12] <Douch3> And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, and she is shaken of a mighty wind.
[19:12] <Douch3> And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
[19:12] <Douch3> And the kinds of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
[19:12] <ojabun> but,that was 1983...shoudn't there be pics or reports by now,that this thing is getting at us?
[19:13] <Douch3> let me have a look
[19:13] <walt> http://www.planet-x.150m.com/iras.html
[19:13] <ojabun> yea..bible has truth in it
[19:14] <ojabun> but there are plenty independend ppl with giant telescopes,that would have by long have shouted about some comet heading at us
[19:14] <ojabun> i believe the earth will flip...cause mankind is making it so
[19:14] <ojabun> i stand by that
[19:14] <Douch3> well it apears it can only be seen since a few weeks
[19:15] <Douch3> by amateur astronomers that is
[19:15] <Douch3> well i read somewhere that planet x has a lot of moons
[19:15] <walt> its all a conspiracy
[19:15] <Douch3> and dust hanging aroud it
[19:16] <walt> "they" are covering it all up
[19:16] <Douch3> And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
[19:16] <Douch3> could these seven heads be seven moons?
[19:17] <ojabun> nah walt...you pay attension,and you can see things are changing...and with the bit reason,you can figure that these changes are not going to be smooth
[19:17] <ojabun> px or no px
[19:17] <walt> how about a story about something someone saw while doing s'rooms??
[19:17] <Douch3> like i said before
[19:17] <Douch3> if god dont destroy us
[19:17] <Douch3> we will do it ourselves
[19:17] <ojabun> exactly
[19:18] <ojabun> i totally agree on that
[19:18] <ojabun> THAT..is commen sense
[19:19] <Douch3> ,a,oths on discovery now :)
[19:19] <Douch3> sorry mamoths
[19:19] <Douch3> it seems they had some tropical foods in their stomachs when they dig them up out of the permafrost
[19:19] <ojabun> and my sense aind much more..than beeing able to tell when a fight is about to start standing a a bar
[19:20] <Douch3> wich indicates a quite instant freeze
[19:20] <Douch3> could this be due to a poleshift?
[19:20] <walt> DOUCH were do you get all this BS from
[19:20] <walt> they didnt have "tropical" vegetation in their mouths
[19:20] <Douch3> news
[19:20] <Douch3> encyclopedia
[19:20] <ojabun> can be sure of one thing,that earth have looked total different before..with whole different vibes
[19:21] <Douch3> internet
[19:21] <z> rumour has it internet is fast up there
[19:21] <Douch3> private research
[19:21] <walt> where would they have gotten tropical vegetation from???
[19:21] <Douch3> thats the interesting question
[19:21] <Douch3> they dont know
[19:22] <walt> since #1 they lived on the tundras of northern europe and NA
[19:22] <Douch3> yes
[19:22] <ojabun> they say dinasour died out of a comet,i say that is crap..i think it cause earth continued into different vibe...one thicker,with bigger gravity...that coudn't support wait of giants
[19:22] <walt> so how did they get tropical vegetation?
[19:22] <Douch3> but what if that part of that continent was in another position from the pole than it is today
[19:23] <walt> DOUCH you missed the point
[19:23] <Douch3> wich is?
[19:23] <walt> mammoths lived on the northern tundras
[19:23] <Douch3> i know
[19:23] <walt> there is no tropical vetetation there at all
[19:23] <Douch3> nope
[19:23] <Douch3> but
[19:24] <walt> they were found with tundra vegetation
[19:24] <Douch3> if that continent was in another position before a prior shift
[19:24] <Douch3> the vegitation would also be diferent dont you think
[19:24] <walt> http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/mammals/mammoth/index.shtml
[19:24] <ojabun> it don't need a poleshift for that...just different climat can be caused by vegitation itself....europe used to be all forrest
[19:25] <walt> but DOUCH what were the mammoths doing in a tropical area??
[19:25] <ojabun> different density
[19:25] <walt> http://exn.ca/Mammoth/FrozenMammoths.cfm
[19:25] <ojabun> we have had iceage and hot age..all without poles shifting
[19:25] <Douch3> were does it say they found tundra foods?
[19:26] <Douch3> it only says it eats plants
[19:26] <Douch3> wich i pretty much figured out myself
[19:28] <ojabun> nancy info cannot be trusted
[19:28] <ojabun> nancy can only be used for idears on how to surfive a shift
[19:28] <ojabun> which she gives very great idears to
[19:29] <ojabun> at least..that's how ic her
[19:29] <walt> read something besides the fringer sites
[19:29] <Douch3> http://www.planetx2003.com/assets/images/medwg.jpg
[19:30] <ojabun> i rate nostradmus the highest actually
[19:30] <ojabun> benieth my own feelings
[19:30] <Douch3> http://www.planetx2003.com/html/px01.html
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[19:31] <Douch3> There are no so called ice ages. Earth's crust slips over its molten core periodically as Planet X passes.
[19:32] <ojabun> i don't need all that info really..i go buy with what i feel
[19:32] <Douch3> yea so do i
[19:32] <ojabun> every 3600 years?
[19:32] <Douch3> but for the people who want to read it over and over
[19:32] <Douch3> only from different sources
[19:32] <ojabun> but it makes no sense...every 3600 years
[19:33] <ojabun> don't get me wrong...i feel this shift coming
[19:33] <ojabun> px or not
[19:33] <Douch3> same here
[19:33] <Douch3> we are definatly on the way to something big
[19:34] <ojabun> but that it comes around every 3600 years changing our axis...it don't match with any info,niether hstorical or science...or my commen sense
[19:34] <ojabun> yea...exactly
[19:34] <ojabun> exactly
[19:34] <ojabun> that's what noone can deny
[19:35] <ojabun> i actually be glad if it is this px...cause it would be an natural effend
[19:35] <ojabun> and not the sin of mankind
[19:36] <Douch3> depends on how you see it
[19:36] <ojabun> means i am not quilty
[19:36] <Douch3> it could still be the work of god
[19:36] <ojabun> yea..i thought about that
[19:36] <Douch3> man just calls it gass and dust
[19:37] <ojabun> that our exisphere...our collective counscious...even influances planets around us
[19:37] <Douch3> responsible for creating the universe with a big bang
[19:37] <Douch3> but fails to explain were this dust and gas comes from
[19:37] <ojabun> nah..anything that exists is aware
[19:37] <ojabun> has feelings
[19:38] <ojabun> just different levels of beeings
[19:38] <ojabun> a planet feels different than humans
[19:38] <ojabun> but it feels
[19:39] <ojabun> it has no mouth to speak...but it just might cause earthquakes or flip over..any time it feels dishonered
[19:39] <Douch3> could be
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[19:39] <Douch3> never tought about it that way
[19:40] <ojabun> i do..i keep all options open
[19:40] &l